In terms of both Chronological order and a viewing order that makes sense chronologically (if that makes sense) I'd love to know if this makes sense? 97. Avengers: Endgame (2018-2023) Time Travel 1 98. Venom AND Post Credit Scene for Venom (October 2018-April 2019) Alternate Universe 5 99. The Daily Bugle S3 [E26-E29] (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6 100. Morbius AND Mid Credit Scene for Morbius (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6 101. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (October-November 2020) Alternate Universe 5 102. Caught in a Ham (Mid-November 2021 [starts 66 minutes before entrance in Spiderman Into the Spider-verse]) Alternate Universe 7 103. Spiderman Into the Spider-verse (Mid-November 2021) Alternate Universe 7 104. Spiderman Across the Spider-verse (March 2023) Alternate Universe 7 The Multiverse Saga Phase Four *105. Loki S1 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S1 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 1* 106. Post Credit Scene for Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (July 24th [and days later] Outside of Time) Alternate Universe 8 *107. Loki S2 E1-4 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S2 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 2.1* 108. What If…? Season 1 AND Post Credits for What If…? Season 1 (2023) Branched Universes 1-9 109. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S06 (Summer 2019) Branched Universe 10 110. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S07 (Summer 2019-Summer 2020) Branched Universe 10 *111. Loki S02 E5 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.2* 112. X-Men First Class (X-Men Timeline Order - 1962) Alternate Universe 9 113. X-Men Origins Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 1979) Alternate Universe 9 114. X-Men Animated Series (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992-1996) Alternate Universe 9-2 115. X-Men ‘97 [Animated Series] (X-Men Timeline Order - 1997) Alternate Universe 9-2 116. X-Men (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9 117. X2 X-Men United (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9 118. X-Men The Last Stand (X-Men Timeline Order - 2006) Alternate Universe 9 119. The Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 2013) Alternate Universe 9 120. The Gifted S1 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2017) Alternate Universe 9-3 121. The Gifted S2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018) Alternate Universe 9-3 122. X-Men Days of Future Past (X-Men Timeline Order - 2023 [1973]) Alternate Universe 9 123. X-Men Apocalypse (X-Men Timeline Order - 1983) Alternate Universe 9 124. X-Men Dark Phoenix (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992) Alternate Universe 9 *125. Deadpool (X-Men Timeline Order - 2016) Alternate Universe 9-1* 126. The New Mutants (X-Men Timeline Order - 2020) Alternate Universe 9 *127. Logan (X-Men Timeline Order - 2029) Alternate Universe 9* *128. Deadpool 2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018 [2068]) Alternate Universe 9-1* 129. WandaVision AND Three Post Credit Scenes at the end of their respective episodes of WandaVision (7, 8, & 9) (November 2023) 130. Eternals AND Mid Credit Scene for Eternals AND Post Credit Scene for Eternals (Late 2023) 131. Post Credit Scene for Morbius (2024) Alternate Universe 6 *132. Loki S2 E6 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.3* *133. Deadpool and Wolverine (March 2024 and combined with X-Men Timeline Order and Outside of time to officially create a new X-Men timeline aka heal the X-Men timeline) Alternate Universe 9-4* 134. Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Mid Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Post Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (April 2024) I feel it works outside the other FOX X-men movies because Loki S2 seems to have needed to be watched in order to understand The TVA aspects of the story. And yet tying it loosly yet watchably into the core branch of the MCU timeline. Personally I think when Hunter B15 said the timeline was better now she commented along the lines of healing the universe. I think while the 10005 universe, in-universe, is now cleaned up to the point of being able to join the MCU timeline and we don't have to worry about FOX timeline issues. People know Wolverine, but now this is Wolverine and not the one we knew in the FOX movies. Same with X-23. I'm not sure I like the idea of a resurected Wolverine, though, as that would mess with the _Logan_ timeline, and they said they didn't want to, anymore than the opening scene, which didn't change his death; resurecting him would, though. I always assumed Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio unintentionally reworked Cable's device when they fixed it to time travel other demensions. Perhaps it was intentional and that is why they were so worried about the fact that they handed it over to Wade. And considering The TVA didn't prune him for going to see Happy, that means it was meant to happen because it all leads to Wade, in-universe, playing an important part we still don't know about. It all adds another layer to how untrustworthy Parodox is with his lies and what he ends up doing. I think he wanted to get rid of Wade, and Anchor Beings (while being a metaphor for movie executives) was a way to get Wade to let his guard down long enough to be pruned while still following enough orders to not get caught doing all his rougue acts. The concept doesn't actually exist, in my opinion, but what Deadpool and Wolverine do, makes the X-Men universe healthier (or whatever the phrase was Hunter B15 used). After listening to Feige on his definition of Anchor Beings, I think an assumption could be made for a few things: 1. By the end of The MCU (whenever that may be) we still won't see the universe dead because it will have taken longer than great great great granchildren not born yet, to die. 2. Or each Saga and/or Phase could each have their own anchor being (example Tony Stark). 3. Or considering the next Saga is going to be a starting point to all Marvel properties being usable in the MCU (and therefore a soft reboot), we still haven't seen an Anchor Being in 616. 4. I do think Wolverine dealing with his issues and becoming the hero shows you can replace an Anchor being, if they are real. At the end of the day its all just too metaphorical to matter much to any grander scheme past ending FOX X-Men to incorparate things officially into the MCU, whether they end up being real or not. I can't remember if B15 knows what became of Loki in the tree or not, but if so it explains even more so, why she didn't like what he did; and if not she seems to be fixing the mistake of Paradox being in charge of anything. I don't think Gambit, Elektra, or Blade are from 10005. I think they got pruned before The TVA changed how they do things. With the exception of Laura, as that wasn't too long ago, chronologically speaking. Loki S2 said all Kangs had been rounded up. Unless shown otherwise, I'm assuming that means all Kangs are caught. Including everyone from the Quanumania end credit scene.
The best thing about this film is Wesley Snipes as blade he still looks good and kicked ass Of course Henry Freaking Cavill as Wolverine he was sexy handsome acted that scene out to pieces and it was epic Chris evans as Johnny storm from the fantastic four original film Wolverine still looks good But I’ve always said if the only good thing about a film is the action scenes then no matter how good those scenes are it’s not a good film And that’s how I feel about this film too many unnecessary fight scenes between Wolverine and Deadpool especially the Honda car scene it didn’t need to happen But if you take away all the cameos and the fight scenes what are you left with nothing Just a film that really isn’t about anything and not even the bigger mcu It’ll make money but It won’t make a billion dollars
@@Buffy8Fan Wow...like, just wow. Excellent commentary. Loved all of it. As for your viewing order, it seems to work to me. Honestly, any order is okay, as I think the order is very dependent on the person. But your order doesn't have any issues that I can see.
Paradox in the movie says something along the lines of "we used to prune such timelines but apparently we don't do that anymore." So it has to take place after Loki season 2
Taking about Cable's device "I'll let that slide" ... I see what you did there, well played. I also agree with you 100%, the Loki season 1 episode 5 line was my favorite joke in the movie as well.
my understanding of anchor beings is basically once the 'audience' loose interest, once the main attraction to a movie dies, and or once things are slowly forgotten about.. i.e Electra's solo movie. blade 1, 2 ,3. the undeveloped Gambit movie... the universe dies with that character or concept. it ceases to exist within the zeitgeist and there for becomes extinct. also why it takes 'a thousand years or so' as a reference to die hard fans never letting go of the thing they so loved. and having a hard time accepting any other portrayal of a character. edit: example Tony Stark death.. everything in mcu since has been lack lustre and it has been rumoured the mcu is slowly fading, dying out... once Ironman as 616's Anchor being has died that universe slowly falls apart until it dies and they have to 'soft-reboot' to create a new attraction (most likely fantastic 4) with an incursion between two worlds colliding eventually leading to Doom and battle World
I agree 100%. I think it was more of a clever meta joke on the movie industry and connected universes dying when they lose their main star, rather than something that is to be taken as actual metaphysics logic in the MCU. I will honestly be surprised if the term ever surfaces again.
No way home was actually corny asf. Poor dialogue and forced interactions regardless of my admiration for Spiderman. Moon knight is as forgettable as everything else the saving grace was oscar Issac being an elite actor. Loki was pointless given it was setting up Kang to be the new big bag and a multiversal threat just to be absolutely undermined by ant man with last minute reshoots that killed prime kang (not to mention J.M controversy) So yes. Everything has been lack-luster. The one good thing to be released and to have actual relevance was guardians 3. And now Deadpool and wolverine (which is also the weakest out of the now 3 DP films. Even though I love 3 to bits!) MCU has been shit. Woke. Political and forgot how to be compliant story tellers while trying to juggle woke Hollywood whilst pandering to propaganda agenderists, politics they have no business dictating and deep throating us with gay/woke/female empowerment bs and totally incompetent staff hires. Whilst burning bridges with the people who built the MCU with passion and love. We were literally one bad flop away from becoming the starwars universe and luckily chapec was smart enough to pull the rug, fire the woke and cut the production line of totally bs TV and movies. Make the MCU great again!!
@@OwenMarshall-c5q Yeah, uh, we are not continuing this discussion. Since it's obvious what your actual problems are. And no, the list I mentioned doesn't have anything "woke". Also no, Loki wasn't to setup Kang, that was the work of other movies, it was to setup all the timelines and how the work and how Loki would bring order to the disorder that had been created. But either way, as I said, there's no point since i just read the most conservative comment I have ever seen.
Ok after seeing the film twice and comparing the notes from Loki, Quantumania, What If, Multiverse of Madness, Thor the Dark World, GotG, Eternals and even Dark Phoenix. I think I have a good understanding of what the Multiverse is and where Deadpool's 10005 comes in. Before the 616, time, and space, there was a black void with the Dark Elves. Then the 4 cosmic entities created the Infinity Stone causing the Big Bang, creating the follow of time. The Celestials then filled the virgin Universe/Multiverses with everything. However, things are different in 10005. "Because it's the spark that gave life to the universe and the flame that consumed my world." ―Vuk. The Phoenix Force created the Fox universe, does that mean no Infinity Stones, Eternity and the other Cosmic Entities? Idk. Loki S1 goes on to show us giant black holes, each containing a timeline ring (some call it a bush). We learn that other Kang variants come from these BH. He Who Remains weaponized Alioth, made the TVA, the Loom, and the Sacred Timeline to stop the Multiversal War. So, yes, the BH are the Multiverse. 616 is just 1 universe. Or Multiverse. Michael Wauldren said in an interview on the official Marvel Website about Loki S1 that multiple Multiverses exist. Also the Sacred Timeline is it's own Multiverse. We see what this means in Loki S2, as the Loom keeping 616 together breaks causing a Multiverse to formed from infinite timeline branches growing. This makes sense as a multiverse is a collection of multiple universes and timelines in Loki are universes in of themselves. So when What If calls the Tree Loki forms a Multiverse, it isn't wrong, it's just not the whole Multiverse. Wauldren goes on to call the collection of every BH the "Greater Multiverse". We hear in behind the scenes that America is special for being able to travel the Multiverse. Yet in What If Wanda and other characters cross timelines fine. That's because travel between timelines and travel between BHs is different. What If timeline hopping seems to not cause incursions. However, MoM says travel between BH universe do cause Incursions. This also lines up with HWR description of the Multiversal War. Loki establishes that branched timelines are labeled as universe # . # Ex: 616.203. However, 838 and 10005 aren't labeled like that. So how does the TVA monitor 10005. At the end of S2, the TVA started monitoring for other Kangs and S1 established Kangs come from other BH. This was also backed up in Quantumania which is referenced in S2. Therefore after S2, the TVA started monitoring possibly every BH for Kangs. (Ok but real talk how do they deal with Kangs, do they prune them, I feel like that wouldn't stop Kang) So is Deadpool and 10005 apart of the 616 tree. No, it's seperate. 616 is only itself and it's branches. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Love it! I agree with all of that. If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" video, you might check it out: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html. I said alot of the same things. We are totally on the same wavelength. So cool!
After Paradox says he can’t replace Logan with “this”, he then says something like “I wouldn’t have taken any other Wolverine you brought, but you had to go and one up yourself and bring me the worst one.” So no, I don’t think an anchor could be replaced, at least not until the end of the movie after the time ripper was destroyed. Not really sure how that changed it though to be honest.
Good points...I wonder if the time ripper was reversed by Logan and Wade so that they partially re-wrote the timeline...like a mini version of the God of Stories?
One thing to keep in mind with the whole "why didn't X cause an incursion?" line of questioning, is that Reed was saying it was a *risk* of an incursion, not that it would definitely cause one. For example, think of a CD spinning in a portable player. A bit of shaking and everything is just fine, the built-in "anti-skip" handles it--this is someone taking a short visit into another universe. The longer the shaking goes on and the more intense it gets (or in this case the longer a foreign person stays in another universe and the more they impact events), the more likely a "skip" happens, which is an incursion. According to Clea, these can be fixed, but too severe an instance, and the whole thing breaks, damaging the "disk," or universe in this case.
But wolverines in fox universe forever now as an anchor being right? So eventually given what we know, there should be an incursion happening in that timeline
Deadpool reversed time. So his universe isnt an alternate timeline , its the original - even tho he originally died , he reversed it and his friends death. Then he reverse time back to origins , killing himself , but he also reversed back to 2009 before green latern, and since cable can return to his time , its implied the forward function sends you to the reverse time - which would be the original one u came to , not the new future.
Great point! I agree, it's a matter of how much time you spend in the other universe that causes the issue. And I guess it was fine if Wade was sent to 616 as Paradox suggested, since Paradox was then going to kill off his universe meaning there would be no chance of an incursion happening between 616 and 10005. Anyway, excellent explanation!
@@lightskinjayt2627 So, my guess is that Wolverine in the movie was from a branch of 10005, so he therefore won't cause an incursion. I think it's only when you go to an alternate universe that it's an issue.
It was a really fun ride me and my brother kept gasping over the Johnny, Blade, Elektra, and Gambit cameos, loved that title sequence fight, and laughed out loud over that PostCredit with Johnny
What i love about the deadpool franchise is that they made it their mission to fix the past mistakes of the fox universe and making the old characters comic accurate that were done wrong in the xmen movies first fixing deadpool and collosses then juggernaut and ending with fixing wolverine was the cherry on top
Yeah, I try my best to do it in one take. Every now and then I have to edit out a stumble, but I've found that doing it without a pre-written script and speaking instead as a fellow MCU fan discussing things with friends works alot better. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your positive feedback. Thanks so much!
I really think the Punisher they talk about was originally going to be alive and on the team with these other 2000s marvel characters and that he was going to be the Ray Stevenson version of the character until his death, I think it’s no coincidence that the car that the writers chose has enough room for at least 1 other person in it
I have to agree. That's probably also the reason for The Russian from War Zone, complete with the red and white striped shirt. That one took me a minute to figure out. Crazy that Stevenson didn't come to mind until seeing your comment.
