THE REFS WERE RIGHT: NFL Releases Video EXPLAINING Taylor Decker ILLEGAL TOUCHING | Lions vs Cowboys
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- THE REFS WERE RIGHT: NFL Releases Video EXPLAINING Taylor Decker ILLEGAL TOUCHING | Lions vs Cowboys
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Did NFL Referee Brad Allen BOTCH this call on Taylor Decker for Illegal Touching in Detroit Lions vs Dallas Cowboys?? NFL releases video explaining what happened! Click on the Video today to find out!! - Спорт
Well this is a real head-scratcher. The NFL says the officiating crew didn't screw up so they punished them by making them ineligble for playoff duty. Go figure!
Did you not see the bogus tripping penalty on Hendershot just minutes earlier? It should've been called on Hutchinson if called at all. Skipper should not be giving the established, CORRECT signaling for eligibility at the same time that Decker is not. Two men can't report. They bear responsibility for screwing this up.
The only way that you can totally blame the refs for this is thinking that it is the refs job to assist you in trying to deceive the opposing defense. IOW...wink, wink...Skipper is gonna give the correct, established signals but you just ignore that and acknowledge Decker who won't give the correct, established signal. Wink...wink. And that way we will trick them...Okay?
How they thought the refs would go along with that is unfathomable. Campbell's devious tackle caper blew up in his face (whether intentional or not) and it isn't entirely the league's fault.
It's not just for that play it was for all the other mistakes they made!
i think they have made that decision based on other mistakes they have made, but this wasnt one of them.
@@vrusimov did you know that the Cowboys coaches could have just ran the clock out and none of this would have mattered?
@@GulNadar did you know that the Lions could have kicked the extra point and none of this would have mattered?
Now let the Same nfl experts explain the botched tripping call that even allowed the lions to even touch the ball.
and let those same experts review the 92 yard td pass to Ceedee Lamb, more specificly the missed holding call being committed on #46 who clearly was within range to get to Dak on that throw. We review everything that one comes back as well.
@@jagzorzThey miss a lot of holding calls on every team but rarely do they call a penalty on the wrong player and wrong team on a crucial drive at the end of the game. Lions should have kicked a FG. Blame your big ball HC for the L.
Now lets have the Cowboys coaching staff explain why they didn't run the clock out even with the tripping call. Game is over or at worst 15-5 seconds left. Basic end of game football and the coaches choaked.
@jagzorz there is literally a holding penalty on every single play in the NFL
@@jagzorz That one is easy, the defender never got around the offensive lineman for the holding to be called. The refs aren't going to call holding even if the offensive lineman has a hold of the jersey if the hold is directly in front of the player, it's not until the player passes the offensive lineman that holding can be called. You can watch the play again, as soon as the defensive player passes the offensive lineman the offensive lineman lets go of the jersey before the hold restricts the player from moving freely past him. So, no there was no hold and the play stands. This would be called the same way 97% of the time.
Supposedly, the lions met with the refs before the gane started and discussed this exact play. The female sideline? Ref can be heard saying that it was 68 and word meeting. Not sure why the nfl would ban the crew if they were right all along.
Social pressure bc fans are dumb, and they clearly wont overturn a game, so they had to do "something" freaking cancel culture
They banned them for the bogus tripping penalty they called on Dallas plus there were several other mistakes the refs made during that game.
NFL is the WWE with better PR. They are both, legally, sports entertainment companies.That is why the patriots went on their run right after 9/11, Jerome bettis winning the Superbowl in his own hometown, and now both the Dallas undefeated at home as well as the Stafford coming back to Detroit for the first home playoff game in 30 years storylines are intact. That is why the NFL welcomes us to the following PRESENTATION of the NFL, not game of the NFL.
They did not ban the refs lol, they called the ravens game the next week. That was all media BS. These refs were not punished at all
@@navyvet8798 they announced a playoff ban. But who knows.
It wasn’t on accident. It was orchestrated. All three lineman meeting with the ref at the same time was on purpose they had been setting it up with 70 all game. It was also intentional to send 68 and 58 up there. It was creative but as it turned out too creative.
Yes, not many people caught on that sending both of your tackles who happen to be 58 and 68 could potentially cause confusion also.
What was the purpose of sending them up there though?
@@connorgillispie7128 to confuse the defense presumably. They are like to think it’s 70, but if the official tells the defense that it is 68 they may hear or think 58. The whole setup was very clever and designed to get 68 open on the short side corner of the end zone.
@@mloney9772 seems like it backfired
Having two or three players stand in front of the Referee while one reports “eligible” is not complicated. It’s not a ruse to hide who is reporting until the Referee announces it. It’s like a coach covering his mouth while calling a play.
What *_was_* super confusing and complicated on that play was the Lions’ formation. Should we also blame the Lions and not the Refs for a complicated formation?
Let's say you are correct. Why wasn't #68 flagged for illegal formation at the snap? He was the last person on the line of scrimmage on the left.
At the snap he was legal if he stayed and blocked. But after the snap he ran a pass pattern in the end zone and caught the pass. Since he was officially an ineligible receiver that was the penalty.
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em No. The last people on both ends of the line of scrimmage at the snap must be eligible receivers. Since the refs claim that #68 was ineligible, his being the last person on the left side on the line of scrimmage makes that an illegal formation.
@@NickWitthausthere was an illegal formation it just wasn’t called on the other side…if I’m not mistaken
Two flags were thrown on the play. Illegal touching and illegal formation...according to Allen. Illegal touching by Decker made illegal formation a moot point, at least for him. Skipper being covered up by Sewell was the problem on the other side. But illegal formation (on either side) was always going to be called on that play if Decker had caught the ball or not...or even gone out to catch the ball.
@@vrusimov The flags were thrown after the catch. Illegal formation is called at the snap, not at the conclusion of the play. The only announced penalty was illegal touching. You hear multiple fouls on the same play announced all the time. "Offsides on #99, that penalty is declined. Roughing the passer on #99, that penalty is accepted." So, illegal formation was never called on that play.
At the 3 min mark in your video - it appears that Decker is signaling with his right hand against his chest that he is reporting as eligible on his way to talk to Brad Allen. It appears Decker correctly hand signaled and verbally confirmed his intentions to be eligible to Allen. Not sure what Skipper was trying to do since despite him appearing to signal to Allen (but not clear Allen saw him) he didn’t appear to verbally confirm with Allen that he was eligible.
Decker did not correctly hand signal. He moved his hand briefly to his chest and then dropped it. In the video that the league sent the 32 teams it shows CLEARLY the established visual cues to report eligible...and Skipper made those cues TWICE, including at 23 seconds.
Moreover, there is simply no reason for Skipper to be signaling AT ALL if Decker was to report eligible on that play. As I've said before...either Skipper forgot, wasn't told, or signaled deliberately in an effort to confuse and deceive the referee and the Dallas defense.
Allen followed protocol and procedure, acknowledging the correct visual cues that are given by a player reporting eligible, which Skipper gave. He can cry about not saying anything to the official all he wants. Again, there is no reason for him to be signaling (properly) at all if Decker is supposed to be the guy. Once he did that, the Lions were screwed because TWO MEN CAN'T REPORT. Campbell should already know that.
The Lions botched this...and they know it...and Campbell's quip that defenses engage in deception on every play is PROOF. What he doesn't get is that defenses are allowed deception within the rules of the game (until they break the rules). What the Lions attempted is outside the rules of the game. Two men can't report. As the league video states...the onus is entirely on the team and the player to accurately report a player as eligible. It is NOT on the referee or the league.
In the end, they sent three guys at a referee with only one giving the established visual cues that signal for eligibility (Skipper). The referee followed his training, protocol and procedure. The Lions did not. They tried to play shady with it and it backfired.
@@vrusimovyou’re COMPLETELY wrong on this. An NFL team can totally attempt to set up their opponents using trickery as long as it falls within the bounds of the rules. Part of the Lions intent for this game as they indicated to the referees in their private pregame meeting (very normal) was that they were going to use 70 as an eligible player several times but would/might switch to 68 being eligible on a special play.
So the Lions sent in 70 several times with the same, overt “I’m eligible” behavioral display to lull the Cowboys into a comfort zone.
And then, on purpose for this special trick play, they took 3 actions. Action 1 they sent 2 offensive linemen to the referee to make it look like they were discussing something, not that one of them was reporting eligible. You can see the QB even tell them both to do this in the huddle right before hand. It’s obvious this is part of the plan. Then, second, 68 makes the chest motion one time as required and verbally tells the referee that he is reporting eligible, which the referee had zero business misunderstanding, he was three feet in front of the guy. And third, the Lions PRETENDED to send in 70 as an eligible player, making the hand motions and even “approaching the referee” but NOT saying that he was eligible verbally, because he was not actually reporting. All of 70’s actions were meant to be a misdirection to the Cowboys, and it likely would have worked, had the referee not botched this. Showing up to the pregame meeting would have helped. The NFL and this specific referee blew it for the Lions.
