THANK YOU so much for taking the time(and $) to bring us youur results & opinion, looking forward to the next one. Big + for me in your reviews in telling us your longevity expectations, 7-10years sounds above average(unfortunatly). Really like the big tub, surprised that the agitator did not provide better wash results. For the time being, my 31 year old Maytag is still going strong :), and I will stick with a top-load when/if I need to replace. * I'm so done with CR, been with them for +20years and they have lost their edge. From car reports to appliances, they seem to rate products based on bogus facts that no one cares about*
Its possible that the stain scores on this are better than I think - as noted at the end, this is only the first of a few toploaders I am going to test. I am comparing them to front loaders so far, which across the board had better scores. The question that will get answered later is how something thats universally praised for stain removal like a TC5, allegedly, does. And thats literally what I am working on now. Maybe its just that a WT8405 is good for a top loader and they're just inferior compared to frontloads for stain removal as a general rule of thumb.
I think the results of your test brings The whole stain strip method into question. What we are washing isn't stain strips, it's clothing, bedding, towels, throw rugs, etc. The simulation is often different than the real world application. There are other factors that I think need to be judged by official sources like consumer reports such as how well these washers clean clothing that is outright disgusting in appearance and smell such as clothing used in the process of hog farming. That is the real standard that I care about.
Can you tell me where Consumer Reports states they actually test the quality of washing through stains on clothing? Because last I checked, they use stain strips like I showed in the test, using only white clothing for ballasts. At least that is what I saw in the videos they have on their website (behind paywalls I paid toget around). I am the only one on the internet that uses soiled clothing with a spectrograph as far as I know. Wirecutters and Consumer Reports use the stain strips. The corporations that make/sell the machines do as well, as the Swisatest I used are federally-recognized and mandated by law as what is acceptable for stain removal scores.
@@bensappliancesandjunk I am 75 years of age .Grew up with Consumer Reports since my father used to subscribe to is since its inception in 1936. and then I subscribed up until a year ago, They basically stopped testing products, They post old reviews and tell you in the small print that this is because the new products is essentially the same as the old products. Now, they just use readers reviews instead of testing anything Also they did away with their non-commercialization policy, Plenty of companies pay CR to use their "test" in their reviews. Everything comes to an end. CR is over and out. Useless
@@bensappliancesandjunk Ben, I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not questioning your test methods. I think you did a great job and I appreciate all the time, effort, and expense you put into this. I am questioning the methods CR and others are using with those stain strips. I am giving you credit for mixing their test method against real world stains. Because the results are inversely related. This supports my theory that something is wrong with CR's tests and this might be it regardless if it is considered the official methodology. I'm saying that IF the stain strip is the only method they are using, I think an organization of that size should do more extensive tests. I say this after having family and friends who work in farming and having terrible results with the modern washers.
Noise comes with any machine. As long as it doesn't sound like gears grinding or heavy machine gun fire, I'm good. My twenty something year old washer makes no more noise today than it did when I bought it. I get worried about so called "soft starts" failing and soft, quiet materials being used where they don't belong. Great video!
My 21 yr old Whilpool Duet HD washer, still Outclasses these New Machines [ Had my First ever brake down last week with a DrumDriveBelt $55 dollar repair. Ez fix Saved $160-200+ dollar.
The Duet HD is probably the best front loader ever created. The original ones were made in Germany, and we regularly see them and repair them even today. They were built as good as a Speed Queen FF7 was, but arguably at a lower price at the time they made 'em
@@bensappliancesandjunk Funny part of doing this repair was the belt [ thought I got the wrong belt size ] it at first looked like it wouldnt fit , almost took it back to appl/parts/store. But after seen a note on its size and how to get to roll on drum wheel thing all was well. Glad I didnt make an a$$ outof myself returning the belt. lol Thanks for all of your fine work Mr Ben
Great review Ben. I'm a fan of LG top load washers as they are 27" wide (Most top load washers are 27.5" or 28" wide). The new generation models with the matte black color seem to be better built than the previous generation models. Also, LG makes all their top load washers in Thailand but they're bringing it back to Tennessee due to tariffs.
Great review! I bought a whirlpool with the removeable agitator and returned it after the first cycle looked like the drum was about to blow out the side. I returned it for this LG after seeing this review i am very happy i did. Our laundry room is right next to our bed room with sleeping baby which is a huge deal. We really like it so far.
This was really well done. I'm sticking with my 1974 Maytag and 140°F soft water. That makes more difference than anything else - their 'hot' is really not even luke-warm.
i repair these things for a living, your exactly right, the splutch/acutuator is the weak spot. i tried to look at a parts breakdown, but couldn't locate one. if you can swap out just the splutch/actuator, your good. if you have to replace the whole gearbox, don't buy. i do like the horizontal shock absorbers. drain pumps come and go. im not a fan of the user interface.
I agree. There was a recall on Samsung and LG top load washers a while back due to the top portion exploding during the spin cycle. The horizontal shocks do provide a solid brace.
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Some really amazing testing going on here. Really looking forward to seeing the Speed Queen TC5 along with other Speed Queen products tested.
@@bensappliancesandjunkJust FYI, we've been using washing soda plus All free & clear with Oxi plus a scoop of Active Green Platinum. That combo with warm water has gotten out so many food stains!
Ben, you are awesome. Learned so much from you and your videos. Hopefully you get the impeller/washplate version of this LG for tests to see how it performs. I feel the washing system may be similar to what we saw on this one. But, with the washplate, i'm wondering if (as you mentioned) it might just prove different results. I'm thinking LG stuck with the "Turbo Drum" washing method with these new ones too. I do miss the waveforce with the water jets on the older LGs, i thought those were awesome. I wonder why they got rid of that. 🤔
Wow! Very fortunate. I cant remember if I mentioned it in the script, but the last machine I could think of that had shock absorbers like this one was a Calypso! Really neat machines. Had a lot of tech that made it into the VMW, but a lot that didnt too. Fascinating things. That was Consumer Reports Washer of the Year in 2004, FYI.
I can beat that>>Sears Kenmore from 1992 still running (3 loads a week: whites, colors, towels). It has had some problems: detergent dispenser quit; fabric softener dispenser sprung a leak so wires cut off so it won't try to fill: motor coupling broke and had to be changed 15 years ago; control knob broke 15 years ago and had to be replaced. Otherwise mechanics still going strong.
@hotpuppy1 The Kenmore's of that era were the best. We had the Kenmore Fridge and stove from the Sears in Vancouver. Never failed. Only thing that failed was my marriage! 🤣
In CR, this model is the #1 scoring (with a score of 81) top loader with an agitator. The LG WT7150CW top loader HE (wash plate) machine scored higher (85) and the LG WM4000HWA front loader tops all three with a score of 87.
I like to say a great big thank you for your time, effort, and of course money, for the testing of these products. You help everyone to arrive at any decision we might make. I do personally feel that a front loader washing machine will do so much better in cleaning clothes because they getting tossed around instead of being agitated, which I feel is not all that efficient in my opinion. I do have a question, actually two........ What's wrong with AC/DC????😂😂 I would like to also point out that from my understanding, you should be putting the tide pods in first at the bottom of the loader to work better, is that not correct? Again, thank you so much for your time, effort, and for the money for all of us.
