Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran
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- Championship. Jack Johnson vs Frank Moran. Referee: Georges Carpentier. Jun. 27, 1914. Velodrome d'Hiver, Paris, France.
Джек Джонсон против Фрэнка Морана, 27 июня 1914 г., 1, 5, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 19 и 20-ый раунды, победа Джонсона (PTS).
3 oz. gloves and no mouthpieces... wow !
They had mouth pieces since the late 1800's, it wasn't enforced to wear it.
@@JENDALL714 I was speaking specifically of the johnson\moran fight, not whether or not mouth pieces were enforced... but thanks for the info.
Looking at this video is very eerie because the very next day was Sunday, June 28, 1914, the day on which Gavrilo Princip shot the Archduke Ferdinand in Sarajevo,, Bosnia. This led to World War 1 and changed the course of history..
Nobody at this match knew they were fighting just a few hours before an earth-shattering event.
+CrateofStolenDirt ...Either way, it's still an earth-shattering, as stated, or a monumental event...
And it still started it...
Stupid comment!
Crateof Stolen???--It did indeed lead to WW1.
There is wars and suffering of innocent people in ever period in history till now. Maybe your media is not telling you about illegal wars and killing of innocent people that is happening right now. So in that prospective there is nothing special about that match . So chill!!!
Nobody GivesAShit, Jay...
Crazy I'm watching this in 2020. The endurance is incredible.
Yes, great endurance.
Jack Johnson
virou a cara branca de neve
de JIm Jeffries
@El Tigre You're not wrong but how else you going to go that many rounds? I wouldn't want to be the tired guy in a 20-40+rd fight lol
They didn't have processed foods and high fructose corn syrup
Men were cut from a different cloth back in the day.
This is much better film quality than the other Johnson fights around
robby rensenbrink im sure some improvements had been made in video from 1908 to 1914. plus. the lighting (fighting indoors with less sun light to fad out the image) made it much more easier to get the best lighting.
20 rounds! Just imagine going 20 rounds for a world title. I have great respect.
Jack was 36-years old at the time of this fight. Frank Moran was 26 and nobody's pushover. He had an impressive record going into this championship fight with Johnson and gave a good account of himself in this fight. Imagine a 20-round championship fight today! Jack would have handled himself well in any era of boxing. He was that great!
I don't know dude. Johnson's style of fighting would be tremendously outdated against many of todays fighters going back to the 194Os. Johnson wouldn't be hard to find and he didn't let his hands go until their was a clinch. I would've whooped him long distance, from the outside. Jab all night.
If he had modern nutrition and boxing skills he could last in any era boxing has evolved alot
@@bayareaknight4814 keyboard champions have joined the discussion.
@@bayareaknight4814 you wouldnt do shit ,johnson had that rear hand that parried any goofy ass jab that went his way, he also was very very good at landing his own jab ,your face would look like it was put in a meat grinder ,he fights similar to tommy loughran but with power, in fact ive said tommy would be a perfect fighter if he had power that fighter is jack johnson!
@@bayareaknight4814 lmfao dork
it's amazing to read the comments because most clearly don't understand what there watching. These fighters fought 40 rounds sometimes and what you see as holding and clinching is very fierce infighting a lost art to most modern day fighters. Johnson was a defensive master of blocking, feinting, and parrying punches. He would tie and opponent up in knots constantly frustrating them slowly breaking them down. Heavyweights fighting with 5 ounce gloves man you better clinch one punch could knock your teeth out. Most of the comments on here don't have a clue about the sweet science. The men of these times would laugh at a 12 round fight and 12 ounce pillow gloves with fighters getting fatigued after 10 rounds. Modern fighters have evolved the techniques of boxing but they fail miserably in the hidden tangibles separating the Greats from the good. A guy once said to me a 500lb Bengal tiger would destroy a 300lb lion......I said your young you don't understand fighting. A Bengal tiger is a solitary creature while a lion is raised in a pride fighting since he was a cub. All the scars on his face is the fighting experience over many years as he would destroy the tiger. I tell you young people this the 80 to 100 fights the boxers had in this era would allow them to toy with modern day fighters it wont even be close. So sad people have no clue what there witnessing here pure brilliance by a true great!
Shorten those posts, Bry.
No one reads your incessant drivel anyway.
i read the post of Bryant.
this fight is difficult to watch. their technique is strange.
how it happened that Stanley Ketchel caught Johnson so well?
So if Mike Tyson or another modern heavyweight hit them with 5oz gloves it wouldn't hurt them? I agree they were tougher because they fought alot more too. But that doesn't make your jaw tougher and keep you from getting knocked out. Modern fighters have alot more science and modern training on their side.
A tiger would fuck up a lion
Calm down bro it ain't that serious
The narrator makes a good point about its being not long after the bare-knuckle era. There was a lot of stalking, occasional flurries of activity, and roughhousing that would have been grappling (permitted) in bare-knuckle boxing. Techniques which are standard today -- jabbing and throwing fast combinations -- were being worked out in Jack Johnson's time. Johnson's stance -- front leg straight out, leaning back -- was very much the way bare-knuckle fighting was done.
7:45 Moran lands a shot and begins grinning , jack applauds lol
7:45
Then Moran sticks his hand out for a hand shake. Lol
saw this comment, scrolled up to skip ahead. Was already on 7:44. Pointless but true
As a former amateur and pro, with forty years in the game, I hear a lot of talk about nutrition etc and modern training. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that my generation of fighters would not have been good enough to enter the ring with the likes of Johnson. You have to know what to look for in fights. I can see things that nobody in today's fight game can do: cherry picking, arm control and touching a fighter to stop him being able to hit. In the last 70 years, only Larry Holmes could do that. Old time fighters were a different breed! When Joe Louis was King, there was 3000 pro heavies in the US. There are not that many pro fighters on the Earth, today.
