I'm allergic to cow's milk, so I have to be really careful and make sure none of my food has milk listed in the ingredients. It is crazy to me that people think that they are essentially entirely giving up cow's milk just by giving up the stuff from the jug. There are sooooooooooo many things that aren't even obvious to people that don't have to avoid it that are full to bursting with cow's milk. Lots of sauces will have milk or butter or whey in. Cereal might have dried forms of milk in, especially when they're of the chocolate variety. I'm not even safe with 'plant based' things, they might still have milk in. You have to check EVERY SINGLE LABEL and go to the trouble of asking servers at almost every restaurant (because most suck about listing their allergens) to check if something has milk in. It's a lot of work and I don't understand why anyone would do it just for funsies
Unfortunately it is the same as soon as you try to avoid a food : sugar is everywhere, palm oil also, and gluten is more present than air. Some people don't drink cow"s milk "from the bottle" because they just don't feel like. It's not "the funsies", it's just a personal choice I don't see why you are so butthurt about it
If you mean vegans it's because the idea of drinking milk is more distressing than avoiding it so it's worth that effort, I'm lactose intolerant so have to avoid milk and it isn't that difficult in the UK at least (we legally have to have it clearly listed on all packaging, including risk of cross contamination)
@@etdicila8894 I wasn't suggesting this was in any way unique to cow's milk, merely pointing out that those who do want to fully cut out cow's milk from their diet for whatever reason are probably going to have a harder time at it than they think. Heck, I'm having a hard time at it, and I've had to be doing it for my whole life. It's also perfectly fine not to drink cow's milk for whatever reason, but people doing that should also be aware that it's probably not putting a big dent in how much cow's milk they consume, unless they eat lots of cereal and drinks with milk in and everything else they eat is almost entirely handmade from scratch.
@@pgakt I more meant those only cutting out milk from the jug for climate/health reasons as shown in the video. I also live in the UK, I think it's a lot easier to avoid the big sources of milk here (milk alternatives are readily available and so are cheeses, yoghurts, butters, and ice-creams) than it is to avoid all the little places it shows up everywhere, like I have to. It's not impossible, but it takes a lot of shopping around and learning what to stay away from
my brother was allergic to milk when he was a child, he went through a special therapy to acclimatise his body to milk, and now he's fine with it. Ironically, he's also allergic to nuts, and that hasn't gone away, so the option for milk alternatives were quite narrow when we were kids.
I was also allergic to both milk and nuts when I was a kid, but I grew out of them. Well, not quite, since I still test as allergic to nuts, especially peanuts (which aren’t actually real nuts) but I don’t have a problem eating them. My brother still can’t, though.
Problem is pasteurised milk, I've switched many to raw milk and they've had no issues now. Luckily in the UK we can get raw milk, butter and cheese but not always easily accessible.
@IntercityLisko Yeah, no problem that I'm aware of. I mean, I might medically be allergic, but in practice I don't have any reactions worth mentioning.
@IntercityLisko Well, I have bunch of other allergies as well, including pets. It's almost always about loose hairs. So if you keep the pets and house clean, then it's often okay.
After some digging I came to the conclusion that to me personally, the best option is locally produced oat milk! This video absolutely highlights the fact that there is no "one solution fits all" in these questions and that we all should do a little bit of research where we get our food from and what it is. Thank you Ann!
Tbh i'm more prone to trust Anne since ya know FOOD scientist and well there is no history of misinformation that i am aware of, and Mat unfortunately..well if he is willing to lie about video games he is likely to lie about food
@@hornedskullasmr7811 I think what a lot of people forget is that its game, film, food 'theory' hes saying its a theory, he isnt lying about games or food, hes just giving his ideas, and i think a lot of people forget that. But I agree u should trust ann more for food considering she is a food scientist, but my point is that his videos are theory videos, not confirmed, not saying if you dont do this its wrong, but the fact that they are ideas based off some research.
@@antoinebutterfly8555 Hey... everyone makes mistakes. In Mat's response video, he mentions that his team overlooked the cabbage thing. It was an honest mistake, but sure, act immature over something as small as that.
The introduction of lactose free milk has helped my family a lot, the dairy alternatives are so expensive here and it just makes such a difference for all of us lactose intolerants in the family :) love this in depth look:)
Hello, fellow lactose intolerant family! :D Just curious, is there also no "organic" lactose free milk available to you where you live? Because where I live, there's either regular milks, "organic" milks, plant milks, OR lactose free milks, but I've never, ever seen an "organic" lactose free milk, and it's actually kind of upsetting the option doesn't seem to exist, which is one reason I buy a lot of plant milk. If I had ethically sourced lactose free milk available to me, that would be an awesome option.
@@hannahg.8572 You should inquire what the term "organic" has to legally entail where you live; it's possible that the processing necessary to make lactose-free milk would barr the producers from labeling their product as "organic", even if the milk otherwise satisfies the criteria.
@@DangerSquiggles You're completely right, the reason I was using "organic" in parantheses was because it's the closest translation to the label used in the country I live in, but it's not a literal equivalent in terms of what that actually entails. Sadly that doesn't change that there are only like 2-3 common brands that offer lactose free options, which one can assume are the same quality as the other milk they sell, while the known animal-friendly brands only sell "natural" milk full of lactose, as far as I have seen. :(
@@hannahg.8572 It's extremely hard to find organic milk that's also lactose free as there isn't much of a market for it. To be classified as organic in the United States at least, every part of the process the milk under goes needs to be certified as organic, which gets quite expensive. If you are concerned about organics, a lot of products (especially at health food stores) will state they were made with organic food, even if the final product isn't fda approved as organic. If you are in Europe unfortunately getting organic food is a nightmare. There are lots of subsidies for traditional foods in Europe, meaning that "ethical" practices for food growing and animal raising isn't as prevalent, especially within the dairy industry.
@@hannahg.8572 I get Organic Valley lactose free milk. There are a couple other brands of organic lactose free milk at my local grocery stores too... But I'm also in Wisconsin. We have a loooooot of milk options here.
If you live in the US, bear in mind that plant milks in grocery stores don’t legally have to be fortified, so always look on the label to see. Also, calcium-set tofu is a good thing to add to your diet if you’re looking to get more calcium. Not all tofu is calcium-set, so be sure to check.
I know everyone is trying to do their best for animals and environment but soy and avocados are some of the worst things for the environment unfortunately. I'm sticking w regular cows milk personally but as long as everyone knows it purely effects animals and not environment, drink what u like 😄
@@rubthesleep First, no one is drinking avocado milk. I would go back and compare different plant milks to cows milk before making that decision. Second, animal agriculture in general (including meat, milk and eggs) is one of the leading causes of climate change, and the more humane it is for the animals, the worse of an impact it has on the environment. Factory farming takes less land, time, and resources than humane farming. To solve both problems at once, I’m just avoiding animal products altogether.
@@rubthesleep As bad as they can be, animal agriculture is worse. The argument is nor even about the treatment of animals, but the environmental impact.
7:40 I really appreciate the visual representation here. I struggle a lot with imagining just how much or how big something is when given only a measurement and find myself trying to compare it to something that i actually do know the size of, which doesn't usually work when talking about weights of food. The visual representation helps so much more than just the weight, so thank you again.
Bioavailability of calcium For example, dairy foods have a bioavailablity of about 30% absorption so if a food label on milk lists 300 mg of calcium per cup, about 100 mg will be absorbed and used by the body.
Haha. That's so true! I'm literally laughing out loud at that segment. Imagine a kid, mom says "don't drink your milk, here have a Kilo of broccoli". Hahaha
Okay but what about sesame seeds, tofu, collard greens? All of these have more calcium in much more realistic amounts and Ann didn't even mention them. Her video makes it seem like the 3 options she showed are the highest plant sources of calcium other than fortified foods and they're not. Even if that's what these articles she's reading mentioned, she could have done research on her own to find more realistic sources of plant calcium
I'm very glad you bring up the point about phytates and oxalates. It comes up all the time in the clinic whenever people are surprised they have iron deficiency anaemia despite eating large amounts of leafy green, and they're always so shocked when I tell them that the phytates and oxalates chelate out the iron and calcium and make them unavailable to absorb. And then I always have to reiterate that leafy greens are great to eat to get your vitamins and that just because they're technically iron/calcium poor is not an excuse to eliminate leafy greens from the diet lmao. This is why health education and food education are so important, because most of them believe in the hype around these foods so much, but when they realise what's actually going on, well... In the words of the great Beyoncé and Lady Gaga, trust is like a mirror-you can fix it if it's broken, but...
As an agricultural researcher, I really appreciate your acknowledging how hard it is to quantify environmental impact due to the many factors that go into making, storing, and transporting a product. The exact same product, produced at two different locations, can have vastly different environmental impacts. The obvious factor here is the energy needed for transportation, but also consider things like where is the water coming from (rainfall or maybe a river that is being pumped dry to meet human water demands), what was the land before production started (i.e. are you using existing farmland or are you converting natural land), what kind of soils are you dealing with (sandy soils are particularly prone to leaching, where fertilizers, stored animal manure, and other inputs are more like to travel through the soil and into the groundwater that humans use for drinking water), etc.
You say the “obvious factor”. That’s a matter if prospective. If you look at it from a carbon perspective the “obvious factor” is different. I’ve seen plenty of analysis that shows the GHG emissions associated with dairy, nothing that counteracts that. If there was evidence to show it, you’d think the dairy lobby would be shouting about it.
Thanks for these considerations! I'd also say that one of the best things you can do in general is make sure that you're eating as locally as possible, and especially foods that are adapted to the area you live in - heritage crops, etc. It's hard to find everything you need that way but it can be so worth it to know who is farming your food and how it gets to your plate.
@@symetryrtemys2101 GHGs are only ONE among a number of environmental issues that need to be considered, but I have read studies and reports that contradict the commonly held belief you espouse. Why weren't they talked about more? That comes down to who decides what information is worth reporting. If you look at the state of media today you may actually be able to see where the issue lies. The problem is far more complex than just GHGs, though, and that is what Kirsten was getting at. Deforestation is just as devastating to the environment, but in an entirely different way, and soil leaching is even MORE problematic as it can render arable land non-arable meaning LESS land is available to grow in. My point is, picking a single issue and using that as the sole metric, as many are wont to do, drastically underplays the other environmental issues surrounding each form of agriculture, be it crop or livestock. My recommendation is to take another look at Kirsten's comment and learn about the other environmental factors she wrote about, because they may impact your viewpoint.
Also type of animal, lower impact ruminants like Goats will have a lesser effect on grazing lands compared to cows because of their ability to process much lower quality feed stocks (i.e scrublands rather than managed pasture) However the counter to this would be the use of goats to deforest land that otherwise unsuitable for cropping and grazing and hence left to the local environment, is now available for farming.
Interestingly, I've found that the lactose-free milk keeps for a lot longer than regular milk. It doesn't go sour as quickly, probably because the fermentation doesn't happen in the same way with the lactase added. It is a big plus for me, since I only use a little bit for my morning tea every day.
A lot of the process of milk going bad is bacteria and fungi eating the sugar and then farting and crapping in the milk. So I can see why milk without the milk sugar would keep longer. No lactose for the bacteria and fungi to eat, nothing for them to fart/poop out.
Not sure about the milk where you live, but a tetrapack of normal milk last me up to three weeks when kept in the fridge. Mind you I only use it for cooking after a week or so has passed, because while the taste isn't off, it's not worth the risk of potential e. coli. 🤷
@@Ms3queen as Ann said I'm the video with the carbonated milk, what causes it to go sour is the butyric acid, Wich is the waste of some bacteria that eats lactose. So yeah, without lactose there's no food and thus no sour milk ( at least until the fat in the milk starts going rancid)
It's great seeing plant based milk talked about in a normal, non-biased way. I'm lactose intolerant so I have to have alternatives, and I get a lot of comments who say, "You know it's actually worse for you, right?" without knowing that I can't digest cow's milk. I hope non dairy milk can be seen more as an alternative instead of a 'better/worse' kind of competition.
Oh yeah. This absolutely exists. For a while I had to go dairy-free, and I was a bit annoyed by the "almond milk is not real milk" thing. I got it from family members. They were mostly just funning, but I rolled my eyes at it. Like the dairy industry has the trademark on any substance called "milk." Um...we know it's not cow's milk. That's the point. I had to laugh too, after watching a "Tasting History" episode where Max looks at a medieval document that very clearly calls almond milk "almonde mylke." Sorry everyone. That's just what it's called! Has been for a long time!
Is that really happening? I find that a lot of people for no particular reason go “dairy free” because it’s trendy. People self diagnosing as lactose intolerant is also a big thing.
@@kristin123a I mean the thing with lactose intolorance is you don't need to go to a doctor's office to get an official diagnosis of an intolerance. Intolerance is a different thing than a milk allergy. If you drink milk and you get a really bad stomachache afterwards everytime, you probably have an intolerance to dairy. I'm not paying for a doctor's visit just to get told that information. It took me a while to figure it out, but I've discovered that if there's a higher content of milk or lactose in something, I have a worse reaction. For example, when I eat butter or Parmesan cheese, there is no reaction because there's little to no lactose in those items. But if I drink something with whole milk or eat ice cream, I have a much stronger reaction. Also, no one is required to disclose their dietary choices for you, and if someone said "because it's trendy/everyone else is doing it" that's just a canned response that isn't so personal.
@@kristin123a I get extremely sick when I have any dairy, I've had many people assume I'm vegan or just trying to quirky. About 60% of the time I get what I actually order, and the other times people scoff or make some comment, at least in my area. I have to make it extemely clear that I have lactose issues or I might get unlucky. I'm happy for you if this isn't a problem where you live, but it's something I have to face constantly.
@@mirandacasper6151 She's talking about the victimhood cult people who need things to be "special" for themselves. They'll go from eating dairy nonstop to suddenly being intolerant or "allergic" to it because they've decided they can accrue victim points from it. You'll know exactly who they are because they'll never shut up about it. People who are actually lactose intolerant don't feel the need to mention it at every possible opportunity.
Fun fact about bone density: one of the common osteoporosis medicines is a strontium supplement. Strontium is chemically similar to calcium, so it can fit into bones, but it doesn't leave the bones as easily as calcium. Related fun fact: One of the reasons they stopped aboveground nuclear testing is they figured out radioactive forms of strontium from the bombs were ending up in kids' bones and getting stuck there, and there was concern that that'd cause cancer.
This was beautifully informative, thank you. I used to live in the Central Valley of California, a local farmer called “Rosa Bros.” Produces their own milk and dairy. They started with just milk but asked their consumers whom purchased their milk at local grocery stores that the milk was distributed to save the bottles they used. They would save them and bring them back to the store where the grocers would hold onto them for someone to come collect the bottles. They would be washed and sterilized and filled again. It was like a milk man for the masses.
There is a dairy like that near me in Southeastern Michigan, and I love the glass bottles, for the re-use (instead of recycling) factor, and I find milk and cream out of glass bottles tastes better!
@@TheRocketbabydoll yes, I grew up with milk delivery as well, in Australia. You'd put your empty glass bottles out and they'd be reused. Sometimes the magpies would poke holes in the shiny tops, trying to get them. There was always that bit of cream on top. I remember telling my kids about it, they were so surprised.
As a dairy farmer that is responsible for calves I would like to add that we don't separate the calves for the milk as the first days the calf gets colostrum which the first couple of days is not for human consumption (some exceptions), but for the calves health. Research and experience shows that a higher percentage of calves survive that way. Some calves had a hard birthing which makes them too weak to drink or they are just a bit dumb and don't get what to do fast enough. Some mumcows need rest after birthing and won't stand up for a little while, don't have enough milk or they walk away when the calf wants to drink. As the first 2 days of colustrum are essential to survival we milk the cow, monitor it and give it to get calf or when issues arise supplement with colostrum from another cow that we get from the freezer and warm up. The calf I feed myself and check up at the same time (if they eat enough, no diarrhoea, navel heals well, etc.). They see me as their mum and I make sure they are taken care of. I love the calves and it's a lifestyle.
But land cleared for crops? What about the rainforest? That’s being cleared for cattle, so I’ve heard. And anyway, how is that an answer to using grazing area for raising vegetables?
@@hopegold883 The land we farm on has been farmed on since the middle ages, so there is no additional clearing here and I am currently planting 20 more trees for my own pleasure and for the environment. Our fields are also very impractically small and oddly shaped due to being older which in turn makes it less efficient for the large machinery for wheat. Also there is a lot of clay and wetness in our soil (heavy soil) which makes it harder for large machines and some crops as well. Farmers do try to be efficient and generalisations of third world practices do not help. I am a dutch farmer who produce a lot of the milk consumed worldwide.
@@franciscas1938 planting trees doesn't really help the environment compared to the environmental damage caused by cattle production(and doesn't do a whole lot overall because we can't outplant the rainforest destruction caused from cattle production). Even just the cows you raise produce far more green house gasses than your entire field filled with trees would use in equivalent Co2. The issue is more industrial farms for sure but I would assume even you as a dairy farmer sell the calves for slaughter and after those 2 days put them on formula and when the cows stop producing I doubt you just feed them and love on them all day. You might but again I doubt you have the land for that humanely. Even if you do...99% of farms don't. When a cow isn't profitable they kill them or sell them to be killed. These industries are 100% related. You can't say you love something that you support and allow to live only as long as it is profitable. You can't humanely kill things because they are inconvenient to you. Selling them for other people to kill is still killing them. These are just some of the reasons why you can paint it however you want but you are not this in the field by hand milking the extra to use for your family and neighbors while letting the calves get their fill. This would be a lifestyle. You have a job. There is a very big difference.
12:20 "legally they have to be fortified" depends on what country you're in. In the uk, some milk alternatives have added calcium, and some don't. Check the packaging to make sure.
No supplement!? There, i may have grown deficient if i werent interested in food science. some governments seem pro-Natural Selection while others aim for Nanny State. As with many health related things, the most benefits are in moderation.