Thanks for the comment. I've just never liked AC/DC - too simple and hook-y. Now, I will admit, I think the Bon Scott era ACDC was pretty good though. Re:Tide pods - its very possible they're best used at the bottom, but I put them on top for visual effect in every test, so its not as if I am changing that aspect of the video at this time. Maybe it has to do with the detergent spreading earlier in the wash as opposed to later, ensuring the stain removal properties work better? Interesting comment though. Maybe I can test!
I'm with you! I have a set of Kenmore 80 series from 1998 and I'll NEVER get rid of them. I've had to change the agitate dogs 2 times in 27 years that cost me next to nothing. Everyone I know that use to have a regular washer (like we still do) wishes they never replaced theirs with the new HE machines. All the complaints are the same, it runs too long, it doesn't use enough water, the machine smells. Everyone thought I was being cheap when the new ones came out because I refused to buy one but I kept telling them "How can it clean your clothes with 1/4 of the water and it runs for an hour and a half saving you electricity how?" and it turned out I was right.
@@michaelfolino8414 Yup. The new stuff is just garbage. My maytag dryer is from the mid 80s and that thing dries clothes faster than anything ive ever seen any other dryer do. I just moved into this house recently and the vintage alliances were a breath of fresh air lol
It would be interesting to see a comparison testing different amounts of tide pods. People online always say that using minimal detergent good enough. Also, they say that using too much could decrease its efficacy.
If I remember correctly, 🤔 when Fisher&Paykel began importing to the States (early 2000's?), those early machines were the first I had ever seen with a hanging suspension (didn't they also have shock absorbers?) and direct dc motor drive. They were unlike anything we had ever seen from the domestic manufacturers, but it didn’t take long before the US brands started copying them.
F&P absolutely pioneered the direct drive system. I am unsure about the suspension system though. I only got to touch a few F&P washers and never had to deal with the suspension side of things. Interestingly enough - the stator on the US systems like Whirlpool's Cabrio was licensed from F&P directly. They paid to use their system. When the license ran out, they switched to the VMAX system they use today and its a huge step back.
LG had been using direct drive on their front load units since the TROMM in the 90s though, no? And I believe the only US brand to use direct drive was WP but they licensed F&P's as the idea of learning how to make something new was weally weally harrrrd... they thought about it a long time, and all it did was make them have to poop! So they paid to copy F&P's homework. 😂
I got a Whirlpool commercial grade basic top load washer with KNOBS. The side of the cabinet rusted out but the washer still runs after TWENTY FIVE YEARS!
I want the speed queen washer but unfortunately it’s too expensive for me right now, based on your review which is absolutely thorough I may purchase this one is there a front loader
There are a few front load equivalents, yes. The WM4000 or WM4500 is a great similarly-priced version without too many complex controls on the interfaces. The wash times will be longer than a Speed Queen TC5 for sure, but the wash quality from what I've observed is great. And the overall cost of ownership - thats one I am working on now - is very competitive with a Speed Queen or slightly better even when you factor lifespan + electric usage + water usage for a good quality wash.
I paid 600 bucks for my LG washer on sale at Macys 10 years ago. Mine looks more expensive. I have Allergine and Steam Cleaning options. My tub is 5.2 cu Ft. I would buy another LG but it would probably be the All in one washer dryer front loader.
The tide pods should go on the bottom. The amount of time the soap has to disol e in the water can help. Also this is how the bottle, and most people, do it so it would be the best way to test.
Ben 16:38 what are the teal boxes before the water hoses?? Some system that turns water. Off when washer not running??? If so. Do you advise consumer have some setup like that ???
I have not seen you test dog hair in washers or dryers. We have a long hair white Huskey and a German Shepherd. Blankets and the like are always COVERED in huskey fur. My 10 yo Samsung dryer struggles even with the bounce pet hair dryer sheets, which help A LOT. The new GE washer we have does nothing for fur. Does any manufacturer even test for that? I'm mostly curious about the GE combo but I know I'm not the only one. Thanks for the testing Ben.
I’ve had good luck with lg. I have a 12 or so year old wt1001. Had to replace the drain pump but no biggie. Just waiting for it to crap so I can get a front load
Those suspension rods will be a pain to change with the dampers down there especially the front it looks like you can access the back one by taking that rear panel off. Will definitely put those pins back in from bottom so to take them out if have to do it again you have to push down instead if pulling the up.
I think if you had 90* angled pliers, it would be quite easy, but I didn't have them nearby when I did this segment. Each pin has a small tab that needs pressed to remove them. I felt it just wasnt worth messing with on a brand new washer to show when I could demonstrate from the rear rather easily.
I just ordered a WT6105CW from Costco cuz I was unable to fix my 13 yr old GE GTAN4250M1WS Top Load. I read that a lot of machines barely add enough water, and some people said the clothes on top don't even get wet. At least this model has a deep fill option besides the auto sense. I might still try to further diagnose the old one and try and do some board repair. Then I can cancel the new one.
I have the same samsung washer you using in this video to compare, mine is been very good but now the bleach compartment has corroded all around do you have any idea where can l buy the whole top part because l try Samsung web page and its a nightmare, also my machine stops at the start of rinse and spin mode do you have any idea what could be the problem with it, thank you very much if you have the time to reply back to me l really appreciate it.
When I think of the three major item areas that people junk washers it is one of these issues. Gearcase failure, main control board failure and suspension UL issues. With that out of big box store brands, I believe and see regularly that LG does best in those areas for top load washers. Drain pumps are their weakness but that is an easy fix. It's amazing how many Whirlpools less than 3 years old I get with bad gearcase and boards.
Exactly. WP is growing to be on my "Do not buy list" as much as it utterly pains me to say that. Their VMW DESIGN is amazing. But they've cheapened it so much, you're rolling the dice if they won't have a board or gearcase failure in 5 years which is wild. Because we routinely get Amana toploads that are 7-9 years old that can be refurbished and resold.
@backinactionllc my LG had a constant error message and then started NOT draining. I had it for 3 yrs. It would have been expensive to have it repaired so opted to give it to the re-furb company.
@@1BethMcBeth None of the major brands are as well made or as reliable as 10-20 years ago. Build quality, materials used and prolific use of electronics looks great but at a cost of reliability. I just know from what I see every day I would go LG
Stain strip. Would it make a difference if it was ironed, post wash to make the surfaces the same as before? Tide says to put the pods in first. Do you know why or the difference? Thank you, enjoyed the offering.
I dont know if ironing the strips would help at all. I do always test on a flat surface and flaten out the area where the eye looks at the stain and that does go with shirts as well. I've used the spectrogaph hundreds of times to know that the wrinkles could change scores BUT I tend to do testing near the same area multiple times to ensure the value is a proper median value and we aren't seeing some abberation of a particular value. Where there IS difficulty is when the machine may do a good job on one area by agitating the crap out of it because it got in a good area... Sometimes a stain strip may have 50% more fading in an area, then regular fading in the rest. Those are hard to make a qualitative judgement on where to look. I usually aim for the middle of the strip usually though as practice as best I can.
