It’s very clear who in the comments have never handled a haute horologerie piece. Sure they’re Veblen goods but the hand finishing is what makes it special. Once you get to this level of collecting, a Rolex is just something you throw on when you don’t want to damage something more valuable
Unless you get the R400 version, I'm with J. Anthony here: get the R32, especially if you can grab a VSPEC-2 or NISMO version. The longer wheelbase of the R33 kinda girlie'd it out. He said, getting into his '06 Forester.....
I enjoyed your feedback of the watch as if it was just a $10k watch. I do think that those people who say that a watch is not worth it, are the same people who cannot afford it or simply cannot appreciate horology and craftsmanship. Of course, I’m speaking from experience! Now, I wouldn’t and couldn’t (in good conscience) spend this much for a watch; but obviously, there are more fortunate people out there who can and would. So cheers to their good fortune!
It really looks fantastic. Although I wouldn't buy it for that kind of money. If had that kind of money to spare maybe. It does look quite fantastic. Really happy to see you uploading on a regular basis again. - Stephan
Let's all just get something out of the way shall we? No Swiss watch is worth its asking price. None. It doesn't matter if it's Patek Philippe or if it's Swatch. The truth is that the Swiss watch industry is not first and foremost a watch industry. It is first and foremost a JEWELRY and IMAGE business. Period. End of story.
The Arcane Arcade 20g of Gold in the rotor ? 35*20= 700 700*(22/24)= 640 usd only in Gold 😅😅😅😅 After you have manifacture and the Mechanism... probabily this watch cost 5000 Dollar for Patek and is on Sale for 33500chf = 35000usd but is the same for a bottle of wine or if you Go in a good Resturant not only for jelwery 😅
I'm on the waiting list for the Patek Philippe 5711 and 5712 and for the haters who are commenting negative it's a watch it is exclusive and everything is valued on prospective when it comes to affordability
After more than 2 years on 2 different waiting lists I decided to buy it from a reseller. Paid 5 grands on top of the official price and now its worth 100% more what I paid. Nice investment great watch
Great video J.Antony. I really like 5712. For me it makes more sense to pay $50K on it other than the 5711 since it has more complications and a cooler design in my humble opinion. Best
Anthony, first off Great Review! My thanks to Bernard Watch for letting you review it. Also, what a great upgrade on the production value. I could see the details on that watch, even the slight scratches at 9:30 and 10:10 on the bezel, and I could see where someone took a polish wheel to the bezel to try to fix the scratches. That being said, I could clearly see the texturing on the dial with the ridges. Also I could see the hand polishing on the corners of the bridge plates. I can really appreciate what it took to design and build that watch. That being said, unless Bill Gates leaves me all of his wealth in is will, I don’t think I will ever own one. Keep up the great work my brother! -Mark
Stunning watch I'm just not sure how this watch 50,000 dollars yes it's thin and unique but it's not worth that money but really appreciate the review top notch as usual 👍
I bought a Nautilus in Filene's Basement in Boston in 1982 for 920 USD. I never liked the watch and preferred to wear my well-worn submariner. The Nautilus doesn't run now. I guess I didn't wear it enough to keep it exercised. The turn off for me was the shape of the watch, it reminded me of an old TV or something. I still have it, and will eventually get it serviced and sell it to fund my retirement interests.
How much do you want for it.? Is it the ref 3700? Original box.? Please reply so we actually believe your post is true...You can post everything on UA-cam.
At this point, I just don’t get it. That said, I have not experienced one in person. I also know I could never afford a watch in this price range. I DO like the dial oayout and don’t see it as too busy at all. The price just floors me.
I like the watch. I love watches. I’d never buy one for the premium that people want in the secondary market. There has become a great disconnect between price and value in the Nautilus line imho
Normally I have a real dislike for any square shape watch however subtle. That said I really like the Nautilus, there's just something about it that I can't define. As for price, if you have the money and can recover the cost or even make a profit on resale, well that's just about as good as it gets.
Enthusiastic and honest review as always. I just don’t like the way the dial is laid out with the sub dials at various places. I’ve also got a hang up over PP not providing something as basic as hacking seconds. Yep, the design is historic and the finishing is top draw and it will hold value, no question about these points. I guess this one just isn’t my taste. Lucky you though, with Bernard Watch letting you do what you do so well. Keep traveling well.