I’m curious - when foods/drinks are fortified with calcium, where does that calcium typically come from? Is it from rocks? Is it extracted from calcium-rich foods? Does the source make a difference in how it is absorbed?
there could be multiple different sources but the most common compound is calcium carbonate. the compound makes the difference not the source. clacium citrate or a ligand calcium is best absorbed.
This is exactly the type of content we need more of on the internet. Unbiased, informative. Not "you must or must not do this or that because I say so" Almost nothing in life is so black an white as "this specific thing is healthy and this other thing isn't" The answer is always somewhere in between and it always depends. I strongly dislike healthy products fear mongering. What so very few people are willing to do is a balanced side by side comparison like this. Inform us in comprehensible understandable ways the benefits of consequences of either side and allow us the option to make an informed decision for ourselves what will work best for us. Ann, you have always chosen the approach to inform us, give us the tools to make our own decisions, it is always appreciated. I appreciate the amount of research you always do in all of your videos and I can for 100% certain say that your videos do make an impact.
I think you really want it to be not be clear that milk is unhealthy because it benefits you. I can't imagine how you got milk is healthy or somewhat okay from this video. No one is eating 250g of kale. No one is saying kids should eat it either. They are saying if you eat a whole food plant based diet that has lots of variety of beans/lentils, nuts, seeds, greens, fruit you are EASILY meeting your calcium requirements and will have the best health outcomes. This is the scientific consensus. So, why consume bovine mammary secretions? We cannot have an unbiased discussion about food and health where a product that isn't even human food is an option cause it is not food.
@@Andrew-hx9tz This is true technically, but if you eat a whole food plant based diet (so I'm assuming no processed food?), your blood cells will become malformed and your nerves will slowly degrade, because there is not a single plant based source of vitamin b12.
@@Andrew-hx9tz sounds like soy rage to me. Anyways she did amazing on the video because I love my dairy. I don't care much for plant based milks. I'll have it time to time but nothing like milk to me and my family. I did come from being a vegetarian to eating meat. I do feel better then when I was on that diet
My 12-year-old who was born with lactose intolerance he wants to thank you for the inclusion and very clear explanation. He had me send him a link to this video with a time stamp so he can share it with his friends to explain to them why he can’t have milk, yogurt, most cheeses, etc. Lactose intolerance from birth is very rare and definitely caused more issues in times past than now. I had to keep him on special formula as an infant and once he was old enough it was easy to switch him to lactose-free milk and otherwise to watch his diet and make sure he got enough calcium, fat, and vitamin-D. Now the hardest part is the lack of cheese, especially since he’s at an age where pizza parties are so common. Things were undoubtedly harder for my brother, dad, and great uncles who were all born with lactose intolerance. There’s so many more lactose-free and vegan alternatives for most dairy products that even in my small city they’re mostly available.
One of my cousin’s babies was born lactose intolerant too! So difficult and I imagine it only gets harder when they’re school age, like you said, where you’re not there helping control everything they’re offered. I was visiting my cousin once, and the baby’s older sister is very headstrong. I looked over when they’d gotten unusually quiet and she was trying to feed the baby a milkshake!! I tried to explain to her how she can’t feed the baby without mom around, especially milk, but she just blew me off. Mom didn’t talk to her about it at all 😬 Idk how they all survive in that house lol but I’m glad the baby is okay
Lily A. Yikes! I was only able to have one kid and I got lucky that one of his interests early on was anatomy and how bodies work (when he was 4, his favorite book was an anatomy book made for 3rd graders, lol). So I was able to explain to him in little kid terms what lactose intolerance is and what foods he can and can’t eat. He was usually okay with trying new foods with a lactase pill to see how much it helped. But we quickly learned that foods with a lot of milk or cream still make him sick even with a lactase pill or two. So foods like ice cream, milkshakes, or Alfredo sauces are permanently off the menu. But there’s ways around it. For example, it’s hard to go out for ice cream or milkshakes as a reward for something, but we sometimes go to Starbucks and get strawberry Frappuccinos. If he gets a soy or oat milk one, it’s close to a milkshake. For birthday parties we often bring a pint of dairy free ice cream for him. Sometimes we bring 2 pints because the other kids are almost always curious and will want some. For his own birthday party a few times we had snow cones instead of birthday cake. That way we didn’t have to worry about the frosting. The kids *loved* it and it worked well since he has a friend that’s allergic to wheat. It was the first birthday party she’d been to that she could eat the treats. I think if a parent is open with their kid about what their condition is and educates them about what they can and can’t eat (and maybe makes them part of that process) early on it’s not as scary. Especially if the child is strong willed. It was more scary when I was a kid when people were less aware of food allergies and intolerances. These days teachers are a lot more aware and know to watch out for these things.
this video is bad and explain almost nothing about why he can't get the milk .. just find a better video for your specific case. It's much better for your child.
Actually a lovely little farm called Elgaar Farm in Tassie discovered that actually, if you leave the bobby calves with their mothers, they just produce more milk. Very wholesome little bunch. Used to be able to get their milk in Melbs but I think their supply chain went.
Had there been a formal study, most farms would think twice (just a saying. More like tenfold) before sending away the poor baby cows. Then processing them. Don't tell the cows.
@@nodezsh No one is going to think twice. They produce more milk. Not enough milk to compensate giving the milk to the calves. Esp if you had to keep the males around. Esp on an industrial scale when profits need to be much better and that many heads cannot be properly monitored.
It just a cow ( Im saying this with full respect , in case u don't know ) . But the cows are property of the farmer and thats not really a case of an abused animal so it can u explain ( again , with full respect ) why u are so sad ?
Yeah, but don't humanize them. They're animals, and the same way you see the cow chasing the calf or playing, you can see them stomping chicks into mush just for fun or rejecting the calf when it's born, and you hear it cry and she wants nothing to do with it, and will try to kill it if given the chance.
Another thing I see often (student dietitian here) when people talk about the nutrients of kidney beans is comparing their dry weight (unsoaked) with milk instead of their soaked/cooked weight which can be just as misleading as talking about gram for gram rather than comparing servings. It's no wonder people get confused! 🌯🥫 Thanks again for your awesome content Ann ❤️
I think the only think that is confusing people are the industry funded studied that make it into place like People magazine because they tell us what we want to hear. I am sorry but dairy is scary. There is no arguing this from a scientifically sound place. A couple cups of beans/lentils, plenty of veggies esp cooked greens, some seeds you are easily hitting RDAs. It isn't wrong. No one is going around eating 250 grams of JUST raw kale. Kids love kale smoothies and well seasoned cooked greens though. At least kids that are raised on cooked greens. No one is going to argue its not easier to drink milk. Take a multivitamin and eat potato chips if you want all good. It is easy. However, milk is in no means healthy. Even the processed lower fat versions you typically imagine.
@@Andrew-hx9tz I don't know but soooo many people have issues with milk. Especially after 30s or 40s. Most people I know have to lower the amount of milk consumption a lot. I developed severe intolerances towards any milk products over the years and almost puked after one spoon of lasagna that had cheese in it. I sat there sweating, afraid to move, it was so bad. I rather take the 1 kilo of broccoli 😂
My brother had such painful lactose intolerance (and we ate so much dairy) that before it was diagnosed, he had to stop marching band, and his doctor thought he might have a hernia or something. Then one night he took lactase before a cheesy dinner just to see… and his months-long pain was gone. He was so annoyed that the solution was that simple.
I grew up next to my local dairy farm, I have fond memories of popping next door and getting a glass bottle of milk for home, and then returning the glass bottle once empty, they would sterilize all the bottles and reuse them. I moved away and that same local dairy delivers milk locally in the glass bottles and they pick up the bottles on the next delivery, they have expanded and now make their own yoghurts and cheese (which we also buy). I do pay more for my milk that if I bought from a shop, but I am supporting a local business and family.
That's a dream come true for me! I wish I could find a local farm to get raw milk, it's much better for you than killing the beneficial bacteria through pasteurization.
So... I have no idea why any of this is happening in the first place. I feel like mats original video was completely fine and just mentioned alternative foods to eat instead of milk (which was like 30 seconds of his entire video) everything else was fine. Ann's video is good for talking about milk and it's alternatives. Neither video is wrong, ive been lactose intolerant for a very long time now and am now developing an allergy to it. I've actually been intolerant since I was 8 so both of these videos are really helpful. Growing up my family didn't have enough money to buy alternative milks because they are very expensive where I live. So I got most of my calcium from beans and broccoli. But now that I'm older( and have a stable job) I can start getting alternative milks now, I personally like soy a lot over oat and coconut but that's just me.
@@saram5964 Except it does in both weight and in absorption rate by the body. The only time it isn't is when you compare is by serving, which is quite a dumb measurement to compare by. plenty of things that people go overboard with in serving size.
@@saram5964 But what he said was true, it doesn't matter if you have a food that has a really high amount of calcium but you can't absorb it compared to a food that has a slightly lower amount of calcium you can actually absorb.
@@saram5964 except he did not mislead anyone, and they do infact have mnore calcium than milk gram for gram which is how science and math works as anne admits to.
Theres nothing better than a peaceful day/afternoon with some coffee and bread Add watching Ann’s new video to the list *and your perfect Friday is set!*
THANK YOU for talking about Oxalate! I have a green iguana and a major, major problem for them is how many leafy green vegetables contain oxalic acid (spinach, another commonly recommended milk substitute for calcium) is particularly bad. reptiles that are fed foods high in oxalates develop Metabolic Bone Disease essentially because they become calcium deficient. It's basically rickets and osteoporosis, and it is a permanent condition once they get it. My iguana has severe MBD that he developed due to an inappropriate diet in a previous home. That's right, spinach and other "high calcium" veggies can give them calcium deficiency. It's something that most people are not aware of. As a reptile owner i tend to feed a lot of collard and mustard greens and kale (kale is fine for iguanas but should not be fed to tortoises due to the goiterians (sp?)) also Environmental Impact... one of the big problems facing bees in the US is colony collapse disorder, and a major factor in that is the fact that the majority of commercial beehives in the US are shipped to California every year to pollinate the almond orchards. this does three things, 1 it stresses the bees out making them more susceptible to disease, and 2, mingles bees from different regions in the US together, making it easier to transmit disease, and 3 when the bees return to their home region they then transmit the diseases they picked up to native bee species, feral honey bees, and hobbyist hives, spreading the colony collapse disorder. It is truly astonishing to me that Almond products are considered "vegan" considering the level of harm the almond industry does to bees in the US. Honey is a byproduct of the bee industry, the main product is the pollination of crops.
Another problem in insecticide. You would think that farmers, who rent bees to pollinise their crops, would stop spraying pesticide well enough in advance not to harm he bees, but nope.
Another brilliant video! I recently had to switch to oat milk while breastfeeding temporarily (baby was getting awful diarrhoea and gas so I removed dairy from my diet under advisement from the paediatrician for a few months - not an allergy for baby thankfully, his gut just wasn't matured enough to be able to handle the milk protein which apparently gets into the breastmilk) and I'm glad that I was still getting plenty of calcium from my oat milk and all the rest of it. I've gone back to cows milk now that baby is coping with dairy protein, simply because I found the milk alternatives tasted very sweet, almost like cereal milk - which was fine when I was just putting it in tea but not when I had actual cereal with it! But I'm glad that there were alternatives. Everyone should be able to make their own choices about what they consume.
When my son was a baby, I had to switch him to goat milk formula cause the doctor thought that perhaps his throwing up was because of the cow's milk intolerance. Turned out to be pyloric stenosis which was fixed via surgery and we switched back to cow's milk formula (thank god for that cause the goat milk one smelt real bad)
Not sure where you are, but when I ordered hot drinks with soya milk when visiting the US, it was so sweet - then they showed me the carton and it said unsweetened! Never had that problem in Europe.
@@teapotgamer64 cow’s milk has far more sugar (in the form of lactose) per serving than, for example, unsweetened almond milk, so I suspect that what you were tasting as “sweetness” was simply the different taste of the plant milk compared to cows milk.
I grew up on a dairy farm. Our girls were treated better than the human kids lol. If one was sick, the vet was immediately called. We also never took the babies away. It's heartbreaking to see them go through such trauma. My grandparents also brought older girls from auctions to let them live out their lives instead of going to slaughter. As a kid, my friends were the animals on the farm. We had horses, donkeys, goats, and a few chickens. None were "food". My family just enjoyed watching and interacting with them. They each had their own personalities. I loved sitting on my grandparent's back porch and watching them play and carry on. I'm lucky to have an animal loving family. When I was 17 it was all taken away from us by hurricane Katrina. We did all we could to save as many as possible. All but 2 of our cows died. The flood was so devastating to my family. The water was over 15 feet in some places. The worst part is that the water was contaminated with sewage, dead animals, and chemicals. So even if the animals didn't drown, they became sick or injured by chemicals like gasoline and diesel. Some had broken legs and ribs. It was just horrible all around. We are lucky to have survived but lost everything.
I'm sorry for your loss, but your story proves some of my arguments on the subject, mostly that the farmers need their cows so they take care of them and one cow produces multiple bottles of milk every single day, meanwhile there is no oversight on the health and well-being of the people harvesting the nuts and other alternatives and once a tree/field is harvested you'll have to wait till next year for any additional yeald. I've tried explaining to a Peta supporter that the cows will be in pain if not milked even if their baby is with them, but fanaticism is an incurable disease. So what those idiots that glue themselves in protest are actually saying is that they don't really care about people or the industry, they are just after some cheap publicity. Unfortunately, I'm sensitive to lactose, so I'm forcing myself to drink oatmilk and almond milk and it's so hard to find ones that could even remotely fool me that it's milk I'm drinking. On the other hand, I'm fully prepared to face the wrath of an upset stomach for a good slice of cheese (and I'm talking real cheese, not the processed ones).
She is also juuuust humble enough to still roast those that present absurd statements. "You can replace milk with cabbage, you say? Well I'm glad you love cabbage that much because this means you eat 30 times more cabbage than the average person, just to replace this tiny glass of milk. Look!"
Thank you so much for that incredible comparison. I completely agree with you about the fact that it is such a complex (and polarised) issue, that finding which milk is "best" based on its environmental impact is an impossible task and we can only look at it as personal preference. I think that is the truth for all of the vegan or meat diet debate When I first went vegan 10 years ago, I thought it was a simple decision to immediately lessen my environmental impact, I thought it was easy "don't eat animal products and you can do no harm," but I have been thinking more critically about it for the past few years and done more unbiased research. I came the conclusion there is no perfect or easy option, and instead I just have to pick the option which I think is least harmful and best for me. At the end of the day though, my sister nearly died of anorexia, so I don't believe in making people feel ashamed of the food they eat.
In a lot of ways, as much as we as indivuduals try to lessen their impact on the environemnt, its the big businesses that are really doing the most harm. The way you are doing it is probably the best way to do it, although I am not vegan I know once I get my own place and money I'm going to try to get a lot of my meat and fruits and veggies from the local farms or attempt to grow my preferred fruits. It won't solve everything, but it makes you feel good and that's a good thing. I hope your sister is going better now too.
At the end of the day, I'm still not convinced that food is what makes the greatest environmental impact. My home country is known for its beef. Beef there is cheaper than chicken. We're also a poor nation therefore electricity is iffy on a good day. Despite the fact that there are people there who literally eat beef for every meal, and that we don't even kill all the cows because having a large flock of strong cows is seen as a point of cultural pride, we still produce about 1/4 of the greenhouse gasses PER CAPITA that the UK does. This is including the fact that most people I know drive cars everywhere (cars and gas are cheap-ish) because public transport sucks. The difference? People in the UK use a lot more electricity... I know this as an international student.
@@noelstar1456 it's quite well-established that agriculture is a major source of emissions, particularly in developing countries where sometime more than half of all emissions are due to agriculture. The real issue is that we can't cut back on agriculture the same way we can cut back on flights, or powering Christmas lights, which is why agriculture has a relatively bigger share in countries where consumption is lower. You can have a massive impact on agricultural emissions though, which is why it's worth having this discussion. For cows specifically, some studies show you can reduce emissions by around 2/5 if I remember correctly just by changing the way you cultivate the land the animals are on - and since cows are the single largest source of agricultural emissions, that matters a lot.
Sending all my love towards you and your sister ❤ as someone who's had issues with food/eating since I was like 15, I absolutely support that food choices should never be shamed. Educating people on what their food choices are causing... well, that's okay as long as it isn't uncalled for I believe. But don't judge others for their process. Eg, I eat almost no animal products, except honey (I know the beekeeper and he's always willing to answer any questions) and eggs that I get from a friend who regularly takes in chicken that otherwise would be slaughtered. Yet I've had another vegan call me out for being selfish and an abuser and what not. They made me so upset, I didn't eat for 5 days. Which is most likely not what they intended. What I'm trying to say, I believe most people are trying as best they can, offering a helping hand to improve food choices is awesome but being rude about it won't get anyone in a better place.
@Lofty Radish Never trust an ex vegan. You should be ashamed of yourself, using a loved one's tragic near death experience to justify violence against other sentient beings. Gross.
Thanks soooo much Ann for doing a video on milk, that has helped clear up so many of the myths out there! Have a great weekend and hope your family are well.
So, I watched all three of these videos on milk to see what up and I found that combined they paint a very well rounded picture of milk. It makes sense the How to Cook That compared serving sizes because she focuses a lot on cooking and diet. It makes no sense to replace a cup of milk with enough beans to build a sandcastle, especially in a recipee. But I also loved how Food Theory pointed out how advertisement affects your view on milk. Also, if you've seen the Film Theory episode about transmutation in FMA, it makes sense why they'd use gram to gram comparison. For X amount of calcium how much kale or milk would you need? Brew's video was also a lot of fun! He went into mythologies that imply that milk one of the first things to exist in the universe at all (in some cases THE first even.). All three of them explained the Lactase Persistence mutation (which I never get sick of hearing about /genuine. Like I swear if I come across a video that is only about Lactase Persistence, I will watch the whole thing) I don't think this is evidence of plagiarism from any of these vids. Food Theory and Brew asked a very similar question so it makes sense that they brought up similar evidence. And, storytime! in 2020, before I had ever seen any of these videos, I wanted to make a video about milk and I had planned for the thumbnail to be of a skeleton drinking milk from a glass. Like, I keep hearing milk is good for your bones so I wanted the human bones to be drinking milk. I honestly don't think any thumbnails were lowkey stolen. :) TL;DR: I thoroughly enjoyed ALL four of these videos and appreciate the three takes on it. :)
In the first place, define a serving of broccoli and milk. Not that you actually can, because "serving" is a stupid arbitrary metric that varies wildly by not only country, but by demographic. A serving of anything to a kid is bound to be lower than a serving of anything to an adult, and even amongst adults a serving to a sedentary adult is bound to be lower than a serving of anything to a very physically active adult. Then a serving to a male is also bound to be different to a serving to a female, servings are different between blacks whites asians etc.
