No surprise, Aizen was able to basically reach Godhood, while Madara merely achieved power of that of powerful aliens. Aizen was a puppeteer while Madara was a mere puppet. Aizen only lost in the end because of his own arrogance along with his deep seeded desire to lose, and his loneliness, while Madara got back stabbed by his supposed 'puppet' that was, in fact, his puppeteer and who was another's puppet. Aizen is just on a completely different realm than Madara in every way, man never stood a chance.
Not even just the anime lol, the author revealed a bunch of canon info at the bleach expo and it was revealed that if you look at aizen now you fall under kyoka suigetsu
Aizen wins is a no brainer. Great vid I swear people who take Edo Madara can destroy everything in the universe statement seriously as well as lowballing Aizen to just mountain level because he was impressed and conclude that it's his actually power level and even thinking Senjumaru's power just automatically appear/teleportand doesn't travel to shake the realms have some serious issues
Once again, another great video. I really liked how well each of your points flowed into each other and that you are good at citing your calcs and sources. Also props for not titling the video "The honest truth", "is not even close", or "ending the debate". Because I swear every versus video uses them nowadays.
It's real easy. Aizen casually obliterated a being that draws its power and operates on the concept of reason. He then evolves 3 more times before being sealed. And then becomes stronger then he was before while sealed. Madara may have stood a chance against base aizen.
Not even base Aizen, his KS and immense spiritual power and expert use of every SR ability like Hado and Shunpo is master level. Don't forget he was the leader of the Arrancar. Beings that could easily destroy the Narutoverse on their own aswell.
As always Aizen wins. Just getting hypnotized by Kyouka Suigetsu would be enough. Aizen was on a winning streak canon-wise, it can be said his biggest mistake was leaving Kisuke alive the night he turned the Vizards. And he still bids his time.
There are also like two feats of characters blatently dodgjng light. In soul society uryu outruns his shadow, moving so fast that by the time light has covered half his shadow hes already moved like a solid 6 metres. The theres when Aaroniero who loses their ability when hit by light dodges light before it can hit him.
Fire upload 💯👌🏾🔥 Correction Senjumaru threated Multiple Universes not MultiGalxy or Multi Solar system . Idk what’s up with the lowballin the Power of Bleach verse when World means Universe & 3 Universes that are in the Main Universe
This is one of the most infamous VS battles. Though Madara came closer to achieving his goal. Aizen still had a lot of stepping stones after Ichigo and Urahara to walk over which he definitely would have .
Yeah he certainly did have a lot of barriers to cross! Also idk if you’re a fan of Supernatural tv show (based on your name) lol. But I’m watching that right now 😁
Also to be fair to Aizen, both on paper and in practice, his goal was faaar more difficult to achieve. So, the fact he got as close as he did is still far more impressive than Madara getting closer with his.
@@TuckerBowChicka1 Madara was also more lucky. His plans had so many flaws while his collaborator Obito already strayed from their original agreement. Kabuto could blackmail Obito by unleashing Edo Madara but frankly Obito didn't want to revive Madara by any chance.
@@Grayson-Winchester True, Madara got really lucky near the end there, only for all his luck to run out the moment he got penetrated from behind by Zetsu.
Talking about madara vs aizen is ppl forgot yhawch with Soul King absorbed and all shrifts he can use anytime. I'll be honest with you I personally not count madara after watching bleach Edit: also aizen has 46 seals only 3 of them are released
The reason this debate exists is because many people just outright refuse to understand that the power ceilings in the two verses are incomparable. You don't need to try calculating speeds and destructive potential(it's gnerally cringy anyways). The mangakas have portrayed the scale of what characters in both verses are capable of very well. If you've read or watched both naruto and bleach there shouldn't be a doubt in your mind that Madara would not even be able to perceive Aizen let alone fight him in any capacity. The Naruto verse was simply never meant to deal with beings of borderline conceptual level of power such as bleach characters. Though it got a bit exaggerated at the end of the war arc, it's generally way more grounded whereas bleach goes way above anything remotely comprehensible. Both power systems perfectly compliment their respective verses, but are not comparable to each other. Shinobi fights are for the most part a matter of wits, strategy and versatility. Majority of Shinobi are relative to each other in speed and power difference can often be ignored when weaker characters plan ahead or think on their feet. Meanwhile the power system in bleach is written purposfully to portray opponents as insurmountable oceans of power whose mere presence causes lesser characters to freeze, choke and even outright die. At its darkest moments a lot of bleach fights are just meant to invoke feelings of desparation in the main cast. Not entirely unlike a Lovecraftian cosmic horror where people can despair and spiral into insanity from just a glimpse at the incomprehensable.