@@AMogus-jr6qk still silly money at that price. But suppose they after a different market rather than your joe average. Grand seiko gmt or diver would do me.
The real reason luxury items have become so unaffordable is because of all the billionaires forking out ridiculous amounts of money to outbid each other. A Ferrari 250 GTO that was $150, 000 (adjusted for inflation) when it was first made sells for tens of millions today. Rich fuckers don't like being told they can't have something, and if another rich fuck wants the same thing and there isn't enough to go around the bidding war ensues and the value of the item skyrockets. I'm assuming this is the same thing Patek is doing; they are artificially keeping the stock of their most desired items low so that they can increase the prices each year and get all the rich cunts throwing money at them and hollering, trampling over one another to get their hands on one. I love watches and Patek, but the prices on the Nautilus are getting a bit ridiculous. Who knows where they will go; will they keep rising or will their value plummet if PP decides to change their business model? I feel like it's too risky of an investment for the average person. Only way to justify such a purchase is if $50k really isn't that much to you.
On the plus side; case design, thickness, exhibition case back, adornment of the movement. On the minus side; a very busy dial, completely uninspired design of the numerals. As for the price; out of my league.
It looks great, this Patek Phillipe. The beauty part is, that just like a fine reproduction of a famous painting, there are some excellent replicas of the Nautilus for those of us that don't have the means to own the real thing. The ability to enjoy a reasonable facsimile of these superlative watches is not such a terrible thing...
It is not my style but it seems ok. I get why somebody would spend the money but we also need to understand who this watch is for. This is not for the person who has to save and save to buy it. This is the kind of price point for those who make more than they can spend. The same way I could never grasp the idea of spending for a Lamborghini for 200k or more. Though some people stretch to buy luxury goods, if a person is not capable of going in the particular normal order and of the equal level of luxury for each item, it is a sign you should not be buying a item out of place from that level of luxury (or it might make you uncomfortable to spend on it). Example would be buying a normal house, normal car, and a normal to low level luxury watch. To spend 50k on a watch, your car and house should reflect an equal difference of equivalency so your house maybe a million dollars and 200k car. When the watch cost more than your car and a quarter your home, it will be a purchase that causes you to think twice.
I like your point of view and I agree, but coming from musical background, I don't really understand paying too much for a car. While good guitars and vintage amps hold and often appreciate in value literally with every year, I ride a Volvo S60 which is worth 1/5 of the gear that is transported inside. That's because I don't feel comfortable spending too much on cars or electronics- something that rarely keeps any value over time. Therefore, I'd be more comfortable spending 8k on a Rolex Submariner 114060 than on a car. I like the feeling that if I ever happen to need the money, I can always get at least 90% of if back even after few years of using, which is almost never the case with cars (unless they are classics)
Tomasz Gutka, well that aspect of buying items comes down to one picking their poison. We all have the things that draw us in. For some its cars and for others it might be something else. Like how you spend a lot on music gear, I once was heavy into photography (which I want to get back into) and accumulated about 10k worth of gear (cameras and lenses) over the years. I know some guys who would never spend more than 100 bucks on a watch, yet do not mind spending 100 bucks on drinks at a bar on a weekend night (which I cannot wrap my head around). So we all have our thing. It is funny because when it comes to watch talk and people talk about whether they could purchase a nice luxury watch, I always come back to the idea that if you get rid of your primary poison for a while, you could probably buy a nice luxury watch.
Is the 5712 worth $50??? Hahaha, how bout the 5711?? I was offered either a 5712R or a 5726 head up for my 5711/1A-010, lol. Short of a life crisis, I will never part with it however the 5711 bubble is crazy. It’s more than doubled from what I paid and while this bubble, like all of them will burst, the price is going to settle well north of what I paid for it and I and the other Patek owners have Patek to thank for that, haha They are second to none, with the possible exception of Rolex, in managing their supply. I prefer the clean face of the date only though it’s an amazing collection. Cheers🍻 RP
This watch was literally created to reinforce the difference between cheap and luxury watches and priced with this in mind. The price was artificially inflated many many times more than regular Swiss watches simply because people will pay for "luxury" if the price is high enough. Is it a nice watch? Yes. Is it worth anywhere near $50,000? Of course not - being overpriced is the entire raison d'etre of the watch!