@@cat-vv9xb exactly! That’s why Food Theory compares gram to gram. Serving sizes can vary but a gram is a gram is a gram. But, when cooking serve size is important because the sizes vary on who’s eating it! Like you said the size can vary between adult male and a child. So when it comes to diet, you have to keep in mind who’s eating. You can’t give a kid 6 full cabbages. Both channels makes sense, both were right. I enjoyed all four vids. 😌
@@irishhotshot6765 you need to watch the video again. She is showing the amount of milk you world need to consume for 300mg of calcium vs. how much kale you world need to consume for the same amount (300mg) of calcium. She’s comparing equal amounts of calcium, not serving sizes.
@@irishhotshot6765 no worries, but it’s the same with the broccoli. You watched the video, right? You saw the amount of broccoli she had in the plate, right? There’s no way that is one serving of broccoli. She’s comparing equal amounts of calcium and showing you how much you would need of each.
I'm lactose intolerant and the first (and only) time I tried taking lactase to see if it would help, I wound up in the hospital with an anaphylactic reaction. So I don't even drink lactose free milk because I'm afraid of the added lactase. I also hate soy milk, so I'm very glad for coffee shops starting to carry oat milk so I can enjoy a sugary latte without a horrible stomachache
Just a question, since I don't know any people with a (strong) lactose intolerance. I understand that lactose intolerance was that you cannot digest milk sugar (lactose), did you end up with an allergic reaction because you're also allergic to lactose? Or was it something else in the lactase that you took that you reacted to?
@@debayeuxchats5607 the assumption at the hospital was that it was the lactase pills on their own. I took them right before eating pizza and had only taken a single bite before I was violently sick and then broke out in a rash and started having trouble breathing. Eating dairy on its own has unpleasant digestive symptoms for me but nothing life threatening like the lactase.
It's a good point to make that cows can eat things we cannot and that's why we initially used them for food AND it's also important to note that they actually primarily eat soy and corn. We primarily produce those crops exclusively for cow feed. These days, to raise cows means tapping into edible human food resources, and not this eco-friendly idea that they just recycle our scraps.
Not all cows... (Sorry, had to :-)) Good point, but this varies quite a bit around the globe. That is part of why the environmental impacts are so hard to assess.
To give more context: ~80% of all soy and ~70% of world crops go to animal feed (primarily cows) according to Vox. It's the primary driver of Amazon deforestation.
There's also the part that commercial crops companies are throwing away perfectly good food away only because it doesn't look perfect. That waste doesn't go into animals as it should.
Agreed, one thing about the animal vs plant based milk argument is the cows have to eat plants to make the milk, and plants just need to be plants XD Some places that actually feed waste products from our food and products to cows would be better then growing new plants just to make milk, but the USA is not that place. Plants also don't make methane, which cows do, and methane is a very potent greenhouse gas.
Interesting fact, de values of the amount of calcium in for example kale and broccoli (arugula had more btw) differ quite a bit on different researches is due to the differences found in the vegetables itself. A broccoli produced on a calcium rich ground will have more calcium per 100 gram in it as a broccoli produced on a piece of ground with a low amount of calcium in the ground. The same goes, yet in lesser extent, for the diet and the race of the cow.
Also the amount of calcium needed per day varies per research. For a male between the 25 and 69 years the Dutch Food advise organization says they need 950 mg per day. Yet if you look in a lot of other countries this varies between the 700 and 1200 mg per day. I even came across an advise for 2500 mg per day. People, never do that. Consuming 2500 mg calcium or more per day will give you a significant higher risk of health issues like kidney stones and calcification of your blood vessels.
But then you have to think about the fact that it’s usually being boiled, so some of the nutrients might escape into the water, which is washed down the drain.
Your video + Food Theory's response are going in my lessons to show how scientists can debate and improve information. The way its supposed to be done :)
@@tyler5271 It would probably be best for her if she didn't. MatPat's "defense" video is full of holes and doesn't contradict anything she said in her video. But he has a large audience and is good at manipulating them. So it's probably best for her if she just lets it die.
@@blanktom6049 yeah I noticed that as well he didn't address a lot of her other points he even cropped out some of her sentences as she was explaining something so she didn't even get to finish her point and then he acted like he did something even though he didn't let her finish and another major point is his whole by servings argument is really weird like why would you measure things in the way he's measuring it if we're talking about actual functional information and consumption that people can use the day-to-day basis obviously by servings is the way to go because they're going to use that information thinking they're getting enough calcium from a normal salad then they would from milk when clearly that's not the case but he's trying to make it sound like it is it's almost as he just can't admit that he kind of used a faulty method to measure calcium when talking about normal people and how they would use that information but can't admit to it mainly cuz he's never been the type to take criticism well
@@blanktom6049 Because it wasn't meant to contradict her at all? He says multiple times in the video that he is not discrediting or contradicting her, and even says on multiple occasions that she is correct in what she says. Just because he didn't whine about it or start a flame war doesn't mean he failed in his response. As for your claim that his video is "full of holes," I think you should put your money where your mouth is and explain exactly how it is full of holes with links to credible sources that you actually researched. But knowing the internet, you won't and basically just prove that you're just an idiot, which would be equally as hilarious to see as you finding out the truth and trying to spin a lie anyway. Then there is your claim that he manipulates his audience, which I would also like to know exactly how he manipulates his audience considering he has never once done that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a chance to explain exactly how he manipulates people, again, with links to where you researched the information. In the end, all you have to do is definitely prove what you clearly "know" to be the truth, so it really shouldn't be that hard, right?
Full fat milk is only 2-2.5g saturated fat / 100ml (semi is about 1g / 100ml). As long as you aren't drinking a litre or more a day, the small amount you have in a coffee or tea is hardly worth worrying over. Plus removing the fat also reduces some of the vitamins as well (as they are bonded to the fat). NileRed has a video on what is in milk and in it he explains which are removed (and may have to be added back in).
If your daily intake of saturated fat is only from 100ml of full fat milk, then it should be fine. Recommended intake for saturated fat is 10g a day in Australia pretty sure. It's just that if you drink full cream milk and spread butter on your toast and have some kind of meat in a day, the chances are, you're exceeding the recommended intake. Also I don't think Ann is recommending to remove fat from diet, just saturated fat. Unsaturated fat (olive oil, fish oil etc.) is considered a good source of fat.
Lactose intolerant here:, Hempseed milk was the best tasting milk alternative I've found so far. Same sweetness level as milk without any weird tastes so it worked well in cereal and drinks. It's super hard to find and I think the sole manufacturer went out of business in my country. Oat milk is the runner up but not nearly as good. Soy and almond are usually quite bad or have more sugar than a bottle of coke!
@@scarlett285 that's the same thing, they just call it lactose free for the masses. They don't actually "remove" the lactose. They just put the nezyme in
I am a huge fan of Food Theory. I actually learned of your channel as a result of a reaction to this video :). He took your debunk like a champ and fixed things unlike so many others I have seen you react to since then. Great job :)
I think she showed her bias. The EPA in the USA has published numbers on carbon emissions of agriculture. Cattle alone contribute to 1/4 of emissions just from methane alone not accounting for any other emission. Like she just brought up water... I don't think water use is the defining characteristic for pollution. I still drink milk but it's really no contest as to what is ecologically worse. Animal milk by a landslide is worse for the environment. Everything you read will be biased, especially a UA-camr giving their thoughts on the matter. However you can see just by her data selection it's clear she was trying to craft a specific message.
@@canifold She only talked about water usage as an example since to calculate what's better for the environment you would have to take in a ton of different factors. Gas emission is also one of those factors.
@@canifold She used it as a point of comparisson to show that this information can be affected by the different points we compare them to. For example, I can compare cow's milk and almond milk and say "THIS ALMOND MILK PRODUCED 5 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF EMISSIONS THAT THE COW MILK DID! DO NOT CONSUME ALMOND MILK!". What I don't tell you is that I got my cow milk from a local farmer, who milks the cow himself, transports it by truck and is put in a glass container, and I got my almond milk from Europe, from a big factory that needs a lot of energy and resources to produce it, then they have to transport it by boat and then by truck, on a plastic container. Am I lying then in my statement? No. But is it fair to do that comparisson? You decide.
@@canifold No, the one showing their bias here is you. Specifically with the erroneous statement that cattle farts = 1/4 of US greenhouse gases. That's the blurb pushed by an ignorant, or idiotic, pundit with their own agenda who lacks reading comprehension skills when they skimmed over the actual study. Agriculture accounts for 10% of ALL US greenhouse gases (My source, directly from epa.gov, 2019 study results). The study, a dated one I'm sure, you're referring to states that cattle produce 1/4 of all METHANE emissions (a subsection of green house gas emissions). Methane itself only accounts for 10% of US greenhouse gas emissions (same source). 1/4 of 1/10 of greenhouse gases is 1/40th overall. That's 2.5%.
Oh, my gosh! When you brought the huge plate of kale out my jaw just dropped! I mean, I figured it was going to be harder to get the calcium in the vegs, but it was a great humorous moment! Edit to say: thanks for all the research and knowledge your bring to your unbiased table! We love you Ann!
@@bitny4916 I guess you mean hard water? I never heard about tap water being fortified with calcium. People living in places with soft water (i.e. water with low mineral content) need calcium-rich food (plant-base or not) or supplement though.
When I read your comment it was 3am NY time&i laughed out loud beans cabbages&that horrid kale the other four will not be happy(unless I bet she donates to a food bank or when my fav science baker tries out new-there's a line to share 😊
There is no beef between these creators and they were both trying to inform their respective audiences. Ultimately you can see that they are both hardworking content creators when you look at their videos, and everyone makes mistakes. I'm choosing to stay subbed to both of them, they both make quality content
It’s not the fact of them having beef. You can create content without bashing someone else’s video. This is someone’s whole career and something like what this women did, with off hand comments even before she started her topic is not cool. There are plenty of videos they talk about milk without bashing someone else.
The amount of work and effort Anne puts into her videos is out of this world. Lets all show her some love and support and share these videos to friends and family
She's awesome mann, she never misses one shot, every video she does she puts so much work and effort it's actually impossible to say it's anything but excellent. Even if she makes a big mistake one day, honestly, I wouldn't mind... She has hit so many shots that she deserves to miss hahah ANNE U NEED TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH SO I CAN RECOMMEND U TO MY GRANDCHILDREN 😂❤❤
Hi Ann! This is a very helpful video especially for people with lactose intolerance like me. As well as educating people about the industry and nutrition about milk. I’ve been doing research myself to deal with what I have but it’s just overwhelming to read so much info with lots of jargon but the way you explain things is very digestible. Thank you so much! 😊😊😊
And other animals have different amounts of lactose and different caseins, so you can try goat or sheep. Or fermented products, not just cheese, but whey, kefir, ... My sis has good results with goat milk.
@@anezkajandova76 Thanks for that helpful tip, I’d have to check if sheep or goats milk is available in my country though. And hopefully it’s not too expensive either.
Another thing that never seems to get brought up, though it's more about meat than milk, is not every land in every country is arable. The whole point that animals can eat things people can't really is lost on people. I'm not a scientist, but it strikes me as hilariously naive people seem to assume every plant or crop easily grows everywhere on the planet sometimes when you know they must know better. Tropical jungles don't grow in Japan, people know that, but they seem to forget it when debating what people should be eating.
I always think this too! People complain about cattle taking up land, but beef cattle around here are grazed on rough hilly pasture that could never hold a crop. It takes food (grass) that humans can’t eat and converts it to something that we can. Dairy cattle also eat almond husks and other byproducts of the vegetable industry and then convert that into valuable fertilizer to replenish soil nutrition. But cows = bad gets more views…
Yes! This is one of the most offputting thing for me when it comes to plant based content creators. They are so confident in being environmentally friendly while almost all of their plants and fruits are imported in
While I agree that removing cows/other livestock doesn't mean we can just slap down a crop and call it a day, that land is also valuable to local animal and plant species. The more land we use for our own purposes, the less there is for those creatures and plants that maintain our local ecosystems.
Well, I actually AM an agricultural/animal scientist :) And I agree with you, many people don't have a good understanding of how agriculture as a whole works. I've had plenty of rather shocking discussions with friends who had the wildest imaginations about how the dairy industry or organic agriculture, for example, work. One thing I would like to add: Yes, it is true that there are many regions on earth that can only grow grassland, no crops. Reasons can be soil conditions, climate, topography. The only way to make these regions productive is grazing animals on them. And that's what people have been doing for centuries. Think about Mongolia, for example. However, when we're talking about the dairy industry, we're not talking about places like Mongolia - we're talking about places like Europe, North America, Australia, for example. In those places the dairy farms mostly keep specialized dairy cattle (mostly Holstein Friesian or Jersey) which have been bred to have very high milk yields (up to 30 to 50 kg milk per day). Those milk yields are aboslutely not possible on pure grass diets. Grass-based feed makes up roughly a third of a dairy cow's ration. They are usually also fed with corn silage, and concentrate feedstuffs such as grain-based products or by-products such as soy meal. Those are obviously all grown on farmland that could also be used to grow human food. In the case of by-products, the land is used for both human and animal food, for example sugar beet: humans get the sugar, animals get the sugar beet pulp and molasses. So, it is a valid point to say that farm land is used to feed dairy cows. I just don't believe that most people understand the context or the extent of it correctly. Generally speaking, agriculture is a lot more complicated than it's made out to be by some people making claims on the internet. There's a reason why agricultural sciences exist, after all. I get rather annoyed when people who are not skilled in this field think they now need to "educate" people about agriculture, animal husbandry, or nutrition. Another reason to love this channel - Ann actually knows what she's talking about, since she's a dietician and food scientist herself.
@@asteroid152jes Environmental protection and (extensive) agricultural land use do not have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, some ecosystems heavily depend on specific forms of agricultural use, for example heathlands, which need to be grazed by sheep (Heidschnucke) in order to not get overgrown by trees. I know it might sound counterintuitive, but farm animals, especially sheep and goats, but sometimes also cattle and horses, are often crucial elements of effective conservation of nature. That being said, there are of course other ecosystems that are better left alone, like for example the tropical rainforests.
You should also take into consideration whether a product is local or not. If you live in Poland it's probably more ecologically conscious to buy cow's milk from your local dairy than to buy almond milk that had to be imported from USA.
I read a study about this the other day and actually the environmental cost of raising animals for food is superior to the cost of transporting greens accross the world. Animals eat tons of food (which is why the rainforest is being erased from the surface of the earth), drinks lots of water, pollute the air and we still have to transport them (wether living animals are being taken to the slaughterhouse, or dead animals are taken to wherever they'll be sold as meat), and that does not count the electricity needed to raise them, or the cost of all the animal products being transported accross the globe. All in all, it is less polluting to be a vegan who eats avocados from another continent than to eat animals that were raised nearby.
I heard that in international shipping, trucking causes much more pollution than freighter ships. MIT says annually, trucks generate 1.8B tons of emissions while cargo ships generate 800M. That is 2.25 times! And in terms of distance, trucks generate 100 times more emission than ships for the same distance traveled. So although it is good conscious to buy local products, in reality it might not make that much of a difference. That being said, people who believes in every little bit counts shouldn't be deterred.
@@katesay1559 Bringing up avocados is really contraproductive here, since growing them comes with tons of problems. They are grown in monoculture in many places, since the demand for them is so big. What leads to degrading the soil, what makes the plants more susceptible for diseases and pests, what makes the farmers use more pesticides, what degrades the soil even faster so they'll deforest nearby lands etc. It's true that going vegan/vegetarian is ultimately the better choice, but if you still really want to make a difference, buy local. Imported high demand vegetables/fruit are still bad for the environment, just not that much.
@@katesay1559 It depends on where on earth you have your dairy farm. Alot of farms plant and harvest their own crops and whatever ain't used to feed humans the cows eat and no rainforest is touched. And no animals that dies on the farm is used as human food unless the farmer acctually slaughter the animal to prepare it as food. And not to forget, dairy cows are used as much more than meat when their life ends such as soap, rubber and heparin.
@@katesay1559 Except cows animals don't eat forest, they eat grass. They also eat many of the by-products from the agricultural industry. Very few (if any) places are growing crops specifically to feed to dairy cows - for one thing that would make the milk extremely expensive. Might be a different story for meat cows, not sure, but definitely not for dairy. So we're not cutting down forest for dairy production - but guess what we are clear-cutting for? Crops. As for water, it takes water to grow crops too. And there's so much lost to evaporation from fields. It's not like we'll save water by erasing cows and growing crops in their place. Transportation is also required in both animal agriculture and plant agriculture, so no major difference there. Conclusion: There isn't conclusive evidence that dairy-free or entirely vegan are better for the environment than an omnivorous and/or dairy-inclusive one. You know, kind of what Ann said in this video. You did watch it, didn't you?
Thanks so much for delving into this topic! As an environmentalist, I feel like such a buzzkill when talking about the plant vs. animal milk environmental impacts because it IS so complicated and there are so many factors that it's very difficult to quantify. The biggest thing we can do is push for more sustainable practices on both sides of the field--asking for better policies regarding recycling and waste, and even cooperating with other industries to minimize waste as much as possible. One industry's waste CAN be another industry's treasure.