Detergents always go in first because if the concentrated detergent gets on fabric, it can cause stains from the bleach, optical fabric brighteners, and even the tint dyes.
Consumer Repots is history. Long story. LG AC's, that were rated number one when I still subscribed to CR were horrible. I bought 3 a few years back and MAN did I get burned. I never had an LG refrigerator, but I DO know that they were using an inferior compressor for years and just wouldn't get rid of it. I wouldn't buy any LG AC or Refrigerator. Their TV are great because of the WIDE viewing angle and longevity. Have six LG TV's for quite a few years and they're still working perfectly. I absolute LOVE my SPEED QUEEN TC5003WN. Didn't you recommend it? GREAT quality. Wish the capacity was larger. I wouldn't touch LG ever since their compressor rip off with their refrigerators. There was a class action suit and I think the customers won . I only recommend the SPEED QUEEN TC5003WN and the Speed Queen front loader that goes for like twice the price. LOVE your videos. THANKS!
The deep fill being less effective does kind of make sense if you think about it, the detergent is much more diluted. I'm guessing that was just put on for people who complain that HE washes just "don't use enough water"
I see an almost identical looking wt7480cl at costco for ~$600 is it the same model just with a different identifier for costco? ive seen that happen before
Yuuuuuuuuuup. Costco usually gets the same models under a goofy model identifier because they're so large, they can get custom runs of the same units for their own special needs. Mora refrigerators are the same way. Mora is a Hisense refrigerator (which are great) under a custom contract.
So far for all my tests, front loaders wash better, but take longer to get that better performance. In general you have better pre-soak options that do more at least from my tests. Much more efficient as well. But if you gotta get a lot done fast, a good topload may be better.
@@bensappliancesandjunkInteresting! IME, top loaders are better for bulky items because they can soak in more water, plus a front loader can get the bulk item so wrapped that the inside diameter rarely unravels to rub against the other parts of the fabric.
Settings are always an offset between time, efficiency, and goal. Bad stains need either pre-treatment or pre-soak and a boat load of time (think washing multiple times, but without re-setting the machine, with plenty of soak time). The reality is that every mode matters... Whats the goal of washing the clothes? Stain removal? Refreshing them generally? That will change what you use and why. Back in the day, companies like Maytag put out books the size of medium sized Bibles on proper laundry cycles, and I think a lot of that has been lost in the "Set and forget" era and mindset. It does still matter, it seems.
@@bensappliancesandjunk At 10:22 in the video that is definitely overstuffed😂. Half to 2/3 is recommended in a large capacity dryer. That there appears to cover the whole opening in the door. Not trying to be disrespectful, just I've never had any luck drying anything that full even untangling the clothes.
I don't understand. If these washers cannot remove stains, then (which) washers DO actually clean clothes the best, (and by how much) ? Looking at the wash action in this video shows clothing that just floats or is stuck on top or the sides, and does not get (any) wash treatment at all. How can a machine clean the clothing if the clothing never moves or even gets wet ?
Its a great question. In my tests, there are generally 2 theories of how to clean clothes: 1) Lots of water and mixing action from a top loader with an impeller. Its fast, but very inefficient because there has to be enough water in between the cloths to get them to mix and agitate frequently. 2) Use a front loader and let gravity do the agitation. The rotational action of the drum, will naturally allow clothes to mix and agitate upon each other. This takes longer, but then you do not need water to act as the mixing agent, only to clean the clothes. Which takes a lot less water to do. However, this takes way more time. So it ends up being speed vs. efficiency when it comes to real cleaning actions
Wouldnt a bigger agitator clean better? Those clothes didnt seem to move. A bigger agitator would promote up-and-down action on the clothes. Seems to me the clothes on top would get the least clean. Maybe try one of those $25 test strips at the bottom instead of the top?
You'd think. On the test strip - my issue with putting it at the bottom is that if it was better at the bottom, then its not cleaning everything well, which was a reason I put it on top.
Any washers out there that you recommend that have regular controls (NOT digital panel) with an agitator and large drum? I currently have a re-furb GE that does NOT have an agitator and not entirely sure if the clothes are getting clean.😢 Thanks for your input!(I'll provide the model number and edit when I get a chance, if that helps)
You'd have to define "Digital panel". Because thats pretty tricky to explain. They all have electronics behind them now. Speed Queens are reliable, but generally considered smaller cap with a good agitator. For larger cap, you have options like this in a slightly smaller format like the WT 7105 I think that would be decent. Or you could go commercial with a Maytag MVWP85 or a GE GTW525 which are larger cap, but not as reliable as say, a TC5 would be.
@bensappliancesandjunk I meant with fewer washing cycles....basically more simplistic and NOT those touch screen panels. I had an LG washer before that I traded my Maytag Admiral 2's for. (I'M sorry that I did), but at that time, the LG HE washer (w/o agitator) was ALL the rage with ALL the bells and whistles, which I succumbed to. I STILL have the dryer going strong, but the washer was taken by the refurb company to see if they could repair/offer as a refurb to someone, and I bought the GE re-furb, without the agitator instead. I had picked out a GE with agitator to be delivered to me, however, I believe they switched mine out and offered me one w/o an agitator.
@@1BethMcBeth Ah got it. WT7005 is probably your best bet. Good compromise between size, price, and complexity. Their direct drive systems are simply the best on the market. Although I am not a fan of the clutch system per-se the DD stator is a wildly efficient and reliable design.
I don't understand the point of top loaders at this point. Every front loader I've used has cleaned better than my 1988 Whirlpool, even the toy-sized 7kg EU washer at my friend's house when he stuffed it full.
You would be surprised what people leave in stuff. I worked my church's rummage sale and we got a large square coffee table with drawers in. The drawers were full of kid's junk, video tapes, magazines, etc. We dump it all. Six months later at our next sale the person who donated it came in asking if we had the stuff that was in the drawers. They had left their WEDDING VIDEO in it! Sorry Charlie, all gone. We didn't know who had donated it and six months passed. You think we are keeping your trash for eternity? Someone else left important papers in a briefcase. Also dumped in the trash.
i work on appliances for a living although i do see LG appliances being more reliable then all other brands other then maybe speed queen i will say i believe maytag has the best washer agitator design for sure i think if this LG unit had the same design as maytag has i honestly believe it would have scored better just like speed queen their agitator design is trash if that was the same design at the maytag would also wash and clean much better for sure unfortunately maytag scores maybe just average for reliability but they make the best style agitator just my opinion
Three years ago whirlpool had a very sexy looking totally computerized set that would interview you about your clothes. What did you think of them? They went away really fast.
Consumer reports is based on data from consumers that know NOTHING.. and just do a stupid star rating, which may be okay, but it says nothing about how long they will last.
