Fundamental vs Advanced Jiu-Jitsu Techniques: Why Some Moves Suck! - Kama Vlog
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“White belt fundamentals executed at a black belt level”... Love that!
I'm a practitioner from the Valente brothers in Miami and our "beginning" class is called Foundations. My first day there I was so taken back because every foundation class had usually 5-6 black belts in there every time and a bunch of every other belt. I asked one of the black belts why and he told me this exact thing you described to me. Foundations is absolutely important.
Greatness comes from mastery of the fundamentals.
I’m a blue belt and I primarily focus on basic/fundamental classes. I am fully aware of the fact that I am not proficient enough yet in order to have a successful application of a more advance move. I want to master the fundamentals first.
If you're a blue belt, don't hold yourself back. Take some advanced classes man. Just dont forget about attending the Fundamentals classes. (Purple)
It’s amazing how many times I can go to the fundamentals class and do the techniques and learn knew aspects. and my professor will add a little detail every so often because after doing them for so many years he is still learning them himself. It makes me always want to attend fundamental classes.
“I fear not the man who has practiced 10000 kicks once but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times”. Bruce Lee.
Thanks for sharing bud, good advice and very well delineated.
Also fear the man hiding a glock
Unfortunately bjj even Id you try to just do the basics. Still has 10000 moves you need to learn.
Please stop saying this quote. I see it everywhere on every BJJ topic it is outplayed beyond words.
Those concepts are how and why I made it to purple in 3 years. And after 5 yrs how I can hold my own technically with a lot of higher belts. A great foundation is king.
There you go.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Being that KJJ is a part of the JJGF, and you recommend Rickson's SDU curriculum, how close is your white-blue fundamental curriculum to the SDU or Gracie Combatives? Great video btw, some real gold in the principle of white belt fundamentals at a black belt level.
I love your video! I've been practiced Jiujitsu for 2 years on and off because I got injured. And then watching others got promoted, I kind of felt embarrassed and disappointed. I didn't know what to do, I started looking for so called 'advanced tequniques' but didn't work, and then I got even more disappointed. Now watching your video, I know. I realize what has been wrong. Thank you for sharing this incredibly enlightening insight!
Amazing video and concept. I received my blue belt at Gracie Barra about two months ago. I had told myself previously that this first year as a blue belt, I am going to perfect what I had learned so far instead of trying to learn a 1000 new techniques. You just reaffirmed what I was thinking. Thank you very much.
Yes always practice the basics....master the basics!!!
K.I.S.S. Keep it simple silly, that's why basic fundamentals are so important in EVERY aspect of life bjj, shooting, training etc. Thanks for sharing, God bless
In my utmost humble opinion.
Truth is spoken here. It is the same I teach my students as well.
“ Advanced are basics done correct “
As well as
“ Everything works once, but I rather apply the things that work most of the times, than the things that work some of the time”
Of course there is always a higher mountain, always more to learn, but the basics are called fundamentals for a reason, it is the same with a building, no matter how gargantuas or beautiful, the foundational sound structural concepts always remains the same.
Sincere regards.
Fellow martial artist
Tom Framnes.
Norway.
Thank you for always making very helpful videos!! Love them!!!
Pure gold! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Great, very useful material!! Thank you, professor!
Thank you for sharing this valuable insight. I was leaning this way subconsciously for awhile but after you articulated it so clearly, I now have a much better grasp of the issue.
Thank you professor Ryan. I greatly appreciate your knowledge and advice.
2:40 *"advanced" techniques vs **9:30** RICKSON!!!!!!!* ❤❤❤
Thanks for explaining this great perspective
This is one of my favorite videos of your. Very well put. Thanks Ryan!
That’s because I tell one of your stories, Professor Jack!
That's right! I feel famous now.
Thanks for sharing this excellent video. These concepts are very important for self defence where fundamentals/success rate may be the difference between life and death.
Another great video. You are able to explain that which should be in the forefront of all instructors minds.
thank you.
Thank you professor. I learned so much.
Very well explained. Thank you.
Real good explanation , never though about IT . IT Put all the learning process in another level .
Literally, was a life mission!
Excellent video, and great reasoning
Totally agree with you. Be good at the basics. Refine and perfect your technique, timing and efficiency in the basics. I see lots of people trying to learn every new fancy technique and overload their brain. I also think everyone needs to find their own path. There are some moves that will just suit you more than others. Its better to focus on those than others.
