I really like that Ali isn‘t stretching his videos, if it‘s not necessary, Straight up Information and that’s it! And as always great shots and editing :)
Relevant video from Gamer's Nexus also showing performance improvement of 4 DIMMS versus 2 DIMMs. ( ua-cam.com/video/-UkGu6A-6sQ/v-deo.html ) For reference, both the 2133 and 3200 configuration here were tested with 4 DIMMs, the 4000MHz kit was tested with 2 (4000MHz C15 is only available in 2x8). So potentially there would be a slightly larger performance difference of 4000MHz if across 4 DIMMs. The recommendation still stands though, 3200-3600MHz kits around C15 will get you most of the way there.
Since 4 DIMMS can net around ~5% performance increase, and the 2 DIMM 4000mhz is about the same performance as 4 DIMM 3200mhz, then there should be a ~5% performance increase with 4 DIMM 4000mhz, no? I doubt it's actually that simple in practice but I think it's worth testing. I understand you were probably almost done with this video when the gamers nexus one came out though.
Benchmark again at 720p, you will see noticeable gain. Running an OC Micron E-die and OC Samsung B-die at the same frequency and best timings, both are the same at 1080p. But at 720p, you get 10% performance uplift from Samsung B-die. Same story for these RAM kits.
Thanks for Also showing some manually tuned secondary timings, I got a few percent improvement in games (like 4-5% or so) when going from 3000CL16 to a new kit 3800CL15 with manually tuned subtimings. For me tuning ram is fun, so good to see it'll have some effect as well for Ryzen 5000!
As someone who has an ITX system and is most likely going for 32GB RAM (it will also be a development workstation, not just a gaming machine), I'm very glad to heard about the dual-rank thing...
Just wanted to say thank you for the info offered once again on your channel. You strike an excellent balance between the info and down to earth aspects of value for money related to costs benefit and returns.
@@kiinqdoge5611 so what did you decide? I got 3200mhz Dominator platnium with 16 cas. Preordered the 5900x and gonna preorder the 6800xt with it. I think i ma keep the ram if its really just a 1 to 2 fps difference lol.
@@kiinqdoge5611that's good, I bought the x570, gonna build a mini itx build. Cougar mini itz case, 5 arctic p12 quiet fans, corsaid 240mm radiator, and 2 x 1tb pcie 4.0 m.2 ssds in raid. Ma build cost me more than $2000 so far, and still i need to buy the gpu, 6800xt soon, maybe wait for the 6900xt even. I feel like i spent too much so why use a 5 year old ram, i think i will buy a 4000 mhz just because i want everything to be new. All but the psu, its only 2 years old and still kicking good.
Hey, have you seen Gamer's Nexus' video on RAM with Zen 3, and how 4 sticks gets 2-8% better performance than 2? At the end it mentioned that Wendel from Level1Techs said he found that a 2x16gb kit was performing best for him. I'd really love to see an addendum to this video given mini-ITX almost always only ever has 2 DIMM slots. It definitely made me worry a little bit - it would feel bad to be leaving that significant of performance off the table.
@@ananasw all ram slots populated is better than just having 2 sticks. Also most people don't even diferrentiate between dual vs single rank some even think dual rank is dual channel
@@mesicek7 no it depends on the topology of the motherboard. The fact that people can’t tell the difference doesn’t cancel the fact that 2 x16gb dual ranked is better
I discovered the performance gain while building a Ryzen 2200G PC back a few years ago. It was a budget setup with only DDR4-2400 and when tested with two sticks and four sticks the FPS went up around 5 FPS which was huge for an APU. The ram was also ran at 2666 later on which pushed it to around 8 FPS total gain.
THIS is the information I was looking for and that no reviewer was giving ! Absolutely nowhere in amd's promotional material did they say anything about increasing the Fclock and I was going insane.
Nice video, you need 4 total ranks for Ryzen 5000 though. 2 single rank memories are not optimal. You shoul try to test 4x8 GB 4000 Mhz with timings as tight as possible. Or get a dualrank 2x16GB.