I've had consistantly much better results with a LOT LESS detergent in my 10yo LG washer, typically Tide at a little under the #1 line in the cup for a full load. I usually wash on warm but also sometimes on cold, I do think the issue is traces of detergent residue stays in the fabric otherwise, so the thought of 2-3 tide pods is horrifying to me xD
FYI... looking at the washer specs, it is not a HE (high efficiency) washer. It is Energy Star, but not HE. That said, a mediocre or below average washer is no surprise... I'm not a fan of Korean home appliances, especially LG.
@@bensappliancesandjunk In this case, this does have an impeller. Regardless, the spec on Lowe's has it indicating a "no" for HE. Near the end of the video, you stated this was an HE washer. This appears to be an honest review of the washer.
@@fialee8 its Energy Star compliant. In general, any energy star appliance has to be HE to get the rating. The issue is that quite literally, the terminology is nebulous and may not be accurate. Its why I did provide actual water/electricity usages in the soil test spreadsheet that is in the description. Although I don't have WH ratings on every mode, the water usage is all there and you are welcome to look at it versus other washers that are labeled HE that I've tested to make an accurate determination.
Yea imma stick with front loaders. Sorry to say it but I just hate modern top loaders . After the direct drives went out of style and the new stupid HE top loads came in it all went to shit for household washers. A dryer is a dryer it don’t really matter what kind u get except the capacity. Imma buy a speed queen front loaders washer soon and I can’t wait. I’m gonna be a little sad to part with my whirlpool duet steam pair from 2008 but they r starting to fail on us and fixing would be more than buying new probably
Your content is fantastic, and appreciated. But as far as pods go I will not use them, either in the washing machine or dishwasher. Ever. Or tide for that matter.
Science says pods are best. Many common enzymes are destroyed (denatured) when they're dried out, they have to remain liquid. Liquid detergents are much better enzymatic cleaners for things like oils and body odors. When you do liquid, components react with each other in storage so they are limited in what they can put in. Pods solve that problem by keeping reactive components apart until time of use.
The back and forth action of the agitation just seems pointless. The impeller flavor of these he top loads still seem better. You can bet the TC5 is going to smoke this LG in wash performance though.
So far in the tests I've done w/ the TC5 it hasn't. It will run quicker, but not better, but I still have about 6 loads to do. Comforter tests in the TC5 have been outright abysmal though
first, the water is a finite resource so it should not be wasted. second: this washers are made to use as LITTLE as possible water since the cleanliness comes from the clothes scrubbing each other with the minimal soap water and the tub itself. kinda like a frontal load washer. so no wonder a "deep fill" will give the worst results since the clothes are flotating on water. the "deep fill" is an option enabled so people would stop to pause the machine and add water like in older LG top load washers you will see demented people adding water "because the machine is stupid and wont notice its missing water" and i am talking the AI models not the old ones that was basic tech that could get bad over time and do less water than needed.
I do the deep wash testing so everyone has a baseline on what it does. For the TC5 tests, I am doing deep wash options on everything, then running an identical load w/o deep wash to show the actual difference when literally everything else is held to the same requirement.
@@bensappliancesandjunk i do understand and i totally agree with you. just LG has made AI washers to use as minimal water as possible. there for more water less % of cleanliness. is like a fan that the more slow the blades move more air moves, and the fan having a deep turbo mode that the blades go light speed yet little to no air gets moved. same logic but with water and the agitation system.
@@glennlazenby6137 there is a shortage of water worldwide. the UN since the year 2000 has asked to all the countries to shut down the fountains and if you want to run them, must be with rain water not potable (drinkable) water. the world is only 3% of sweet (potable) water. the rest is salty water that needs billionaire processes to remove the salt and other bad stuff to be able to be safely drink or used as regular water.
@@aagc1988 desalination plants are the answer, not sure why California is not aggressively pursuing this as other countries should be, as well. My desire for clean clothes and my ability to pay for my water use should not be judged...my choice.
Your testing methods are on par with Project Farm type levels! Keep up the great work!
High praise (and deserved).
Thanks!
haha! thats what I was just thinking this morning seeing the speed queen washer video 🤣
Very impressive!
@@BackToTheGame.98 🤣🤣😂😂
THANK YOU so much for taking the time(and $) to bring us youur results & opinion, looking forward to the next one. Big + for me in your reviews in telling us your longevity expectations, 7-10years sounds above average(unfortunatly). Really like the big tub, surprised that the agitator did not provide better wash results. For the time being, my 31 year old Maytag is still going strong :), and I will stick with a top-load when/if I need to replace. * I'm so done with CR, been with them for +20years and they have lost their edge. From car reports to appliances, they seem to rate products based on bogus facts that no one cares about*
Its possible that the stain scores on this are better than I think - as noted at the end, this is only the first of a few toploaders I am going to test. I am comparing them to front loaders so far, which across the board had better scores. The question that will get answered later is how something thats universally praised for stain removal like a TC5, allegedly, does. And thats literally what I am working on now. Maybe its just that a WT8405 is good for a top loader and they're just inferior compared to frontloads for stain removal as a general rule of thumb.
I think the results of your test brings The whole stain strip method into question. What we are washing isn't stain strips, it's clothing, bedding, towels, throw rugs, etc. The simulation is often different than the real world application. There are other factors that I think need to be judged by official sources like consumer reports such as how well these washers clean clothing that is outright disgusting in appearance and smell such as clothing used in the process of hog farming. That is the real standard that I care about.
Can you tell me where Consumer Reports states they actually test the quality of washing through stains on clothing?
Because last I checked, they use stain strips like I showed in the test, using only white clothing for ballasts. At least that is what I saw in the videos they have on their website (behind paywalls I paid toget around).
I am the only one on the internet that uses soiled clothing with a spectrograph as far as I know. Wirecutters and Consumer Reports use the stain strips. The corporations that make/sell the machines do as well, as the Swisatest I used are federally-recognized and mandated by law as what is acceptable for stain removal scores.
@@bensappliancesandjunk I am 75 years of age .Grew up with Consumer Reports since my father used to subscribe to is since its inception in 1936. and then I subscribed up until a year ago, They basically stopped testing products, They post old reviews and tell you in the small print that this is because the new products is essentially the same as the old products. Now, they just use readers reviews instead of testing anything Also they did away with their non-commercialization policy, Plenty of companies pay CR to use their "test" in their reviews. Everything comes to an end. CR is over and out. Useless
@@bensappliancesandjunk Ben, I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not questioning your test methods. I think you did a great job and I appreciate all the time, effort, and expense you put into this. I am questioning the methods CR and others are using with those stain strips. I am giving you credit for mixing their test method against real world stains. Because the results are inversely related. This supports my theory that something is wrong with CR's tests and this might be it regardless if it is considered the official methodology. I'm saying that IF the stain strip is the only method they are using, I think an organization of that size should do more extensive tests. I say this after having family and friends who work in farming and having terrible results with the modern washers.
Noise comes with any machine. As long as it doesn't sound like gears grinding or heavy machine gun fire, I'm good. My twenty something year old washer makes no more noise today than it did when I bought it. I get worried about so called "soft starts" failing and soft, quiet materials being used where they don't belong. Great video!
