Three years ago I bought an e-bike due to knee issues. While my right knee is now worse my 2021 cycling was the best since about 2014. Between 2015 and 2019 I didn't ride anywhere that required a hill climb. Thanks to the e-bike, new rain gear my overall fitness improved. It was when a friend took a photo of me that I realized the change. Things I like are internal gears, disc brakes, the wider tires and having suspension. Some Montreal roads are actually paved. The biggest mistake I made was choosing a bike with a long range. The bike can do about 100km, with me and one loaded pannier, on a single charge but my average ride is about 15km. Choosing distance means a larger (and heavier) battery. Less is more for us older folks. Thanks Michelle for countering some myths about e-bikes.
Thank you for sharing your experience, it's why I think e-bikes are such game changers. You've brought up some great points. A lot of people tend to get a bigger battery than they need due to range anxity, and like you said there are trade offs.
After my wife heals from her latest surgery I will be getting her an ebike. Looking forward to her being able to keep up with me on some rides. I like that ebikes can allow two people of different physical capabilities to ride at the same pace and distance.
Great Video! I just got a vado 4.0 and it is like all of a sudden having biking superpower when you need it. E-bikes are the ideal complement, or replacement bike.
Every adult and child should own a bicycle and ride it regularly. More protected bike lanes and trails are needed so children can ride safely. Ebikes are bringing many older adults back to cycling. Much easier on the hills.
Excellent video busting those myths! I don't have an ebike, but will get one eventually. I can see so many use cases for one as a year round cycle commuter.
Thank you! e-bikes are great, they offer so much opportunity for people to get out and ride more. I love my standard bikes but sometimes I just want the benifits of getting around by bike but I want it to be a little easier and faster. Have your ridden one yet?
@@OneLessCar Not yet but I’d like to give one a go. Started riding again after a long gap. More difficult than I remembered. I was sure I used to be faster than I am now!
Interesting video. E-bikes are a good thing. I have a Vado SL 4.0 and find it great. I wouldn't want/don't need the extra power or weight of the non-SL. I used to cycle to work in London in the 1980s. Just over 12 miles at avg speed 19mph on a light Italian Rossin with tubular tyres. With the Vado SL I can speed along quite nicely at 74 years of age. But double the power won't mean double the speed as you say. Doubling the power will only get you about 1/2 as much again if you're lucky. It's more about less effort for the same speed. And then there's the 15 mph limiter which much to low I think. The extra power gets me up any of the steep local Devon hills which used to put me off cycling t all. I tend to use the lower two settings most of the time. I even did a 25 mile ride without using the motor at all recently (in flat-ish Somerset UK). So, as you say, the SL can be used as a non-powered bike. Apart from the limiter the only thing I don't like about the Vado is the straight bars. I should have gone for a Creo with drops. Try before you buy. I have an arthritic knee but cycling has no impact at all on it.
Mike if you'll still be able to see this reply - I have a vado SL and live in Devon (dartmoor) like you I disliked the straight bars. I swapped them out for an On One Mike handlebar (about £20) which has swept back bars, much more comfortable with more hand positions. I also got a smaller 38 tooth chainring to cope with Dartmoor's brutal hills and wider tyres for the potholes and bridleways. I can go anywhere now. Great bike.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm Only just seen your reply. I'll certainly investigate the On One Mike handlebars. I used to cycle with my hands on the drops most of the time when I was younger. It put more of my weight over the pedals and I used less energy to go faster. I find with the max power and the largest cog on the SL I can get up any hill here but you probably have some killer hills on Dartmoor. I'm in the Bideford area. I sometimes wonder if a really good light road bike would be as good as this heavier e-bike. I'm currently restoring my Rossin Record but it has close ratio small cogs on the back wheel. There's a youtube video by Joey Mesa restoring my exact bike, I'm not being as thorough as him though. Just getting it functioning again with new tubular tyres (tubs).
I don’t ride ebikes but I love their existence. They are far more likely in the long run to help people ditch their cars or at least go car lite. Especially if we can add on non aero but welcome creature comforts like canopies. Mirrors. Signals. Etc. Most have built in running lights and headlights too. Ie less sporty e Ike’s and more tiny-car-like ebikes I’ve seen some electric tricycles here. I’ve also seen e cargo bikes used by the mail couriers. All great steps in the right direction I don’t get the snobbery from some cyclists but, let’s face It, some of them don’t even think much of regular folks on utility/city/ton bikes using them to get around. Ah the joys of the bike community!
