I don’t get it... these test cars run a 13.9 @104...... and my stock 2000 ws6 runs a 13.1 -13.4 @ 104- 106 depending on elevation ..... bad drivers ???
I remember back in '99 I would get off work at 2am and stop by Art Moran Pontiac dealership in Southfield Michigan on my way home to look at their lot full of those WS6's including 3 of these...those was the days
I wish Pontiac existed now. Was my favorite GM brand. Of course Pontiac might be better off dead since there really is no difference between GM brands any more. Chevy and Cadillac are the same cars with different badging/body panels.
They would have ruined the firebird just like they did to the Camaro. Atleast the WS6 died at its peak. My 60k mile 6 speed WS6 was fast stock and it didnt take much to get it into a 10.8@127mph and I still daily drive it. Bought it box stock in 2012 with 33k miles on it.
@Darius World you might have been able to order a trans am in 1968 but it would have been a 1969 year model. The show you are commenting under shows a 1999 Trans Am as the 30th anniversary edition. 1969 was the first year for the Trans Am option on a firebird.
@@jonathanhudson4623 sorry, but EPIC facepalm. The Firebird 400, the Sprint, and base model came out in '67. Chevy also forced Pontiac to ditch their "Corvette Killer" that year. The '67 400 had a Ram Air hood and 325 Hp from the factory. A good dealer would tell you how to remove the clip that kept the secondaries from opening and it then produced 370 HP. It had a superior suspension to the Camaro including 2 adjustable torsion bars from the factory so you could set it up to go from Drag, Road course or oval track. It also came with a Tack Sweep. The Sprint's were available with side scoops and a 300 hp overhead cam inline 6. The Trans Am came out in 1969. I owned a 67 400 car in 86.
@@robertfitzgerald2061 yeah, I guess I was misremembering. The birds apparently were around in 67 and the T/A came out in 69. Hence the T/A having its 30 Anniversary in 99. I always remember reading about Pontiac not bringing out an f-body until 69 after the success of the Camaro that started in 67. All of a sudden I started seeing people talking about 67 and 68 firebirds and it didn't make any sense to me. I guess everything I had seen was talking specifically about the TransAm. It still seems very odd to me that after being a firebird guy for 18 years and build two 10 second streetable birds (89 WS6 formula firebird and 02 WS6 TransAm) I still never saw or heard anyone talk about a 67 or 68 firebird. Every firebird (not TransAm) I had seen or heard of was a 69 as the first year model.
I had an opportunity to buy one of them. I passed. It was in beautiful shape. I wound up getting a CETA.. They're both awesome! "Still a little unsure if I should have picked that one up".
I'm actually glad they killed the T/A at its peak instead of butchering it like they did with the 5th gen camaros. I own a 60k mile 02 WS6 6 speed that I daily drive. I know I don't drive much.
trans-am has always been my favorite car, remember the first time i seen one, i was a kid and had no idea why that car had a bird on the hood..lol was love at first site. have owned many, but in 2000 i bought the best one, black WS6.
What do you mean? They had no peers. Their competition, which was virtually just the Mustang GT (unless you count Camaro which was the same car) only had 260 horsepower, and a 0-60 and 1/4 roughly half a sec slower.
@jlee161 yup I remember reading that the CONVERTIBLE was governed at 163mph crazy and the ss only did 160mph also the cobra only did 145 if I remember right
These cars always got underrated. I had an 02 Z28 LS1 and it was rated at 335HP but it had 352HP bone stock. Not a big difference, but look what Dodge did with the Demon rating; grossly overrated it.
I owned a 1989 TA with a special ordered 350 and it was NOT the GTA model. It was all black, black factory wheels, and black interior! I loved all the huge amber gauge displays at night, like I was in a fighter cockpit! It's funny though how they say it's a throw back to the '69 model but with the new technology nobody in '69 would have imagined - funny because my huge, fat, 4-door family sedan (2014 Ford Taurus SHO) would beat this car in stock form, both 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile! I could use the same phrase they used, technology today they wouldn't have imagined in '99.