@@SirJuul fast enough to borderline blitz omnipresence💀 infinite speed plus he can stop time at any radius he wishes which surpasses moving light speed and striking light speed anyways
You do know that the 3 realms are infinite in size so that would make Aizen High Universal to Multiversal+ because yhwach can see infinite possibilities and effect them then he transcends Soul Reapers and Hollows which make him 4D then Ichigo transcended Aizen which make ichigo 5D then he lost his powers then regain the same power he defeated Aizen with and fought yhwach making yhwach 5D and Aizen 5D since he’s able to affect yhwach
He’s gets to high universal - low multi from being able to harm yhwach darkness across different realms Him effecting yhwach wouldn’t dimensional increase his scaling (Though you could argue Aizen dimensional transcendence, is literal and he literally transcend soul reapers and hollows, and then transcend that in form 3 or 4 of the hogueku which would be low complex, but its take his own word for it so it’s iffy)
Can you do BLEACH VS BLACK CLOVER or JJK? Orihime vs Mimosa Jugram vs Damnatio Bambietta vs Konan Masculine vs Toji Candice vs Fana Gremmy vs Zagred Tsukishima vs Yuta Chad vs Todo
The problem with Bleach powerscaling is that their world was built by nobles from the primordial world. And, my God, this (three)world(s) is so fragile. You can destroy one world and others will collapse. It's so bad that the character can't even go all out because of it. Senjumaru and Yamamoto use bankai = the three worlds are shaking; literally gods (Aizen, Yhwach, Ichigo) are fighting for their lives = nothing happens.
they're not worlds tho they're realms also this isn't really a problem unless you're obsessed with flashy explosions. As you can see there are still many ways to scale these characters but people just refuse to acknowledge the scientific aspects
I think Kubo just lied to us. It cannot be that the Nobels have created 3 realms the size of the universe for only a few million people and hollows. It could just be solar systems, IMHO, why would they need an entire space besides their planet@@ch0getsu
@@frostbitttenThinking the author lied is insane and this like asking why a person wants a whole mansion if there's only 1 person or why parallel dimension have to be different universe and not different Earths in different solar system or Galaxy. Can Solar systems connect the Dangai? Can Earth exist without the universe? Are there suns in the Garganta?
@@frostbitttenSuggesting that Kubo lied to us tells me that you haven't looked into this topic enough. There so much evidence evidence that these realms are Universal. Your point doesn't refute any of this at all.
8:02 we don’t have a concrete distance for the space between the dimensions. Senjumaru’s energy reach directly to Earth from the Dangai which would reduce the speed dramatically.
@@aizensworld9309 if her energy is reaching pass the dimensional barriers instead of just causing an imbalance then the Dangai involved if not then there’s currently no useful distance as there there’s no given distance between the worlds inside of the garganta.
Dangai can't be used without senkaimon . They need to open portal to dangai Dangai is basically isn't used there Squad 0 himself trying not to affect the realms so why there shock wave will open up a portal when Squad 0 don't want
you can't just take senjumaru's sp travel and apply a number to it, it's crossing dimensions, I might as well claim her power reached WoL faster than the SS down below because the dimensional barrier is right next to her, it also hit SS and WoL at, implied, the same time, which further makes some 1ly vs rp distance calcs very questionable I'm all up for and do argue mftl+ bleach but this is quite a strange way to put it - you can get any number you want out of this, including immeasurable either way, great job as always
10:10 the Mugen stretching for infinity is confirmed to be an illusion by the guide book so that wouldn’t really apply here because there is nothing saying the Mugen interferes with other sensory abilities.
pretty sure it's from a fanbook not databook, so it's not canon. also it's still infinite since it's as big as the living universe, which is stated to be infinite.
