Rugs if those long, detailed videos aren't worth it for you to make given the time/resources/effort/payout or whatever it may be, just know that you have fans like me out there that are WISHING you would put out those mega detailed discussions. Your value comes from the clear wealth of knowledge you have and restraining yourself in that regard feels like a shame to someone like me. Just something to keep in mind and something you've hopefully heard before. Keep up the amazing work, you deserve to be a frontrunner in this space.
There has to be a payoff for his time and the honest truth is, short and concise videos with general info will get more clicks and views. As more people get into the expansion, I believe the interest for theorycrafting could be greater. But Wrath is a fairly shallow expansion in terms of complexity in PvE, compared to later expansions at least.
Its a very rare raid that will bother gearing an enhancement shaman in t7. They are just not very good in t8. The whole point of gearing in t7 is to be strong at the start of t8 and so on. As such the as a RL you want the classes you know will pump the most if they have the gear in t8 to get geared. This is made even more important because t8 is imo the hardest. since you are going to have no problem clearing naxx with just a handful of almost naked rogues anyway you don't need to gear classes based on whats strong in t7 at all. Teir 8 is abit different because ToGC is so freaking easy. in t8 you are gearing to just make the t8 content less painful and faster. Teir 9 tho is once again back to getting ready for t10. As for torch I would almost always give it to good healers, they are much harder to find and replace. You're never sad about a boomie or ele shaman leaving your raid grp, you can just get another mage or warlock they are both over populated classes for the very limited slots most raids give them. As such finding another caster dps never takes long. A great healer on the other hand can carry the raid and be a massive pain to replace.
@@alistairbolden6340 why do you think enhance is bad in T8? cause they aren't on private servers. i also get the feeling that you play a healer. good dps certainly isn't as easy to find as you make it out to be and gearing dps over healers will always be better on average.
@@luizperez3357 First please understand that Warmane is really an exception. This and most other teir lists are based on that server. Its been out a long time and its pay to win. Most people playing on it now don't even remember t7/8/9 and base all dps off bis icc gear or a bis geared Sim. Ret and Enhance are in the same place but enhance is better overall. Their place/dps on this list assumes they are in bis for every teir and for example have shadowmorn. Ofc that is not going to happen in liver because most guilds will only get 1-2 legendaries if they are lucky. They should in theory go to Warriors who get the most out of them. On Warmane you can just buy Shadowmorn from the cash shop. With enhance there single target is ok but what you find is that unholy DK is given loot prio over other 2h weapon users for t8 because its aoe is simply the best. Spellhance is only a thing on Warmane, its not on Dalaran and I would for that reason assume it wont be in classic. Much like Affi warlock able to snap shot a corruption and maintain it for the whole fight, or Feral druid able to proc cc off food buffs, hots, bleed ticks and just about everything instead of just attacks. My point is Warmane scripting is terrible, everyone who plays on there knows it. Part of that terrible scripting is why Enhance shammy can deal some decent damage. I assume blizzard servers will be properly scripted, my prediction is that hunter, warrior and mage will be in much shape than they are on Warmane. TLDR take any content creator thats talking about Wotlk based on Warmane with a pinch of salt. Someone like ScottieJaye is a much better sorce of relyable info. The pvp spec's and off specs are much improved but the issue is they only preform once they have bis for that phase, that is what carries them. And since this is not Warmane gear will be limited making things like enhance look worse than they really are. If you want to play a great spell+melee class play DK, its just a hell of a lot better. If you want a good idea of how classes will preform look up the logs from back in the day.
@@luizperez3357 To your next point in terms of ranged dps, you will have 3 mages and warlocks for every 1 raid spot. TBC was so ranged/caster heavy and a lot of them will not reroll. Wotlk is a melee xpack. You will often only have 5-8 ranged/caster dps in your entire 25man raid. In 10 man you don't have more than 2-3. Clearly this means you will have a lot of very good ranged dps early on doing what they can to prove they deserve a spot. Because balance and feral druids are ok now, and Enhance and Ele Shaman and Prot Pally ect. You will have many healer mains that decide to play for example kitty dps. The result is healers are the hardest raid spots to fill in Wotlk. You really can't find good ones without hassle. As such you give them the loot because you know that, even if you make your balanced druid wait to get his, there is simply no chance he will leave the guild/raid. You healer could leave and have 10 other guilds asking him to join that same hour. TLDR we are going from a game where every raid is full of ranged dps to a game where that is not the case. A lot of healers will be looking to try out their classes dps spec instead of heal. This makes melee fairly high value because not many people are currently melee, healers very high value and ranged easy to replace.