1) A correction, E-10005 X-23 would be six during DP&W, because she was born in 2018, and was 11 in Logan. 2) I don't think E-10005 is a "tree", I don't think most universes are. Yes, it can still be called that because it's a universe which is a collection of 'branching' timelines (branch, tree, plant metaphors). But I think 616/199999 is uniquely tree-shaped or rather Yggdrasil-shaped BECAUSE it's being held together by Loki, but not all universes have a Loki certainly not all holding their universes together. The only reason 616 Loki is there doing what he's doing is because of HWR's failsafes on the Loom that basically ensure the whole thing dies/rips to shreds if he isn't the last one standing. 3) I think the guest characters are from different universes than E-10005. As for the designations, while they aren't always reliable, they're certainly not fan creations, they come from the Official Marvel Handbooks. Not accounting for the possibility that they could themselves be variants just played by the same actors (such as JJJ in Tobey's Spider-Man and the MCU), Blade should be from E-26320 and Elektra should be from E-701306. As for Johnny, I'm not quite sure he actually IS the same Johnny from the 2005 films. The suit/4 logo doesn't match up, and sure you could chalk that up to time passing/new suits, but then there's also the fact he has a Boston accent, which Johnny in the old films never did. I also don't think the old Tim Story F4 should be written off just yet for Secret Wars. 4) My biggest one and most interesting one: aside from Wolvy, we don't see any more X-Men in this movie than we do in the first two Deadpool films (and I'm excluding DP2's brief gag cameo). It's just Colossus, Negasonic and Yukio. Every other mutant we see in the void (Pyro, Toad, Sabretooth, Azazel, etc) is either a Brotherhood member or not affiliated with any group. There were all these talks and interviews and rumors and yet -- we did not even get a "third act flashback" to James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, Anna Paquin, Ian McKellen... none of them. Combine that with the film ending with DP remaining in 10005 and Kelsey Grammar's appearance in The Marvels and I begin to think that this might be more of the comedic standalone appetiser to a larger meal.
Awesome feedback! 1. Yeah, I can't believe I said she was 1. I was doing quick math and chose the 2018 date for DP 2 rather than the 2024 date for DP&W. D'oh! 2. Agree 100%. I've started called the X-men universe more like a briar patch than a tree, as that's what it seems to be. 3. I do like the idea of Elektra and Blade being from different universes than 10005. That makes alot of sense. As for saying the fan made universes aren't always reliable, I was more referring to the fact that many fan sites listed Logan as being a different earth designation than Deadpool's, but this movie seemed to confirm Logan was in the same timeline as Deadpool. Honestly, I've never quite understood why timelines are given different earth designations by fans, such as giving the OG X-Men timeline a different designation than the revised timeline of DoFP. 4. You could be right that this movie was a fun one-off, but I am certain we'll see Hugh's Wolverine and Ryan's Deadpool again, so my guess is that to the reduce confusion of creating several X-Men universes/timelines that instead Feige will say The Marvels and DP&W are the same universe. Just a theory, but I do like the idea. Thanks for all the awesome feedback. Really appreciate it!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree with the third point. The revised/post-DOFP X-Men timeline always felt like it should be a E-10005B or E-10005.211 rather than an entirely new universe designation, like some people pushed for, likewise with Logan although to be fair until DP&W we didn’t know entirely for sure if Logan was in the revised 10005 timeline, especially with the director and others saying it was in it’s own timeline/universe removed from the others. While I’m not the biggest fan of all t creative decisions this film made, I’m glad they stuck with Logan being in the main X-Men timeline, because while it’s another bleak ending for the X-Men (and almost certainly one that’ll be undone come Avengers: Secret Wars) that overwrites the happy ending of DOFP - it’s simultaneously the perfect sendoff for Wolverine as a character, such beautiful acting and portrayals by Jackman and Stewart that should not just be locked off to it’s own unconnected inconsequential timeline/universe as it’s own thing IMO.
@@ThePatchedVest Yeah, I think Secret Wars will ultimately have a bittersweet ending, as it seems every other universe is going to die with only a single universe left. Sigh.
Adored it! One of the best Marvel Films I’ve seen in a while! I still wonder the extend of Loki’s control. Is he overseeing the ENTIRE Multiverse, or just the MCU timelines aka 616, X97, What If, etc. Anyway, excellent video as always!
I agree...the big question is what Loki is doing. My theory is that just keeping the 616 tree is order is a huge job. Also, if he was controlling the other universes, it seems he could find a way to prevent the upcoming incursions. But I agree, I think Marvel needs to definitively answer the question and DP&W wasn't really the movie to do that. However, I loved the movie for all that it gave us. Soooooo good. Can't wait to see it again!
After last night's announcement of RDJ playing a Victor von Doom variant, I think the most important thing to come out of this movie is actually Chris Evans' cameo and establishing that different individuals (in this case, Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers, and for Doomsday, Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom) can have Variants that are identical to each other. This is also a great way of explaining actors who've played multiple roles in the MCU, like Mahershala Ali playing Cottonmouth and Blade. Their MCU Variants just happen to look identical AND exist in the same universe. The Multiverse is very weird, since there's even one universe where TWO variants of the same person co-existed. (Jessica Jones, to be specific. One with her standard powers and an adult going by Knightress, and a teenager with Rogue's absorption powers going by Jewel.)
Thanks for your patience. I really apologize for it taking so long. Been a crazy, crazy few days...but in a good way. Hope you liked the breakdown. Thanks so much for watching!!
6:30 Ummm, in DP2 Cable gave up his last charge to return to his wife and daughter in the future to save DP from being shot. So while it may not be able to go from universe to universe, it clearly was able to go back and forth in time.
Good point...not sure why Negasonic focused on reversing time and not going forward in time in her quote, but you are correct that it can go both directions.
For this Wolverines backstory he didn't just go to a bar and missed the massacre of the X-Men. Him going to the bar was when it happened, but the true backstory is that he distanced himself from the X-Men instead of embracing them as friends and family. Wolverine being the powerhouse he is could maybe have saved them if he had chosen not to be a drunk and a loner. That is why he is wearing his yellow suit because it reminds him of them (he could also maybe wear the suit as a punishment for his failures). This shows that he made a mistake to not embrace them and be better and that's why he feel such guilt (and also not for being able to control his rage that killed a lot of innocent people).
A minor detail about the movie that I really liked is how they finally revealed the pronunciation of Earth-10005 is "one-triple zero-five." That's something I've wondered about for years.
I absolutely loved that Channing Tatum finally got his chance to play Gambit after all these years, and he even got to wear a comic accurate suit. Also, I don't think he's from Earth-10005.
Just saw the movie yesterday and I had a ton of fun. So many cameos. It was absolutely mind-blowing. You should’ve also seen me jamming to the needle drops lol.
Your theory on the multiverse/neighboring trees with their own branches makes the most sense. Loved Deadpool & Wolverine and all the Loki & TVA connectivity!
You've referenced the she-hulk show several times during this video essay, but didn't consider that it's magician with a sling ring might have wandered into the void.
Really fun review - thank you. Surprised you didn't mention Wolverine pulling over his comic accurate mask for the final battle scenes or the credit scene love letter of behind the scenes of the old Fox movies - I thought that was a nice, nostalgic touch. I think Channing Tatum has a line about his cancelled Gambit movie; something like: "Some stories never told" lol The jokes and digs were crazy in this movie.
Great points! I should have mentioned the mask for Wolverine as that was so cool to finally see it on him. And yeah, those credit scenes were so touching. It brought back so many memories watching them. What a great way to honor all the Fox movies over the last 24 years!
I just love your videos man. They's not just for the hype like a lot of popular MCU content yt channels. You actually put in effort and have a unique perspective.
When it comes to the sling ring, I think the way it’s supposed to work is that the void at the end of time isn’t for any particular universe, but instead that’s where all of time converges to a single point where every timeline leads into the void, and that’s why no matter what timeline you’re in if something gets pruned it all appears in the same void, so that being said the infinity stones from any universe can work in the void since technically it’s still in the same time stream.
36:22 I wondered this too. I'd like to think that if Deadpool occurred in the main X-men universe, that the Laura in the apartment was the one that was from Logan and not her variant.
she’s from Logan and was pruned to the Void several years after Logan (2030’s) and came back to the universe in 2024 at the end of the movie. this is all based on the fact that Logan takes place in the timeline cause of him being the anchor being or whatever
Yeah, it's weird since they seem to indicate that the Deadpool movies and the Logan movie are in the same timeline. So, if X-23 is from the future after the Logan movie (say 2035) of the same timeline, then two of her from the same timeline would be there in 2024. Very odd!
What's interesting to me about Kang is that James Gunn confirmed that Kang originally belonged to Fox prior to the buyout. So, technically they could just write out the Council of Kangs by saying that it was the 616 Variants coming together, but they were killed off or whatever by the 10005 Variant of Kang. Which could even be used as an excuse to have the X-Men fight the Avengers because the Avengers know Kang is evil, while the X-Men could be manipulated by their Kang into believing that it's really the Avengers that are evil because of what Doctor Strange did with the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness.
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah it's always been interesting to me that Fox had all these characters but they never really used them. Sadly, my Kang theory isn't going to come true with the reveal of RDJ coming back to play Doctor Doom. But I still think my idea's a fun little what if.
For the topic or 2 Wolverines and 2 Lauras, it makes sense for there being 2 of each so that the events of Logan can still play out the way it needs to. Either that or the 2018 date of Deadpool 2 needs to be retconned to be further in the future.
Yeah, it's just so confusing, but I agree, one of the two things you said needs to happen. But I honestly don't like either one. If there are 2, then it's possible things might end up differently due to there being a second Wolverine in the timeline. Heck maybe someone tries to prevent the original one from dying. But if Deadpool set is after 2029, then the world is in a very strange place due to what happens in Logan and Colossus would be acting differently, it seems. Just hurts my head!
This movie was awesome! One of my favorite we're the credits, showing the behind scenes of the Fox Marvel movies. As a kid from the 2000s, those movies we're my first indroduction to the X-Men characters and seeing this tribute made me really just emotional.
Saw the movie with my brother today, and i absolutely loved it. Wade and Logans dynamic, the performances, especially Jackman and Reynolds, the humor, the meta jokes, the action, the fact that it actually earns its R rating, everything. I love this movie, and yes, i also loved the cameos. Especially Evans as Johnny Storm and Snipes as Blade, i was not expecting either of them, especially Blade since that wasn't even a Fox film, but i still loved it anyways, i even went "No Freaking Way" in the theater when he came on screen, only i didnt say freaking. Lol. What i love about the cameos too apart from the meta humor and the fact they actually play into the story, is that they kindof play into the themes as well. Not only do they represent a different era of marvel. Blade represents the 90s, Johnny and Elektra represent the 2000s, Laura represents the 2010s, Cavill represents a potential future, and Gambit represents what never was. But also, they play into the themes of giving franchises a conclusion (which is why, yes, i do agree, Mr. Paradox could be a stand-in for Studio executives, and the anchor thing could have a meta subtext to it) but also being a love letter to the late 90s/2000s Era of Marvel, mainly the Fox films. Which with that, is another reason why they work so freaking well. Also, love the tribute to fox that played during the credits, and to music used in Seinfeld no less, which was icing on the cake. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Also, also, weird seeing how young Hugh was in that archive footage. But yeah, i do agree, i wish they explained the Anchor thing better, as that was one of my only problems with the movie, too. However, i believe since this Wolverine and Deadpool became Earth-10005 Anchor beings, i believe this means Logan of Earth-10005 that we knew from X-Men 2000 to Logan may have been merged into this Logan in the film, kindof like what DC was going to do with Keatons Batman in the original ending of the Flash, before the DCEU fell apart. Idk about Laura though, also, kindof wish Gambit, Blade, and Elektra were also at the table in that ending scene but oh well. Also, also, sadly no Disney Princess roast scene, but i knew it wouldn't happen (and it probably would not make any sense anyways) though maybe that can be its own thing, like a special presentation or something. But yeah, anyways, solid and fun film, plan on seeing it again, very well paced too, definitely deserves a 9.5/10.
Fantastic commentary on the film. I agree with everything you said (including the fact that we needed that Disney Princess roast scene). Such a good movie!
Also I don’t think Loki is in charge of the TVa . I think he’s maintaining the growth of 616 tree but he doesn’t control the day to day operations of the TvA bureaucracy. I think people are assuming he’s in control and missed the whole subtext of the Loki series. This version of Loki has found his real glorious purpose which is >not one of a RULER . He’s a protector not a ruler . Someone else . Maybe B15 is running the new TVA .
I feel like anchor beings could be something brought up again in secret wars/doomsday. If a war world is created in these movies it could be made out of universes with missing anchor beings, as they could be more easily manipulated and forced together. And it could be the reason that 616 gets dragged in, if Tony was it's anchor being it's now opened up to what could be Doom's plan.
I honestly think the Thor thing was an intentionally doctored TVA footage by Paradox to manipulate Wade into thinking they'll make him into a hero like Iron Man who scrifices himself. Rehashing Deadpool 1 Ajax plot point kind of.
I found 3 big mistakes in the movie. Assuming that the timeline continuity of Deadpool movies series is the same of Logan (2017): 1st mistake: Deadpool is looking for a Wolverine to serve as a replacement as an anchor being, and he can perfectly go for the Wolverine of his present (2024, because 6 years have passed since the events of Deadpool 2 which takes place during 2018), so the search of the anchor being as we saw it, was not necessary. The only thing Deadpool has to do is ensure that Charles Xavier does not have that mental attack that caused all the mutants to die as was known in Logan (2017). 2nd mistake: when Cassandra enters Wolverine's mind, scenes from Logan (2017) are seen, this means that the worst version of Wolverine lived through a good part of the events of the movie Logan, which means that he should have recognized X-23 when he met her in the Void. 3rd mistake: At the end of the movie, Wolverine and X-23 are seen with Deadpool's friends. The problem is that there are then 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in the Fox Universe.
I like the idea that there are two wolverines and the tva are like "this SHOULD break the universe but it seems stable so let's not mess with it" like when your code is throwing errors but the program is running anyway
Yep...I struggled with the same three issues. No doubt about it, you just have to shut your brain off when you watch a Deadpool movie. It's great entertainment, but you can't think about it too hard, ig. lol!
In my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong 1: By the rules of Loki, even changing the past won't change the future, instead create a branch timeline of that timeline, so the events of Logan would've happened otherwise with respect to prior Deadpool. Paradox never said by replacing the anchor, it solves the issue. But by saying that thought, Deadpool thinks that's the viable solution, that's why he tries to find a replacement DESPITE not being the solution of his timeline fixing. 2. Since there are not much video sources, for this moment, what I can say is it doesn't mean he has to meet her despite he lived through some events of Logan. 3. They are now living in an alternate reality where there are 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in that Fox timeline. FYI. I agree that changing some minor things in the past might change the future as if it was already there, for example, Peggy and Steve. If the continuity make sense, then it closes a time loop as if they were already there. However, since we now know that Logan has to die, changing that outcome would make a branch reality. All he can do without branching is anything that would still lead to the events of Logan.