@@vrusimov I believe that Dan Cambell notified the refs pregame that they were going to use a trick play that would confuse the defense. Have multiple people go to the ref so they would be confused on who to cover. Dan Cambell in an interview after the game said he specifically laid out this "to a T" (his words). Since Skipper had reported a few times as eligible earlier in this game, the defense would assume (hopefully) that this would be the case again and be "tricked".
To emphasize this, even the ref stated that Skipper reported as eligible then lined up as lineman so there wasn't a reason for him to report as an eligible receiver. He's lined up as the right-most lineman in this play and neve rmoves. He's not "covered up" he's a lineman. Decker is offset from the ball on the left side (1 lineman left of center, 3 linemen to the right, and Decker is lined up as a TE).
Skipper was singalling Jumbo 12 package i beleive he said. Changinging eligibilaty is far from the only thing had signals are used for.
These assholes are just regurgitating the leagues usual nonsense to keep their jobs. This league is messed up.
Skipper was trying to get the Cowboys to see him report but not have the ref see. Decker was trying to get the ref to see him report but not the Cowboys. Just a little too much trickeration.
In a nut shell!
Except the ref already saw him signal in as eligible
@@melindaalvarez263 actually I think number 70 put his arms down as soon as the ref turned to look at him! THAT was the big plan. Look at the video carefully when that white hat is pointed at 70 and it’s not and where 70’s arms are.
They tricked themselves
@@chazm3 But the ref already saw him declaring himself eligible
Fact is.. if Mike McCarthy could manage a clock, none of these scenarios would have even happened, period!! 🤔
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He was being aggressive but yes could have avoided all this. I woulda ran the clock and kicked the fg.
If my aunt had a penis she’d be my uncle…what’s your point what happened…happened…can’t have everything…but DAL can have that W…and they did
Yall kilked me Mike Mccarthy, the only coach in the nfl . Get criticism of clock management in a win. Have yall noticed that. The media don't talk about any other coach of bad clock management in a win, and I'm sure it's happening all the time. Stop being brainwashed because negative comments get more rating and click about the cowboys than positive comments.
@@slapjones1959 exactly and this is being said at the same time a coach tried to technically cheat 😂 😂
From watching this angle it looks like the Lions knew that the ref was telling the Cowboys that #70 was reporting and they just let it go hoping that they would get away with it. Obviously if they ran up to the ref and said *"NOOO! It's #68 not #70"* that would tip their hand, so they just said nothing hoping that no flag would be thrown. I hate to think that because it's cheating, but it sure looks that way.
Campbell claims he didn’t hear them announce who was eligible throughout the entire stadium yet the Cowboys coaches heard it on the field and in the booth. You would think considering how important it was that the referee got this right with the player that the Lions would have been playing close attention to that announcement.
From the angle we still don't know anything that was said. Everything done at the line of scrimage was legal. Better sites explain every important players positioning and why they lined up how they did.
@@GulNadar 😂 😂 even if everything they they did at the line was legal(I believe it wasn’t)…as soon as the ball snaps it’s not 😂
Dean Blandino said in an interview that the stadium announcements can be difficult to hear on the field
@@SHOWTYMEslimx What don't you understand? Skipper lines up in a three point stance at RT. (That's legal)
Sewell lines up in the slot off the line in a two point stance and motions into the new RT spot, making Skipper a RG, which is legal. ASRB is properly on the line making Sewell's spot legal. Decker at LT was supposed to be called illegible. IF he was called illegible he could go out for a pass route. That's how it all works, 100% by the rules in the book.
When people don't explain how each player matters to the formation, either they don't know or it's not explained on purpose.
The ref ignores #68 when he walks directly up to him 2:56. The refs botched this, they gave Dallas the wrong information and now they can't undo their mistake.
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I agree, he ignores him. But 68 isn't giving any signal so the ref may think two players are approaching him to gripe about something which 90% of the time is tuned out by the ref. This is why you have to give the signal as well as verbal communication.
68 didn't raise his hand or rub his chest.
# 70 gave the signal, but did not report to the official. #68 reported as an eligible receiver to the official but he did not give the signal. The Lions got a little too cute with the deception though. But according to the rules, Decker did report.
@@strongcloud28 what deception? You think they would hear the number 70 but not 68?
also, more than one player can report... why would the ref totally ignore the player in his face saying "reporting" even if he THOUGHT 70 was reporting(which he wasnt)??
maybe cuz he never fucking reported??? its a common deception play, we ran this shit in college multiple times a week
@@truantmale according to this video he did
@@DaveWootenWasHere According to the video, 68 never gave a hand signal as required, and 70 never talked to the ref, so technically, no one reported.
@@truantmale So what you think happened was that 68 left the huddle, then stood face to face with the ref, and did not report, and then intended to receive the ball anyway?
@@retiefgregorovich810 at like 4:08 mark, when 70 has a yellow circle around him... you can see 68 approaching the ref, swiping his jersey, and then coming face to face with the ref.
So....if the Referee(s) did NOT botch all this, then WHY did the NFL impose the punishment they did?
I think that’s just a rumor.
That crew will be in Baltimore for a crucial matchup between the Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers.
for the botched tripping call is what a few places are reporting. And one or two other clearly bad calls made during the game, not that one penalty.
they still botched it
Probably just the culmination of their season, and not directly for this game. This was the same crew that did such a poor job at the end of the Packers vs Chiefs game.
If You were right... DONT U THINK THE NFL WOULD HAVE THEIR BACK ... INSTEAD... of Suspending those Refs from the Playoffs..???
It’s cumulative over the season of bad games. This crew have been talked about all season for messing up games. Between this mess and the tripping penalty it probably push them over the edge.
Doesn't matter if it was right or wrong. The league screwed up by wasting time. Now the we've investigated ourselves and found ourselves innocent trope and you've got a big mess. Releasing the audio would clear a lot up.
Do you really want these guys officiating the most important games of the season??
Why do people keep thinking that one call got them suspended?
@@willjackson4354 Especially with this crew. They have had quite a season of making the NFL look bad.
This is stupid. What about 68 being in the refs face saying he's reporting verbally. The ref assumed and didn't stop to figure it out. He acted like the clock was running and ran away
Nonsenes. 68 clearly didn't get the call. The announcement was made. Lions should have called that when 70 was announced. DONE.
@davidc2838 Yes, when they announced it, 68 should have jumped up and down and said, " NO REF THEY ARE THROWING IT TO ME NOT 70." Ref was lazy and wasn't paying attention plain and simple
@sethskullsberg7787 if the lions hear the wrong number called and continue with the play, then they intentionally ran an illegal play by passing to a person who wasn't acknowledged as eligible. It didn't have to be #68 to stand up and say something. Any player could have said something though Goff is the leader so it's ultimately his job. I'd say the Lions got lazy and careless. They knew the wrong number was called and ran with the play anyway. The ref may have made a mistake but the lions decided to try and run an illegal play and it cost them. They had a chance to tie it up twice but gambled and lost
68 admitted he only said one word, one time and did and said NOTHING else, just "Report" that's all.
You need to watch this video with sound on. Lol
Sorry but the data used in this analysis was so incomplete that it made it inaccurate. Several things not considered here:
1. This exact play including the players involved was previewed with the refs pregame
2. Skip never talked to the ref, you can confirm that in the complete video - he simply ran up to Deck and another player talking to the ref in order to deceive the defense but said nothing.
3. There is a high def close-up video that shows the ref nodding his head in acknowledgement after Deck said something (reported) to him.
4. There was not an illegal formation: it is what's called an unbalanced formation, so Deck was basically lined up as a tight end, while the other side had 2 tackles. You can do that, so long as you have 7 total at the line of scrimmage.
5. Offenses try to deceive defenses all day long; that does not excuse the officiating crew from making mistakes based on how the teams try to trick each other!
6. The two point conversion was officially called as successful by the officiating crew on the field & was on the scoreboard for over 15"; there were no flags until 17 seconds had lapsed. The flag/reversal came from upstairs. How is that possible if the rationale was that #68 did not report?
7. While the lions could have noticed and corrected the overhead announcement that # 70 was reporting as an eligible they're all engaged in the game at this point and feel that the communication has been made it is certainly not their responsibility to police the stadium announcement. That's absurd.
It's unf'nbelievable that no one is talking about how a tripping call is enforced against the wrong team? That call changed the whole final 2 minutes of the game!
They are too busy hating on the Cowboys at all cost!
if that penatly was called on the right team this controversy literally wouldnt even exist, thats why. everybody needs a reason to hate the cowboys
@@truantmale That's 100% correct. It's just hard to fathom all of these so called experts on national shows, INCLUDING FORMER PLAYERS, that don't even mention it. Admittedly, I do not watch much from any one of these shows, but one would just think that something so unthinkable being called in a game would be talked about a little lol. The only one I've heard talk about it is Adam Schefter! Is he the only one providing NFL news to the public reputable?