Gutter Fighter I agree jack Johnson was a damn good fighter and would beat a lot of these new fighters.
Gutter Fighter. They dont build them like they use too ..these old timers were just strong and durable
Everyone's an internet badass.
Today's athletes don't compare to athletes just 50 years ago. In the 1960's pitchers in baseball regularly pitched complete games and pitched every fourth day. Today's pitchers rarely throw a complete games and have an extra days rest. WHY???
This is typical bias the older effete generation develops to protect rhier ego as they cannot contend with dismal reality that their 15 minutes of fame was long ago and they are forgotten.
You can learn a lot watching this. Especially the clinch fighting. Jack Johnson’s double over position was dominant.
Amazing quality footage for 1914! its incredible how fighters used to be conditioned for 20 plus rounds. the guys today wouldn't even come close to being ready, trained, and seasoned for such long and grueling fights. round after round, there was no neutral corner after a knockdown rule either which different became part of the rules until the mid to late 1920's!
Man, you got to be kidding. The pace these guys are boxing isn't even remotely what it is today. HWs of today would merc these guys in less than three rounds. JJ is a legend of his time but would be helpless today.
RTC1655 Jack Johnson wasn’t really even focused or gave very much attention to the pace of this particular fight here.....he was one of the greatest defensive fighters of any era....at this point in the timeline of his career, Jack was less interested about keeping up with the top contenders and even his training was less intense. Honestly, if you’re viewing this film as a bases for Jack Johnson’s talent and amazing gift as a fighter, you need to watch other fights from earlier years, and watch interviews and do more research....because The great Jim Jeffries said after losing to Johnson (who was maybe at the end of his prime) in 1910, “I couldnt have ever caught Johnson, not even at my best, not in a million years!” Plus Johnson was the one who gave former Heavyweight champion German Max Schmeling the key to the legendary Joe Louis’ weakness in 1936 while watching films of Joe fighting! If ANYONE could fight defensively and slip punches, back up (which is not something one should do in the ring, (ive tried it myself - i used to box and do martial arts) unless you are Muhammed Ali, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson, or Sugar Ray Leonard. “Frankly”, Frank Moran was a brawler who didnt know how to fight very well technically.....
Taking nothing away from the guys that fought back then but Moran just came in, head down, throwing haymakers. That style was totally made for Johnson's superb uppercut. You could tell Willard had studied the films of Johnson fighting before their fight, he leaned back like Johnson and held Johnson at bay with his long arms.
98 years ago...amazing
A 14 year old boy watching this fight...would be 120 years old today!
I attended that lively contest. It was a rather robust affair between two willing combatants. The next day history was written.
How are you still alive
Lol, this dude is 120 years old.
@@lainiwakura4678 Barely looks a day over 115.
@@Goku_Kiyosaki Well it could have been a previous life...
Jack Johnson was one of the GREATEST HEAVYWEIGHTS ever. Fast hands and amazing defense!
Nope. He was not. Throw out what you have been told and watch him with a fresh eye. He backs strait back everytime he is rushed . Hits the holds and uses infighting that would be considered illegal today. He had 5 defenses , against a middleweight who almost knocked hom out, against a former champion who hadn't fought in 7 years and dropped 120 pouns and against 3 journey men one who he almost lost to and fought to a draw. Then he was knocked out by a fighter who was not considered to be skilled at the time. His greatness is a case of people hearing something said over and over and not doing their own research.
Watch this link about Johnson
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No he didn't have much competition. Jack Dempsey would have destroyed him.
@@tommygun5038 Dempsey probably would beat him soundly, and I like JJ.
@@eddraconiandratha177 Well I've been around and studied the sport extensively. And every great heavyweight had flaws... some very glaring ones even. Ali also had terrible habits of backing straight up and keeping his hands down. Also limited power. And I think prime Ali (Clay) was the greatest heavyweight of all time. Perhaps even the greatest P4P, as he fought at 194 when he humiliated Liston. But the greats can overcome these flaws because what they do right, they do overwhelmingly right.
Dempsey wasn't the same once he wasn't hungry anymore. And I mean hunger both figuratively and literally in his case. This has decayed many a great fighter. Was he the one who coined the phrase: "It's hard to keep getting up and running in the morning when you're wearing silk underwear"...? But anyhow in his prime I'd put him in my top 10. Great footwork and ambidextrous, allowing him to switch stances seamlessly and throw combinations from angles guys just didn't see back then. Similar to Tyson in that regard. Elusive head too, especially for the time... time he was way ahead of. Power to spare and tough as hell. You could knock the guy down but he'd get up... every time.
Mike Tyson & Larry Holmes may be the most all around technically sound heavyweights I've seen... in their primes. Of course from the time Mike fired Rooney his skills eroded. People that claim he was just a brawler or a bully... they're the type that don't know boxing. Floyd Patterson too, no coincidence that he was also trained by Cus. But he lacked top end power.
Lennox Lewis would have KOed Johnson in 1 round.
Great upload thank you. It’s fun to watch this sparring match between the great Jack Johnson and a tough middleweight 👍🏿
A lot of people have a hard time accepting Jack as being one of the greatest heavyweights ever. Just think about it, a black man in the 1900 ,with a all but not so nice kkk audience watching the fight. He was called everything in the book,and still whip Big Jim's ass. It's sad to know that the kkk is still watching.
