I Should Have Done This Years Ago
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2021
- I highly recommend calling your local state police office and checking your state specific laws on transporting flammable liquids. I called the Pennsylvania state police prior to shooting this video and confirmed everything I did was legal in the state of Pennsylvania for a homeowner. There is a different set of rules that apply if you are in business.
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you need to vent the barrel to keep from sucking it flat. I did the same thing on my diesel fuel and without venting the barrel it sucked the barrel flat.
@@eileencampbell8193 he mentioned this in the video.
@@shanereynolds5971 sorry I did not catch that
Gasoline weighs 6.4 pounds per gallon. Desiel weighs 7.3 pounds per gallon.
Many years ago a plumber gave me a tip when using channel locks. You'll find when you use them in one direction they are trying to close and are easy to hold on too. When you use them in the opposite direction they are trying to open and you have to squeeze them harder making tightening/loosing things harder.
They will leak probably
Tracy, that’s just stupid. You don’t have a clue..
I was talking about the way the dude was using the channel locks in the vid sorry not you comment
It hurts to watch someone using the channel locks the wrong way. LOL I was going to make a comment about it but thought I would scroll down. I was sure someone else caught it too. But I get his point about not having to use 5 gallon cans. Pain in the butt.
Yes channel locks are directional for use. I use them daily and you will never get the grip on fittings and pipe using them backwards that you do going forward. Knipex are some of best out there. They grab so good you don't even have to squeeze the handles once they bite in.
At the gas station they have a sign saying to put gas cans on the ground. Since a truck has rubber tires you can get a voltage difference between the gas cans and the nozzle of the gas pump. You might consider bringing with you a 10’ length of braided wire that has a large alligator clip on each end, like a battery jumper cable. Place the clamp on the 55 gal. Barrel first then a ground point near the pump.
Just my 2-cents!
Grounding and bonding for static electricity is an important consideration.
You can ground the truck with a piece of chain under the bed.
Adam....this is a VERY good tip....like ASAP!!
What you say is true, but intended for plastic gas cans which tend to build static easily. Think about it, after all, your car has rubber tires and you fill it all the time. I think it will be just fine with the metal drums.
@@moonbounce When you touch the nozzle with the filler neck that electric potential difference is met. so between the pump and vehicle you're good. between the rim of the metal drum and nozzle you'd also have the same potential difference when you meet those two - in any case being on the same ground plane as the truck's bed/chassis and the IBC and the 55 gallon drums would be a good thing. Although I've never seen it I've heard tales of people who exit their vehicle and don't touch the vehicle until they place the nozzle into the tank and with their static discharge cause a fire (the story always involves some woman wearing nylons and a wool skirt) the same stories after cellphones were starting to become popular - I've never seen camera footage of that happening oddly enough. I can see how keying up a mobile radio at a full 5 watts with an antenna that's in bad shape might be an issue but again it just seems to point to use of common sense....
I have similar set up. Two 50 gallon drums in a designated fuel shed with fill-rite pumps. fill-rite pump I have is from my dad which is over 25 years old they are solid machines! ONE TIP is put a jig of some sort to prevent the pump from rocking back and fourth because eventually it will crack the bung ( ive done it before over time ) a piece of metal or something to secure the pump from rocking will prevent fatiguing the metal in the barrel.
Just the ability not to have to lift five gallons of fuel to chest height and then hold it steady while it trickles into the tank is absolutely wonderful! Great video Adam, thumbs up.
If you get the cans with the vent on the back it takes 1/5 of the time to empty to can.
hell, even just punch a hole in the other end and plug it with chewing gum when you're done, amazing to me that people would actually stand there and let their can glug.
@@Bobo-ox7fj I think that's an inherent trait in a lot of folks "who don't want to break it more". The inability to see that there is a problem and afraid make holes, or cuts, or bends in something to fix the problem. I'm not a gum chewer so I sharpened a dowl and used it on a tank that I found.
@@danthebraaperI poked a hole with a nail. Leave the nail in for storage and remove for use. Fuel flies out of it!