Too busy insinuating that Jerry Jones paid off the refs to actually acknowledge where the real mistake was made...
Hey! My position isn't that there was a conspiracy! My position is that the refs were screwing up the whole game, which itself is unacceptable no matter who you are! So your point about the tripping call is more evidence for MY position! Thanks! Also, yes, people are talking about that call! But do you blame them for not talking about it was much? Do you not see how the ineligible touch call might be seen by many as a bigger screw up? If not, then maybe you're the one who's not being "objective" here!
Wow, are people this stupid? Skipper reporting as eligible the whole game is part of the trick play. Deckker walked up to the ref to report as Skipper came in was to throw Dallas off. Also, if Deckker wasnt eligible as soon as the ball was snapped a flag shouldve been thrown for illegal formation, it took 30 seconds after the conversation. Maybe if people actually played football instead of sitting on the couch you would know the rules and how plays and trick plays work 😂😂
Exactly 🎯
Yes!!
Trick play or not an illegal formation is an illegal formation. An illegal touch is an illegal touchdown
Facts
the whole world heard 70 as eligible !! why didn’t the Lions corrected it?
If the rule says that you have to do BOTH visual and verbal communication with the ref to complete the sign and skipper said he didn’t SAY anything then did he report?
at the same time if you don't see 68 signal did he report? It sounds like regardless it's the same penalty.
can you explain the holding in the inzone that resulted in a home run to lamb? apples and oranges
@@TheSmoke420TiresBbqGuns or the tripping penalty on the wrong team????? come on man. your coach got cute and got busted for it.
@TheSmoke420TiresBbqGuns can you explain the tripping that went against the wrong team?! Can you explain all the holds against Parsons alone?
@@frankwise7464lol how we both responded the same 😅
There is an inherit problem with everyone's analysis on this play. It's clear that Penei Sewell #58 and Taylor Decker #68 are going to talk to the Ref as the two original tackles. It's also likely to be a discussion about who will be eligible on this play and to make it clear that it's one of them for the first time in the game. There is no other possible reason for them both going up to talk to the Ref at the same time. Dan Skipper #70 clearly never had words with the Ref to verbally commit to being eligible so there is no way to override the more likely direct conversation.
There is no other way that Penei Sewell, one of the Offense Captains, starts the play covering Skipper before he motions down to cover him in a clear off-balanced line formation. Note the positions of the other two receivers on that side of the line which clearly show that Penei was clearly not eligible either. No lineman dreaming of an eligiable catch is going to let three people cover him when he's declared eligible.
There is no way that Jarod Goff, as the other Offense Captain, throws the ball to Decker if he isn't the eligible receiver when it was clear he directed Decker to have the conversation with the Ref in the first place.
The Ref blew it and got confused by the previous work to setup this play.
The NFL is simply trying to cover this up with this "informational" film to help cover their mistake and prevent similar problems in the future. The Lions' mistake is that they didn't stop the play after the announcement, but how do you do that without being penalized by the play clock counting down??? Hmm, interesting to note that this "important training film" doesn't mention how the team should react with the Ref mistakenly announces the wrong eligible receiver.
Do you honestly think this Ref is going to restart the play clock for his mistake??? Where is the explaination of how to handle the improper announcement. Does the offense loose a timeout, have to throw a challenge flag???
Again you're missing the point of the rule. Its primary purpose is to clearly inform the defense about eligible receivers. The only grey area allowed is if the defense overlooks jersey numbers. The referee's job is to identify the eligible receiver to the defense. If this isn't done correctly, the play is, by all means, invalid. This stands true irrespective of whether the Lions indicated their eligible receiver accurately or not. NFL rules don't support awarding points based on a play that resulted from misinforming the opposition. If the Cowboys weren't correctly informed about the eligible receiver, then the play stands invalid. The essence here is fairness and crystal-clear communication. The rules aren't designed to fix scenarios based on what might have happened under proper officiating. So, even if the Lions did everything by the book, points can't be awarded on hypothetical outcomes. The game's integrity and strict rule adherence outweigh any need to rectify officiating mistakes.
As for referee interference scenarios:
Referee Interfering with a Player in Motion
Scenario: A player, moving pre-snap, accidentally collides with a referee, disrupting the play.
Outcome: The play is immediately halted. It's replayed with the clock reset to the pre-disruption time.
Referee Distracting a Player
Scenario: A referee inadvertently causes a distraction to a player, such as a receiver or quarterback, just before the snap.
Outcome: If this distraction significantly impacts the play, it's stopped, and the down is reset.
@@JP-sm1dc I'm afraid no one is actually missing the point except for yourself. If the referee had correctly acknowledged #68 as reporting (which is what actually took place on the field in real life) and then made it clear to the Cowboys defense that #68 reported, then everything is fine according to the "primary purpose" of the rule you cite. Literally nobody is arguing that the referee shouldn't correctly communicate eligible receivers to the defense (obviously they have to do that by rule anyway). Regardless, it's still more likely than not that the two-point conversion play would have succeeded, as has happened numerous times with these linemen in the past, though obviously we can't know for sure what would've happened in that scenario since the referee got the damn thing wrong.
The rules ought to be designed to unobtrusively fix scenarios that the referees get wrong. Period. The game's integrity is damaged by these kinds of officiating mistakes.
Refs absolutely are terrible and dictate games. You’re only arguing over 5 yards because the Cowboys should not be punished for a rule that’s only there for the defense to be made aware of who is eligible. The defense was told the wrong thing and the score was only completed because of this fact. You can’t give points for a hypothetical situation where the defense was told the correct information and you still score. How would that be okay that would be so much worse than what happened. Cowboys had no fault in any of this. Refs were probably 95% wrong and Lions 5%. Cowboys where 0% also truly you should have just kicked the extra point at that time. The refs would have given you the game. They hate the Cowboys more than any team. Jerry tried to take Goodells job he failed 2-3 times and Goodell has just blatantly targeted us. We are always most penalized and rarely receive plays in our favor. The timing of the calls is the worst. It usually negates a 30 yard play or worse we get the fewest holding calls that go our way. But we commit the most. It’s because holding is the easiest for them to manipulate and gives the refs the most leverage to dictate a game. Parsons is literally beat hugged from behind and they won’t call it. It is seriously insane it makes me want to quit football because it’s shady
@@demoman1596sh it is. It more likely then not is my point the Cowboys have had 5 attempts for 2 point conversions against them this year 0 have succeeded the lions are 50% for 2 point conversions converted this year how can you assume. You can’t award points on a hypothetical. I have said countless times I wish they would have not penalized your team and just did a redo on downs. You will not find a cowboys fan that doesn’t want Roger Goodell gone. We all want AI to do the reffing we don’t trust or like the refs either. We are always most penalized team and these calls never go our way. This is why you are getting so many ppl defending it is because we are always getting screwed and this wasn’t the refs trying to help us. The 5 yard penalty was probably more to do with they don’t admit fault. Plus bro yall should have just kicked it and ran into overtime. Seriously coach needs some blame in that loss it’s weird you think you should be handed points that would’ve cheated the Cowboys. I don’t ride with cheating ever. But this wasn’t that
@@JP-sm1dc I don't really think anybody is saying that you can award points based on a hypothetical. Here again, you seem a little bit to be confusing what you imagine people think with what they actually think, though I think I understand why. What I'm saying is that the referee made a mistake that he shouldn't have made and that there should be a way to fix it, preferably *before* any plays are ever run in the future so that your concern about points being "based on a hypothetical" doesn't actually arise in the first place.
The flexed arm Skipper is motioning is not intended for the referee. His gesture is intended as a communication to his teammates to acknowledge that we are shifting into a "heavy" or "strong" formation. Skipper's hand signal lets his teammates know who he is being subbed in for. Notice how the same hand signal was used by Skipper in both of your examples and how Kalif simultaneously removes himself from the huddle in both examples.
From 3:15 to 3:32 watch as Decker walks toward Allen, while Allen is looking at him. Look at what 68 does with his right arm as he walks toward the ref. Would you agree his raised right arm that is touching his jersey number is signaling to the ref that he is "hot"?
@@markalman649 I don't know he could have brushed his hair and got some of black stuff off his face. 😮
I was at the game , all the announcer said over the sound system was that number 70 was an eligible receiver.....
And some people are saying that was added to the Spanish broadcast and radio broadcast 😂😂😂😂
No one is debating that. The ref screwed up who reported as eligible. The ref assumed it was #70 again, when #70 never verbalized he was eligible on the play.
@@NickWitthaus He did though! he was rubbing his chest and had his hand up in the air like he had done in previous plays, where he placed himself eligible!