@@frostincubus4045 In the video Ann mentions how the husks of many of the plants used to produce plant milk are used afterward as feed for animals. Another example would be organic produce using manure from the meat and dairy industry.
Less food waste in general would go at least some way to making agriculture more environmentally friendly. Even that is a complex issue, though, with the way the grocery industry works.
@@AnxiousGary This part really surprised me, because I never saw anyone mentioning that the husks of the plants are tecnically wasted material. Everytime I see this debate is always pointing for the worst parts of the dairy made by cow and never explaining that the plant base milk also have a different set of problems too. It's always bias.
Honestly Ann I usually appreciate the care, thought and research you put into your videos which is why I followed you to begin with but I do not appreciate the irresponsible and inconsiderate jabs at Food Theory. This whole discussion has nothing to do with nor should have ever focused on something as silly as a thumbnail and non existent plagiarism and your misinformed view of the information that was given in the video. You both are TECHNICALLY that's the key word; correct. You decided to act unjustly whereas Mat had reviewed this video and has remained civil and unaccusatory towards you. So, I hope you will review the review and apologize for being underhanded to Mat and crew. You can have your own opinions but that does not mean you have the right to slander someone in the process. You're an adult, behave as such.
Could you timestamp the jabs? I'm watching her video 2nd time in the row and the only part I noticed that could be considered underhanded is the timestamp thing - which I wouldn't say she focused on.
@@EmbarrassedFrog6727 matpat provided evidence math and did it all in a respectful way while this women just took underhanded jabs and manipulated the video to her advantage
@@starwatch76prime98 the hell you talking about? My comment got nothing to do about this, I just said that oc just suddenly decided to comment after matpat video even tho oc said that they been watching Ann for long time, if they been watching for a long time they should have known this by now, and should have commented before matpat video to comment this, that's why I said is as if your doing this for attention because you know lot's of people will do the same.
This was super helpful! I’ve seen so much discourse about plant milk vs dairy milk that it can be a bit overwhelming. This was a great breakdown, thank you for making this!!
Anne, you're amazing. People make a lot of claims without much evidence. It is refreshing to see someone actually do the hard work of figuring out the details like you do.
*Current evidence disproves almost everything she shared in this vid! Pay attention to news OUTSIDE of YT personalities & educate yourself. Skim/reduced fat milk spikes your insulin levels... type 2 diabetes? here you go... another victim of a 50 year old smear campaign! FAT ISNT MAKING YOU FAT! IT ISNT CAUSING INFLAMMATION. IT DOESNT SPIKE YOUR INSULIN LEVELS OR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS & set you up for pre-diabetes/type 2! IT'S 2022... EDUCATE YOURSELVES! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!*
Thank you so much discussing this in a clear and unbiased way and thank you for talking about the difference between allergies and intolerance's. I was allergic to milk protein as a baby and thus lived on soy milk as a kid, then I grew out of the allergy at age 9. Trying things like cheese and ice cream was a revelation! I have an anaphylactic allergy to all nuts and nut products which was a problem when at 19 I became lactose intolerant because the popularity and prevalence of nut-milks has been on the rise the last decade plus and now they're everywhere. I've literally never had a fancy coffee drink because Starbucks, Tim Horton's etc aren't clean or careful with their equipment and everything is contaminated.
Many lactose-intolerant people here recommend taking lactase tablet/pill. Otherwise you could try finding the amount of milk that could still be comfortably consumed; lactose intolerance isn't an all-or-nothing condition therefore some people could still consume a bit of milk products without upsetting their stomach. *Edit:* lactase could cause allergic reaction so if you have the history of milk allergy, you might want to consult your doctor before taking lactase tabs.
@@OrdinaryEXP I drink lactose free milk and use lactase tablets as needed for foods with dairy in them. The main point I was making in my comment is that a peanut/tree nut allergy is the most common food allergy in the world but so many businesses replace dairy with a nut milk. It's a huge problem for a lot of people and Ann is first time I've heard anyone mention it.
I’m sorry that these widespread coffee places are not careful with their equipment. Allergies/Intolerances are terrible to work with, and it would be nice if companies would make things easier.
@@OrdinaryEXP Some of those dairy products people can still eat even if they're lactose intolerant are because there's very little lactose in them; the lactose feeds the cultures that cause the fermentation process in things like yogurts, hard aged cheeses, & -to some degree- kefir making them naturally more similar to the lactose-free products, though obviously there's going to be variance in just how much lactose is left over from batch to batch with things things because nature isn't precisely repeatable It's also worth noting that - if you take it slow - eating yogurt with live cultures can reduce the severity of your lactose intolerance as it helps (re)populate your gut bacteria with those good good lactobacillus (which is why you might hear about someone being told to eat probiotic yogurt after a round of strong antibiotics so they won't *become* lactose intolerant, since antibiotics can't discriminate helpful bacteria from harmful)
I have a very similar problem with smoothies due to fruit & veg allergies I cannot go out to a smoothie store and get a smoothie with my friends. So what I have found is when I make it at home I can pick and choose my fruits & veg that I am not allergic to. So maybe you could try things like coconut milk which is actually not a nut or you could possibly even try goats milk. I have a friend whom is lactose anaphylactic BUT she can drink milk from goats. So you may want to get allergy tested for alternative types of “milk” / “nut” products. Also I make my own lattes at home because I prefer a certain type of milk product in my drink as well, that they do not carry at Starbucks( it’s also a lot less expensive).
I just imagine the channel creator waking up the next day after a nice relaxing weekend and suddenly finding a bunch of notifications for comments on this specific video after the food theory response video. XD
And the adults that don’t appreciate someone accusing another creator of misinformation by using one sentence from a 15 minute video, then changing what was said to suit her narrative
In India most people get milk straight from the dairy farms in milk cans and other steel containers , and also India has lots of small milk farms in almost every little corner of the country so it is more convenient for the environment , consumers and sellers because they don't need all the water , electricity , machinery and stuffs .💙
I've always wondered about the dairy industry in India because in Hindu cows are very special. Thanks for bit of information. Here in Kentucky I use to cry to my grandpa cause he had a small dairy farm and the milking machinery looked like it hurt the cows. He treated his small group well but at 7, it was loud and scary looking.
@@Shad0wBl0wer ? water cows drink is a tiny portion of the water that is used by many dairies. but water consumption massively varies according to set up of the dairy as well. from what i understand many Indian cows are kept free range even in cities so there would be less need for the dairy farmer to hose everything down constantly. The cattle also forage and can eat vegetable scraps from household garbage and markets and even newspaper and cardboard that was discarded (and yes, cattle, or rather their gut bacteria, can get nutrition from paper and cardboard) reducing the amount of animal feed necessary. It's a very efficient system, the only real problem is the risk of traffic accidents to the cows and the fact they will leave manure everywhere.
My 5 month old mixed fed daughter has been diagnosed with cow's milk protein allergy (with anaphylaxis symptoms) and so I've had to cut dairy and soy from my diet to keep breastfeeding her, and my goodness dairy is in so much. I hope people who want to cut dairy for animal welfare/environmental reasons (without going vegan) know just how much food they'll have to cut out of their diet. Thank you so much for making this video, and showing all of the pros and cons, especially in relation to sourcing calcium from vegetables!!!
@@hotsoup1339 think of it as an opportunity to fill your diet with lots of new things instead! There's so many great fruit and veg out there. Best of luck :)
@@kieren899 Honestly thats the other half of the problem: I'm autistic, with sensory processing issues. I've always had problems with eating fruit and vegetables because of the way they feel on my mouth. Its a lot of experimenting to find a way I could eat common foods in a different way.
I have had to cut out cow dairy (with the exception of butter) because of hormone imbalances and digestion distress. I used to indulge in almond milk, then I became intolerant to nuts. Goat's milk seems to work best right now, as I have no effects.
I’m dairy intolerant (lactose isn’t the only thing that can affect you, some people have an intolerance to all parts of dairy) so I don’t have a choice even if I wanted to drink regular milk, but it’s cool to know the pros and cons from someone who is actually being realistic compared to just saying, “oh this food has more calcium than milk!” Or “just stop having milk or cream in your coffee!” You actually show us proper comparisons and don’t just trust the first line that google says.
Same, I was intolerant to the proteins in milk as a baby to the point that I would quite literally die if I drank it. My parents found out because I kept having blood in my diapers. Eventually my body became more able to process it. When I was younger I couldn’t drink 2 cups without severe stomach issues, and even 2 was pushing it. Now I don’t actually know what the limit is, but I think it’s more than two now. I was born premature but I also have cerebral palsy (abnormal brain development and / or brain damage before/during birth) and I have no idea which if any of those caused it. I’m also tannin intolerant (I realised it was tannin specifically because I was dying paper with earl grey tea and I broke out in hives - a reaction I’ve only had previously with strawberries. Lo and behold, tannin, which also explained why bananas make me itchy as they have a bit of tannin). I don’t know how I managed to get on this tangent, but TL;DR, I am also intolerant of “other milk ingredients,” specifically the proteins
Me too. I'm also intolerant to eggs, so I always just say I'm vegan because most people know then what I have to avoid. I wasn't born early and have no developmental disorders (to my knowledge), so I don't think that that is a factor. We were just unlucky I think. Do you guys get jealous of people too that can just eat whatever they want without any consequences (besides getting fat)?
I was told as a child that I'm lactose intolerant but lactose free products and products low in lactose still cause same problems so I guess I could actually just be dairy intolerant. I get stomach aches, bloating, nausea and overproduction of mucus. But then again the doctor said I might have IBS but I'm 22 so I have no idea 😂😂😂
Matpat did a video responding to this one, and he showed all of his research and where he got these conclusions. He also pointed out that the amount of kale shown can be condensed down into a glass the size of the glass of milk. The kale show has the largest part of it showing, the leaf. The other side of that plate would most likely look a lot less impressive comparatively. Plus the majority of the volume that you see is gaps, aka air. What gives kale the volume you see is the leaf, it holds its shape well when raw. If you where to reduce it in a broth, the amount becomes a lot less impressive.
Hi Ann. I am a big fan of your channel. When I saw this video I went and left a comment on MattPatts original video, since I am also a fan of his content, asking to elaborate/correct. His response has just come out, which seems to do a good job at clarifying a few things and if I might add he is very respectful to you in it. Would you be able to comment on the validity of his new arguments against milk?
Hi Nick, Broccoli does not have as much calcium as milk whether you look at cooked / raw/ gram for gram / per serve / bioavailability. All of these calculations have milk coming out on top. To get it the other way around in the response video he starts with broccoli having 180mg of calcium/100g which is 4x what the usda data base says for broccoli. He seems to use a misdirection by discussing varying food manufacturers serving sizes on food labels - which while important in other comparisons is not relevant here. When you simply look at how much of this food do I need to eat to get the calcium - the "serve size" is the amount on the plate - nothing to do with food labels. Will you realistically eat that much kale in a day? Or that many beans? If so - great it is a viable source of calcium for you. If not choose a milk or milk alternative. It really isn't that complicated.
@@HowToCookThat That's not quite fair - he showed his source, UCSF, and if you go on their website, that's the exact number he used. Calling any of this misdirection is grossly mischaracterizing how he went about discussing this. I thought he was fair to you, and I don't think you're showing the same consideration in these comments.
This is brilliant. I will recommend it to my patients to watch. I don’t know what it’s like in Australia but in the UK we are having a resurgence of rickets in children (kids don’t play outside much anymore and the diets aren’t brilliant) and I think lack of parent education and support is really contributing to this. It’s very hard to educate and entertain at the same time.
cant see anything on rickets in Australia increasing but you dont have to be outside as long in Australia to get enough vitamin D compared to the uk, especially in summer or all year round if your up north. in summer we usually have uv indexes in the extreme ranges for more southern areas and all year round for northern areas i have seen talk on an increase in vitamin D deficiencies in adults and some speculation that some of the big campaign on skin cancer prevention might be contributing to this as well as more people working in offices
I have been told by my health professionals not to put sunscreen on before going into the sun but 20 mins after because I am chronically vit D deficient
@@felicitygee381 That's weird. For those with such severe problems, they just get prescribed supplements in my experience, since that tiny bit of sun is not going to do anything beyond increasing skin cancer risk for people that have such a major vitamin D issue
Interesting to know about the rickets resurgence. I’ve got a 6 month old so I want to get him set up right with a balanced diet from the point of weaning but both me and him take vitamin d supplements
@@raerohan4241 there are sweet spots of getting your vitamin D before you start getting sun damage it depends on how much melanin you have and how strong the uvs are
Thank you for this! as a lactose intolerant person, at first i kind of took that as, "dairy is bad" and there are so many resources which confirmed that bias. I have loosened that mentality before i watched this but your educational videos have been so helpful!
One of the things that I find very funny about lactose intolerance is that in Finland, there's a HUGE amount of lactose-free products. Finland is also one of the countries with the highest lactose tolerance. But they drink/consume so much dairy that adults with slightly less lactose tolerance than they used to have end up having tummy aches, and think they're lactose intolerant. So rather than consume less dairy, they just...make everything lactose free. I'm Australian and I do feel a bit like I'm about to die if I drink like, a whole milkshake, but milk in my tea is fine. So I know that while I have less lactose tolerance than I did as a little kid, I'm hardly lactose intolerant.
I'm definitely glad that you present us with in depth and easy to understand information. I personally love MatPat and his theorist brand, but it's not always apparent that it's more entertainment than anything else.
yeah, the food theories I enjoy are the ridiculous ones that are just fun to watch, not the ones that suggest alternatives/diet stuff. Like the christmas tree ones, or the burger stacking one, just ones that mean nothing but are fun.
@@nikkiewhite476 I'm gonna call it, they're gonna say this video is misinformed and come up with some of the stuff Ann debunked in the intro and say it's true.
It's refreshing to watch a video that present both products equally, presents the issues and concerns objectively, without taking sides or trying to convince you to chose one over the other.
I think an important thing to mention for fat vs skim milk is also the level of satiety it gives. Full fat milk will fill you up for longer in comparison to skim due to the higher fat, and studies have found that drinking full fat milk is not correlated to fat gain, in part due to the satiety factor! Fantastic video otherwise, and as a current food science student I've been finding issue with a couple of Food theory's videos as he'll compare nutrients but won't say based on what (calories vs gram) and he doesn't mention how it's a lot easier to eat a larger amount of calories from meat or milk in comparison to vegetable thus making it easier to get in those nutrients while not needing to eat as much volume wise .
Yeah that was the little sticking point for me. Fat has been demonized to heck and back and blamed for heart disease and increasing obesity rates, but we're just now realizing that the issue might've actually been with other highly processed food and too much sugar.
@@jessip8654 might've been ? It still is, it always has been. But why does it matter ? We can eat what we want and so can everyone else. They won't ever ban full fat products.
the protein comparison when it comes to meat/eggs vs various vegs is also always in calories rather than grams which makes some vegs look like they contain immense amounts of protein but when you actually look into it, you find out that, just like with the calcium in milk vs beans or greens, you'd need to eat insane portions of whatever is being shown as the non animal product option. and that's with the raw thing, so not even accounting for the nutrition loss from cooking which is often greater in plants than in animal stuff.
I actually read a few articles that said recent studies have shown a link between whole milk and increased weight *loss*, a trend that was not replicated with lower fat milks.
@@candyman9635 the problem is the narratives that are pushed. If you tell everyone fat is bad and will kill them people stop eating it, and eat low fat high sugar alternatives instead, which causes issues itself. Also it isn't as simple as "eating what you want," food propaganda is a thing. For example Coca cola finds ways to entrench itself in your childhood so it can connect itself to your happy, nostalgic memories, (think drinking it at the movie theater or at baseball games) and make you a forever customer as you connect happiness and cola subconsciously.
Excellent commentary, Ann. Thank you. In British Columbia, we now have to recycle all of our milk containers both plastic and the paper waxed cartons. We have extensive recycling programs in my province. Also in Canada there's no antibiotics and no growth hormone in our cow's milk and dairy products. I'm very grateful for that. I've been drinking cow's milk for over 50 years. For me, it's a necessity. I have two digestive diseases, Malabsorption Syndrome and EPI. I'm deficient in most nutrients, particularly Phosphorus, even though I eat four servings of dairy a day and take supplements both prescription and over the counter. Plants are much more difficult for me to digest and absorb the nutrients from them because of my diseases and because the amount that you have to consume as you pointed out in your video. Bioavailability is a key factor not just for me but for everybody. Thanks again. 💜✌️
@@mugglesarecooltoo I have to take prescription strength digestive enzymes before every meal and snack. They are pigs' pancreases made into capsules. And to answer your question, I don't juice because I feel there's too much nutrients lost, when you don't eat the outside of the vegetables and fruit as well as lack of fiber. I just eat what I can and hope for the best. I also take a lot of Imodium everyday to help with the malabsorption. It helps slow down my digestive tract. Thanks for asking.
As a guy with multiple dietary restrictions, I honestly watched the Food Theorist Milk videos yours and his response. I honesty drink Kale shakes that have a greater calcium content than a glass of milk. I found the fact that you did implicate that he misinformed a little disheartening and dishonest. He did a wonderful job finding away to compare both equally, and the fact he did go through to comment and react personally to your statements and clarify what his video meant. He did state that when you take his factually correct evidence out of context, it would seem in fact incorrect. But my two cents set aside I do appreciate you both talking about the alternatives.
That's actually really interesting about the packaging! I'll have to look into that more, I honestly assumed that the boxes were worse because they don't seem like they can be easily recycled. But then of course, rarely is plastic recycled anyway so... I used to be lucky enough to have my milk delivered every 2 weeks and it came in glass containers that were reused every time. Unfortunately, I don't have access to that anymore.
They can be recycled in some areas actually! Where I live they can be but we also have really good recycling facilities so they probably aren't in your area.
I'm able to recycle Tetrapaks in my area too! If your area doesn't offer tetrapak recycling, contact your municipal waste services and request they start tetrapak recycling.