You can still find a not so much expensive Samsung b die like 3200 C14 or 3600 c16 and tweak the timing to 3600 C14. This way you get best of performance from ryzen without spending so much on 4000 mhz
I'm a huge fan of this video, when I was looking late october I was first looking at 400$ royals, then really thanks to people on facebook groups and discords really homed in on 3600 Tridents with 16-16-16-36 timings and c16. Back then we didn't have videos like this :)
These are the tests we're looking for. Well these and maybe ones that go even deeper into RAM confugurations (2x vs 4x, single vs dual rank, GDM on and subtiming tweaking) and the Dynamic OC feature from ASUS. Thank you!
@@Skyfiah yes. Within 5 minutes of sales going live. HOWEVER, I managed to buy the ryzen 9 5900x! Just installed it this afternoon. I had to call up the store because the website crashed and my basket was emptied, even though I added it and was at the point of payment. They honoured my basket thankfully
@@waxsta Oh congrats! What did you upgrade from? I was trying to buy from Curry’s as I get discount there but their customer support isn’t as helpful unfortunately
@@optimumtech LeonidasGFX 15 minutes ago Apparently you can get ~8% more performance in games when using 4 RAM sticks or 2 dual-rank sticks (most 16GB sticks are dual-rank).
I still have some cheapo 2x16 Gb Crucial Ballistix that reaches 4200 Mhz CL16 at 1.53v. For quite a while now its been some of the best stuff you could get, and as well as being some of the cheapest ram, in general second only to Samsung B die but that costs around twice as much.
Launch day parts have historically overclocked like complete crap for ryzen. My week 1 3600 can only do 4ghz@1.25v meanwhile my year and change in 2600 could do 4.275ghz@1.375v. Now 3600s are hitting 4.4ghz+!
If you overclock It you lose single thread boost. You can't arrive 4.8/4.9 with overclock, so is non sense. If you want something more just enable PBO so you get better single and better multi performance
Nice vid, but just a minor correction.. at 2:11, a 3200mhz kit does not run at "1600mhz per channel", even in dual channel, the true clock speed of the memory would be 1600mhz. Advertized ram speed is realy refering to megatransfers per second, and not true clock speed/mhz. This is true for all DDR ram (double data rate)
Got a G.SKILL TridentZ Series 128GB kit on my current X99 machine, which I'm replacing for a 5950x. I think I'll just grab 64GBs of that one and put them in there, with timings of 14-14-14-34, I expect it's not worth spending ~1,000 CAD $ for what I would suspect to be a minimal 1-3% increase.
Hi just a question, Im building a ryzen system with the 5600x and I want to use "OLOy Blade RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL15 Memory" Im fine with not overclocking the F clock thing you were talking about I just want to know what speed it would downgrade to cause im fine with not using the extra headroom cause im not paying for more its somehow cheaper than lets say 3600mhz cl 16 memory and im afraid of bricking my system cause it happened last time
Well they dont give you a boost if you are GPU bottlenecked.... Test that at 720p or 1080p low too see the real performance difference. (No one is playing at 1080p low in 2020) well competitive players do. For example in Overwatch 1080p (all lowest possible) 3200mhz vs 4200mhz is like +50% for 0.1% lows and that matters in top500 frag or dead...
Im using a G-Skill 3800mhz Cl14 memory kit but for some reason I can't get stability over 3733 mhz and am using 1866 mhz for the infinity fabric. I have a 5950x and ASUS dark hero motherboard. Any suggestions or should I just leave it at 3733mhz?
maybe you need to test with mems that are designed for AMD cpus. Maybe then the subtimings are "more correct". Like GSkill Trident Z Neo 3800MHz CL14 (F4-3800C14D-16GTZN). Try pls :)
@@channelthechannel I'm looking to overclock the ram as soon as my ryzen 9 arrives, Jacob :) CL 16-16-16-36 is the tested latency, but I will definitely make some tweaks with timings and mhz.
Hey Ali, a lot of people (myself included) are building or upgrading around now, and with the new AMD CPUs out, I was wondering if we could see another motherboard roundup? You make some of the best itx roundups around, and I'd love to hear your thoughts! Cheers and thank you for all your amazing content.