I have a Brompton 6 speed (2003 vintage) that we convert to Electric (Nano kit) circa 2010. Costs then £530 for the bike, just under £1000 with large battery
Bike converted for mothers use she is 4ft 7, I am over 6ft and have used it to commute to work hilly 9 miles each way and longer rides. I consider I use it now for longer rides for fitness in a hilly area. Especially good while I am building my fitness up, before doing longer rides on my other Brompton. Battery range has reduced since 2010, but for that age, my weight and the steep hills is still good. Also have a couple of Bosch 4AH batteries. Also as Popcycles comment, this bike conversion was pre2016 so no pedal sensor required. Still restricted to 15mph though. Costs are relative, since the bike its self has had many upgrades and replacements over the years, which would apply to any bike.
QUESTION. Can you talk about how to be a bike commuter while carrying loads (i.e. bicycle trailers). specifically, heavy loaders. We pull a trailer (really heavy 100lb +). Yes. There are books, computers, tablets, you name it. Only things missing in that trailer are pretty much gold bars and bricks. All joking aside, that is our commute. We need stronger thighs, that's for sure. Our bike is e-assist capable though we would like to one day rely less on that (everything breaks). Can you recommend any axle that is considered to be some of the "strongest" axle to pull heavy load? We are in the process of building out a new tandem, this one needs to be designed to carry load. subscribed. thx.
I am looking at transitioning from my road bike with the skinny tires to something like the turbo vado or turbo vado sl. I am 71 with about 12 years of riding and doing triathlons and was always one of the slowest. I also recently had a nerve seizure in my leg that aggravated the numbness (nuropathy) in my feet and legs. This has made it difficult, balance wise, getting on, getting going and stopping. I feel so insecure now. I still want to get the exercise which hasn’t been much the last couple years. With that background information any suggestions on going regular or SL? How hard are they to ride with no assist and what kind of workout would I get on eco assist? Thanks
Thanks for your insight, I can see myself getting an ebike for transport not so much for sport. BTW i did my first Audax yesterday, the 100km Occasionally Hilly in Derbyshire, add in strong winds and my off season fitness and it was so tough, but very rewarding by the end!
@@OneLessCar thanks, yes the weather was a risk but it turned out lovelly, sun and cloud but with that dreaded wind. I'm looking for a 200 to enter but one thats not so hilly. I also learnt a few things about my setup which will help out next time.
Ebikes are similar to mopeds which are hybrids. However Ebikes like the Juiced Scorpion, Super 73 are like mopeds. Mopeds have better or more robust components than ebikes. I rode ebikes, mopeds, scooters, and motorcycles. I am coming from a US perspective on ebikes. Mopeds primary drive is the engine, ebikes primary drive is human peddling.
thank you for your nice video and beneficial knowledge about e-Bikes, I got a Specialized Turbo Vado SL 5.0 EQ . Really it is perfect, I am a 66 years old and with 18 years of riding story, some of the standard equipment on the bike like are a little low standard and a little heavy cassette =Sram nx to Sram GX , chain Sram nx to Sram GX , Piraxis chranc Arm to Sram GX , And Nimbu Tires to,?? and Seatpost ?? To increase performance and keep the battery charge and range, I want to change and upgrade some components on my E-bike , I want to know your idea about the issue,
What happens to the battery after they wear out? Surely they have a finite number of charge / recharge cycles? If the battery is integrated, does that mean it can't be replaced and a whole new bike is required? I have a "analogue" bike that is 20 years old, will an e-bike last that long?
Sorry for the delay in replying. I wanted to check with Specialized to make sure I had the facts correct 😀 Batteries do have a life span. If looked after they can last 4 years or more. They will last longer than that but they will start to lose capacity. The integrated battery on the SL can be replaced. It's accessed by removing the motor (best done by an experienced mechanic). Specialized are also working on reducing the impact of the batteries on the environment when they do come to the end of life. Here's what they are doing in the UK as a start: To get ahead of the potential long-term impact of e-bike batteries before their end-of-life, Specialized UK has established a nationwide partnership with UK-based recycling experts, Ecolamp. Ecolamp Recycling Solutions ensure that 100% of all the battery packs provided to them are recycled, and that none of the material goes to landfill.