@@Telcomvic Not sure about TN, but in CA we usually have quart and half-gallon cardboard containers in the dairy section for most of the milk and milk-like products that are either on higher racks above the plastic gallon-size jugs or on separate racks near the coffee creamers. The smaller individual serving portions are usually nearby as well. The containers presented in the video are different though. Those aren't in the refrigerated section, as they are shelf-safe products (refrigerate after opening) and are typically only available in quart size packages. Different stores keep them on different aisles. I've seen them in the baking aisle near the condensed milk, on the coffee/tea aisle near the powdered creamers, on the cereal aisle usually at the end of the row, and on the juice aisle again at the end of the row. The juice aisle will also often have shelf-safe multipacks of the individual containers, though usually only the chocolate milk is sold in the multipack unless you are at a big box store like Costco.
Well researched (as always from Ann)! Personally, I've switched to oat milk, shall we say, out of a sense of respect to the noses around me. (But, since most cheeses have had at least some of their lactose fermented, I can enjoy them with fewer repercussions.)
I use soy (fortified) because others have very little protein. You would think milk made from protein rich nuts would have protein but nah. But my diet is pretty bad either way.
Depending on what I use it for, I'll either use lactose-free cow's milk or almond milk. Switching my protein powder from whey to egg white has also been helpful.
One of the only creators I've ever watched where I don't feel obligated to fact check what you tell your following. Don't accept any shady sponsorships and break that trust; that's what I think a lot if people love about your channel. Hard to be honest in a space where deception is so profitable.
Thank you so much, Ann! I'm so glad somebody's here to dispel these misconceptions. I'm a med student (and a die-hard milk enjoyer) and there's not a single thing missing from this video! I always knew you vere a very intelligent person and a great food-scientist, but the fact you mentioned oxalate and the complex they form with calcium is impressive and gives the whole picture. Beans also have a molecule called "phyoagglutinine" that makes them poisonous to eat rawy (They force non-stem cells to divide, which can 'cause cancers) and though this molecule theoretically breaks down with cooking, but a dietetician would NEVER recommend eating more than a pound of beans a day. So not only is eating all that difficult, it can be dangerous aswell. Anyways, thank you for this video, I love your videos!
I was curious by the topic of Pasteurizing and the way our bodies absorb things in the normal milk wasn’t discussed in a little more detail. Maybe just wasn’t really relevant to the video but I find that topic is a very important one as well
Great video! I really like plant milk, especially oat milk, but here where I live it’s really expensive. It costs twice as much as regular milk, and other types of plant milk like almond milk are even more expensive. I feel bad for calves being separated from their mothers, but I’m currently not in the right position financially to do anything against it.
Yes have you noticed that eating healthier is more expensive I don't care what people say but Organics is more expensive than regular programming. Anything on the alternative Fringe is always more expensive
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever Unforunetly, I don't think buying one bottle of milk or not makes that much of a difference to the industry. You can choose not to give money to them, but you aren't changing anything.
Your channel is so great, it really feels like this is one of the only places I can go to get unbiased and comprehensive info about food health, including even what is happening at the molecular level. Food and health is such a touchy topic, and it feels like it's hard to get nuanced and unbiased information. Thank you for covering these topics.
I love how you go into detail with whatever you're discussing. I've been on a lot of Prednisone off and on for years. It can turn your bones into Swiss cheese because it decreases the absorption of calcium. I was on 80 mg of Prednisone one time. And, it took quite a while to wean off. And, that much for that long can cause a lot of bone problems. So, in a week, I drank 3 gallons of 1% milk, ate 1 pound of cheese, ate yogurt and cottage cheese. Anything with a good source of calcium. I did this the whole time I was on the med. My GI wanted me to do a bone density test. She was concerned about what the steroids were doing to my bones. My results: my bones were perfectly fine. Not a scratch. I love regular moo juice. I won't stop drinking it.🥛🥛 And, I won't be shamed for doing so. Soy milk is nasty. And, too much soy is not healthy. And, the other milks like almond milk, have too many ingredients.
When I was 10 my doctor found out that my body can't process unfermented milk products well. This was in 2005 and at least where I live there weren't many alternatives just like three brands of soy milk, that I didn't like. I ended up not eating any milk products aside from joghurt and goat/sheep cheese for a couple of months, before I could slowly introduce them back to my body. Now I have a certain limit I can eat a day, otherwise my tonsils and lymph nodes swell up. In general I try to reduce my intake of animal products for environmental reasons. I also avoid buying a surplus of food and rarely end up with anything that has to be thrown away.
I really appreciate a thoroughly researched non-bias breakdown of something that you wouldn't think gets bogged down by a lot of misinformation. This is the standard I expect from all content creators!
Oddly enough, I just happen to be watching this after having just watched a video by Nate the Hoof Guy. He's so good with his dairy cow clients and takes great care of their hooves, while explaining everything so well. I would be interested in knowing how raising goats for milk compares to cows. Thanks for being so educational yet, so easy to comprehend. Well done.
Goats are bouncier and IIRC can eat a lot more different types of plant debris than cows and thrive on it. Even different cow breeds radically vary in how much milk they produce though. The creatures we later domesticated into cows don't even produce a tenth as much milk as the highest producing modern milk cows do. I don't know how big the difference is between original goats and domesticated milk goats, but probably not as big difference. (Nate the Hoof Guy's channel is so great, always fun to see people mention it)
@@Call-me-Al - sorry, not up on all the latest abbreviations. What is IIRC, please? And, yes, it is fun to see other people mention one the channels that you follow in their comments on another site. 😊
Also something for people in the comments to consider- I live in a farm town with a couple of small dairy farms, and it's rough. A lot of small dairies try to be ethical and/or sustainable and they're getting stomped on by the larger players in the dairy industry. Switching away from milk entirely also hurts them, and they're already doing poorly. I've heard about people selling their herds even though the love their cows, losing their farms and their whole career/livelihood, and sometimes even taking their own lives out of sheer desperation. One of my mom's friends is a dairy farmer and she said that during the worst times, the people picking up the milk to take it to stores would drop off s**cide prevention pamphlets when they came for the milk. Obviously not everyone has the option to buy from small, ethical, and sustainable farms, because of money, location, or even lack of time to do research. And it's not your job, reader, to solve the predicament of every person whose struggle you're aware of. There's too many struggles, even if you run yourself ragged things will slip through the cracks. But if you have the resources to support your local farms, please do so! This comment got a bit emotional, but I hope it successfully showed a few people a new perspective!
I source my milk, eggs and cheese in a small family-run farm but I know not everyone is lucky enough to do so. Industries are honestly killing small farms. Prices are simply fuc**d up. *I did today my weekly purchase. I will add regular supermarket price for comparison. # 1 litre of milk $30 ($100 or more in a store) # 1 kilo of cheese for Sandwichs and stuff like that $350 ($600 or more) # 36 eggs $250 ($750)
The s**cide rate for farmers is absolutely tragic, I've read statistics that it's higher than any other profession in most areas. There really does need to be more done about it. State governments are starting to step up a bit but there's definitely more work needed.
Consumers who want to be responsible and ethical should not purchase a product that requires rape, violence and cruelty to produce in the first place. One dairy being slightly less cruel than another dairy does not matter in absolute terms.
@@Barnaclebeard yes. And many people forget that the dairy industry is directly linked to the meat industry where all the cows who aren't economically sustainable anymore go to get murdered, not to mention their kids which are stripped away from them so that us humans can drink their calf food
@qley Dairy farmers sent the animals they claim to care so much about to slaughterhouses when their bodies are no longer profitable, dairy farmers don't care about anything but profit. Keep lying to yourself.
Forcibly impregnating any life form and then tearing the baby away from its mother continuously throughout their entire life is not ethical. But sure keep drinking the dairy industry koolaid.
That is a big wish, though. Most science teachers don't have a degree in food science. I do a, however, acknowledge she'd be a great teacher otherwise. She has a knack for digesting info and breaking it down, just for us laymen to understand. Or maybe that was included in the degree. [Science is tough.] Luckily she's still here!
@@nodezsh Haha! Yes of course most people wouldn't be food scientists and teaching schools. But I think the learning here is questioning what's "normal" and then researching one's might to find if its right or there's a better way around it!
Very interesting video, I am really hoping for a part 2 with the nutritional side of plant based milks and "good" and "bad" fats. I've been drinking plant based milk for a long time due to intolerance and I'd like to know which option is the best for me. I'd also like to know more about hystamine levels because I know that soy tends to make allergic people flare up for example, while other milks don't. Cheers!
Problem is pasteurised milk, I've switched many to raw milk and they've had no issues now. Luckily in the UK we can get raw milk, butter and cheese but not always easily accessible. Also the best fats are saturated, heart disease is caused by inflammation from vegetable oils/carbs/ any sugars which causes an emergency response. Like a cut finger, cholesterol goes to the area. With an inflamed body, blood cholesterol goes high. Veg oils are heat treated, pressed, bleached, rancid, oxidizes and full of omega 3 while being fed lab made fertiliser from fossil fuels and doused in pesticides and stuck in a plastic bottle. For this reason I use need dripping. Also plant nutrition is wrapped in cellulose which we can't break down which is why a cow needs 4 stomachs and magic bacteria/enzymes. Fibre is also completely indigestible. Humans are the same digestive system as large cats, dogs, wolves etc.
@@bmc9504 no we don't have the same digestive system as dogs cats and other such obligate carnivores. Because we are not carnivores! Humans are omnivores, we eat all forms of food so therefore have the digestive system best suited to that diet. I hope for the health of the people you have convinced to switch to raw dairy that it is microfiltered. The untold amounts of people that died of listeria and other bacteria associated with raw dairy before pasteurization was invented is still a good argument for pasteurization. Seriously why would you want to stop a practice that has helped prevent illness and death for over a century??
@@nikkiewhite476 we absolutely do! Humans have very short tracts, we cannot digest fibre nor plant nutrition wrapped which is wrapped in indigestible cellulose. If you want to destroy your gut, immune system and body then adopt a modern 90% vegan diet with 10% processed meat or go completely vegan and turn into a zombie.
@@nikkiewhite476 almost all foods and drink deaths are due to cooked food. Humans eat raw cheese and yogurt all the time without realising, cake batter is an example. Also muscle meat cannot cause Illness, only through bad practise during processing can it cause Illness. Pasteurization was necessary when people were in absolutely filthy conditions, 1 farmer could effect many. Never use to be the case.
@@bmc9504 muscle meat can not cause illness? What's about the bacteria on it or the parasites in it? You are deeply deluded and are a danger to yourself and others.
You should watch food theory's response to this vid, you put a lot of pressure on them over 2 sentences in their video and now they have to deal with a bunch of harassment when their video isn't even bad. Also, who cares about the thumbnail, that's just bringing up drama where there wasn't any. Who really keeps track of a thumbnail from another channel that was posted 2 YEARS ago? If even the creators of that channel don't mind - which they haven't indicated that they do because they haven't said anything, they why bring it up??? That's just pointing your fans and viewers at another channel to harass them. I have a lot of respect for you as a content creator and fully acknowledge and admire how much knowledge you have to share about all subjects, but you really should take responsibility here and take accountability for being irresponsible with your content as well. You pointed the finger at another content creator only to do the same thing.
There are assholes in every fanbase, for sure. But absolutely, I'm seeing Ann's comment section vs Mat's, and (again there are assholes in both), I'm seeing a *lot* more jerks in Mat's from Ann's fanbase. I'm reading through here and the worst I see more often than not is "Saying X and X was irresponsible" vs Ann's people saying "You need to actually do your research, all your videos are full of lies". Obviously there's a difference in humans here. lol
Exactly. I don’t understand why she pointed out that the thumbnails are similar… it will just lead people to believe that Mat Pat plagiarised Drew’s thumbnail, and her anti-mat Pat supporters will have another reason to hate him
here after mat's vid, tbf he and his team let some stuff through the cracks (good they admit that) but ngl it's a bit unjust how only a small fraction of their 14min vid got clipped. It rlly portrays them as a trashy, thoughtless channel when they really did have some good points.
@@nanoglitch6693 “ dumb crap no one cares about “ ??????? People obviously care if milk is good or not since we feed our children that and it’s used In everyday products ofc people care about it
I truly appreciate your unbiased, scientific approach to what is often an emotional topic for people. this is truly one of the best videos on this particular subject (cow's milk vs plant milk) that I've seen.
Hey, I’m seeing a lot of people being rude about the food theory thing, so just trying to be a bit nicer saying that MatPat just put out a response video on the food theory channel breaking down the points you made, and explaining some of his an his team’s thoughts around it (all of it in a respectful way, not bashing you like I’m seeing people in the comments doing). I think it is really informative and well put together, and I do think that you should check it out! I hope that whoever sees this has a wonderful morning/afternoon/night! Also to all the people being rude/mean about it, please don’t, even if some of the things she did were unfair, it doesn’t deserve the amount of toxicity I was seeing when i first came to check out this video, and I also don’t think that anybody on the food theory channel would like the fact that people are immediately attacking this video (and Ann). edit- A lot of people are saying a lot of things, and I just wanted to say that yes, I am aware that what Ann did wasn’t good, especially accusing food theory of plagiarizing another channel. I also know that at this point, most of the toxicity has been drowned out by more calm responses. The main point of my original comment was to calmly and respectfully inform (hopefully) Ann, and anyone else that saw my comment of the new video, as i wasn’t seeing much of that, just people judging and attacking. I also still stand by the fact that the toxicity I was seeing was not called for in any way, there are much better ways to deal with the problems at hand that also benefit both sides much more than automatically attacking someone. It benefits Ann, of course, because there are not people telling her to literally delete her channel, and it also benefits MatPat because a bunch of people attacking someone saying that they are fans is not a good look, and it also probably wouldn’t convince anyone to watch the response he made. I am going to refrain from responding to anyone else unless it is a well thought out, serious point made, because I really don’t like getting into conflicts, and I don’t want any arguments breaking out out in the replies. I hope whoever has read this knows that you are loved, and I hope you have a good rest of your life
Don't really see people "bashing" her as people are trying to stay calm and respectful, you have to ALSO understand that she did accuse MatPat of plagiarism in a video about misinformation of milk products? How does that fit in other than trying to throw dirt on other creators especially one of the more "seasoned" channels who do their due diligence in creating original content.
@@holyflanders924 when I first checked here, there were a bunch of super toxic comments, some even saying that Ann should just delete her channel and just being extremely mean, they’ve been mostly buried by other, calmer comments by this point While I do agree that accusing Food Theory of plagiarism was uncalled for, my main point is that it still doesn’t deserve the amount of hate that I was seeing
hi! I appreciate your kind words in the comment, the world really needs more positive people spreading good vibes, especially around these sort of situation which can become quite... aggressive to say the least. Having said that, I just wanted to say that, while I can't say for certain, what she did to food theory doesn't seem like she meant to be "not rude" or "not disrespectful". Let me explain: She took a clip out of context, "debunking" something that wasn't even the main point of the video, accusing unnecesairly the channel of plagiarism, which obecjtively a bit of research woudl've shown that it wans't necessary at all. All of this to say that she gave the channel bad clout, without mentioning even the fact that most of the video food theory did was actually making the same points as her. This does seem... a bit unfair, don't you think? I'm sorry if I seemed to be rude or something, it wasn't my intention!
@@Gale-wy8of don’t worry, you aren’t rude at all, and thank you, I do think I could have worded it a bit better and i think i will edit my comment. I do think that some of the things that were done were unfair, and i also think it doesnt deserve the immediate backlash it got (and im starting to repeat myself a bit, sorry! i’m just not sure how to reword it the way i want to) but yeah, thank you for being so kind!
A downside to some plant foods is that they contain naturally occurring plant substances, sometimes referred to as “anti-nutrients.” Examples of anti-nutrients are oxalates and phytates that bind to calcium and decrease its bioavailablity. Spinach contains the most calcium of all the leafy greens at 260 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked, but it is also high in oxalates, lowering the bioavailability so that only 5% or about 13 mg of calcium can be used by the body. The takeaway message is not to avoid spinach, which contains other valuable nutrients, but not to rely on spinach as a significant source of calcium since most of it will not be absorbed by the body. -Harvard University T.H. School of Public Health
great video! i always find it interesting that there's this huge focus on cow welfare, and that's great, we SHOULD be minimizing pain and discomfort wherever possible there, but I never hear about the abhorrent abuse of the workers who actually harvest and process the crops that make up the plant milks and I really think we should be looking at that too.
I do love that she addressed one of my biggest qualms of plant based diets and that's, yes vegetable have proteins and calcium and nutrients. BUT is it bioavailable to the person eating it? One should most definitely eat more fruits and vegetables. A plant based diet is possible. It just takes a lot more work and knowledge to do so in a health manner than people think.
As a vegan for many years I can say that it’s not really difficult or “a lot more work” to eat a plant based diet. Mostly the extra effort is reading labels because animal products get snuck in to so many foods where one might not expect them.
@@jpe1 I guess that means you're in a place accessible to lots of plant-based foods! in many areas, such options are not available or are priced much more expensively. the more work doesn't just consist of reading labels, it also involves calculating if the options available are nutritious enough or if they are within budget. going out with friends to eat also becomes a chore as many restaurants don't give many options for plant-based diets as well.
@@jpe1 The person as referring to growing food in places that cows can graze but you can’t grow many plants, like, oh, I don’t know, most of the Western US where ranchers ranch. Which is what Anne was referring to as well. Cows can thrive in places like Western Texas, New Mexico, etc. but you can’t just whatever plants you want there. We grow green chile and alfalfa, dude, you wanna subsist on just those two foods, go right ahead. 🙄
@@alternatereality2823 Cheapest foods in the world are vegan. Every store has vegan food. That's nothing but an excuse, what non vegans specialize in. Time to stop making them and cease hurting animals today!
@@rosannepub3122 unfortunately, that's not the case in my country. unless you live in what we call provinces, having a strictly plant-based diet is pretty much unattainable (unless you're well-off)
You are the first person that I have seen in this comment section that isn’t being rude and disrespectful to either side, and I applaud you for that! /gen
@@almighty_cheeselord lmao It’s not even a big deal I just watch food theory when I’m eating, figured everyone would be under these comments now and yea lots of negativity, should be helping each other become more knowledgeable. There’s literally no reason to be rude over milk and kale/lettuce.
