How on earth did you forget the most underrated and debatably 2nd worst trade of the 2010s?: the Serge Ibaka to Orlando trade. That trade set the Magic back like 5 years and they're STILL feeling the ramifications of it. For those unaware: The Magic gave up two future all-stars in Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis (who both were traded for Paul George almost straight up a year later), a decent role player in Ersan Ilyasova (who was traded for Jerami Grant almost straight up as well), and a draft pick that became Tyrese Maxey for 1/2 a season of subpar play from Serge Ibaka, a fine role player in Terrence Ross, and a far from great Markelle Fultz.
Yea, I have no faith in this guy as a researcher, story reporter and content creator. Always misses details and things like this, and doesn't go deep. Very generic material. he hasn't earned a subscription from me yet.
Maybe... or maybe they had met him and talked to him, and decided to trade him before his ego ruined the franchise. Its kind of ironic its the only franchise he hasnt sabotaged, and ppl are still like 'what if they kept him?' The answer is pretty obvious isnt it?
IIRC OKC is just short of $4mil to sign Harden. Maybe that's the big red flag for them, but to be fair they didn't do themselves favors by signing Perkins (his money could've been the difference between Harden and no Harden).
That doesn't excuse it. When you have a Finals team, you pay the tax. The amount Harden wanted was only like $3 million more than what they offered him. The tax bill would not have been very high.
People forget the extra context of the Harden trade. Not only did Harden want the star money, he also wanted to be a starter, but OKC wanted him to stay as a 6th man. And so, Harden wanted out.
@@jonhoge153 You could argue its the only bad move Presti has made as a GM. And looking at the drama and poor playoff performances of Harden it might not be
That rondo trade wasn't bad at all Jae Crowder and a first round pick for a high quality for starting PG anybody would do that trade in a heart beat. Sometimes things just don't workout.
5:43 - the team that was injured a lot traded away the pick that became a guy that missed 1 game (technically) last year, and still played in total of 83 games.
The Jazz got the Nuggets twice in the 2010s actually. They sent a 2nd round pick and cash for Gobert in 2013 who went on to 3x DPoY (should have been 6), and 3x All NBA while in Utah. The 2nd round pick was out of the league after 3 seasons, I think the cash was like 2 million. Whoever was scouting international bigs for Denver back then deserved a raise. They drafted Jokic, Gobert, and Nurkic in back-to-back drafts with late 1st or 2nd round picks... The Jazz have gone on to turn Gobert into Walker Kessler, and Keyonte George, 2 seasons of Talon Horton Tucker and the Timberwolves 2025 unprotected, 2027 unprotected, and 2029 top 4 protected 1st round picks, plus 1st round swaps in 2026 and 2028. The Gobert to T'wolves trade also is mostly responsible for the Jazz having the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 first as well. When considering 7 years of high level, game winning play, plus all the future assets now, all for a 2nd round pick and a couple mill in cash; that's about as lopsided as it gets.
An additional layer to that Kings-Sixers trade: the Celtics would use that pick on Romeo Langford who never developed for them BUT he was then used in the trade that got the Celtics Derrick White. Meaning, the Sixers gave the Celtics two architects to their playoff ineptitude 😂
I'm surprised you didn't do the 2016 draft day trade of Ibaka for Oladipo and Sabonis (Magic and OKC). Ibaka was past his prime and both Sabonis and Oladipo became AS.
I think you should have included the Pelicans trading down from #4 in 2019. They could have paired Zion with Darius Garland. They needed a point guard. But instead they traded down for picks 8 and 17 and drafted Jaxson Hayes and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. Neither did much in New Orleans, and neither is on team now. I understand that hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time I was pissed they didn't just keep the pick and select Garland.
They were about to trade for/get Lonzo in the AD trade. Why would they need/prioritize getting a point guard in the draft when they already knew they were getting lonzo.
If Blake Griffin and Kyrie Irving had been teammates on the Clippers, they would have made a very strong duo. Acquiring Mo Williams and Jamario Moon was the Clippers' worst mistake.
Id argue they had a better PG for the first few years for that core in CP3 and he wasnt able to do a ton. Paul was the best PG in the league to run that offense and was a big factor in Blake and Jordan getting tons of great looks off rolls and for Griffin pops. I think Kyrie would have hurt the teams potential cuz he was a score first guard. Blake Griffin might not have been as good without Paul imo. Also, they would have most certainly still done the Paul deal and included Kyrie and New Orleans would have demanded Kyrie as part of that deal. Maybe it would have saved them Eric Gordon or something, but I still think Kyrie never plays for LA even if they kept the pick.
I still wonder what wouldve happened iif we kept Spida. Obviiously dozens of things would change, but it's just an interesting thing to think about as a Nuuggets fan. Another one is 'What if the Nuggets won the 2003 draft lottery and selected LeBron James?'