@@chaps1444 Verbalized means saying something by voice to the ref which is the second part of the requirements to be eligible. You cannot make yourself eligible by hand signal alone.
@@NickWitthaus Agree to disagree! The referee didn't screw up, the lions screwed up , Lions were trying to pull a slick one on the cowboys and it didn't work!
2:25 When you freeze the replay of Skipper running in, he's signalling for #11 to leave the huddle & go to the sideline so they don't get a 12-men in huddle penalty, and also communicating with #8, not addressing Allen at all. In this same freeze-frame, Decker is leaving the huddle directly toward Allen, and he DOES have his hand/arm across the front of his uniform.
1:13 Skipper does the exact same thing to signal #8 to leave the huddle and go to the sideline so they don't get a 12-men huddle penalty. He was eligible then.
but the Ref reported to the Cowboys that 70 was the eligible one. And its announced over the loudspeakers in the FREAKING STADIUM. So if Dumb Campbell was paying attention, he should have corrected the Ref to say it was 68 eligible, not 70. Campbell tried to cheat and fool both the Refs and Cowboys and he ended up shooting himself in his little dick.
Dan Campbell admitted they were being sneaky to try and trick the cowboys. Quit making up random stories.
true, and they FULLY alerted the officiating team about the play before the game@@andrew348
then why does 70 run towards the ref? He is reporting, hand up and hand on chest.
There’s a angle of video where decker is doing the signal. Go through the tapes before you just release something. Decker does to do it actually exactly when you freeze frame apparently skipper doing it.. watch back through the tapes
Exactly. I wonder why the presenter didn't provide the best angle which shows Decker clearly communicating with the ref. The ref looks right at him and nods before running over to the Cowboys.
What a joke, Lions got screwed there and so many other times. The NFL has no real integrity and the officials are horrible, despite the fact that they have more tools than ever before to go back and double check things and avoid literally giving the game to another team in the last seconds of a game.
The Lions are 0 and 6 when Brad Allen has a whistle in his pie-hole and on the same field. Brady knew what he was doing.
Bruh watch the damn video and take your feelings out of it…we all got a chance to learn something very important in the game of football and you selfishly ignored it…and accused the ref of cheating…when the whole time if anyone tried to “cheat” it was the lions… 😂
dude, the refs made the right call, let it be.
@@SHOWTYMEslimx Because I say so !!!!
@@Keeferboy 😂 😂
the refs objectively did NOT make the right call. Either, neither 68 nor 70 properly reported eligible or the refs messed up the number when 68 reported. Regardless, 70 did not properly report and should not have been announced.@@nickc8819
And why did it take over 30 seconds to throw the flags?
Lions tried confusing the defense but instead confused the refs. With a confusing call comes a lot of talking which is why they huddled up. This is not the first time they make a call after 30 seconds of play
what does that matter. You could never of been rewarded points for a hypothetical we would of scored even if the Cowboys where told the correct information. What kind of logic do you use in Detroit?
@@JP-sm1dc so hypothetically Dallas might have scored
Officials did such an outstanding job that the NFL broke them up.
The nfl in New York told them what they did wrong that’s why the late flags came
😂
call cover your A**
@mickpratt8327 - The man just showed and explained to you what happened and you still refused to see or except it. Well why don't you try this: The Lions ((LOST THE GAME)) because their coach tried to use some trickery and it backfired on him. Now deal with it and move on.
Officials literally called tripping on the wrong team; that's why this crew is out of the playoffs. That's why Detroit got the ball back at all.
Detroit shouldn't be doing this nonsense with the game on the line. Play stupid games..win stupid prizes.
That's why the NFL apologized and won't allow this ref crew from working any playoff games, right? Because they were correct? LOL...too funny. It's obvious #68 reported...there is no other reason for #68 to be talking to the ref.
the bogus tripping call.
phantom tripping and no holds drawn for micah lol
Counter, no holds for Hutchenson, and the Cowboys could have run out the clock after reguardless of the tripping. Cowboys coaches had garbage clock management.
@@GulNadarcool…..disregard the tripping….and let’s disregard the illegal touching controversy ….DEAL!!!….lions have to eat the L….lets move on
@@SHOWTYMEslimx Thank you for ignoring the part where none of this would have happened IF the Cowboys run the clock out?! That last sentence is important.
@@GulNadar “IF” my sister had a penis she would be my brother…I left it out because bad clock management is not illegal (it’s a problem..yes)….but are you really gonna scolded a coach going by the books to the best of his abilities vs a coach that tried to technically cheat just to win a game that’s not even really that important in grand scheme of the thing when it comes to the LIONS season????
Lets disregard the whole holding on Dallas on the Lamb 92 yd TD? @@GulNadar
Listening to this is just confirmation that you can’t trust journalists. Here’s what the NFL rule book says about reporting as an eligible receiver:
“[P]rovided that he immediately reports the change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team.
He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to each play he must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game clock shall not be stopped, and the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.”
Nothing about waving your hands or visual declarations.
My biggest problem with how the ref acted is, why is he so quick to run away from the players who are clearly trying to communicate something to him. Like how was decker supposed to report when the ref runs away the sec he gets close to him? Just take your time, get it right
Did you not listen to what the dude said from the NFL office? #70 did it correct when coming onto the field. He held his left arm up and put his right hand to his chest. Walking up to the ref and saying this is not the correct way.
Like he’s not trying to communicate with his teammates ?
No time Outs and the Play Clock is running. He has to communicate the eligible Players to the defense. The Lions really shot themselves in the foot. Only sore losers blame the refs.
Also, I bet my left testicle that Dak would have brought the Cowboys at least in Range for a 60 yarder in 23 Seconds
What on earth are you talking about? Decker literally stood right in front of the ref and still didn’t signal.
What is so hard about admitting you’re wrong? Let it go. The Lions tried to pull a fast one and failed
@@thomaswatkins3686what's hilarious you just heard how they are supposed to notify the ref that they are eligible. The coach use excuse it was loud in the stadium. This is why they have the hand signals. You people are just utterly stuck on stupid. There's a way to do things and they didn't do it
The Lions formation made Decker the only eligible down lineman.
He is eligible by number (being reported as eligible) but he isnt eligible by formation, because he is covered.
@@MrPetej00wait so you think if receivers are covered they aren't eligible anymore? The fuck game have you been watching?
That's not how the rule works but okay
@@darkhobo Yes, that is the rule, how about reading them? Receivers can't be covered, that's why you see some on the line of scrimmage and some a yard or more back. On any play there must be at least seven men on the line of scrimmage, which is typically five linemen and two receivers. Any other receiver, if they want to be eligible, must be OFF the line of scrimmage by at least one yard. I don't agree that 68 was covered. My observation is that neither 68 or 58 were covered,, making 58 being in an eligible position, and there only being six men on the line of scrimmage, both violations of the Rules. A flag should have flown the instant the play started, maybe another reason the refs aren't going to be in the playoffs.
@@darkhobo Thats precisely what the rules are! You must have at least 7 on the line and the two end players on the line must be eligible and everyone on the line in between is ineligible. You might want to look up the definition of Cover up receiver. GO ahead I'll wait...
@@retiefgregorovich810 #58 is covered by #14 (who looks on the line) making him 7 on LOS
The visual indicators were for the receiver to exit the formation flexing an arm to indicate strong or heavy not a swipe of the jersey to indicate eligibility, every other time he reported he spoke to the referee
Came here to say this. This UA-camr has no idea what they are talking about. Dan Skipper does the "eligible" motion down his torso WITH BOTH HANDS when he is standing directly in front of the white cap ref..... per...rule!
Why did he go over and talk to the ref at all? He was the last person to speak to the ref.
@derd3 The play was designed to send all potential lineman to the ref so the Dallas D couldn't tell who was reporting. He approached, but he certainly didn't get close enough to the ref to communicate reporting. Yes the ref goes to the Dallas D to say who reported, but it's up to the Dallas D at that point to communicate it properly to all of their 11 personnel which could lead to confusion on who covers who. Since Dallas had just taken a time out prior to this play, they couldn't take another one to sort out their potential confusion without taking a penalty. (Can't call back to back time outs. It's a delay of game penalty) So the Lions were hoping to catch the Dallas D in a poor communication scenario..... which they did. However, that was because the ref communicated the wrong eligible lineman to them. The ref fucked this up.
@@gregorybeemer428 I say, no, sir, that horse moved and I will kick it.
@@charlesrexford2598..... what?
Penei Sewell is covered by a receiver, so he is lined up legally. Which formation rule do you think he is violating?
Another argument is since Decker was not announced as an eligible receiver, the Cowboys didn’t cover him, which is why he was wide open for the catch in the end zone.
Had he been reported as eligible, they would have had someone on him.
There were two defenders near him. Go look again.