Tbh,this movie gave me the vibes of the animated ultimate Spider-Man,Hulk Vs, X men Evolution Series,I loved it soo much especially Deadpool's love language comedy - purrfect!!! Speaking of timelines - According 2 me, Deadpool is really a God's perfect idiot because he travelled to the past , present and 2018 during temporal loom overloading & returned to his timeline just when Loki gave free will & Nurtured the timelines,so under his blessings Deadpool's tiny little universe E-41633 created space and became one with E-10005 and it was possible because of Deadpool killing Dead-pool otherwise his head survived and would exist..& God of Stories was so impressed with The tale of Logan and Laura Howlett - 2029,E-17315 it also became a part of E- 10005 and that's how Logan became a Nexus / Anchor Being but the TVA interrupted and pruned not the timeline but only X- 23 as she was about to become new anchor being as a legacy to his papa,and paradox didn't wanted it but in this new E-10005, 2029 there could be more clone twins of X-23 Prime ,as prime one when to the void and joined the resistance, Speaking of the 2 New Anchor beings - Wolverine and Deadpool,first did Wolverine became Anchor beings of his universe or E-10005? If Wolverine, Deadpool, X-23 ( past, present,future) anchor beings of E-10005 ,let's just say then it would create an incursion because in E- 10005 there would be 2 Wolverines, one with the X- Men and one with Deadpool N the longer the footprint Wolverine leaves behind even though he is an anchor being that doesn't change anything for an upcoming incursion... I wouldn't say for X-23 because she became a part of E-10005 right after loki S2, Deadpool's return to his timeline 2018, X-23 living in the same universe and suddenly getting shifted to E-10005. 2. Thanks, to Logan from logan movie because he became an anchor being with his sacrifice act and he paved a way for his variants to break this absolute point and they could live long enough surpassing 2029 year. That's the reason the drunken wolverine says he's 200 years old meaning he is from 2032 timeline and his variants are Ultimate wolverine who fights Hulk, Clint Eastwood old man logan, Weapon Omega and this would be supposed journey of Drunken wolverine and it's plausible that this Drunken wolverine's reality's future version is cable's timeline - 2054.. As always this movie gave me the crisp of a portion from the Battleworld story arc - 2015🎉🎉🎉.
Wow...those were some incredibly cool ideas. I love it. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on the movie. Truly appreciate it and loved reading it all!
Few pointers. If Deadpool and Wolverine took place in 2024 and Logan, we know take place in 2029 where Logan dies, it’s why Universe 10005 is going out of existence. They might be using the same idea from the comic as when an incursion occurs, at the point of incursion, the whole universe gets wiped out but it’s a cascading effect going both ways, it’s NOT instant, so all of the future still remains, as we saw Captain America in the comic was able to travel so far into the future via the Time Stone. It also implies all of the past still remain as well because we saw Doctor Doom with the help of Molecule Man was able to travel back 25 years into the past. So here, Logan dies in 2029, let’s say that’s the Incursion Point, and Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 2024, Paradox said it’s may take up to 1000 years until the timeline, I guess the whole universe gets wiped out. So technically they can still travel upward to of 1000 years into that future of timeline and everything will still look okay. Same way they can travel all throughout the branching timelines associated with universe 10005, nothing will have look out of place. The Anchor Being concept, I think you are right and they intentionally made it very meta, I think it’s also same way how Molecule Man supposedly works during the whole Secret Wars build up. If a Molecule Man dies in one universe, that universe gets wiped out. And there’s a Molecule Man in every universe. So instead of a Molecule Man from comic, we have Anchor Beings. So in the Scared Timeline, if they implies Tony being an Anchor Being, with his death in Endgame, nothing in the MCU seem off right. Probably because it’s won’t be a long time until the timeline gets wiped away. Unless we see some sort of Accelerant that gets introduce into the MCU that will speed up that process. - So Cassandra Nova, got to be one of my favorite villain in the MCU. The way she speaks, her demeanor, her power. The whole fingers shoving into the brain. She was really well done. So the shirtless Wolverine, I mean it’s an MCU movie so we gotta have that for sure. And Shaw Levy did confirm it’s the real Huge JACKman. I mean if you seen all the workout videos Hugh did while filming this movie, it’s legit. As for future set ups. I think it’s no question Ryan Deadpool and Hugh Wolverine will have huge parts in future Avenger movies. Until the end of Multiverse Saga, we might not get a new definitive Wolverine, imo, Huge Wolverine never been better in the role than he is now. Super suits and all. I’m more interested in their potential solo outings. Deadpool potential team up with Thor? And Wolverine, we got to see that fight with Hulk for sure. and that’s definitely Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk from 2012 Avengers, Deadpool even did that Loki’s speech calling Hulk a dulling creature before getting smashed. I can see B-15 having bigger supporting role in either Deadpool and/or Wolverine future solo/team ups movie, seeking out Deadpool and/or Wolverine help to fight beings that threshing the multiverse, timelines, etc. Throughly enjoyed the movies, can’t wait to see what’s next for these two.
I love the whole anchor being idea because of how meta it is. The TVA seems like this omnipotent organization in-universe but they still have “theories” per se about phenomena like universes dying. They don’t actually know that there’s a plane of reality above them (real world or maybe the She Hulk’s interpretation of the real world) where studio executives cancel franchises and actors retire, so they have to create their own in-universe explanations for these phenomena. Really reminds me of the metanarratives of Undertale and Deltarune, if anyone is familiar with those games.
To me the “meta” theme is that it’s not about the X-men or Deadpool being in the MCU that matters, what matters is that the characters being represented are being done with the upmost care. This movie doesn’t read like a “we need Deadpool in the MCU to save the MCU!” It reads more like “we need people to understand even if this isn’t a full MCU movie, it’s still a good superhero movie, indicating “it’s not just our universe (MCU) that makes this stuff special, it’s all the history. It’s the fact that, when done right, anyone can make a good superhero movie.” If anything it feels MORE like a jab to Fox executives who shied away from the silliness of this franchise
This movie was so amazing! My dad and I loved everything about it: the visuals, the sound design, the fight choreography, the casting, the cameos, the acting, etc. Just awesome! It's funny because we didn't like Deadpool when we first watched it back in 2016, but we love it now after giving it another try. Glad we did and thanks for another great video 😤🔥!
39:03 I think conceptually you’re right, but they’re going to take their time before avengers versus X-Men, so that the general audiences who haven’t seen the old movies can get new stories in the X-Men universe with new actors like the fantastic four before universes collide
Blade showing up in the movie shocked me. I did not expect him to be in the movie especially since blade wasn’t owned by fox, and Ryan and Wesley hated each other on blade trinity. I remember I commented on a video saying I think blade wouldn’t show up and I’m glad i was so wrong. Also with the scene where the tva agent gets eaten, it was apparently cut and I think tva agent is played by Rob Mcelhenney, who is Ryan Reynolds friend in real life and also had a show with him called welcome to wrexham, Rob also starred in its always sunny in Philadelphia, it makes sad his cameo got cut because he is so funny in it’s always sunny. Also when I saw the movie with my friends we got a trailer for a Chris Evan’s movie where he looked different, but I turned to my friend and said hey it’s captain America and he’s like “how did you know that he was on screen for 20 seconds” and I said he has a unique voice. Fast forward to when we are watching the movie and Johnny Storm appears wearing a hood and he spoke I was like “I think I know that voice but I need him to speak again just to be sure.” I just thought it was funny that I recognized Chris Evan’s in a trailer for some Christmas before seeing him in Deadpool and Wolverine
I thought about it and I bet the reason why Wesley was a jerk on set was because of his character being replaced by Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel. Jealousy I guess. And being pissed he wasn't the main character of his own movie. Same issue that marvel seems to be having with the blade script right now.
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For me this was the first project to do for really a multiversal adventure, where characters quite different from each other and above all forgotten (an excellent metaphor to give a final farewell to the Fox universe) find themselves in the "landfill" place per excellence, the void, a true purgatory of the multiverse. And whoever decides to be bad (Cassandra Nova's side) takes possession of something that doesn't exist and does it only because he failed to do it in his universe or just didn't have the chance to do it (this is clearly Cassandra's characterization, as well as his personal revenge against his brother). Instead, those who decide to rebel, heroes who couldn't or didn't have the chance to save their worlds, strangely thanks to the will of Deadpool and Wolverine, two characters who at the beginning of the movie are destroyed by their own failure, have the chance to show themselves for a last time and demonstrate the heroes they can be, despite being part of a legacy, the Fox one, now ready to disappear. In fact, the whole movie is a story of assert, the one between Deadpool and Wolverine. Deadpool saves his world, his family and makes it clear that unlike the plan Paradox had in mind, universes can coexist, the anchor is not an absolute thing and that even metaphorically becoming part of the sacred timeline it is not an obligation. Wolverine on the other hand, like all the "heroes" in the void, by maturing his own failure helps to save what is still saveable, and in fact in that beautiful phrase said by B-15, which is also right because this is how the TVA should do it , Logan understands that you can't fix the universe, but you can "fix" yourself, and that's what he did, thanks also to a character as antihero and bizarre as Deadpool. Because yes, this movie proves that even antiheroes like Deadpool and underdogs like the Wolverine of this movie can have relevance in this great little multiverse. Honestly, I'm glad I didn't see all the possible cameos, especially regarding the X Men, because otherwise the sense of Secret Wars event would be lost, and above all they would have taken away the focus on the protagonists and the path they take. Several things regarding the TVA and the anchor issue are still to be explained and not to be ignored for subsequent movies, but the proposed adventure and the heart given to the two protagonists really made this movie fun and exciting, and this was certainly an excellent start to really show the potential of characters and curious dynamics in the multiverse thanks to the void. However, as regards the alternative versions of the two protagonists, it was clearly a bizarre and fun game to watch, and given the tone of the movie, it absolutely fits.
it’s a shame they killed her off. I don’t like the fact that they have killed almost every single villain off at the end of these movies besides promising ones like Loki and even for one movie, Thanos. i felt like Emma Corrin gave such a great performance of Cassandra and really made her her own person outside of the villain persona the character was put in that i genuinely thought she was gonna live alongside Deadpool and Wolverine at the end and wander back into the Void where she’ll remain to regain her powers and become stronger so she can come back for future movies, especially for the MCU X-men movies. I just think she would’ve been a great X-men mcu movie villain
Really liked the updated multiversal graphic with the void, quantum realm, etc. to the side. It will be nice to get the graphic with the Sony universe instead of, or in addition to, the paint. Being a selfish Ghost Rider fan I suggest him for the representative image for the Sony tree. 😆
It seems like DP&W happens after Logan died. Which means either Logan's death has just been retconned to having happened much earlier (say, 2024), or DP&W happens in 2029. If DP&W is set in 2029, then it retcons all the DP movies to happen a few years after their real-world release. So, we do know Wade visits Earth 616 in 2018, and that DP&W happens 6 years later. The only explanation is that Earth 10005 is 5 years ahead of Earth 616. So, Earth 616 would be in 2018 while Earth 10005 would be in 2023. Maybe Jesus was born 5 years prior or that Earth has a different event for its year 1.
When they are talking Logans death, the graphic shows the death of Logan and then reverberating back through the timeline. The visual accompanied with Paradox explanation led me to believe that the death of Logan leads to the destruction of the ENTIRE timeline, not just the a bookend, but an unraveling of the entire thing. This would mean the death of an anchor at any point would result in every point of the timeline beginning to unravel. Maybe the TVA just decided to grab deadpool from that moment in the timeline, as the entire thing is going to go kaput
Very good questions. I'm sorry for being so late to respond, but I think the other respondents nailed it. Logan is still in 2029, but DP&W is in 2024 and the death of Logan as the "anchor being" reverberates through time and destroys everything before and after the current 2024 setting of DP&W. At least, that's how I interpreted it. It was pretty tricky to follow, tbh.
Awesome video as always! Just had a question out of curiosity, your videos are always so diligent and detailed - clearly crafted with care. That being said, given this movie just came out, when you watch the latest marvel films do you take notes in the theater? Or is it all from memory (which would be impressive!). Or is it a combination where you go and see the film once for fun, and then go again to get prepared to make a video?
Great questions! So I go and take tons of notes and then try my best to reconstruct it. It's really hard and I wish there was some way we could pay Disney abit extra to have access to view the movie a second time at home if we signed all kinds of paperwork not to share it. But alas, I have to take notes and try my best to get it all down. My son also helped me remember stuff as well.
I kind of wish it got better explained in the movie but here's how I see it. Timelines and universes are the same, each timeline can have branches, creating alternate and parallel timelines/universes. If these alternate/parallel timelines/universe keep branching, they will eventually create a completely new timeline separate from the original. Each timeline and it's branches have an anchor being, if they die, the timeline and the branches connected to it will slowly fade into nothing. If separate timelines get to close to each other, and start branching into each other, they will eventually collide, causing incursions . Another quick note is that I think while Anchor beings are connected to a timeline and it's branches, absolute points are only specific to an individual branch/timeline, explaining Christine Palmer dying being a absolute point in one branch but not another. I think this also could explain why now MCU and the X-Men universes are finally interacting. Since the MCU sacred timeline is now able to expand infinitely thanks to Loki, it's now starting to hit other timelines previously unable to get to as it was isolated by He Who Remains. Anyways, that's just how I interpret it. Also I think this movie is sort of hinting at X-Men vs Avengers. I could see an incursion happening between Deadpools universe and the MCU causing a battle for the two. I think this was setup as currently in the Deadpool universe, all the X-Men are still active and we have a new wolverine there, setting it up to maybe be explored more.
Good theories on universes and timelines. I really hope we get more clarity in future multiverse movies, such as Fantastic 4. Fingers crossed. And yeah, I hope we get an Avengers vs. X-Men story. That would be so cool!
I love the jokes about Gambit just being there, especially when Deadpool says “Are you sure that you wanted to be called that [Gambit] but you were never really given a chance?” and in the same scene when Deadpool asks them how they got there, Gambit says “Maybe I was born here”, a reference to the undeveloped Gambit movie. Lol 😂 I was just laughing my ass off at this. It was so funny. Even Deadpool roasts Fox for their crappy decisions. Imagine if Channing Tatum was like Ryan Reynolds and advocated for his own movie. We would be having three Gambit movies by now. 🤣
One critique I have with the mcu “Tva” it seems timelines and universes are one and the same. Which doesn’t make sense. Because Ryan’s time device is for time travel only.. not universe. Tva then says he is traveling through time but they are different universes and not timelines. Every wolverine looked different and had different logic
It's easy to explain, Deadpool already has the ability to see other realities without external tech (unlike the TVA). That's why he can make meta commentary in-universe and break the 4th wall. Cable's device and the TVA pad enabled him to harness that ability and move across both timelines and universes since it's basically a GPS.
@@coolo73 I understand that I’m saying “Loki “Doctor strange 2” “no way home” all have their own logic of the multiverse. This movie follows loki but the only problem is timelines and universes aren’t different. Because they say oh you from another other. We’ll that’s not a different timeline , that would be a Different universe. If you are short in one universe and tall in another.. that has nothing to do with time at that point because you would of always been tall or short regardless. Tva really doesn’t change time, they change universes. Which is crazy to think they have the easy ability to do that because if that’s the point… America Chavez isn’t that special then
Yeah, the metaphysics in Deadpool movies are always abit unreliable. Cable's device should only allow him to reverse time, yet in DP 2 he jumps to a branched timeline to kill the crappy Deadpool and jumps to (it seems) the real world where he kills Ryan Reynolds. Then in DP&W, he jumps all the way to the 616. None of that makes sense, but Deadpool does as Deadpool pleases, it seems. However, once he gets the TVA device, I suspect he's only jumping to branches. Each Wolverine can look really different if the branch in the X-men timeline occurred long before Logan was born, for example. So that could result in very different looking Wolverines. Or at least that's my guess as to how that worked. Anyway, it's all pretty weird when Deadpool is in charge of a movie. lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U my only thing is .. are they timelines or different universes because marvel makes them sound one and the same I’m already confused about Asgard either being a planet in space or a realm within space which makes no sense
I like the part when Deadpool talks about the multiverse been having missed after missed, referring to post-endgame projects that went mediocre recently.
I think that Ancor beings may probably keep coming, however my very first thought about this was the meta commentary about main characters or actors of these dying/leaving and that franchise being done. I honestly think it’s far more to do with that than a new rule and concept being introduced, seeing as the themes fit very well with that notion.