Rugs your videos are always extremely informative, you tell it exactly how it is. I love this format, but would also watch longer discussions with you too! I always tune in to those multi panel pod casts or discussions to hear your takes and your opinion is definitely valued by a lot of people :) Keep it up and hope to hear more soon
Yeah a video with AtlasLoot open going over every piece would be so much preferred. If it was 4 hours long I'd watch every second of that. UA-cam is too tierlist/top 10-y as it is.
you mention at the start that demo will get anything they want first pretty much, but a max spellpower set looks pretty different in some of the slots compared to a regular personal dps set that an affliction would go for. for example giving malygos legs or boots, pennant cloak or the KT ring to a demo over an affliction lock makes no sense. i feel like demo lock gearing is going to be one of the major sources of loot drama for many guilds tbh, so maybe something worth taking a deeper dive into.
Ay thanks for putting out solid content rugs. I like the class specific videos ofc but I love to see a video that can be a helpful to an entire guild. Keep up the great work!
460 spell is compensed by almost 80 dps and 200 min/max dmg on main hand? I don't understand how :( . Auto attack is not the first source of dmg for enhance?
@@babat304 no they aren’t just physical based lmao. Strong part of their rotation is instant cast CL/LB from maelstrom weapon. You are a clown. A weapon not hitting as hard as another has to be considered when adding the damage done from maelstrom and shocks. Obviously this is even more so in spellhance. It’s not idiotic to say if it’s simming that way
If you level solo with quests ect wf will be better. Higher burst and more mana regen thanks to wf and shamanistic rage. Spellhance will be good t7 and t8 raids but you need a paladin who keeps wisdom up or else you run into mana problems.
How much of Enhances damage profile is spell damage and what are the coefficients looking like? I do wonder how much gain you get from a big wep going to them vs pure casters
I think realistically spellhance should only be played with people you already know. It's an alternate playstyle that seeks gear which is already spread thin between a bunch of classes and is one that not many people know the BiS gear of. So there's bound to be a bunch of seneless drama around it. Also does it do that much more DPS than standard enha?
Are spellhance still gonna be the best in phase 2? If not, I might be alittle stupid to give ur good caster loot them, if they gonna want a complete new set in next phase.
Considering betrayer is an axe (poleaxe spec bis) & the fact that DW unholy is the new meta, I'd actually prio the warrior with betrayer first. Just my opinion personally
Thank you for being a bastion of knowledge and wisdom Rugs. Calling out tanks/healers for the Saph neck, SO TRUE. When are the spoly, roomy, and roly builds?
@Rugs just fair to say Spellhance, at least in the early phases just counts as a pseudo caster dps? I mean just to clarify that and it really just closes the argument door on people not really understanding it. Thanks for the videos as always appreciate it. I functionally was in the same boat initially about phase 1 (Boomkin), in that where do I make trade-offs in gear to help or rather save others cause I don't start really launching off the dps until later phases with massive amounts of spell crit. So looking at small downgrades like the Malygos-10 staff for instance is one way around this. The trinket is the tough one, I've seen some arguments about just stacking sp on the demo lock and completely avoiding hit altogether. Curious to see how all that plays out. There will be a ton of more tech coming once we actually get in there as well Im sure. Thanks again brother and keep up the great work!
Instead of taking 25 people to do OS, you take a mix of main + alts and run the raid twice with somewhere around 15-25 people per run. Takes a little extra time, but you guarantee double the loot
Hi Rugs, Would you recommend doing Naxx 25 -> OS -> EoE for a 2 day split, or some other order for the raids over 2 nights?Thank you. For my guild the best times to raid for the majority is mon/wed for 2.5 hrs each day. After watching your video that emphasized keeping players involved and giving them reasons to log in, we’re struggling to come up with an ideal raid progression for the tier. Also appreciate you taking the time to share your suggestions for loot in this vid.
The issue with spellhance wanting stuff like dying curse is not as simple "bis is bis" you mentiom how staffs should go feral>hunter because they gain more value which is true but then fail to realise its same with dying curse for spellhance over any other caster. Spellhance gains very small dps increase with dying curse over any other caster. Somr casters get 7x more dps over their 2nd BIS comparred to spellhance. So it does feel super biased if you mention it for the fist wep/staff but then say dying curse should go to spellhance. Sure once all the other casters have it, then it can go to spellhance, but if we talking LC and we prio items to classes that benefit more than spellhance should NEVER get prio on dying curse over all the other classes
@@cosmo4100 That has nothing to do with the comment I had. You can say good hunter is gonna dumpster feral in p1 but you still gonna give staff prio to feral because of the insane value they get from the item comparred to the hunter small dps gain. Spellhance gains so little dps from dying curse comparred to all the other casters. Spellhance can be top 1 dps in your guild but still shouldnt get dying curse because of how small it is for them comparred to the other casters
@@Kakaucko spellhance uses spells every 2nd global the LATEST, sometimes in a row. so how is a hunter who doesnt use the weapon compareable to spellhance? all spells that you use as spellhance scale very well with spelldamage. so your comparison just proves your inexperience or ignorance towards that spec
@@tomnovy1882 He can use spell every 1 global, wont change the fact that the dps increase spellhance gets with the trinket is minor comparred to the dmg increase normal casters get put of this. I mean, if your argument is he casts spell every 2nd global than warlock that casts spell every global gets already 2x more value out of it. And that is ignoring the spell scalling of spellhance comparred to regular caster
I think the spellhance dying curse discussion is a moot point, is a spellhance gonna do more than an arcane mage or demo lock or afflilock? probably not, so every single 1 of those classes should probably get it first, just cuz it's bis for a semiviable spec doesn't mean they should get prio over your huge spell damage carries.