I got really nervous when you wrote 50/50 on the board. ;) Seriously though, I appreciate your perspective on this. When you are in the fight of your life, fundamentals are usually what will save you. In that kind of situation, the fancy tricks typically go right out the door.
"World class performance is really nothing more than fundamentals done at their full potential."
~Steve Scott
If that’s the case, then I’m wondering why the “tricks” even have a tiny place in your game.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Hey Ryan - I also wanted to thank you for keeping it clean. That allows me to share these videos with students and their families. I appreciate you representing jiu-jitsu without the trash talk and dirty mouth. There really is no need for that.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Not everyone trains for self defense though.
Good self-defense = Good Fundamentals = Good competition game.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I mean yeah, to a degree. Still, I train because I'm a massive nerd and rolling is almost like playing a video game and its really fun.
My school sucks and we have a reputable affiliation and world champion black belt head instructor.
So why does it suck?
Fantastic Video. As a new BJJ practitioner, this is so helpful and encouraging
Believe it or not, if you have direction and discipline, learning Jiu-jitsu is actually pretty easy!
At my school we only have one advanced class a week. My professor has told me the advanced class covers glove work and weapon defenses for self defense. For ground work apparently it's more about chaining the techniques from fundamentals classes together. Eg they defend the americana so you move to the arm bar then defend that so triangle or whatever (I'm still just a white belt haha). And then finally a few "advanced" moves like the new fancy thing
The way my Professor has described it is the advanced class is a place where you can learn how to put your fundamentals together into a complete strategy
Thank you 🙏🏽❤
Great video.
Years ago I trained in a few arts: JKD, Muay Thai, BJJ, and Philippino Stick Fighting. I did this for about 4 years, and my instructor at the time would say the only difference from a white belt technique to a black belt technique was the time. If you go to a legit BJJ school (3) times a week for 10 years, you will be at an advanced level. You may not be a black belt, but you will not be schooled by any white or blue belts. Some of the guys I train with now are purple belts that have been training from the late 1980 - early 1990's. They are not belt hogs, and just want to learn. They still are working on the basic fundamentals. The basic scissor sweep from guard, the basic chokes, the standard figure fours and Americanas. Guess what, they pull them off on everyone. Maybe not at 100% but it is a very low risk to reward ratio for them. Plus a lot of those basic skills are much easier on the body and require a lot less physical requirements to pull off. I am a (1) strip Blue Belt and I have been getting the basic guard scissor sweep on brown belts. Sometimes they just don't expect it. Now they immediately recover and tap me but I have to count my wins when I get them.
Makes sense to me. Let's say it conservatively takes you 10 years to become a black belt. If you work on the fundamentals which you learn in your first couple months, you then have 10 years to practice and master them by the time you reach black. If you focus on all the advanced stuff (leg entanglements, x-guard, de la riva, reverse de la riva, sit-up guard, k-guard, rubber guard, lockdown, berimbolo, worm guard, etc.) then you're still working on a boatload of new stuff into even purple and brown belt. That gives you >5 years to "master" all that stuff before you're a black belt.
I do, though, think you need to train with people who do at least some of those other things, otherwise you'll be caught off guard. And in order to build defense you do need to learn a little bit about how those moves work. But I think it was Jean Jacque Machafo who said, "You need to learn 10,000 moves so you can learn you only need one move."
Fundamentals are key in any art or trade....especially mine...being an oil burner tech...and hvac tech....I use those lessons of hard nights on call and apply it to my training....meaning I drill and train Fundamental training...and keep it that way....and always double check myself before I bow out of the mat and work.....I completely agree with this concept professor!...it works everywhere in life..ty for this post...
So goes in Jiujitsu, so goes in life!
My eyes are opened!
I love it. The answer: bridge, hip escape...then of course how well do you do it and how many variations of it do you have?
It is one answer to almost every problem once you figure it out. 🙏
Awesome.
Basics is where its at...all day everyday anyday
great concepts, but i like jujitsu, not for efficacy but creativity in complexity finding new pathways, variations, combinations... that is the fun part for me.
Great Video
Thank you.
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My instructor taught us that the first techniques we learn in the beginning is what we will take for the rest of our journey through jiujitsu. I found myself beating higher belts from other schools with more effectiveness. I’ve always told people that I help coach, that it’s not enough to be in a position, but it takes even more skill to utilize the position properly. And they all call on core details you learn in hip escapes and maneuvers that is taught in the first class. By the time I found Ricksons’s invisible principles, I was already hooked.