I don't understand why did Pontiac go out of business anyway if they were so great the Trans Am was an amazing car when I was in school in 1997 my mom drove a 1997 Trans Am reddish colored hardtop very nice car bit low to the ground but very nice car
None of these guys can drag race ! My 2000 WS6 ran a 13:35 at 107 mph when it had only 1500 miles on it. They run faster times after they fully break in. I sold it in 2002. I wish I had kept it. Now I have a '71 Trans Am and a 2000 Camaro Z28.
Hate to break it to you, but "0.87 g in the corner" isn't great. Even the mid 90s mundane saloon with active suspension, the Citroen Xantia Activa could manage 0.94g. The 80s Ferrari F40 could manage over 1g. I'm sure it's a fun car to drive, but there's a reason these things didn't sell outside of the US.
I just picked up a black 2002 WS6 with a 6 speed about 6 months ago and I'm planning on doing a head and cam swap and tune to bring the HP to the 500 range. But first things first I will be installing a monster clutch and a rear end build up with 410 gears. It's no slouch now but I want to make the 5.7 LS1 something that will really put the new mustangs in their place. I've always loved the T/A's my brother had a 78 Macho T/A.
denisrvandal I been wanting one since they came out. I'm saving for one now. I also want to beef it up too. Do you know of any go shops to work on it? How much do you think the up grades you listed would cost? thanks
denisrvandal Go with 3.73s the 4.10 are engine killers in the Ls1. Put on a Ls6 intake or LsX if you can still buy one. My 2000 Ws6 wokeup a lot when I changed out the intake. To me it was the biggest gains for the price.
Khartric not all, early in those years they came with Ls1 intakes. When gm started running low they started using Ls6. They also don't have EGRs, cams are alittle smaller in the 01-02 compared to 98-00 cars. They gave and took from each year lol.
Ryan C 4.10s are engine killers? How? Lol my 99 ws6 6 speed has 4.10s and I think they're great, aside from the fact that my first gear is basically useless on street tires lol, still cruises 75-80 at like 2000 rpm and gets 24-25 highway mpg so idk what you mean lol
@@markbrinton6790 Yeah one of my best friends had a T-Type and several GNs and got so sick of them spending half the time over at Harpers Racing down here with tuning issues (it was always something) that he finally got out of them and bought an '03 Cobra brand new. Drove it like he stole it for 150k miles and it never missed a beat and he still eventually sold it for good money when he got a newer Mustang. Don't get me wrong I love those cars but besides competitive acceleration (the turbo T/As were awesome at the time) I think the newer car is (obviously) much better all around in pretty much every other aspect. Again I was referring to tuning issues, because in fairness he beat the living shit out of his first T-Type and it was bulletproof and it was still seen around town running for many years after he sold it.
My box stock 02 ws6 6 speed with cooper street tires and a terrible 60' ran 12.8s spinning terribly. Making 1st basically useless and started to get some traction in secind but would still spin some in 3rd as well. I'm almost 100% positive it ran 12.8@112mph my first night out at Darlington with her. I modded it up quick due to a very bleak health situation. I'm still here though and it's been 5 years but with out changing the engine it's been sitting at 10.8s@127mph for years on stock suspension, clutch, trans, rear end, and engine. All the work I did was headers back and intake forward and a 125 shot after I hit 2nd gear. I still launch weak 2.0 60ft to keep the rear alive. The rear does have a t/a girdle and I'm running drag radials now. I actually installed the hooker long tubes and catless y-pipe 3 days after having part of my pancreas taken out and all of my spleen removed. I had staples from my ribs to my waist holding my stomach shut. Car was in jack stands and it was 95 outside. I installed the nitrous and did all the free mids with blood poisoning a few weeks later.