It’s definitely ruffalo’s hulk but it’s not ruffalo himself, also isn’t it cool that cavillrine is the only non jackman wolverine variant, only time we’ve seen this so far is in Loki with the Lokis and spiderman but that’s more meta-textual, I’d say binary but she has to be named Carol Danvers for it work the same way
Yeah, it sure seemed like Ruffalo's hulk, which is cool. And I do love that all the variants were Hugh, other than Henry. My guess is that particular timeline branched early enough that it resulted in a very different looking Wolverine. Such an awesome movie!
@@AbitofEverything4U hey have you ever thought about what could have happened to Kang when he was absorbed into the Heart of Forever in Quantumania . I believe a lot of concepts were demonstrated in Quantumania via the task Kang gave Scott. I think we were shown the HOF is a probability drive that can calculate infinite possibilities. If it absorbed Kang it’s not too far fetched to believe either Kang’s aura was spread across all realities or due to him also being hit with enlarging and shrinking disks it’s highly possible that his awareness < was maximized BEYOND the 5th dimension due to his conscious also spreading across every possible reality . I’m saying either his Aura was broken down into every possible version of himself CREATING A CLOSED LOOP(the multiversal war) or he was enlarged and can now see all realities at once .
29:25-I think this was an instance of Ryan Reynolds trolling us due to the early leaks. He also "leaked" a Predator in The Void as being a cameo but it didn't happen
Here's my thing about Anchor beings. Initially, I hated this idea also. But when I thought about it, it actually makes a lot of sense. In the MCU, universes ARE timelines, a branching timeline becomes its own "universe." From a meta standpoint, writers create new universes to tell a specific story they wouldn't otherwise be able to tell in the previous universe. The timestream in the MCU seems to operate like an organic being (like a tree if you will), so branches can be thought of as the timeline branching out to tell a certain story. Once that story ends, I.E. once a character dies, that branch becomes withered and useless. The story has been told, the idea has run its course. One of the things holding me back also was the thought that "Oh, well, what about before the anchor being is born? What happens during that time? But again, timelines/universes "branch." So the "before" part is from another existing timeline, and that point onward involve the anchor being. I wouldn't be surprised if it's further revealed/explained that anchor beings are always the "cause" of a timeline branching off, I think this would solidify the idea anyway. UPDATE: As I thought about it, that part about people that cause branching becoming an anchor being makes even more sense. Consider our Logan, a known anchor being of his timeline. He literally went back in time and averted the DOFP sentinel timeline. I.E. he branched it off. In that moment, Logan caused a new timeline and became its anchor being. This just makes the most intuitive sense that someone who creates a new timeline becomes interlinked with it UPDATE 2: Paradox DOES actually say you can't replace an anchor being. The line after that is "I wouldn't have taken any of the wolverines, but you had to go out of your way and get the worst one." He's just saying it's not a thing you can do, but even if you could, you got the worst one
An anchor being is in the comics. It’s the role that the molecule man plays in secret wars. Molecule man’s death made an explosion so big, it knocked the universe into another, causing the first incursion which caused a domino affect in the multiverse. This was a bomb put into EVERY molecule man in every universe. The bombs were placed inside molecule men by the beyonders as an experiment. A sick, twisted one
13:17 Speaking of rippling, I'd recommend you watch the miniseries The Triangle with Eric Stoltz if you haven't seen it. It's a multiverse concept that does something similar to what your describing. Might not be the most amazing show but well worth at least a single watch.
Cool...I'll have to check it out. You made me think at first of the 2009 movie Triangle, which has some incredible time loops in it. It's a sci fi movie disguised as a horror. Really good!
I was wondering about that. Do we know if it's considered canon? It's so hard to tell with those things. It seems like it could be canon as there's nothing that causes any issues, it seems.
Man, brilliant video as always. About the anchors, I don’t think Paradox is lying. I think this concept will be important in the next Avengers movies since it’s pretty similar to the Molecule Man in the comics. Also I have a question for you. In the Loki tv show we learn that after the Multiversal War the Kang variants could not use their tech (which is basically the TVA tech) to travel to the Sacred Timeline, but in this movie they use the TVA devices to travel from one universe to another (which is actually consistent with He Who Remains backstory, when he and the other Kangs shared technology to travel through their universes). So do you think that normally one could use a TimePad to travel to different universes, but because of the Loom the Kang variants could not interfere with 616? And bonus question: how would you put this movie in the mcu timeline? We know Loki s2 “takes place” in 2026 (because it needs to happen after Quantumania). But we also know Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in 2024 (and we assume that it is the year 2024 at the same time in 616 and 10005) but it really wouldn’t make sense to put the movie in 2024 in the mcu timeline since from the TVA point of view this happens after Loki. I’m really confused about this.
Awesome questions! On the anchor being, I do suspect you are right that we'll see the anchor being concept come up again, but I hope they flesh it out abit more and explain how and why it works the way it does. ig it's kinda like Molecule Man in the comics? On the loom question, I think that whatever HWR did when he constructed the loom, it made it impossible for the other Kangs to locate him. Plus, they knew he had weaponized Alioth, so perhaps they didn't want to seek him out as they were afraid of the beast. Just my theories on that. On the timeline, yeah, that's a tricky one. I do suspect it will go after Loki Season 2, as that's how it relates to the 616 timeline. But I do think each universe has it's own "present day". In some cases, it's the same as another universe, but in some cases it's earlier (such as Spider-Man Noir) or later (such as Miguel and Penni). So I think they will place the movies in relation to the 616 timeline. Fantastic Four, for example, will also be after Loki S2, even though it seems it's set in the 60's. Man, the multiversal timeline is getting so tricky!
@@AbitofEverything4U You’re probably right about the Council being afraid of Alioth. They probably didn’t even care much about 616 back then since they had an entire multiverse to play with. About the timeline, yeah I guess that could work. If they’ll confirm that The Marvels post credit also takes place in 10005 it’s gonna be a little mess, but we’ll definitely have a fun time on trying to explain it to ourselves!
Interesting...I thought he said 1000, but if he did say 2000 I'd be down for that as well. Definitely a long time in either case. Thanks for pointing that out!
My question is, why are people still stuck in the void? If Loki took control allowing free will across the multiverse, wouldn’t it make sense to return all the people lost in the void as well? Seems contradictory
Great question! I suspect the issue is that most of the people in the void were pruned and their timelines were reset. So there isn't anywhere for them to go. And I also suspect that the TVA assumes most everyone in the void is dead due to Alioth. But you raise a good point regarding whether the TVA should try to help out anyone left alive in the void. It does seem the TVA (even B-15) want the Deadpool variants in the void, though...and honestly, who can blame her!
I noticed a scene with a whole bunch of pyramids in the void, wonder if that was from the tva hunting kangs across the multiverse. Also wondering if the geography of the void is sort of expanding from the wasteland from Loki, with alioth off he who remain's leash he may be less aggressive and able to be warded off by certain superpowered residents. Hope it gets revisited again, one of my preferred concepts from the multiverse.
I wondered about those pyramids as well. Hope we find out if they were related to Kang somehow. And I agree, I hope we get more lore around the void and Alioth. They are such cool concepts!
17:04 the way I understood the logic of anchor beings is that their death is the start of the process of the universe spaghettifying; this process naturally varies in length and Mr. Paradox use of the time ripper is the same effect but way quicker. An anchors death is just a personification of a natural phenomenon of universal decay
You mentioned around 18:00 that Deadpool’s universe looks like an actual universe that’s not branched off of Lokis tree, but maybe that’s not because it is a separate universe from the 616 tree, which if you look at my comment on your recent Deadpool and Wolverine video, but because it’s all a part of the same Multiverse just medium sized branches branching off of the sacred timeline and then more little branches branching off of these different universes. And the reason why the screens look like the old ways of how a timeline looks paradox and his team wants to go back to the old ways of the TVA, so they designed these screens and scopes to look like how things were when in reality the screens would look like Loki’s tree
Also, another words with paradox not liking how the TV runs things after Loki season two, that’s a metaphor for people that grew up in like the 50s or 60s not liking how society is so they can decorate their own house on how things used to be. So again that’s why the screens look like the old way they used to handle the sacred timeline.
Excellent feedback! Yeah, I think at this point that all theories are valid, since Marvel hasn't made it crystal clear yet. But for all the reason I mention in this video, as well as the "History of the Multiverse" video that I tagged in your earlier comment, I really think Marvel is indicating a multiple tree scenario. Hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will answer all our questions. Thanks again for the awesome feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you taking the time to share it!
Love that the “Loki s1 ep5” joke got you so hard! Stuff like that makes it feel like they really made this movie with us in mind. I am curious as to what makes you think X23 was from earth-10005? I could’ve missed dialogue, but to me if these were all people from that earth why aren’t ENTIRE earths sent to the void instead of just these individuals? To me all of these people are similar to Deadpool in that their world was getting pruned, they set them aside into the void for one reason or another. Loving the video so far! Yours was the first I watched when I got done with the movie :)
Great questions! So they don't say exactly where X-23 came from, so it was truly just a guess on my part. But since the movie seems to canonize that Deadpool's is in the same timeline as the Logan movie, it just seemed cool to think that X-23 was from that same timeline (maybe around 2035). As for her being pruned, but not her whole world, it seems that based upon what either Blade or Elektra said (I don't recall which said it), they were pruned due to not playing nice with the TVA. So I don't think their worlds had been pruned, but just them. However, all of that is just a guess. To your point, the movie doesn't give us any firm answers. So your theory on all of it is very valid as well. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!
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In terms of both Chronological order and a viewing order that makes sense chronologically (if that makes sense) I'd love to know if this makes sense?
97. Avengers: Endgame (2018-2023) Time Travel 1
98. Venom AND Post Credit Scene for Venom (October 2018-April 2019) Alternate Universe 5
99. The Daily Bugle S3 [E26-E29] (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6
100. Morbius AND Mid Credit Scene for Morbius (June 2019) Alternate Universe 6
101. Venom: Let There Be Carnage (October-November 2020) Alternate Universe 5
102. Caught in a Ham (Mid-November 2021 [starts 66 minutes before entrance in Spiderman Into the Spider-verse]) Alternate Universe 7
103. Spiderman Into the Spider-verse (Mid-November 2021) Alternate Universe 7
104. Spiderman Across the Spider-verse (March 2023) Alternate Universe 7
The Multiverse Saga
Phase Four
*105. Loki S1 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S1 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 1*
106. Post Credit Scene for Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania (July 24th [and days later] Outside of Time) Alternate Universe 8
*107. Loki S2 E1-4 AND Credit Scene(s) for Loki S2 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/Branched Universe travel 2.1*
108. What If…? Season 1 AND Post Credits for What If…? Season 1 (2023) Branched Universes 1-9
109. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S06 (Summer 2019) Branched Universe 10
110. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. S07 (Summer 2019-Summer 2020) Branched Universe 10
*111. Loki S02 E5 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.2*
112. X-Men First Class (X-Men Timeline Order - 1962) Alternate Universe 9
113. X-Men Origins Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 1979) Alternate Universe 9
114. X-Men Animated Series (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992-1996) Alternate Universe 9-2
115. X-Men ‘97 [Animated Series] (X-Men Timeline Order - 1997) Alternate Universe 9-2
116. X-Men (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9
117. X2 X-Men United (X-Men Timeline Order - 2003) Alternate Universe 9
118. X-Men The Last Stand (X-Men Timeline Order - 2006) Alternate Universe 9
119. The Wolverine (X-Men Timeline Order - 2013) Alternate Universe 9
120. The Gifted S1 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2017) Alternate Universe 9-3
121. The Gifted S2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018) Alternate Universe 9-3
122. X-Men Days of Future Past (X-Men Timeline Order - 2023 [1973]) Alternate Universe 9
123. X-Men Apocalypse (X-Men Timeline Order - 1983) Alternate Universe 9
124. X-Men Dark Phoenix (X-Men Timeline Order - 1992) Alternate Universe 9
*125. Deadpool (X-Men Timeline Order - 2016) Alternate Universe 9-1*
126. The New Mutants (X-Men Timeline Order - 2020) Alternate Universe 9
*127. Logan (X-Men Timeline Order - 2029) Alternate Universe 9*
*128. Deadpool 2 (X-Men Timeline Order - 2018 [2068]) Alternate Universe 9-1*
129. WandaVision AND Three Post Credit Scenes at the end of their respective episodes of WandaVision (7, 8, & 9) (November 2023)
130. Eternals AND Mid Credit Scene for Eternals AND Post Credit Scene for Eternals (Late 2023)
131. Post Credit Scene for Morbius (2024) Alternate Universe 6
*132. Loki S2 E6 (Outside of Time) Outside of time w/ Branched Universe travel 2.3*
*133. Deadpool and Wolverine (March 2024 and combined with X-Men Timeline Order and Outside of time to officially create a new X-Men timeline aka heal the X-Men timeline) Alternate Universe 9-4*
134. Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Mid Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings AND Post Credit Scene for Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (April 2024)
I feel it works outside the other FOX X-men movies because Loki S2 seems to have needed to be watched in order to understand The TVA aspects of the story. And yet tying it loosly yet watchably into the core branch of the MCU timeline.
Personally I think when Hunter B15 said the timeline was better now she commented along the lines of healing the universe. I think while the 10005 universe, in-universe, is now cleaned up to the point of being able to join the MCU timeline and we don't have to worry about FOX timeline issues. People know Wolverine, but now this is Wolverine and not the one we knew in the FOX movies. Same with X-23. I'm not sure I like the idea of a resurected Wolverine, though, as that would mess with the _Logan_ timeline, and they said they didn't want to, anymore than the opening scene, which didn't change his death; resurecting him would, though.
I always assumed Negasonic Teenage Warhead and Yukio unintentionally reworked Cable's device when they fixed it to time travel other demensions. Perhaps it was intentional and that is why they were so worried about the fact that they handed it over to Wade. And considering The TVA didn't prune him for going to see Happy, that means it was meant to happen because it all leads to Wade, in-universe, playing an important part we still don't know about. It all adds another layer to how untrustworthy Parodox is with his lies and what he ends up doing. I think he wanted to get rid of Wade, and Anchor Beings (while being a metaphor for movie executives) was a way to get Wade to let his guard down long enough to be pruned while still following enough orders to not get caught doing all his rougue acts. The concept doesn't actually exist, in my opinion, but what Deadpool and Wolverine do, makes the X-Men universe healthier (or whatever the phrase was Hunter B15 used).
After listening to Feige on his definition of Anchor Beings, I think an assumption could be made for a few things: 1. By the end of The MCU (whenever that may be) we still won't see the universe dead because it will have taken longer than great great great granchildren not born yet, to die. 2. Or each Saga and/or Phase could each have their own anchor being (example Tony Stark). 3. Or considering the next Saga is going to be a starting point to all Marvel properties being usable in the MCU (and therefore a soft reboot), we still haven't seen an Anchor Being in 616. 4. I do think Wolverine dealing with his issues and becoming the hero shows you can replace an Anchor being, if they are real. At the end of the day its all just too metaphorical to matter much to any grander scheme past ending FOX X-Men to incorparate things officially into the MCU, whether they end up being real or not.
I can't remember if B15 knows what became of Loki in the tree or not, but if so it explains even more so, why she didn't like what he did; and if not she seems to be fixing the mistake of Paradox being in charge of anything.