@stu_boogie2488 he wasn't covered goofy no one covered him and doesn't matter what 68 did anyway, that play was shot just as soon as 70 declared himself eligible he was covered up on the line which makes it an automatic illegal formation. . The lions got it all wrong not the refs
@@stu_boogie2488he was near them because he ran into the end zone. Duh
Which is why the refs screwed up in whom the reported as eligible.
@@matthewrose8002 68 didn´t make sure the referee acknowledged him as eligible, it´s on the player to make sure the ref got his message... if you look at the tape, Goff reminds him he has to go to the ref, but he never makes the hand signal. The ref saw 70 make the eligible signal and acknowledged him, then ran to the defense to let them know 70 was now eligible so the defense would have time to make proper substitutions. When the stadium PA system announced only 70 as now eligible, 68 should have gone to the ref and corrected him that he was also eligible, instead he must have thought "I´m totally stealth, not even the referee knows I´m going for the pass!" This is all on the Lions, they got to cute and it backfired on them.
You can literally see Decker rubbing his chest in the video, and you say it has to be BOTH verbal and signed… only Decker does both.
Also, you’re wrong about the formation being illegal. It’s fine.
The formation is illegal if Skipper is designated eligible, which he was. It came over the loudspeakers. Also Decker literally didn’t, unless he was wearing Dan Skippers jersey. The Lions fell into their own honeypot.
@@DonovanFlamingusIII if Skipper goes out for a pass he is illegal. By alignment he starts at RT, THEN Sewell who was ligned up in the slot in a two point stance, motions onto the line in a three point stance which he's legally able to do. How do you think jumbo formations work?! They have been around forever.
@@GulNadar yes, but the problem is Dan Skipper was designated eligible pre snap, then gets covered up by Sewell, which then makes him ineligible. Decker, as far as the refs were concerned, was never listed as eligible. I’m aware of how jumbo packages work, but the order of events is the problem here.
I have a couple of questions regarding your video. I apologize if these questions have already been asked.
The official was walking away before #70 even had a chance to talk to him, however it is stated that the player must visually and verbally report to the official. Therefore, according to that neither of the players correctly reported.
Also, is it an illegal formation if the official called the correct number?
It WOULD be an illegal formation IF 70 had reported. If 68 had reported, it would be a LEGAL formation. The Lions send 68 over to the ref, lined him up as eligible, and threw him the ball. 70 did not talk to the ref, did not line up as eligible, and did not go out for a pass. The idea that it's "also" an illegal formation in addition to illegal touching is really a moot point. If 68 is eligible, it's NEITHER illegal touching nor illegal formation. If 70 is eligible, it's both.
The ref literally said 70 reported lol
@@slimsh8073 The ref made a mistake and reported the wrong player, that's the whole point lol
@@matthewftbailey NO he didn't, watch the dang video. He raises his hand, rubs his number like every time he reported during the game and he runs straight to the ref to report. Just watch the video. Good grief. Its right there on video to see
Maybe you should have recorded the training video that was sent out to all teams with the memo because your video described the process a LOT more clearly than the official NFL video.
You can hear the ref tell #70 eligible over the loud speaker i hear it.......
Ref announced the wrong player.
Besides, Decker was uncovered and eligible. It WAS a planned play period.
Exactly
Too bad he didn’t report correctly and consequently wasn’t declared eligible.
@@kabob21 yea, the Ref walked away during the conversation...watch the replay...they were still talking as to he ref walked away...no, the ref DID NOT Announce ANY eligible receiver, the ref failed to acknowledge ANY eligible receiver...PERIOD Ref failed the communication. Simple n end of story...
@@diamonddave7555 The ref clearly announced an eligible receiver not only on the mic but to the defense as per is the rule. Simple n end of story you are wrong... :)
@@kabob21ohh so a verbal check in which is most preferred don't count huh😂you cowgirls are something else you won't be in the playoff picture long your refs won't be there to help you 😂
By their own explanation it proves the ref was wrong. Skipper didn’t do what they said is needed to be recognized as eligible. He made skipper eligible with no actual reporting.
Si if the ref made the mistake and they notice only 70 was reported as eligible. Why wouldn’t they correct the ref? They let the play run with that awful mistake. It’s their fault.
The video sent to all 32 teams by the league shows something different. Only Skipper, as he was coming on the field, gave the correct visual cues to signal eligibility at 23 seconds remaining. Raised hand/arm and rubbing his belly. Decker did NOT do this. Decker briefly puts his hand to his chest and then drops it. That is not the correct visual cues for reporting eligible.
But there is no reason for Skipper to be signaling at all on that play if Decker was to be the one claiming eligibility. Two men can't report, as Campbell was told afterward. What you had was THREE players approaching a referee with only ONE presenting the correct visual cues to report eligible...Skipper. Who do you think the referee is trained to acknowledge?
As the league video states...the responsibility for accurately reporting eligible rests ENTIRELY on the player and the team. Not the referee or the league.
#70 was the only one that gave the hand sign which the rules state must happen. The other two did even bother doing that. The ref made the right decision. Number 68 and 58 went up their like idiots not knowing what they were supposed to do. Thats not the refs fault thats the Lions fault.
Says Decker doesn't signal eligible by rubbing his stomach while paused on a frame of Decker signaling eligible by rubbing his stomach....
Yeah idiot, but Skipper did the same thing and he did it before Decker did. Once you report as eligible, you cannot change to another eligible guy. That is considered deception and is in the rulebook.
BOTTOM LINE...when the ref mistakenly tells the DEFENSE that 70 is reporting...the OFFENSE is required to correct the ref before the play runs...PERIOD. Everything about the who reported and when all is a mute point.😭
they dont have timeouts to tell them. Its completely the refs fault for running from the players before they could get it right
Let the ref throw a flag for delay… and petition the flag.
LOL. Dude. Please.
It's also loud. Are you absolutely sure they heard him? It wasn't on the "original" broadcast
It's the Refs responsibility to get it right. Also, this ref didn't even show up to the pre-game meeting where they discuss trick plays just like this.
Answer this... if the ref isn't responsible then why did he get removed from doing any playoff games? right after this happened??? 😂
Maybe if Brad Allen had made the pre-game meeting he would have been better at his job.
Maybe its time to have a better way for the coach to pass this info along from the booth people.
Funny cause the coach did go over the whole play with the officials before the game they knew now they trying to cover up there mistake anything for Dallas to win that night on Jimmy's ceremony night and to keep them undefeated at home it's simple to understand what happened
@@swdetroitsfinest4628 stay mad that the Lions tried to confuse the Cowboys and failed miserably, and now the Cowboys are gonna win the division L
I guess Brad didn't show up only the other refs.@@swdetroitsfinest4628
Deception has its place in football, but not in a situation like this. The rules already tilt pretty heavily in favor of the offense; the defense should at least clearly know who is eligible to catch a pass. The Cowboys likely would have defended the play differently if they had known #68 was eligible.
Because the NFL makes rules ask they go long because they think they can bullshit the people my opinion
#70 effed up.Take responsibility Dan.
Deception occurs on almost every play. Defenses as well as offenses try to deceive. Do you really think every Cowboy heard the announcement and focused on 70 being eligible? Do these type of plays work regularly? Yes, they certainly do.
It was a great play call using deception. Without deception, the play doesn’t work. There has been tons of these plays in the past. The ref messed up and can’t admit it!
@@Macattack11639that’s why the formation is illegal, to try and eliminate deception because that would be cheating
There looks like some level of deception by the Lions. I don't know if Lions had a timeout, but when you hear the wrong eligible number announced, call a timeout.
They did not have one
A team shouldn't be forced to spend their resources because of a screw up by an official, especially when they did everything right and it's 100% the official's fault.
@@heyniles What did the official do wrong? Is there proof of #68 reporting, because we literally just saw #70 report the legal way and two players can't report at the same time...
@@TheAngryToilet84 on the freeze frame, 68 has his hand on his torso touching his number, while the ref is looking at him; 70 is coming on signaling to one of the other lineman to come off (no visible angle on his torso).
If anything, we have more visual evidence of 68 reporting than 70.
They didn't have to call a timeout. All they had to do is go back to the ref. But 68 didn't do his job. Plan and simple
Dude skipper looks like he's snapping his chinstrap on his helmet as he's running on the field. Skupper only had 2 snap counts in the game, not multiple snap counts as Brad Allen claims. The example in the beginning with Dan Skipper reporting as eligible in a jumbo set, and running in as deception on the 2pt conversion debauchery. Decker is right in front of the ref. The ref is clearly not stopping to pay attention to who is actually reporting when he KNOWS that that trick play is probably being used as this was discussed, and drawn up for Brad Allen pregame by MCDC. The ONLY way to put this to rest is to play the audio and have an opposite angle of the exchange between Decker and Allen.