Would you give legendary mace to the new late p4/early p5 BiS healer classes or someone who would be 3rd in line (class wise) but has been apart of the guild since early p2 and is one of your most dedicated/reliable healers since joining the guild?
You want to give it to your most reliable holy Paladin if you want to progress faster in later phases. If you don't have one then I think resto druid is your 2nd best option, not sure tough. If you don't have either (idk how that's possible :D ) then just your most loyal/oldest healer or an officer will do in my opinion Edit: don't even think about giving it do Disc Priests :D they do more shielding than healing so it's not so useful for them
Give legendaries to players, not their class. If you've got someone who has been there forever and always been an incredible asset to the guild, good personality etc, give it to them. If there are several of those you should probably roll it out.
Original Ulduar didn't scale up with ilvl even though we are getting 3.3.5 with the unpredictability of blizzard and "the community" wanting to "make things harder" they might turn around and say "no, vehicles will no scale with ilvl until ToC"
lol wow that's strange. I'm playing Boomkin yet again and since 2008 I have never gotten one. I usually see drama over Betrayer of Humanity aka ender of guilds lol
Got to love how some people break up guilds over an item that they will see again and again. They have no respect for themselves and shouldn’t be playing the game. WOTLK - crybabies’ game. Got to be cold hearted towards those crybabies
not going to lie think im going to skip buying tier with badges and try and save the badges for heirlooms if possible and depending on my RNG with raptor jesus
@@Rugsz yes sir, I'm really not interested in raiding tbc anymore but I want decent gear going into wrath! Like a questing and heroic farming guide pre patch.
@@Rugsz for tanking dungeons preferably but maybe dps would like a list too 😄 keep up the good content. I'm subscribing just because you replied. Thanks!
I mean, if guilds clear the content then prio the big items to your big pumpers/performers.. 80% of guilds are casual now adays so you’re looking at a solid 10 players that play their class extremely well rather then the top tier guilds where all 25 people are savages and group comp and min maxing is absolutely mandatory. Videos like this where you’re saying funnel the warlocks is just going to make everyone play warlocks when the content just doesn’t require that…
Jezus i still remember few years back geting wraith strike for my enha shammy and people getting MAD about it, then there is dying curse... dude I almost lost few friends because i won roll for dying curse as enha
Yo Rugs, I was wondering if you might make a vid on how a blood DK tank can optimize damage when they are not tanking for the majority of phase 1, would be killer thank you!
Hope everything is well. Of all the classic creators I enjoy yours the most but everyone else releases a lot more frequent lately. Noticed it’s been almost 9 days since last upload so just saying hope all is well with you.
Nice vid as you say if it's on your list and you put the time in your as entitled as any other raid member to an item, being an SP I expect a long wait for stuff and thats probably as it should be, as you say other ways to get your tier stuff..
I get your point about dying curse freeing up other slots… BUT you should be stacking them with trinkets with +sp instead given that’s your 2nd largest slot for sp which is what gives the buff.
If it's BiS it's BiS... AMEN. I remember my raid leader throwing a temper tantrum that I wanted two last laughs on my DK. I still got them because other people understood I was right.
A lot of good info here, its nice to see the kind of content LC might be looking at when they make their loot choices...I just want to say as an Ele Sham in TBC...LC fucking sucked. EVERYTHING that was not completely specific to us, we had to wait behind 4 mages 3 locks an spriest and a boomy to get. IF we got one of those items early, council made it seem like it was a huge sacrifice. Mostly talkin rings trinkets necks backs MH and OH. I'm lookin to get into a guild doin EPGP or DKP for wrath. I am so sick of LC. I get it, that LC is designed to funnel gear to the big performers and critical roles like tanks and healers but if your guild isnt on the bleeding edge competing for top slots in speed runs, LC might not be the right system for your guild, and it is not the worst thing in the world to have to re-evaluate your loot system partway through an expac if its not right for the guild.