For this test did you use one of the 4 approved mobos that AMD has everyone using for CPU benchmarks? I know many of the boards currently out require a BIOS upgrade to get optimized CPU performance from the Ryzen CPU's
Dude, your videos are the most meaningful pc videos for me, no kidding, every other guy deviates left and right, showing shit no one wants to see. Great job, keep it up, you just saved me $311
very interesting! how would this fair though on applications like after effects and 3d modelling software, where you are constantly shoving things in and out of the ram?
@@sphaera3809 yeah, if you buy already clocked at 3600 C14 Is very expensive. But for example if you buy a 3200 C14 kit at 120-130 € you can take it very easy to 3600 C14 with dram calculator.
Totally out of the loop, will 2x8 cl 16 3600mhz work well with ryzen 5600x? Should i consider getting 4 sticks for these? Keep seeing people talk about having 4x8 but dont know if itll matter if i have cl 16
this is one of the first channels that shows such a small difference between 2666mhz and 4000mhz.... most other videos ive watched show a big jump even between 3200 and 3600, and an even bigger jump from 3600 to 3800.
Thanks for theminfo, but you only did optimizing for the 4000 kit. Maybe you should have done the same for the 2133 and especially the 3200 as well. How much could you gain from optimizing the 3200 kit?
I think it is a good think that zen 3 cpus are not as effected by ram speed as older parts. It is good to know that even a 3200mhz ram will give you 95% of the performance compared to faster speeds. Some of the older parts, especially zen and zen+ ones, had some issues reaching higher speeds while also being very memory and latency-sensitive. Mine 3200mgz hynex kid could not reach advertised speeds on B450m-pro4 with 2600 and I had to settle for 2667mhz with tighter timings.
Thank you for confirming that anything over 3200mhz is totally useless and a waste of money. Plus those Royal Tridents are the aesthetic equivalent of 1970s drug dealer’s Cadillac interiors. Yuck.
It rly is. But in more advanced tasks. Due of 128MB cache it doesnt rly shows in games and simple tasks. Zen2 showed difference as faster FCLK helped to move data between memory blocks. Now its unified between 8 cores.
Seems a bit odd. I've seen more difference in performance between the 3200 vs 3700MHz and now these benchmarks would imply buying 3200 or above even with faster timings wouldn't even matter that much? I don't think so
Hey Optimum, what were your timings for your cl15 4000mhz ram? I have gskill c15 @4000 and the XMP/DOCP settings dont work with my strix x570 (updated bios) and 5900x. I had to downclock to cl14 14 14 28 3733mhz.
Ali, love the videos, best itx channel on YT. One small nitpick with this vid though, at 2:12 your explanation of why the fclk is half of ram speed is wrong. It's not because of dual channel but because ddr4 is double data rate, meaning information is sent to memory twice per cycle. Dual channel has more to do with the bandwidth than clock speed. Not a big deal but it might lead people to interpret things wrong if they ever get into 4 or 6 channel memory configs. Keep the itx content rolling, I have an ncase m1 because of your channel.
Built a Ryzen 1700 with 3200mhz c14 in summer 2017, just threw in a 5600x into the old mobo yesterday for £200 thanks to a bios update and now lets me run the same ram kit at 3666mhz c16 nice and stable, awesome value upgrade for a 5 year old build!
i think the main difference is real time response from when the application opens and how fast your actions are registered. i used to have ddr4 2400 cl14 ram and now have 3200 cl14 ram and it seems that actions are just slightly faster on the new ram to where i can notice a difference. both kits were 16gb as well and i didn't think there was a major difference back then but now that I've actually felt the change i can say that it does actually matter. maybe not as much going beyond but it did at the lower end of frequency speed.
Ali, will you be taking a look at the JOAT 14.9 SFF case by SpyLabs? I'm interested in what you think about it - an ITX case that allows for an NH-D15 to fit seems like a perfect candidate for a build I want to do early next year. (The other option I was considering was the Lian Li O11-D Mini, but that's a hell of a lot bigger, and not exactly the direction I want to go.)
I really like that Ali isn‘t stretching his videos, if it‘s not necessary,
Straight up Information and that’s it!
And as always great shots and editing :)
Is that his name? I didn't knew.
Agreed. Whenever i see youtubers milking a single bit of news for 8 minutes they get a downvote from me.