Basically keep it simple with a high level execution and work on the efficiency of the move.
Trained with Rodrigo Vahgi. Black belt under rickson. He would do that to us. Right arm bar, left arm bar, choke ect and do it. He also told us about rickson doing it to him!
You in St Louis? I think one of my students visited your academy last year.
@@KamaJiuJitsu yes. Been awhile since I trained, fell off the wagon so to speak. But bc of Rodrigo through rickson there are so many bjj schools around now!
Did you ever get to see the tape where Saulo rolled with Rickson? I'd love to see it!
I love moves that suck, because if you ever catch someone with one and make them tap, then you get extra points.
That’s pretty funny!
Well said
Stay in motion!😁
Not bad at all , Very intressting Way of seing . This can be appliy to judo to . Keep it basic and simpel but in a high level .
Basics/ fundamentals is the foundation of any sports. Mastering them every single day is the secret to make you the best. The great Kobe practice his basics every single day before he do something else. He trains them to absolute perfection. Yes, he do the advance and the flashy moves but his knowledge about the fundamentals makes him the best. Can you be the best by just focusing on basics??? Yes, absolutely look at Tim Duncan. Different sports same concepts.
Very insightful. Sounds like the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) method
This whole concepts reminds me of Roger Gracie
In other words for a practitioner who just wants to have fun and enjoy Jiu-Jitsu only go to the advanced class and play around with learning lots of stuff and failing a lot. On the other hand if you train solely for competition you can throw out 90% of techniques and focus on becoming flawless at the most effective moves and only the ones necessary to know to face any opponent.
This video perfectly explains why 98% of the jiu jitsu content on UA-cam is trash. It's all videos of "well here's a scenario you'll rarely be in, if your opponent does something stupid then just do this seven point sequence that you won't remember and you'll have a choke".
I really believe in Fundamentals, though there are two basic fundamentals that I think that most players can't hit in the advanced classes, and should be able to. The takedown, specifically a basic throw or sweep. They are fundamental to grappling. If you can't hit in randori, or at a white belt tournament, I wonder sometimes about the complete grapplings skills. The second one is the Scarf Hold. I just believe that the Scarf Hold is so fundamental to grappling, because of the sweep and throw, that clubs disregard the hold for a guard game. I just think those are two areas BJJ sort of just passes over and dismisses because of heavy sports guard games. But both of those are used quite frequently in MMA and Self-Defense. My sons have hit both of those in BJJ tournaments, and poor children don't even understand how devastating it hurts to get thrown, or how many submissions are from the scarf hold. They don't feel threatened by either and usually in complete shock over those kinds of fundamentals. Just thoughts -- everybody has their game.
Hear, hear. As a former Judoka I notice a severe lack of proper takedown technique (both offence and defence) in regular BJJ classes. Everyone's pulling to guard... Until that one guy uchi-mata's into side control! :-)
this is why Rickson doesn't like rubber guard
Gold
How you been, Jack?
@@KamaJiuJitsu Can't complain brother. How are things with you?
You should do a whole video on the discipline it takes to learn BJJ.
i've done several over the last year or two. little bits here and there. but in sum, a lot.
Humm, so there is supposed to be fundamentals class ? We just started in classes with everybody and learn from there, the learning curve is quite high, but the intensity is so high that we learn very quickly.
well said!
now, only 3% will follow this advice. the other 97% will maybe hold on for a few months max, and then fall back into the 'advanced' habits. that's just the way things work unfortunately..
You’re exactly right. Happens all the time.
Rubber guard? Edgie Brah!!!
Great video ... surprised to hear you sat now and arrow is not a fundamental tech?
Depends on which version.
Can you make a list of fundamental white belt concepts?
Your instructor can help you with that.
But the new Student who comes into his first class has UA-cam and says he wants to learn rubber guard and berimbolos 🤣
A lot of places would teach him that.
@@KamaJiuJitsu Most would also explain that he needs to focus on fundamentals.