My 21 yr old Whilpool Duet HD washer, still Outclasses these New Machines [ Had my First ever brake down last week with a DrumDriveBelt $55 dollar repair. Ez fix Saved $160-200+ dollar.
The Duet HD is probably the best front loader ever created. The original ones were made in Germany, and we regularly see them and repair them even today. They were built as good as a Speed Queen FF7 was, but arguably at a lower price at the time they made 'em
@@bensappliancesandjunk Funny part of doing this repair was the belt [ thought I got the wrong belt size ] it at first looked like it wouldnt fit , almost took it back to appl/parts/store. But after seen a note on its size and how to get to roll on drum wheel thing all was well. Glad I didnt make an a$$ outof myself returning the belt. lol Thanks for all of your fine work Mr Ben
Great review Ben. I'm a fan of LG top load washers as they are 27" wide (Most top load washers are 27.5" or 28" wide). The new generation models with the matte black color seem to be better built than the previous generation models. Also, LG makes all their top load washers in Thailand but they're bringing it back to Tennessee due to tariffs.
Great review! I bought a whirlpool with the removeable agitator and returned it after the first cycle looked like the drum was about to blow out the side. I returned it for this LG after seeing this review i am very happy i did. Our laundry room is right next to our bed room with sleeping baby which is a huge deal. We really like it so far.
This was really well done.
I'm sticking with my 1974 Maytag and 140°F soft water. That makes more difference than anything else - their 'hot' is really not even luke-warm.
Do they have heaters?? I always thought that what came out of the tap was what you got.
I agree with you --- better performance with just a wash plate and no agitator and more cycle options.
i repair these things for a living, your exactly right, the splutch/acutuator is the weak spot. i tried to look at a parts breakdown, but couldn't locate one. if you can swap out just the splutch/actuator, your good. if you have to replace the whole gearbox, don't buy. i do like the horizontal shock absorbers. drain pumps come and go. im not a fan of the user interface.
I agree. There was a recall on Samsung and LG top load washers a while back due to the top portion exploding during the spin cycle. The horizontal shocks do provide a solid brace.
Your videos are SO IMPORTANT!
Love my speed queen washer. Basic and heavy duty
Thank you Ben. Your testing and explaining are very much appreciated.
Most thorough testing out there. Also the washer bomb works great!
I have the LG WM4000 front washer. It's #1 on CR and Spruce. It's been great so far.
Best appliance person on UA-cam!
Excellent presentation. Thank you. Some really amazing testing going on here. Really looking forward to seeing the Speed Queen TC5 along with other Speed Queen products tested.
I did do the FF7009WN already - it was my very last video - if you want to watch it on the channel
Thank you. You’re genuinely remarkable and thorough.
Video request - test different laundry soaps in same washer
I wanted to so bad but Project Farm just did a great one and idk if i should
@@bensappliancesandjunkJust FYI, we've been using washing soda plus All free & clear with Oxi plus a scoop of Active Green Platinum. That combo with warm water has gotten out so many food stains!
I have this washing machine and it is the best one ive had!
"Horelpool" 😉 Great videos! Keep up the good work!
Ben, you are awesome. Learned so much from you and your videos. Hopefully you get the impeller/washplate version of this LG for tests to see how it performs. I feel the washing system may be similar to what we saw on this one. But, with the washplate, i'm wondering if (as you mentioned) it might just prove different results. I'm thinking LG stuck with the "Turbo Drum" washing method with these new ones too. I do miss the waveforce with the water jets on the older LGs, i thought those were awesome. I wonder why they got rid of that. 🤔
Thanks for your support!
Good review 😊 personally i personally prefer the older washers vs the newer ones
Thanks a lot!
@@bensappliancesandjunk you bet 👍 old school rules
I have the upgraded unit with the smart lcd screen. So far its been working great.
Nice to hear that!
Great review, But Im keeping my Whirlpool Calypso Washer and matching Dryer!! My Calypso washes incredibly well!!!!
Wow! Very fortunate. I cant remember if I mentioned it in the script, but the last machine I could think of that had shock absorbers like this one was a Calypso! Really neat machines. Had a lot of tech that made it into the VMW, but a lot that didnt too. Fascinating things.
That was Consumer Reports Washer of the Year in 2004, FYI.
ALL WAYS RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP 😊
Love your channel…awesome…I personally think that the soap has more to do with the cleaning efficiency than the machine itself
It does for sure. But at least this way, I have a lot of info/data available that if I reduce the amount of cleaning tests, I could discuss why
Ben i just got a direct drive the old gear change washer died 😢 but it’s good it lasted much longer than I expected! Thanks
I love my LG top load washer it doesn't have an agitator but it works greater and has been working for 5 years no issues same with dryer
I am glad to hear your top load is working well.
My Miele W1918 washer from 2002 still going strong!
Wow, nice!
I can beat that>>Sears Kenmore from 1992 still running (3 loads a week: whites, colors, towels). It has had some problems: detergent dispenser quit; fabric softener dispenser sprung a leak so wires cut off so it won't try to fill: motor coupling broke and had to be changed 15 years ago; control knob broke 15 years ago and had to be replaced. Otherwise mechanics still going strong.
@hotpuppy1 The Kenmore's of that era were the best. We had the Kenmore Fridge and stove from the Sears in Vancouver. Never failed. Only thing that failed was my marriage! 🤣
excellent video and testing strategy. thanks Ben..
I want a Speed Queen Classic!
In CR, this model is the #1 scoring (with a score of 81) top loader with an agitator. The LG WT7150CW top loader HE (wash plate) machine scored higher (85) and the LG WM4000HWA front loader tops all three with a score of 87.
I like to say a great big thank you for your time, effort, and of course money, for the testing of these products. You help everyone to arrive at any decision we might make. I do personally feel that a front loader washing machine will do so much better in cleaning clothes because they getting tossed around instead of being agitated, which I feel is not all that efficient in my opinion. I do have a question, actually two........ What's wrong with AC/DC????😂😂 I would like to also point out that from my understanding, you should be putting the tide pods in first at the bottom of the loader to work better, is that not correct? Again, thank you so much for your time, effort, and for the money for all of us.
Thanks for the comment. I've just never liked AC/DC - too simple and hook-y. Now, I will admit, I think the Bon Scott era ACDC was pretty good though.
Re:Tide pods - its very possible they're best used at the bottom, but I put them on top for visual effect in every test, so its not as if I am changing that aspect of the video at this time. Maybe it has to do with the detergent spreading earlier in the wash as opposed to later, ensuring the stain removal properties work better? Interesting comment though. Maybe I can test!
Please do that stain teest using an old kenmore 80s series or something similar. I guarantee it will beat all the newer washers
I would like to see this comparison as well.
Thanks for the nice video.
Won't be getting rid of my 2001 maytag Atlantis if I can help it.