People that accept Loot Council are suckers... might as well make your own guild, get blown by your own officers and gear up EZQUICK instead of taking it up the ass by tryhards
Hope this guy doesn't actually run a loot council. Holy fuck. Best an fairest way to distribute loot. TANK > HEALERS > DPS. WITHOUT YOUR TANKS OR HEALER YOU DONT HAVE A RAID. any other way and guarantee your main heal/tank are leaving if they are last in line for gear because "frost bolt go brrrrrrrrr"
As mostly a PUG player I've already developed a premature thousand yard stare over the Spellhance drama to come. TFW you unironically consider playing Elemental just for a better shot at key pieces without having to put up with people's nonsense.
Rugs if those long, detailed videos aren't worth it for you to make given the time/resources/effort/payout or whatever it may be, just know that you have fans like me out there that are WISHING you would put out those mega detailed discussions. Your value comes from the clear wealth of knowledge you have and restraining yourself in that regard feels like a shame to someone like me. Just something to keep in mind and something you've hopefully heard before. Keep up the amazing work, you deserve to be a frontrunner in this space.
There has to be a payoff for his time and the honest truth is, short and concise videos with general info will get more clicks and views.
As more people get into the expansion, I believe the interest for theorycrafting could be greater. But Wrath is a fairly shallow expansion in terms of complexity in PvE, compared to later expansions at least.
Its a very rare raid that will bother gearing an enhancement shaman in t7. They are just not very good in t8. The whole point of gearing in t7 is to be strong at the start of t8 and so on. As such the as a RL you want the classes you know will pump the most if they have the gear in t8 to get geared. This is made even more important because t8 is imo the hardest. since you are going to have no problem clearing naxx with just a handful of almost naked rogues anyway you don't need to gear classes based on whats strong in t7 at all.
Teir 8 is abit different because ToGC is so freaking easy. in t8 you are gearing to just make the t8 content less painful and faster. Teir 9 tho is once again back to getting ready for t10.
As for torch I would almost always give it to good healers, they are much harder to find and replace. You're never sad about a boomie or ele shaman leaving your raid grp, you can just get another mage or warlock they are both over populated classes for the very limited slots most raids give them. As such finding another caster dps never takes long.
A great healer on the other hand can carry the raid and be a massive pain to replace.
@@alistairbolden6340 why do you think enhance is bad in T8? cause they aren't on private servers.
i also get the feeling that you play a healer. good dps certainly isn't as easy to find as you make it out to be and gearing dps over healers will always be better on average.
@@luizperez3357 First please understand that Warmane is really an exception. This and most other teir lists are based on that server. Its been out a long time and its pay to win. Most people playing on it now don't even remember t7/8/9 and base all dps off bis icc gear or a bis geared Sim. Ret and Enhance are in the same place but enhance is better overall. Their place/dps on this list assumes they are in bis for every teir and for example have shadowmorn. Ofc that is not going to happen in liver because most guilds will only get 1-2 legendaries if they are lucky. They should in theory go to Warriors who get the most out of them. On Warmane you can just buy Shadowmorn from the cash shop. With enhance there single target is ok but what you find is that unholy DK is given loot prio over other 2h weapon users for t8 because its aoe is simply the best. Spellhance is only a thing on Warmane, its not on Dalaran and I would for that reason assume it wont be in classic. Much like Affi warlock able to snap shot a corruption and maintain it for the whole fight, or Feral druid able to proc cc off food buffs, hots, bleed ticks and just about everything instead of just attacks.
My point is Warmane scripting is terrible, everyone who plays on there knows it. Part of that terrible scripting is why Enhance shammy can deal some decent damage. I assume blizzard servers will be properly scripted, my prediction is that hunter, warrior and mage will be in much shape than they are on Warmane.
TLDR take any content creator thats talking about Wotlk based on Warmane with a pinch of salt. Someone like ScottieJaye is a much better sorce of relyable info. The pvp spec's and off specs are much improved but the issue is they only preform once they have bis for that phase, that is what carries them. And since this is not Warmane gear will be limited making things like enhance look worse than they really are.
If you want to play a great spell+melee class play DK, its just a hell of a lot better.
If you want a good idea of how classes will preform look up the logs from back in the day.
@@luizperez3357 To your next point in terms of ranged dps, you will have 3 mages and warlocks for every 1 raid spot. TBC was so ranged/caster heavy and a lot of them will not reroll. Wotlk is a melee xpack. You will often only have 5-8 ranged/caster dps in your entire 25man raid. In 10 man you don't have more than 2-3. Clearly this means you will have a lot of very good ranged dps early on doing what they can to prove they deserve a spot. Because balance and feral druids are ok now, and Enhance and Ele Shaman and Prot Pally ect. You will have many healer mains that decide to play for example kitty dps. The result is healers are the hardest raid spots to fill in Wotlk. You really can't find good ones without hassle. As such you give them the loot because you know that, even if you make your balanced druid wait to get his, there is simply no chance he will leave the guild/raid.
You healer could leave and have 10 other guilds asking him to join that same hour.