@@robsretroreviews5598 Ford paid them to not tell people that the ls1 was 3 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile and still got 24mpg with 6 speed. The Ford mustang of the 90s and early 2000s were slow junk. They waited for the f-body ls1 car to be discontinued before they released the 03 cobra because they didnt want to see exhaust only ls1 cars beating the ass fuzz off their 8-9 psi of blower boosted 4.6 mustangs. People talk alot of crap about how great the 03 cobra was but it was junk. Exhaust and nitrous on an LS1 and a supercharged cobra may as well not even show up at the track. If the 4.6 can have a 50+% increase in power from a blower, why cant an ls1 spray a 125? Its not even close to a 50% increase. Most stock LS1s could out run the blower cobra anyway, sucking its own air. The 125 shot would just be a slaughter.
Yet the Mandela effect is showing there were production released 1967 and 1968 firebirds/TransAm. I know damn well the Camaro came out in 1967 but the firebird didnt come out until 1969. I'm not shitting you, look up the 1967 or 1968 firebird. I've always been a firebird guy. I've got an 89 ws6 formula that I built a full race stroker 383 for and I converted it to a t56 out of a lt1 Camaro. It started as a tpi305 and 700r4 combo. I also own a 60,000 mile ws6 T/A that runs 10.8s@127mph. A man doesn't build two 10 second firebirds and fuck up the year that firebirds came out.
Correct the Firebird was introduced by Pontiac in 1967 but the Trans Am was not available until 1969, hence the 1999 Trans Am 30th Anniversary Edition.
Wasn't the 1997 the 30th anniversary? I had a 2002 Z28 that was a 35th anniversary. I know that's a Camaro and this is a T/A, but didn't they both appear for 1967? Maybe the T/A didn't make an appearance until 1969? And the HP is underrated. Mine had 352HP, bone stock, but it's statistics said it had 335HP.
Knew a girl who drove one of these cars, it had more nose jobs than Michael Jackson cause she kept hitting things with it. So sad.
this car is beautiful
have a a 25th anniversary convertible one owner. my dad bought it new I bought it from him but never transferred the title and will never sell it
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I had a 1996 Trans Am. It was a fun car! But my dream is to own a 1999 30th anniversary Trans Am, and someday I will.
I personally witnessed this exact looking trans am woop the crap out of many of cars. With the dealer tags still on it! The LS1 was no joke in 99'
I don’t get it... these test cars run a 13.9 @104...... and my stock 2000 ws6 runs a 13.1 -13.4 @ 104- 106 depending on elevation ..... bad drivers ???
New motor not broken in yet?
John Wick LS6 Intake didn’t come in until 2000. This also weighs more than the later birds
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I remember back in '99 I would get off work at 2am and stop by Art Moran Pontiac dealership in Southfield Michigan on my way home to look at their lot full of those WS6's including 3 of these...those was the days
I still love those WS6's
Really miss this brand of car.... :-(
holy crap I forgot he did Car and driver, Jim Scoutten is an american hero!
@Joe Mamma why do you say that? just curious.
one of my favorite F body's. I love this car...... white interior is so nice. manual...... nice.
35 now and still want one of these
Damn, if Pontiac was still around, it would be time to roll out the 20th anniversary edition of the 30th anniversary edition. Time just doesn't gaf.
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These WS6 are a great deal, buy em now while they're still relatively cheap.
Wish they made Firebirds now. They were pretty bad ass back then!
I wish Pontiac existed now. Was my favorite GM brand. Of course Pontiac might be better off dead since there really is no difference between GM brands any more. Chevy and Cadillac are the same cars with different badging/body panels.
They would have ruined the firebird just like they did to the Camaro. Atleast the WS6 died at its peak. My 60k mile 6 speed WS6 was fast stock and it didnt take much to get it into a 10.8@127mph and I still daily drive it. Bought it box stock in 2012 with 33k miles on it.
You could always opt for the conversion from a Camaro. Only an extra 40k. LOL In my opinion worth it if you have it.
They do theyre called Camaros!!!
Who knew this is the last TA R.I.P 1967-2002
1969-2002. Camaros came out in 67, firebirds came out in 69.
@Darius World you might have been able to order a trans am in 1968 but it would have been a 1969 year model. The show you are commenting under shows a 1999 Trans Am as the 30th anniversary edition. 1969 was the first year for the Trans Am option on a firebird.