I don't think Gambit, Elektra, or Blade are from 10005. I think they got pruned before The TVA changed how they do things. With the exception of Laura, as that wasn't too long ago, chronologically speaking.
Loki S2 said all Kangs had been rounded up. Unless shown otherwise, I'm assuming that means all Kangs are caught. Including everyone from the Quanumania end credit scene.
There are many sacred timelines like many loki trees a d there branches
The best thing about this film is Wesley Snipes as blade he still looks good and kicked ass
Of course Henry Freaking Cavill as Wolverine he was sexy handsome acted that scene out to pieces and it was epic
Chris evans as Johnny storm from the fantastic four original film
Wolverine still looks good
But I’ve always said if the only good thing about a film is the action scenes then no matter how good those scenes are it’s not a good film
And that’s how I feel about this film too many unnecessary fight scenes between Wolverine and Deadpool especially the Honda car scene it didn’t need to happen
But if you take away all the cameos and the fight scenes what are you left with nothing
Just a film that really isn’t about anything and not even the bigger mcu
It’ll make money but It won’t make a billion dollars
@@Buffy8Fan Wow...like, just wow. Excellent commentary. Loved all of it. As for your viewing order, it seems to work to me. Honestly, any order is okay, as I think the order is very dependent on the person. But your order doesn't have any issues that I can see.
@@Sean-bf3lh Well said!
Paradox in the movie says something along the lines of "we used to prune such timelines but apparently we don't do that anymore." So it has to take place after Loki season 2
I caught that too I’m glad they acknowledged that
Plus B15 being in a higher position
I think it's pretty obvious most if not all TVA workers don't know Loki is keeping the timelines together
I thought it was obvious it was after season 2
@@abzu235and I’m sure its designed that way.
Taking about Cable's device "I'll let that slide" ... I see what you did there, well played.
I also agree with you 100%, the Loki season 1 episode 5 line was my favorite joke in the movie as well.
Yeah, that line was so funny to me...my son loved it, too!
my understanding of anchor beings is basically once the 'audience' loose interest, once the main attraction to a movie dies, and or once things are slowly forgotten about.. i.e Electra's solo movie. blade 1, 2 ,3. the undeveloped Gambit movie... the universe dies with that character or concept. it ceases to exist within the zeitgeist and there for becomes extinct. also why it takes 'a thousand years or so' as a reference to die hard fans never letting go of the thing they so loved. and having a hard time accepting any other portrayal of a character.
edit: example Tony Stark death.. everything in mcu since has been lack lustre and it has been rumoured the mcu is slowly fading, dying out... once Ironman as 616's Anchor being has died that universe slowly falls apart until it dies and they have to 'soft-reboot' to create a new attraction (most likely fantastic 4) with an incursion between two worlds colliding eventually leading to Doom and battle World
I agree 100%. I think it was more of a clever meta joke on the movie industry and connected universes dying when they lose their main star, rather than something that is to be taken as actual metaphysics logic in the MCU. I will honestly be surprised if the term ever surfaces again.
Everything lackluster? So you haven't watched Loki series, Spiderman No Way Home, Moon Knight, and more.
@@clipsdelosmajes I agree...those are great! I'd throw in WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Wakanda Forever, Guardians 3, X-Men 97, and DP&W
No way home was actually corny asf. Poor dialogue and forced interactions regardless of my admiration for Spiderman.
Moon knight is as forgettable as everything else the saving grace was oscar Issac being an elite actor.
Loki was pointless given it was setting up Kang to be the new big bag and a multiversal threat just to be absolutely undermined by ant man with last minute reshoots that killed prime kang (not to mention J.M controversy)
So yes. Everything has been lack-luster.
The one good thing to be released and to have actual relevance was guardians 3.
And now Deadpool and wolverine (which is also the weakest out of the now 3 DP films. Even though I love 3 to bits!)
MCU has been shit. Woke. Political and forgot how to be compliant story tellers while trying to juggle woke Hollywood whilst pandering to propaganda agenderists, politics they have no business dictating and deep throating us with gay/woke/female empowerment bs and totally incompetent staff hires. Whilst burning bridges with the people who built the MCU with passion and love.
We were literally one bad flop away from becoming the starwars universe and luckily chapec was smart enough to pull the rug, fire the woke and cut the production line of totally bs TV and movies.
Make the MCU great again!!
@@OwenMarshall-c5q Yeah, uh, we are not continuing this discussion. Since it's obvious what your actual problems are. And no, the list I mentioned doesn't have anything "woke". Also no, Loki wasn't to setup Kang, that was the work of other movies, it was to setup all the timelines and how the work and how Loki would bring order to the disorder that had been created. But either way, as I said, there's no point since i just read the most conservative comment I have ever seen.
Ok after seeing the film twice and comparing the notes from Loki, Quantumania, What If, Multiverse of Madness, Thor the Dark World, GotG, Eternals and even Dark Phoenix. I think I have a good understanding of what the Multiverse is and where Deadpool's 10005 comes in.
Before the 616, time, and space, there was a black void with the Dark Elves. Then the 4 cosmic entities created the Infinity Stone causing the Big Bang, creating the follow of time. The Celestials then filled the virgin Universe/Multiverses with everything.
However, things are different in 10005. "Because it's the spark that gave life to the universe and the flame that consumed my world." ―Vuk. The Phoenix Force created the Fox universe, does that mean no Infinity Stones, Eternity and the other Cosmic Entities? Idk.
Loki S1 goes on to show us giant black holes, each containing a timeline ring (some call it a bush). We learn that other Kang variants come from these BH. He Who Remains weaponized Alioth, made the TVA, the Loom, and the Sacred Timeline to stop the Multiversal War. So, yes, the BH are the Multiverse. 616 is just 1 universe. Or Multiverse.
Michael Wauldren said in an interview on the official Marvel Website about Loki S1 that multiple Multiverses exist. Also the Sacred Timeline is it's own Multiverse. We see what this means in Loki S2, as the Loom keeping 616 together breaks causing a Multiverse to formed from infinite timeline branches growing. This makes sense as a multiverse is a collection of multiple universes and timelines in Loki are universes in of themselves. So when What If calls the Tree Loki forms a Multiverse, it isn't wrong, it's just not the whole Multiverse. Wauldren goes on to call the collection of every BH the "Greater Multiverse".
We hear in behind the scenes that America is special for being able to travel the Multiverse. Yet in What If Wanda and other characters cross timelines fine. That's because travel between timelines and travel between BHs is different. What If timeline hopping seems to not cause incursions. However, MoM says travel between BH universe do cause Incursions. This also lines up with HWR description of the Multiversal War.
Loki establishes that branched timelines are labeled as universe # . # Ex: 616.203. However, 838 and 10005 aren't labeled like that. So how does the TVA monitor 10005. At the end of S2, the TVA started monitoring for other Kangs and S1 established Kangs come from other BH. This was also backed up in Quantumania which is referenced in S2. Therefore after S2, the TVA started monitoring possibly every BH for Kangs. (Ok but real talk how do they deal with Kangs, do they prune them, I feel like that wouldn't stop Kang)
So is Deadpool and 10005 apart of the 616 tree. No, it's seperate. 616 is only itself and it's branches.
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Love it! I agree with all of that. If you haven't seen my "history of the multiverse" video, you might check it out: ua-cam.com/video/kS-v8GA4Wzc/v-deo.html. I said alot of the same things. We are totally on the same wavelength. So cool!
@@AbitofEverything4U It's a great video, I agreed with the points you made after reviewing the content myself.
Thanks!!!
After Paradox says he can’t replace Logan with “this”, he then says something like “I wouldn’t have taken any other Wolverine you brought, but you had to go and one up yourself and bring me the worst one.” So no, I don’t think an anchor could be replaced, at least not until the end of the movie after the time ripper was destroyed. Not really sure how that changed it though to be honest.
Good points...I wonder if the time ripper was reversed by Logan and Wade so that they partially re-wrote the timeline...like a mini version of the God of Stories?
Deadpool dreaming of thor confirms in at least one reality he is with thor. Given what we have learned from multiverse of madness.
Wow, I never thought about it like that 😂
I think it's in the future. Interesting that Paradox confirmed Wade is important for the sacred time-line.
Great point!!!
One thing to keep in mind with the whole "why didn't X cause an incursion?" line of questioning, is that Reed was saying it was a *risk* of an incursion, not that it would definitely cause one. For example, think of a CD spinning in a portable player. A bit of shaking and everything is just fine, the built-in "anti-skip" handles it--this is someone taking a short visit into another universe. The longer the shaking goes on and the more intense it gets (or in this case the longer a foreign person stays in another universe and the more they impact events), the more likely a "skip" happens, which is an incursion. According to Clea, these can be fixed, but too severe an instance, and the whole thing breaks, damaging the "disk," or universe in this case.
But wolverines in fox universe forever now as an anchor being right? So eventually given what we know, there should be an incursion happening in that timeline
Deadpool reversed time. So his universe isnt an alternate timeline , its the original - even tho he originally died , he reversed it and his friends death. Then he reverse time back to origins , killing himself , but he also reversed back to 2009 before green latern, and since cable can return to his time , its implied the forward function sends you to the reverse time - which would be the original one u came to , not the new future.
Great point! I agree, it's a matter of how much time you spend in the other universe that causes the issue. And I guess it was fine if Wade was sent to 616 as Paradox suggested, since Paradox was then going to kill off his universe meaning there would be no chance of an incursion happening between 616 and 10005. Anyway, excellent explanation!
@@lightskinjayt2627 So, my guess is that Wolverine in the movie was from a branch of 10005, so he therefore won't cause an incursion. I think it's only when you go to an alternate universe that it's an issue.
@@KrazyStylez09 Man, that just makes my head hurt. Time travel is so confusing!
It was a really fun ride me and my brother kept gasping over the Johnny, Blade, Elektra, and Gambit cameos, loved that title sequence fight, and laughed out loud over that PostCredit with Johnny
Yeah, so much to love about this movie!
This is the first R-Rated movie I ever saw the movie theatre and it was insane How easy of a transition they did between the different Ratings
Yeah, it was very cool to see it being R-Rated, but also fitting into the MCU style so well!
What i love about the deadpool franchise is that they made it their mission to fix the past mistakes of the fox universe and making the old characters comic accurate that were done wrong in the xmen movies first fixing deadpool and collosses then juggernaut and ending with fixing wolverine was the cherry on top
Well said...the Deadpool movies really did alot to improve upon the X-Verse characters and make me appreciate them even more!
Wolverine didn't need fixing
@@captainjakemerica4579 his suit did
@@caldervanvoorhis7786 okay well even then it really didn't matter Hugh Jackman did a great job despite not wearing the costume for 20 plus years
@@captainjakemerica4579 im not saying the acting was bad but in terms of comic accuracy u have to admit it was the one thing they didnt get right
It sounds like u do these all in 1 take, thats fire
Yeah, I try my best to do it in one take. Every now and then I have to edit out a stumble, but I've found that doing it without a pre-written script and speaking instead as a fellow MCU fan discussing things with friends works alot better. Really appreciate you watching and sharing your positive feedback. Thanks so much!
Your videos are amazing I feel like you're very underrated.
Thanks so much...that's very nice of you to say!
I really think the Punisher they talk about was originally going to be alive and on the team with these other 2000s marvel characters and that he was going to be the Ray Stevenson version of the character until his death, I think it’s no coincidence that the car that the writers chose has enough room for at least 1 other person in it
I have to agree. That's probably also the reason for The Russian from War Zone, complete with the red and white striped shirt. That one took me a minute to figure out. Crazy that Stevenson didn't come to mind until seeing your comment.
Yeah, it does indeed feel like there was gonna be a punisher appearance. Bummer. RIP Ray!
@@ghiggs8389 I think that the rocket launcher they used was from War Zone, but the Russian was a Thomas Jane villain from the 2004 film, iirc.
@@AbitofEverything4U those movies blend together for me, I've seen them each once a long time ago.
@@ghiggs8389 Totally agree...they do indeed blend together!
1) A correction, E-10005 X-23 would be six during DP&W, because she was born in 2018, and was 11 in Logan.
2) I don't think E-10005 is a "tree", I don't think most universes are. Yes, it can still be called that because it's a universe which is a collection of 'branching' timelines (branch, tree, plant metaphors). But I think 616/199999 is uniquely tree-shaped or rather Yggdrasil-shaped BECAUSE it's being held together by Loki, but not all universes have a Loki certainly not all holding their universes together. The only reason 616 Loki is there doing what he's doing is because of HWR's failsafes on the Loom that basically ensure the whole thing dies/rips to shreds if he isn't the last one standing.
3) I think the guest characters are from different universes than E-10005. As for the designations, while they aren't always reliable, they're certainly not fan creations, they come from the Official Marvel Handbooks. Not accounting for the possibility that they could themselves be variants just played by the same actors (such as JJJ in Tobey's Spider-Man and the MCU), Blade should be from E-26320 and Elektra should be from E-701306. As for Johnny, I'm not quite sure he actually IS the same Johnny from the 2005 films. The suit/4 logo doesn't match up, and sure you could chalk that up to time passing/new suits, but then there's also the fact he has a Boston accent, which Johnny in the old films never did. I also don't think the old Tim Story F4 should be written off just yet for Secret Wars.
4) My biggest one and most interesting one: aside from Wolvy, we don't see any more X-Men in this movie than we do in the first two Deadpool films (and I'm excluding DP2's brief gag cameo). It's just Colossus, Negasonic and Yukio. Every other mutant we see in the void (Pyro, Toad, Sabretooth, Azazel, etc) is either a Brotherhood member or not affiliated with any group. There were all these talks and interviews and rumors and yet -- we did not even get a "third act flashback" to James Marsden, Famke Janssen, Halle Berry, Patrick Stewart, Anna Paquin, Ian McKellen... none of them. Combine that with the film ending with DP remaining in 10005 and Kelsey Grammar's appearance in The Marvels and I begin to think that this might be more of the comedic standalone appetiser to a larger meal.
Awesome feedback!
1. Yeah, I can't believe I said she was 1. I was doing quick math and chose the 2018 date for DP 2 rather than the 2024 date for DP&W. D'oh!
2. Agree 100%. I've started called the X-men universe more like a briar patch than a tree, as that's what it seems to be.
3. I do like the idea of Elektra and Blade being from different universes than 10005. That makes alot of sense. As for saying the fan made universes aren't always reliable, I was more referring to the fact that many fan sites listed Logan as being a different earth designation than Deadpool's, but this movie seemed to confirm Logan was in the same timeline as Deadpool. Honestly, I've never quite understood why timelines are given different earth designations by fans, such as giving the OG X-Men timeline a different designation than the revised timeline of DoFP.
4. You could be right that this movie was a fun one-off, but I am certain we'll see Hugh's Wolverine and Ryan's Deadpool again, so my guess is that to the reduce confusion of creating several X-Men universes/timelines that instead Feige will say The Marvels and DP&W are the same universe. Just a theory, but I do like the idea.
Thanks for all the awesome feedback. Really appreciate it!!!
@@AbitofEverything4U I definitely agree with the third point. The revised/post-DOFP X-Men timeline always felt like it should be a E-10005B or E-10005.211 rather than an entirely new universe designation, like some people pushed for, likewise with Logan although to be fair until DP&W we didn’t know entirely for sure if Logan was in the revised 10005 timeline, especially with the director and others saying it was in it’s own timeline/universe removed from the others.