This gaslighting is absolutely ridiculous
First. Allen wasn't at this meeting. Second. It's not the job of the refs to help you orchestrate or pull off a ruse that is designed to trick the defense. Two men can't report, as was told to Campbell after the game. There is no reason for Skipper to be giving all the established visual signals for eligibility unless he is deliberately attempting to deceive. It should only have been Decker reporting "properly" (with clear and established visual signals) to the referee...not BOTH. That is where they fkd up.
@@vrusimov First, Allen's crew were at the meeting, not Allen. Anything in the meeting should be reported to the head ref (Allen) by crew members. That's besides the point. MCDC took Allen personally aside and explained, drew out and had shown the trick play that they had in their back pocket for possibilities as these.
An "expert" ref DID say that two people CAN report on one of the sports network. MCDC was told two people cannot. However I do not know the rule.
It IS the responsibility of the ref to get the proper number for eligibility, however, there's procedures that need to be done as a player.
I'm sorry, but I think that Decker was right in front of the ref, Sewell was deception and Skipper shouldn't Even be in question as he's running towards Decker and Sewell.
I believe if Skipper just went to the huddle, we wouldn't have this problem. Simple "in the moment" mistake by ref. Did this lose the game? Nope, MCDC didn't tie it up. There's a possible chance Dallas could still put away the game with 24-26 seconds left on the clock... we'll never know.
I just personally don't like gaslighting from people trying to cover for the NFL. This was still an egregious mistake by Allen when he HAD the time to slow down, process the situation and execute.
Thank you. 100% agreement. Brad Allen needs to be investigated. Fix was in
It doesn’t matter now, the Lions are still in it after their win over the LA Rams on Sunday, and the Dallas Cowboys are out. The Lions are playing the Buccaneers this Sunday, it’s time to move on.
Of course, the league is going to say something like this. They're going to try their best to cover their ass. I do NOT care what the league has to say. They make up whatever they need to in order to make things appear legit. They did it with the Calvin Johnson rule. They did it when the refs picked up the DPI flag in Dallas in 2014. They're so full of shit.
The league and Brad Allen are saying that Decker, Skipper, Goff and Dan Campbell are all liars. Of course, the video THEY are showing makes it APPEAR to back up whatever they're saying. From a different angle you can, CLEARLY, see Brad Allen reacting to something coming from Decker and nods at him. Decker, says ON camera in his postgame that he reported. Skipper, ON camera in his postgame says he didn't say a word to anyone. Goff, ON camera in his postgame says he told Decker to report (which video backs up) and that he did report. So, according to the league, only Brad Allen is blameless here. It takes you THAT long to throw the flag? Was your earpiece squawking so loudly from upstairs to call SOMETHING that you figured you'd better do SOMETHING, Brad?
Of course, when they convered the 2pts. I went nuts celebrating but not once did my eyes leave the TV screen because I've seen this show before. Then when that flag came out I closed my eyes and quietly said "of course". Pissed? That would be the understatement of a lifetime. Surprised? No, not really, because I've watched this team for nearly 60 years and if there's a way something can go wrong... well, we all saw it.
Yeah, after the "failed" conversion, in my opinion, we should've simply kicked the extra point and taken our chances in OT, especially after your offense just drove 90 yards in roughly 90 seconds, but the bottom line is that the Lions shouldn't have had to run another play. Period.
The league and Goodell can take their "explanation" and launch it to the dark side of the moon, because they're full of shit and they know it.
Yeah it's always made up when it benefits cowboys the minute it doesn't everybody rdy to say cowboys suck they choked, that's why yall mad. You can't say that 😂😂😂
I heard that the League read your explanation and they're going to have the teams meet on Thursday morning to run the play again and give DET the win.
This is one of the best explanations of that call yet. Now all you have to do is explain to the cowgirl fans the “What about the phantom tripping call?”
Lmao get your facts right in 14 Dez caught a ball that they said wasn't a catch. So no that was Dallas getting screwed that year my friend.
The biggest issue here is that they called the flag like 2 minutes later
It still falls on the official. So if Skipper did that and Decker told him that he was eligible wouldn't you think that the referee would say to Decker "wait a minute are you reporting as eligible or is Skipper because he is giving me the signal"
Decker was not giving a signal he is reporting as eligible
No cause 2 can report as eligible so both skipper and decker could had been Eligible
@@Drumbsticks That's why I don't know why they were trying to use deception when the ref has to alert the defense the eligible receiver.
@@Drumbsticks There's actually another foul on the play as well. Even though #70 is eligible he lined up ineligible and was covered by #58.
@@melindaalvarez263 58 who tried to act like he was eligible.
You didn't mention that Dan Campbell told the officials before the game started that they would be doing this.... So the officials knew beforehand this was going to happen and still fucked it up....
But they hadn't done it previously in the game so how would the refs know this time was different?
Dan Campbell admitted he heard on the loudspeaker twice that 70 was eligible in yesterday's press conference but he did not have a timeout to change it to 68. So, he went with it and he screwed himself/ lions trying to be slick.
No the official they screwed up so don’t cover for them
Because Dan camble Told the before the game that 68 is aligabl
You can defend the Refs all you want, cast blame on the Lions, but I am willing to bet my life that if the Cowboys, 49ers, Chiefs, or any other of the NFL darling teams did the exact same thing, there would have been no penalty, and if their was one, they would have picked up the flag and came up with some other excuse....Lions, Browns, Panthers, etc are not ever getting a call their way or the benefit of the doubt....
Did he mention number 68
So if you have to do both, on that 2PT play, #70 gave the visual indication but never the verbal so why was he reported as an eligible receiver? It appears like neither one did both.
Decker had a conversation with the official who he standing right in front of, what do you think the conversation was about if he wasn't reporting?
&0 went straight to the ref lol what do you think he was saying to him? He reported just like he had done all game long
Decker touched his Jersey
Hand up ?
So did Skipper
@@dogger37JC What exact words did Skipper say to the ref on that play?
@@NickWitthaus Probably nothing. But we don’t know. Same as Decker. He may have said he’s reporting but it might have been as quick and discreet as how he touched his chest. They tried so hard to be deceptive and it backfired.
Stop it. Refs are rarely looking at players who are running on the field. So the question here is which one holds more weight? The visual cue while running, or decker literally going up the Allen’s FACE and TELLING him that he is the eligible reviewer. The lions didn’t hear what brad Allen said to Dallas.. Jesus Christ. The ref fucked up and the nfl will do anything to try and save face like they always do.
Bro I’m a giants fan and even when we WON last year based on that BS no PI call in the last play against Washington I was mad because it’s an embarrassing way to win and doesn’t feel good at all. The refs suck point blank
It doesn’t matter. You have to do BOTH. Yea they made a mistake announcing the wrong number, but the lions should have corrected the ref or made sure 68 was actually eligible. YOU HABE TO DO BOTH THING TO MAKE YOURSELF ELIGIBLE. What’s so hard to understand? There is a procedure for all these plays man, if a player fucks up that on him not the ref. They are looking for certain things on the field.
Just because you dont like the outcome doesn't change reality. lol the lions screwed up PERIOD
It all comes down to who reported. It was a planned play and Decker reported. The play was even explained to the officials pre-game. The ref screwed up and the NFL refuses to admit it.
You realize you are arguing over 5 yards not 2 points right?
I don't understand why the NFL always tries to cover for the refs blatant mistakes, how many new rules have been made because of bad calls against Detroit. Calvin Johnson rule and now this must report to two officials.
Yeah wrong again now they have to report to the side judge and then the head ref@@Drumbsticks
If the refs were right why did they change the rule, now you have to report to the side judge on your way to reporting to the lead official only one reason they F'ed up.
Zero chance the Lions were confused they gave it to the refs before the game in writing.
I do not claim to know the rules and hand motions required for reporting, but this video needs to get trending if everything you are claiming is accurate. I totally agree with you that 70 made the hand motions and 68 did not. Everyone is screaming 68 reported but I saw exactly what you described. WELL DONE
After watching Gene Steratore's explanation of the procedures and understanding how the reporting works, it is VERY clear the LIONS screwed up because even if that whole video evidence were to show that Decker reported to the ref, the ref then was required to announce to the defense which number was reported and he told them 70 reported from what we are being told. The LIONS should have then corrected the ref at that point before the play ran but they didnt because they knew it would give the play away at that point. They wanted to COWBOYS to think 70 was the one reported.
I don’t either but in the past 3 days some ex NFL o linemen have said this exact thing about the gestures and how it’s not totally verbal. I’m very curious if the UA-cam channel The Oline Committee which is great and has 2 ex NFL o linemen discuss this. Highly recommend that channel if you haven’t seen it.
So 68 went over to the official at talk about what's he was going to be baving for dinner? This video is ridiculous. We all saw what we saw. Explain ot away till your hearts content, doesn't matter. The refs screwed up.
Learn the rules b4 u form an opinion.. that’s all ima say
I DID read the rule book, verbal is preferred, rubbing the numbers is acceptable, but you do NOT have to do both!
from what i've seen in interviews with former players, it seems you have the choice of doing either a chest rub OR verbally telling the official you are reporting. perhaps that is not what the rules specifically say but maybe the officials have been accepting verbal only reporting?