Oh god, quit it with that shit. In the early 20th century there were literally millions of KKK members, compared to today with way less than even 10,000.
... watching you closely, mikey...
It's not a lot of people. He was one of the greats but had a lot of losses/draws. Marciano and Calzaghe for instance never lost.
Jack was a pioneer, but he also set back blacks in boxing too. He trolled the whites by dating white women, wearing flashy clothes and generally not giving AF. So that brought extra heat and some fuel for closing championship boxing down to black people for a while after jack. I would put Joe Louis as the real pioneer that led to true opening in heavyweight boxing. Johnson def seemed like more fun though 🙂
Jack Johnson would have been an amazing MMA fighter. His clinch game was beautiful here. Q
You're on to something. MMA has much in common with boxing as it existed under The London Prize Ring Rules. Under those regulations, rounds did not end until someone was knocked down, a boxer could throw his opponent to the ground, grabbing someone's hair with one hand and pummeling him with your other hand was allowed. These were bare knuckle fights, no gloves or hand wrappings. These were usually finish fights, in other words, battles that continued until someone was knocked out or could no longer continue. Kicking was not allowed. When a round ended, you went back to your corner and had 30 seconds to rest and recover. Then you returned to the center of the ring and placed your foot on a marked out line and begin fighting again. This was called toeing the mark or coming to scratch. John L Sullivan became heavyweight champion under those rules and lost the title under our modern system in 1892. Many people believe MMA is a new thing, actually it has a lot in common with the past.
@@timothyhughes1904 Thanks for the lesson in history.
He was way ahead of his Time. 1love
Good eye. Boxing now looks different because of huge gloves [which cover the center]. This is why Jack fights more like an MMA fighter, but most people don't understand. Even the stance changes with small gloves.
With 3 ounce gloves, it's amazing more men weren't killed in the ring back then. In some of those fights, there was no limit to the number of rounds fought, as the fight wasn't over until one of the fighters surrendered, was knocked out, or was too badly injured for the fight to continue. Those were brutal times. That celluloid film is in remarkable condition considering it is 109 years old.
Thing is with lighter gloves the hands weren’t well protected which meant they had to be careful not to break a knuckle. Modern gloves protect the hands much more making it possible for boxers punch the living daylights out of each other without worrying about hand damage, so in one way it’s worse now than it was then.
@@frankieRandle8779 with those thin gloves, more energy was transferred with each punch. I think what makes the punches more damaging today, is that the fighters are much stronger, faster, and much heavier. Back in the day, most heavyweight fighters were well under 200 pounds. Look at the speed, power and ferocity of Mike Tyson when he was in his prime. There is no comparison to the fighters of the 1800s.
@@Mbartel500 yes that’s right although there are exceptions - when Dempsey fought Willard he was 14 st but still gave away 3st to Willard at 17st.
@@frankieRandle8779 i did say most…which means not all were under 200 pounds. Jack Johnson was over 200 pounds and over 6 feet tall. He was literally a giant in his era.
Both of these fighters would be slaughtered by today's heavyweights. There is no way we can compare the outdated boxing styles of those years with those of today though. Johnson was a tough guy. By today's standards his skills were very limited.
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
20 rounds? You think Jack Dempsey would take Johnson 20 rounds? Dempsey came at you, both these men wave their arms around, no hard jab.
youre stupid johnson had a jab and landed it OFTEN , he would do a prime Dempsey worse than Tunney did him(
@@samtotheg
No need for name calling.
You pathetic putz.
@@TheBatugan77 dumbass you couldn't help yourself
@@samtotheg 👈👺 Watch it, son!
Someone's having a laugh, this has to be Charlie Charlie Charles from the Fast Show 😭😃😂😅🤣
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
Amazing how modern looking the film quality is. Silent movies used to look jerk and everyone moved super fast. No more.
Holy cow I have often wondered what black people could have done with out the hate,I still shed a tear for Josh Gibson!
Doubt they would have been as great without the pressure!
Don't bring your racism here ahole.
Rick Higson: my dad saw Josh Gibson play in PR and said he was the greatest hitter he ever saw!
Even though the fight was scheduled for 20 rounds, these rounds appear to be 2 minutes instead of the 3 minute rounds we have today.
20 x 2 = 40 minutes. 12 x 3 = 36. Only 4 minutes difference or 1.3 extra 3 minute rounds more in time).
Johnson could fight backing up like Ali always in position not a dancer but perfect timing if he needed counter controled the tempo of the fight almost impossible too hit!? You could sense the hesitantcy of Moran when he tried to penetrate Johnson’s defense!!Why was he so good and confident because Johnson learned how to fight by putting ten men in the ring together and the last man standing was the winner so he became a great defensive and offensive fighter ! ! He looked too me like he was not even trying to exert himself but if he had to he could have knocked Moran out any time he wanted to.! I am an ex amateur boxer and I also sparred with professional boxer’s some things are just instinctive ! !👍🏼👍🏼🥊🎯🧐😊
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boxing back then was about endurance and stamina
Sure wasn't about hitting.
20 rounds
That just " SOUNDS " FREAKY
20 rounds! That’s impressive. Johnson would have been a good wrestler.
No wonder they went 20 rounds, nothing happened
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
Apart from Johsnons KO loss to Willard I believe this was his toughest title defense (at least on film). Moran had his moments.