I started drinking almond milk in high school after figuring out I was lactose intolerant (a bowl of cereal every morning did not spell a good time). I never actually understood the science behind it until now, so thank you for the clear visual explanation!
Thank you! I've seen so many people spreading misinformation about this topic... and about animal products, in general. I appreciate someone clearing the air, and I would love a Part 2 about meat vs meat substitutes. These informational / debunking practical information videos are even more interesting than the "debunking dumb hacks" series 💗
My grandmother used to love to tell the story about how her milk cow saved my life. I couldn’t handle my mother’s milk or keep anything down when I was an infant and kept losing weight. She had a milk cow on her farm and fed me her milk instead and I was able to keep it down. Mom freaked out and ran to the doctor because she’d heard how it was dangerous to feed children raw milk, but I’d gained enough weight that he wasn’t concern. He actually said that a single family cow was safer an that the main concern was from large commercial diary farms, not your family’s cow that was more of a pet. Some people shudder at the thought of raw milk. I loved it then and still do, though I can’t get it. It’s illegal to sell it for human consumption in much of the US, only for animal feed if you can find it at all. If you want it, you have to be able to keep your own cow or have a friend with one.
Hi! I'm from Japan and I love your videos! It's so well done and well researched! I wish everyone watched it because there is so many videos of big channels with wrong info... And watching yours just makes everything makes sense :D Could you do a video about the best food/diet to eat if you have atopic dermatitis(eczema), it's quite common in Asian people(like me lol) and when I went to Australia, I met people with that too! So maybe it could be interesting to make some content about it :) Best of luck! And thanks for all the effort on your videos!
I'm allergic to cow's milk, so I have to be really careful and make sure none of my food has milk listed in the ingredients. It is crazy to me that people think that they are essentially entirely giving up cow's milk just by giving up the stuff from the jug. There are sooooooooooo many things that aren't even obvious to people that don't have to avoid it that are full to bursting with cow's milk. Lots of sauces will have milk or butter or whey in. Cereal might have dried forms of milk in, especially when they're of the chocolate variety. I'm not even safe with 'plant based' things, they might still have milk in.
You have to check EVERY SINGLE LABEL and go to the trouble of asking servers at almost every restaurant (because most suck about listing their allergens) to check if something has milk in. It's a lot of work and I don't understand why anyone would do it just for funsies
Unfortunately it is the same as soon as you try to avoid a food : sugar is everywhere, palm oil also, and gluten is more present than air. Some people don't drink cow"s milk "from the bottle" because they just don't feel like. It's not "the funsies", it's just a personal choice I don't see why you are so butthurt about it
If you mean vegans it's because the idea of drinking milk is more distressing than avoiding it so it's worth that effort, I'm lactose intolerant so have to avoid milk and it isn't that difficult in the UK at least (we legally have to have it clearly listed on all packaging, including risk of cross contamination)
@@etdicila8894 I wasn't suggesting this was in any way unique to cow's milk, merely pointing out that those who do want to fully cut out cow's milk from their diet for whatever reason are probably going to have a harder time at it than they think. Heck, I'm having a hard time at it, and I've had to be doing it for my whole life.
It's also perfectly fine not to drink cow's milk for whatever reason, but people doing that should also be aware that it's probably not putting a big dent in how much cow's milk they consume, unless they eat lots of cereal and drinks with milk in and everything else they eat is almost entirely handmade from scratch.
@@pgakt I more meant those only cutting out milk from the jug for climate/health reasons as shown in the video.
I also live in the UK, I think it's a lot easier to avoid the big sources of milk here (milk alternatives are readily available and so are cheeses, yoghurts, butters, and ice-creams) than it is to avoid all the little places it shows up everywhere, like I have to. It's not impossible, but it takes a lot of shopping around and learning what to stay away from
@@SunnyB_adventures Ohh I see
my brother was allergic to milk when he was a child, he went through a special therapy to acclimatise his body to milk, and now he's fine with it. Ironically, he's also allergic to nuts, and that hasn't gone away, so the option for milk alternatives were quite narrow when we were kids.
I was also allergic to both milk and nuts when I was a kid, but I grew out of them. Well, not quite, since I still test as allergic to nuts, especially peanuts (which aren’t actually real nuts) but I don’t have a problem eating them. My brother still can’t, though.
Most kids do grow out of milk allergies (eggs as well), but nut allergies tend to stay. It’s not totally clear why
Problem is pasteurised milk, I've switched many to raw milk and they've had no issues now. Luckily in the UK we can get raw milk, butter and cheese but not always easily accessible.
@IntercityLisko Yeah, no problem that I'm aware of. I mean, I might medically be allergic, but in practice I don't have any reactions worth mentioning.
@IntercityLisko Well, I have bunch of other allergies as well, including pets. It's almost always about loose hairs. So if you keep the pets and house clean, then it's often okay.
After some digging I came to the conclusion that to me personally, the best option is locally produced oat milk! This video absolutely highlights the fact that there is no "one solution fits all" in these questions and that we all should do a little bit of research where we get our food from and what it is. Thank you Ann!
Thank you for using local oat milk!
@@RT-wm3wb bro why you thanking her. is she buying the oat milk from you or what? y’all corny
oat milk ftw!
@@ioana7547 Only if they buy corn milk XD
@@ioana7547 salty much
MatPat and Anne debating over milk and greens is the kind of UA-cam drama I enjoy.
She really cleared him 😭 with props of cabbage and everything
It’s not really a drama… just a debate.
Tbh i'm more prone to trust Anne since ya know FOOD scientist and well there is no history of misinformation that i am aware of, and Mat unfortunately..well if he is willing to lie about video games he is likely to lie about food
@@hornedskullasmr7811 I think what a lot of people forget is that its game, film, food 'theory' hes saying its a theory, he isnt lying about games or food, hes just giving his ideas, and i think a lot of people forget that. But I agree u should trust ann more for food considering she is a food scientist, but my point is that his videos are theory videos, not confirmed, not saying if you dont do this its wrong, but the fact that they are ideas based off some research.
@@antoinebutterfly8555 Hey... everyone makes mistakes. In Mat's response video, he mentions that his team overlooked the cabbage thing. It was an honest mistake, but sure, act immature over something as small as that.
The introduction of lactose free milk has helped my family a lot, the dairy alternatives are so expensive here and it just makes such a difference for all of us lactose intolerants in the family :) love this in depth look:)
Hello, fellow lactose intolerant family! :D Just curious, is there also no "organic" lactose free milk available to you where you live? Because where I live, there's either regular milks, "organic" milks, plant milks, OR lactose free milks, but I've never, ever seen an "organic" lactose free milk, and it's actually kind of upsetting the option doesn't seem to exist, which is one reason I buy a lot of plant milk. If I had ethically sourced lactose free milk available to me, that would be an awesome option.
@@hannahg.8572 You should inquire what the term "organic" has to legally entail where you live; it's possible that the processing necessary to make lactose-free milk would barr the producers from labeling their product as "organic", even if the milk otherwise satisfies the criteria.
@@DangerSquiggles You're completely right, the reason I was using "organic" in parantheses was because it's the closest translation to the label used in the country I live in, but it's not a literal equivalent in terms of what that actually entails. Sadly that doesn't change that there are only like 2-3 common brands that offer lactose free options, which one can assume are the same quality as the other milk they sell, while the known animal-friendly brands only sell "natural" milk full of lactose, as far as I have seen. :(
@@hannahg.8572 It's extremely hard to find organic milk that's also lactose free as there isn't much of a market for it. To be classified as organic in the United States at least, every part of the process the milk under goes needs to be certified as organic, which gets quite expensive. If you are concerned about organics, a lot of products (especially at health food stores) will state they were made with organic food, even if the final product isn't fda approved as organic.
If you are in Europe unfortunately getting organic food is a nightmare. There are lots of subsidies for traditional foods in Europe, meaning that "ethical" practices for food growing and animal raising isn't as prevalent, especially within the dairy industry.
@@hannahg.8572 I get Organic Valley lactose free milk. There are a couple other brands of organic lactose free milk at my local grocery stores too... But I'm also in Wisconsin. We have a loooooot of milk options here.
If you live in the US, bear in mind that plant milks in grocery stores don’t legally have to be fortified, so always look on the label to see.
Also, calcium-set tofu is a good thing to add to your diet if you’re looking to get more calcium. Not all tofu is calcium-set, so be sure to check.
This is a great tip!
The same is true in the UK, some plant milks are fortified and other's aren't. Check the label so you know what you're getting.
I know everyone is trying to do their best for animals and environment but soy and avocados are some of the worst things for the environment unfortunately. I'm sticking w regular cows milk personally but as long as everyone knows it purely effects animals and not environment, drink what u like 😄
@@rubthesleep First, no one is drinking avocado milk. I would go back and compare different plant milks to cows milk before making that decision.
Second, animal agriculture in general (including meat, milk and eggs) is one of the leading causes of climate change, and the more humane it is for the animals, the worse of an impact it has on the environment. Factory farming takes less land, time, and resources than humane farming. To solve both problems at once, I’m just avoiding animal products altogether.
@@rubthesleep As bad as they can be, animal agriculture is worse. The argument is nor even about the treatment of animals, but the environmental impact.
7:40 I really appreciate the visual representation here. I struggle a lot with imagining just how much or how big something is when given only a measurement and find myself trying to compare it to something that i actually do know the size of, which doesn't usually work when talking about weights of food. The visual representation helps so much more than just the weight, so thank you again.
Bioavailability of calcium
For example, dairy foods have a bioavailablity of about 30% absorption so if a food label on milk lists 300 mg of calcium per cup, about 100 mg will be absorbed and used by the body.
Seeing all those beans made it clear that the gas from it would be worst than anything a lactose intolerant person can imagine.
Haha. That's so true! I'm literally laughing out loud at that segment. Imagine a kid, mom says "don't drink your milk, here have a Kilo of broccoli". Hahaha
yess same, without the visuals i can't picture it
Okay but what about sesame seeds, tofu, collard greens? All of these have more calcium in much more realistic amounts and Ann didn't even mention them. Her video makes it seem like the 3 options she showed are the highest plant sources of calcium other than fortified foods and they're not. Even if that's what these articles she's reading mentioned, she could have done research on her own to find more realistic sources of plant calcium
I'm very glad you bring up the point about phytates and oxalates. It comes up all the time in the clinic whenever people are surprised they have iron deficiency anaemia despite eating large amounts of leafy green, and they're always so shocked when I tell them that the phytates and oxalates chelate out the iron and calcium and make them unavailable to absorb. And then I always have to reiterate that leafy greens are great to eat to get your vitamins and that just because they're technically iron/calcium poor is not an excuse to eliminate leafy greens from the diet lmao. This is why health education and food education are so important, because most of them believe in the hype around these foods so much, but when they realise what's actually going on, well... In the words of the great Beyoncé and Lady Gaga, trust is like a mirror-you can fix it if it's broken, but...
As an agricultural researcher, I really appreciate your acknowledging how hard it is to quantify environmental impact due to the many factors that go into making, storing, and transporting a product. The exact same product, produced at two different locations, can have vastly different environmental impacts. The obvious factor here is the energy needed for transportation, but also consider things like where is the water coming from (rainfall or maybe a river that is being pumped dry to meet human water demands), what was the land before production started (i.e. are you using existing farmland or are you converting natural land), what kind of soils are you dealing with (sandy soils are particularly prone to leaching, where fertilizers, stored animal manure, and other inputs are more like to travel through the soil and into the groundwater that humans use for drinking water), etc.
You say the “obvious factor”. That’s a matter if prospective. If you look at it from a carbon perspective the “obvious factor” is different. I’ve seen plenty of analysis that shows the GHG emissions associated with dairy, nothing that counteracts that. If there was evidence to show it, you’d think the dairy lobby would be shouting about it.
Thanks for these considerations! I'd also say that one of the best things you can do in general is make sure that you're eating as locally as possible, and especially foods that are adapted to the area you live in - heritage crops, etc. It's hard to find everything you need that way but it can be so worth it to know who is farming your food and how it gets to your plate.
@@symetryrtemys2101 GHGs are only ONE among a number of environmental issues that need to be considered, but I have read studies and reports that contradict the commonly held belief you espouse. Why weren't they talked about more? That comes down to who decides what information is worth reporting. If you look at the state of media today you may actually be able to see where the issue lies.
The problem is far more complex than just GHGs, though, and that is what Kirsten was getting at. Deforestation is just as devastating to the environment, but in an entirely different way, and soil leaching is even MORE problematic as it can render arable land non-arable meaning LESS land is available to grow in.
My point is, picking a single issue and using that as the sole metric, as many are wont to do, drastically underplays the other environmental issues surrounding each form of agriculture, be it crop or livestock. My recommendation is to take another look at Kirsten's comment and learn about the other environmental factors she wrote about, because they may impact your viewpoint.
Also type of animal, lower impact ruminants like Goats will have a lesser effect on grazing lands compared to cows because of their ability to process much lower quality feed stocks (i.e scrublands rather than managed pasture)
However the counter to this would be the use of goats to deforest land that otherwise unsuitable for cropping and grazing and hence left to the local environment, is now available for farming.
@@symetryrtemys2101 prospective or perspective?
Interestingly, I've found that the lactose-free milk keeps for a lot longer than regular milk. It doesn't go sour as quickly, probably because the fermentation doesn't happen in the same way with the lactase added. It is a big plus for me, since I only use a little bit for my morning tea every day.
Have you heard of UHT milk?
It keeps longer because it's ultra-pasteurized, which is necessary for the lactose to be broken down.
A lot of the process of milk going bad is bacteria and fungi eating the sugar and then farting and crapping in the milk. So I can see why milk without the milk sugar would keep longer. No lactose for the bacteria and fungi to eat, nothing for them to fart/poop out.
Not sure about the milk where you live, but a tetrapack of normal milk last me up to three weeks when kept in the fridge. Mind you I only use it for cooking after a week or so has passed, because while the taste isn't off, it's not worth the risk of potential e. coli. 🤷
@@Ms3queen as Ann said I'm the video with the carbonated milk, what causes it to go sour is the butyric acid, Wich is the waste of some bacteria that eats lactose. So yeah, without lactose there's no food and thus no sour milk ( at least until the fat in the milk starts going rancid)
It's great seeing plant based milk talked about in a normal, non-biased way.
I'm lactose intolerant so I have to have alternatives, and I get a lot of comments who say, "You know it's actually worse for you, right?" without knowing that I can't digest cow's milk.
I hope non dairy milk can be seen more as an alternative instead of a 'better/worse' kind of competition.
Oh yeah. This absolutely exists. For a while I had to go dairy-free, and I was a bit annoyed by the "almond milk is not real milk" thing. I got it from family members. They were mostly just funning, but I rolled my eyes at it. Like the dairy industry has the trademark on any substance called "milk."
Um...we know it's not cow's milk. That's the point.
I had to laugh too, after watching a "Tasting History" episode where Max looks at a medieval document that very clearly calls almond milk "almonde mylke." Sorry everyone. That's just what it's called! Has been for a long time!
Is that really happening? I find that a lot of people for no particular reason go “dairy free” because it’s trendy. People self diagnosing as lactose intolerant is also a big thing.
@@kristin123a I mean the thing with lactose intolorance is you don't need to go to a doctor's office to get an official diagnosis of an intolerance. Intolerance is a different thing than a milk allergy. If you drink milk and you get a really bad stomachache afterwards everytime, you probably have an intolerance to dairy. I'm not paying for a doctor's visit just to get told that information. It took me a while to figure it out, but I've discovered that if there's a higher content of milk or lactose in something, I have a worse reaction. For example, when I eat butter or Parmesan cheese, there is no reaction because there's little to no lactose in those items. But if I drink something with whole milk or eat ice cream, I have a much stronger reaction. Also, no one is required to disclose their dietary choices for you, and if someone said "because it's trendy/everyone else is doing it" that's just a canned response that isn't so personal.
@@kristin123a I get extremely sick when I have any dairy, I've had many people assume I'm vegan or just trying to quirky.
About 60% of the time I get what I actually order, and the other times people scoff or make some comment, at least in my area. I have to make it extemely clear that I have lactose issues or I might get unlucky.
I'm happy for you if this isn't a problem where you live, but it's something I have to face constantly.
@@mirandacasper6151 She's talking about the victimhood cult people who need things to be "special" for themselves. They'll go from eating dairy nonstop to suddenly being intolerant or "allergic" to it because they've decided they can accrue victim points from it. You'll know exactly who they are because they'll never shut up about it. People who are actually lactose intolerant don't feel the need to mention it at every possible opportunity.
Fun fact about bone density: one of the common osteoporosis medicines is a strontium supplement. Strontium is chemically similar to calcium, so it can fit into bones, but it doesn't leave the bones as easily as calcium.
Related fun fact: One of the reasons they stopped aboveground nuclear testing is they figured out radioactive forms of strontium from the bombs were ending up in kids' bones and getting stuck there, and there was concern that that'd cause cancer.
This was beautifully informative, thank you. I used to live in the Central Valley of California, a local farmer called “Rosa Bros.” Produces their own milk and dairy. They started with just milk but asked their consumers whom purchased their milk at local grocery stores that the milk was distributed to save the bottles they used. They would save them and bring them back to the store where the grocers would hold onto them for someone to come collect the bottles. They would be washed and sterilized and filled again. It was like a milk man for the masses.
There is a dairy like that near me in Southeastern Michigan, and I love the glass bottles, for the re-use (instead of recycling) factor, and I find milk and cream out of glass bottles tastes better!
From central CA. I know whos brand your talking about
Where in Central CA? I was in Fresno I never heard of it! I would have definitely bought it if I had. Sounds cool!
I miss the milk man, was a common site growing up in the uk
@@TheRocketbabydoll yes, I grew up with milk delivery as well, in Australia. You'd put your empty glass bottles out and they'd be reused. Sometimes the magpies would poke holes in the shiny tops, trying to get them. There was always that bit of cream on top.