@@jonathanhudson4623 sorry, but EPIC facepalm. The Firebird 400, the Sprint, and base model came out in '67. Chevy also forced Pontiac to ditch their "Corvette Killer" that year. The '67 400 had a Ram Air hood and 325 Hp from the factory. A good dealer would tell you how to remove the clip that kept the secondaries from opening and it then produced 370 HP. It had a superior suspension to the Camaro including 2 adjustable torsion bars from the factory so you could set it up to go from Drag, Road course or oval track. It also came with a Tack Sweep. The Sprint's were available with side scoops and a 300 hp overhead cam inline 6. The Trans Am came out in 1969. I owned a 67 400 car in 86.
www.hotrod.com/articles/vintage-road-test-1967-pontiac-firebird-400/
musclecars.howstuffworks.com/classic-muscle-cars/1960-pontiac-firebird3.htm
@@robertfitzgerald2061 yeah, I guess I was misremembering. The birds apparently were around in 67 and the T/A came out in 69. Hence the T/A having its 30 Anniversary in 99. I always remember reading about Pontiac not bringing out an f-body until 69 after the success of the Camaro that started in 67. All of a sudden I started seeing people talking about 67 and 68 firebirds and it didn't make any sense to me. I guess everything I had seen was talking specifically about the TransAm. It still seems very odd to me that after being a firebird guy for 18 years and build two 10 second streetable birds (89 WS6 formula firebird and 02 WS6 TransAm) I still never saw or heard anyone talk about a 67 or 68 firebird. Every firebird (not TransAm) I had seen or heard of was a 69 as the first year model.
Pretty much the holy grail of the ws6
I had an opportunity to buy one of them. I passed. It was in beautiful shape. I wound up getting a CETA.. They're both awesome! "Still a little unsure if I should have picked that one up".
I'm actually glad they killed the T/A at its peak instead of butchering it like they did with the 5th gen camaros. I own a 60k mile 02 WS6 6 speed that I daily drive. I know I don't drive much.
jonathan hudson lucky you. I’ve got an ‘02 Camaro Z28 convertible. I looked forever for a 6 speed and couldn’t find one
trans-am has always been my favorite car, remember the first time i seen one, i was a kid and had no idea why that car had a bird on the hood..lol was love at first site. have owned many, but in 2000 i bought the best one, black WS6.
Anybody know of the rest of that episode online anywhere?
Capable of 12.9 bone stock with 6 speed
Favorite car ever!! yes over the Corvette
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RIP, Jim.
man these things were mean back in the day
I own one and I fucking love it !
I always felt that anything over 5 seconds to 60 was slow for those cars, and I felt they were underpowered
What do you mean? They had no peers. Their competition, which was virtually just the Mustang GT (unless you count Camaro which was the same car) only had 260 horsepower, and a 0-60 and 1/4 roughly half a sec slower.
Why they stopped airing this show smh
Glad I bought a 99 ss vert 6 speed
Only 365 made
It’ll do over 159 mph...
@jlee161 yup I remember reading that the CONVERTIBLE was governed at 163mph crazy and the ss only did 160mph also the cobra only did 145 if I remember right
You're not John Davis...
13.9 in the 1/4 mile? I thought Car and Driver had professional drivers.
These cars always got underrated. I had an 02 Z28 LS1 and it was rated at 335HP but it had 352HP bone stock. Not a big difference, but look what Dodge did with the Demon rating; grossly overrated it.
I pulled a 12.85 in my 98 WS6 Convertible with just headers and exhaust..how is this so slow?
So glad I own one. Even though my twin toddlers got ahold of some blue spray paint and graffitied the hell out of the other day. Lol little shits!
I owned a 1989 TA with a special ordered 350 and it was NOT the GTA model. It was all black, black factory wheels, and black interior! I loved all the huge amber gauge displays at night, like I was in a fighter cockpit! It's funny though how they say it's a throw back to the '69 model but with the new technology nobody in '69 would have imagined - funny because my huge, fat, 4-door family sedan (2014 Ford Taurus SHO) would beat this car in stock form, both 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile! I could use the same phrase they used, technology today they wouldn't have imagined in '99.