While I’m not the biggest fan of all t creative decisions this film made, I’m glad they stuck with Logan being in the main X-Men timeline, because while it’s another bleak ending for the X-Men (and almost certainly one that’ll be undone come Avengers: Secret Wars) that overwrites the happy ending of DOFP - it’s simultaneously the perfect sendoff for Wolverine as a character, such beautiful acting and portrayals by Jackman and Stewart that should not just be locked off to it’s own unconnected inconsequential timeline/universe as it’s own thing IMO.
To refer back to 1, X-23 looks like she’s a late teen to me in DP&W, so her being 6 in the movie confuses me
@@alglimited8665 I'm not talking about the X-23 from DP&W, I'm talking about the X-23 from Logan.
@@ThePatchedVest Yeah, I think Secret Wars will ultimately have a bittersweet ending, as it seems every other universe is going to die with only a single universe left. Sigh.
Adored it! One of the best Marvel Films I’ve seen in a while! I still wonder the extend of Loki’s control. Is he overseeing the ENTIRE Multiverse, or just the MCU timelines aka 616, X97, What If, etc. Anyway, excellent video as always!
I agree...the big question is what Loki is doing. My theory is that just keeping the 616 tree is order is a huge job. Also, if he was controlling the other universes, it seems he could find a way to prevent the upcoming incursions. But I agree, I think Marvel needs to definitively answer the question and DP&W wasn't really the movie to do that.
However, I loved the movie for all that it gave us. Soooooo good. Can't wait to see it again!
After last night's announcement of RDJ playing a Victor von Doom variant, I think the most important thing to come out of this movie is actually Chris Evans' cameo and establishing that different individuals (in this case, Johnny Storm and Steve Rogers, and for Doomsday, Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom) can have Variants that are identical to each other. This is also a great way of explaining actors who've played multiple roles in the MCU, like Mahershala Ali playing Cottonmouth and Blade. Their MCU Variants just happen to look identical AND exist in the same universe. The Multiverse is very weird, since there's even one universe where TWO variants of the same person co-existed. (Jessica Jones, to be specific. One with her standard powers and an adult going by Knightress, and a teenager with Rogue's absorption powers going by Jewel.)
Great points! Yeah, the situation with RDJ is definitely showing the power of the multiverse. Gonna be very interesting to see his take on Dr. Doom!
The thumbnail caught me off guard 😭
Yeah its very……subjective
Oh, my apologies...was it a bad thumbnail? I just loved that visual from the movie.
@@AbitofEverything4U No ! The thumbnail amazing just it just came up in my feed while scrolling .
@@ayushhh5213 Niiiice! Glad that UA-cam sent it your way!
Headpool has to appear in the marvel zombies show to explain his backstory
I love that idea...really hope that happens!
Finally!!Been waiting for this video from you since 3 days🙂
Thanks for your patience. I really apologize for it taking so long. Been a crazy, crazy few days...but in a good way. Hope you liked the breakdown. Thanks so much for watching!!
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Ummm, in DP2 Cable gave up his last charge to return to his wife and daughter in the future to save DP from being shot. So while it may not be able to go from universe to universe, it clearly was able to go back and forth in time.
Good point...not sure why Negasonic focused on reversing time and not going forward in time in her quote, but you are correct that it can go both directions.
For this Wolverines backstory he didn't just go to a bar and missed the massacre of the X-Men. Him going to the bar was when it happened, but the true backstory is that he distanced himself from the X-Men instead of embracing them as friends and family. Wolverine being the powerhouse he is could maybe have saved them if he had chosen not to be a drunk and a loner. That is why he is wearing his yellow suit because it reminds him of them (he could also maybe wear the suit as a punishment for his failures). This shows that he made a mistake to not embrace them and be better and that's why he feel such guilt (and also not for being able to control his rage that killed a lot of innocent people).
I love that...I think you are 100% correct on that. Very good analysis!
A minor detail about the movie that I really liked is how they finally revealed the pronunciation of Earth-10005 is "one-triple zero-five." That's something I've wondered about for years.
Good point! It was kinda like hearing 19-99-9-9 being said in ATSV!
I absolutely loved that Channing Tatum finally got his chance to play Gambit after all these years, and he even got to wear a comic accurate suit. Also, I don't think he's from Earth-10005.
Yeah, Channing was awesome in the movie. Loved his cameo so much! And I agree, I think only X-23 was from 10005.
Just saw the movie yesterday and I had a ton of fun. So many cameos. It was absolutely mind-blowing. You should’ve also seen me jamming to the needle drops lol.
Yeah, it was a fantastic movie. So much fun!
Always great work man
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
Your theory on the multiverse/neighboring trees with their own branches makes the most sense. Loved Deadpool & Wolverine and all the Loki & TVA connectivity!
Yeah… I thought the connectivity between the Loki show and Deadpool & Wolverine was really handled well. Such a great movie!
Henry Cavill is such a good choice for wolverine
*Cavill
Yeah, I'd be totally down with him being the new Wolverine!
@@ellisalinea4777 that age of apocalypse Wolverine was p swwwwweeeeeeeeeetttttttt to me
Funny even Wade acknowledging that, "To be honest this makes a lot of sense" lol
Not my top choice but he's also in contention to be James Bond so we'll see
You've referenced the she-hulk show several times during this video essay, but didn't consider that it's magician with a sling ring might have wandered into the void.
ikr? I totally should have thought of our best buddy Donny Blaze. I love that idea so much!
I’ve been WAITING for this one
Yeah, sorry it took so long. Man, the last few days have been killers. But I love all the great news from Marvel!
@@AbitofEverything4U yet you still put out great content. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
That monitor was definitely Kevin-looking
ikr? Very interesting!
Really fun review - thank you.
Surprised you didn't mention Wolverine pulling over his comic accurate mask for the final battle scenes or the credit scene love letter of behind the scenes of the old Fox movies - I thought that was a nice, nostalgic touch.
I think Channing Tatum has a line about his cancelled Gambit movie; something like: "Some stories never told" lol
The jokes and digs were crazy in this movie.
Great points! I should have mentioned the mask for Wolverine as that was so cool to finally see it on him. And yeah, those credit scenes were so touching. It brought back so many memories watching them. What a great way to honor all the Fox movies over the last 24 years!
I just love your videos man. They's not just for the hype like a lot of popular MCU content yt channels.
You actually put in effort and have a unique perspective.
Thanks...I really appreciate the positive feedback!
When it comes to the sling ring, I think the way it’s supposed to work is that the void at the end of time isn’t for any particular universe, but instead that’s where all of time converges to a single point where every timeline leads into the void, and that’s why no matter what timeline you’re in if something gets pruned it all appears in the same void, so that being said the infinity stones from any universe can work in the void since technically it’s still in the same time stream.
That's a very cool theory. Love it!
Who is here After the DOCTOR DOOM reveal???
That casting is honestly so funny in the context of this movie. We really did get a peek behind the curtain here
Wasn't that crazy? What a reveal. Finally got my reaction vid up about it, but I'm still reeling!
36:22 I wondered this too. I'd like to think that if Deadpool occurred in the main X-men universe, that the Laura in the apartment was the one that was from Logan and not her variant.
she’s from Logan and was pruned to the Void several years after Logan (2030’s) and came back to the universe in 2024 at the end of the movie. this is all based on the fact that Logan takes place in the timeline cause of him being the anchor being or whatever
Yeah, it's weird since they seem to indicate that the Deadpool movies and the Logan movie are in the same timeline. So, if X-23 is from the future after the Logan movie (say 2035) of the same timeline, then two of her from the same timeline would be there in 2024. Very odd!
What's interesting to me about Kang is that James Gunn confirmed that Kang originally belonged to Fox prior to the buyout. So, technically they could just write out the Council of Kangs by saying that it was the 616 Variants coming together, but they were killed off or whatever by the 10005 Variant of Kang. Which could even be used as an excuse to have the X-Men fight the Avengers because the Avengers know Kang is evil, while the X-Men could be manipulated by their Kang into believing that it's really the Avengers that are evil because of what Doctor Strange did with the Darkhold in Multiverse of Madness.
Very cool theories...I didn't know that about Kang and Fox studios!
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah it's always been interesting to me that Fox had all these characters but they never really used them. Sadly, my Kang theory isn't going to come true with the reveal of RDJ coming back to play Doctor Doom. But I still think my idea's a fun little what if.
Agreed...very cool What If story!
Its just insane that we had to wait this long for a real cowl
irk? Was so great to finally get to see it!
Since they’re never gonna bring KEVIN back it might have gotten pruned which is why it’s in the void and being used for parts by Cassandra’s gang
lol! I love the idea of K.E.V.I.N. being pruned!
great video. I really hope what if season 3 touches on anchor beings because this is getting very confusing
I agree...I'm really looking forward to What If season 3. It has a strong chance of being very informative about the multiversal rules!
Gambit’s accent was an accurate Cajun accent
Very true! But I am glad that in the X-Men animated series he’s a little bit easier to understand.
For the topic or 2 Wolverines and 2 Lauras, it makes sense for there being 2 of each so that the events of Logan can still play out the way it needs to. Either that or the 2018 date of Deadpool 2 needs to be retconned to be further in the future.
Yeah, it's just so confusing, but I agree, one of the two things you said needs to happen. But I honestly don't like either one. If there are 2, then it's possible things might end up differently due to there being a second Wolverine in the timeline. Heck maybe someone tries to prevent the original one from dying. But if Deadpool set is after 2029, then the world is in a very strange place due to what happens in Logan and Colossus would be acting differently, it seems. Just hurts my head!
This movie was awesome! One of my favorite we're the credits, showing the behind scenes of the Fox Marvel movies. As a kid from the 2000s, those movies we're my first indroduction to the X-Men characters and seeing this tribute made me really just emotional.
Yeah, those scenes during the credits were very emotional. It was such a classy way for them to honor the X-Men movie legacy!
Saw the movie with my brother today, and i absolutely loved it. Wade and Logans dynamic, the performances, especially Jackman and Reynolds, the humor, the meta jokes, the action, the fact that it actually earns its R rating, everything. I love this movie, and yes, i also loved the cameos. Especially Evans as Johnny Storm and Snipes as Blade, i was not expecting either of them, especially Blade since that wasn't even a Fox film, but i still loved it anyways, i even went "No Freaking Way" in the theater when he came on screen, only i didnt say freaking. Lol.
What i love about the cameos too apart from the meta humor and the fact they actually play into the story, is that they kindof play into the themes as well. Not only do they represent a different era of marvel. Blade represents the 90s, Johnny and Elektra represent the 2000s, Laura represents the 2010s, Cavill represents a potential future, and Gambit represents what never was.
But also, they play into the themes of giving franchises a conclusion (which is why, yes, i do agree, Mr. Paradox could be a stand-in for Studio executives, and the anchor thing could have a meta subtext to it) but also being a love letter to the late 90s/2000s Era of Marvel, mainly the Fox films. Which with that, is another reason why they work so freaking well. Also, love the tribute to fox that played during the credits, and to music used in Seinfeld no less, which was icing on the cake. Loved it, loved it, loved it. Also, also, weird seeing how young Hugh was in that archive footage.
But yeah, i do agree, i wish they explained the Anchor thing better, as that was one of my only problems with the movie, too. However, i believe since this Wolverine and Deadpool became Earth-10005 Anchor beings, i believe this means Logan of Earth-10005 that we knew from X-Men 2000 to Logan may have been merged into this Logan in the film, kindof like what DC was going to do with Keatons Batman in the original ending of the Flash, before the DCEU fell apart. Idk about Laura though, also, kindof wish Gambit, Blade, and Elektra were also at the table in that ending scene but oh well.
Also, also, sadly no Disney Princess roast scene, but i knew it wouldn't happen (and it probably would not make any sense anyways) though maybe that can be its own thing, like a special presentation or something.
But yeah, anyways, solid and fun film, plan on seeing it again, very well paced too, definitely deserves a 9.5/10.
Fantastic commentary on the film. I agree with everything you said (including the fact that we needed that Disney Princess roast scene). Such a good movie!
Also I don’t think Loki is in charge of the TVa . I think he’s maintaining the growth of 616 tree but he doesn’t control the day to day operations of the TvA bureaucracy. I think people are assuming he’s in control and missed the whole subtext of the Loki series. This version of Loki has found his real glorious purpose which is >not one of a RULER . He’s a protector not a ruler . Someone else . Maybe B15 is running the new TVA .
Perfectly stated! I agree 100%!
I feel like anchor beings could be something brought up again in secret wars/doomsday. If a war world is created in these movies it could be made out of universes with missing anchor beings, as they could be more easily manipulated and forced together. And it could be the reason that 616 gets dragged in, if Tony was it's anchor being it's now opened up to what could be Doom's plan.
OR it's anchor beings forced to fight each other to save their own worlds...
@@ghiggs8389 true, could be a multiverse wide cage match basically.
Excellent theories...yeah, I could definitely see this factoring into Secret Wars!
Love your breakdowns!
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
I honestly think the Thor thing was an intentionally doctored TVA footage by Paradox to manipulate Wade into thinking they'll make him into a hero like Iron Man who scrifices himself.
Rehashing Deadpool 1 Ajax plot point kind of.
Cool theory...yeah, it's hard to trust anything Paradox says!
YESSS I was waiting for this. Love your videos man
Thanks so much...I really appreciate the positive feedback. This one was a bear, but it was also alot of fun!
I found 3 big mistakes in the movie. Assuming that the timeline continuity of Deadpool movies series is the same of Logan (2017):
1st mistake: Deadpool is looking for a Wolverine to serve as a replacement as an anchor being, and he can perfectly go for the Wolverine of his present (2024, because 6 years have passed since the events of Deadpool 2 which takes place during 2018), so the search of the anchor being as we saw it, was not necessary. The only thing Deadpool has to do is ensure that Charles Xavier does not have that mental attack that caused all the mutants to die as was known in Logan (2017).
2nd mistake: when Cassandra enters Wolverine's mind, scenes from Logan (2017) are seen, this means that the worst version of Wolverine lived through a good part of the events of the movie Logan, which means that he should have recognized X-23 when he met her in the Void.
3rd mistake: At the end of the movie, Wolverine and X-23 are seen with Deadpool's friends. The problem is that there are then 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in the Fox Universe.
I like the idea that there are two wolverines and the tva are like "this SHOULD break the universe but it seems stable so let's not mess with it" like when your code is throwing errors but the program is running anyway
then they kiss
Yep...I struggled with the same three issues. No doubt about it, you just have to shut your brain off when you watch a Deadpool movie. It's great entertainment, but you can't think about it too hard, ig. lol!
@@Jilluminum omg! As a computer programmer myself, that comment made me lol! Well done!
In my opinion, correct me if I'm wrong
1: By the rules of Loki, even changing the past won't change the future, instead create a branch timeline of that timeline, so the events of Logan would've happened otherwise with respect to prior Deadpool. Paradox never said by replacing the anchor, it solves the issue. But by saying that thought, Deadpool thinks that's the viable solution, that's why he tries to find a replacement DESPITE not being the solution of his timeline fixing.
2. Since there are not much video sources, for this moment, what I can say is it doesn't mean he has to meet her despite he lived through some events of Logan.
3. They are now living in an alternate reality where there are 2 versions of Wolverine and X-23 in that Fox timeline.
FYI. I agree that changing some minor things in the past might change the future as if it was already there, for example, Peggy and Steve. If the continuity make sense, then it closes a time loop as if they were already there. However, since we now know that Logan has to die, changing that outcome would make a branch reality. All he can do without branching is anything that would still lead to the events of Logan.