I'm with you! I have a set of Kenmore 80 series from 1998 and I'll NEVER get rid of them. I've had to change the agitate dogs 2 times in 27 years that cost me next to nothing. Everyone I know that use to have a regular washer (like we still do) wishes they never replaced theirs with the new HE machines. All the complaints are the same, it runs too long, it doesn't use enough water, the machine smells. Everyone thought I was being cheap when the new ones came out because I refused to buy one but I kept telling them "How can it clean your clothes with 1/4 of the water and it runs for an hour and a half saving you electricity how?" and it turned out I was right.
@@michaelfolino8414 Yup. The new stuff is just garbage. My maytag dryer is from the mid 80s and that thing dries clothes faster than anything ive ever seen any other dryer do. I just moved into this house recently and the vintage alliances were a breath of fresh air lol
It would be interesting to see a comparison testing different amounts of tide pods. People online always say that using minimal detergent good enough. Also, they say that using too much could decrease its efficacy.
Good idea!
If I remember correctly, 🤔 when Fisher&Paykel began importing to the States (early 2000's?), those early machines were the first I had ever seen with a hanging suspension (didn't they also have shock absorbers?) and direct dc motor drive. They were unlike anything we had ever seen from the domestic manufacturers, but it didn’t take long before the US brands started copying them.
F&P absolutely pioneered the direct drive system. I am unsure about the suspension system though. I only got to touch a few F&P washers and never had to deal with the suspension side of things.
Interestingly enough - the stator on the US systems like Whirlpool's Cabrio was licensed from F&P directly. They paid to use their system. When the license ran out, they switched to the VMAX system they use today and its a huge step back.
@@bensappliancesandjunk I remember that.
Didn't GE wind up with some of their technology as well?
@@bluesteve124 Haier bought F&P in 2012 and GE Appliances in 2016.
LG had been using direct drive on their front load units since the TROMM in the 90s though, no? And I believe the only US brand to use direct drive was WP but they licensed F&P's as the idea of learning how to make something new was weally weally harrrrd... they thought about it a long time, and all it did was make them have to poop! So they paid to copy F&P's homework. 😂
Funny, the old clothes in the machines left, is some of the cleanest clothes in all of the USA now with all these tests! 🤣👍
While not my favorite. I am actually really liking the LGs now days. Pretty solid
I got a Whirlpool commercial grade basic top load washer with KNOBS. The side of the cabinet rusted out but the washer still runs after TWENTY FIVE YEARS!
Wow, that's incredible! It seems like the build quality of those old Whirlpool machines was top notch.
@bensappliancesandjunk yes, bought the matching dryer and had to have the thermostat replaced one time, it still runs too.
I want the speed queen washer but unfortunately it’s too expensive for me right now, based on your review which is absolutely thorough I may purchase this one is there a front loader
There are a few front load equivalents, yes. The WM4000 or WM4500 is a great similarly-priced version without too many complex controls on the interfaces. The wash times will be longer than a Speed Queen TC5 for sure, but the wash quality from what I've observed is great. And the overall cost of ownership - thats one I am working on now - is very competitive with a Speed Queen or slightly better even when you factor lifespan + electric usage + water usage for a good quality wash.
I paid 600 bucks for my LG washer on sale at Macys 10 years ago. Mine looks more expensive. I have Allergine and Steam Cleaning options. My tub is 5.2 cu Ft. I would buy another LG but it would probably be the All in one washer dryer front loader.
As a tech the second I saw the shock I know it was gonna bee good
The main boards on these always happen to bad after the warranty is up.
The tide pods should go on the bottom. The amount of time the soap has to disol e in the water can help. Also this is how the bottle, and most people, do it so it would be the best way to test.
Great review. More proof consumer reports is about as relevant as the BBB
Ben 16:38 what are the teal boxes before the water hoses?? Some system that turns water. Off when washer not running??? If so. Do you advise consumer have some setup like that ???
It's my flow meters to check for water usage
I have not seen you test dog hair in washers or dryers. We have a long hair white Huskey and a German Shepherd. Blankets and the like are always COVERED in huskey fur. My 10 yo Samsung dryer struggles even with the bounce pet hair dryer sheets, which help A LOT. The new GE washer we have does nothing for fur. Does any manufacturer even test for that? I'm mostly curious about the GE combo but I know I'm not the only one. Thanks for the testing Ben.
I’ve had good luck with lg. I have a 12 or so year old wt1001. Had to replace the drain pump but no biggie. Just waiting for it to crap so I can get a front load
Those suspension rods will be a pain to change with the dampers down there especially the front it looks like you can access the back one by taking that rear panel off. Will definitely put those pins back in from bottom so to take them out if have to do it again you have to push down instead if pulling the up.
I think if you had 90* angled pliers, it would be quite easy, but I didn't have them nearby when I did this segment. Each pin has a small tab that needs pressed to remove them. I felt it just wasnt worth messing with on a brand new washer to show when I could demonstrate from the rear rather easily.
Will you ever do a comparison of washers with the agitator vs not?
Absolutely just have to have a few to try
Now you need to get an Electrolux on here.
Live your channel
Video idea:
User submitted pre-treat recipes, each applied to multiple stain types (protein & fat heavy, chocolate, coffee, grass, dyes, tannin-heavy, mustard)
Love that one. I have thought a little about that before! Use the same detergents in and out, and then try various pre treats to see which is the best
Maytag had a super jumbo size two years ago. Disappeared in less than a year?
I just ordered a WT6105CW from Costco cuz I was unable to fix my 13 yr old GE GTAN4250M1WS Top Load.
I read that a lot of machines barely add enough water, and some people said the clothes on top don't even get wet. At least this model has a deep fill option besides the auto sense.
I might still try to further diagnose the old one and try and do some board repair. Then I can cancel the new one.
I have the same samsung washer you using in this video to compare, mine is been very good but now the bleach compartment has corroded all around do you have any idea where can l buy the whole top part because l try Samsung web page and its a nightmare, also my machine stops at the start of rinse and spin mode do you have any idea what could be the problem with it, thank you very much if you have the time to reply back to me l really appreciate it.
That washer does not agitate that quickly. Did you speed up the demo?
Depends on the segment. I have the video of 2 or 3 washes that will be posted with everything being real time
FYI pods go in first, the chemicals are dispersed quicker and more evenly
I'll make a note for future ueses
3:48 Hmm, can't you cut the stain test strips through the middle to get more value out of them?
When I think of the three major item areas that people junk washers it is one of these issues. Gearcase failure, main control board failure and suspension UL issues. With that out of big box store brands, I believe and see regularly that LG does best in those areas for top load washers. Drain pumps are their weakness but that is an easy fix. It's amazing how many Whirlpools less than 3 years old I get with bad gearcase and boards.
Exactly. WP is growing to be on my "Do not buy list" as much as it utterly pains me to say that. Their VMW DESIGN is amazing. But they've cheapened it so much, you're rolling the dice if they won't have a board or gearcase failure in 5 years which is wild. Because we routinely get Amana toploads that are 7-9 years old that can be refurbished and resold.
well said
@backinactionllc my LG had a constant error message and then started NOT draining. I had it for 3 yrs. It would have been expensive to have it repaired so opted to give it to the re-furb company.