Dean Blandino also said in an interview that the stadium announcement of who is eligible can be difficult to hear at field level, especially when the crowd is going crazy.
it was very clear.
And yet, this video and audio evidence ON THE FIELD demonstrate that it was clearly heard, and Goff has even acknowledged he heard it announced.
Decker has his hand on his stomach when he started walking up to the ref. Pay attention people.
The point that is missed here (no pun intended) is that regardless of who’s at fault, the play could not stand because the defense was given the wrong information about who was elegible, as evidence of #68 being left uncovered. Therefore the down would have to be replayed, which it eventually was after the off sides penalty was assesed
Even if the info had been relayed to the Dallas defense they still may not have stopped him from catching the ball. We just dont know. All we know is that the officiating was goofy there. It was a game played in Dallas on Jimmy Johnson's ROH celebration and Jerry wouldn't have an embarassing loss that night LOL
"You don't see at all Decker rub his belly" as he's literally rubbing his belly for the second time in the clip
No I see him touch his chest with his right arm briefly right as he leaves the huddle and then drop his arm down. He never touches or gestures again as he approaches Brad Allen. Skipper on the other hand is running towards them left arm raised and right arm rubbing his chest.
He is not giving the correct, established visual signals for eligibility. Skipper is doing so at the exact same time. Regardless of this, two men can't report as eligible, as was told to Campbell after the game by league officials. And that was exactly the attempt shown in this video, with only Skipper giving the established, correct visual signals. If he isn't supposed to be claiming eligibility then WHY IS HE GIVING THE ESTABLISHED SIGNALS as he runs onto the field???
The Lions fucked this up and they've been trying to cover their backsides ever since. Two men can't report. Skipper was raging that he didn't, when in fact, the video shows exactly the opposite.
How TF do you not see at 2:37 that Decker is line of sight of the ref touching his jersey the way he's supposed to. From that angle the ref would have to have amazing preferial vision to see Dan Skipper running in. You'er making some HUGE assumptions when visual evidence for where the referee is looking conterdicts your statements. Until the audio of the game is released and I doubt the NFL will the two players directly in front of the referee with one of them making the proper gesture is the only thing that makes logical sense without the referee somehow not paying attention to what's exactly in front of him and without looking is drastically more interested in a guy running in from his blind side.
By alignement where Dan Skipper lines up he can not be an elegible receiver. That wasn't called, and they didn't throw multiple flags or indicate multiple penalties. Dan Skipper didn't go out for a pass, so focusing on him IN the play wasted time. Sewell specifically CAN do what he did because he starts the formation off the line in a two point stance, THEN he motions and CAN be in a three point stance. ASRB is in his correct spot on the line to make it legal.
When is it "cute" to have one of the TEAM CAPTIANS talking to the referee about a trick play? It's "cute" to have the player the play is designed for talk to the referee?
Thank you for not explaining that Decker was in a proper alignement with the WR on his side. Or showing that by design the WR on Decker's side is specifically ment to run a route to rub the defender that should be covering Decker, which the WR does.
It's a very good play design and you didn't talk about the half of the play that worked as intended.
At 2:37 he isn't doing what Skipper is doing, which is the correct, established visual signaling for eligibility. If Decker is going to be claiming eligibility then why is Skipper running onto the field doing the exact same thing simultaneously? Two men can't report. They deliberately tried to confuse Allen it seems, who reportedly wasn't at the meeting with Campbell before the game. And again, it's not the refs job to help one team try to confuse another in an orchestrated scheme.
@@vrusimov Can the referee see Skipper from that angle? Sure looks like a no.
Everything works fine and is legal if the referee just did his job and properly reported what was in front of him. The only thing about Skipper is the referee was incorrect in calling his number. Skipper rubbing his belly doing cartwheels doesn't matter if the referee doesn't see it.
The audio will 100% end all of this.
Allen should have been at the meeting. It's his job to give equal time to both teams pregame.
💯 agreement. Well said
It's a botched call. Every expert said Brad Allen screwed up. Ex professional players and coaches. What are your credentials?
If you watch the video #68 did rub his belly and the official was looking right at him. I'm sorry but the official made the mistake. He assumed # 70 was reporting because he had done it several times in the game. I am not a Lions or Cowboy fan. I'm blaming the official on this one.
Then why the fk is everyone crying about it when you can clearly see that 70 fkd up
Because people like to play the victim especially if they’re Lions fans
No, clearly Decker walked right up to the ref and invited him to dinner. WTF you you think he was doing??? The ref nodded right at him. This wasn't "too cute", the refs were briefed prior to the damn game that this was going to happen. Piss poor analysis.
Exactly! Hate the attempt to justify that the ref botched the entire play
Apparently he was doing the same thing that 58 was doing who was approaching the ref and NOT reporting. If you assume that Decker was reporting just because he approached the ref, then you've got to assume the same thing about #58. Neither of these guys were raising their hands and swiping their numbers. Skipper very obviously was. It was a trick played that was not well executed. The announcement to the entire stadium that Skipper was eligible with no mention of Decker was further evidence that they didn't connect with Brad Allen and that Decker was ineligible.
I call BS because Skipper never reported as per nfl guidelines:
"It is the responsibility of the player to be sure that change in status is clearly communicated to the referee by both a physical signal, with his hands up and down in front of his chest, and to report to the referee his intention to report as an eligible receiver,"-NFL senior vice president Walt Anderson.
😂🤣😂 did this guy not actuality watch the video?
Go back to when the video circles 70 running on to the field. Instead of getting tricked by the big yellow circle, look at the ref and 68 coming out of the huddle.
1. 70 never gave the signal, only raised his hand to let his teammates know who needs to come out.
2. 68 gives the signal while Allen is looking right at him. In fact, the exact moment that you pause it, you catch 68 rubbing the front of his jersey while ref is looking at him.
3. 68 was pointing to himself and talking to ref as the ref is nodding his head. Ref just assumed the number and fcked up.
4. I was in the stadium and didn't hear the announcement. No one did. Guarantee they couldn't hear it on the field.
5. If they knew the whole time that 70 was eligible, why didn't they call illegal formation right away? Why did it take a full minute for a flag to come out?
The bottom line is the players did everything right, ref fcked up and assumed, and then tried to pass the blame instead of taking responsibility.
💯 perfect. All facts
Everyone keeps harping on the point of Dan explaining the play before the game, but what nobody gets is explaining the play means nothing if he didn't also explain that they were going to send two extra linemen up at the same time when 68 was reporting to try and trick the defense. The fact that Campbell hasn't said he told the refs that part of the plan speaks volumes. He only says he told them 68 would be the eligible receiver, and gave them the play drawn up on a piece of paper.
Everybody does it.
It seems weird to me that coaches are discussing plays with refs in the first place
Even worse is that when Dan explains the play in his Monday conference, he actually says it wrong by saying he was hoping the Cowboys didn't hear the #70. If you can't explain your own play, how is someone else going to? The Lions and their fans have made this much to do about nothing.
I mean it's absurd to expect a referee to remember the nuances of that one play you told them about right before the game. This is all on Taylor Decker, period.
@@RuiNDieM1988 that is actually typical. Officials meet with coaches before the game specifically to make sure they are aware of any "trick plays" and ensure they are legal.
All this should be NULL AND VOID,.. because why is no one talking this much about the INCORRECT call against Dallas for TRIPPING? After the replay, it is SO obvious that it was the Lions that should have been called, therefore, Dallas would have had the ball at the 10 and either ran the clock out or kicked a field goal.. This dumb 2 pt conversion issue wouldn't even been an issue had that call been correct. Dallas wins no matter how you look at it it.. Lions just looking for an excuse..
Execpt the Cowboys could have ran the ball after the tripping call and ran out the clock. Cowboys coaches screwed up their clock management.
where you at now rex ryan and all the liars in the nfl media?
All these NfL media people pushing this false narrative where have I seen this before. Oh yeah it’s rampant in the political media
Can you post the announcement to the stadium of who the eligible player by the ref is? I’ve watched the end of the game several times and didn’t hear it.
Skipper was waving at Kalif Raymond for substitution who exited the field. At the exact time :22 (while Skipper is yellow circled) on film #68 Decker makes the two hand jersey wipe gesture to Brad Allen and moves on to verbally confirm that he is tackle-eligible. Do you think Skipper left on the sideline without the coaching staff confirming what his assignment is?
Why would the lions choose that method to signal a player to come out of the game knowing it’s an ineligible player reporting eligible to the ref .. rubbing the numbers tells which player to sub ? Do wide receivers do that with each other? Detroit wanted confusion and they got it congratulations !
The lions tried to be tricky and it backfired. Good job refs.