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Jim Soutten has the voice of the universal man's man
My 98 Formula LS1 6spd would gobble that birds food up all day everyday
I don't understand why did Pontiac go out of business anyway if they were so great the Trans Am was an amazing car when I was in school in 1997 my mom drove a 1997 Trans Am reddish colored hardtop very nice car bit low to the ground but very nice car
You're talking about a company who made a car called Cadillac Cimarron a $40k Cavalier there's your answer
None of these guys can drag race ! My 2000 WS6 ran a 13:35 at 107 mph when it had only 1500 miles on it. They run faster times after they fully break in. I sold it in 2002. I wish I had kept it. Now I have a '71 Trans Am and a 2000 Camaro Z28.
All depends where the run was made. The closer to sea level, the better numbers you'll get.
RIP...
Man, I miss C&D TV as well as the og TNN channel
I have one of these. Awesome car.
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ill have it in black
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I want a Comp TA
Hate to break it to you, but "0.87 g in the corner" isn't great. Even the mid 90s mundane saloon with active suspension, the Citroen Xantia Activa could manage 0.94g. The 80s Ferrari F40 could manage over 1g. I'm sure it's a fun car to drive, but there's a reason these things didn't sell outside of the US.
Looks like white with black hood stripes
Imagine one with the LT5
I just picked up a black 2002 WS6 with a 6 speed about 6 months ago and I'm planning on doing a head and cam swap and tune to bring the HP to the 500 range. But first things first I will be installing a monster clutch and a rear end build up with 410 gears. It's no slouch now but I want to make the 5.7 LS1 something that will really put the new mustangs in their place. I've always loved the T/A's my brother had a 78 Macho T/A.
denisrvandal I been wanting one since they came out. I'm saving for one now. I also want to beef it up too. Do you know of any go shops to work on it? How much do you think the up grades you listed would cost? thanks
denisrvandal Go with 3.73s the 4.10 are engine killers in the Ls1. Put on a Ls6 intake or LsX if you can still buy one. My 2000 Ws6 wokeup a lot when I changed out the intake. To me it was the biggest gains for the price.
All 2001-2002 ws6 came with the ls6 intake from the factory.
Khartric not all, early in those years they came with Ls1 intakes. When gm started running low they started using Ls6. They also don't have EGRs, cams are alittle smaller in the 01-02 compared to 98-00 cars. They gave and took from each year lol.
Ryan C 4.10s are engine killers? How? Lol my 99 ws6 6 speed has 4.10s and I think they're great, aside from the fact that my first gear is basically useless on street tires lol, still cruises 75-80 at like 2000 rpm and gets 24-25 highway mpg so idk what you mean lol
Miss the old Nashville Network
2:45 oh my God that thing took off
Want
Is it for sale? No B.S 💯😍
Legend
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That thing barely outperforms the 20th anniversary turbo trans am
There’s more to life than a 0-60 time from a super-temperamental 80’s turbo car. This car is light years ahead in every other aspect.
@@sidefx996 super temperamental? It's the rock solid 3.8 turbo Buick, so, disagree there.
@@markbrinton6790 Yeah one of my best friends had a T-Type and several GNs and got so sick of them spending half the time over at Harpers Racing down here with tuning issues (it was always something) that he finally got out of them and bought an '03 Cobra brand new. Drove it like he stole it for 150k miles and it never missed a beat and he still eventually sold it for good money when he got a newer Mustang. Don't get me wrong I love those cars but besides competitive acceleration (the turbo T/As were awesome at the time) I think the newer car is (obviously) much better all around in pretty much every other aspect. Again I was referring to tuning issues, because in fairness he beat the living shit out of his first T-Type and it was bulletproof and it was still seen around town running for many years after he sold it.
@@sidefx996 fair enough.
Rest in Peace Jim!