JJ usually fought men much smaller than him. Middleweights, an occasional lt heavy. Goes to show you he was not as great as he was made out to be. I think he fought 3 maybe 4 legit hwts. And he also ducked all the good black fighters of his era. What great champ does that.
@@hdvictoryford5329 I respect JJ's accomplishments especially in lieu of the hostile environment he faced because of his race. But I too have difficulty ranking him talent and ability wise as one of the best of all time. The opponents he faced and didn't face during his reign to me is very telling. I wonder too if modern fans who hold his abilities in such high esteem would feel differently of film existed of his title defenses against middle weight Jack O'Brien or against the very average Jim Johnson both of whom by all accounts did very well against Johnson.
@@andrewr62 Good thoughts. I appreciate your objectivity. You have me thinking as well if those fights would be around. Or the fight he had with C Choy who knocked him cold. Appreciate your comments.
@@hdvictoryford5329 He would have been smoked if he fought Sam Langford for the title. Johnson was innovative and a good fighter but was really not even the greatest of his time, and cherry-picked opponents. Fighters like Dempsey, Gibbons or Louis would have done away with Johnson easy
Maybe ducked them while champ but he fought them and defeated them before he was champ
CRAZY NOW IS 2020 I THINK I'M BACK IN FUTURE WATCHING BOXES
Respect to all the black athletes back than so we can continue our greatness today
Must have been pretty hard for those guys. Most modern dark skin athletes get the money but don't even come close to to the men those guys were.
@Steve Witte Wow, you are really unpleasant. Why?
Not against Tyson Fury.
Wow lots of misinformation.
Looks more like a wrestling match to me
Mutiple not sane people on forums said this man could beat guys like frazier/ali/liston/rocky yet never fought guys as advanced as fighters those guys fought
This looks trash
Moran's record was 26-9-4 prior to this fight. Both men used standard 6 ounce gloves as was the case of most of the previous 30 years.
3oz he said
.@@scottthefunk He makes a number of mistakes
Dull fight the much older Johnson holding most of the fight
After just watching the awkward incomplete stylist that was Johnson and in the recent aftermath of Klitschko's dominance of Jennings at the advanced age of 39 for a boxer, it clearer than ever that Vladimir Klitschko has not received his proper and due recognition because he has not allowed himself to become the exclusive promotional property of either Don King or Bob Arum, amongst the two biggest thieving exploiters of boxers in boxing history.
Unlike Don King and/or Bob Arum properties, he has not been fed the usual stream of American retreaded bums to defend the title in order to protect the Promoters' bank accounts. Instead, over Klitschko's career has defended his title against the best and most qualified fighters from every continent and nation, including those of Africa and from the former Soviet's eastern block nations. That alone should be indicative that he is far better than the vast majority of modern era Heavyweight Champions.
Vladimir Klitschko has earned a seat in the exclusive Valhalla Hall of best Heavyweight Champions, alongside Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Mohammad Ali, and George Foreman.
Period!
different era's. So that's irrelevant
he will be remembered as a heavyweight champion...sure..but nowhere near the class of Ali. he was nailed to the floor a couple of times by middling men and was completely outboxed by Tyson Fury the only time he faced a talented boxer his own size. Wlad was a dominant champion in a very poor era and still got ko'd a couple of times...and was made to look clueless by Fury as I said.
+jakenconor COMPARATIVE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONS' CAREERS:
A - - WladimIr Klitschko (born 25 March 1976)
is 39 years old and was l going strong until very recently, beating the best heavyweights all over the world (he's not just fighting Don King or Bob Arum stumblebum gatekeepers)
B - - Larry Holmes (born November 3, 1949)
Holmes was 36 years old when he lost his title when he was defeated by a natural middleweight Michael Spinks.
Holmes was 39 years old when he was knocked out by the
exciting to watch but a comparative bum nonetheless, Mike Tyson
C - - Muhammad Ali;(born January 17, 1942)
Ali was 31 years old when he lost his title to a brain
challenged Leon Spinks
Ali was 36 years old when he lost his title to a talent
limited Ken Norton.
Ali was 38 years old when he lost to slightly better than
average heavyweight Larry Holms.
Ali was 39 years old when he lost to the untalented bum
Trevor Berbick.