TLDR we are going from a game where every raid is full of ranged dps to a game where that is not the case. A lot of healers will be looking to try out their classes dps spec instead of heal. This makes melee fairly high value because not many people are currently melee, healers very high value and ranged easy to replace.
Rugs your videos are always extremely informative, you tell it exactly how it is. I love this format, but would also watch longer discussions with you too! I always tune in to those multi panel pod casts or discussions to hear your takes and your opinion is definitely valued by a lot of people :) Keep it up and hope to hear more soon
Tip one: absolutely blast
Tip two: get loot
Shadowmourne goes to the Blood DK for threat!
Naturally.
MY MAN !
@rugs Any chance you can make a raid lead guide for Naxx and the other P1 raids with new strats for bosses
Hey Rugs do you have a loot prio spreadsheet for p1 by chance?
@rugs you doing a video like this for uld?
Holy SHIT what a good god damn video. Fucking love you brotherrrr
Yeah a video with AtlasLoot open going over every piece would be so much preferred. If it was 4 hours long I'd watch every second of that.
UA-cam is too tierlist/top 10-y as it is.
you mention at the start that demo will get anything they want first pretty much, but a max spellpower set looks pretty different in some of the slots compared to a regular personal dps set that an affliction would go for. for example giving malygos legs or boots, pennant cloak or the KT ring to a demo over an affliction lock makes no sense.
i feel like demo lock gearing is going to be one of the major sources of loot drama for many guilds tbh, so maybe something worth taking a deeper dive into.
Ay thanks for putting out solid content rugs. I like the class specific videos ofc but I love to see a video that can be a helpful to an entire guild. Keep up the great work!
Should ret be high on prio list p1? or is this a sign of corrupt loot council
Always appreciate a good succinct loot breakdown! All of us LC members appreciate additional input I’m sure
Wraithstrike is also currently simming the top weapon even for normal WF/FT enhance. Over Calamity by far. Its just Enhance BiS.
460 spell is compensed by almost 80 dps and 200 min/max dmg on main hand? I don't understand how :( . Auto attack is not the first source of dmg for enhance?
@@datillou8834 spellhancer
Ummm no. That’s idiotic to say. Enhance are physical based.
@@babat304 no they aren’t just physical based lmao. Strong part of their rotation is instant cast CL/LB from maelstrom weapon. You are a clown. A weapon not hitting as hard as another has to be considered when adding the damage done from maelstrom and shocks. Obviously this is even more so in spellhance. It’s not idiotic to say if it’s simming that way
Hey @rugs, as spellhance do I want to go for caster gear while leveling including weapons? Or wait for 80? Thanks
If you level solo with quests ect wf will be better. Higher burst and more mana regen thanks to wf and shamanistic rage. Spellhance will be good t7 and t8 raids but you need a paladin who keeps wisdom up or else you run into mana problems.
How much of Enhances damage profile is spell damage and what are the coefficients looking like? I do wonder how much gain you get from a big wep going to them vs pure casters
I think realistically spellhance should only be played with people you already know. It's an alternate playstyle that seeks gear which is already spread thin between a bunch of classes and is one that not many people know the BiS gear of. So there's bound to be a bunch of seneless drama around it.
Also does it do that much more DPS than standard enha?
hey sry for the not video related question^^ but what do u think at what point pure physical enhance could be better than spellhance onretail wotlk
It isnt
Hella good video man! Keep at it 🤙🏼
You play wotlk classic?
Didn't expect to see you here
Loved the tips! Thanks for doing the video.
Would honestly love to hear more thoughts on other pieces of loot!
Any plans to do this for each phase?
ill be honest i could easily sit through an entire video of you just going item by item in AtlasLoot i love super long videos in the background
Does the sapphiron quest item for the neck reward only drop from 25 man sapphiron? Or does it drop from 10 man too?
there's a 10man version with the same stats, but lower ilvl so its not BiS for anyone despite being decent
@@Rugsz good to know, thanks!
Are spellhance still gonna be the best in phase 2? If not, I might be alittle stupid to give ur good caster loot them, if they gonna want a complete new set in next phase.
Yes it will still be a thing
I think it falls off in phase 3 and is dead by phase 4
Hey man what's your prio thoughts on something like Betrayer, Armagheddon, etc?
Considering betrayer is an axe (poleaxe spec bis) & the fact that DW unholy is the new meta, I'd actually prio the warrior with betrayer first. Just my opinion personally
@@Rugsz Thanks!
Your passion and knowledge are apparent. Easiest sub of my life. Keep up the good work my dude. It's much appreciated.
Thank you for being a bastion of knowledge and wisdom Rugs. Calling out tanks/healers for the Saph neck, SO TRUE. When are the spoly, roomy, and roly builds?