@@OneLessCar Thanks so much for the detailed reply. Four years doesn't seem a like a lot, but maybe that will improve as technology advances. At least they are working on it though, and there are options with a major brand that you probably don't get if you just buy a no-name bike.
If the bike was made before 2016 the throttle law doesn't apply . Also as long as the bike is restricted it is legal . Also as more start riding ebikes they can see how our law is not in line with safety . A road cyclist can easily do 25+ mph and so limiting an ebike makes it highly unfair . Petitions and protest will be happening within the next few years to get the law changed . In the mean time there will be more riding bigger ebikes as they can see the injustice . Why aren't cars restricted, why aren't car weights restricted, how is it safe to allow a 16 year old to ride a 30mph bike after a few hours training in a playground . Money is what it comes down to not safety . Hope that helps .
You are right, a tiny fraction of e-bikes out there are the exception when it comes to a throttle, they have a grandfather clause that allows it. People buying an e-bike won't likely be buying 6 year old one. I'm currently on the fence about the current capped limits (I understand there is a push going on to up it) though most riders can't easily push 25 miles per hour (40km/h), that's what pros do. The first e-bike I rode was in Canada and had a cap of 20mph which I thought was good. However, a lot of the cycling infrastructure in the UK isn't built well, narrow, too crowded, shared spaces etc. The issue I see with a higher than 15.5 mph limit is with those whose skills don't match up to the speed riding in less than ideal conditions. Whereas to get fast on a bike you need to put the time in to build up the strength, and while doing that you also build up skills at the same time. 20mph could be the happy medium and matches the speed limit in a lot of cities, but 25mph I think is too high for Europe. 😀 Comparing it to cars doesn't work. The reason you don't need insurance, license, helmet or plates on an e-bike are in part due to the capped speed. It all comes down to the damage they can cause and the danger they present. I personally would rather keep e-bikes as simple to own and run as possible, it makes them more accessible. If people want to go faster they can look at electric motorbikes, mopeds or motorcycles, there are lots of options out there these days. And since you mentioned it, yes cars should have their speed and weight limited... speed kills and larger cars are inefficient and dangerous for other road users. There are some ridiculous pickups and SUVs being sold.
@@OneLessCar I disagree, I can easily do more than 20 mph on my racer and 20 mph is the default speed. Prob is I can't bring it to work and a Brompton, electric or not, would prob be too slow or the same speed as the city/clodhopper steel I have to use; would be fun to own and use for slow meanders but no good when I'm rushing to work.
I think the myth of e bikes can’t get you fit, isn’t unfounded. Personally I believe depending how they are used and the person cycling it… it can make you unfit.
If I get an ebike, it will be to get me over the hills where my fitness currently doesn't allow me to easily get over. An ebike can be ridden completely unpowered by pedal power alone. I personally don't want to give up on that physical effort and benefit. But I also know that I may not have the physical strengths that you may have to go further without collapsing off my bike half way up a hill that may be a relatively minor obstacle to you. Ebike's may also get millions of people back on bikes that would never have considered it otherwise.
@@tconnolly9820 Exactly. I live where there are big hills. I now use my ebike to cycle 10 to 30 miles over the hills. I'm pedalling the whole way and out of breath on the hills even with assist. It's better for my health then if I rode somewhere flat on a normal bike I reckon unless with a constant headwind etc. Anyway I know from doctor check ups its having a remarkable effect on my health. Plus its so much fun. What's to dislike.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm I'm about to go shopping on my bike plus a covered large bike trailer. It's just 4 miles each way but at times I've had over 70kg in that trailer on pedal power alone plus the trailer is 13kg I enjoy doing it every opportunity I can. It's fun and exercise for larger loads and another reason to leave the car at home. I'm also about to go for an angiogram probably next week as I have been developing cardiac problems. I was getting tired and breathless doing what I could do last year without too much trouble. I wasn't "athletically" fit but cycling certainly helped keep me much fitter and I just used my bike for shopping and commuting mostly with some longer rides occasionally. Hopefully these cardiac problems will be sorted out one way or another soon and when I'm back cycling, an electric bike is ideal for me. I would only need the assist for at most 10% of any ride unless it was particularly hilly. People who are against electric bikes are usually either against any cyclist's taking up their roadspace regardless, or bike riders who think everyone needs to be fit enough to match them or don't bother.