Tbh,this movie gave me the vibes of the animated ultimate Spider-Man,Hulk Vs, X men Evolution Series,I loved it soo much especially Deadpool's love language comedy - purrfect!!! Speaking of timelines - According 2 me, Deadpool is really a God's perfect idiot because he travelled to the past , present and 2018 during temporal loom overloading & returned to his timeline just when Loki gave free will & Nurtured the timelines,so under his blessings Deadpool's tiny little universe E-41633 created space and became one with E-10005 and it was possible because of Deadpool killing Dead-pool otherwise his head survived and would exist..& God of Stories was so impressed with The tale of Logan and Laura Howlett - 2029,E-17315 it also became a part of E- 10005 and that's how Logan became a Nexus / Anchor Being but the TVA interrupted and pruned not the timeline but only X- 23 as she was about to become new anchor being as a legacy to his papa,and paradox didn't wanted it but in this new E-10005, 2029 there could be more clone twins of X-23 Prime ,as prime one when to the void and joined the resistance, Speaking of the 2 New Anchor beings - Wolverine and Deadpool,first did Wolverine became Anchor beings of his universe or E-10005? If Wolverine, Deadpool, X-23 ( past, present,future) anchor beings of E-10005 ,let's just say then it would create an incursion because in E- 10005 there would be 2 Wolverines, one with the X- Men and one with Deadpool N the longer the footprint Wolverine leaves behind even though he is an anchor being that doesn't change anything for an upcoming incursion... I wouldn't say for X-23 because she became a part of E-10005 right after loki S2, Deadpool's return to his timeline 2018, X-23 living in the same universe and suddenly getting shifted to E-10005.
2. Thanks, to Logan from logan movie because he became an anchor being with his sacrifice act and he paved a way for his variants to break this absolute point and they could live long enough surpassing 2029 year. That's the reason the drunken wolverine says he's 200 years old meaning he is from 2032 timeline and his variants are Ultimate wolverine who fights Hulk, Clint Eastwood old man logan, Weapon Omega and this would be supposed journey of Drunken wolverine and it's plausible that this Drunken wolverine's reality's future version is cable's timeline - 2054..
As always this movie gave me the crisp of a portion from the Battleworld story arc - 2015🎉🎉🎉.
Wow...those were some incredibly cool ideas. I love it. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts on the movie. Truly appreciate it and loved reading it all!
Few pointers. If Deadpool and Wolverine took place in 2024 and Logan, we know take place in 2029 where Logan dies, it’s why Universe 10005 is going out of existence. They might be using the same idea from the comic as when an incursion occurs, at the point of incursion, the whole universe gets wiped out but it’s a cascading effect going both ways, it’s NOT instant, so all of the future still remains, as we saw Captain America in the comic was able to travel so far into the future via the Time Stone. It also implies all of the past still remain as well because we saw Doctor Doom with the help of Molecule Man was able to travel back 25 years into the past.
So here, Logan dies in 2029, let’s say that’s the Incursion Point, and Deadpool and Wolverine takes place in 2024, Paradox said it’s may take up to 1000 years until the timeline, I guess the whole universe gets wiped out. So technically they can still travel upward to of 1000 years into that future of timeline and everything will still look okay. Same way they can travel all throughout the branching timelines associated with universe 10005, nothing will have look out of place.
The Anchor Being concept, I think you are right and they intentionally made it very meta, I think it’s also same way how Molecule Man supposedly works during the whole Secret Wars build up. If a Molecule Man dies in one universe, that universe gets wiped out. And there’s a Molecule Man in every universe. So instead of a Molecule Man from comic, we have Anchor Beings.
So in the Scared Timeline, if they implies Tony being an Anchor Being, with his death in Endgame, nothing in the MCU seem off right. Probably because it’s won’t be a long time until the timeline gets wiped away. Unless we see some sort of Accelerant that gets introduce into the MCU that will speed up that process.
- So Cassandra Nova, got to be one of my favorite villain in the MCU. The way she speaks, her demeanor, her power. The whole fingers shoving into the brain. She was really well done.
So the shirtless Wolverine, I mean it’s an MCU movie so we gotta have that for sure. And Shaw Levy did confirm it’s the real Huge JACKman. I mean if you seen all the workout videos Hugh did while filming this movie, it’s legit.
As for future set ups. I think it’s no question Ryan Deadpool and Hugh Wolverine will have huge parts in future Avenger movies. Until the end of Multiverse Saga, we might not get a new definitive Wolverine, imo, Huge Wolverine never been better in the role than he is now. Super suits and all. I’m more interested in their potential solo outings. Deadpool potential team up with Thor? And Wolverine, we got to see that fight with Hulk for sure. and that’s definitely Mark Ruffalo’s Hulk from 2012 Avengers, Deadpool even did that Loki’s speech calling Hulk a dulling creature before getting smashed.
I can see B-15 having bigger supporting role in either Deadpool and/or Wolverine future solo/team ups movie, seeking out Deadpool and/or Wolverine help to fight beings that threshing the multiverse, timelines, etc. Throughly enjoyed the movies, can’t wait to see what’s next for these two.
Fantastic commentary. I agree with everything you said. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
I love the whole anchor being idea because of how meta it is. The TVA seems like this omnipotent organization in-universe but they still have “theories” per se about phenomena like universes dying. They don’t actually know that there’s a plane of reality above them (real world or maybe the She Hulk’s interpretation of the real world) where studio executives cancel franchises and actors retire, so they have to create their own in-universe explanations for these phenomena. Really reminds me of the metanarratives of Undertale and Deltarune, if anyone is familiar with those games.
That's a great way to look at it!
To me the “meta” theme is that it’s not about the X-men or Deadpool being in the MCU that matters, what matters is that the characters being represented are being done with the upmost care.
This movie doesn’t read like a “we need Deadpool in the MCU to save the MCU!” It reads more like “we need people to understand even if this isn’t a full MCU movie, it’s still a good superhero movie, indicating “it’s not just our universe (MCU) that makes this stuff special, it’s all the history. It’s the fact that, when done right, anyone can make a good superhero movie.” If anything it feels MORE like a jab to Fox executives who shied away from the silliness of this franchise
That's some great commentary. I love it!
This movie was so amazing! My dad and I loved everything about it: the visuals, the sound design, the fight choreography, the casting, the cameos, the acting, etc. Just awesome! It's funny because we didn't like Deadpool when we first watched it back in 2016, but we love it now after giving it another try. Glad we did and thanks for another great video 😤🔥!
So happy you like the movie. I agree, it was soooo good!
If A5 is AvX (with Elements of Time Runs Out), i'm all in.
Yeah, I really love that idea. And even though it is now officially named Doomsday, I still bet that we may get that AvX fight!
39:03 I think conceptually you’re right, but they’re going to take their time before avengers versus X-Men, so that the general audiences who haven’t seen the old movies can get new stories in the X-Men universe with new actors like the fantastic four before universes collide
Good theory...I'd be down for more stories in that universe before the collisions occur!
Blade showing up in the movie shocked me. I did not expect him to be in the movie especially since blade wasn’t owned by fox, and Ryan and Wesley hated each other on blade trinity. I remember I commented on a video saying I think blade wouldn’t show up and I’m glad i was so wrong. Also with the scene where the tva agent gets eaten, it was apparently cut and I think tva agent is played by Rob Mcelhenney, who is Ryan Reynolds friend in real life and also had a show with him called welcome to wrexham, Rob also starred in its always sunny in Philadelphia, it makes sad his cameo got cut because he is so funny in it’s always sunny. Also when I saw the movie with my friends we got a trailer for a Chris Evan’s movie where he looked different, but I turned to my friend and said hey it’s captain America and he’s like “how did you know that he was on screen for 20 seconds” and I said he has a unique voice. Fast forward to when we are watching the movie and Johnny Storm appears wearing a hood and he spoke I was like “I think I know that voice but I need him to speak again just to be sure.” I just thought it was funny that I recognized Chris Evan’s in a trailer for some Christmas before seeing him in Deadpool and Wolverine
I thought about it and I bet the reason why Wesley was a jerk on set was because of his character being replaced by Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel. Jealousy I guess. And being pissed he wasn't the main character of his own movie. Same issue that marvel seems to be having with the blade script right now.
Yeah, I was so glad Blade was in the movie. He was amazing!
@@goodfellas1001 Yeah, that makes alot of sense!
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For me this was the first project to do for really a multiversal adventure, where characters quite different from each other and above all forgotten (an excellent metaphor to give a final farewell to the Fox universe) find themselves in the "landfill" place per excellence, the void, a true purgatory of the multiverse. And whoever decides to be bad (Cassandra Nova's side) takes possession of something that doesn't exist and does it only because he failed to do it in his universe or just didn't have the chance to do it (this is clearly Cassandra's characterization, as well as his personal revenge against his brother). Instead, those who decide to rebel, heroes who couldn't or didn't have the chance to save their worlds, strangely thanks to the will of Deadpool and Wolverine, two characters who at the beginning of the movie are destroyed by their own failure, have the chance to show themselves for a last time and demonstrate the heroes they can be, despite being part of a legacy, the Fox one, now ready to disappear. In fact, the whole movie is a story of assert, the one between Deadpool and Wolverine. Deadpool saves his world, his family and makes it clear that unlike the plan Paradox had in mind, universes can coexist, the anchor is not an absolute thing and that even metaphorically becoming part of the sacred timeline it is not an obligation. Wolverine on the other hand, like all the "heroes" in the void, by maturing his own failure helps to save what is still saveable, and in fact in that beautiful phrase said by B-15, which is also right because this is how the TVA should do it , Logan understands that you can't fix the universe, but you can "fix" yourself, and that's what he did, thanks also to a character as antihero and bizarre as Deadpool. Because yes, this movie proves that even antiheroes like Deadpool and underdogs like the Wolverine of this movie can have relevance in this great little multiverse. Honestly, I'm glad I didn't see all the possible cameos, especially regarding the X Men, because otherwise the sense of Secret Wars event would be lost, and above all they would have taken away the focus on the protagonists and the path they take. Several things regarding the TVA and the anchor issue are still to be explained and not to be ignored for subsequent movies, but the proposed adventure and the heart given to the two protagonists really made this movie fun and exciting, and this was certainly an excellent start to really show the potential of characters and curious dynamics in the multiverse thanks to the void. However, as regards the alternative versions of the two protagonists, it was clearly a bizarre and fun game to watch, and given the tone of the movie, it absolutely fits.
Fantastic commentary. Loved reading all of that. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the movie!
Loved it so much, been twice already 😂
Yeah, such a good movie. Ryan and Hugh were amazing together!
Cassandra basically gave us the point of secret wars. Send everything to the void in order to play god.
Yep...I agree. It seemed like a very nice setup for how Secret Wars will go down!
it’s a shame they killed her off. I don’t like the fact that they have killed almost every single villain off at the end of these movies besides promising ones like Loki and even for one movie, Thanos. i felt like Emma Corrin gave such a great performance of Cassandra and really made her her own person outside of the villain persona the character was put in that i genuinely thought she was gonna live alongside Deadpool and Wolverine at the end and wander back into the Void where she’ll remain to regain her powers and become stronger so she can come back for future movies, especially for the MCU X-men movies. I just think she would’ve been a great X-men mcu movie villain
@@omarslayz Yeah, I agree...it was a bummer to lose her after one movie.
First thing I'm doing after watching the movie, finally!
So glad you got to see it...such a great movie!
@@AbitofEverything4Uyes, I really enjoyed it
Awesome!
I definitely got the vibe that an anchor being is just a meta joke. Probably how they’ll kill the sonyverse lol
I agree...really feels like it was just meant to be meta.
Really liked the updated multiversal graphic with the void, quantum realm, etc. to the side. It will be nice to get the graphic with the Sony universe instead of, or in addition to, the paint. Being a selfish Ghost Rider fan I suggest him for the representative image for the Sony tree. 😆
I really enjoyed those Ghost Rider movies. Cage was so perfect in the role!
still upset that we didn’t get an x-men 97’ wolverine cameo in the scene where wade is looking through wolverines
It wasn’t really main priority mate
The 5'3 Comic Accurate Version was a nod to that, right?
I think it would mess with x-men 97 canon
if they did, it's going to be like a space jam, type crossover with cartoons
I feel like they haven’t figured out how live action/animated canon works in relation to one another.
Saw this pop up and bought a ticket. Got out 5 minutes ago. Excited to see what you spotted!
Hope you enjoyed the movie. I loved it!
It seems like DP&W happens after Logan died. Which means either Logan's death has just been retconned to having happened much earlier (say, 2024), or DP&W happens in 2029.
If DP&W is set in 2029, then it retcons all the DP movies to happen a few years after their real-world release.
So, we do know Wade visits Earth 616 in 2018, and that DP&W happens 6 years later. The only explanation is that Earth 10005 is 5 years ahead of Earth 616.
So, Earth 616 would be in 2018 while Earth 10005 would be in 2023. Maybe Jesus was born 5 years prior or that Earth has a different event for its year 1.
When they are talking Logans death, the graphic shows the death of Logan and then reverberating back through the timeline. The visual accompanied with Paradox explanation led me to believe that the death of Logan leads to the destruction of the ENTIRE timeline, not just the a bookend, but an unraveling of the entire thing.
This would mean the death of an anchor at any point would result in every point of the timeline beginning to unravel. Maybe the TVA just decided to grab deadpool from that moment in the timeline, as the entire thing is going to go kaput
If happens before he died. Logan’s death affects the entire timeline, and unravels the past as well.
No it was just chaotic time travel. Logan still happens in 2029.
Very good questions. I'm sorry for being so late to respond, but I think the other respondents nailed it. Logan is still in 2029, but DP&W is in 2024 and the death of Logan as the "anchor being" reverberates through time and destroys everything before and after the current 2024 setting of DP&W. At least, that's how I interpreted it. It was pretty tricky to follow, tbh.
Awesome video as always! Just had a question out of curiosity, your videos are always so diligent and detailed - clearly crafted with care. That being said, given this movie just came out, when you watch the latest marvel films do you take notes in the theater? Or is it all from memory (which would be impressive!). Or is it a combination where you go and see the film once for fun, and then go again to get prepared to make a video?
Great questions! So I go and take tons of notes and then try my best to reconstruct it. It's really hard and I wish there was some way we could pay Disney abit extra to have access to view the movie a second time at home if we signed all kinds of paperwork not to share it. But alas, I have to take notes and try my best to get it all down. My son also helped me remember stuff as well.
I kind of wish it got better explained in the movie but here's how I see it. Timelines and universes are the same, each timeline can have branches, creating alternate and parallel timelines/universes. If these alternate/parallel timelines/universe keep branching, they will eventually create a completely new timeline separate from the original. Each timeline and it's branches have an anchor being, if they die, the timeline and the branches connected to it will slowly fade into nothing. If separate timelines get to close to each other, and start branching into each other, they will eventually collide, causing incursions . Another quick note is that I think while Anchor beings are connected to a timeline and it's branches, absolute points are only specific to an individual branch/timeline, explaining Christine Palmer dying being a absolute point in one branch but not another. I think this also could explain why now MCU and the X-Men universes are finally interacting. Since the MCU sacred timeline is now able to expand infinitely thanks to Loki, it's now starting to hit other timelines previously unable to get to as it was isolated by He Who Remains. Anyways, that's just how I interpret it. Also I think this movie is sort of hinting at X-Men vs Avengers. I could see an incursion happening between Deadpools universe and the MCU causing a battle for the two. I think this was setup as currently in the Deadpool universe, all the X-Men are still active and we have a new wolverine there, setting it up to maybe be explored more.
