Old Steam Powered Machine Shop 60: PLANER ON STEAM
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Video #60 describing a steam powered 1925 machine shop that I assembled to demonstrate and discuss how things were powered and the machine work that built and maintained all mechanized countries of the world during that era. Reconditioning and setting up the 1897 Whitcomb eight foot planer to do useful work has been quite an education. Thanks to all the loyal viewers of this channel and a special thanks to those who supplied the interest, physical help, suggestions and donated to this project. Without it this planer would never have come here.....Dave
I always find it amazing how things were done mechanically and can only imagine the time it took to develop and combine the ideas that made things like this possible. From water power to steam until electricity made it possible to individually power each machine and eventually individual parts of each machine. Drawing ideas on paper and all of the time it took to put ideas into a drawing and finding that it won't work and spend hours drawing it up again. Back to the drawing board was a common phrase. Today, things can be designed on a computer and changes made in seconds instead of hours.
Excellent comment. Each generation gets to stand on the shoulders of those that went before. I see a lot of people take that for granted. So many hundreds and thousands of long gone very smart people got us where we are today in every facet of technology and engineering. We owe every modern convenience to so many people we never heard of.
This is the first time I’ve ever seen a plainer in action,it’s a beautiful machine to watch.Thank you for your time and trouble to bring it to us!!!!
That was the idea (and to build steam engines). Thanks for watching....Dave
I have never seen modern footage of a planer running. Sure it's noisy but if you were over 100 you'd be creeaky too. Thanks, great content!
It's noisy, that's one of the reasons why Whitcomb went to a side belt the next year. ...Dave
we use one every day for beveling edges for welding. its perfect for that. fast too.
The best part of my vacation was getting home and seeing this video and your (our) planer running under steam power again, your skills amaze me and what you don't know you find out in short order, I know for one I wouldn't have the skills to do what you have done here. You have saved things for future generations to witness I hope you have some one who will be ready to establish your shop as a museum to be visited for many years to come. The Discovery channel or some other venue should run this series on an ongoing basics.
Again I can't thank you enough for the effort you put into this and all your projects.
Absolutely amazing, really enjoyed the series I don't know what it is with these old machines it's almost like they are alive when you watch them working, just one thing, you forgot to wind up your clock😉😊
Yeah, about every 5 days...Dave
Clearly time to power the clock by steam.
12 months ago I heard Americans and Canadians using the expression millwright, I was not familiar with it.
So after some research and your explanation I understand the term.
Dave Richards MILLWRIGHT .
The old shop has a whole new sound and rhythm , beautiful job Dave !
Thanks again Dave for saving an important piece of machining history from the scrap yard.
Hi Walt, And that's exactly where it was headed....Dave
Dave, in my younger days my family had a feed store, we milled all the grain in house, every thing ran on line shafts (no steam ) but a huge 3 phase motor up in the roof its still there, apart from grain crushing and grinding, there where oat rollers and stock food mixers plus an overhead winch for loading bags of grain upstairs all off the line shaft,,one motor did everything in the place..brought back a lot of memory’s replacing and joining the leather belts. Regards Frank
Thanks for the great comment Frank....Dave
Awesome!!!
YES !
Man I sure am glad someone talked you into recording your shop. I'm impressed to say the least. Jealous is an understatement. Thank you sir!
Outstanding Dave! I don't know how many living people could have pulled that off but I know that there aren't very many. I'm looking forward to seeing what you make with it.
You put a lot of work into getting the old girl back together and running the line shafts. It's good to see her running again. Congratulations Dave. Thanks for sharing and have a fantastic day!
Sick! I know I'm still a yar behind, but slowly working through your uploads. This is so cool to see up and running. Congrats! I'll be caught up soon.
I must be hallucinating. Sure seems that planer is smiling and saying 'Thanks, I am alive again'.
Beautiful to see that big table stroke without effort. Great job Dave.
Thanks for sharing.
I've lost track of the number of problems you had to solve during this project, and I'm sure you didn't even show all of them. Great to see it finally coming to completion. Further proof of your skill and persistence.
Thank you David for keeping me alive it’s your videos. I really look forward to your channel. Here in the nursing home your right up there with spaghetti meatballs and fresh baked bread ! 👍🇺🇸🍞⚙️
I'm doing catch up from 1 to 60 so far ... So good to see this Planer running. Great work Dave. As a Jack of all trades, Master of none, I'm admiring your work. I'll go watch the rest of this one now :)
WHOOOOOOOO!