Adam, consider using 1/2 an IBC tank for secondary containment. It will fit correctly in the tote cage and save you from a spill.
Great fast project. Awesome as usual!
I did this last year for my diesel. Best decision ever. Recommend finding an ethanol-free station for gasoline.
For safety reasons you should consider building you a fueling station somewhere on your property away from your home and garage. Being you have a saw mill and lots of room. I don't think I would store that much fuel that close to the shop or house. 7 gallons of ⛽ gas going up at once equals a stick of dynamite when it goes all at once. When I was a student at military demolition 🏫 school. They would bring us 55 gallon drums of expired ⛽ gas out of the supply chain to dispose of with a blasting cap. Tremendous explosive power. If accidently went off next to your home or shop...it would be a burning 🔥flat mess. Do yourself a favor for safety sakes and move it out away from folks and property. Cant go wrong that way.✌
Agreed. My home fuel station is an 8x10 building well out from anything else. If it goes, that's ALL that goes.
I agree: it would probably be safer to have this installation at the new position of your sawmill, as most of the stuff you will be needing it for would be there, or can get there easily.
I agree this would be safer. I'd hate to see you blow up your nice shop and house.
These comments are important but even more important is… will your homeowners insurance cover you if you have a “normal” fire and it has a chance of or was being compounded by the fuel storage issues here. They could refuse to pay full coverage under these conditions. Even the fire department may have rules on fuel storage volumes and placement. Best to check.
@@robertwazniak9495 Opens up a whole can of worms for sure...especially if you put your life on public display on utube and facebook...never understood why people do it ? An example, people put on facebook..." Hey we are going on vacation to the mountains ⛰ for two weeks." Then they come back home in a couple of weeks to an empty house. Crooks no where to be found. Happens all the time. Unfortunately, that's the world we are living in. Sad but true. Don't tell the whole world your business folks...if you do expect anything...at anytime.
Great idea 💡But one big thing you may not know is that 55 gallon drums are not ment for fuel transport. If Dot. see's you transporting them like this, I hope they don't sight you a violation 🤔 it will be a very costly mistake. If I were you, call your local Dot. weight scales and ask for a courtesy inspection. Before you fill them up, take them to the weigh scale inspection to get there opinion on possible violations! don't underestimate grounding those drums and move them to the far side of your garage, away from the wood stove. Keep up the good work my friend 👍
I appreciate the way you explain things. You keep it clear and concise.
Please remember that a plastic bed liner will prevent your IBC and drums from grounding properly. Maybe run a ground strap from the IBC to your truck bed.
I believe that is one of the best ideas I have seen in some time... thanks
I grew up in rural Indiana and we had a 300 gallon underground fuel storage tank on the property with a powered pump. It was easy to fill the tractor and the cars. I do wish we would have had two tanks; one each for diesel and gasoline but we stored only gas. We didn't have a farm so we had a gas engine in the tractor. Less efficient using a gasoline powered tractor but you can't have it all. 😁 We'd have the fuel delivered usually every 8 weeks (ish).
The reason Gas ( ~6.3 pounds/gal), Diesel (~7.1 pounds/gal) and Oil (~ 7.2 pounds/gal) float on the surface of water is because there weight is less than Water (~8.34 pounds/gal).
So 346.5lb for 55 gal of gas, 390.5lb for 55 gal of diesel. 737lb for the liquid in the 2 drums. Drums are about 33lb (some a little more or less) so there's 66lb. Then there's the pump setups. That pump is listed at 12.35lb - so 24.7, call it 25lb of pumps, and the filter / pipe - call it 10lb for both if you're ok with that estimation. Then there's the IBC tote I can't imagine that being over 10lb with the 2 ratchet straps, they're pretty light.
So 848lb. He used water weight probably knowing fuel is lighter, used that difference as a fudge factor and called it 800lb "or so". Turns out he was pretty close huh?
@@notsure7874 He said he did not know. It was an informational post not a smart as$ post.