I actually think the first trade is really not that bad when you consider they likely can’t afford to trade for CP3 without dumping Baron’s albatross contract. Sure Kyrie would’ve been better for them long run but considering CP3 and Kyrie were pretty damn comparable at the time before Lob City fell apart I don’t really see it working out any better for them. Plus they got a good haul off trading CP3 away eventually anyways
Funny how two of the trades on here (Clippers/Cavs and Thunder/Rockets) happened because of cheapskate owners. A big reason for the salary dump of Davis for the Clippers was Donald Sterling trying to pay his team as little as possible.
It’s funny how things work out, yes the nuggets trading Donovan Mitchell was an objectively bad trade but it all worked out and now they’re set up to win multiple championships. If they had Mitchell in addition to Murray I don’t think it would’ve worked out, Mitchell would’ve forced his way out eventually and the nuggets wouldn’t have gotten MPJ, Aaron Gordon, etc.
Note: The clippers did not trade away Kyrie Irving to dump Baron Davis. You can't trade away player you never had. C'mon man, not that hard to find that information.
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Imagine kawhi, SGA, 7 first round picks that clippers could have turned into KD and 3 and D players had they not traded for PG. I’ll never give kawhi a pass for demanding that trade. Lol
the mitchell trade was ABSOLUTELY GREAT for denver, denver already had a superstar guard in murray, they needed guard defense, so mitchel was extremely redundant for them, not keeping is what led to them gettting kcp who is the absolute perfect fit in that line up, having the mitchel trade here is stupid
Yeah, but for Trey Lyles? If they kept Mitchell for even half the season, they would have got a lot more from the trade. Definitely not "ABSOLUTELY GREAT"
How on earth did you forget the most underrated and debatably 2nd worst trade of the 2010s?: the Serge Ibaka to Orlando trade. That trade set the Magic back like 5 years and they're STILL feeling the ramifications of it. For those unaware:
The Magic gave up two future all-stars in Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis (who both were traded for Paul George almost straight up a year later), a decent role player in Ersan Ilyasova (who was traded for Jerami Grant almost straight up as well), and a draft pick that became Tyrese Maxey for 1/2 a season of subpar play from Serge Ibaka, a fine role player in Terrence Ross, and a far from great Markelle Fultz.
Cos he is a casual. Most of the trades that he mentioned are in hindsight look bad. Straight up copy material from sport columnist sites!
Yea, I have no faith in this guy as a researcher, story reporter and content creator. Always misses details and things like this, and doesn't go deep. Very generic material. he hasn't earned a subscription from me yet.
Markelle is on the right track and is a pretty damn good 2 way PG but yeah awful trade.
they had big man too already , dude should have included this in vid 😂
If the Thunder were aware of the salary cap spike, they probably keep James Harden.
Maybe... or maybe they had met him and talked to him, and decided to trade him before his ego ruined the franchise. Its kind of ironic its the only franchise he hasnt sabotaged, and ppl are still like 'what if they kept him?' The answer is pretty obvious isnt it?
@@jonhoge153or maybe he gained that ego because he became the lone star of a rockets team
@@destroylonely277 thats possible too, i certainly never got to know the man back then, or now. Just looking at evidence and postulating.
IIRC OKC is just short of $4mil to sign Harden. Maybe that's the big red flag for them, but to be fair they didn't do themselves favors by signing Perkins (his money could've been the difference between Harden and no Harden).
That doesn't excuse it. When you have a Finals team, you pay the tax. The amount Harden wanted was only like $3 million more than what they offered him. The tax bill would not have been very high.
It's crazy to think how trades affect things long term in the nba, when in like the NFL the most a trade may affect is 2, maybe 3 years in the future
People forget the extra context of the Harden trade. Not only did Harden want the star money, he also wanted to be a starter, but OKC wanted him to stay as a 6th man. And so, Harden wanted out.
They are the only franchise smart enough to get off his ego before it imploded their submarine.
They would've won a title if they paid harden so that's not true@@jonhoge153
@@jonhoge153 You could argue its the only bad move Presti has made as a GM. And looking at the drama and poor playoff performances of Harden it might not be
@@gdbssa we will never know if it was the 'right' decision
If they let him stay, trade westbrook for good starter and some backups they would win at least 1 ring
That rondo trade wasn't bad at all Jae Crowder and a first round pick for a high quality for starting PG anybody would do that trade in a heart beat. Sometimes things just don't workout.
That happens to the mavs a lot.
5:43 - the team that was injured a lot traded away the pick that became a guy that missed 1 game (technically) last year, and still played in total of 83 games.
Exactly and really don't count on his missing games cause was cause trade..m
The fact that my Nets could’ve had Dame Tatum and Brown on the same roster hurts
The Jazz got the Nuggets twice in the 2010s actually. They sent a 2nd round pick and cash for Gobert in 2013 who went on to 3x DPoY (should have been 6), and 3x All NBA while in Utah. The 2nd round pick was out of the league after 3 seasons, I think the cash was like 2 million. Whoever was scouting international bigs for Denver back then deserved a raise. They drafted Jokic, Gobert, and Nurkic in back-to-back drafts with late 1st or 2nd round picks... The Jazz have gone on to turn Gobert into Walker Kessler, and Keyonte George, 2 seasons of Talon Horton Tucker and the Timberwolves 2025 unprotected, 2027 unprotected, and 2029 top 4 protected 1st round picks, plus 1st round swaps in 2026 and 2028. The Gobert to T'wolves trade also is mostly responsible for the Jazz having the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 first as well. When considering 7 years of high level, game winning play, plus all the future assets now, all for a 2nd round pick and a couple mill in cash; that's about as lopsided as it gets.