Sorry...I was excited.
Frigging Awesome Dave !!👍👍👍👍👍🙂 It is fantastic to see the planer making chips under steam power. The power train from the steam engine through the belts and line shafts is as fascinating to me as the planer operation itself. I'm so pleased to have been a very small part in making this happen. Thank you so much for all your hard work and taking the time to document it so we can all enjoy it. Cheers, Alan.
Thanks David...You sure have done a ton...Of work,got it running good l see...Once again thanks very much...!...PS youtube seams to be cutting your video back on quality is says 1920x1080...But it is only 720p at best...!
Hi Steve: Try clicking on the gear icon at the bottom, then "settings". click the 1080 HD. You have to set it up at your end. Thanks again for watching.....Dave
@@davidrichards5594 Yes David l know that my friend...l have been building Computers since the 1980's off and on...ln my laters years have been doing lt quite often now for people....When it comes to video cards and high definition l know my stuff....lt is youtube for one reason or another they are throliting it back on a lot of videos....More often on the ones that don't have ads....Keep up the good work...Have fun thanks..!
@@davidrichards5594 Done some research David....lt could be your camera and the pixes it has....Not all 1080's are the same...The Gopor 1080's produce a very high quality 1920x1080...Older camera's do not do this at 1020x1080 not saying use a GoPro but just for your information...! No matter what you got is fine with with me....!!
Watching your old planer work, it gave a me new appreciation for word "machinist" Dave. Well done.
Hi Dave, the second time I have watched this, fascinating and a slower pace of life back in the day. However, it could be that their was a lot more varied skills required of machinists too. Working all a shop’s machines from one engine meant everything had to be done right. Again, thanks for all the work you put into what will become history one day in the future-a valuable resource for others. Regards from Tasmania 42 South. Stay safe.
I spent the last few years of my working career keeping a fleet of logging trucks running.
I spent more time running around with a laptop plugging into the truck to see what was going on then I did repairing the stupid things.
Then I look at something like Dave's shop.
How simple things are.
I'm not saying that I want to go back to the days of steam, but Dang!
Excellent David! I know that you have a little more work to get the Planer to where you want it but it looks great. Although I've seen planers in museums, that's the first time I've seen one making chips. Thank you!
Definitely brought a smile , I really appreciate the effort. I'm sure you have a lot of projects in mind , you know I can almost feel the floor vibrate when that thing starts a cut it's a wonderful thing. Thanks Dave always enjoy your program.
Awesome video! Thank you for sharing.
Hi, Millwright Dave, what a brilliant outcome, not only have you restored the planer, but made it steam driven, which must be a rare achievement in this day and age. I take my hat off to you, and thank you for sharing- it was well worth the wait. From ‘down under’ in Tasmania, 👍👍👍🇦🇺
Hi Shevill, Thanks, you saw it here.....Dave
One of the most satisfying Machining videos I've seen in a long time thanks for sharing
Nick Jarman David Richards--Master Millwright, awesome !!
Keep up the great work Dave! Always excited when you post a video!
As always Dave, great video.
I honestly believe that if not for you that beautiful old machine would of never been used again.
Its exactly where it needed to be.
WOW..it still scares me ..but i love seeing it run!! cheers Dave..you did a great job here.
What i think is so neat is how this gives people a look deep down into the innovation and creativity that made our technology grow so fast in just 100 years.
Dave, as always, your installation of the big planer is superb. At 32:00, there appears to be a 6-7" gouge seen in the side rail of the planer. Any idea what caused that, does it create any problem when planing smaller material and is it repairable? After 60 episodes, I still find myself asking what will be Dave's next project. Watching your shop operation is like watching the workings of a fine swiss watch. Thanks again for sharing your expertise.
I don't know how it could have happened, over tightening maybe but it doesn't really have a lot of force on it. All t-slots pick up a lot of "rash" after 120 years.
All Right! A new Steamshop video!
David, that is a powerful and wonderful machine, but it has the same drawback as the shaper has: it only cuts going one way. You obviously have plenty of power available to you. Have you considered putting a cutting head and clapper box on the OTHER side of the cross slide? That way you would get a cut with both moves of the table instead of just one.
Sure, you would have to consider how you would slave one head to the other for height adjustment, and also some way of setting up the offset of the two cutting tools so that both tool bits cut new metal at the same rate, but think of what it would do for finish; you could get better finish with coarse feeds. Speed of operation would improve too; jobs could potentially be done in half the time, with the only penalty being in setup.