Oh shit its ya boi
@@arthurhyatt4664 👀
saph tank neck is bis for pally and warriors, almost as much stamina as uld 239 neck
@@areus1 grab the 10m version ofc
@Rugs just fair to say Spellhance, at least in the early phases just counts as a pseudo caster dps? I mean just to clarify that and it really just closes the argument door on people not really understanding it. Thanks for the videos as always appreciate it. I functionally was in the same boat initially about phase 1 (Boomkin), in that where do I make trade-offs in gear to help or rather save others cause I don't start really launching off the dps until later phases with massive amounts of spell crit. So looking at small downgrades like the Malygos-10 staff for instance is one way around this.
The trinket is the tough one, I've seen some arguments about just stacking sp on the demo lock and completely avoiding hit altogether. Curious to see how all that plays out. There will be a ton of more tech coming once we actually get in there as well Im sure.
Thanks again brother and keep up the great work!
What’s split running os mean?
Instead of taking 25 people to do OS, you take a mix of main + alts and run the raid twice with somewhere around 15-25 people per run. Takes a little extra time, but you guarantee double the loot
@@Rugsz ahh i see., thats interesting! thanks
Isn't WraithStrike simming as BiS for Shamans even in the WF/FT normal enhance build?
Even better that Calamity?
Nice video either way.
Yes.
Random question, is it possible to 10 man some 25 man bosses in P1?
Naxx bosses? Most of them probably, once you have some Gear. Spider wing is mega easy for example
Once phase two starts THEN we let the loot drama get out of hand.
Woah totally didn't realize you could get tier with emblems lol that's awesome. Great video btw
Spellhance is going to cause so much guild/loot drama and I can't wait.
Instead of the 6hour detailed one, do one for casters, melee, healers, tanks 🙂
Here just to see warriors last for every contested piece
Hi Rugs,
Would you recommend doing Naxx 25 -> OS -> EoE for a 2 day split, or some other order for the raids over 2 nights?Thank you.
For my guild the best times to raid for the majority is mon/wed for 2.5 hrs each day. After watching your video that emphasized keeping players involved and giving them reasons to log in, we’re struggling to come up with an ideal raid progression for the tier.
Also appreciate you taking the time to share your suggestions for loot in this vid.
As long as you do EoE after Naxx and not before, then you’re fine with whatever order you prefer!
The issue with spellhance wanting stuff like dying curse is not as simple "bis is bis" you mentiom how staffs should go feral>hunter because they gain more value which is true but then fail to realise its same with dying curse for spellhance over any other caster. Spellhance gains very small dps increase with dying curse over any other caster. Somr casters get 7x more dps over their 2nd BIS comparred to spellhance. So it does feel super biased if you mention it for the fist wep/staff but then say dying curse should go to spellhance. Sure once all the other casters have it, then it can go to spellhance, but if we talking LC and we prio items to classes that benefit more than spellhance should NEVER get prio on dying curse over all the other classes
you're high, a good spellhance is gonna dumpster a lot of your casters p1p2
@@cosmo4100 That has nothing to do with the comment I had. You can say good hunter is gonna dumpster feral in p1 but you still gonna give staff prio to feral because of the insane value they get from the item comparred to the hunter small dps gain. Spellhance gains so little dps from dying curse comparred to all the other casters. Spellhance can be top 1 dps in your guild but still shouldnt get dying curse because of how small it is for them comparred to the other casters
@@Kakaucko spellhance uses spells every 2nd global the LATEST, sometimes in a row. so how is a hunter who doesnt use the weapon compareable to spellhance? all spells that you use as spellhance scale very well with spelldamage. so your comparison just proves your inexperience or ignorance towards that spec
@@tomnovy1882 He can use spell every 1 global, wont change the fact that the dps increase spellhance gets with the trinket is minor comparred to the dmg increase normal casters get put of this. I mean, if your argument is he casts spell every 2nd global than warlock that casts spell every global gets already 2x more value out of it. And that is ignoring the spell scalling of spellhance comparred to regular caster
@@Kakaucko I wouldnt give it to spellhance over an insane lock, player over class on bis items that dont buff the raids (like demo)
Thanks for those shorter and informative vids !
You’re one of my very favorite streamers, Rug. Excellent content.
Is a there a spread sheet that shows the equivalence points for each DK stat. Or what values do you put into 80 upgrades to compare items.
not yet, but I'm sure the DK discord will have correct EP values before phase 1 comes out that you can use in 80U
Spellhance main detected
Rugs at it again scorin from half court with the vids, great content
Thanks you man, that realy helped a lot.
I think the spellhance dying curse discussion is a moot point, is a spellhance gonna do more than an arcane mage or demo lock or afflilock? probably not, so every single 1 of those classes should probably get it first, just cuz it's bis for a semiviable spec doesn't mean they should get prio over your huge spell damage carries.
Agreed homie. Just because it’s BiS doesn’t mean the meme specs should get loot over the actual pumpers.