Knowing the pistons, we would've drafted Troy brown Jr with that pick 💀💀
An additional layer to that Kings-Sixers trade: the Celtics would use that pick on Romeo Langford who never developed for them BUT he was then used in the trade that got the Celtics Derrick White. Meaning, the Sixers gave the Celtics two architects to their playoff ineptitude 😂
Pretty crazy that Steve Nash was an indirect part of Kevin Durant being moved to the Suns in more ways than one.
I'm surprised you didn't do the 2016 draft day trade of Ibaka for Oladipo and Sabonis (Magic and OKC). Ibaka was past his prime and both Sabonis and Oladipo became AS.
I think you should have included the Pelicans trading down from #4 in 2019. They could have paired Zion with Darius Garland. They needed a point guard. But instead they traded down for picks 8 and 17 and drafted Jaxson Hayes and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. Neither did much in New Orleans, and neither is on team now. I understand that hindsight is 20/20, but even at the time I was pissed they didn't just keep the pick and select Garland.
They were about to trade for/get Lonzo in the AD trade. Why would they need/prioritize getting a point guard in the draft when they already knew they were getting lonzo.
NAW is on the Timberwolves as their 6th/7th man and Jaxson Hayes plays for the Lakers
If Blake Griffin and Kyrie Irving had been teammates on the Clippers, they would have made a very strong duo.
Acquiring Mo Williams and Jamario Moon was the Clippers' worst mistake.
Id argue they had a better PG for the first few years for that core in CP3 and he wasnt able to do a ton. Paul was the best PG in the league to run that offense and was a big factor in Blake and Jordan getting tons of great looks off rolls and for Griffin pops. I think Kyrie would have hurt the teams potential cuz he was a score first guard. Blake Griffin might not have been as good without Paul imo.
Also, they would have most certainly still done the Paul deal and included Kyrie and New Orleans would have demanded Kyrie as part of that deal. Maybe it would have saved them Eric Gordon or something, but I still think Kyrie never plays for LA even if they kept the pick.
I would say trading away SGA wasn't worth what the Clippers got out of George and Kawhi
I still wonder what wouldve happened iif we kept Spida. Obviiously dozens of things would change, but it's just an interesting thing to think about as a Nuuggets fan. Another one is 'What if the Nuggets won the 2003 draft lottery and selected LeBron James?'
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I actually think the first trade is really not that bad when you consider they likely can’t afford to trade for CP3 without dumping Baron’s albatross contract. Sure Kyrie would’ve been better for them long run but considering CP3 and Kyrie were pretty damn comparable at the time before Lob City fell apart I don’t really see it working out any better for them. Plus they got a good haul off trading CP3 away eventually anyways
Funny how two of the trades on here (Clippers/Cavs and Thunder/Rockets) happened because of cheapskate owners. A big reason for the salary dump of Davis for the Clippers was Donald Sterling trying to pay his team as little as possible.
As a lifelong Cavs fan, I love that Clippers trade. I don’t think the clippers should change it even if they could lol
All time fumble by Presti. They knew what Harden was worth and just didn't wanna pay him
It’s funny how things work out, yes the nuggets trading Donovan Mitchell was an objectively bad trade but it all worked out and now they’re set up to win multiple championships. If they had Mitchell in addition to Murray I don’t think it would’ve worked out, Mitchell would’ve forced his way out eventually and the nuggets wouldn’t have gotten MPJ, Aaron Gordon, etc.
agreed
Even though our former GM was awful and ruined dames prime.... that being said, THANKS BROOKLYN
Note: The clippers did not trade away Kyrie Irving to dump Baron Davis. You can't trade away player you never had. C'mon man, not that hard to find that information.
The Lakers have made some dumb trades
Charlotte trading SGA to clips??????????
Ibaka for Ross and a first?
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The PG to clippers trade is going to look worse than the nets trade soon. Might be worse already
Imagine if they kept SGA and it was just the picks.
@@fortynights1513every day i think about this
@@antwanthorogood4921Would his skillset be redundant or would he compliment what the other two already do?
Imagine kawhi, SGA, 7 first round picks that clippers could have turned into KD and 3 and D players had they not traded for PG. I’ll never give kawhi a pass for demanding that trade. Lol
the mitchell trade was ABSOLUTELY GREAT for denver, denver already had a superstar guard in murray, they needed guard defense, so mitchel was extremely redundant for them, not keeping is what led to them gettting kcp who is the absolute perfect fit in that line up, having the mitchel trade here is stupid
Yeah, but for Trey Lyles? If they kept Mitchell for even half the season, they would have got a lot more from the trade. Definitely not "ABSOLUTELY GREAT"