Agreed
That's why people like him and are subbing
Gamer nexus dont know how to make a 6m video.
tech tubers make long videos for ads.
Relevant video from Gamer's Nexus also showing performance improvement of 4 DIMMS versus 2 DIMMs. ( ua-cam.com/video/-UkGu6A-6sQ/v-deo.html )
For reference, both the 2133 and 3200 configuration here were tested with 4 DIMMs, the 4000MHz kit was tested with 2 (4000MHz C15 is only available in 2x8).
So potentially there would be a slightly larger performance difference of 4000MHz if across 4 DIMMs.
The recommendation still stands though, 3200-3600MHz kits around C15 will get you most of the way there.
AMD Ryzen: 4 vs. 2 Sticks of RAM on R5 5600X for Up to 10% Better Performance / Gamers Nexus . huge boost with 4 sticks ram
There is a 4x8 4000Mhz CL15 kit available. Check Gskill.
Since 4 DIMMS can net around ~5% performance increase, and the 2 DIMM 4000mhz is about the same performance as 4 DIMM 3200mhz, then there should be a ~5% performance increase with 4 DIMM 4000mhz, no? I doubt it's actually that simple in practice but I think it's worth testing. I understand you were probably almost done with this video when the gamers nexus one came out though.
@@Petey5 It should be close to that, and exactly.
Benchmark again at 720p, you will see noticeable gain. Running an OC Micron E-die and OC Samsung B-die at the same frequency and best timings, both are the same at 1080p. But at 720p, you get 10% performance uplift from Samsung B-die. Same story for these RAM kits.
Thanks for Also showing some manually tuned secondary timings, I got a few percent improvement in games (like 4-5% or so) when going from 3000CL16 to a new kit 3800CL15 with manually tuned subtimings. For me tuning ram is fun, so good to see it'll have some effect as well for Ryzen 5000!
Apparently you can get (up to) ~8% more performance in games when using 4 RAM sticks or 2 dual-rank sticks (most 16GB sticks are dual-rank).
As someone who has an ITX system and is most likely going for 32GB RAM (it will also be a development workstation, not just a gaming machine), I'm very glad to heard about the dual-rank thing...
Yup this is correct. So does that make this video invalid then? xD
AMD Ryzen: 4 vs. 2 Sticks of RAM on R5 5600X for Up to 10% Better Performance / Gamers Nexus . huge boost with 4 sticks ram
To clarify, new to PC building are two sticks of 16 GB better than four sticks of 8 GB. Edit- Aim to get 5600x
@@JHayler7 If you are not on Ryzen 5000 it wont matter. Dual channel is fine and optimal.
that B roll of the RAM holding one another up by the notch gave me a n x i e t y
it's ram, not a cpu
That's nothing watch LTT.
I mean the worst you're gonna do is scratch the useless heat spreader.
Just wanted to say thank you for the info offered once again on your channel. You strike an excellent balance between the info and down to earth aspects of value for money related to costs benefit and returns.
Thank you for running these tests, this will help me immensely when purchasing new memory.
And the 3200 cl14 kit I bought in 2017 for Zen1 keeps on truckin'.
3200 cl14 attached to a ryzen 2700x here, still probably won't upgrade my cpu for 2-3 years. Running an RTX 3070 now, it feeds it perfectly at 2k/4k.
damn, how much u pay tho, back in 2017 they were like $180
@@yung_joshi9851 $140 at MicroCenter back in Feb for 2700x.
@@realforest oh I was saying the ram
@@yung_joshi9851 $150, a few weeks later the prices shot up, I bought the kit before the Ryzen CPU's were launched so I had it ready to go.
I been trying to find out lmao, thanks
Yea I really was thinking about buying 4000mghz ram... 😅😅😅
@@kiinqdoge5611 so what did you decide? I got 3200mhz Dominator platnium with 16 cas.
Preordered the 5900x and gonna preorder the 6800xt with it.
I think i ma keep the ram if its really just a 1 to 2 fps difference lol.
@@DemocracyDecoded I got the 3700x
@@DemocracyDecoded and I bought a b550 motherboard today
@@kiinqdoge5611that's good, I bought the x570, gonna build a mini itx build.