White Mail Privilege it is. You don’t buy this watch to wear daily. It’s an investment like buying gold. With the difference that this doesn’t loose worth
10-15 k, yeah maybe. 40-50, no. But some trouser stain with no regard for money will surely have one and I'm sure that's 90 % of their whole customer base.
for my personal taste...Audemars Piguet RO > Nautilus. .. so I wouldnt spend the money. If I wanted a porthole design, or Genta inspired design, and didn't want to spend for a RO, I'd probably just pick up the Piaget polo s until i could afford the RO
Patek and watch communities are trying hard as they can to make this watches as iconic as possible. same goes for AP Royal Oak...if you are paying that much for Artistic and aesthetics of a watch I would definitely get an A. Lange and Sohne.
For less money I would take an AP Royal Oak if I wanted a watch from the same designer, and IMO a better looking watch.. I don't think the PP are worth what they are going for. If I were to spend the same money, I would take a Lange any day over a PP
the answer is no,any watch you pay more than $500 unless is gold is not worth ,my next buy will be a Casio oceanus,amazing watch prolly the best around
For $50.000 i would buy a beautiful collection of watches. Not one. Rolex Submariner 7000 Rolex Explorer I 6000 Rolex Explorer II 6500 Grand Seiko Snowflake 6000 Omega Speedmaster 3500 Tudor Black Bay 3000 IWC Ingenieur 4500 And then some.. :-)
As mentioned both here and in previous videos, some of his reviewed watches (including this one) are loaned to him by Bernard Watch for this purpose. There's a link to that establishment in the description as well.
Sure, a video may be difficult as I keep most of them in a vault when I don't wear them so I don't have them all on hand at once. You can see them in my instragram posts. The watches I wear the most are as follows... Rolex Explorer II 16570, Rolex GMT Master II 16710, Panerai PAM 287, Breitling Navitimer A13322, Omega Seamaster 2531.80, Seiko Monster SRP307J1, Seiko Sumo "Blumo", Seiko Presage Cocktail, Hamilton Trent Automatic and a half dozen more that I don't really wear...
Thank you for the quick response, I appreciate you taking the time. I see that your tastes have changed. Would you mind explaining what got your back into the higher tier watches?
I stopped caring what people thought and decided to buy what I like as long as I could get it for a fair deal and it would be reliable and hold it's value in case I wanted to sell it. All the watches I own meet that criteria.
It’s overpriced. It’s a 20-30 piece. Using 314 steel is a deal breaker for me. At least have a proprietary stainless that’s an upgrade to regular dinner fork stainless.
Its too much for a watch! I get it its patek its another pancake of swiss watches. it’s actually my grail 5712 lots of complication in a small package. It does retain value if you wanna flip it though but this is for next level lifestyle.
5712 Chinese super clon all functions working properly have been launched, just minimal details different… price? 750 bucks, that’s the real monetary value of this piece, all extra money is about branding, marketing, and ego… PP… no thanks
The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712 is a beautiful watch but it is not my style a watch. Patek Philippe Nautilus looks like a 1970s watch. I prefer more modern looking watches like Vacheron Constantin Overseas and Audemars Piguet Royal Oak. I am not going to pay $50,000 for a stainless steel Patek Philippe Nautilus when I can buy gold Rolex Submariner or Yachtmaster with gold bracelets for $30,000. If I am spending $50,000 in a watch it have to be a gold watch.
the watch is not 50k.... its $39,870.00... quote the new watch price.. not the second hand market.... those are over inflated prices.... now if u wanna title this video “Is the 5712 worth 50k on the second hand market?” then ok.... in that case u might as well name it “Is the 5712 worth 80k on the second market?” cause ive seen that price just as many times as 50k...
There is not a Patek AD that will sell this watch for MSRP. So that’s nice that you can look up prices on a web site, but you have no understand of what the dealer is going to quote you when you walk in. Not to mention the waiting list and the fact that if you don’t own 3 or 4 Pateks already, they really don’t care to talk to you. So you can talk about 40k all you want, that’s cute.
@@JakeAikens wats "cute" jake is that u talk out ur A$$. seeing that i OWN a 5712 and it bought from my AD at MRSP... and the following yr... what? phone rings and its my patek AD again.... "hello sir we have your 5168-010 ready for you".... yes... im "that" guy...