Good theories on universes and timelines. I really hope we get more clarity in future multiverse movies, such as Fantastic 4. Fingers crossed. And yeah, I hope we get an Avengers vs. X-Men story. That would be so cool!
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Thanks! It was a labor of love and took forever, but I loved making it!
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I love the jokes about Gambit just being there, especially when Deadpool says “Are you sure that you wanted to be called that [Gambit] but you were never really given a chance?” and in the same scene when Deadpool asks them how they got there, Gambit says “Maybe I was born here”, a reference to the undeveloped Gambit movie. Lol 😂 I was just laughing my ass off at this. It was so funny. Even Deadpool roasts Fox for their crappy decisions. Imagine if Channing Tatum was like Ryan Reynolds and advocated for his own movie. We would be having three Gambit movies by now. 🤣
I agree...so many awesome jokes about Gambit's movie that never was. Channing did such a great job with that role. Loved it!
One critique I have with the mcu “Tva” it seems timelines and universes are one and the same. Which doesn’t make sense. Because Ryan’s time device is for time travel only.. not universe. Tva then says he is traveling through time but they are different universes and not timelines. Every wolverine looked different and had different logic
It's easy to explain, Deadpool already has the ability to see other realities without external tech (unlike the TVA). That's why he can make meta commentary in-universe and break the 4th wall. Cable's device and the TVA pad enabled him to harness that ability and move across both timelines and universes since it's basically a GPS.
@@coolo73 I understand that I’m saying “Loki “Doctor strange 2” “no way home” all have their own logic of the multiverse. This movie follows loki but the only problem is timelines and universes aren’t different. Because they say oh you from another other. We’ll that’s not a different timeline , that would be a Different universe. If you are short in one universe and tall in another.. that has nothing to do with time at that point because you would of always been tall or short regardless. Tva really doesn’t change time, they change universes. Which is crazy to think they have the easy ability to do that because if that’s the point… America Chavez isn’t that special then
I think certain 4th wall breaking moments such as that are just for fun and not to be taken seriously in the timeline.
Yeah, the metaphysics in Deadpool movies are always abit unreliable. Cable's device should only allow him to reverse time, yet in DP 2 he jumps to a branched timeline to kill the crappy Deadpool and jumps to (it seems) the real world where he kills Ryan Reynolds. Then in DP&W, he jumps all the way to the 616. None of that makes sense, but Deadpool does as Deadpool pleases, it seems.
However, once he gets the TVA device, I suspect he's only jumping to branches. Each Wolverine can look really different if the branch in the X-men timeline occurred long before Logan was born, for example. So that could result in very different looking Wolverines. Or at least that's my guess as to how that worked. Anyway, it's all pretty weird when Deadpool is in charge of a movie. lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U my only thing is .. are they timelines or different universes because marvel makes them sound one and the same
I’m already confused about Asgard either being a planet in space or a realm within space which makes no sense
I like the part when Deadpool talks about the multiverse been having missed after missed, referring to post-endgame projects that went mediocre recently.
Yeah that was pretty funny! Lots of great jokes in the movie!
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Thanks so much...that's very nice of you to say. Really appreciate your support!
I for sure thought the camera that showed human torch’s monologue at the end was similar to K.E.V.I.N too
Ikr? it would be so wild if Marvel tried to tie the TVA and K.E.V.I.N. together somehow!
I think that Ancor beings may probably keep coming, however my very first thought about this was the meta commentary about main characters or actors of these dying/leaving and that franchise being done. I honestly think it’s far more to do with that than a new rule and concept being introduced, seeing as the themes fit very well with that notion.
Very good theory! You may be right about that.
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Never clicked so fast on a notification!! Also think it’s time for a big timeline video 😉
I agree...I need to do another timeline video soon!
Great video, man! I LOVED this movie. We need a new MCU entry ranking from you including the Netflix seasons now that they’re officially canon!
I agree...what a great movie! And oh my, that ranking will take days on end. lol! But I agree, I need to do that!
@@AbitofEverything4U haha, no rush! I have enjoyed your takes on the MCU. Keep up the great content!
Thanks!!!
Bro I also thought that was the camera kevin. I almost lost it
ikr? That was so wild...really hope they eventually make that connection!
It’s definitely ruffalo’s hulk but it’s not ruffalo himself, also isn’t it cool that cavillrine is the only non jackman wolverine variant, only time we’ve seen this so far is in Loki with the Lokis and spiderman but that’s more meta-textual, I’d say binary but she has to be named Carol Danvers for it work the same way
Yeah, it sure seemed like Ruffalo's hulk, which is cool. And I do love that all the variants were Hugh, other than Henry. My guess is that particular timeline branched early enough that it resulted in a very different looking Wolverine. Such an awesome movie!
I love your theory on the real meaning behind anchor beings. I’d say we have a 50/50 shot of never hearing that term again or having it come up again
Thanks! Yeah, I really hope it doesn't get mentioned again...or that if it does, that they explain it so that it makes more sense!
I think the Beyonder dropped the Secret Wars comic off in BattleWorld . lol but maybe
Considering how meta the Deadpool movie is… I could totally see the beyonder dropping that comic off there
@@AbitofEverything4U I do think someone who is observing everything is dropping clues and hints throughout the multiverse .
@@AbitofEverything4U hey have you ever thought about what could have happened to Kang when he was absorbed into the Heart of Forever in Quantumania . I believe a lot of concepts were demonstrated in Quantumania via the task Kang gave Scott. I think we were shown the HOF is a probability drive that can calculate infinite possibilities. If it absorbed Kang it’s not too far fetched to believe either Kang’s aura was spread across all realities or due to him also being hit with enlarging and shrinking disks it’s highly possible that his awareness < was maximized BEYOND the 5th dimension due to his conscious also spreading across every possible reality . I’m saying either his Aura was broken down into every possible version of himself CREATING A CLOSED LOOP(the multiversal war) or he was enlarged and can now see all realities at once .
Yeah, I do wonder if we'll see that Kang from Quantumania again, perhaps as the Beyonder!
29:25-I think this was an instance of Ryan Reynolds trolling us due to the early leaks.
He also "leaked" a Predator in The Void as being a cameo but it didn't happen
Yep...I can totally see Ryan trolling us and I love him for doing it!
Here's my thing about Anchor beings. Initially, I hated this idea also. But when I thought about it, it actually makes a lot of sense. In the MCU, universes ARE timelines, a branching timeline becomes its own "universe." From a meta standpoint, writers create new universes to tell a specific story they wouldn't otherwise be able to tell in the previous universe. The timestream in the MCU seems to operate like an organic being (like a tree if you will), so branches can be thought of as the timeline branching out to tell a certain story. Once that story ends, I.E. once a character dies, that branch becomes withered and useless. The story has been told, the idea has run its course. One of the things holding me back also was the thought that "Oh, well, what about before the anchor being is born? What happens during that time? But again, timelines/universes "branch." So the "before" part is from another existing timeline, and that point onward involve the anchor being. I wouldn't be surprised if it's further revealed/explained that anchor beings are always the "cause" of a timeline branching off, I think this would solidify the idea anyway.
UPDATE: As I thought about it, that part about people that cause branching becoming an anchor being makes even more sense. Consider our Logan, a known anchor being of his timeline. He literally went back in time and averted the DOFP sentinel timeline. I.E. he branched it off. In that moment, Logan caused a new timeline and became its anchor being. This just makes the most intuitive sense that someone who creates a new timeline becomes interlinked with it
UPDATE 2: Paradox DOES actually say you can't replace an anchor being. The line after that is "I wouldn't have taken any of the wolverines, but you had to go out of your way and get the worst one." He's just saying it's not a thing you can do, but even if you could, you got the worst one
Fantastic theories on anchor beings. I'll be very interested to see how the concept is used going forward and leading up to Secret Wars!
44:43 Sidenote I love diss DC in this movie and also DC attempt to do what this movie did which was love letter
Yeah, that was very funny!
An anchor being is in the comics. It’s the role that the molecule man plays in secret wars. Molecule man’s death made an explosion so big, it knocked the universe into another, causing the first incursion which caused a domino affect in the multiverse. This was a bomb put into EVERY molecule man in every universe. The bombs were placed inside molecule men by the beyonders as an experiment. A sick, twisted one
Good point...I never considered that it was similar to molecule man, but you are right!
13:17 Speaking of rippling, I'd recommend you watch the miniseries The Triangle with Eric Stoltz if you haven't seen it. It's a multiverse concept that does something similar to what your describing. Might not be the most amazing show but well worth at least a single watch.
Cool...I'll have to check it out. You made me think at first of the 2009 movie Triangle, which has some incredible time loops in it. It's a sci fi movie disguised as a horror. Really good!
Not related to the movie but are you going to add the Deadpool short named No Good Deed on your timeline spreadsheet?
I was wondering about that. Do we know if it's considered canon? It's so hard to tell with those things. It seems like it could be canon as there's nothing that causes any issues, it seems.
Well said
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Man, brilliant video as always.
About the anchors, I don’t think Paradox is lying. I think this concept will be important in the next Avengers movies since it’s pretty similar to the Molecule Man in the comics.
Also I have a question for you. In the Loki tv show we learn that after the Multiversal War the Kang variants could not use their tech (which is basically the TVA tech) to travel to the Sacred Timeline, but in this movie they use the TVA devices to travel from one universe to another (which is actually consistent with He Who Remains backstory, when he and the other Kangs shared technology to travel through their universes). So do you think that normally one could use a TimePad to travel to different universes, but because of the Loom the Kang variants could not interfere with 616?
And bonus question: how would you put this movie in the mcu timeline? We know Loki s2 “takes place” in 2026 (because it needs to happen after Quantumania). But we also know Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in 2024 (and we assume that it is the year 2024 at the same time in 616 and 10005) but it really wouldn’t make sense to put the movie in 2024 in the mcu timeline since from the TVA point of view this happens after Loki. I’m really confused about this.
Awesome questions!
On the anchor being, I do suspect you are right that we'll see the anchor being concept come up again, but I hope they flesh it out abit more and explain how and why it works the way it does. ig it's kinda like Molecule Man in the comics?
On the loom question, I think that whatever HWR did when he constructed the loom, it made it impossible for the other Kangs to locate him. Plus, they knew he had weaponized Alioth, so perhaps they didn't want to seek him out as they were afraid of the beast. Just my theories on that.
On the timeline, yeah, that's a tricky one. I do suspect it will go after Loki Season 2, as that's how it relates to the 616 timeline. But I do think each universe has it's own "present day". In some cases, it's the same as another universe, but in some cases it's earlier (such as Spider-Man Noir) or later (such as Miguel and Penni). So I think they will place the movies in relation to the 616 timeline. Fantastic Four, for example, will also be after Loki S2, even though it seems it's set in the 60's. Man, the multiversal timeline is getting so tricky!
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You’re probably right about the Council being afraid of Alioth. They probably didn’t even care much about 616 back then since they had an entire multiverse to play with.
About the timeline, yeah I guess that could work. If they’ll confirm that The Marvels post credit also takes place in 10005 it’s gonna be a little mess, but we’ll definitely have a fun time on trying to explain it to ourselves!
Yep, always a fun time trying to understand the intricacies of the MCU multiverse!
I believe paradox said that when an anchor being dies it takes about 2000 years to fully deteriorate
Interesting...I thought he said 1000, but if he did say 2000 I'd be down for that as well. Definitely a long time in either case. Thanks for pointing that out!
My question is, why are people still stuck in the void? If Loki took control allowing free will across the multiverse, wouldn’t it make sense to return all the people lost in the void as well? Seems contradictory
Great question! I suspect the issue is that most of the people in the void were pruned and their timelines were reset. So there isn't anywhere for them to go. And I also suspect that the TVA assumes most everyone in the void is dead due to Alioth. But you raise a good point regarding whether the TVA should try to help out anyone left alive in the void. It does seem the TVA (even B-15) want the Deadpool variants in the void, though...and honestly, who can blame her!
@@AbitofEverything4U thanks for clearing that up for me that actually makes a ton of sense!!
yw! It was a very good question!
I noticed a scene with a whole bunch of pyramids in the void, wonder if that was from the tva hunting kangs across the multiverse. Also wondering if the geography of the void is sort of expanding from the wasteland from Loki, with alioth off he who remain's leash he may be less aggressive and able to be warded off by certain superpowered residents. Hope it gets revisited again, one of my preferred concepts from the multiverse.
I wondered about those pyramids as well. Hope we find out if they were related to Kang somehow. And I agree, I hope we get more lore around the void and Alioth. They are such cool concepts!
17:04 the way I understood the logic of anchor beings is that their death is the start of the process of the universe spaghettifying; this process naturally varies in length and Mr. Paradox use of the time ripper is the same effect but way quicker. An anchors death is just a personification of a natural phenomenon of universal decay
Well said...I agree, that makes alot of sense.
You mentioned around 18:00 that Deadpool’s universe looks like an actual universe that’s not branched off of Lokis tree, but maybe that’s not because it is a separate universe from the 616 tree, which if you look at my comment on your recent Deadpool and Wolverine video, but because it’s all a part of the same Multiverse just medium sized branches branching off of the sacred timeline and then more little branches branching off of these different universes. And the reason why the screens look like the old ways of how a timeline looks paradox and his team wants to go back to the old ways of the TVA, so they designed these screens and scopes to look like how things were when in reality the screens would look like Loki’s tree
Also, another words with paradox not liking how the TV runs things after Loki season two, that’s a metaphor for people that grew up in like the 50s or 60s not liking how society is so they can decorate their own house on how things used to be. So again that’s why the screens look like the old way they used to handle the sacred timeline.
Excellent feedback! Yeah, I think at this point that all theories are valid, since Marvel hasn't made it crystal clear yet. But for all the reason I mention in this video, as well as the "History of the Multiverse" video that I tagged in your earlier comment, I really think Marvel is indicating a multiple tree scenario. Hopefully the Fantastic Four movie will answer all our questions. Thanks again for the awesome feedback on the vid. Really appreciate you taking the time to share it!
i think you should make a huge poster of timeline including all of the movies and shows just like how geekritique does it
That's a good idea!
Love that the “Loki s1 ep5” joke got you so hard! Stuff like that makes it feel like they really made this movie with us in mind. I am curious as to what makes you think X23 was from earth-10005? I could’ve missed dialogue, but to me if these were all people from that earth why aren’t ENTIRE earths sent to the void instead of just these individuals? To me all of these people are similar to Deadpool in that their world was getting pruned, they set them aside into the void for one reason or another. Loving the video so far! Yours was the first I watched when I got done with the movie :)
Great questions! So they don't say exactly where X-23 came from, so it was truly just a guess on my part. But since the movie seems to canonize that Deadpool's is in the same timeline as the Logan movie, it just seemed cool to think that X-23 was from that same timeline (maybe around 2035).
As for her being pruned, but not her whole world, it seems that based upon what either Blade or Elektra said (I don't recall which said it), they were pruned due to not playing nice with the TVA. So I don't think their worlds had been pruned, but just them. However, all of that is just a guess. To your point, the movie doesn't give us any firm answers. So your theory on all of it is very valid as well. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Thanks so much!
25:58 Thank goodness someone besides me also thought that it was K.E.V.I.N who recorded Johnny badmouthing Cassandra
lol...yeah, it sure seemed like that was our old buddy. K.E.V.I.N.!