Cougar mini itz case, 5 arctic p12 quiet fans, corsaid 240mm radiator, and 2 x 1tb pcie 4.0 m.2 ssds in raid.
Ma build cost me more than $2000 so far, and still i need to buy the gpu, 6800xt soon, maybe wait for the 6900xt even.
I feel like i spent too much so why use a 5 year old ram, i think i will buy a 4000 mhz just because i want everything to be new.
All but the psu, its only 2 years old and still kicking good.
Thanks for the straightforward great video!
Hey, have you seen Gamer's Nexus' video on RAM with Zen 3, and how 4 sticks gets 2-8% better performance than 2?
At the end it mentioned that Wendel from Level1Techs said he found that a 2x16gb kit was performing best for him.
I'd really love to see an addendum to this video given mini-ITX almost always only ever has 2 DIMM slots. It definitely made me worry a little bit - it would feel bad to be leaving that significant of performance off the table.
It's not just zen 3 every cpu gains when populating 4 ram slots. Sadly Steve just discovered hot water
4 ranks is better, not necessarily 4 sticks. 2x16 dual ranked is actually better than anything on a good mini-itx motherboard
@@ananasw all ram slots populated is better than just having 2 sticks. Also most people don't even diferrentiate between dual vs single rank some even think dual rank is dual channel
@@mesicek7 no it depends on the topology of the motherboard. The fact that people can’t tell the difference doesn’t cancel the fact that 2 x16gb dual ranked is better
I discovered the performance gain while building a Ryzen 2200G PC back a few years ago. It was a budget setup with only DDR4-2400 and when tested with two sticks and four sticks the FPS went up around 5 FPS which was huge for an APU. The ram was also ran at 2666 later on which pushed it to around 8 FPS total gain.
i like the fact you put 2600 there, so i have really accurate feeling of the scale. love my cpu.
THIS is the information I was looking for and that no reviewer was giving ! Absolutely nowhere in amd's promotional material did they say anything about increasing the Fclock and I was going insane.
Great video and interesting results. Thank you!
This is what I have been waiting for, thanks Ali 👍
Awesome! Many thanks ali!
Perfect explanation. Significantly important for the moment.
Straight to the point. Thank you!
Love the content Ali
Nice video, you need 4 total ranks for Ryzen 5000 though. 2 single rank memories are not optimal. You shoul try to test 4x8 GB 4000 Mhz with timings as tight as possible. Or get a dualrank 2x16GB.
^ What Ivan said
GN has a great vid on this
I think most (if not all) 16 GB modules are dual rank.
@@ruxandy They are not, a lot of newer kits are single rank micron E-Die.
@@ruxandy yes i think best Ram configuration would be :
- Motherboard with only 2 Dimm slots
- 2x16GB dual ranked
- 4000mHz with a low CAS latency
Respect to you sir, for covering this info! You are the most useful tech channel.
5:25 saw the new pump and the 3080 now, can’t wait for the new vid
i see the graph,
wait, where is int..
oh right...
Me having 5 types of ddr4 4000mhz ram in my shopping cart, needing help to decide.
Staying with my 3200mhz dominator platnium lol
You can still find a not so much expensive Samsung b die like 3200 C14 or 3600 c16 and tweak the timing to 3600 C14. This way you get best of performance from ryzen without spending so much on 4000 mhz
Check ram.userbenchmark.com/ that's what I did. Also Google what's the best RAM for my CPU and it's fairly accurate.
THANKS!!
SHORT AND DIRECT!
I'm a huge fan of this video, when I was looking late october I was first looking at 400$ royals, then really thanks to people on facebook groups and discords really homed in on 3600 Tridents with 16-16-16-36 timings and c16.
Back then we didn't have videos like this :)
You need to test memory configurations again when the 6000 cards come out and you can run a smart access memory system.
These are the tests we're looking for. Well these and maybe ones that go even deeper into RAM confugurations (2x vs 4x, single vs dual rank, GDM on and subtiming tweaking) and the Dynamic OC feature from ASUS.
Thank you!
Man that’s such a helpful video like always.
Thanks for this review. Been a lot of talk about this since 5000 release and considering the cost of 4000 MHz I will stick with some slower ram.