I am a fan o Gerald Genta as well ,,,I had to go with the royal oak,,,it is heavy ,,,other than that i love it,,,the Nautilus is a grail of mine for sure,,,I'm chasing the holy trinity,,so far I have the Royal oak,,and vacheron constantin malte perpetual,,, its a lovely thing horology,. I believe that if you are into horology it says something about a person,,they are usually complex ppl,,, know what they like type of person...what do you think ,j?
The issue with watch is not only the preposterous price but also that it is very common. You see it all the time, almost as bad as the the Submariner. That makes it very ordinary. The design is cool though. P.S. subsceonds are not a complication, Center seconds are.
I don't know maybe I am missing something but the Nautilus to me is Bone Ugly. I would rather have an Amazing Aragon Virtuoso with the ETA 2824 Movement which is a Tough as Nails Dive Watch. Great Review and Thanks for sharing.
Can't stop staring at the bezel scratch
Right!
as a Seiko fan, I LOVE this watch, but not for that kinda money. the design is insane. thanks JA
It’s very clear who in the comments have never handled a haute horologerie piece. Sure they’re Veblen goods but the hand finishing is what makes it special. Once you get to this level of collecting, a Rolex is just something you throw on when you don’t want to damage something more valuable
Next time anybody complains about the Seiko SKX or 5 not hacking let‘s all tell them: Neither does a 39k Nautilus.
It's nice but for 50k, I'd rather import an R33. Ahh that sweet, sweet RB26DETT sound.
+minitwatch hell yes!!! That is the best response. I’ve been eyeing an R32....and well only 6ish more years until R34!!!
Unless you get the R400 version, I'm with J. Anthony here: get the R32, especially if you can grab a VSPEC-2 or NISMO version. The longer wheelbase of the R33 kinda girlie'd it out.
He said, getting into his '06 Forester.....
Worst GTR of all time.
Lol import it and you lose money everyday idiot. Obviously your not a multi millionaire
I enjoyed your feedback of the watch as if it was just a $10k watch. I do think that those people who say that a watch is not worth it, are the same people who cannot afford it or simply cannot appreciate horology and craftsmanship. Of course, I’m speaking from experience! Now, I wouldn’t and couldn’t (in good conscience) spend this much for a watch; but obviously, there are more fortunate people out there who can and would. So cheers to their good fortune!
that scratch on the bezel take 40k off ill think about it.
b kinseb Right
b kinseb it’s replaceable, and quite cheap actually, especially for people who can afford that piece
Recently got a Jean Richard. The design really reminds me of the Nautilus. Its no Patek but awesome value and case quality
It really looks fantastic. Although I wouldn't buy it for that kind of money. If had that kind of money to spare maybe. It does look quite fantastic. Really happy to see you uploading on a regular basis again.
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Let's all just get something out of the way shall we? No Swiss watch is worth its asking price. None. It doesn't matter if it's Patek Philippe or if it's Swatch. The truth is that the Swiss watch industry is not first and foremost a watch industry. It is first and foremost a JEWELRY and IMAGE business. Period. End of story.
aahchoo1 Just like every other industry
You can say this with nearly every product in the world... Cars, Clothes, Nutrition...
Not so much with cars as much it is with watches. This fucking watch cost a max of 1000 dollars for its creation.
The Arcane Arcade 20g of Gold in the rotor ? 35*20= 700
700*(22/24)= 640 usd only in Gold 😅😅😅😅 After you have manifacture and the Mechanism... probabily this watch cost 5000 Dollar for Patek and is on Sale for 33500chf = 35000usd but is the same for a bottle of wine or if you Go in a good Resturant not only for jelwery 😅
No
J. wow - - never had a up close and personal look, i am very impressed. if i could i would buy in a minute. thanks
I'm on the waiting list for the Patek Philippe 5711 and 5712 and for the haters who are commenting negative it's a watch it is exclusive and everything is valued on prospective when it comes to affordability
Good luck !
After more than 2 years on 2 different waiting lists I decided to buy it from a reseller. Paid 5 grands on top of the official price and now its worth 100% more what I paid. Nice investment great watch
Great video J.Antony.
I really like 5712.
For me it makes more sense to pay $50K on it other than the 5711 since it has more complications and a cooler design in my humble opinion.