+BrutalTruth1 haha Jack is a bit quicker and would eventually bleed Klit out for a UD or late TKO
History proves you wrong. His bro was probably better too
Worst than today's bollocks, nothing happening, no boxing, just holding 👎
some not sane odd person said this to me, I've seen your videos on Deontay, as well as your ones on Wlad and the 70s-90s comparison. I find most of it disagreeable, mainly with how you describe the techniques being shown in their respective clips. I agree that Galento, Baer, Braddock, and Carnera were crude boxers, but they were also seen as crude for their own time. I also agree with Marciano's technique being vastly overrated. I disagree with your views on Louis the most. In fact, I think Louis looks great in most of the footage that you use to try and prove your point. In the 70s-90s video, you use Carnera footage to argue that Louis has stiff and sluggish movement, but Louis is moving beautifully in that footage. He's constantly circling with Carnera, moving in and out, feinting, using head movement, parrying, and slipping his jab, while peppering him at will with his own jabs. You argue that Louis looks unsure of himself, but I'd say he looks extremely confident and that Carnera is the only one looking terrified. Carnera has a decent jab but overall looks crude, but Louis looks like a modern boxer in that fight. It's the same case for the footage you use for the Baer fight. You argue that Louis looks sluggish, lacks upper and lower body movement, and can't effectively punch from range or punch while moving. I disagree; in fact, I think Louis pretty much does this in the examples you use. Louis is effortlessly jabbing and hooking from range and is doing it incredibly smoothly. He's using nuanced lateral movement and punching beautifully while doing it. He's dominating the crude Baer like any great boxer would. In your Deontay video, you use a terrified Schmeling getting bulldozed by a rushing Louis in a minute as an example of how Louis and Schmeling can't fight from range or manage distance. I don't think that's really fair; it's clear from the other fights that Louis knows how to use range, angles, and manage distance. I also don't think Louis looks horrible at all here; in fact, he's constantly feinting and anxious to parry that right hand, since you emphasize looking at their hands. They both do well at defending themselves on the inside at 1:18-1:25. Very tight guards. Schmeling cleverly blocks, then rolls Louis' punches at 0:54. I don't think this is the best exampleofr either of their technical brilliance, but I don't think they look bad either. It's important to note that Schmeling said that he was scaredsh*tlesss before the figh, and basically lost before the fightbegan,n like Spinks against Tyson. You also use a pastprime,e Louis and Conn, who had just fought 4 years in the war, from their 1946 fight as your example for why they're inefficient at range, mostly punch just when they stop, stand in front of their opponents waiting to be hit, and even in thiscase,e I still disagree with you. The past prime, basically shot Billy Conn effectively uses lateral movement and isn't predictable with it, parries and overall defends himselfwell,l and jabs from range well. I still think theydido all of these things much better in their first match, especially Conn. I also don't think a pastprime minister,e Ezzard Charles, who reportedly had symptoms of ALS as early as 1951, is the best example to use to define that era's techniques either. Same with the Moore and Dempsey clips. Dempsey,Charles,s and Moore didn't fight like that normally atall,l and when you watch their fights in fulllength,h that becomes clear. Dempsey displays crisp head movement and good technique in his fights with Brennan, Gibbons, and in his training footage with Bill Tate. He even displays good defenseand,d attimes,s technique in his past prime footage against Sharkey and Tunney. 4- yea- old Moore was cooking Marciano at range in the early rounds of their fight, and effectivelydefendingd himself while countering Rock.,Evennthen,n I find Moore's performances against Bivins and Davidson much more impressive. Charles looks modern in his fight against Lloyd Marshall. They're all much more skilled than Deontay.
Can you watch my video of Deon/Foreman Louis Vid and tell me if you see anybody that fought Deon or himself or if anybody I showed Foreman fought or himself was less skilled or using the same obsolete tech as the guys I compared them to?
Built like Tyson, but at 6ft 2 (maybe 3) inches!!
An athletic phenomenon with an advantage physically that very few ever just naturally possess...A great among World Heavyweight Boxing Champions...
The Mike Tyson, Big George Foreman, or Sonny Liston of his age and era...and a truly legendary character to go with it. A true Boxing Legend.
Johnson was only 6' 1/2", weighed 192 when he beat burns, 200 in later prime so was nowhere near as muscular as the 5'10-11" 215-220 pound Tyson.
@@DrLeroyArch I would not include Tyson with these boxers, he was a freak of nature fighter.
Johnson certainly had a great boxers body!...He and Ken Norton looked similar in musculature and reach...Jack fought his best at about 208...Remember, he was already 30 when he finally won the Belt!...many fighters are past their prime by then...but Johnson had a rather contained, economical style of boxing, he really knew how to pace himself...I think this helped him last as long as he did...losing a title at 37 is no disgrace!
Moran one tough guy to go the distances against Johnson.
Side note. Nether fighter- Johnson or Moran was paid for the fight. The police seized the box office money.
If that's true after 20 rds. all I can say is "WOW".......Fucked Up
Please tell me you're joking bro
Fckg cops.
J.Johnson was a true great of the ring,.. Great defense, and superb power and catlike reflexes..made him a formidable opponent..and definitely in the top 6 of ALL-TIME
A guy with zero guard doesn't have 'great defence' in my book
@@RTC1655 read a book on boxing then, hopefully one that starts with parrying and arm trapping.
Georges Carpentier, the famous French boxer (and WW1 Hero) is the referee for this fight. He would win the world light heavyweight title but famously get knocked out by Jack Dempsey for the heavyweight title. Interestingly enough, Carpentier, fighting in the U.S., was the fan favorite against Dempsey, as many fans saw Dempsey as a draft dodger.
Hey rsmorodinov! Thanks for posting this amazing piece of boxing treasure. Exclnt clarity. Good commentary, too.
Boxing styles then were adapted to extremely long bouts. Three rounds of amateur boxing is very taxing, I know from experience. 20 rounds is way beyond the capacity of most men.
Johnson paced himself for the long haul. But he could have adapted his style to 15 round matches. He could have learned to box with his hands up, elbows in, and work off his jab rather than stick and hold. Anyway, its just not possible to compare his ability to that of guys who came 100 years later.
PS Jason Richards gives us very interesting information. However, the actual shooting in WWI didn't begin until August 1914. Those idiot kings in Europe had plenty of opportunity to avoid what is the stupidest war in World History. (With his lies abt WMDs, #WarCriminal Bush 43 started the most dishonest war in World History.)
EVERYTIME I watch Johnson fight, I can't help but think Andersson Silva tailored his style after him, they fight almost a like.
These are 3 oz. gloves. Old film but I can still see that Moran's face is a crimson mask. Ali or Klitschko might have survived 20 rounds with the giant. I doubt any of you keyboard punchers would last 1 round with either one of these pugilists.
