We Are Rip City it's a horrible argument. just because people use sports as a form of escapism doesn't mean athletes shouldn't be able to protest something they feel strongly about.
1a 2b okay, but why can't they do it after the game or before and protest in a way that is more impactful to the cause and less disrespectful to the flag??!!
well, it is done before the game. secondly, the national anthem is viewed as a pretty sacred thing. protesting it before an NFL game while millions of people are watching has a pretty big impact, no? and what does "disrespecting the flag" even mean? despite what your childhood pledge of the allegiance brainwashing taught you, kneeling during the national anthem doesn't mean you hate america and want to burn the country to the ground.
Bernard Brunu actually the majority voted for Hillary the minority voted for trump but the minorites views were inline with the electoral college's views and therefore he got the nod for presidency the thing we have to acknowledge is we are not a democracy we're a republic and that needs to be changed
"there is a need in civil society for places that we can go where we don't have to fight" thanks for so succinctly explaining and defending safe spaces, will cain!
Espn, do you ever post a full segment? It’s so annoying being a First Take fan but if you don’t catch it live, you can’t watch it. Undisputed posts full videos so I’ve had to make the switch. Let me know when you start posting the full discussion again.
Let them be hypocrites. Democrats are soooo damn lost, apparently so is first take. I use to like this show just like I use to be a Democrat before Hillary literally cheated sanders but NO ONE is talking about that of course 😂😂😂
Number 1 Lebron Fan patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/19/tom-brady-explains-why-he-missed-white-house-trip-under-barack-obama/ you shouldn't make things up.
+Tod Wilkinson No we made sports. You think if we played in a different league everyone would still be watching you guys? Nope they'd still be watching us.
SORRY GUYS BUT IF YOU WANT SPORTS TO JUST BE ABOUT SPORTS, THEN YOU CAN START BY REMOVING THE ANTHEM FROM THE BEGINNING OF SPORTING EVENTS. THE TEAMS FOR THR MOST PART ARE PLAYING TEAMS FROM AMERICA UNTIL THE OLYMPICS. because yes, the anthem is political. Think about it
They only do this shit in the stupid United States of America, they don't do this shit in real football cause nobody got time for all em extra shit. Who the fuck wants to keep repeating a national anthem every league game ? That's stupid as fuck.
Golden.Boy actually, we do get to escape. If uve heard it once uve heard it all, what's the sense in listening to the same convo repeated over and over again.
really Max...white privilege? Asians have the highest median household income in the US. Why aren't there protests against Asians? btw I'm Asian haha. The one thing I agree with Max is that Trump shouldn't have called NFL players "sons of bitches", that's pretty low coming from a President. Also his tweeting has gone a little overboard
Hanno Pena You don't even know anything about me and you wanna say my life is easy? If anything you are the pitiful one. I don't have a problem with them kneeling, raising their fist or anything. It's their right! Would I do it? No, but that's just me opinion. I never said there isn't any racism with people of color. You just went all over the place. Settle down keyboard warrior👌
Hanno Pena And I'm very aware that there's still racism in the country unfortunately. I'm white and I have no issue what the players are doing and do believe people of color are looked different because of their skin color which is just plan stupid. My son might be looked at did because he is mixed with Spanish and black. Basically you are going off on the wrong person! Nothing wrong with wanting to watch a sport game that's just FUN and not political.
Lebrons tweet is the 12th most tweet of all time. Expect SAS to bring this up when he inevitably says he’s “controlling the narrative” and needs to stay off social media to “lick his proverbial wounds”
Disappointed with the warriors for being childish and not respecting the Office of the President.. They have a change to express their concerns. Such a waste.. Btw Trump and liberals are talking about daca. warriors are so weak. 3-1 chokers.