Best
Anthony, first off Great Review! My thanks to Bernard Watch for letting you review it. Also, what a great upgrade on the production value. I could see the details on that watch, even the slight scratches at 9:30 and 10:10 on the bezel, and I could see where someone took a polish wheel to the bezel to try to fix the scratches. That being said, I could clearly see the texturing on the dial with the ridges. Also I could see the hand polishing on the corners of the bridge plates. I can really appreciate what it took to design and build that watch. That being said, unless Bill Gates leaves me all of his wealth in is will, I don’t think I will ever own one. Keep up the great work my brother! -Mark
Thanks Mark, always good to hear from you.
Patek makes some of the most beautiful watches on the market. They have a terrific website. I like their Calatrava, Gondolo, and Aquanaut lines
I prefer the standard three hand version. This is a touch messy looking imo
Stunning watch I'm just not sure how this watch 50,000 dollars yes it's thin and unique but it's not worth that money but really appreciate the review top notch as usual 👍
Thank you!
It's not 50
I rather like the nautilus and aquanaut however I'd be more willing to buy an AP royal oak with the finances I have. Is it worth it? Not for me.
danfrisco absolutely,,,I have the 15400 ,my wife and daughter got it for my birthday,,and I look at it in awe ,often
I bought a Nautilus in Filene's Basement in Boston in 1982 for 920 USD. I never liked the watch and preferred to wear my well-worn submariner. The Nautilus doesn't run now. I guess I didn't wear it enough to keep it exercised. The turn off for me was the shape of the watch, it reminded me of an old TV or something. I still have it, and will eventually get it serviced and sell it to fund my retirement interests.
J.R. Regenold I love the watch and if I had the kind of disposable cash to buy one, I would. You got very lucky buying it when you did.
I’ll give you 925 USD right now
How much do you want for it.? Is it the ref 3700? Original box.? Please reply so we actually believe your post is true...You can post everything on UA-cam.
Lovely piece! But no seconds hack would really annoy me. Basically means you can never really set the time right.
Roots Pablow my Seiko NH35 is even hackable 😂
At this point, I just don’t get it. That said, I have not experienced one in person. I also know I could never afford a watch in this price range. I DO like the dial oayout and don’t see it as too busy at all. The price just floors me.
Obviously it’s all relative but if you can afford it it’s for sure worth it , especially if you pay retail. Very special piece .
I like the watch. I love watches. I’d never buy one for the premium that people want in the secondary market. There has become a great disconnect between price and value in the Nautilus line imho
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, everything is great except the design not a G. Genta fan, but great watch overall
Beautiful watch.....I shot my my money on the Patek 5960r chrono in rose gold few years back...so no Nautilusfor me :(
The 5960r is a timeless dress watch. You have your Rolex's for daily wear so I think you will be alright :)
Normally I have a real dislike for any square shape watch however subtle. That said I really like the Nautilus, there's just something about it that I can't define. As for price, if you have the money and can recover the cost or even make a profit on resale, well that's just about as good as it gets.
This review is the Bomb! I prefer this to the 5711
It’s now $100K
160k
@@pussylord69 back to 100k
I love everything about the piece ...would I buy one .why not..
Enthusiastic and honest review as always. I just don’t like the way the dial is laid out with the sub dials at various places. I’ve also got a hang up over PP not providing something as basic as hacking seconds. Yep, the design is historic and the finishing is top draw and it will hold value, no question about these points. I guess this one just isn’t my taste. Lucky you though, with Bernard Watch letting you do what you do so well. Keep traveling well.
Thanks Mark, I always appreciate your perspective!
mark percival hacking seconds? Really?
Love at first sight for me man, this watch is perfect
Did you get a chance to measure for accuracy
This is my favourite watch ever 5712 but with black leather strap.
50000 taking the piss these watchmakers, I love my watches but this is just stupid money 🤔🤔🤔🤔
That's not the price it's around 35 k retail
@@AMogus-jr6qk still silly money at that price. But suppose they after a different market rather than your joe average. Grand seiko gmt or diver would do me.
Nice video mate
I don't like the Nautilus or the Royal Oak....never did...and the fact that rappers have ruined them even more makes me giggle inside.