Glad to see you get it out of the garage, looks safe now.👍
Great idea, you work hard enough anything to make it easier is blessing. For Venting why not put a selection of piping that create a U shaped so the open end is pointing down, incorporate a valve. Open the valve for venting and since it pointing down with the valve shut most of the time, there is little chance of moisture getting in. Guess you might have to keep a couple of Jerry Cans around to bring to the bush with you unless you can make a smaller version that is more portable for when you require refuelling in the bush. Nice job love how you keep it simple. 😊👍👍👍
Yes, great video. It got my thinking. I had planned on mounting a permanent tank in the back of my truck but I didn't like the idea of how that would effect the use of the bed of my truck. So, I like the IBC tote idea but now think I will weld a bottom to the tank to allow pick up with forks. I like an electrical transfer pump versus hand pumping though. So, I need to think that out a little more. Yah, I don't like the 5 gallon cans either.
Big Thumbs Up on this one. I hate going to the local gas station with my five plastic 5-gallon cans - but I can’t store gas here in a 55-gallon drum due to local ordinances. Glad you can do so. Great setup!
We deal with gas cans just for cutting grass at 4 houses, & they're sooooo aggravating!! I totally understand your excitement!! Congrats 👏
White teflon for water & air. Yellow tape for hydro carbon, gas. oil ,diesel, nat gas. Ground wire on gas barrel to vehicle.
I hear you brother!! 👍👍👍😎🇨🇱 your going to love it!
Outstanding idea!
Thanks for showing the “how too”!
I think it’s a great idea. Well done. I was thinking about doing it myself and then I realized with your tractor you have an easy way of getting the cans out of your pick up truck. My days of lifting 55 gallon full drums are over. Not that I could ever do it to begin with. LOL.
Nice Video! I just purchased a 100 gal fuel storage tank from an estate sale from a neighbor. I would suggest watching the local auctions, from farmers/retired farmers. Most companies around me who deliver fuel to my home will only deliver a minimum of 100 Gal. I also only run recreational fuel for my deliveries which contain no ethanol, which I feel is better for my equipment. I do still have a 55 Gal drum for diesel for my tractor. I had 55 Gal drums but in the long run I think you will eventually want to upgrade to a larger storage tank as you also save money on the more you buy the cheaper it is.
You've spoiled us with the pond build. It's only been 2 days and I'm already jonesing for a new post.
New one coming tomorrow lol
Should work well. I love my 35 gallon diesel caddy. I haven’t made one for gas, as the ethanol blend deteriorates quickly. The additive is a smart move.
Something to consider: in Aviation it’s considered a best practice to always leave the plane fuel tanks full so condensation does not build up in the tanks. This is a great project and build, however I would be cautious leaving them “unfull” for more than a few months.
Nice job! I have a feeling quite a few people will be following your lead!
It's neat to see the evolution of your homestead via the channel. The good news is you'll never run out of things to do on a property that size. LOL. Cheers!
Great idea! Im thinking of doing this myself.
Nice job, you might think about a vent to release pressure, with heating and cooling, they need to be able to vent the expanding air in the tanks. Cheers.
In regards to the channel locks, knipex pliers don’t even require you to squeeze the handles. Awesome tools for things like this. Great job! Make sure the pump handle ends up in the stowed position before you overfill or you will have to open the vent to drain it
Love this Adam!! Thanks for the great idea and for providing value to your videos!! It’s the simple ideas such as this one that save so much hassle, time, and money which ultimately brings such great value!!!
Many Thanks!
Jeremy Carr
Hamden, CT…by way of Memphis Tennessee!
Go Memphis TIGERS!!!
Love this idea
I totally understand your excitement; I despise those gas cans, especially the new ones these days. Looks like a real nice setup.
Adam you won't regret this move I've done this with diesel for a while and just started with gas so much better.
Nice set up Adam. that close to garage AC pumps would've been high class!
Great idea adam
Good video. I get it. I do the same for heating fuel. Drums and a pump are much better then 5 gallon cans. Also use it for the tractor as well.