Hillary for Prison. FeelTheBern No Not Really And 3-1 Chokers Line Is So Old Don't U Mean 4 Games To 1 Over LeBron New NBA Champions So Show Them Some Respect And It Doesn't Matter What U Say To Trump He Won't Listen
i cant protest outside issues while i'm at work... go to work.. protest on your own time... your supposed to be entertaining the public in your job... not protesting and whining about personal issues. Trump unified a troubled league with one statement.. and nobody even realizes it. maga
sounds like they are even less oppressed than i ever imagined then. either way... no football fan tunes in to see drama... real sports fans still exist
Major Marketing the millions of dollars Kap donated, the suits he donated to the less fortunate so they can get a job, the time he spends fighting injustice for all not just black people...and then you have Trump the guy who used his trip to Houston as a photo opportunity, then sold the hat he was wearing to idiots like yourself the same trump who dodged the service draft 9999 times but wants to send American kids to a war we can't afford and don't want...
"We should say what we would do, not judge others for their decisions." Cool. But I hope Will Cain remembers that the next time he decides to attack the character of pro athletes, which he seems to do on a daily basis on this show. Go look back at his quotes on DeAndre Jordan's decision to stay in LA, KD's decision to go to GSW, Richard Sherman's comments on the league, and TO's overall NFL career. Yeaaa he def didn't call them immature and selfish and unethical and "weak" 🙄🙄🙄
Sports and politics never mixed well and should be as separate as possible. The viewers and audience are the most important factors in sports and they just want to see a sporting event without all this unnecessary politics.
Will Cain also does get that the PODUS is not supposed to tell people to fire their employees who choose to exercise their right to protest, whether on the job or not. The NFL players better be taking note and start thinking about the next players union contract. A lot of these owners will probably try to impose new code of conduct rules about game time behavior.
Don’t know who the last guy talking is but was his argument that lots of people happily have their head in the sand on societal issues and we should let them stay that way? That mentality is literally why everything is hitting like a brick wall today
Exactly! Hard working Americans that pay good money to watch their favorite team(s) should not be dragged into this. Players and organizations should protest after, or outside. Not that the fans don’t care, but we also want our money’s worth not have to argue with the person next us wether we agree if kneeling is the right, or wrong thing to do.
I thought that fly was on my computer, almost slapped the shit out of my monitor
YGThaBeast lol
Me too! LOL
YGThaBeast. Thanks 4 the warning!
Me too haha
Deadass was about to say that... I thought it was like a flee or a mosquito
Just here to hear SAS say "As a black man in America"
Edit: I was disappointed
Avery Bradley's Son lmao everytime in a racial debate lmao
Avery Bradley's Son or "As an educated black man in America"
Avery Bradley's Son
Americer*
Max you are so real bro... it's people like you that will keep the unity going.
Where's the people who's gonna say "why is he bringing race into it"?
Maurice Cain Didnt you just bring race into it with this comment?
No, Kellerman did two words into his bullshit!!!
Blacks are obsessed with race
That fly at 1:05 could smell Will's bullshit
A- Rom It wasn't bullshit tho. Fair argument
Exactly...ALL bullshit!!
We Are Rip City it's a horrible argument. just because people use sports as a form of escapism doesn't mean athletes shouldn't be able to protest something they feel strongly about.
1a 2b okay, but why can't they do it after the game or before and protest in a way that is more impactful to the cause and less disrespectful to the flag??!!
well, it is done before the game. secondly, the national anthem is viewed as a pretty sacred thing. protesting it before an NFL game while millions of people are watching has a pretty big impact, no? and what does "disrespecting the flag" even mean? despite what your childhood pledge of the allegiance brainwashing taught you, kneeling during the national anthem doesn't mean you hate america and want to burn the country to the ground.
I'm happy there was a black man in on this conversation to speak up.......
Thanks Max....c u at the next cookout =)
Max Kellerman is one of the best voices in sports.
Literally five seconds in to the second guy speaking and he is so spot on.
Will sounds like a child compared to the other two.
Vincent Theo *Stephen A Smith
Clicks on video. Hears Molly say: "Will we'll start with you."
Clicks off video.
Max is so woke.
Woke. What a stupid word. He's a self hating white person who's back is so bad because he carries this white privilege nonsense around.
j ho he self hating because he sees what people of color go through?
He's so 'woke'. Translation: He says things that fit my opinion.
So saying he's "self hating" (because he's white i assume)? You know that statement alone proves white privilege?