I remember telling my kids about it, they were so surprised.
I am a doctor in nutrition. And this video is very well done, respectful and very well researched. Thank you for this video
As a dairy farmer that is responsible for calves I would like to add that we don't separate the calves for the milk as the first days the calf gets colostrum which the first couple of days is not for human consumption (some exceptions), but for the calves health. Research and experience shows that a higher percentage of calves survive that way. Some calves had a hard birthing which makes them too weak to drink or they are just a bit dumb and don't get what to do fast enough. Some mumcows need rest after birthing and won't stand up for a little while, don't have enough milk or they walk away when the calf wants to drink. As the first 2 days of colustrum are essential to survival we milk the cow, monitor it and give it to get calf or when issues arise supplement with colostrum from another cow that we get from the freezer and warm up. The calf I feed myself and check up at the same time (if they eat enough, no diarrhoea, navel heals well, etc.). They see me as their mum and I make sure they are taken care of. I love the calves and it's a lifestyle.
But land cleared for crops? What about the rainforest? That’s being cleared for cattle, so I’ve heard.
And anyway, how is that an answer to using grazing area for raising vegetables?
@@hopegold883 The land we farm on has been farmed on since the middle ages, so there is no additional clearing here and I am currently planting 20 more trees for my own pleasure and for the environment. Our fields are also very impractically small and oddly shaped due to being older which in turn makes it less efficient for the large machinery for wheat. Also there is a lot of clay and wetness in our soil (heavy soil) which makes it harder for large machines and some crops as well. Farmers do try to be efficient and generalisations of third world practices do not help. I am a dutch farmer who produce a lot of the milk consumed worldwide.
@@franciscas1938 i would love too see your farm😭
@@franciscas1938 planting trees doesn't really help the environment compared to the environmental damage caused by cattle production(and doesn't do a whole lot overall because we can't outplant the rainforest destruction caused from cattle production). Even just the cows you raise produce far more green house gasses than your entire field filled with trees would use in equivalent Co2. The issue is more industrial farms for sure but I would assume even you as a dairy farmer sell the calves for slaughter and after those 2 days put them on formula and when the cows stop producing I doubt you just feed them and love on them all day. You might but again I doubt you have the land for that humanely. Even if you do...99% of farms don't. When a cow isn't profitable they kill them or sell them to be killed. These industries are 100% related. You can't say you love something that you support and allow to live only as long as it is profitable. You can't humanely kill things because they are inconvenient to you. Selling them for other people to kill is still killing them. These are just some of the reasons why you can paint it however you want but you are not this in the field by hand milking the extra to use for your family and neighbors while letting the calves get their fill. This would be a lifestyle. You have a job. There is a very big difference.
12:20 "legally they have to be fortified" depends on what country you're in. In the uk, some milk alternatives have added calcium, and some don't. Check the packaging to make sure.
No supplement!? There, i may have grown deficient if i werent interested in food science.
some governments seem pro-Natural Selection while others aim for Nanny State.
As with many health related things, the most benefits are in moderation.
I’m curious - when foods/drinks are fortified with calcium, where does that calcium typically come from? Is it from rocks? Is it extracted from calcium-rich foods? Does the source make a difference in how it is absorbed?
there could be multiple different sources but the most common compound is calcium carbonate. the compound makes the difference not the source. clacium citrate or a ligand calcium is best absorbed.
This is exactly the type of content we need more of on the internet. Unbiased, informative. Not "you must or must not do this or that because I say so" Almost nothing in life is so black an white as "this specific thing is healthy and this other thing isn't" The answer is always somewhere in between and it always depends.
I strongly dislike healthy products fear mongering. What so very few people are willing to do is a balanced side by side comparison like this. Inform us in comprehensible understandable ways the benefits of consequences of either side and allow us the option to make an informed decision for ourselves what will work best for us.
Ann, you have always chosen the approach to inform us, give us the tools to make our own decisions, it is always appreciated. I appreciate the amount of research you always do in all of your videos and I can for 100% certain say that your videos do make an impact.
I think you really want it to be not be clear that milk is unhealthy because it benefits you. I can't imagine how you got milk is healthy or somewhat okay from this video. No one is eating 250g of kale. No one is saying kids should eat it either. They are saying if you eat a whole food plant based diet that has lots of variety of beans/lentils, nuts, seeds, greens, fruit you are EASILY meeting your calcium requirements and will have the best health outcomes. This is the scientific consensus. So, why consume bovine mammary secretions? We cannot have an unbiased discussion about food and health where a product that isn't even human food is an option cause it is not food.
@@Andrew-hx9tz are you copyand pasting this everywhere? Did you watch the video?
@@Andrew-hx9tz lol
@@Andrew-hx9tz This is true technically, but if you eat a whole food plant based diet (so I'm assuming no processed food?), your blood cells will become malformed and your nerves will slowly degrade, because there is not a single plant based source of vitamin b12.
@@Andrew-hx9tz sounds like soy rage to me.
Anyways she did amazing on the video because I love my dairy. I don't care much for plant based milks. I'll have it time to time but nothing like milk to me and my family. I did come from being a vegetarian to eating meat. I do feel better then when I was on that diet
My 12-year-old who was born with lactose intolerance he wants to thank you for the inclusion and very clear explanation.
He had me send him a link to this video with a time stamp so he can share it with his friends to explain to them why he can’t have milk, yogurt, most cheeses, etc.
Lactose intolerance from birth is very rare and definitely caused more issues in times past than now. I had to keep him on special formula as an infant and once he was old enough it was easy to switch him to lactose-free milk and otherwise to watch his diet and make sure he got enough calcium, fat, and vitamin-D.
Now the hardest part is the lack of cheese, especially since he’s at an age where pizza parties are so common.
Things were undoubtedly harder for my brother, dad, and great uncles who were all born with lactose intolerance.
There’s so many more lactose-free and vegan alternatives for most dairy products that even in my small city they’re mostly available.
One of my cousin’s babies was born lactose intolerant too! So difficult and I imagine it only gets harder when they’re school age, like you said, where you’re not there helping control everything they’re offered. I was visiting my cousin once, and the baby’s older sister is very headstrong. I looked over when they’d gotten unusually quiet and she was trying to feed the baby a milkshake!! I tried to explain to her how she can’t feed the baby without mom around, especially milk, but she just blew me off. Mom didn’t talk to her about it at all 😬 Idk how they all survive in that house lol but I’m glad the baby is okay
Lily A. Yikes!
I was only able to have one kid and I got lucky that one of his interests early on was anatomy and how bodies work (when he was 4, his favorite book was an anatomy book made for 3rd graders, lol). So I was able to explain to him in little kid terms what lactose intolerance is and what foods he can and can’t eat.
He was usually okay with trying new foods with a lactase pill to see how much it helped. But we quickly learned that foods with a lot of milk or cream still make him sick even with a lactase pill or two. So foods like ice cream, milkshakes, or Alfredo sauces are permanently off the menu.
But there’s ways around it. For example, it’s hard to go out for ice cream or milkshakes as a reward for something, but we sometimes go to Starbucks and get strawberry Frappuccinos. If he gets a soy or oat milk one, it’s close to a milkshake.
For birthday parties we often bring a pint of dairy free ice cream for him. Sometimes we bring 2 pints because the other kids are almost always curious and will want some.
For his own birthday party a few times we had snow cones instead of birthday cake. That way we didn’t have to worry about the frosting.
The kids *loved* it and it worked well since he has a friend that’s allergic to wheat. It was the first birthday party she’d been to that she could eat the treats.
I think if a parent is open with their kid about what their condition is and educates them about what they can and can’t eat (and maybe makes them part of that process) early on it’s not as scary. Especially if the child is strong willed.
It was more scary when I was a kid when people were less aware of food allergies and intolerances. These days teachers are a lot more aware and know to watch out for these things.
this video is bad and explain almost nothing about why he can't get the milk .. just find a better video for your specific case. It's much better for your child.
Actually a lovely little farm called Elgaar Farm in Tassie discovered that actually, if you leave the bobby calves with their mothers, they just produce more milk. Very wholesome little bunch. Used to be able to get their milk in Melbs but I think their supply chain went.
Had there been a formal study, most farms would think twice (just a saying. More like tenfold) before sending away the poor baby cows.
Then processing them.
Don't tell the cows.
This is such a delightfully Australian comment lol
@@nodezsh No one is going to think twice. They produce more milk. Not enough milk to compensate giving the milk to the calves. Esp if you had to keep the males around. Esp on an industrial scale when profits need to be much better and that many heads cannot be properly monitored.
As someone else commented. They might produce more milk. But you don't harvest more milk because it's going to feed other cows
watching the momma cow chase after the van with her calf in it just broke my heart.
same. it's haunting.
It just a cow ( Im saying this with full respect , in case u don't know ) . But the cows are property of the farmer and thats not really a case of an abused animal so it can u explain ( again , with full respect ) why u are so sad ?
Yeah, but don't humanize them. They're animals, and the same way you see the cow chasing the calf or playing, you can see them stomping chicks into mush just for fun or rejecting the calf when it's born, and you hear it cry and she wants nothing to do with it, and will try to kill it if given the chance.
Another thing I see often (student dietitian here) when people talk about the nutrients of kidney beans is comparing their dry weight (unsoaked) with milk instead of their soaked/cooked weight which can be just as misleading as talking about gram for gram rather than comparing servings. It's no wonder people get confused! 🌯🥫 Thanks again for your awesome content Ann ❤️
I think the only think that is confusing people are the industry funded studied that make it into place like People magazine because they tell us what we want to hear. I am sorry but dairy is scary. There is no arguing this from a scientifically sound place. A couple cups of beans/lentils, plenty of veggies esp cooked greens, some seeds you are easily hitting RDAs. It isn't wrong. No one is going around eating 250 grams of JUST raw kale. Kids love kale smoothies and well seasoned cooked greens though. At least kids that are raised on cooked greens. No one is going to argue its not easier to drink milk. Take a multivitamin and eat potato chips if you want all good. It is easy. However, milk is in no means healthy. Even the processed lower fat versions you typically imagine.
@@Andrew-hx9tz I don't know but soooo many people have issues with milk. Especially after 30s or 40s. Most people I know have to lower the amount of milk consumption a lot. I developed severe intolerances towards any milk products over the years and almost puked after one spoon of lasagna that had cheese in it. I sat there sweating, afraid to move, it was so bad. I rather take the 1 kilo of broccoli 😂
@@Andrew-hx9tz did you even watch Ann's video?
@@Andrew-hx9tz Maybe watch Ann's video before making these blanket statements?
@@Andrew-hx9tz If you have a brain, do start using it🙂
My brother had such painful lactose intolerance (and we ate so much dairy) that before it was diagnosed, he had to stop marching band, and his doctor thought he might have a hernia or something.
Then one night he took lactase before a cheesy dinner just to see… and his months-long pain was gone. He was so annoyed that the solution was that simple.
I grew up next to my local dairy farm, I have fond memories of popping next door and getting a glass bottle of milk for home, and then returning the glass bottle once empty, they would sterilize all the bottles and reuse them. I moved away and that same local dairy delivers milk locally in the glass bottles and they pick up the bottles on the next delivery, they have expanded and now make their own yoghurts and cheese (which we also buy). I do pay more for my milk that if I bought from a shop, but I am supporting a local business and family.
That's a dream come true for me! I wish I could find a local farm to get raw milk, it's much better for you than killing the beneficial bacteria through pasteurization.
So... I have no idea why any of this is happening in the first place. I feel like mats original video was completely fine and just mentioned alternative foods to eat instead of milk (which was like 30 seconds of his entire video) everything else was fine. Ann's video is good for talking about milk and it's alternatives. Neither video is wrong, ive been lactose intolerant for a very long time now and am now developing an allergy to it. I've actually been intolerant since I was 8 so both of these videos are really helpful. Growing up my family didn't have enough money to buy alternative milks because they are very expensive where I live. So I got most of my calcium from beans and broccoli. But now that I'm older( and have a stable job) I can start getting alternative milks now, I personally like soy a lot over oat and coconut but that's just me.
he misinformed people. he said those vegetables had more calcium than milk when it clearly doesn’t.
@@saram5964 Except it does in both weight and in absorption rate by the body. The only time it isn't is when you compare is by serving, which is quite a dumb measurement to compare by. plenty of things that people go overboard with in serving size.
@@janso8896 except most people aren’t going to eat that much food just to get the same amount as a cup of milk
@@saram5964 But what he said was true, it doesn't matter if you have a food that has a really high amount of calcium but you can't absorb it compared to a food that has a slightly lower amount of calcium you can actually absorb.
@@saram5964 except he did not mislead anyone, and they do infact have mnore calcium than milk gram for gram which is how science and math works as anne admits to.
Theres nothing better than a peaceful day/afternoon with some coffee and bread
Add watching Ann’s new video to the list
*and your perfect Friday is set!*
enjoy your day 😀
that's exactly what i was doing xD
omg i'm literally doing that atm, i was like "what a peaceful day to drink coffee and learn something interesting from ann" XD
Yessss!!!
THANK YOU for talking about Oxalate! I have a green iguana and a major, major problem for them is how many leafy green vegetables contain oxalic acid (spinach, another commonly recommended milk substitute for calcium) is particularly bad. reptiles that are fed foods high in oxalates develop Metabolic Bone Disease essentially because they become calcium deficient. It's basically rickets and osteoporosis, and it is a permanent condition once they get it. My iguana has severe MBD that he developed due to an inappropriate diet in a previous home. That's right, spinach and other "high calcium" veggies can give them calcium deficiency. It's something that most people are not aware of. As a reptile owner i tend to feed a lot of collard and mustard greens and kale (kale is fine for iguanas but should not be fed to tortoises due to the goiterians (sp?))
also Environmental Impact... one of the big problems facing bees in the US is colony collapse disorder, and a major factor in that is the fact that the majority of commercial beehives in the US are shipped to California every year to pollinate the almond orchards. this does three things, 1 it stresses the bees out making them more susceptible to disease, and 2, mingles bees from different regions in the US together, making it easier to transmit disease, and 3 when the bees return to their home region they then transmit the diseases they picked up to native bee species, feral honey bees, and hobbyist hives, spreading the colony collapse disorder. It is truly astonishing to me that Almond products are considered "vegan" considering the level of harm the almond industry does to bees in the US. Honey is a byproduct of the bee industry, the main product is the pollination of crops.
I didn't know about the bee issue. Thank you for posting 🙂
Oxalates are also a big concern for rabbit owners, since they can develop similar problems.
Wait I didn't know, that the US did that bee shipping thing... How did they ever come up with something so incredibly bad.
Another problem in insecticide. You would think that farmers, who rent bees to pollinise their crops, would stop spraying pesticide well enough in advance not to harm he bees, but nope.
Many "vegans" don't really care about animals and the environment, they just want to feel holier than thou
Another brilliant video! I recently had to switch to oat milk while breastfeeding temporarily (baby was getting awful diarrhoea and gas so I removed dairy from my diet under advisement from the paediatrician for a few months - not an allergy for baby thankfully, his gut just wasn't matured enough to be able to handle the milk protein which apparently gets into the breastmilk) and I'm glad that I was still getting plenty of calcium from my oat milk and all the rest of it. I've gone back to cows milk now that baby is coping with dairy protein, simply because I found the milk alternatives tasted very sweet, almost like cereal milk - which was fine when I was just putting it in tea but not when I had actual cereal with it! But I'm glad that there were alternatives. Everyone should be able to make their own choices about what they consume.
You can get unsweetened milk alternatives.
@@SquirrelNutkins Even the unsweetened were too sweet for me.
When my son was a baby, I had to switch him to goat milk formula cause the doctor thought that perhaps his throwing up was because of the cow's milk intolerance. Turned out to be pyloric stenosis which was fixed via surgery and we switched back to cow's milk formula (thank god for that cause the goat milk one smelt real bad)
Not sure where you are, but when I ordered hot drinks with soya milk when visiting the US, it was so sweet - then they showed me the carton and it said unsweetened! Never had that problem in Europe.
@@teapotgamer64 cow’s milk has far more sugar (in the form of lactose) per serving than, for example, unsweetened almond milk, so I suspect that what you were tasting as “sweetness” was simply the different taste of the plant milk compared to cows milk.
I grew up on a dairy farm. Our girls were treated better than the human kids lol. If one was sick, the vet was immediately called. We also never took the babies away. It's heartbreaking to see them go through such trauma. My grandparents also brought older girls from auctions to let them live out their lives instead of going to slaughter. As a kid, my friends were the animals on the farm. We had horses, donkeys, goats, and a few chickens. None were "food". My family just enjoyed watching and interacting with them. They each had their own personalities. I loved sitting on my grandparent's back porch and watching them play and carry on. I'm lucky to have an animal loving family.
When I was 17 it was all taken away from us by hurricane Katrina. We did all we could to save as many as possible. All but 2 of our cows died. The flood was so devastating to my family. The water was over 15 feet in some places. The worst part is that the water was contaminated with sewage, dead animals, and chemicals. So even if the animals didn't drown, they became sick or injured by chemicals like gasoline and diesel. Some had broken legs and ribs. It was just horrible all around. We are lucky to have survived but lost everything.
I'm sorry for your loss, but your story proves some of my arguments on the subject, mostly that the farmers need their cows so they take care of them and one cow produces multiple bottles of milk every single day, meanwhile there is no oversight on the health and well-being of the people harvesting the nuts and other alternatives and once a tree/field is harvested you'll have to wait till next year for any additional yeald. I've tried explaining to a Peta supporter that the cows will be in pain if not milked even if their baby is with them, but fanaticism is an incurable disease. So what those idiots that glue themselves in protest are actually saying is that they don't really care about people or the industry, they are just after some cheap publicity.
Unfortunately, I'm sensitive to lactose, so I'm forcing myself to drink oatmilk and almond milk and it's so hard to find ones that could even remotely fool me that it's milk I'm drinking. On the other hand, I'm fully prepared to face the wrath of an upset stomach for a good slice of cheese (and I'm talking real cheese, not the processed ones).