I would.
That is best comment ever. Moran looked pretty good early probably unlucky to meet Jack any other time would have been champ
largelester I could barely last watching to the end of the fight!!
largelester And I'm getting tired just typing this note.Wait...I'm taking a break...Ok,as I was saying,bloody hell 20 rounds!
The background crowd audio is on a loop
The entire audio was dubbed in. All they had was silent films in 1914.
@@TheBatugan77 June 27, 1914, you simp who can't read.
Folks in comments are comparing these fighters to modern fighters. This is ridiculous. It’s like comparing a chess champ from modernity with those from 100 years ago. Pointless as the game progresses and players have higher rankings now. Players, fighters, and athletes progress over time. Strategy, nutrition, sports science, technology, training, coaching, etc. etc. improve over time. Just like planes are faster now. To ponder who was the greatest of all time, in any endeavour, one would have to rank an individual’s superiority over the competition of their time. The historical record indicates that nobody was close to Johnson in his time. This dispute the fact there was a bias against him since he was black. By virtue of his record, his superiority and length of time he was champion, Jack Johnson clearly was one of the greatest boxers of all time. Naturally he wouldn’t stand a chance over a modern athlete.
Yes he would.
Cut the crap, son.
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@@TheBatugan77name the guys who made amatuer/mid fighting like these guys in 70s-90s
Their defense is slick, lots of feinting and switching up timing to land jabs. Lots of clinching and fighting coming in and out of the clinch. Jersey joe Walcott and Floyd Mayweather did a lot of this I wonder if they're fans of Johnson
Mayweather doesn’t really show much respect to any fighter who has a single loss, but that may just be publicly.
The background noise is annoying, it’s annoying and only there to make the commentary seem realistic but it’s on a loop and sounds cheap.
I think you are wrong. If jack Johnson was a seventies fighter like around the ali, frazier, foreman etc times, he would have being big trouble for all fighters of that time. Back in Jack Johnson days they TRAINED completely different and had not got the proper facilities as they had in then modern era.
Be unbeatable today.
thank God somebody though to film these old fights!
Schedule for 20 rounds insane
Looks more like a wrestling match to me.
Fabulous - HE was GREAT JACK J. Beautiful body for a HUGE boxing STATUE x
Johnson was a puncher's nightmare.
Great narration .It is like looking at a fight as it actually happens .
Try and imagine that most of us today have the privilege of watching fights streamed on television but back then audiences only could listen by radio if they weren’t actually at the arenas. Wow!
Different fight game then, smaller gloves, you can hit your opponent before he got up after a knockdown.
No, you had to wait until (at least) his gloves were off the floor. The only difference was that you didn't have to retire to a neutral corner, and there was no standing eight count or three knockdown rule.
As I commented on the post underneath this one, I saw in my peripheral vision the footwork of the fighters.
Normally, I'd be distracted by the punches they were throwing, but here all I could see were their legs moving around the ring.
And now it's clear: A boxing match really is a kind of dance. (Sure, it's a dance with bad intentions, but....)
A close fight as Johnson looked a little fatigued from 15th round on. Good thing that he dominated the early half of the fight...
"Coloured" is antiquated, lingo nowadays...
Count the number of jabs thrown in this fight, it’s easy.
I was watching cringing at how many times a jab could have been thrown right down the middle. But it was a different style back then.
@@mrtony80 Yeah, the 'no defence' style was the way people fought back then. It would take another 20 years before the guard was discovered.
I admire Johnson's defensive boxing style for 1914 real innovative for that time. but I do get tired of Johnson's clinches and hitting style. There are really no consistent jabs from either fighter just the left arm hanging to Johnson's side to parry against punches. As for Frank Moran who seems scared to death to bring it to Johnson, he just tries to keep his distance from Johnson and try to survive the rounds. Frank seems too tight and not loose to let his punches fly he just stands there letting Johnson hit him at will. When Frank tries to charge in Johnson simply clinches old Frankie. This clinching fight was boring and an easy win for Johnson. Boxing fans what do you think.?
This fight just proves one thing clearly JJ was not a great hwt. He was not a good champ. He did not fight the black fighters of his time, why? He could have but did not. Second most of the guys he fought were small, by todays measure middleweights or lt heavy. FM, was a tough guy with little boxing skill. And at 190 pounds JJ had his hands full with this guy. Moran was fearless, and if JJ was half as good as some say he was, Moran should have been gone by the third round. JJ was bold and outspoken and a pioneer in boxing. Don't twist it, Joe Choy knocked him silly and Joe was between a middle and lt heavy finghter. That would never happen to a great heavyweight in any era.
Oh, I don’t think THIS fight proves much of anything. JJ was 36, and although there’s a lot of his career you can’t see from surviving films, you can see that JJ had the middle aged spread and overall softness of physique that you didn’t see in the footage of the Burns and Jeffries fights. Just like I don’t think it’s fair to judge the greatness of Louis vs. Marciano, that of Ali from the first Spinks fight, or that of Holmes vs. Tyson, I don’t think you can assess JJ’s career by this fight. Plus, it was documented in Geoffrey Ward’s bio of Johnson that he thought he had a deal for Moran to take a dive - Ward quoted a document signed by Johnson that said, “I hereby agree to divide receipts of my contest with Frank Moran on June 27th on a basis of forty percent to Moran and sixty percent to me provided that Frank Moran loses inside of eight rounds.” He apparently didn’t know that the deal was off until after the fight was underway.