The real reason luxury items have become so unaffordable is because of all the billionaires forking out ridiculous amounts of money to outbid each other. A Ferrari 250 GTO that was $150, 000 (adjusted for inflation) when it was first made sells for tens of millions today. Rich fuckers don't like being told they can't have something, and if another rich fuck wants the same thing and there isn't enough to go around the bidding war ensues and the value of the item skyrockets. I'm assuming this is the same thing Patek is doing; they are artificially keeping the stock of their most desired items low so that they can increase the prices each year and get all the rich cunts throwing money at them and hollering, trampling over one another to get their hands on one. I love watches and Patek, but the prices on the Nautilus are getting a bit ridiculous. Who knows where they will go; will they keep rising or will their value plummet if PP decides to change their business model? I feel like it's too risky of an investment for the average person. Only way to justify such a purchase is if $50k really isn't that much to you.
On the plus side; case design, thickness, exhibition case back, adornment of the movement. On the minus side; a very busy dial, completely uninspired design of the numerals. As for the price; out of my league.
Yes it’s bloody worth it, because in Australia, I guarantee you ,it would be worth double the price or thereabouts.
A very professional review, thumbs up
I love PP. They, Lange and JLC are *my* holy trinity ... Rolex *just* misses out ...
It looks great, this Patek Phillipe. The beauty part is, that just like a fine reproduction of a famous painting, there are some excellent replicas of the Nautilus for those of us that don't have the means to own the real thing. The ability to enjoy a reasonable facsimile of these superlative watches is not such a terrible thing...
For that 50K price, i prefer more Grönefeld 1941 Remontoire watch that have more complex beautiful dial & movement to see.
It is not my style but it seems ok. I get why somebody would spend the money but we also need to understand who this watch is for. This is not for the person who has to save and save to buy it. This is the kind of price point for those who make more than they can spend. The same way I could never grasp the idea of spending for a Lamborghini for 200k or more. Though some people stretch to buy luxury goods, if a person is not capable of going in the particular normal order and of the equal level of luxury for each item, it is a sign you should not be buying a item out of place from that level of luxury (or it might make you uncomfortable to spend on it). Example would be buying a normal house, normal car, and a normal to low level luxury watch. To spend 50k on a watch, your car and house should reflect an equal difference of equivalency so your house maybe a million dollars and 200k car. When the watch cost more than your car and a quarter your home, it will be a purchase that causes you to think twice.
I like your point of view and I agree, but coming from musical background, I don't really understand paying too much for a car. While good guitars and vintage amps hold and often appreciate in value literally with every year, I ride a Volvo S60 which is worth 1/5 of the gear that is transported inside. That's because I don't feel comfortable spending too much on cars or electronics- something that rarely keeps any value over time. Therefore, I'd be more comfortable spending 8k on a Rolex Submariner 114060 than on a car. I like the feeling that if I ever happen to need the money, I can always get at least 90% of if back even after few years of using, which is almost never the case with cars (unless they are classics)
Tomasz Gutka, well that aspect of buying items comes down to one picking their poison. We all have the things that draw us in. For some its cars and for others it might be something else. Like how you spend a lot on music gear, I once was heavy into photography (which I want to get back into) and accumulated about 10k worth of gear (cameras and lenses) over the years. I know some guys who would never spend more than 100 bucks on a watch, yet do not mind spending 100 bucks on drinks at a bar on a weekend night (which I cannot wrap my head around). So we all have our thing. It is funny because when it comes to watch talk and people talk about whether they could purchase a nice luxury watch, I always come back to the idea that if you get rid of your primary poison for a while, you could probably buy a nice luxury watch.
Venus Dee Well said 👍👍
Werent these like 35K a year or so ago?
Still are
That is a gorgeous watch
Is the 5712 worth $50???
Hahaha, how bout the 5711??
I was offered either a 5712R or a 5726 head up for my 5711/1A-010, lol.
Short of a life crisis, I will never part with it however the 5711 bubble is crazy. It’s more than doubled from what I paid and while this bubble, like all of them will burst, the price is going to settle well north of what I paid for it and I and the other Patek owners have Patek to thank for that, haha
They are second to none, with the possible exception of Rolex, in managing their supply.
I prefer the clean face of the date only though it’s an amazing collection.
Cheers🍻
RP
i own one, and it is the perfect everyday all purpose watch
doesn't hack
Stephen Murphy Patek don’t do hacking ,apparently.
Stephen Murphy And your point is???
That's why Seiko is superior.
This watch was literally created to reinforce the difference between cheap and luxury watches and priced with this in mind. The price was artificially inflated many many times more than regular Swiss watches simply because people will pay for "luxury" if the price is high enough.