Great video and I really like the Specialized bikes, however, I have two major issues, the first being e-bikes perpetuate the issue of elitism in cycling. You don't see poor people riding bikes. You don't see Specialized marketing them to lower middle class people who are more likely to drive everywhere and have greater health issues. The fact is, the cost is prohibitive for those who need them most. The second being, the battery waste and longevity of the bike post battery usefulness. These bikes are not made to last. You can't just change out a bottom bracket. I have no doubt I will get one eventually, but for now - far too much $$$ :)
I have to disagree, e-bikes aren't elitism. Some people can't afford a car or the costs of running a car, but a bike is a more affordable option, especially the running costs after the initial purchase. Compared to a zone 1-3 tube pass at £1800 an e-bike will pay for itself after time. I did a review on an e-bike under £1000, and someone who can't afford a car might be able to afford an e-bike at that price, especially with running costs of less than £200 a year and using a bike to work scheme. Also, as more and more e-bikes come on the market, more used e-bikes will be available, helping lower the buying cost of an e-bike. All transport choices have a cost. People need to look at the cost of their transport per mile/lifetime. e-bikes offer tremendous value in this area. 😀 While there are massive improvements to be made when it comes to batteries, bikes and the environment, there are acknowledgements by the industry of this and moves to improve things.
I would disagree with you on the eliteism point. Yes there are many very expensive ebikes out there, however there are a number of sub £1k ebikes avaliable which are of a decent quality which are avaliable to those with a lighter wallet or on a cyclescheme budget. My own ebike (a wisper folding bike) fell into that category and had served and is still serving me well 5 years after getting it on the cycle to work scheme. Also as for the bottom bracket issues, not a problem its a rear drive motor rather than a mid motor system so a bottom bracket change is the same as any analogue bike (I know from experiance having had to change the bottom bracket for myself!) . The battery is still going strong and isn't showing any signs of aging at the moment. Overall the bike has taken me many hundreds of miles and looks to be keeping me going for a while yet, and for under £1k on cyclescheme. Just because there are expensive ebikes out there is doesn't mean there are decent sub $1k bikes out there, do you have to shop around more, sure, but they can be found without too much trouble.
@@OneLessCar I should’ve mentioned, I’m in Australia. Public transport is perhaps a lot cheaper here and cars more of a necessity given the distances. Here, the two bikes you reviewed are no where near affordable. The cheapest ebike would be $1000 (£2000) from Aldi and it’s not going to last. Compare that with the cost of a normal bike, and you’ll see what I mean about elitism. I bought 5 bikes 2 years ago for our family, all Specialized, for less than one mid range ebike. I’m not here for a fight. I’m just offering a different opinion. Maybe I’m jealous. I’d love an ebike because I live in a hilly area. 🤣
@@markstevens5333 I think the perspective changes if one conpares the cost of an ebike to a car instead of a non-ebike. I live in a city that is pretty bikeable but there are hills that are certainly a barrier for some, making a regular bike non-option. But if they ditch their car for an ebike, they're saving boatloads of money.
ebike are good but battery's dont last for ever also there prawn to failing and cost a lot to maintain .I have gone back to leg power only for my rides
e-bike batteries if they are quality batteries will usually fail on the first charge or two, if they are fualty, which a warrenty would cover. How batteries are treated also affects their lifespan. Batteries will deterioate if the bike isn't used often or if it isn't looked after (I have a video coming out on how to get look after your e-bike battery). Quality batteries have bettween 500 and 1000 cycles when looked after properly this means 3-5 years of regular use.
Three years ago I bought an e-bike due to knee issues. While my right knee is now worse my 2021 cycling was the best since about 2014. Between 2015 and 2019 I didn't ride anywhere that required a hill climb.
Thanks to the e-bike, new rain gear my overall fitness improved. It was when a friend took a photo of me that I realized the change.
Things I like are internal gears, disc brakes, the wider tires and having suspension. Some Montreal roads are actually paved.
The biggest mistake I made was choosing a bike with a long range. The bike can do about 100km, with me and one loaded pannier, on a single charge but my average ride is about 15km. Choosing distance means a larger (and heavier) battery. Less is more for us older folks.
Thanks Michelle for countering some myths about e-bikes.
Thank you for sharing your experience, it's why I think e-bikes are such game changers. You've brought up some great points. A lot of people tend to get a bigger battery than they need due to range anxity, and like you said there are trade offs.
What bike did you have and how’s it now?
After my wife heals from her latest surgery I will be getting her an ebike. Looking forward to her being able to keep up with me on some rides. I like that ebikes can allow two people of different physical capabilities to ride at the same pace and distance.