@@donovanboyd2791 Life is not fair my friend. And watching JJ we do not know a lot about his conditioning. And age, well look what George Forman did with that gutt he had. JJ while being older also had his ring savy. Looks like he forgot to use it,lol. And at 36 If he was as great as many think. That age should or could put him in prime range. Strength athelete's don't hit their prime till later in life. At 36 if he was as great as some would have you believe FM should not have been an issue. Watch their styles. And again FM was much smaller even though he was very musclular. And JJ could not put him away. FM had his tenacity and toughness. Little to no boxing skills. Yet JJ could not figure him out. No this fight clearly exposes JJ weaknesses. And his only strength which was fightting smaller men. And avoiding blacks as well as any who might beat him. And the Williard fight proved JJ had no skills.
mark ford We can see fat where we didn’t see it before. It’s possible that JJ was different from all other known humans, but everywhere else that I’ve seen, a fat version of an athlete has a lower conditioning level than a younger, trim and cut version of the same guy. 36 might be within the range of prime for “strength” athletes, as you say, but most boxers aren’t just strength athletes. The example you cite, Big George, is probably the best example of a guy who could rely on just his strength, which is why he could be successful as an old fat guy. Almost all other top flight heavyweights are well on their downhill side at 36. Jersey Joe Walcott is a notable exception, but look at his physique - all muscle, and no fat! If we are to believe that JJ was a normal human athlete, we can’t believe that this version was anywhere near the best version of him. Especially since he thought this was fixed in his favor.
@@donovanboyd2791 Brah you are repeating yourself. Even Ali as he got older carried more fat. It does not provide the excuse you are looking for. When Ali fought GF, he was clearly carrying more fat, he fought a brilliant tactical fight. The extra weight did not stop a great fighter from being great. some how in your mind it reverses when it comes to JJ, his extra weight stopped hime from knocking out Moran, that is making up excuses to foster your idea that JJ was great when in reality he was medicore at best. He clearly could not deal with a strong man. And when he fought bigger men instead of the shorter, middleweights of his time, he clearly had issues. And when some one was even a little bigger or stronger, ie JW, Jack lost his confidence completely and got his ass kicked. Forget your theory of being over weight, does not fly, it just an excuse to cover up JJ's lack of talent as a boxer.
mark ford I’m repeating myself, because, as an American President once said, “Facts are stubborn things,” and you haven’t yet faced any of them. Bringing up examples that don’t compare doesn’t cut it. Ali was 32 when he fought GF and was never in that good shape again. If you looked only at his fight when he was the same age as JJ fought Moran, you’ve got a fat Ali losing to small, less than 10 fights Leon Spinks. By your logic, you can go over to the comments on that fight and say, like you said here, “This proves that he wasn’t great.” Do you say that? And you’re not helping your case by mischaracterizing what I said. I said that “THIS” fight doesn’t prove anything about his claimed greatness. How many JJ fights have you seen? Are you 120? If so, congrats, but if not, only 6 of his fights survive on film in public circulation. And none of those are complete. Are you sitting on a priceless private collection? If so, make yourself a bunch of $$ and sell so they can be shared. But if you are like most living souls, you didn’t see him beyond the pieces of those six fights, and parts of six fights isn’t enough to tell you whether anyone is great or not when they’re of this quality. I don’t know if he was great, and unless you’re pretty old or the beneficiary of a secret film collection, you don’t know if he wasn’t.
To be fair, he was past it against Willard, and he had to be a lazy type fighter because of the sheer # of rounds and fights then. He liked to clinch because it tired opponents and conserved his own. And he was doing well till he got KO'd against Willard. And, he was the one who exposed Louis's flaws. And, Louis's trainer himself said that Johnson would 'win any day of the week' against Louis
ali when he was casus clay will beat easy jack johnson ,to slow and not bigger then casus 6' 1 1/2 '' ali 6' 3 1/2 '' also tyson fury easy fight for both way to slow jack.
No wonder American boxing fans loved watching Dempsey. Johnson was a brilliant defensive boxer, but also a fucking snooze fest.
I like Johnson's head movements and he's great in the clinch...but I can't see him winning against Louis, Walcott, Charles, Ali, possibly Liston and Dempsey too, and maybe Frazier, Tunney and Schmeling. I think he could beat only Marciano, Lewis, Foreman and Tyson of the greats, if he avoided to be knocked out of course
Larry Holmes said he could have beaten all of the old-time fighters except Jack Johnson.
any sportsmen today would win against their one century ago equivalent. It is useless to compare.
Jack Johnson was great, but Lewis would have destroyed him. I find it strange that Lewis still is so underrated. He was quite likely the best HW of all time.
Wow this narrator seems pretty mixed up. Gets so many things wrong! Johnson didn't fight two or three times a night. Very few if any fighters of the period would do that.
Regardless of opinions from mostly non fighters, boxers from this era were just as good, learn your history first. Read the rules that were less , the gloves were a lot smaller, etc.
Someone with a brain to talk about boxing. Finally!!! Thanks.
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I'll just say Les Darcy. Australian legend of this time who died in tje States in mysterious circumstances after causing a furore back home for refusing to enlist. Hmmm sounds familiar
This was a very boring fight. It is fascinating to be able to look back more than 100 years, but the fight itself was boring.
Commentary says Moran comes in unbeaten in 24 fights,totally wrong,he had already lost 7 times!
World War II actually starts the day after this fight with the assignation of Ferderland of Austria.
Imagine this today. A 20 round heavy weight fight. Most can't last ten!