As someone who has 4x8GB 3200MHz CL14 already, this makes me happy.
@@secs3 Or 2x16 GB. Dual-rank is the reason.
@@445Matty not all 2x16 is dual rank. all 4x8 is dual rank :)
Great info, thanks Ali!
Now to try and actually buy a 5600x...
Good luck!
@@waxsta Thanks! UK retailers were out of stock 10-15mins after release, hoping for some stock to come in soon.
@@Skyfiah yes. Within 5 minutes of sales going live. HOWEVER, I managed to buy the ryzen 9 5900x! Just installed it this afternoon. I had to call up the store because the website crashed and my basket was emptied, even though I added it and was at the point of payment. They honoured my basket thankfully
@@waxsta Oh congrats! What did you upgrade from? I was trying to buy from Curry’s as I get discount there but their customer support isn’t as helpful unfortunately
@@Skyfiah If you're still looking - i wouldn't be surprised - both ebuyer and overclockers have stock of the 5600x and 5800x
Thanks for testing
this exact video is just what I've been looking for, thanks!
No problem!
@@optimumtech
LeonidasGFX
15 minutes ago
Apparently you can get ~8% more performance in games when using 4 RAM sticks or 2 dual-rank sticks (most 16GB sticks are dual-rank).
By God EXACTLY the answer I needed, instant sub.
I still have some cheapo 2x16 Gb Crucial Ballistix that reaches 4200 Mhz CL16 at 1.53v. For quite a while now its been some of the best stuff you could get, and as well as being some of the cheapest ram, in general second only to Samsung B die but that costs around twice as much.
Yep great ram
Thanks for the info bro
verdict barely 1% unless you want the best, use what you want, very nicely explained
Love the content, keep it up! Love your approach for all your recommendations, having price/performance being very important 👌👏👍
We all know how important BICEPS BICEPS BICEPS!!..... VASCULARRRRRR!....,
nice video btw
wanted to get the 4000Mhz ones, but could not find them available anywhere, so i went for some 4x8 Gb gskill 3200 C14. really glad that i did so :)
can u do a overclock guide on ur 5900 and 5950
currently haveing some trouble, i suspect its the bios tho
gotta get that 6900xt and click rage mode :D ?
Launch day parts have historically overclocked like complete crap for ryzen.
My week 1 3600 can only do 4ghz@1.25v meanwhile my year and change in 2600 could do 4.275ghz@1.375v.
Now 3600s are hitting 4.4ghz+!
If you overclock It you lose single thread boost. You can't arrive 4.8/4.9 with overclock, so is non sense. If you want something more just enable PBO so you get better single and better multi performance
Good video but It would have been nice to have comparisons with higher latency ram like CL18 and CL16 which are more popular and affordable
I see a DDC Pump in your system 5:24 :)
I wonder how he mounts that pump in there
@@allansh828 with the 3090 with shother PCB compared to the 2080ti he now has some spare space in front of it
Came for the tech tips, stayed for the biceps
Nice vid, but just a minor correction.. at 2:11, a 3200mhz kit does not run at "1600mhz per channel", even in dual channel, the true clock speed of the memory would be 1600mhz. Advertized ram speed is realy refering to megatransfers per second, and not true clock speed/mhz. This is true for all DDR ram (double data rate)
Got a G.SKILL TridentZ Series 128GB kit on my current X99 machine, which I'm replacing for a 5950x. I think I'll just grab 64GBs of that one and put them in there, with timings of 14-14-14-34, I expect it's not worth spending ~1,000 CAD $ for what I would suspect to be a minimal 1-3% increase.
Hi just a question, Im building a ryzen system with the 5600x and I want to use "OLOy Blade RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-4000 CL15 Memory" Im fine with not overclocking the F clock thing you were talking about I just want to know what speed it would downgrade to cause im fine with not using the extra headroom cause im not paying for more its somehow cheaper than lets say 3600mhz cl 16 memory and im afraid of bricking my system cause it happened last time
Well they dont give you a boost if you are GPU bottlenecked.... Test that at 720p or 1080p low too see the real performance difference. (No one is playing at 1080p low in 2020) well competitive players do. For example in Overwatch 1080p (all lowest possible) 3200mhz vs 4200mhz is like +50% for 0.1% lows and that matters in top500 frag or dead...