I couldn't agree more. It's a win win! 😀
Great Video! I just got a vado 4.0 and it is like all of a sudden having biking superpower when you need it. E-bikes are the ideal complement, or replacement bike.
The Vado bikes are so much fun! I'm so glad to see e-bikes grow in popularity 😀
Every adult and child should own a bicycle and ride it regularly.
More protected bike lanes and trails are needed so children can ride safely.
Ebikes are bringing many older adults back to cycling. Much easier on the hills.
Very good video! As a Specialized E Bike owner I can say you did a great job !
Excellent video busting those myths! I don't have an ebike, but will get one eventually. I can see so many use cases for one as a year round cycle commuter.
As they say if it ain't broke.... :D
Great video! Really considering going electric now.
Thank you! e-bikes are great, they offer so much opportunity for people to get out and ride more. I love my standard bikes but sometimes I just want the benifits of getting around by bike but I want it to be a little easier and faster.
Have your ridden one yet?
@@OneLessCar Not yet but I’d like to give one a go. Started riding again after a long gap. More difficult than I remembered. I was sure I used to be faster than I am now!
Interesting video. E-bikes are a good thing. I have a Vado SL 4.0 and find it great. I wouldn't want/don't need the extra power or weight of the non-SL. I used to cycle to work in London in the 1980s. Just over 12 miles at avg speed 19mph on a light Italian Rossin with tubular tyres. With the Vado SL I can speed along quite nicely at 74 years of age. But double the power won't mean double the speed as you say. Doubling the power will only get you about 1/2 as much again if you're lucky. It's more about less effort for the same speed. And then there's the 15 mph limiter which much to low I think. The extra power gets me up any of the steep local Devon hills which used to put me off cycling t all. I tend to use the lower two settings most of the time. I even did a 25 mile ride without using the motor at all recently (in flat-ish Somerset UK). So, as you say, the SL can be used as a non-powered bike. Apart from the limiter the only thing I don't like about the Vado is the straight bars. I should have gone for a Creo with drops. Try before you buy. I have an arthritic knee but cycling has no impact at all on it.
Mike if you'll still be able to see this reply - I have a vado SL and live in Devon (dartmoor) like you I disliked the straight bars. I swapped them out for an On One Mike handlebar (about £20) which has swept back bars, much more comfortable with more hand positions. I also got a smaller 38 tooth chainring to cope with Dartmoor's brutal hills and wider tyres for the potholes and bridleways. I can go anywhere now. Great bike.
@@BillyBob-ri9pm Only just seen your reply. I'll certainly investigate the On One Mike handlebars. I used to cycle with my hands on the drops most of the time when I was younger. It put more of my weight over the pedals and I used less energy to go faster. I find with the max power and the largest cog on the SL I can get up any hill here but you probably have some killer hills on Dartmoor. I'm in the Bideford area. I sometimes wonder if a really good light road bike would be as good as this heavier e-bike. I'm currently restoring my Rossin Record but it has close ratio small cogs on the back wheel. There's a youtube video by Joey Mesa restoring my exact bike, I'm not being as thorough as him though. Just getting it functioning again with new tubular tyres (tubs).
I don’t ride ebikes but I love their existence. They are far more likely in the long run to help people ditch their cars or at least go car lite.
Especially if we can add on non aero but welcome creature comforts like canopies. Mirrors. Signals. Etc. Most have built in running lights and headlights too. Ie less sporty e Ike’s and more tiny-car-like ebikes
I’ve seen some electric tricycles here. I’ve also seen e cargo bikes used by the mail couriers. All great steps in the right direction
I don’t get the snobbery from some cyclists but, let’s face It, some of them don’t even think much of regular folks on utility/city/ton bikes using them to get around. Ah the joys of the bike community!
I find most people who have a negative attitude about e-bikes haven't ridden one yet.
Great video, hope to see more reviews of the turbo vado igh soon
Sadly it's back with Specialized but you never know....
@@OneLessCar Can you review other bikes or have you an exclusive agreement with Specialized?