@@tupatshakurtis5195 lmao meme spec? Spellhance does insane dmg and can easily top most fights.
Can u stop spreading nonsense if you dont know wrath?
@@tupatshakurtis5195 imagine saying memespec when there are heaps of spellhance players top 3 in dps lmao...
@@Variia for all of phase 1? Then enhance drops off hard. So take your fake news elsewhere.
'is a spellhance gonna do more than an arcane mage or demo lock or afflilock?' - Yes. Do you people live under a fucking rock?
I always feel like i can trust your information to 100%.
Always great and informative content!
Would you give legendary mace to the new late p4/early p5 BiS healer classes or someone who would be 3rd in line (class wise) but has been apart of the guild since early p2 and is one of your most dedicated/reliable healers since joining the guild?
that sounds like a your guild kind of decision, no one can really tell you what is best..
You want to give it to your most reliable holy Paladin if you want to progress faster in later phases. If you don't have one then I think resto druid is your 2nd best option, not sure tough. If you don't have either (idk how that's possible :D ) then just your most loyal/oldest healer or an officer will do in my opinion
Edit: don't even think about giving it do Disc Priests :D they do more shielding than healing so it's not so useful for them
Depends on your guild. If you're not a hardcore guild, give it to the healer third in line.
Give legendaries to players, not their class. If you've got someone who has been there forever and always been an incredible asset to the guild, good personality etc, give it to them. If there are several of those you should probably roll it out.
so everything goes to feral, got it.
I dont understand the flame leviathan set. It scales by ilvl, therefore wear crap high ivl gear? Doesnt that make it harder for yourself?
The higher YOUR ilvl gear, the stronger your vehicle will be which means you'll have more hp and do more dmg on flame leviathan.
@@Rugsz ah, for some reason I confused flame leviathan with firefighter. Makes sense now ^^
Boomies can get away with using Wraith Strike for phase 1 so giving them Torch vs other classes is just a bad choice.
Original Ulduar didn't scale up with ilvl even though we are getting 3.3.5 with the unpredictability of blizzard and "the community" wanting to "make things harder" they might turn around and say "no, vehicles will no scale with ilvl until ToC"
We should know based on Oculus drakes. Not sure if anyone has checked them on Beta yet.
I want that background.
this is a really good one well done rugs 😈😈😈
I don't know if you have interest in doing a full prio list. But yes I think a lot of us would like one.
Make the full video!
What kind of sweaty guild is going to funnel loot to a warlock during baby lala phase 1 naxx rehashed content, maybe only speedrunning guilds.
Oooph me getting Holyfire as a boomkin back in Wotlk is what lead our guild to breaking up. Good luck out there all lol
lol wow that's strange. I'm playing Boomkin yet again and since 2008 I have never gotten one. I usually see drama over Betrayer of Humanity aka ender of guilds lol
Got to love how some people break up guilds over an item that they will see again and again. They have no respect for themselves and shouldn’t be playing the game. WOTLK - crybabies’ game. Got to be cold hearted towards those crybabies
Rugs the literal GOD
WOTLK doesn’t need loot priority.
not going to lie think im going to skip buying tier with badges and try and save the badges for heirlooms if possible and depending on my RNG with raptor jesus
No raid DK 70 BiS list please!
No raid? You mean like what’s the fullest bis you can get without doing any raiding?
@@Rugsz yes sir, I'm really not interested in raiding tbc anymore but I want decent gear going into wrath! Like a questing and heroic farming guide pre patch.
@@Rugsz for tanking dungeons preferably but maybe dps would like a list too 😄 keep up the good content. I'm subscribing just because you replied. Thanks!
Title should say Phase 1 loot prio for dps
Would love the same video for p2❤
Bro I just thought I better check YT to naxx loot prio guide and bam 58 minutes ago Rugs posts this, ahead of the curve!
I would easily watch a six hour loot prio video but I definitely understand it’s not everyone’s cup of tea and it’s probably not worth while for you
I mean, if guilds clear the content then prio the big items to your big pumpers/performers.. 80% of guilds are casual now adays so you’re looking at a solid 10 players that play their class extremely well rather then the top tier guilds where all 25 people are savages and group comp and min maxing is absolutely mandatory. Videos like this where you’re saying funnel the warlocks is just going to make everyone play warlocks when the content just doesn’t require that…
Jezus i still remember few years back geting wraith strike for my enha shammy and people getting MAD about it, then there is dying curse... dude I almost lost few friends because i won roll for dying curse as enha
Yo Rugs, I was wondering if you might make a vid on how a blood DK tank can optimize damage when they are not tanking for the majority of phase 1, would be killer thank you!
Buy dual spec, go Frost. Boom.
wow ive never been this early. Great stuff dude!