@@roywempor8395 the Mugen is never compared to the size of the living world which is explicitly made clear to be earth. There’s no infinite statements about the living world
10:34 you didn’t establish a good basis to claim speed is Aizen’s favor. You argument for his AP is decent even though you downplayed Kaguya in the middle of it.
Now I will say i do not agree with some of this, but i cant lie this is pretty accurate. Im currently trying to debunk some bleach metas and such, but until i can actually debunk it completely this is a pretty accurate depiction, but i will say i think its a stalemate considering both cant kill each other whatsoever. Madaras death was very situational and was pnly successful because it was a black zetsu (kaguyas literal will) who, at the time, posessed a fellow jinchuriki of the ten tails who did it to him
Curious, what are some of those point that you don't agree with? Madara's "Immortality" is overrated along with the TSO. It has been shown that Madara can't regenerate without a consciousness unlike Aizen, his lower half just lies on the ground. Even Lobo, Wolverine and Swampfire have better regeneration than that
@unificationdan4484 well technically madaras immortality is extremely underrated. See Madaras immortality after gaining both halves of the ten tails is a nigh perfected version and even if he has to have a consciousness, that just shows that he can't truly die because he's immortal both physically and spiritually. If his physical body is destroyed he still has his soul which still contains the ten tails which in of itself is everlasting and downright near indestructible (only way to kill an otsutsuki of a high tier is by another otsutsukis hands (this is not only implied but shown)) and he still has yin-yang release meaning he can just remake his body
aizen also wouldn't be able to kill his soul because, again, his soul and the ten tails soul is bonded and inseparable. The ten tails is kaguya incarnate (without the full extent of her chakra but with the lot of all of her abilities) so it can't die. Momoshiki being killed by Naruto also won't count against Kaguya because Kaguya had ate from a fruit that was far more powerful than anything momo ate along with it being filled with much more life. It seems that it's possible that she's immortal because her life span basically increases her physical immortality (similar to Father's from FMAB) or something else but this seems to be the best option there is
@@anarchyxgaming8478If the Ten Tails can regenerate even its soul from nothing then you got yourself a point, saying a creature that has never shown to regenerate from literally nothing to be immortal just because it's shown to be indestructible and said to be immortal can't be taken into consideration
11:52 Aizen hasn’t shown that resistance and have to prove the gap necessary for it to be a factor. Also the speed argument doesn’t work because we don’t have any distance and if Senjumaru’s energy traveled through the Dangai it wouldn’t have to be light speed at all to shake the soul society and earth.
Everyone talks about kyoka suigetsu is stronger then genjutsu yeah it's true after but infinite tsukiyomi is far more powerful then kyoka sugetsu, madara doesn't have to use infinite tsukiyomi but by that power he'll break out early or even more Rinnagan also can break out kyoka suigetu Rinnagan have counter infinite tsukiyomi which is more powerful then kyoka suigetu, even say Aizen immortality but Madara also an complete immortal if got vaporize cut into million pieces madara will regenerates even from nothing and immune to damage, Now chakra and riyatsu Aizen have no infinite Power supply at all Madara have infinite chakra he obtained eternity it's infinite. now close combat Aizen have no close hand to hand combot at all he maybe sword master but even it's comes to close hand to hand combat madara take win here, now madara chakra and Aizen riyatsu spiritual energy Aizen may become powerful by time pass he'll be getting even stronger but madara have unlimited chakra almost infinite chakra supply that kind of will take Aizen to reach forever, Now Aizen Attack everything is based on spiritual energy force field, hado 99, black coffee, cero energy light beam, but madara have a Rinnagan he'll absorb anything that energy based on Rinnagan doesn't not only absorb Ninjutsu it's absorb any energy attack in this Aizen attack will got into neutralized, Now Limbo clone Madara shadow moves in another dimension and co-exist in current dimension can't be seen or touch or sense it how Aizen going to hit lombo clone? Now AP and DC i don't know about Aizen but madara can create any massive amount by using YIN YANG RELEASE. Now hogyoku and the truth seeking orbs hogyoku may give him power what uses wishes want's but it's can't create what Doesn't exist in bleach nobody can't touch truth seeking orbs because who ever touch physically and spiritually he'll become dust in microscopic molecular level and Unless if you have sage power or six paths power that kind of power does not exist in bleach and best negate for hogyoku. Madara did die not because of Black zetsu stabbed madara from behind he died because of kaguya was manifesting from his body and she absorb all of madara chakra into nothing in very end Madara died because of chakra was completely absorbed into empty. I give you all the possible of winning of madara.