I have a Brompton 6 speed (2003 vintage) that we convert to Electric (Nano kit) circa 2010. Costs then £530 for the bike, just under £1000 with large battery
Bike converted for mothers use she is 4ft 7, I am over 6ft and have used it to commute to work hilly 9 miles each way and longer rides. I consider I use it now for longer rides for fitness in a hilly area. Especially good while I am building my fitness up, before doing longer rides on my other Brompton. Battery range has reduced since 2010, but for that age, my weight and the steep hills is still good. Also have a couple of Bosch 4AH batteries. Also as Popcycles comment, this bike conversion was pre2016 so no pedal sensor required. Still restricted to 15mph though.
Costs are relative, since the bike its self has had many upgrades and replacements over the years, which would apply to any bike.
I was starting to enjoy the video when I realized that you are no longer posting. Please come back. The world really needs 'One Less Car' on the road.
Just got a Vado 5 EQ, awesome bike can tell every bit of it has been well thought about.
Great and valid points!
Thank you Shelly. I hope you are well and looking forward to some spring riding soon!
QUESTION. Can you talk about how to be a bike commuter while carrying loads (i.e. bicycle trailers). specifically, heavy loaders. We pull a trailer (really heavy 100lb +). Yes. There are books, computers, tablets, you name it. Only things missing in that trailer are pretty much gold bars and bricks. All joking aside, that is our commute. We need stronger thighs, that's for sure. Our bike is e-assist capable though we would like to one day rely less on that (everything breaks). Can you recommend any axle that is considered to be some of the "strongest" axle to pull heavy load? We are in the process of building out a new tandem, this one needs to be designed to carry load. subscribed. thx.
I'm looking forward to getting my new Specialized Turbo Vado 4.0 in White Mountains / Black Reflective when my last layaway payment is made in June!
I am looking at transitioning from my road bike with the skinny tires to something like the turbo vado or turbo vado sl. I am 71 with about 12 years of riding and doing triathlons and was always one of the slowest. I also recently had a nerve seizure in my leg that aggravated the numbness (nuropathy) in my feet and legs. This has made it difficult, balance wise, getting on, getting going and stopping. I feel so insecure now. I still want to get the exercise which hasn’t been much the last couple years.
With that background information any suggestions on going regular or SL? How hard are they to ride with no assist and what kind of workout would I get on eco assist? Thanks
The UKs laws sounds lame …
Thanks for your insight, I can see myself getting an ebike for transport not so much for sport.
BTW i did my first Audax yesterday, the 100km Occasionally Hilly in Derbyshire, add in strong winds and my off season fitness and it was so tough, but very rewarding by the end!
Well done on your first Audax, brave to do one in March as well! You'll easily be doing 200km ones by summer at this rate.
@@OneLessCar thanks, yes the weather was a risk but it turned out lovelly, sun and cloud but with that dreaded wind.
I'm looking for a 200 to enter but one thats not so hilly. I also learnt a few things about my setup which will help out next time.
Ebikes are similar to mopeds which are hybrids. However Ebikes like the Juiced Scorpion, Super 73 are like mopeds. Mopeds have better or more robust components than ebikes. I rode ebikes, mopeds, scooters, and motorcycles. I am coming from a US perspective on ebikes. Mopeds primary drive is the engine, ebikes primary drive is human peddling.
thank you for your nice video and beneficial knowledge about e-Bikes,
I got a Specialized Turbo Vado SL 5.0 EQ . Really it is perfect, I am a 66 years old and with 18 years of riding story, some of the standard equipment on the bike like are a little low standard and a little heavy
cassette =Sram nx to Sram GX , chain Sram nx to Sram GX , Piraxis chranc Arm to Sram GX , And Nimbu Tires to,?? and Seatpost ??
To increase performance and keep the battery charge and range, I want to change and upgrade some components on my
E-bike , I want to know your idea about the issue,
What would you say is the best eBike I'm currently looking at the Volt Kensington, Mirider One & Vanmoof S3?
Only you can decide that. Everyone has different priorities and preferences.
What happens to the battery after they wear out? Surely they have a finite number of charge / recharge cycles? If the battery is integrated, does that mean it can't be replaced and a whole new bike is required? I have a "analogue" bike that is 20 years old, will an e-bike last that long?
Sorry for the delay in replying. I wanted to check with Specialized to make sure I had the facts correct 😀
Batteries do have a life span. If looked after they can last 4 years or more. They will last longer than that but they will start to lose capacity.
The integrated battery on the SL can be replaced. It's accessed by removing the motor (best done by an experienced mechanic).
Specialized are also working on reducing the impact of the batteries on the environment when they do come to the end of life. Here's what they are doing in the UK as a start:
To get ahead of the potential long-term impact of e-bike batteries before their end-of-life, Specialized UK has established a nationwide partnership with UK-based recycling experts, Ecolamp.