RIP Jim 🙏🏽
I want this ❤!!!
i think the 20th anniversary is a better looking car.
Bad ass car, love it, too much music in background, ruined the vid
Come on Bring it On
Make A Fn 2019
But This Time Add as turbo Charger N Nos
El auto de mis sueños
Why are the 1/4 mile times always so slow on these shows?
*Damn. They had HD in 99. But you wouldn't know it from this broadcast. Were they still recording in 240p?*
No this video is not HD.
“Traditional male enthusiast?” 2:01 This has not aged well.
Classic TNN. The Nashville Network
2:46 downshift and wheel spin! Just love it!
13.9 1/4? Must be a bad driver...most of these are high 12s to mid 13s
My box stock 02 ws6 6 speed with cooper street tires and a terrible 60' ran 12.8s spinning terribly. Making 1st basically useless and started to get some traction in secind but would still spin some in 3rd as well. I'm almost 100% positive it ran 12.8@112mph my first night out at Darlington with her. I modded it up quick due to a very bleak health situation. I'm still here though and it's been 5 years but with out changing the engine it's been sitting at 10.8s@127mph for years on stock suspension, clutch, trans, rear end, and engine. All the work I did was headers back and intake forward and a 125 shot after I hit 2nd gear. I still launch weak 2.0 60ft to keep the rear alive. The rear does have a t/a girdle and I'm running drag radials now. I actually installed the hooker long tubes and catless y-pipe 3 days after having part of my pancreas taken out and all of my spleen removed. I had staples from my ribs to my waist holding my stomach shut. Car was in jack stands and it was 95 outside. I installed the nitrous and did all the free mids with blood poisoning a few weeks later.
I have a 98 T/A Vert and ran a 13.36@108 mph..bone stock on street tires. How are they running so slow?
@@robsretroreviews5598 Ford paid them to not tell people that the ls1 was 3 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile and still got 24mpg with 6 speed. The Ford mustang of the 90s and early 2000s were slow junk. They waited for the f-body ls1 car to be discontinued before they released the 03 cobra because they didnt want to see exhaust only ls1 cars beating the ass fuzz off their 8-9 psi of blower boosted 4.6 mustangs. People talk alot of crap about how great the 03 cobra was but it was junk. Exhaust and nitrous on an LS1 and a supercharged cobra may as well not even show up at the track. If the 4.6 can have a 50+% increase in power from a blower, why cant an ls1 spray a 125? Its not even close to a 50% increase. Most stock LS1s could out run the blower cobra anyway, sucking its own air. The 125 shot would just be a slaughter.
Can't wait to get my hands on one!
13.9??? What a bullshit stock LS1 M6 are 12.9XX capable in stock trim
José Giovanny Silva Gonzlez This was in 1999.
exactly..high performance pontiac tested a '02 auto. and ran a 12.9..same thing with the '02 SS
Yet the Mandela effect is showing there were production released 1967 and 1968 firebirds/TransAm. I know damn well the Camaro came out in 1967 but the firebird didnt come out until 1969. I'm not shitting you, look up the 1967 or 1968 firebird. I've always been a firebird guy. I've got an 89 ws6 formula that I built a full race stroker 383 for and I converted it to a t56 out of a lt1 Camaro. It started as a tpi305 and 700r4 combo. I also own a 60,000 mile ws6 T/A that runs 10.8s@127mph. A man doesn't build two 10 second firebirds and fuck up the year that firebirds came out.
Correct the Firebird was introduced by Pontiac in 1967 but the Trans Am was not available until 1969, hence the 1999 Trans Am 30th Anniversary Edition.
Wasn't the 1997 the 30th anniversary? I had a 2002 Z28 that was a 35th anniversary. I know that's a Camaro and this is a T/A, but didn't they both appear for 1967? Maybe the T/A didn't make an appearance until 1969? And the HP is underrated. Mine had 352HP, bone stock, but it's statistics said it had 335HP.
The first year of production for the Firebird was 1967. The Trans Am was introduced in 1969.
jdeday - thank you. I wasn't sure of that.