@@daddyGbaby infinite tsukiyomi doesn't have to use on aizen I.T it's not a weapon it's for a create dream world, but sharingan can see though any kind of illusion that aizen can create and Rinnagan can counter infinite tsukiyomi which is More powerful then aizen KS so with Rinnagan he'll break out freely.
@@folliblanc2447 aizen doesn't have sage power to counter truth seeking orbs without them who ever maybe or how multiversel strong maybe be he's become dust into size of atoms.
@@JayanthMD he has regenerated from vaporization, he couldn’t be executed by existence erasure and he is unscathed by atomization. Truth Seeking Orbs are doing nothing. He just gets right back up because of the hogyoku Edit: Guy cracked TSO with raw strength, Aizen is doing much more
Lol I had to reupload 😂
Copyright?
@@FrancisL4Dyeah
@@aizensworld9309please can you make a video about vasto lorde ichigo vs zaraki's bankai mode
I can’t believe this is even a debate. Honestly. The disrespect to Aizen is for real.
No surprise, Aizen was able to basically reach Godhood, while Madara merely achieved power of that of powerful aliens. Aizen was a puppeteer while Madara was a mere puppet. Aizen only lost in the end because of his own arrogance along with his deep seeded desire to lose, and his loneliness, while Madara got back stabbed by his supposed 'puppet' that was, in fact, his puppeteer and who was another's puppet.
Aizen is just on a completely different realm than Madara in every way, man never stood a chance.
My bro is spitting facts 💯
He was a God from the start he’s a Shinigami
In a battle between someone who died twice and someone who is unkillable, I think I will go with the one that cant die.
I mean it only makes sense.
This is probably going to become more of a stomp considering Aizen might get more feats in the anime.
For real. I'm looking forward to it. 🔥
Not even just the anime lol, the author revealed a bunch of canon info at the bleach expo and it was revealed that if you look at aizen now you fall under kyoka suigetsu
@@bungusbongusit’s been that way since he merged with his sword in the arrancar arc
Doesn’t matter. Base Aizen is more than enough to solo all Naruto.
The GOAT Aizen wins. Great video!
Aizen wins is a no brainer. Great vid
I swear people who take Edo Madara can destroy everything in the universe statement seriously as well as lowballing Aizen to just mountain level because he was impressed and conclude that it's his actually power level and even thinking Senjumaru's power just automatically appear/teleportand doesn't travel to shake the realms have some serious issues
i got the original translated it says all the things in nature not all the things in the universe
@@BleachLore Now that makes more sense but no doubt that some people will just try to argue all things in nature can mean all things in the universe
@@unificationdan4484even then it’s meant in a way like kenpachi statement if there is nothing he can’t cut
@@unificationdan4484 i have the scan and the translation of the raw
@@unificationdan4484The Edo Tensei are inferior to the Reaper Death seal Shinigami so Aizen should one shot that version of Madara
Once again, another great video. I really liked how well each of your points flowed into each other and that you are good at citing your calcs and sources.
Also props for not titling the video "The honest truth", "is not even close", or "ending the debate". Because I swear every versus video uses them nowadays.
Lol thank you!
It's real easy. Aizen casually obliterated a being that draws its power and operates on the concept of reason. He then evolves 3 more times before being sealed. And then becomes stronger then he was before while sealed. Madara may have stood a chance against base aizen.