Is it a nice watch? Yes. Is it worth anywhere near $50,000? Of course not - being overpriced is the entire raison d'etre of the watch!
Very nice video👏
+Andrei Andrei Thank you!
I will never understand the hype, that dial looks too busy!.
No. It is not worth $50k
White Mail Privilege it is. You don’t buy this watch to wear daily. It’s an investment like buying gold. With the difference that this doesn’t loose worth
10-15 k, yeah maybe. 40-50, no. But some trouser stain with no regard for money will surely have one and I'm sure that's 90 % of their whole customer base.
C Mac 83 I have to agree just can't see 50 grand there I agree 10-15 maybe 👍
C Mac 83 That goes for most watch. Best example is Rolex...
10-15 😂😂 nah man
My OCD doesn’t like the unsymmetrical dial. I prefer the 5711.
for my personal taste...Audemars Piguet RO > Nautilus. .. so I wouldnt spend the money. If I wanted a porthole design, or Genta inspired design, and didn't want to spend for a RO, I'd probably just pick up the Piaget polo s until i could afford the RO
They’re going for closer to 200k usd now. Madness
Look. All great amazing watch but the current hype is unjustified. Paying over retail is never going to happen as far as I am concerned.
Patek and watch communities are trying hard as they can to make this watches as iconic as possible. same goes for AP Royal Oak...if you are paying that much for Artistic and aesthetics of a watch I would definitely get an A. Lange and Sohne.
Looks like the owner tried to polish that bezel on his own.
Love Genta
For less money I would take an AP Royal Oak if I wanted a watch from the same designer, and IMO a better looking watch.. I don't think the PP are worth what they are going for. If I were to spend the same money, I would take a Lange any day over a PP
I think the watch is great. I have seen it once in person. But 50k? I just don't see the value. Even if you love the design.
The F91 is only 8.5 mm thick and is guaranteed to depreciate no more than $10.
the answer is no,any watch you pay more than $500 unless is gold is not worth ,my next buy will be a Casio oceanus,amazing watch prolly the best around
Unfortunately, most of the plebs writing derogatory remarks, wouldn’t know quality, if it came and bit them in the bum. Go and watch a Swatch blog.
That's right, Chris.
I heard somewhere these were intended for women and the maker didn’t care for watches much ?
If I were to spend that kind of money on a watch I would go for a Lange.
Non hacking & push pin bracelete! Let that sink in
For $50.000 i would buy a beautiful collection of watches. Not one.
Rolex Submariner 7000
Rolex Explorer I 6000
Rolex Explorer II 6500
Grand Seiko Snowflake 6000
Omega Speedmaster 3500
Tudor Black Bay 3000
IWC Ingenieur 4500
And then some.. :-)
It's not 50000
Sorry, but what do you do for a living to afford such expensive items?
As mentioned both here and in previous videos, some of his reviewed watches (including this one) are loaned to him by Bernard Watch for this purpose. There's a link to that establishment in the description as well.
I understand the heritage and craftsmanship of PP watches - but Jesus this thing looks like a bad 1970s hangover. To each their own I guess.
I don't get it, you said before you won't buy more expensive watches...?
Yes, many years ago I did say that. Now I own several expensive and cheap watches....my tastes have changed...maturity maybe haha
I'm curious to hear what has got you back into expensive watches? Can you do a status of the collection in the comments or through a video? Thanks!
Sure, a video may be difficult as I keep most of them in a vault when I don't wear them so I don't have them all on hand at once. You can see them in my instragram posts. The watches I wear the most are as follows... Rolex Explorer II 16570, Rolex GMT Master II 16710, Panerai PAM 287, Breitling Navitimer A13322, Omega Seamaster 2531.80, Seiko Monster SRP307J1, Seiko Sumo "Blumo", Seiko Presage Cocktail, Hamilton Trent Automatic and a half dozen more that I don't really wear...
Thank you for the quick response, I appreciate you taking the time. I see that your tastes have changed. Would you mind explaining what got your back into the higher tier watches?
I stopped caring what people thought and decided to buy what I like as long as I could get it for a fair deal and it would be reliable and hold it's value in case I wanted to sell it. All the watches I own meet that criteria.
NO!!