Ecolamp Recycling Solutions ensure that 100% of all the battery packs provided to them are recycled, and that none of the material goes to landfill.
@@OneLessCar Thanks so much for the detailed reply. Four years doesn't seem a like a lot, but maybe that will improve as technology advances. At least they are working on it though, and there are options with a major brand that you probably don't get if you just buy a no-name bike.
If the bike was made before 2016 the throttle law doesn't apply . Also as long as the bike is restricted it is legal . Also as more start riding ebikes they can see how our law is not in line with safety . A road cyclist can easily do 25+ mph and so limiting an ebike makes it highly unfair . Petitions and protest will be happening within the next few years to get the law changed . In the mean time there will be more riding bigger ebikes as they can see the injustice . Why aren't cars restricted, why aren't car weights restricted, how is it safe to allow a 16 year old to ride a 30mph bike after a few hours training in a playground . Money is what it comes down to not safety . Hope that helps .
You are right, a tiny fraction of e-bikes out there are the exception when it comes to a throttle, they have a grandfather clause that allows it. People buying an e-bike won't likely be buying 6 year old one.
I'm currently on the fence about the current capped limits (I understand there is a push going on to up it) though most riders can't easily push 25 miles per hour (40km/h), that's what pros do. The first e-bike I rode was in Canada and had a cap of 20mph which I thought was good. However, a lot of the cycling infrastructure in the UK isn't built well, narrow, too crowded, shared spaces etc. The issue I see with a higher than 15.5 mph limit is with those whose skills don't match up to the speed riding in less than ideal conditions. Whereas to get fast on a bike you need to put the time in to build up the strength, and while doing that you also build up skills at the same time. 20mph could be the happy medium and matches the speed limit in a lot of cities, but 25mph I think is too high for Europe. 😀
Comparing it to cars doesn't work. The reason you don't need insurance, license, helmet or plates on an e-bike are in part due to the capped speed. It all comes down to the damage they can cause and the danger they present. I personally would rather keep e-bikes as simple to own and run as possible, it makes them more accessible. If people want to go faster they can look at electric motorbikes, mopeds or motorcycles, there are lots of options out there these days.
And since you mentioned it, yes cars should have their speed and weight limited... speed kills and larger cars are inefficient and dangerous for other road users. There are some ridiculous pickups and SUVs being sold.
@@OneLessCar I disagree, I can easily do more than 20 mph on my racer and 20 mph is the default speed. Prob is I can't bring it to work and a Brompton, electric or not, would prob be too slow or the same speed as the city/clodhopper steel I have to use; would be fun to own and use for slow meanders but no good when I'm rushing to work.
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Only 15 m.p.h.? I want to go at least 20 m.p.h. from the start of my commute to the destination.
They do have higher max assist speeds outside the UK and EU but here the max to be classified as an ebike is 15mph.
Yes my turbo vado sl assistance doesn't cut off til 28mph here in the states
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I think the myth of e bikes can’t get you fit, isn’t unfounded. Personally I believe depending how they are used and the person cycling it… it can make you unfit.
Riding an ebike vs driving is a net increase movement - how does that lead to a decrease in fitness?
If I get an ebike, it will be to get me over the hills where my fitness currently doesn't allow me to easily get over.
An ebike can be ridden completely unpowered by pedal power alone. I personally don't want to give up on that physical effort and benefit.
But I also know that I may not have the physical strengths that you may have to go further without collapsing off my bike half way up a hill that may be a relatively minor obstacle to you.
Ebike's may also get millions of people back on bikes that would never have considered it otherwise.
@@tconnolly9820 Exactly. I live where there are big hills. I now use my ebike to cycle 10 to 30 miles over the hills. I'm pedalling the whole way and out of breath on the hills even with assist. It's better for my health then if I rode somewhere flat on a normal bike I reckon unless with a constant headwind etc. Anyway I know from doctor check ups its having a remarkable effect on my health. Plus its so much fun. What's to dislike.
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I'm about to go shopping on my bike plus a covered large bike trailer.
It's just 4 miles each way but at times I've had over 70kg in that trailer on pedal power alone plus the trailer is 13kg
I enjoy doing it every opportunity I can. It's fun and exercise for larger loads and another reason to leave the car at home.