Not even base Aizen, his KS and immense spiritual power and expert use of every SR ability like Hado and Shunpo is master level.
Don't forget he was the leader of the Arrancar. Beings that could easily destroy the Narutoverse on their own aswell.
Aisen is so well written
As always Aizen wins. Just getting hypnotized by Kyouka Suigetsu would be enough. Aizen was on a winning streak canon-wise, it can be said his biggest mistake was leaving Kisuke alive the night he turned the Vizards. And he still bids his time.
Powerful yet simple
Crazy how the speed you got for Senjumaru's Reiatsu can still be callled a lowball
It was a huge lowball!
yep... considering DBS fans use less impressive version of that to scale Beerus and Super Saiyan God Goku to infinite speeds 😂
Hello there, Just woke up from my nap in muken.
Cleanest analysis of this duel
Thank you!
Can you do group battle matchup?
Sternritter vs Paladins
Zero Squard vs Dark Triad
Yhwach & Aizen vs Lucifero & Zagred
bro bleach will crub stomp black clover
bad comparison, maybe gotei 13 lieutenants vs all the magic knights.
hollows vs devils.
There are also like two feats of characters blatently dodgjng light.
In soul society uryu outruns his shadow, moving so fast that by the time light has covered half his shadow hes already moved like a solid 6 metres.
The theres when Aaroniero who loses their ability when hit by light dodges light before it can hit him.
Uryu out ruining his Shadow would make him FTL
@@ChillDeathgod I know
Aizen got stronger just by sitting down, he's a different beast from Madara.
Fire upload 💯👌🏾🔥 Correction Senjumaru threated Multiple Universes not MultiGalxy or Multi Solar system . Idk what’s up with the lowballin the Power of Bleach verse when World means Universe & 3 Universes that are in the Main Universe
This is one of the most infamous VS battles. Though Madara came closer to achieving his goal. Aizen still had a lot of stepping stones after Ichigo and Urahara to walk over which he definitely would have .
Yeah he certainly did have a lot of barriers to cross! Also idk if you’re a fan of Supernatural tv show (based on your name) lol. But I’m watching that right now 😁
Also to be fair to Aizen, both on paper and in practice, his goal was faaar more difficult to achieve. So, the fact he got as close as he did is still far more impressive than Madara getting closer with his.
@@TuckerBowChicka1 Madara was also more lucky. His plans had so many flaws while his collaborator Obito already strayed from their original agreement. Kabuto could blackmail Obito by unleashing Edo Madara but frankly Obito didn't want to revive Madara by any chance.
@@Grayson-Winchester True, Madara got really lucky near the end there, only for all his luck to run out the moment he got penetrated from behind by Zetsu.
Im not even joking if you check aizens feats even aizens weakest kid form has enough sp to shred entire naruto verse into atoms
Not a close fight.
Talking about madara vs aizen is ppl forgot yhawch with Soul King absorbed and all shrifts he can use anytime. I'll be honest with you I personally not count madara after watching bleach
Edit: also aizen has 46 seals only 3 of them are released
Agree
Aizen masivly outscale and hes hax are better than madara
The reason this debate exists is because many people just outright refuse to understand that the power ceilings in the two verses are incomparable. You don't need to try calculating speeds and destructive potential(it's gnerally cringy anyways). The mangakas have portrayed the scale of what characters in both verses are capable of very well. If you've read or watched both naruto and bleach there shouldn't be a doubt in your mind that Madara would not even be able to perceive Aizen let alone fight him in any capacity. The Naruto verse was simply never meant to deal with beings of borderline conceptual level of power such as bleach characters. Though it got a bit exaggerated at the end of the war arc, it's generally way more grounded whereas bleach goes way above anything remotely comprehensible. Both power systems perfectly compliment their respective verses, but are not comparable to each other. Shinobi fights are for the most part a matter of wits, strategy and versatility. Majority of Shinobi are relative to each other in speed and power difference can often be ignored when weaker characters plan ahead or think on their feet.