I don't know about gas ,but as far as diesel goes , any company that delivers heating g oil also delivers off road diesel. So it shouldn't be big deal to have it delivered , although most companies have minimum , so keep that in mind.
Great idea I like how portable you made it.
Hi Mike my father in law was a farmer in the Midwest he had a similar setup for car gas and tractor gas
He kept his tanks in the wooded grove in the shade. It seemed to work for him. You might want to consider a tree line location
Just past your driveway. Good luck A3
I'm excited for you, I understand the struggle of pouring gas all the time. Please consider putting a properly rated fire extinguisher near by, but it looks like your all set when you get it grounded. Additionally, consider a water/fuel seperator. 💚👍👍
Now hopefully you use them at fairly close to the same rate. It would suck to have to take a nearly full drum to gas station while the other one is empty
You’re gonna love that set up!
Great solution! I think I'm going to do the same thing. I hear ya on those plastic gas/diesel cans. I will be filled with joy the day I can shread, burn, or blow-up those stupidly designed plastic cans!!!!
At the end of each future video show an aerial view of your new pond filling.
On the vent, i think 3/4 inch pipe will thread in 6" pipe with elbow and put plug in elbow will help with rain on top of barrel. Sweet setup
like the idea check and see if you need ground the setup from static discharge know some gas storage tanks or grounded
So glad you didn't put those cans in your garage with that wood stove in the corner. Russ Esko, MN
Adam: I do like your set-up. While we do have an old 71 C10 with two transport tanks & 5 gals of 2.cycle & bar oil. But your set-up, can be set up at the job site. Then just refill in the morning. Thanks for the suggestion.
Last year I got a 14 gallon rolling gas tank and it has been amazing. I know your drums will save you a ton.
That's a cool little fueling station. We'd never be allowed to do anything close to that here in Ontario. We'd be fined out of our house if we were caught transporting it like that, we wouldn't be allowed to fill them anywhere, and we can't store it like that. Our storage systems are so ridiculously overwrought it's unaffordable for a homeowner to keep bulk fuel. Be grateful you live where you do.
Absolutely I get it thats why I have 2 300 gallon tanks and just have them filled
Yep, I get it!
Excellent idea! I also like the ICB tote for protection from an accidental collision. I am not sure exactly how your pumps work but if you elevate the barrels you may get a natural siphon that may only require you to pump a couple of times. Just a thought….
That was my thought.pull a couple of times for a flow then leave Handel open?
5 gal gas cans, story of my life. Gotta fuel up the dump truck, chipper, bobcat, stump grinder and 2 pickups quite often, figure that is time for circle k coffee anyway. But... I have an empty 75 gallon oil tank just sitting in my yard, the thought has crossed my mind!
“Do your own research and use whatever safety precautions you need to so you don’t blow yourself up.” Now there’s some good honest advise! 😂😂😂. Laughed out load when you said “getting rid of the 5 gallon jugs from my life forever”. Boy that’s no joke. Take care Adam!
I like the 550 gallon tanks on stands. Don't use it now, but when I was doing all my own hay, saved hours of time.
Great idea. Don’t mean to rain on your parade, but have you talked with your insurance agent about this? My family used to have a couple of gas tractors when I was a kid. We had to move the gas tank away from the buildings a pretty good distance due to insurance issues. That was in the mid 90s. It got to the point where we didn’t keep much on hand because of it. Those tractors were phased out and now it’s all diesel equipment. No issue with a 1000 gal tank by the shop.
Nice setup, definitely easier than the Gerry cans. To vent if you add a couple 90° and a ball valve pointed down. No worries about not tightening down the vent. Cheers, Mark @ Mannisto Cay🍻
@Gillie Monger lol, all good.
You did not mention it, but there are commercial fuel outlets in most areas. I found one just a miles away here in SE Ohio. They have the off-road "dyed" or "red" diesel which is about 60cents cheaper than road diesel. They also have the ethanol free premium which is about the same price as premium at the station. The advantage is the the fuel keeps longer as the ethanol can attract moisture and water into the fuel especially when stored. The ethanol can be a bit harder on valves etc on small engines too. I have not pulled the trigger on the larger fuel storage yet, but I have looked into it. I would personally keep the drums much farther away from the house though. Maybe a small garden shed would do it.