@Baby Doc Duvalier Nah, he only forgets that it's the amount of punches that counts, not the amount of rounds. HWs of today do probably punch nearly twice as hard as these guys and with a much higher punch output.
Carpentier could have only been 20 years old when he refereed this fight.
These guys are banging into eachother like a car crash.
Sean O'Blabbermourh is still pissed that Moran got his face tattooed with Johnson's fists
Majority of heavyweights got that. Johnson uses that uppercut very good in close. It's a shame he never really got tested in his prime.
If they must insist on adding modern commentary to old fight footage,they should at least research the fighters properly.Jack Johnson beat Tommy Burns for the title,not Stanley Ketchel.Ketchel came later,s.m.h.
I can't help but feel that a fighter with a solid left jab (LIke a Larrry Holmes) would have been very effective against Johnson. Apparently Moran didn't know how to throw a straight hard left. He just pawed with it.
johnson knew how to parry ...holmes wouldnt get his jab in at all ...and in the clinches jack destroys him
Moran goes in with his face down too much. His attacks were not aggressive enough.
Bottom line is this.Ali would have waxed the both of these guys azzes..Matter of fact Ali would have beaten every heavy weight in history..Jerry Quarry would have beaten the snot out of both these fighters...Guess they were good in the day..Tell ya what Cooney would have knocked Johnson out...Holmes would have slaughtered both of these guys..My girl hates when I talk fights but she gets a little interested in a couple fighters...She's black and not a racist what so ever...She told me that black woman secretly like white men but they can't verbalize it because the. lack guys have a fit..Light skinned but real classy...I see it more and more now
+Don Brown Dude, how drunk were you when you wrote this?
+Nigelxman Ahahahahahah
she lied
JaHaddy Jael he's probably telling the truth.im white and all I have ever been with is black woman and they really do like white men and he's right they really just don't verbalize it.
Donny brown, You wrote, "Holmes would have slaughtered both of these guys". Watch the boxing documentary CHAMPIONS FOREVER hosted by Reggie Jackson. During the dinner portion the immortal Larry Holmes said, "I could have beat Ali, Louis, and Marciano. The only one that would have given me trouble was Jack Johnson". I may be paraphrasing a little, but that is the crux of what 'the Easton Assassin' said. Jack Johnson would have presented a challenge to ANY past or present heavyweight boxer.
The “undefeated” Frank Moran who lost his second fight by knockout? Who got knocked out in a single round by George Kid Cotton? Who’s corner threw in the towel in the 7th round against Jim Savage? Who lost decisions to Tony Ross and Jack Geyer and a 20 round decision to Gunboat Smith? Oh yes the “undefeated” Frank Moran with a record of 26-9-4 leading into this fight. Maybe he’s dyslexic and thought the 9 was a 0
Both Fighters never got paid for this fight, Dan McKetrick the promoter had a dispute with Moran over the contract and had the monies from the fight put into escrow through his french lawyer. Within 48 hours the lawyer was called to fight in WW1. He got killed in the war and the monies were being held under the lawyer's name, so neither of the fighters or the promoter ever got paid. That's the story, but who could trust Dan McKetrick. He later in life was involved in a 100,000 seat stadium in Long Island City that Dempsey was to fight at, but it was never built:
www.pugilistica.com/bonecl1chlhe.html
Thanks for posting
Those assholes...
(Promoters)
Johnson just controlled this, took over and punished Moran.
3 oz gloves...ouch. makes for a boring fight. imagine tommy hearns with 3 oz gloves. how could there be a 20 round fight and not 1 knockdown?
FANTASTIC VIDEO!! THANKS!!
Good commentating on this fight
truly fascinating on so many levels; thank you for posting this
Why hasn't Hollywood made a film about Johnson???
Does anyone know what year this fight occurred?
It’s not moe- ran it’s more - Anne. Phonetically.
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Um...TMI.
he gets loads of things wrong he first fought for the title against tommy burns in 1909 not ketchel who challenged him as the middleweight champion.
TheDarleyarabian 1908*
Johnston a very unpopular man ? Amongst white's yes?
Respected but hated
Do you all know how racist it was back then smh
WAY too much holding and hitting, clinching, and pushing in this fight. Most of the blows come from clinching not fighting it out. Very few combinations and LOTS of holding. Mostly wearing the opponent down with not much definitive mastery from either side or a clear cut victory from actual skills other than maybe size. Pushing people around, wearing them out, and THEN hitting them isn't much in terms of ability in my perspective. No skill just brute force.
GivesAShit of your perspective?
You all have to remember that one hundred years of boxing science, training and style techniques and fitness followed Jack Johnson. Jack Johnson won his World Title against Canadian Tommy Burns at Rushcutters Bay in my hometown, Sydney, Australia. The site, originally was built out of timber for a 'two-man show' to get around local authorities, remained a stadium until the 1960's. It was the largest gate to the day. Now it's now an elevated train line. I remember going to the stadium many times in my younger days.
The first modern boxer/fighter World Champion was Jack Dempsey and the first, truly scientific boxer who became World Champion was Gene Tunney, a former US Army heavyweight champion. He defeated Jack Dempsey twice. Gene Tunney became a lawyer and I think, a US Congressman, as did his son Gene Jr. I travelled to New York to have a dinner at Jack Dempsey's Restaurant on Broadway. Was on my Bucket List?
Boxing and its traditions do get into your blood!
Looks more like a wrestling match.
Looks like you should mind your own fkg business, petey.