Meanwhile the power system in bleach is written purposfully to portray opponents as insurmountable oceans of power whose mere presence causes lesser characters to freeze, choke and even outright die. At its darkest moments a lot of bleach fights are just meant to invoke feelings of desparation in the main cast. Not entirely unlike a Lovecraftian cosmic horror where people can despair and spiral into insanity from just a glimpse at the incomprehensable.
Captions be like: Mad I versus ssuk Eisen💀
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How would IT even work on Aizen and can you make a Itachi vs Minato or Pain vs Obito or Itachi as a starter Naruto videos?
Great options!
Why did it got removed earlier? Anyway good video
I had to shorten the ending song for copyright issues 😅
Thank you.
pre hogyoku aizen slaps the verse
Kaguya slams that fodder.😂
@@SirJuul in base form kyoka suigetsu , maybe you'd be correct
@@chrisboricua1911 where would you put aizen in terms of speed?
@@SirJuul fast enough to borderline blitz omnipresence💀 infinite speed plus he can stop time at any radius he wishes which surpasses moving light speed and striking light speed anyways
Coming with the heavy facts again I see.👍👍
You do know that the 3 realms are infinite in size so that would make Aizen High Universal to Multiversal+ because yhwach can see infinite possibilities and effect them then he transcends Soul Reapers and Hollows which make him 4D then Ichigo transcended Aizen which make ichigo 5D then he lost his powers then regain the same power he defeated Aizen with and fought yhwach making yhwach 5D and Aizen 5D since he’s able to affect yhwach
He’s gets to high universal - low multi from being able to harm yhwach darkness across different realms
Him effecting yhwach wouldn’t dimensional increase his scaling
(Though you could argue Aizen dimensional transcendence, is literal and he literally transcend soul reapers and hollows, and then transcend that in form 3 or 4 of the hogueku which would be low complex, but its take his own word for it so it’s iffy)
Can you do BLEACH VS BLACK CLOVER or JJK?
Orihime vs Mimosa
Jugram vs Damnatio
Bambietta vs Konan
Masculine vs Toji
Candice vs Fana
Gremmy vs Zagred
Tsukishima vs Yuta
Chad vs Todo
Tsukishima would have Yuta crying like a wounded puppy 😂😂😂
orihime rejects mimosa's existence
jurgram outstats
Bambi outstats
mask outstats
candice outstats
gremmy outstats
uncle tsukishima outhax
I can't imagine chad losing
Base aizen is enough
i got the Auswählen at mftl
@@BleachLore *Supersonic
@@BleachLore correct.
hes already in base in tybw💀 you mean shinigami pre hogyoku aizen
I would like to see Aizen vs Madara equal stats
Prob aizen still
Aizen high diffs
@@Kenos347Low- Mid Diff
Hey man, what chapter is this scan in the manga 11:20
Cook. 🔥
My favorite iteration of this debate is still the fan animation by GKombat. Regardless of accuracy
Yamamoto should just go to the Naruto verse and flex his bankai
Like there wasnt even any competiton to begin with
The problem with Bleach powerscaling is that their world was built by nobles from the primordial world. And, my God, this (three)world(s) is so fragile. You can destroy one world and others will collapse. It's so bad that the character can't even go all out because of it. Senjumaru and Yamamoto use bankai = the three worlds are shaking; literally gods (Aizen, Yhwach, Ichigo) are fighting for their lives = nothing happens.
they're not worlds tho they're realms also this isn't really a problem unless you're obsessed with flashy explosions. As you can see there are still many ways to scale these characters but people just refuse to acknowledge the scientific aspects
I think Kubo just lied to us. It cannot be that the Nobels have created 3 realms the size of the universe for only a few million people and hollows. It could just be solar systems, IMHO, why would they need an entire space besides their planet@@ch0getsu
@@frostbitttenThinking the author lied is insane and this like asking why a person wants a whole mansion if there's only 1 person or why parallel dimension have to be different universe and not different Earths in different solar system or Galaxy. Can Solar systems connect the Dangai? Can Earth exist without the universe? Are there suns in the Garganta?