Im using a G-Skill 3800mhz Cl14 memory kit but for some reason I can't get stability over 3733 mhz and am using 1866 mhz for the infinity fabric. I have a 5950x and ASUS dark hero motherboard. Any suggestions or should I just leave it at 3733mhz?
Well I guess my CL 18/3600MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX are too slow, should I bin them?
How about testing more usable memory sizes? I'd like to see tests that are more useful for workstations, such as having a total of 128 GB ECC memory.
maybe you need to test with mems that are designed for AMD cpus. Maybe then the subtimings are "more correct". Like GSkill Trident Z Neo 3800MHz CL14 (F4-3800C14D-16GTZN). Try pls :)
Thanks for the great video. Could u please test 2 to 4 ram sticks? So 2133mhz 2x vs 4x vs 3200mhz 2x vs 4x 4000mhz etc etc. Would help a lot
I just bought the F4-3600C16D-16GTZN sticks (x2, 32 GB) and I think it's more than enough for Ryzen 5900x. CL 16-16-16-36.
Why buy b-die just to keep it stock? You could easily tighten the timings or bring it up to 4000 mhz with tight timings as well.
@@channelthechannel I'm looking to overclock the ram as soon as my ryzen 9 arrives, Jacob :) CL 16-16-16-36 is the tested latency, but I will definitely make some tweaks with timings and mhz.
The information I was looking for from start to finish, thank you!
Why was there no 3600mhz tested?
Hey Ali, a lot of people (myself included) are building or upgrading around now, and with the new AMD CPUs out, I was wondering if we could see another motherboard roundup? You make some of the best itx roundups around, and I'd love to hear your thoughts! Cheers and thank you for all your amazing content.
For this test did you use one of the 4 approved mobos that AMD has everyone using for CPU benchmarks? I know many of the boards currently out require a BIOS upgrade to get optimized CPU performance from the Ryzen CPU's
Bought the g skill trident 3800mhz cl14 3 months ago. Is there anything better out for the 5000 series CPU?
Just overclock your ram lol
Your kit probably can do 4000 MHz, CL 15 or 16. You definitely don't need anything new
@@ananasw I will pretty sure I got the best ram possible based on speed and timing
3800mhz cl14 is amazing enough
@@fifaaddict101 overclock your CURRENT RAM to 4000mHz CL15, don’t buy another RAM kit, it would be stupid.
Not even 1 second into the video and all i see is vascularity... Ali jacked as ever!
So glad my 3200MHz sticks hold up strong!!!
"But to actually get our Ryzen CPU" - Ali 1:45
I'm crying in out of stock right now.
Dude, your videos are the most meaningful pc videos for me, no kidding, every other guy deviates left and right, showing shit no one wants to see.
Great job, keep it up, you just saved me $311
Most people on 3200 are C16. 3200 C14 is exceptional.
very interesting! how would this fair though on applications like after effects and 3d modelling software, where you are constantly shoving things in and out of the ram?
From what I’ve seen so far, CL14 at 3200 or 3600 MHz are the fastest sticks for Ryzen.
The best you can get is 3800 C14 if you are good with tweaking Samsung b die kit. There are also some g skill module 3800 c14
@@Smallman647 I got 2 8GB pairs of Corsair V. 3600 C14. Performance is not cheap...
@@sphaera3809 yeah, if you buy already clocked at 3600 C14 Is very expensive. But for example if you buy a 3200 C14 kit at 120-130 € you can take it very easy to 3600 C14 with dram calculator.
You forgot to mention that Zen3 benefits from 4 banks populated with memory. It seems that 4 banks vs 2 banks improvements can go up to 8-10%
I bought Viper 4400 Mhz last year !!
I cannot wait to see how that runs ...
thank you so much. I was wondering the same thing.
Can you do another build with all the new hardware that has been coming out?
I'd support your patreon if you had one
Very, very informative. Thanks for the info sir.