@@1BethMcBeth None of the major brands are as well made or as reliable as 10-20 years ago. Build quality, materials used and prolific use of electronics looks great but at a cost of reliability. I just know from what I see every day I would go LG
Do more repair videos please!!!!!
Stain strip. Would it make a difference if it was ironed, post wash to make the surfaces the same as before? Tide says to put the pods in first. Do you know why or the difference? Thank you, enjoyed the offering.
I dont know if ironing the strips would help at all. I do always test on a flat surface and flaten out the area where the eye looks at the stain and that does go with shirts as well. I've used the spectrogaph hundreds of times to know that the wrinkles could change scores BUT I tend to do testing near the same area multiple times to ensure the value is a proper median value and we aren't seeing some abberation of a particular value.
Where there IS difficulty is when the machine may do a good job on one area by agitating the crap out of it because it got in a good area... Sometimes a stain strip may have 50% more fading in an area, then regular fading in the rest. Those are hard to make a qualitative judgement on where to look. I usually aim for the middle of the strip usually though as practice as best I can.
@ thank you for clearing that up. Cheers
Detergents always go in first because if the concentrated detergent gets on fabric, it can cause stains from the bleach, optical fabric brighteners, and even the tint dyes.
Is that circuit board potted?
Consumer Repots is history. Long story. LG AC's, that were rated number one when I still subscribed to CR were horrible. I bought 3 a few years back and MAN did I get burned. I never had an LG refrigerator, but I DO know that they were using an inferior compressor for years and just wouldn't get rid of it. I wouldn't buy any LG AC or Refrigerator. Their TV are great because of the WIDE viewing angle and longevity. Have six LG TV's for quite a few years and they're still working perfectly. I absolute LOVE my SPEED QUEEN TC5003WN. Didn't you recommend it? GREAT quality. Wish the capacity was larger. I wouldn't touch LG ever since their compressor rip off with their refrigerators. There was a class action suit and I think the customers won . I only recommend the SPEED QUEEN TC5003WN and the Speed Queen front loader that goes for like twice the price. LOVE your videos. THANKS!
The deep fill being less effective does kind of make sense if you think about it, the detergent is much more diluted. I'm guessing that was just put on for people who complain that HE washes just "don't use enough water"
You're 100% correct I used it intentionally to show the "I need more water" people what actually happens here.
Modern day appliance techs are practically IT specialists
I see an almost identical looking wt7480cl at costco for ~$600 is it the same model just with a different identifier for costco? ive seen that happen before
Yuuuuuuuuuup. Costco usually gets the same models under a goofy model identifier because they're so large, they can get custom runs of the same units for their own special needs. Mora refrigerators are the same way. Mora is a Hisense refrigerator (which are great) under a custom contract.
Any lg model washer that ends with “80” eg. Wm4080, wt7480, they’re all Costco exclusive models
3:00 How often does that happen? People forgetting clothes in their units
I didn’t think that’d ever happen
What do you recommend as best washer and type?? Top load vs Front load? Agitator or not?
So far for all my tests, front loaders wash better, but take longer to get that better performance. In general you have better pre-soak options that do more at least from my tests. Much more efficient as well. But if you gotta get a lot done fast, a good topload may be better.
@@bensappliancesandjunkInteresting! IME, top loaders are better for bulky items because they can soak in more water, plus a front loader can get the bulk item so wrapped that the inside diameter rarely unravels to rub against the other parts of the fabric.
I’m still confused about which washer or settings perform best…..
Settings are always an offset between time, efficiency, and goal. Bad stains need either pre-treatment or pre-soak and a boat load of time (think washing multiple times, but without re-setting the machine, with plenty of soak time).
The reality is that every mode matters... Whats the goal of washing the clothes? Stain removal? Refreshing them generally? That will change what you use and why. Back in the day, companies like Maytag put out books the size of medium sized Bibles on proper laundry cycles, and I think a lot of that has been lost in the "Set and forget" era and mindset. It does still matter, it seems.
Tide Pods vs Costco Kirkland Pods?
That would definitely be an interesting one I may do that at some point
do one withe speed queen 7
I have a TC5 for the next video, and already did a review on the FF7
What's the best low budget simple made , long lasting washer
WT6105 at the moment
@bensappliancesandjunk wt is name brand or LG that model
Washboard in a tub!
@@hotpuppy1 thanks
Why overstuff the dryer? it takes substantially longer than doing 2 or 3 reasonable loads
Im not overstuffing it - its that the dryer is super low capacity, and I mentioned you definitely want to right-size it
@@bensappliancesandjunk
At 10:22 in the video that is definitely overstuffed😂. Half to 2/3 is recommended in a large capacity dryer. That there appears to cover the whole opening in the door. Not trying to be disrespectful, just I've never had any luck drying anything that full even untangling the clothes.
As far as big box units go, LG is by far the best. Trust me, it is painful to say that.
I don't understand. If these washers cannot remove stains, then (which) washers DO actually clean clothes the best, (and by how much) ?
Looking at the wash action in this video shows clothing that just floats or is stuck on top or the sides, and does not get (any) wash treatment at all.
How can a machine clean the clothing if the clothing never moves or even gets wet ?
Its a great question. In my tests, there are generally 2 theories of how to clean clothes:
1) Lots of water and mixing action from a top loader with an impeller. Its fast, but very inefficient because there has to be enough water in between the cloths to get them to mix and agitate frequently.
2) Use a front loader and let gravity do the agitation. The rotational action of the drum, will naturally allow clothes to mix and agitate upon each other. This takes longer, but then you do not need water to act as the mixing agent, only to clean the clothes. Which takes a lot less water to do. However, this takes way more time.
So it ends up being speed vs. efficiency when it comes to real cleaning actions
I purchased a GE washer in November, and the drive system already broke. Current quality standards just aren't there.
[Cries in limited Spacemaker(TM) Laundry]
Wouldnt a bigger agitator clean better? Those clothes didnt seem to move. A bigger agitator would promote up-and-down action on the clothes. Seems to me the clothes on top would get the least clean. Maybe try one of those $25 test strips at the bottom instead of the top?
You'd think. On the test strip - my issue with putting it at the bottom is that if it was better at the bottom, then its not cleaning everything well, which was a reason I put it on top.
Any washers out there that you recommend that have regular controls (NOT digital panel) with an agitator and large drum? I currently have a re-furb GE that does NOT have an agitator and not entirely sure if the clothes are getting clean.😢 Thanks for your input!(I'll provide the model number and edit when I get a chance, if that helps)
You'd have to define "Digital panel". Because thats pretty tricky to explain. They all have electronics behind them now.
Speed Queens are reliable, but generally considered smaller cap with a good agitator. For larger cap, you have options like this in a slightly smaller format like the WT 7105 I think that would be decent. Or you could go commercial with a Maytag MVWP85 or a GE GTW525 which are larger cap, but not as reliable as say, a TC5 would be.