Where are you going for that? I’m in Morgan county.
@@barkartist5122 Bazell oil near Logan.
@mdbailey57 thanks
I wish I could show you a pic of my fuel storage . I too was tired of 5-6 gallon cans and went with 55 gal drums , but horizontal on a modified fuel stand that had held a rusted out fuel tank .
12:40 look in side the tank and you will see red dyed fuel
Nice idea. Growing up my dad had a shed with two 300 gallon tanks in it. He had fuel delivered to have everything fuel including his truck.
Adam I’d also put some kind of spacer between the two barrels. Your bound to get some rubbing while in transit. Do they sell a vent cap you can screw into the other hole? A little edit here. Would foam pipe insulation work? You could trim to fit and wrap the top of each barrel.
Very cool.
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I dealt with aviation fuel when I worked at a private airport
We had what you have, but a 1000 gal or more, tank. I would suggest is a fuel water separator so you can capture condensation as it builds up.
I did the same thing. My oil co won't deliver less than 100 gal so I got 3 55 gal drums for fuel as I was so tired of doing it the 5 gallon way. Keep your fuel someplace else other than in the garage though. Good pumps but not inside. I use 95% diesel so no gas but still, get it outside. My generator is a whole house unit that runs off of the propane tank. Only way to go but check with a fuel delivery co. Cheaper!
Great job, Adam. You’re going to love the convenience of those drums of fuel!
All the weight of the hose and filter on the one pipe fitting . Make a small frame to support that and avoid fatigue leaks ;)
Nice video. I’m in the process of doing the same thing myself. Tired of tripping over 5 gallon cans 👍
Nice setup adam….. ✅👍
I enjoyed the video. And I would be excited too.
I really like “No-Spill” brand gas cans. They are very different than regular cans.
I use Husqvarna/Jonsered ~four gallon jugs with auto shut-off function.
Garbage. Take forever to fill fuel.
@@plumberguy6334
Depends on what you are filling. In my opinion it doesn't take that long to empty a four gallon jug. It's the same principal as in the combi-jugs they have for chainsaw-use. Isn't it the same with the "Tuff Jug", quite quick to get empty?
But I agree with you on the question about fulling up larger machines. If the need is over ten gallon, the jug is not suitable. At least if it's repeativly that one has to fill it up.
There is a good solution out there for everyone. Let's all go out and find it 👍🏽💪🏽☀️😎!
@@johanneslaxell6641 I was referring to the no spill cans. I can’t speak for the cans you reference.
I did like the "NO SPILL" brand to begin with, but they started to leak after a couple of years right where the seam is on top of the can. Wavian cans are a little more expensive initially but last a lifetime!
You might research a grounding line for when you fuel those barrels up for safety. You could even do jumper cables as a down and dirty method. You might put a large fire extinguisher on your rack there so it’s alway close to the hazard. 👍
Slick set up for sure
I still use 5 gallon cans for gas, but I figured out that a jiggler siphon (has a brass end with a check ball in it, $8 at Menards) works great for filling tanks from them. I still have to set the can higher than the tank, but I don't have to hold it there for a year and a half.
Something I haven't seen mentioned. You better make Damn sure your allowed to transport external gas tanks with out a permit or license. In many states this is a very stiff fine and could include jail time.
I buy steel 5 gal fuel cans and found a battery powered fuel pump that screws on to the fuel can. You just have to push a button to start fueling. The pump also has a automatic shut off when the tank is full. I was surprised to find that these battery powered pumps are quite inexpensive. I also only use ethanol free gas in all of my small engines. My machines run smoother, cooler and I have much less problems with the carburetors and fuel lines.
That's the way to do it.
move the fuel station away from the garage, put it somewhere by itself and fire that sawmill up and build a shed around it, just some friendly safety advice.
Anybody that has dealt with the new "safe" cans should under stand the desire to change.