Perhaps a collaboration project for the community? Keith Rucker got one of these too, you know...
Great comment for discussion Greg, A lot here. From what I gather, there were planers that did that but very rare. One set up was called a "duplex planer" which had an extra backwards facing head that would cut on the return stroke (probably not in the came cut). Also there was one called a "double cut planer" that worked in the same cut back to back in line. Railroads probably loved them.....Dave
Now that is pretty cool! Good work Dave.
Why no leather lacing? That was the preferred method of joining belts at the shingle mill that I worked at in my youth. It is fast easy and you don't have to have the clipper crimps. Not only that they run quiet.
This is very true. Wire laces are just quick and easy. I am going to start doing this when some 2" belts come up for tightening, thanks.....Dave
Bonjour David,
What a monster ! And it is alive again. I would not have been able to install all these pulleys so perfecty aligned.
When I see how the belts work, I have questions, what is their maintenance ? Do you need to oil them ? To shorten them ? And as I think so, after how many hours/days of use or even if they are not used ?
Amicalement, Raphaël
Hi Raphael, Old leather belts need lots of neetsfoot oil and have to be shortened a few times, then they stop stretching an are very maintenance free. The canvas/rubber type stretch very little but jump around more and don't have as much traction. I just measure to get the shafts parallel and then sight (by eye) down the side of the pulley to the other one to get them in line....Dave
That's a hell of a machine and a testament to your metalworking skills.
Some tacky grease on the loud gears may quiet them some. Good job on her too. I have to make the limit stops for my federal if I ever got able too. Thanks
Silverbullet Chain saw bar oil might be worth a try-nothing to lose-I have found it useful for many lube jobs due to its tacky nature.
Hay Dave .I can see you throwing a shingle out now for re machining old South Bend engine laths beds .
Well done Dave, great series, man, do you have patience, foresight and skill!
You may be overstating a couple of those Rich....Dave
I am from Brazil, in our country we live in a late industrialization. Our spirit has never been one of industrialization, but rather of care for farms. We even had an industrialization process in the 60s and 70s, but after that our industry almost disappeared because of bad politics. Today it is resurfacing. I am thinking of having a small office and I learn a lot from videos on UA-cam.
Thumbs up before watching... been waiting for this ….
Me too, I've never run one......Dave
Love those straight line cuts👌
Like your video's.
Why don't you support that long belt halfway on the undersite of the belt ? Give's you more headspace and if you make that support adjustable you can retention the belt when it's stretched.
Greetings from the Netherlands.
I was thinking along those lines. I think Dave could have an adjustable idler pulley on the bottom of the 6" drive belt. That would raise the belt towards the ceiling and give more headroom and also function as a belt tensioner when the belt stretches.
JIM
Good to hear from the Netherlands Wilfred, good idea if it becomes a problem. Remember, most garage doors are 7 feet clearance.....Dave
Perfect! I love the detent! I always enjoyed building the linkage works on our drilling rigs. It’s so satisfying to not only fabricate the idea in your head, but to fly with the little add on’s as they come. Great job!
Now the real question is...did you get any footage of the planer running 80ft/min today? :D
I think Kieth needs to get moving on his,great piece of history,never saw one in use.
Dave definately beat him to the punch! Mind, Keith is going a lot further with his. That regrind must have been remarkably expensive...
@@shawnhuk yea, I couldn't imagine that cost,probably enough to add several thing to my shop.
What a magnificent piece of equipment! Well done, as usual!
Surely karma is at work here, with the role reversal as the steam power slowly starts to take over the electric side of the shop.
you need to go onto patreon..or let them put a few ads in..we wont mind.
I think id get a old diesel engine to run things on hot days. Place it in a box /room with foam rubber walls to keep it quiet. Maybe hang old carpet on the walls . A 4-71 Detroit possibly to even a 6-71, it can possibly run at a fast idle with overdrive output to meet the power requirements .
Nice planer! And nice shop, too.
The detent was well done - a good solution.
Great to see the machine cutting.
Beautiful mate, you have done an absolutely fantastic job at restoring this planer and to have it line powered under steam is the icing on the cake, it’s truly a credit to you Dave, thank you, ATB Matty
Thank you sooo much! I had never heard of this machine before this project. If I lived closer than Oregon I would bring you an 8 ft Prentice lathe circa 1890 to have the wear machined out of the ways.