Tero133 okay buddy lol
So are yall not gonna talk about melo to OKC? Or wade being bought out?
At 1:00 a fly caught his face 😂😂 am I da only one who caught dat
Max is my guy now and always been following him since I remember him covering hbo boxing
Good Lord I can't stand Will Cain
To the " people who just want to watch the game" they still get to watch the game. A 2 min silent protest does not change the game whatsoever.
The president works for the people, Donald trump needs to remember that!
Connor What happened when the people refuse to accept the decision made by the majority
Bernard Brunu actually the majority voted for Hillary the minority voted for trump but the minorites views were inline with the electoral college's views and therefore he got the nod for presidency the thing we have to acknowledge is we are not a democracy we're a republic and that needs to be changed
He works for himself and took the position to benefit himself not you trash ppl.
Shaq carried kobe
Football players work for the fans..they better remember that.
"there is a need in civil society for places that we can go where we don't have to fight"
thanks for so succinctly explaining and defending safe spaces, will cain!
Max is the man
Is this CNN
Why do you all feel that DJT wants to hear what you have to say? Tired of hearing that shit used as a reason or excuse for visiting the White House.
Espn, do you ever post a full segment? It’s so annoying being a First Take fan but if you don’t catch it live, you can’t watch it. Undisputed posts full videos so I’ve had to make the switch. Let me know when you start posting the full discussion again.
The national anthem is not a place...
Thanks Bob Ley you are a wonderful person
When players were saying they wouldn't go see Obama!!!! Yall said NOTHING !!!!!!!!Hyopcrites...
arnold sanders who the fuck said that...it must of been the Olympic Russian team
+Gary Patten ....Tom Brady....Does that Ring a Bell????
Let them be hypocrites. Democrats are soooo damn lost, apparently so is first take. I use to like this show just like I use to be a Democrat before Hillary literally cheated sanders but NO ONE is talking about that of course 😂😂😂
Number 1 Lebron Fan patriotswire.usatoday.com/2017/02/19/tom-brady-explains-why-he-missed-white-house-trip-under-barack-obama/ you shouldn't make things up.
Lolololoo what. They called Brady racist for not going.
If you don't go, you are doing exactly what they want you to do. Don't let hate blind you from the opportunity to create some real change.
I am so tired of politics in sports. I don't watch much professional sports anymore because of politics.
anbs1682
Exactly the reason i watch is to get away from the week and they ruined sports
+Tod Wilkinson No we made sports. You think if we played in a different league everyone would still be watching you guys? Nope they'd still be watching us.
Tod Wilkinson whattt 😂😂😂😂
Stop saying white privilege.. how is that not inappropriate.
Someone put max in the white house
hannah backstrom please no
Anyone notice how chill SAS has been lately? Not cutting anyone off, keeping his tone down. I wonder if he's ok.
SORRY GUYS BUT IF YOU WANT SPORTS TO JUST BE ABOUT SPORTS, THEN YOU CAN START BY REMOVING THE ANTHEM FROM THE BEGINNING OF SPORTING EVENTS. THE TEAMS FOR THR MOST PART ARE PLAYING TEAMS FROM AMERICA UNTIL THE OLYMPICS. because yes, the anthem is political. Think about it
You probably think the world is flat,...cause you went and "thought about it"
Am I right?......or Left?.......think about it.
Best Wishes,
Smart Phone
You're so fucking dumb it hurts my head
I agree, I don't think the anthem should be part of sports
They only do this shit in the stupid United States of America, they don't do this shit in real football cause nobody got time for all em extra shit. Who the fuck wants to keep repeating a national anthem every league game ? That's stupid as fuck.
they play that champions league anthem before each match in soccer , so yes soccer is even more stupid as fuck and people who watch it :)
"Sport was one of those places.." What? You literally worked on a show that is predicated on argumentation, yo
Obama we miss you sir!
I miss my training wheels too.
Sincerely,
Stolen Bike
worst president ever possibly
He got his and left suckers like you in the dust.
Hsln Prz Said no one ever. Obama didn't do jack shit
Hsln Prz YASS!!!!!!!! LAWD!!!!!
lol wiped my screen at 1:06
Steph : "I quit"
Trump : "you can't quit on me, you're fired" 🤦🏽♂️
"It places the lotion in the basket"....from behind the ark.