I'm also about to go for an angiogram probably next week as I have been developing cardiac problems.
I was getting tired and breathless doing what I could do last year without too much trouble.
I wasn't "athletically" fit but cycling certainly helped keep me much fitter and I just used my bike for shopping and commuting mostly with some longer rides occasionally.
Hopefully these cardiac problems will be sorted out one way or another soon and when I'm back cycling, an electric bike is ideal for me.
I would only need the assist for at most 10% of any ride unless it was particularly hilly.
People who are against electric bikes are usually either against any cyclist's taking up their roadspace regardless, or bike riders who think everyone needs to be fit enough to match them or don't bother.
Great video and I really like the Specialized bikes, however, I have two major issues, the first being e-bikes perpetuate the issue of elitism in cycling. You don't see poor people riding bikes. You don't see Specialized marketing them to lower middle class people who are more likely to drive everywhere and have greater health issues. The fact is, the cost is prohibitive for those who need them most. The second being, the battery waste and longevity of the bike post battery usefulness. These bikes are not made to last. You can't just change out a bottom bracket. I have no doubt I will get one eventually, but for now - far too much $$$ :)
I have to disagree, e-bikes aren't elitism. Some people can't afford a car or the costs of running a car, but a bike is a more affordable option, especially the running costs after the initial purchase. Compared to a zone 1-3 tube pass at £1800 an e-bike will pay for itself after time.
I did a review on an e-bike under £1000, and someone who can't afford a car might be able to afford an e-bike at that price, especially with running costs of less than £200 a year and using a bike to work scheme.
Also, as more and more e-bikes come on the market, more used e-bikes will be available, helping lower the buying cost of an e-bike. All transport choices have a cost. People need to look at the cost of their transport per mile/lifetime. e-bikes offer tremendous value in this area. 😀
While there are massive improvements to be made when it comes to batteries, bikes and the environment, there are acknowledgements by the industry of this and moves to improve things.
I would disagree with you on the eliteism point. Yes there are many very expensive ebikes out there, however there are a number of sub £1k ebikes avaliable which are of a decent quality which are avaliable to those with a lighter wallet or on a cyclescheme budget. My own ebike (a wisper folding bike) fell into that category and had served and is still serving me well 5 years after getting it on the cycle to work scheme. Also as for the bottom bracket issues, not a problem its a rear drive motor rather than a mid motor system so a bottom bracket change is the same as any analogue bike (I know from experiance having had to change the bottom bracket for myself!) . The battery is still going strong and isn't showing any signs of aging at the moment. Overall the bike has taken me many hundreds of miles and looks to be keeping me going for a while yet, and for under £1k on cyclescheme.
Just because there are expensive ebikes out there is doesn't mean there are decent sub $1k bikes out there, do you have to shop around more, sure, but they can be found without too much trouble.
@@OneLessCar I should’ve mentioned, I’m in Australia. Public transport is perhaps a lot cheaper here and cars more of a necessity given the distances. Here, the two bikes you reviewed are no where near affordable. The cheapest ebike would be $1000 (£2000) from Aldi and it’s not going to last. Compare that with the cost of a normal bike, and you’ll see what I mean about elitism. I bought 5 bikes 2 years ago for our family, all Specialized, for less than one mid range ebike. I’m not here for a fight. I’m just offering a different opinion. Maybe I’m jealous. I’d love an ebike because I live in a hilly area. 🤣
@@markstevens5333 I think the perspective changes if one conpares the cost of an ebike to a car instead of a non-ebike. I live in a city that is pretty bikeable but there are hills that are certainly a barrier for some, making a regular bike non-option. But if they ditch their car for an ebike, they're saving boatloads of money.
@@Beach652 I agree but as soon as you need two, or three 🤷
ebike are good but battery's dont last for ever also there prawn to failing and cost a lot to maintain .I have gone back to leg power only for my rides
e-bike batteries if they are quality batteries will usually fail on the first charge or two, if they are fualty, which a warrenty would cover. How batteries are treated also affects their lifespan. Batteries will deterioate if the bike isn't used often or if it isn't looked after (I have a video coming out on how to get look after your e-bike battery). Quality batteries have bettween 500 and 1000 cycles when looked after properly this means 3-5 years of regular use.
@@OneLessCar was not the battery's that failed me it was the bikes a nasty motorist wrecking 1 bike. and 1 that I burnt out
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Sorry, that bike is disgusting, awesome turbo, Vardo