Transportation can be a problem....Dave
@@davidrichards5594 Transportation has been a major problem.
Hello Dave,,, good job,,,
Say,,, do they ever use ideler pulleys to keep the belts out of the way?
Thanks again for sharing your videos. And keep up the good work.
I have a 4 in. Clipper Belt Lacer I use on my 1 in. leather belts for my Southbend Lathes. That 6 in. belt is a Hoss! Thanks for posting.
The belt and pulley rhythm was truly amazing...put a bunch of drummers to shame....magic!
I used to work for a local Western Auto that had a storage building for appliances and furniture. The building was built in the mid the late mid 1800’s. I do not know what it was used for but there were massive drive rods, pillow-block bearings and wide drive pulleys in the overhead. My guess some type of manufacturing that was steam powered at some point then changed over to electrical power when large enough electric motors and electrical service power became available to power the old machines that were belt driven. Also went to a barrel stave sawmill that used overhead drive assemblies to power equipment. Suspect it too was originally steam powered based on when those buildings were built. Most of the buildings were more of a three sided shed and lord at the hornet nests in the overhead where the boss wanted me alone with no rigging to try and remove a 30 ft section of 3” diameter round bar going through dozens of pillow block bearings, some formed from oak and Babbitt with 1.5 to 2 ft diameter wide leather drive pulleys. I ever back to the shop and explained it could not be done without us risking burning down the buildings trying to run the hornets out and putting holes through the roof to connect improvised rigging. The 3” foam 30’ long steel bar was pre-WWII and he wanted/needed it for a project he had bid on and got the contract. He said he should have know better than to send a boy(I was 17) to get it. He contacted the other welder, a very knowledgeable mid 40’s welder and told him to get it and he needed it in one piece. He drove up a few hours later and the boss saw him as he entered the shop asking if he got the bar. He said yes. The boss walked out to the trailer behind the truck to find 3, 10 ft lengths and then proceeded to jump in him and he told him exactly what I told him in ear shot if me and the boss walked back by me kinda shook he head as it was hung down. Probably more so from knowing what he was going to have to pay for what he thought he was getting for Fred go some work he had gone for the owner of the old Buijdungs the bar was in.
Howdy from Texas! Really been enjoying your videos. I admire the amount of work that goes into running a steam powered machine shop like yours. Many Thankyous!
I was on a local chat group and brought up the old line shaft factory. One guy chimed in with letters from his grandfather. He said that the factory could produce 4000 spark-plugs a day in a shop much like yours. That's amazing.
Apart from making something original machine on your dream setup with your brand name cast into it,next a major automatic CO2 fire 🔥 system that includes Foam.
It's like a long stroke shaper, pretty cool but noisy, not bad for a 122-year old machine. Nice work Dave keep them coming.
21:15 It reminds me of my apprenticeship when I worked on electromagnetic chuck covers.
Then the chips flew through the hall for meters.
Those were the days ....... it was a long time ago.
Wonderful work on the old machines for present and future generations to enjoy. Thank you for sharing your wonderful presentations. 👍😁🛠🇦🇺🔭
Learning a lot of your videos, are there any books about lineshafts? I hope to install my lineshaft next year but a lot of questionsmarks on how to do it right. Thanks for your videos, I love them.
I has the opportunity to run a line shaft Brown and Sharpe surface grinder and an old lathe that had no identification back in the late sixties. I gotta tellya, it's an experience Im not sure I want to repeat. Talk about making things difficult. Romantic, maybe. Practical, only if it's a hobby.
Thank you for this video this is a question on a tangent i m a r a i l fan especially love steam locomotives one thing I'm trying to study cuz I've pretty much figured a lot of all the different appliances out on a steam locomotive except one and I'm really trying to figure out lately I figured out water injectors feed water heaters Steam superheaters the only thing I can't figure out is a Westinghouse steam air compressor for a steam locomotive I can't find a diagram on one anywhere I'm trying to figure out the ports intake and exhaust on the engine side and in compressor side if you know anything about a source of information you can point me to I'd be graciously appreciative if you like steam locomotives to I got to see the Union Pacific Big Boy earlier this month my videos are on UA-cam under my name Austin glines you'll see the Southern Pacific GS4 daylight in the corner that's how you'll know it's my page thank you for keeping all this historical awesome steam powered equipment running it lets me see what the Industrial Revolution was really like when steam was King and when steam powered the world I love steam locomotives so much that I wrote a poem about them steam locomotives are alive they have a heart of Fire a soul of Steam muscles of pumping Pistons and werling drive rods I'll whistle is his voice yelling and telling you to get the hell out of the way peace out and to the world have a great day
Good to see it working so well. Having seen the care you take I'm pretty sure you will want to get the noise out of those gears. That would make a good video. All the best from Chris across the pound from Yeovil Somerset UK
David, who is playing the music at the very beginning of this video ??? Thanks and nice video too. Peace VF
I had two shapers like the one you are using at 20:00, scraped them back in the 90's along with a bunch of chain filers and duplicator mills, when the cnc's took over we had to make room. I do regret now scraping the shapers, I loved using them when I was a young tool maker.