I do not use as much fuel as you do. I am looking at FLO-FAST. I can sit containers on the ground to fill(some stations around me will not let me fill containers in the truck), you can empty the hose, there is a closable vent, and they offer a cart.
I’d love to do a set up like that it’s very nice and very helpful I use a lot of 5 gallon gas cans
Another great video Adam! I work for Cummins myself, and I know they carry Fleetguatd filters. You can get fuel water separator‘s, so that is an option for you to control the water issue. You might need to raise the filter up so you can drain the drain the water from the fuel. Perhaps someone makes a filter head assembly that you can actually articulate the pipe that the filter head is attached to so it’s over the side of the barrel, then you can drain your water out then just swing it back around. Not sure on that one. Do you have a way to register your fuel level in the tank? I know in the PowerGen department we have sub base fuel tanks underneath the generators. Most of those tanks have a manual fuel gauge. I wanna say they are made by Tramont. They also manufacture the tanks. I would think fuel supply place that sells pump handles and so forth probably has the same thing. Maybe a farm supply store too. Thanks.
I have an old 38 gallon boat tank that i use. I ground it to my truck through the trailer connection with a plug. Quick and easy. I am set up that i can unload it to a tailgate high bench. I think gas is just over 7 lbs per gallon. Diesel I believe is a little lower, maybe something like 6.8.
screw breathers in the small hole make some from rocker cover breathers if water gets on top of drums there better sealed
Seems it would condense moisture inside the barrels. When the outside temps drop. May need to add a moisture trap to keep from getting water into the tractors etc. Taryl Fix All YT channel did a test of fuel stabilizers. He tested 10 engines using different stabilizers. 2 engines he used just gas. One 93 octane, and 87 octane Every thirty days. He started the motors. He found stabilizers were not needed if you started the motors every month. It put fresh gas in the carbs. So he recommends to just start your mowers once a month. during the off season.
Great project. I'm wondering if separate IBC totes wouldn't have been better. Your gas consumption won't be the same as diesel consumption so sometimes you'll be bringing a partially full drum back to the filling station.
That’s super cool
I bought a 30 gallon fuel caddy for my tractor it is better than the gas cans for sure! Still taking two 5 gallon gas cans to fill for the lawnmowers but eventually I may get another fuel caddy for gas.
As a thought..for suggestion on ( VENTING BARRLLES TO AVOID WATER GETTING INSIDE BARRLE )
Get a st.elbow male end into barrle , second st.elbow poi ting down to barrel top ( Prior to install second st.elbow get a pipe plug witch you drill derictliy down through it fr top ,down through , (witch lets air in or out for venting ) install the plug ( cap ) into the second st. Elbow , again female end of second st. Elbow points down to cover ( use teffalon tape on threads possibly pipe dope too...)
Your correct w thought of covering barrels until you can build a car port effect cover for storage to avoid direct sun or rain..
Liked idea of Grounding clamp to clamp onto gas barrel during storage & usage..
Great channle ideas you have..
Good idea with the rack.
I've been using the no spill cans for my lawn care business. I run 2 5 gal tanks plus the 9gal tank on my zero turn. Filling them up isn't the funnest thing to do. I've been wanting to get a larger fuel tank long term after I get a shop yo store it
Nice job 👍💪
A video would be good,
How you get them in the truck or trailer.
How you restrain them.
What you do at the gas station.
Getting them out of the truck and in place.
Great set up Adam!!! I know how excited you are. We used to run to town with 5 gal cans all the time until we found a 250 hsl tank. Question. Have you checked with a bulk plant. They can deliver if they making a run vlise
Pay attention to rain water pooling on top of the drums and infiltrating the bungs.
According to the Science and Technology Desk Reference, the weight of a gallon of common fuel (such as gasoline) is six pounds. A gallon of water, on the other hand, weighs about 8.4 pounds
I'm all good with what you've done with the fuel barrels, what would scare the crap out of me is paying for the fuel with the cost out here in California
Double thumbs up.
It would be a good idea to vent those tanks for temperature variations. Check Amazon for drum bung vents.