@bensappliancesandjunk I meant with fewer washing cycles....basically more simplistic and NOT those touch screen panels. I had an LG washer before that I traded my Maytag Admiral 2's for. (I'M sorry that I did), but at that time, the LG HE washer (w/o agitator) was ALL the rage with ALL the bells and whistles, which I succumbed to. I STILL have the dryer going strong, but the washer was taken by the refurb company to see if they could repair/offer as a refurb to someone, and I bought the GE re-furb, without the agitator instead. I had picked out a GE with agitator to be delivered to me, however, I believe they switched mine out and offered me one w/o an agitator.
@@1BethMcBeth Ah got it. WT7005 is probably your best bet. Good compromise between size, price, and complexity. Their direct drive systems are simply the best on the market. Although I am not a fan of the clutch system per-se the DD stator is a wildly efficient and reliable design.
@bensappliancesandjunk Which brand?
WT7005 is LG
I don't understand the point of top loaders at this point. Every front loader I've used has cleaned better than my 1988 Whirlpool, even the toy-sized 7kg EU washer at my friend's house when he stuffed it full.
I've learned a thing or two from Bens Appliances and Junk. I've learned that the best washing machine is a Speed Queen TC5. Just sayin'.
I have to ask, how does someone forget to remove their clothing from the dryer when they trade it in to you 🤔
You would be surprised what people leave in stuff. I worked my church's rummage sale and we got a large square coffee table with drawers in. The drawers were full of kid's junk, video tapes, magazines, etc. We dump it all. Six months later at our next sale the person who donated it came in asking if we had the stuff that was in the drawers. They had left their WEDDING VIDEO in it! Sorry Charlie, all gone. We didn't know who had donated it and six months passed. You think we are keeping your trash for eternity? Someone else left important papers in a briefcase. Also dumped in the trash.
I lost confidence in CR about 8 years ago, not sure what happened to them
i work on appliances for a living although i do see LG appliances being more reliable then all other brands other then maybe speed queen i will say i believe maytag has the best washer agitator design for sure i think if this LG unit had the same design as maytag has i honestly believe it would have scored better just like speed queen their agitator design is trash if that was the same design at the maytag would also wash and clean much better for sure unfortunately maytag scores maybe just average for reliability but they make the best style agitator just my opinion
Which style of Maytag? There are multiple, and unless I am thinking wrong, they are all Whirlpool designs...
Three years ago whirlpool had a very sexy looking totally computerized set that would interview you about your clothes.
What did you think of them? They went away really fast.
Glad you aren't being paid by LG for this video.
Consumer reports is based on data from consumers that know NOTHING.. and just do a stupid star rating, which may be okay, but it says nothing about how long they will last.
Consumer Reports can be hit or miss. I wouldn't trust them as the only reliable source for info.
I've had consistantly much better results with a LOT LESS detergent in my 10yo LG washer, typically Tide at a little under the #1 line in the cup for a full load. I usually wash on warm but also sometimes on cold, I do think the issue is traces of detergent residue stays in the fabric otherwise, so the thought of 2-3 tide pods is horrifying to me xD
How in the world are there THAT MANY un-removed clothes?!?!?
Too soon for any appliance group of companies. Gonna wait until 2026 and decide
Wait Wait Wait? People who turn their washer in and forgot the clothes just was inside the washing machine how the hell? lol.
FYI... looking at the washer specs, it is not a HE (high efficiency) washer. It is Energy Star, but not HE. That said, a mediocre or below average washer is no surprise... I'm not a fan of Korean home appliances, especially LG.
HE is defined as having an agitator plate or not by most standards
@@bensappliancesandjunk In this case, this does have an impeller. Regardless, the spec on Lowe's has it indicating a "no" for HE. Near the end of the video, you stated this was an HE washer. This appears to be an honest review of the washer.
@@fialee8 its Energy Star compliant. In general, any energy star appliance has to be HE to get the rating.
The issue is that quite literally, the terminology is nebulous and may not be accurate. Its why I did provide actual water/electricity usages in the soil test spreadsheet that is in the description. Although I don't have WH ratings on every mode, the water usage is all there and you are welcome to look at it versus other washers that are labeled HE that I've tested to make an accurate determination.
Yea imma stick with front loaders. Sorry to say it but I just hate modern top loaders . After the direct drives went out of style and the new stupid HE top loads came in it all went to shit for household washers. A dryer is a dryer it don’t really matter what kind u get except the capacity. Imma buy a speed queen front loaders washer soon and I can’t wait. I’m gonna be a little sad to part with my whirlpool duet steam pair from 2008 but they r starting to fail on us and fixing would be more than buying new probably
Your content is fantastic, and appreciated. But as far as pods go I will not use them, either in the washing machine or dishwasher. Ever. Or tide for that matter.
Interestingly enough tide tends to be #1 on stain removal vs. Price. That and gain
Science says pods are best. Many common enzymes are destroyed (denatured) when they're dried out, they have to remain liquid. Liquid detergents are much better enzymatic cleaners for things like oils and body odors. When you do liquid, components react with each other in storage so they are limited in what they can put in. Pods solve that problem by keeping reactive components apart until time of use.
Too Late! I just purchased a new LG front loader. Seems like all appliances these days are crap
I love LG front loads, so you got a good one!
The back and forth action of the agitation just seems pointless. The impeller flavor of these he top loads still seem better. You can bet the TC5 is going to smoke this LG in wash performance though.
So far in the tests I've done w/ the TC5 it hasn't. It will run quicker, but not better, but I still have about 6 loads to do.
Comforter tests in the TC5 have been outright abysmal though
@ I’ll be interested to see your findings 👍
first, the water is a finite resource so it should not be wasted. second: this washers are made to use as LITTLE as possible water since the cleanliness comes from the clothes scrubbing each other with the minimal soap water and the tub itself. kinda like a frontal load washer. so no wonder a "deep fill" will give the worst results since the clothes are flotating on water. the "deep fill" is an option enabled so people would stop to pause the machine and add water like in older LG top load washers you will see demented people adding water "because the machine is stupid and wont notice its missing water" and i am talking the AI models not the old ones that was basic tech that could get bad over time and do less water than needed.
I do the deep wash testing so everyone has a baseline on what it does. For the TC5 tests, I am doing deep wash options on everything, then running an identical load w/o deep wash to show the actual difference when literally everything else is held to the same requirement.
@@bensappliancesandjunk i do understand and i totally agree with you. just LG has made AI washers to use as minimal water as possible. there for more water less % of cleanliness. is like a fan that the more slow the blades move more air moves, and the fan having a deep turbo mode that the blades go light speed yet little to no air gets moved. same logic but with water and the agitation system.
there is no shortage of water! If you want clean clothes it takes a certain amount of water. Sure, you will have to pay for it
@@glennlazenby6137 there is a shortage of water worldwide. the UN since the year 2000 has asked to all the countries to shut down the fountains and if you want to run them, must be with rain water not potable (drinkable) water. the world is only 3% of sweet (potable) water. the rest is salty water that needs billionaire processes to remove the salt and other bad stuff to be able to be safely drink or used as regular water.
@@aagc1988 desalination plants are the answer, not sure why California is not aggressively pursuing this as other countries should be, as well. My desire for clean clothes and my ability to pay for my water use should not be judged...my choice.