Its called a trick play stupid LMFOA!! Thats what being tricky is! What a dummy
Go Cowboys 🤠
That's not how it works.
@@GulNadar Dumb Campbell said thats EXACTLY what he was trying to do, trick the Cowboys defense so they'd cover the wrong guy. He must have forgot the Refs tell the defense which player reports in so they will specifically set their formation to guard ALL ELIGIBLE players.
Even tho u did say that u don't like the cowboys I respect ur honesty & yeah im be very biased 😂😂😂 im gonna like & sub bro good video
The refs screwed the Lions IMHO. He clearly checks in, the coaches told refs the play was coming, the QB points to get him to checkin and the NFL punished the REFS after a full review (slam dunk)!!
Stay off the pipe. If Cee Dee not fumbled @ the 1 yard line, we will not even be talking about this.
Regardless illegal formation should have been called
The problem with your analysis is Decker said he "told" the ref report, and in the replay aftermath you can read Skipper's lips saying "I didn't say a F'in thing" So visually by design it's suppose to look like Skipper is reporting but verbally the ref was "told" by Decker. This is why the ref was essentially fooled because he was paying attention to Skipper running on the field and probably didn't hear Decker. Coach Campbell said in the press conference 2 players can't report so it according to their plan it shouldn't have mattered if Skipper is visually trying to reporting based off his previous times because Decker already reported verbally.
So no the Brad Allen wasn't right he got fooled but he should have known better since they went over it pregame. Hence the discipline from the league.
100%.
Decker said he only said one word, one time, "Report" that's it. He didn't ensure he communicated with the Allen. Notice earlier when Skipper hunted down Allen to make sure he knew he wanted to report. Decker should've made it clear.
He literally walked up to the ref and said report how can you be more clear than that. Lol.
Not correct at all. This is a play and as you said the ref didn't even see him the first time when he never did do your sign when he actually got his attention. How would they know they got it wrong until after the play. He didn't even line up as an eligible player and the head coach did go over this play to the refs before the game. Check it
As a Dallas fan, we have been screwed over probably as much as any team. Remember the Dez Bryant catch that got ruled a catch 3 years after the playoff game? I don't recall as much whining by Cowboys fans over it.
Decker literally rubs or points to jersy number at 2:22 then again at 2:51. Stop pausing the video, and you'd see that
3:23 of your video Decker is swiping his jersey. The arm up in the air is a teammate substitution signal. Skipper never swipes his jersey. Oh, and Skipper checked in eligible exactly ONE TIME during the game according to TJ Lang.
at the 4:09 mark you have 70 circled to show he's got his hand on his jersey... but he's like 30 yards away from the ref... at this SAME EXACT MOMENT look what 68 is doing... he's walking directly toward the ref, rubbing his jersey, and THEN gets right in front of the ref and says "reporting" and touches his jersey again... Whereas, 70 never arrives to speak to the ref, before the ref walks away. Take a look! 68 did both things required (according to this video) and 70 only rubbed his jersey, but he was so far away there was no reason to even think the ref saw him.
THEN after all that, the ref saw 70 line up as a tackle and didn't think anything of it... beside getting in a ref's face, rubbing your jersey and saying "reporting" ... what is a player supposed to do? why was that ref running away as 68 was trying to communicate with him? No clock was running... no need to hurry.... the ref simply ASSUMED 70 would report and somehow ignored the player right in his face.
Here's the entire reporting rule directly from the NFL rulebook. I'll take a nap and then do my taxes while these guys point out where it says a player has to rub their belly and do a dance to report as eligible.
SECTION 3 - CHANGES IN POSITION
ARTICLE 1. REPORTING CHANGE OF POSITION
An offensive player wearing the number of an ineligible pass receiver (50-79 and 90-99) is permitted to line up in the position of an eligible pass receiver (1-49 and 80-89), and an offensive player wearing the number of an eligible pass receiver is permitted to line up in the position of an ineligible pass receiver, provided that he immediately reports the change in his eligibility status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team.
He must participate in such eligible or ineligible position as long as he is continuously in the game, but prior to each play he must again report his status to the Referee, who will inform the defensive team. The game clock shall not be stopped, and the ball shall not be put in play until the Referee takes his normal position.
Thanks for breaking this down for us. Go Lions!
Let's talk about the tripping penalty that would have ended the game. 🤷🏾♂️
@@RollinwithJon2 They don't want to talk about that, I've tried several times, they don't want to hear that
@@RollinwithJon2 yeah tripping call was wrong but still wouldn't have iced the game. Lions weren't losing that with any amount of time left.
It's clear as day when decker is walking over to the red hes wiping his Jersey as they r both looking at each other. Then he walks right up to him and says it to. These people need to watch the whole clip and not just what skipper is doing 5 feet on the field
Did he raise his hand above his head? Didn't see that. It is a two hand signal.
Never did such thing
Great Unbiased Take! Good Fact Based Clarification, But It still looked like to me, that the Ref was Purposely Ignoring the other (2) Lions O Linemen that approached him! I'm a Cowboys Fan!
You do realize that when you pause video and circle 70 making his hand sign for eligible that 68 is making the same number swipe signaling eligible. Noticing the referee isn't looking, 68 walks over and confirms verbally that he is eligible. Bad referee.
Why did the ref run off so fast if they was in his face
Because he has to do his job and report who is eligible to the defense, announce it to the stadium, and get the play started. Was he supposed to stand there and tugged each of them off?
@dogger37JC yeah the clock wasn't running that was on purpose shit rigged
@@GunsNGames248if it was rigged how come the refs called a penalty on Parsons during the second conversion attempt? That penalty gave the Lions their third chance to win the game. Lion fans are big crybabies.
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5emwell because micah jumped offsides as the ball was snapped? Is that not a penalty?
@@UmbreonDarkness69 yes it is! I was responding to some hyper angry Lions fan who said the refs rigged the game so the Cowboys would win. My point was if the game was rigged to give the Cowboys the win, the refs could have ignored the Parsons penalty and let the interception end the game.
That’s what I was explaining, but commentators have no idea what they’re talking about
The video literally still proves the ref was wrong. What? 😂😂😂
The trouble is that the audio you hear on the clip here is from a play about 4 minutes previous and not from this play.
Well, as much as I hate to admit, it seems to show why the head official thought 70 was eligible, but why wasn't the play flagged for illegal formation.
I think there were? Two flags were thrown on the play and the Referee may have just announced the accepted penalty.
there was, dallas chose illegal touching to be enforced
It's not an illegal formation. There were 7 guys in the line. And 5 in a row over the ball. Thats what a legal formation is. The other players can be anywhere but on the line.
Decker was lined up at TE. But it looked like he was lined up at LT. That was the whole point of the play. You think the lineman is a lineman but nope he runs a route.
As long as there's 7 guys on the line it's legal.
@@darkhobo How can you say there were seven on the line when all three of the receivers were one yard or more OFF the line of scrimmage? Only a Lion's fan would look at the right outside receiver and say he was on the line when he was only a few inches closer than the left outside receiver who Lions fans rightfully say didn't cover up 68. To be on the line, you have to be on the line, not a yard away from it. Look at the last 2 pt attempt and you will see two receivers properly on the line of scrimmage. There were multiple reasons to call illegal formation on that first 2 pt attempt and the fact that the refs didn't immediately throw a flag is one reason they won't be refs in the playoffs. The bogus tripping call another reason.
Wrong. An ineligible can’t be uncovered on the end of the line.
Anything to not admitted they were wrong.
They got the 2pt Conversion call RIGHT; however, they screwed up on the botched Tripping Call as well as a few other crucial screw-ups earlier in the game... smh!
They were so right they dubbed the stadium announcement over the Telemundo broadcast but forgot to do the English broadcast 😅😅
I like how your thumbnail shows 2 players, neither which are #70.
If they were rigging it then they wouldn't have called a bogus tripping call the dallas drive before when dallas got the 1st down and Detroit only had 1 timeout left and the game is over. Nice try though
My understanding is that more than one person can report as eligible, so it doesn't even matter if 70 reported, 68 can report also. The ref was in a hurry and made a mistake plain and simple.
Watch the video again. Even if both reported, 70 was in an ineligible position, so illegal formation.
Then #70 and #68 should be declared eligible but once #70 runs on the field making the "I'm eligible" gesture he should be made eligible, making the refs an active participant in Detroit's subterfuge is cheating. If the Detroit wants to have linemen loiter around the ref, fine but if any of them make the I'm eligible gesture then they are eligible end of discussion. Detroit also lined #70 up at RT which is an ineligible position making their formation illegal an eligible player can't line up in an ineligible position.
only 1 can be eligible
Maybe Skipper was telling Decker that he needs to report. Anyone can speculate what happened. And if 70 reported why didn't they throw an illegal formation penalty?
Skipper was signaling to the offense that it was going to be a jumbo or heavy package. He wasn't signaling to be eligible on the play