Sincerely,
Carnies
Love
I'm so fucking sick of hearing about politics while watching sports.
That is what they don't get..
Lol sorry but you don't get to ignore the problems just because your little game is on😂
+Golden.Boy no problems..I'm ok with cops shootings criminals..
Golden.Boy actually, we do get to escape. If uve heard it once uve heard it all, what's the sense in listening to the same convo repeated over and over again.
Kevin Meehan
what u fail to realize is that it's entering sports it's in sports
That's why I stopped going on Facebook too...
The NFL made itself political by playing the national anthem before every game.
How?
Literally the other 3 leagues do that 🤦🏿♂️
good job guys
really Max...white privilege? Asians have the highest median household income in the US. Why aren't there protests against Asians? btw I'm Asian haha. The one thing I agree with Max is that Trump shouldn't have called NFL players "sons of bitches", that's pretty low coming from a President. Also his tweeting has gone a little overboard
Ever heard of the model minority? Good insight into why SOME Asian cultures thrive in America.
Drew Brees is wrong, it's a "pledge" to the flag and what it stands for.
Congrats Trump
U PLAYED YOURSELF!!!
1:12 that fly represents evil lol
Completely agree with bob.
I just wanna watch the damn games, man
Hanno Pena
You don't even know anything about me and you wanna say my life is easy? If anything you are the pitiful one. I don't have a problem with them kneeling, raising their fist or anything. It's their right! Would I do it? No, but that's just me opinion. I never said there isn't any racism with people of color. You just went all over the place.
Settle down keyboard warrior👌
Hanno Pena
And I'm very aware that there's still racism in the country unfortunately. I'm white and I have no issue what the players are doing and do believe people of color are looked different because of their skin color which is just plan stupid. My son might be looked at did because he is mixed with Spanish and black.
Basically you are going off on the wrong person! Nothing wrong with wanting to watch a sport game that's just FUN and not political.
Bruh, @1:05 I knocked my laptop off my lap.. I know i'm not the only one...smh
Lebrons tweet is the 12th most tweet of all time. Expect SAS to bring this up when he inevitably says he’s “controlling the narrative” and needs to stay off social media to “lick his proverbial wounds”
Well if the Raptors keep winning you won't have to worry about it.
Disappointed with the warriors for being childish and not respecting the Office of the President.. They have a change to express their concerns. Such a waste..
Btw Trump and liberals are talking about daca. warriors are so weak. 3-1 chokers.
Hillary for Prison. FeelTheBern ok you're a troll.
Nope. What I said is true.
Hillary for Prison. FeelTheBern No Not Really And 3-1 Chokers Line Is So Old Don't U Mean 4 Games To 1 Over LeBron New NBA Champions So Show Them Some Respect And It Doesn't Matter What U Say To Trump He Won't Listen
Nope forever 3-1 chokers
And Daca deal.
Shoutouts to Max Kellerman for saying what he said
Thank you Bob Ley
Hey buddy. last time I checked the games are still being played
i cant protest outside issues while i'm at work... go to work.. protest on your own time... your supposed to be entertaining the public in your job... not protesting and whining about personal issues. Trump unified a troubled league with one statement.. and nobody even realizes it. maga
sounds like they are even less oppressed than i ever imagined then.
either way... no football fan tunes in to see drama... real sports fans still exist
Jack Daniels Another racist privileged white person, what’s new?
Will Cain giving his watered down version of what the National Anthem really meant. Can’t make this stuff up.
college football went
nfl went
mlb went
nhl is going to go
nba bunch of crybabies
no one is crying. look at whats happening in the NFL. people can choose to do what they want who gives a shit
no other president tweets like a little teenage girl like trump does.
+Will C and the person who started this, colin kaepernick doesn't even have a job anymore. he lost almost 90 million dollars
NFL didn't go yet and won't go this year and MLB didn't go yet so wtf are you talking ab
new england patriots went and the cubs went already
why kneel for the anthem when your going to stand back up and clap cheer after it's done 😂😂😂
Trump went to Houston while these bums play ball
Major Marketing the bums that donated millions?
youmadbro951 yup those assholes. donating sons of bitches.