I'm in my 3rd week. Try an arm bar from the guard that I saw on a UA-cam video. I asked if I did it right, and that I had seen any UA-cam video... "Don't watch UA-cam videos!" Send the instructor and the other wiped out I was rolling with. And that I pointed out that it was the instructor's own UA-cam video. 😂
Just had my first MMA fight and BJJ fundamentals won me that fight (even though I love to strike). Video is on my channel :)
I really want to just be a black belt in fundamentals. Watching Rickson's game comes to mind, as you have said there are levels, and a black belt while having a larger arsenal, should really know these fundamentals to such a intimate degree.
What resource or list of fundamental techniques would you suggest?
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Hey Ryan. For 3yrs I've only taken beginners classes 2X times a week consistently. However, in open mat sessions I've never been able to tap out anyone. I just get smashed every time by the other
white belts that take the advance classes. Just last night a newbie that has only been training at our academy for 2 months tapped me 10X in 20 minutes of sparing. Professor says my progression is the slowest he's seen in 25yrs. Quote..."I'm always behind"! No...I'm not handicapped!
people have varying "Jiu-Jitsu IQ" levels. it's neither good or bad. it just is.
are you still having fun, though?
@@KamaJiuJitsu Yeah, but I kinda feel like a masochist!
ALL practitioners exhibit sado/masochistic tendencies to a certain degree, if you really think about it.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I've said that all martial artists are a bit masochistic because a good partner will say "Yeah that hurt, but lets see if we can make hurt more/sooner..." I noticed that I have a tendancy to start laughing/giggling when something starts to hurt.
and that's why only a very small percentage of us do this kind of stuff.
Great video, thanks. Please lose the MTV hand-held camera though.
Rusty was playing around. Trying stuff here and there. Seeing what works and what doesn’t.
Would be great to have some data to back up the claims from this video.
it would be, huh?
When you say White Belt "Concepts", What do you mean by concepts? Are you referring to techniques (ex. Rear Naked Choke)? Or something else?
Closed guard, escape mount, escape side control, escape back mount, etc, etc.
K, I had to Google Upa escape. Also, did it last night while drilling. Caught my guy completely off guard lol.
Watch Rickson Gracie teach it on budo videos!!
Yeah Ricksons upa is perfection and you can practice it at home!
Okay old man 😂
Stop stating the obvious!
Ok but couldn't you nullify any "fundamental technique" as well, if you take away a key point of control? For example if I prevent you from locking your hands in the guillotine choke you're not choking me. If I take your top hand off of my head in the RNC you're not choking me.
A fundamental concept would be something like, "Establish a stable base and upright posture before attacking from top position." I feel like SBG is more logical on this matter.
When it comes to specific techniques, your success rate is correlated with practice volume more than anything else. Hence why you have specialists in various "advanced techniques" winning repeatedly with those techniques. It comes down to volume of practice and an understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of whatever it is you're practicing.
And here I thought I was the wordy one...
@@KamaJiuJitsu Hey I have to do SOMETHING with my master's degree! 😉
In all seriousness I appreciate your videos, even if I do occasionally disagree a bit. You're putting out some great info.
I don’t know everything. I love hearing other POVs. I learn a lot that way.
Which mean Judo still the best in Newaza and Nage Waza compared to any grappling MartialArts that exist.
You think so? Or is that what you want to believe?
@@KamaJiuJitsu Were there any Jiu Jitsu guy that won Judo Grand Slam? If I am not mistaken there was a Judoka that won ADCC.
who, Travis Stevens? he's also a top-level BJJ black belt, so i don't think he counts.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I just read his articles. There are many Judoka with BJJ Experience win in BJJ Tournament, I am looking for BJJ Purist. I am not debating here, I am just asking if there are any, I will gladly read about his articles. I will look for Travis and his accomplishment.
Bow and Arrow is advanced? Well I did not think that high of myself, lol
Roger subbed Buchecha with it.
That would make it at lease somewhat advanced, no?
@@KamaJiuJitsu It's part of our fundamentals curriculum, that's what I meant. :)
Yeah but, are fundamentals sexy? If it's not sexy... :)
It definitely is! Especially when you crush the newfangled stuff!
Lots of truth here but I think its an insincere philosophy over all. A specific defense made for a specific offense will always stop it. With that in mind, what does "Success rate" really even mean? You will never Upa me if I have your legs in grapevine. Does that mean you aren't technically sound enough in your Upa, or does it mean you need to use a different sequence of techniques to escape?
Long story short, techniques don't exist in a vacuum. Talking about success rates is meaningless when any roll is all about flow between different techniques as much as it is proficiency in those techniques.
Oh, well.
you're basic!