Hope everything is well. Of all the classic creators I enjoy yours the most but everyone else releases a lot more frequent lately. Noticed it’s been almost 9 days since last upload so just saying hope all is well with you.
I’m all good dude! Haha thanks for checking in. I’m just busy IRL
I’m my guilds boomie. I put dying curse on the top of my prio list. I don’t want wraithstrike. It’s not my bis.
Spellhance is just an excuse to get both agility gear and spell power gear lol.
same with demo... they don't need prio on loot. They need certain pieces.
@blizzard blue post : 3 weeks after lunch ... 4 weeks p2 / 6 weeks p3 / 8 weeks p4 .. everybody with there 3 purple items .....
The tip 9 for flame leviathan is gonna be so silly. Idk why they thought it was a good idea to have vehicles scale with ilvl lol. Good to know though
To not make gear useless in a game where the main point it's gear up. Even if that leads to stupid shits by accident.
Actually worth it to decide who will be the demolisher drivers months beforehand so you can throw them all the scraps from EoE lol
Nice vid as you say if it's on your list and you put the time in your as entitled as any other raid member to an item, being an SP I expect a long wait for stuff and thats probably as it should be, as you say other ways to get your tier stuff..
In before you prioritise demo locks on flare and I lose my shit again.
I either get my Fisty fist for my Boomy or Ima Fisty Fist my Loot council.
Holdup, that didnt come out right 🤔🤔🥴🥴🥴
RIP hunter loot prio this phase. 🙃
I get your point about dying curse freeing up other slots… BUT you should be stacking them with trinkets with +sp instead given that’s your 2nd largest slot for sp which is what gives the buff.
Dying curse IS one of those trinkets. The proc is used for the demonic pact snapshot man
Im not trashing on spellhance, i only trash on warriors going for cvos xD
Honestly thought this would trigger people but it's obvious stuff that i hope everyone was expecting. Point 9 was cool tho.
Great video
Great content, I am a warrior main since release , but I respect your knowledge at 100% !!!
If it's BiS it's BiS... AMEN. I remember my raid leader throwing a temper tantrum that I wanted two last laughs on my DK. I still got them because other people understood I was right.
Exactly bro. If it's bis it's bis
A lot of good info here, its nice to see the kind of content LC might be looking at when they make their loot choices...I just want to say as an Ele Sham in TBC...LC fucking sucked. EVERYTHING that was not completely specific to us, we had to wait behind 4 mages 3 locks an spriest and a boomy to get. IF we got one of those items early, council made it seem like it was a huge sacrifice. Mostly talkin rings trinkets necks backs MH and OH. I'm lookin to get into a guild doin EPGP or DKP for wrath. I am so sick of LC. I get it, that LC is designed to funnel gear to the big performers and critical roles like tanks and healers but if your guild isnt on the bleeding edge competing for top slots in speed runs, LC might not be the right system for your guild, and it is not the worst thing in the world to have to re-evaluate your loot system partway through an expac if its not right for the guild.
People that accept Loot Council are suckers... might as well make your own guild, get blown by your own officers and gear up EZQUICK instead of taking it up the ass by tryhards
I'm the raid leader, all loot it's my prio, end of the topic.
No loot drama for me. Gdkp go brrrr.
Drama item will 100% be Grim Toll
Why? Its only good for feral, combat and warrior and should be awarded in that order.
Barely even a contested item
Drama between your enchanters lmao
Hope this guy doesn't actually run a loot council. Holy fuck. Best an fairest way to distribute loot. TANK > HEALERS > DPS. WITHOUT YOUR TANKS OR HEALER YOU DONT HAVE A RAID. any other way and guarantee your main heal/tank are leaving if they are last in line for gear because "frost bolt go brrrrrrrrr"
Am I crazy or is this vid tagged as Diablo 3
You couldn't be more wrong on #7
As mostly a PUG player I've already developed a premature thousand yard stare over the Spellhance drama to come. TFW you unironically consider playing Elemental just for a better shot at key pieces without having to put up with people's nonsense.
i mean your dps as an enhance should speak for itself when it comes to earning gear. ele is pretty notorious for being low prio
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lol someone setting himself up for raiding in wotlk. " Hey Guild look at the video I made and also I am going Warlock :) "
oh the irony of telling people to get over themselves :D
I am streamer give all loot.
So many people triggered that enhance shaman is going to do really well in Naxx HAHA
Yeah holy shit that part is crazy. The copium from these casters who will get dumped on by any decently well-played enh is mind blowing
If warlocks get prio on gear again in wrath. I'm going to uninstall the game..
MonkaS dude looool
Get ready to uninstall
kinda skuffed that you want us to comment when you haven't interacted with any of your old vids' comments. Show us some lovin too.
bro I'm right here. I respond to comments as much as I can
As GM...I think all loot should be funneled to me.
dying curse gdkp payouts $.$