Major Marketing the millions of dollars Kap donated, the suits he donated to the less fortunate so they can get a job, the time he spends fighting injustice for all not just black people...and then you have Trump the guy who used his trip to Houston as a photo opportunity, then sold the hat he was wearing to idiots like yourself the same trump who dodged the service draft 9999 times but wants to send American kids to a war we can't afford and don't want...
Chris paul and kevin hart were in Houston buddy
Major Marketing and what did Trump do in Houston??
ESPN Please give Will Cain his own show so he can realize how insignificant he really is.
Bob Ley-The voice of reason
How is this a big deal and other non Black player's did not go to the W.H to see O.B!
They got Bob Lee it's serious lol
Some people don't get to escape. A week's wage is nothing to pay compared to a lifetime.
Max Kellerman is a wise, wise man
I hope Max should showed Bob Ley his backpack after the segment. SMH.
"We should say what we would do, not judge others for their decisions." Cool. But I hope Will Cain remembers that the next time he decides to attack the character of pro athletes, which he seems to do on a daily basis on this show. Go look back at his quotes on DeAndre Jordan's decision to stay in LA, KD's decision to go to GSW, Richard Sherman's comments on the league, and TO's overall NFL career. Yeaaa he def didn't call them immature and selfish and unethical and "weak" 🙄🙄🙄
Sports and politics never mixed well and should be as separate as possible. The viewers and audience are the most important factors in sports and they just want to see a sporting event without all this unnecessary politics.
Is a couple minutes before the game when the game starts u get the same product if people want to protest they get to deal with it
On ma momma I almost hit my laptop when I seen that fly
amazing max kellerman
thank you Bob ley! fuckin legend
I'm just so sick of the fact that everyday we can't stop talking about politics
Nah you don’t want Stephen Smith to speak....TRUST ME
So y'all nt gone say nth bout the fly that landed on his head tho 😂😂😂😂
Will Cain sounds like Robin aka Burt Ward from the 60s
Who else skips when will talks ?
I hated Max Kellerman on Sports Nation, I thought he just didn't fit the atmosphere. But, I do like how he always sticks up for the players.
Max woke outchea. #max4theculture 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
First guy is 100% right.
I thought it was a fly on my screen at 1:13
Does anyone watch First Take for Will? lmao
Is that 2k on the thumbnail?
If they didn't want to go, then I don't see what's the problem with him to withdraw the invitation.
They make a lot of sense. There is a right way to go about things. Mistakes made by all sides of not this debate here but between players and Trump.
Go Max! We stand with you dude😍
Wrong. Facebook was invented for college students. I actually remember when you had to have a college email address to register.
Wow sports must suck in America if they don't hear about the game itself
Of course they have to talk about the Warriors.
OGMillyMillz who should they talk about?
Will Cain also does get that the PODUS is not supposed to tell people to fire their employees who choose to exercise their right to protest, whether on the job or not. The NFL players better be taking note and start thinking about the next players union contract. A lot of these owners will probably try to impose new code of conduct rules about game time behavior.
Will Cain talks for 3 minutes before he actually says anything
Steph Curry not going to the white house will start a riot
Bob Ley the adult at the table.
Whats funny is that the Pittsburgh Penguins only has 17 Americans out of the 42 man roster... a minority lol
Everybody's right here
I just don't get why people say the kneeling is a distraction from the game. How Sway?
Don’t know who the last guy talking is but was his argument that lots of people happily have their head in the sand on societal issues and we should let them stay that way? That mentality is literally why everything is hitting like a brick wall today
Max is a beastttttt!
Anybody else notice dude at the beginning never look toward Stephen a smith😂 SMH
Exactly! Hard working Americans that pay good money to watch their favorite team(s) should not be dragged into this. Players and organizations should protest after, or outside. Not that the fans don’t care, but we also want our money’s worth not have to argue with the person next us wether we agree if kneeling is the right, or wrong thing to do.
SNL is more fun than watching sports.
That guy needs a full time position.