worn gears , you know the center is out of true.
and the worn gears tend to makes a ringing caused by the worn gears .
need something to take up the ringing witch wears the gears even more .
try putting or wedge in the spokes of gears at even spots, aka wood.
it don't look nice but , my dad had a fly cutter on a mill that was 10 inch across
shattered something bad ,no matter what he did it still shattered .
finally he put a 5/8 spring in a 3/4 rubber hose and wrap it around the 5/8 thick flange.
worked fine, no shatter.
Congratulations on getting the planer going! Nice job!
What a beautiful machine...
Hello David can you change the feed ratchet to the top position it may work better,on most shaper are on top ,is noisy but work!!!!!!!
I remembered something. Many years ago I worked on Bucyrus Erie will drilling rigs. The gears in them were all spur gears like your planer. We used to use a stick open gear lube, it came in a tube similar to a grease tube. The lube was tar like in consistency, it really stuck to the gears and made them run pretty quiet. Check it out.
I really wish I had the room to install a planer, I really miss not having one, with age and lack of moneys and room Guess i will do without. Thanks for this neat video, very much enjoyed it.
This is a shaper, not a planer. The basic and main difference between shaper and planer is that in shaper machine work piece is fixed at the table and tool is in reciprocating motion which rub the work piece and cut unwanted metal. ... But in planer machine tool is act like as stationary body and work piece move over it. In very nice condition I must say.
On the long belt run from the "steam" shop to the "modern" shop, would an idler pulley help eliminate some of the belt slap? I'm not second-guessing your expertise, just wondering what the rule of thumb is for the length of a horizontal belt. Great videos, thanks for sharing your hard work and passion for old steam-powered machinery.
Well I dono, belts jump around a little, no big deal, it's what they do....Dave
Wow never seen a planer in action it's so special. I watched Keith Rucker videos restoring his planer but he yet hasn't got to run it.
THANK YOU! I know it was a lot of work but now we know how they did it...how you do it! Greg
Are you considering building up the worn teeth on the big gear and then re-cutting them? Do you have any way of mounting something so big to a mill?
Guess you will soon be going south ! Love these videos , would not mind seeing more . Thanks again !!
Some rubber tubing sliced on their length and slid over the spokes of the noisy gear should quiet it down a good bit, at least soak up the amplified noise. Great Video.
thanks for doing alot of good work! thanks also for posting it . A few years ago i saved a planing mill from the scrapyard. it is very helpfull to see one running properly.
It’s great to see the planer in operation; it’s a real tribute to your abilities. I really enjoy your videos and thank you for all the effort you put into them.
Wow is that thing cool. Not many guys could get something like that accomplished. Top notch!
At 13:32 having to apologize for using an electric drill. I love it! No apology necessary.
I wished I lived closer to you so I could come over and donate some time and work in your wonderful steam-powered shop. What a treat that would be.
Well you beat Professor Rucker to the punch, and thats all that matters. Can a couple idlers be added under the long belt to give more head room and take out the slap? Ive never seen idlers on flat belts....reckon why? Tracking problems?
An idler could be used to steady and raise the belt but when I get it "run in" and re -tightened, I think you will see it's not a problem.....Dave
This totally sounds like Jazz drumming...
34:30
Well done sir. Great to see an appreciation of days gone past and using the technology. Thank you for sharing this.
Love your detent you built. What an amazing setup to reverse direction
Very cool Dave to see it up and making chip. Great job.
Fantastic work. So great to see this thing moving under power. I stopped what I was doing and sat down to watch this start to finish.
Amazing machine! You have quite a shop there. Love the old machinery.
Dave, all the comments seem to be 7 months ago, this is my 4th time watching this masterpiece of machine video. Thanks
24:10 is clearly the best steam mill I have seen in long time 😎