Totally out of the loop, will 2x8 cl 16 3600mhz work well with ryzen 5600x? Should i consider getting 4 sticks for these? Keep seeing people talk about having 4x8 but dont know if itll matter if i have cl 16
this is one of the first channels that shows such a small difference between 2666mhz and 4000mhz.... most other videos ive watched show a big jump even between 3200 and 3600, and an even bigger jump from 3600 to 3800.
Thanks for theminfo, but you only did optimizing for the 4000 kit. Maybe you should have done the same for the 2133 and especially the 3200 as well. How much could you gain from optimizing the 3200 kit?
The content I was looking for, thanks!
First one to the memory speed test on Zen 3, well done and thank you!
Thanks so much, this is the exact thing i was looking for!
I think it is a good think that zen 3 cpus are not as effected by ram speed as older parts. It is good to know that even a 3200mhz ram will give you 95% of the performance compared to faster speeds.
Some of the older parts, especially zen and zen+ ones, had some issues reaching higher speeds while also being very memory and latency-sensitive. Mine 3200mgz hynex kid could not reach advertised speeds on B450m-pro4 with 2600 and I had to settle for 2667mhz with tighter timings.
Thank you for confirming that anything over 3200mhz is totally useless and a waste of money.
Plus those Royal Tridents are the aesthetic equivalent of 1970s drug dealer’s Cadillac interiors.
Yuck.
Interesting, Linus was saying on the WAN show that the RAM speed mattered a lot between the reviews
@@BitPicante stfu
It rly is.
But in more advanced tasks.
Due of 128MB cache it doesnt rly shows in games and simple tasks.
Zen2 showed difference as faster FCLK helped to move data between memory blocks. Now its unified between 8 cores.
Why are they only running 2 dims? when the new Ryzen trully shines on 4 dims?
what a short and helpful video! :-D
Thanks a lot. I've been waiting for this
Seems a bit odd. I've seen more difference in performance between the 3200 vs 3700MHz and now these benchmarks would imply buying 3200 or above even with faster timings wouldn't even matter that much? I don't think so
Hey Optimum, what were your timings for your cl15 4000mhz ram? I have gskill c15 @4000 and the XMP/DOCP settings dont work with my strix x570 (updated bios) and 5900x. I had to downclock to cl14 14 14 28 3733mhz.
Great topic, thank you 👌
Not bad getting your fix of OT on a Sunday.
Ali, love the videos, best itx channel on YT.
One small nitpick with this vid though, at 2:12 your explanation of why the fclk is half of ram speed is wrong. It's not because of dual channel but because ddr4 is double data rate, meaning information is sent to memory twice per cycle. Dual channel has more to do with the bandwidth than clock speed. Not a big deal but it might lead people to interpret things wrong if they ever get into 4 or 6 channel memory configs.
Keep the itx content rolling, I have an ncase m1 because of your channel.
Built a Ryzen 1700 with 3200mhz c14 in summer 2017, just threw in a 5600x into the old mobo yesterday for £200 thanks to a bios update and now lets me run the same ram kit at 3666mhz c16 nice and stable, awesome value upgrade for a 5 year old build!
Great channel
Thank You, this is what I waiting for.
Can you please test Gigbyte Designare 3200 ddr4 sticks? 2/4 per board. Would be very interesting!
Looks like you beat LTT to the punch. Linus wanted to make a video about this.
Now that's what DanielZo0 is talkin bout, inniq?
i think the main difference is real time response from when the application opens and how fast your actions are registered. i used to have ddr4 2400 cl14 ram and now have 3200 cl14 ram and it seems that actions are just slightly faster on the new ram to where i can notice a difference. both kits were 16gb as well and i didn't think there was a major difference back then but now that I've actually felt the change i can say that it does actually matter. maybe not as much going beyond but it did at the lower end of frequency speed.
Yeah I still use my 3200MHz CL16 boosted a bit to 3333MHz CL16 and it works like a charm. The boost gave me a hundred extra points or so in Cinebench.
Ali, will you be taking a look at the JOAT 14.9 SFF case by SpyLabs? I'm interested in what you think about it - an ITX case that allows for an NH-D15 to fit seems like a perfect candidate for a build I want to do early next year. (The other option I was considering was the Lian Li O11-D Mini, but that's a hell of a lot bigger, and not exactly the direction I want to go.)