@@frostbitttenSuggesting that Kubo lied to us tells me that you haven't looked into this topic enough. There so much evidence evidence that these realms are Universal. Your point doesn't refute any of this at all.
@@frostbitttenAlso The nobles didn't create 3 Universes. They used the Soul King's Power to split one BIG Universe
because the fact that senjumaru's power crosses a large scalar distance for speed?
Aizen wins for sure
Immortal person vs glass boy? lol
8:02 we don’t have a concrete distance for the space between the dimensions. Senjumaru’s energy reach directly to Earth from the Dangai which would reduce the speed dramatically.
No we have a useful distance which is far greater than the lowball which I used. Dangai is irrelevant: no senkaimon.
@@aizensworld9309 if her energy is reaching pass the dimensional barriers instead of just causing an imbalance then the Dangai involved if not then there’s currently no useful distance as there there’s no given distance between the worlds inside of the garganta.
Dangai can't be used without senkaimon . They need to open portal to dangai
Dangai is basically isn't used there
Squad 0 himself trying not to affect the realms so why there shock wave will open up a portal when Squad 0 don't want
@@onesmart229 Dangai was never opened, the power just simply travelled through space and beyond to reach other realms
you can't just take senjumaru's sp travel and apply a number to it, it's crossing dimensions, I might as well claim her power reached WoL faster than the SS down below because the dimensional barrier is right next to her, it also hit SS and WoL at, implied, the same time, which further makes some 1ly vs rp distance calcs very questionable
I'm all up for and do argue mftl+ bleach but this is quite a strange way to put it - you can get any number you want out of this, including immeasurable
either way, great job as always
Royal palace dimension is in Soul Society.
@@aizensworld9309you know what I meant
10:10 the Mugen stretching for infinity is confirmed to be an illusion by the guide book so that wouldn’t really apply here because there is nothing saying the Mugen interferes with other sensory abilities.
pretty sure it's from a fanbook not databook, so it's not canon.
also it's still infinite since it's as big as the living universe, which is stated to be infinite.
@@roywempor8395 the Mugen is never compared to the size of the living world which is explicitly made clear to be earth. There’s no infinite statements about the living world
@@onesmart229 the soul society not the muken,
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10:50 the light from the moon is omnidirectional there’s no where for Aizen to dodge to.
10:34 you didn’t establish a good basis to claim speed is Aizen’s favor. You argument for his AP is decent even though you downplayed Kaguya in the middle of it.
Now I will say i do not agree with some of this, but i cant lie this is pretty accurate. Im currently trying to debunk some bleach metas and such, but until i can actually debunk it completely this is a pretty accurate depiction, but i will say i think its a stalemate considering both cant kill each other whatsoever. Madaras death was very situational and was pnly successful because it was a black zetsu (kaguyas literal will) who, at the time, posessed a fellow jinchuriki of the ten tails who did it to him
Curious, what are some of those point that you don't agree with? Madara's "Immortality" is overrated along with the TSO. It has been shown that Madara can't regenerate without a consciousness unlike Aizen, his lower half just lies on the ground. Even Lobo, Wolverine and Swampfire have better regeneration than that
@unificationdan4484 well technically madaras immortality is extremely underrated. See Madaras immortality after gaining both halves of the ten tails is a nigh perfected version and even if he has to have a consciousness, that just shows that he can't truly die because he's immortal both physically and spiritually. If his physical body is destroyed he still has his soul which still contains the ten tails which in of itself is everlasting and downright near indestructible (only way to kill an otsutsuki of a high tier is by another otsutsukis hands (this is not only implied but shown)) and he still has yin-yang release meaning he can just remake his body
aizen also wouldn't be able to kill his soul because, again, his soul and the ten tails soul is bonded and inseparable. The ten tails is kaguya incarnate (without the full extent of her chakra but with the lot of all of her abilities) so it can't die. Momoshiki being killed by Naruto also won't count against Kaguya because Kaguya had ate from a fruit that was far more powerful than anything momo ate along with it being filled with much more life. It seems that it's possible that she's immortal because her life span basically increases her physical immortality (similar to Father's from FMAB) or something else but this seems to be the best option there is
Sealing kido? 90-99 kido?