If you can wait for the waiting list you can get something around 30k
amazing
Ahhh Gérald Genta the guy who sold essentially the same design to 5 or 6 brands and yet it was still classsed as new and unique
It’s overpriced. It’s a 20-30 piece. Using 314 steel is a deal breaker for me. At least have a proprietary stainless that’s an upgrade to regular dinner fork stainless.
That's my Grail
No watch is worth $50k. The most I would spend is $25k-$30k maybe .
That's literally the price
6 years later and its 100k usd in grey
Its too much for a watch! I get it its patek its another pancake of swiss watches. it’s actually my grail 5712 lots of complication in a small package. It does retain value if you wanna flip it though but this is for next level lifestyle.
if you can find one for 50K ;)
5712 Chinese super clon all functions working properly have been launched, just minimal details different… price? 750 bucks, that’s the real monetary value of this piece, all extra money is about branding, marketing, and ego… PP… no thanks
The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712 is a beautiful watch but it is not my style a watch. Patek Philippe Nautilus looks like a 1970s watch. I prefer more modern looking watches like Vacheron Constantin Overseas and Audemars Piguet Royal Oak. I am not going to pay $50,000 for a stainless steel Patek Philippe Nautilus when I can buy gold Rolex Submariner or Yachtmaster with gold bracelets for $30,000. If I am spending $50,000 in a watch it have to be a gold watch.
MY front how much it will come
the watch is not 50k.... its $39,870.00... quote the new watch price.. not the second hand market.... those are over inflated prices.... now if u wanna title this video “Is the 5712 worth 50k on the second hand market?” then ok....
in that case u might as well name it “Is the 5712 worth 80k on the second market?” cause ive seen that price just as many times as 50k...
There is not a Patek AD that will sell this watch for MSRP. So that’s nice that you can look up prices on a web site, but you have no understand of what the dealer is going to quote you when you walk in. Not to mention the waiting list and the fact that if you don’t own 3 or 4 Pateks already, they really don’t care to talk to you. So you can talk about 40k all you want, that’s cute.
@@JakeAikens wats "cute" jake is that u talk out ur A$$. seeing that i OWN a 5712 and it bought from my AD at MRSP... and the following yr... what? phone rings and its my patek AD again.... "hello sir we have your 5168-010 ready for you".... yes... im "that" guy...
love it!
I thought are were going to review the watch.
I am a fan o Gerald Genta as well ,,,I had to go with the royal oak,,,it is heavy ,,,other than that i love it,,,the Nautilus is a grail of mine for sure,,,I'm chasing the holy trinity,,so far I have the Royal oak,,and vacheron constantin malte perpetual,,, its a lovely thing horology,. I believe that if you are into horology it says something about a person,,they are usually complex ppl,,, know what they like type of person...what do you think ,j?
Yeah, I think a watch speaks volumes about the person wearing it. It gives insight into what they value in life.
The issue with watch is not only the preposterous price but also that it is very common. You see it all the time, almost as bad as the the Submariner. That makes it very ordinary. The design is cool though. P.S. subsceonds are not a complication, Center seconds are.
where the fuck do u live ?on rodeo dr.? i have never seen a 5712 that was not on my wrist . it is NOT common.
The materials to make this watch is probably less than a thousand bucks. 50 thousand, you must be a damn fool
its worth 100k now lol
No
199,950 dollars right now according to Watchbox
As nice as it is i just dont like it.
says he's a fan of horology and the details that go into a piece like this....proceeds to put it on his right wrist.... haha ok buddy.
Doesn't mean anything dumbass
For that much money and the bezel is a scratch magnet! No thanks.
Of course not !!
I don't know maybe I am missing something but the Nautilus to me is Bone Ugly. I would rather have an Amazing Aragon Virtuoso with the ETA 2824 Movement which is a Tough as Nails Dive Watch. Great Review and Thanks for sharing.
Timemachine Eddie man wtf....stick to your garbage mate...get off this channel.
Yo! Beauregard Old Boy. Stick to your "Barbies."
Timemachine Eddie Barbies loool you feeling ok....id cherish barbies which are worth 10000 times more than the garbage on your wrist.
Matter of tastes. I guess. But this is a refined piece of art in eyes of many including myself.
João Ribeiro i own a toilet and i love it and take pride in it.
Very 70s, very ugly, very busy, very overpriced.
No watch is worth 50k. Never.
RTaeuber it’s an investment but 99% do not understand it.
You’re wrong, there are watches retailing well over 50K.
What about 750k RM?