@@anarchyxgaming8478If the Ten Tails can regenerate even its soul from nothing then you got yourself a point, saying a creature that has never shown to regenerate from literally nothing to be immortal just because it's shown to be indestructible and said to be immortal can't be taken into consideration
11:52 Aizen hasn’t shown that resistance and have to prove the gap necessary for it to be a factor. Also the speed argument doesn’t work because we don’t have any distance and if Senjumaru’s energy traveled through the Dangai it wouldn’t have to be light speed at all to shake the soul society and earth.
Madara cant probably even beat Kenpachi. Shinigami Aizen is best he can do and even then If latter uses bankai its likely over
Truth seeking orb only negate ninjutsu, if that's true sakura would be dead now
Madara > Bleach Verse
Exactly.
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Everyone talks about kyoka suigetsu is stronger then genjutsu yeah it's true after but infinite tsukiyomi is far more powerful then kyoka sugetsu, madara doesn't have to use infinite tsukiyomi but by that power he'll break out early or even more Rinnagan also can break out kyoka suigetu Rinnagan have counter infinite tsukiyomi which is more powerful then kyoka suigetu,
even say Aizen immortality but Madara also an complete immortal if got vaporize cut into million pieces madara will regenerates even from nothing and immune to damage,
Now chakra and riyatsu Aizen have no infinite Power supply at all Madara have infinite chakra he obtained eternity it's infinite.
now close combat Aizen have no close hand to hand combot at all he maybe sword master but even it's comes to close hand to hand combat madara take win here,
now madara chakra and Aizen riyatsu spiritual energy Aizen may become powerful by time pass he'll be getting even stronger but madara have unlimited chakra almost infinite chakra supply that kind of will take Aizen to reach forever,
Now Aizen Attack everything is based on spiritual energy force field, hado 99, black coffee, cero energy light beam, but madara have a Rinnagan he'll absorb anything that energy based on Rinnagan doesn't not only absorb Ninjutsu it's absorb any energy attack in this Aizen attack will got into neutralized,
Now Limbo clone Madara shadow moves in another dimension and co-exist in current dimension can't be seen or touch or sense it how Aizen going to hit lombo clone?
Now AP and DC i don't know about Aizen but madara can create any massive amount by using YIN YANG RELEASE.
Now hogyoku and the truth seeking orbs hogyoku may give him power what uses wishes want's but it's can't create what Doesn't exist in bleach nobody can't touch truth seeking orbs because who ever touch physically and spiritually he'll become dust in microscopic molecular level and Unless if you have sage power or six paths power that kind of power does not exist in bleach and best negate for hogyoku.
Madara did die not because of Black zetsu stabbed madara from behind he died because of kaguya was manifesting from his body and she absorb all of madara chakra into nothing in very end Madara died because of chakra was completely absorbed into empty.
I give you all the possible of winning of madara.
to bad infinite tsukiyomi only works on living things and not spiritual beings or the undead
Whole lot of wrong 👎🏾
Truth seeking orbs are not doing anything to Aizen.
@@daddyGbaby infinite tsukiyomi doesn't have to use on aizen I.T it's not a weapon it's for a create dream world, but sharingan can see though any kind of illusion that aizen can create and Rinnagan can counter infinite tsukiyomi which is More powerful then aizen KS so with Rinnagan he'll break out freely.
@@folliblanc2447 aizen doesn't have sage power to counter truth seeking orbs without them who ever maybe or how multiversel strong maybe be he's become dust into size of atoms.
@@JayanthMD he has regenerated from vaporization, he couldn’t be executed by existence erasure and he is unscathed by atomization.
Truth Seeking Orbs are doing nothing. He just gets right back up because of the hogyoku
Edit: Guy cracked TSO with raw strength, Aizen is doing much more
This man aizen caught yhwach lacking who was literally a god and could see and change the future in his illusion the fight would only take 2 min max