Your family doesn’t represent the world sorry to let u know
oh my goodness, I'm so sorry. I can't imagine how devastating that must've been. How are you now?
@@annak8755 How about no cows instead?
@@alalalala57 yes, Peta- Kill all the cows :D
(but also, don't forget to let them suffer and the meat go to waste so don't eat it)
Not only do Ann's creations look and taste amazing (i can tell
very true
It's absolutely refreshing that such content remains possible on UA-cam. Grateful to her!
Agreed!
She is also juuuust humble enough to still roast those that present absurd statements.
"You can replace milk with cabbage, you say? Well I'm glad you love cabbage that much because this means you eat 30 times more cabbage than the average person, just to replace this tiny glass of milk. Look!"
Time for you to all go vegan!
Thank you so much for that incredible comparison. I completely agree with you about the fact that it is such a complex (and polarised) issue, that finding which milk is "best" based on its environmental impact is an impossible task and we can only look at it as personal preference. I think that is the truth for all of the vegan or meat diet debate
When I first went vegan 10 years ago, I thought it was a simple decision to immediately lessen my environmental impact, I thought it was easy "don't eat animal products and you can do no harm," but I have been thinking more critically about it for the past few years and done more unbiased research. I came the conclusion there is no perfect or easy option, and instead I just have to pick the option which I think is least harmful and best for me. At the end of the day though, my sister nearly died of anorexia, so I don't believe in making people feel ashamed of the food they eat.
In a lot of ways, as much as we as indivuduals try to lessen their impact on the environemnt, its the big businesses that are really doing the most harm. The way you are doing it is probably the best way to do it, although I am not vegan I know once I get my own place and money I'm going to try to get a lot of my meat and fruits and veggies from the local farms or attempt to grow my preferred fruits. It won't solve everything, but it makes you feel good and that's a good thing. I hope your sister is going better now too.
At the end of the day, I'm still not convinced that food is what makes the greatest environmental impact. My home country is known for its beef. Beef there is cheaper than chicken. We're also a poor nation therefore electricity is iffy on a good day.
Despite the fact that there are people there who literally eat beef for every meal, and that we don't even kill all the cows because having a large flock of strong cows is seen as a point of cultural pride, we still produce about 1/4 of the greenhouse gasses PER CAPITA that the UK does. This is including the fact that most people I know drive cars everywhere (cars and gas are cheap-ish) because public transport sucks.
The difference?
People in the UK use a lot more electricity... I know this as an international student.
@@noelstar1456 it's quite well-established that agriculture is a major source of emissions, particularly in developing countries where sometime more than half of all emissions are due to agriculture. The real issue is that we can't cut back on agriculture the same way we can cut back on flights, or powering Christmas lights, which is why agriculture has a relatively bigger share in countries where consumption is lower. You can have a massive impact on agricultural emissions though, which is why it's worth having this discussion. For cows specifically, some studies show you can reduce emissions by around 2/5 if I remember correctly just by changing the way you cultivate the land the animals are on - and since cows are the single largest source of agricultural emissions, that matters a lot.
Sending all my love towards you and your sister ❤ as someone who's had issues with food/eating since I was like 15, I absolutely support that food choices should never be shamed. Educating people on what their food choices are causing... well, that's okay as long as it isn't uncalled for I believe. But don't judge others for their process.
Eg, I eat almost no animal products, except honey (I know the beekeeper and he's always willing to answer any questions) and eggs that I get from a friend who regularly takes in chicken that otherwise would be slaughtered. Yet I've had another vegan call me out for being selfish and an abuser and what not. They made me so upset, I didn't eat for 5 days. Which is most likely not what they intended. What I'm trying to say, I believe most people are trying as best they can, offering a helping hand to improve food choices is awesome but being rude about it won't get anyone in a better place.
@Lofty Radish Never trust an ex vegan. You should be ashamed of yourself, using a loved one's tragic near death experience to justify violence against other sentient beings. Gross.
Thanks soooo much Ann for doing a video on milk, that has helped clear up so many of the myths out there! Have a great weekend and hope your family are well.
So, I watched all three of these videos on milk to see what up and I found that combined they paint a very well rounded picture of milk. It makes sense the How to Cook That compared serving sizes because she focuses a lot on cooking and diet. It makes no sense to replace a cup of milk with enough beans to build a sandcastle, especially in a recipee. But I also loved how Food Theory pointed out how advertisement affects your view on milk. Also, if you've seen the Film Theory episode about transmutation in FMA, it makes sense why they'd use gram to gram comparison. For X amount of calcium how much kale or milk would you need? Brew's video was also a lot of fun! He went into mythologies that imply that milk one of the first things to exist in the universe at all (in some cases THE first even.). All three of them explained the Lactase Persistence mutation (which I never get sick of hearing about /genuine. Like I swear if I come across a video that is only about Lactase Persistence, I will watch the whole thing) I don't think this is evidence of plagiarism from any of these vids. Food Theory and Brew asked a very similar question so it makes sense that they brought up similar evidence.
And, storytime! in 2020, before I had ever seen any of these videos, I wanted to make a video about milk and I had planned for the thumbnail to be of a skeleton drinking milk from a glass. Like, I keep hearing milk is good for your bones so I wanted the human bones to be drinking milk. I honestly don't think any thumbnails were lowkey stolen. :)
TL;DR: I thoroughly enjoyed ALL four of these videos and appreciate the three takes on it. :)
In the first place, define a serving of broccoli and milk.
Not that you actually can, because "serving" is a stupid arbitrary metric that varies wildly by not only country, but by demographic. A serving of anything to a kid is bound to be lower than a serving of anything to an adult, and even amongst adults a serving to a sedentary adult is bound to be lower than a serving of anything to a very physically active adult.
Then a serving to a male is also bound to be different to a serving to a female, servings are different between blacks whites asians etc.
@@cat-vv9xb exactly! That’s why Food Theory compares gram to gram. Serving sizes can vary but a gram is a gram is a gram. But, when cooking serve size is important because the sizes vary on who’s eating it! Like you said the size can vary between adult male and a child. So when it comes to diet, you have to keep in mind who’s eating. You can’t give a kid 6 full cabbages. Both channels makes sense, both were right. I enjoyed all four vids. 😌
@@cat-vv9xb The only person who compared serving size though was Mat on his "debunk" video when looking at the broccoli.
@@irishhotshot6765 you need to watch the video again. She is showing the amount of milk you world need to consume for 300mg of calcium vs. how much kale you world need to consume for the same amount (300mg) of calcium. She’s comparing equal amounts of calcium, not serving sizes.
@@irishhotshot6765 no worries, but it’s the same with the broccoli. You watched the video, right? You saw the amount of broccoli she had in the plate, right? There’s no way that is one serving of broccoli. She’s comparing equal amounts of calcium and showing you how much you would need of each.
I'm lactose intolerant and the first (and only) time I tried taking lactase to see if it would help, I wound up in the hospital with an anaphylactic reaction. So I don't even drink lactose free milk because I'm afraid of the added lactase. I also hate soy milk, so I'm very glad for coffee shops starting to carry oat milk so I can enjoy a sugary latte without a horrible stomachache
I have seen soy milk curdle when put into too hot coffee 🤢
@@tatiana4050 I’ve seen oat milk curdle too 🥰
Just a question, since I don't know any people with a (strong) lactose intolerance. I understand that lactose intolerance was that you cannot digest milk sugar (lactose), did you end up with an allergic reaction because you're also allergic to lactose? Or was it something else in the lactase that you took that you reacted to?
@@debayeuxchats5607 the assumption at the hospital was that it was the lactase pills on their own. I took them right before eating pizza and had only taken a single bite before I was violently sick and then broke out in a rash and started having trouble breathing. Eating dairy on its own has unpleasant digestive symptoms for me but nothing life threatening like the lactase.
It's a good point to make that cows can eat things we cannot and that's why we initially used them for food AND it's also important to note that they actually primarily eat soy and corn. We primarily produce those crops exclusively for cow feed. These days, to raise cows means tapping into edible human food resources, and not this eco-friendly idea that they just recycle our scraps.
came here to say this!
Not all cows... (Sorry, had to :-))
Good point, but this varies quite a bit around the globe. That is part of why the environmental impacts are so hard to assess.
To give more context: ~80% of all soy and ~70% of world crops go to animal feed (primarily cows) according to Vox. It's the primary driver of Amazon deforestation.
There's also the part that commercial crops companies are throwing away perfectly good food away only because it doesn't look perfect.
That waste doesn't go into animals as it should.
Agreed, one thing about the animal vs plant based milk argument is the cows have to eat plants to make the milk, and plants just need to be plants XD
Some places that actually feed waste products from our food and products to cows would be better then growing new plants just to make milk, but the USA is not that place. Plants also don't make methane, which cows do, and methane is a very potent greenhouse gas.
Interesting fact, de values of the amount of calcium in for example kale and broccoli (arugula had more btw) differ quite a bit on different researches is due to the differences found in the vegetables itself. A broccoli produced on a calcium rich ground will have more calcium per 100 gram in it as a broccoli produced on a piece of ground with a low amount of calcium in the ground. The same goes, yet in lesser extent, for the diet and the race of the cow.
Also the amount of calcium needed per day varies per research. For a male between the 25 and 69 years the Dutch Food advise organization says they need 950 mg per day. Yet if you look in a lot of other countries this varies between the 700 and 1200 mg per day. I even came across an advise for 2500 mg per day. People, never do that. Consuming 2500 mg calcium or more per day will give you a significant higher risk of health issues like kidney stones and calcification of your blood vessels.
@@Psylor3 I saw that advise of 2500 mg calcium per day as well. I guess they forgot to mention it’s the absolute upper limit.
I was thinking the same, cheers 😁
@@Psylor3 that you for you reply and indeed, your right, that’s causing some discussions as well.
But then you have to think about the fact that it’s usually being boiled, so some of the nutrients might escape into the water, which is washed down the drain.
Your video + Food Theory's response are going in my lessons to show how scientists can debate and improve information. The way its supposed to be done :)
that's unfortunate. I find it more like how politicians debate.
Are we going to get an update from this channel I want to know if any opinions might have been changed?
@@tyler5271 It would probably be best for her if she didn't. MatPat's "defense" video is full of holes and doesn't contradict anything she said in her video. But he has a large audience and is good at manipulating them. So it's probably best for her if she just lets it die.
@@blanktom6049 yeah I noticed that as well he didn't address a lot of her other points he even cropped out some of her sentences as she was explaining something so she didn't even get to finish her point and then he acted like he did something even though he didn't let her finish and another major point is his whole by servings argument is really weird like why would you measure things in the way he's measuring it if we're talking about actual functional information and consumption that people can use the day-to-day basis obviously by servings is the way to go because they're going to use that information thinking they're getting enough calcium from a normal salad then they would from milk when clearly that's not the case but he's trying to make it sound like it is it's almost as he just can't admit that he kind of used a faulty method to measure calcium when talking about normal people and how they would use that information but can't admit to it mainly cuz he's never been the type to take criticism well
@@blanktom6049 Because it wasn't meant to contradict her at all? He says multiple times in the video that he is not discrediting or contradicting her, and even says on multiple occasions that she is correct in what she says. Just because he didn't whine about it or start a flame war doesn't mean he failed in his response. As for your claim that his video is "full of holes," I think you should put your money where your mouth is and explain exactly how it is full of holes with links to credible sources that you actually researched. But knowing the internet, you won't and basically just prove that you're just an idiot, which would be equally as hilarious to see as you finding out the truth and trying to spin a lie anyway. Then there is your claim that he manipulates his audience, which I would also like to know exactly how he manipulates his audience considering he has never once done that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a chance to explain exactly how he manipulates people, again, with links to where you researched the information.
In the end, all you have to do is definitely prove what you clearly "know" to be the truth, so it really shouldn't be that hard, right?
Full fat milk is only 2-2.5g saturated fat / 100ml (semi is about 1g / 100ml). As long as you aren't drinking a litre or more a day, the small amount you have in a coffee or tea is hardly worth worrying over. Plus removing the fat also reduces some of the vitamins as well (as they are bonded to the fat). NileRed has a video on what is in milk and in it he explains which are removed (and may have to be added back in).
If your daily intake of saturated fat is only from 100ml of full fat milk, then it should be fine. Recommended intake for saturated fat is 10g a day in Australia pretty sure. It's just that if you drink full cream milk and spread butter on your toast and have some kind of meat in a day, the chances are, you're exceeding the recommended intake. Also I don't think Ann is recommending to remove fat from diet, just saturated fat. Unsaturated fat (olive oil, fish oil etc.) is considered a good source of fat.
@Punkrock Noir milk can't be made without pregnancy
These vitamins are usually added back in low fat milk, there is not a problem in choosing that option.
@@SunsetEnvy actually, it can, but for this, you need to treat the cow with love and respect. They can produce milk by fiscal stimulations
@@kasumia7090 saturated fat isn’t bad for you. False outdated science
This is the type of content we need, thank you for always doing extensive research rather than just click-baity methods to get views.👍🏼
I appreciate that!
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@@HowToCookThat hahahaha the irony
Lactose intolerant here:, Hempseed milk was the best tasting milk alternative I've found so far. Same sweetness level as milk without any weird tastes so it worked well in cereal and drinks. It's super hard to find and I think the sole manufacturer went out of business in my country.
Oat milk is the runner up but not nearly as good. Soy and almond are usually quite bad or have more sugar than a bottle of coke!
What about lactose free and lactase infused milk?
now they have lactose free milk... it's just putting the enzymes into the milk and there you goooooo
@@scarlett285 that's the same thing, they just call it lactose free for the masses. They don't actually "remove" the lactose. They just put the nezyme in
@@Xia-hu is it sweeter then? It has enzymes right?
@@DD-kc6hg it tastes a little sweeter.
I am a huge fan of Food Theory. I actually learned of your channel as a result of a reaction to this video :). He took your debunk like a champ and fixed things unlike so many others I have seen you react to since then. Great job :)
I like how Ann has genuinely made a valid point from many perspectives on various issues. It feels like a proper discussion.
I think she showed her bias. The EPA in the USA has published numbers on carbon emissions of agriculture. Cattle alone contribute to 1/4 of emissions just from methane alone not accounting for any other emission. Like she just brought up water... I don't think water use is the defining characteristic for pollution.
I still drink milk but it's really no contest as to what is ecologically worse. Animal milk by a landslide is worse for the environment. Everything you read will be biased, especially a UA-camr giving their thoughts on the matter. However you can see just by her data selection it's clear she was trying to craft a specific message.
@@canifold She only talked about water usage as an example since to calculate what's better for the environment you would have to take in a ton of different factors. Gas emission is also one of those factors.
@@canifold She used it as a point of comparisson to show that this information can be affected by the different points we compare them to. For example, I can compare cow's milk and almond milk and say "THIS ALMOND MILK PRODUCED 5 TIMES THE AMOUNT OF EMISSIONS THAT THE COW MILK DID! DO NOT CONSUME ALMOND MILK!". What I don't tell you is that I got my cow milk from a local farmer, who milks the cow himself, transports it by truck and is put in a glass container, and I got my almond milk from Europe, from a big factory that needs a lot of energy and resources to produce it, then they have to transport it by boat and then by truck, on a plastic container. Am I lying then in my statement? No. But is it fair to do that comparisson? You decide.
Except it’s all lies.
@@canifold No, the one showing their bias here is you. Specifically with the erroneous statement that cattle farts = 1/4 of US greenhouse gases. That's the blurb pushed by an ignorant, or idiotic, pundit with their own agenda who lacks reading comprehension skills when they skimmed over the actual study. Agriculture accounts for 10% of ALL US greenhouse gases (My source, directly from epa.gov, 2019 study results).
The study, a dated one I'm sure, you're referring to states that cattle produce 1/4 of all METHANE emissions (a subsection of green house gas emissions). Methane itself only accounts for 10% of US greenhouse gas emissions (same source). 1/4 of 1/10 of greenhouse gases is 1/40th overall. That's 2.5%.
Oh, my gosh! When you brought the huge plate of kale out my jaw just dropped! I mean, I figured it was going to be harder to get the calcium in the vegs, but it was a great humorous moment!
Edit to say: thanks for all the research and knowledge your bring to your unbiased table! We love you Ann!
I love kale stew (especially with potatoes in it) but even that is too much kale for me...
Tap water has enough calcium in many countries. So it’s not a problem for many of us
@@bitny4916 🤢
@@bitny4916 I guess you mean hard water? I never heard about tap water being fortified with calcium.
People living in places with soft water (i.e. water with low mineral content) need calcium-rich food (plant-base or not) or supplement though.
On the other hand, once it's cooked it's onlya hand full.
I'm laughing my head off because Dave is going to have to eat all those beans and all that cabbage so it doesn't go to waste :).
I'm laughing because the rest of them is going to have to breathe in the result.
It's gonna be fart city in the Reardon household
Oh don't forget about the Kale! That is going to be one heck of a smoothie! 😂
You can actually cook some very tasty dishes with beans and cabbage.
When I read your comment it was 3am NY time&i laughed out loud beans cabbages&that horrid kale the other four will not be happy(unless I bet she donates to a food bank or when my fav science baker tries out new-there's a line to share 😊
There is no beef between these creators and they were both trying to inform their respective audiences. Ultimately you can see that they are both hardworking content creators when you look at their videos, and everyone makes mistakes. I'm choosing to stay subbed to both of them, they both make quality content
Nah you can tell that matpat was pissed at Anne especially with a lot of the passive aggressive jabs at the end
@@TasX yep thos videos take weeks to produce
There is beef, plenty of it from anne, she is still trying to say that mat was wrong
It’s not the fact of them having beef. You can create content without bashing someone else’s video. This is someone’s whole career and something like what this women did, with off hand comments even before she started her topic is not cool. There are plenty of videos they talk about milk without bashing someone else.
@@TasX Well it's kinda reasonable.
The amount of work and effort Anne puts into her videos is out of this world. Lets all show her some love and support and share these videos to friends and family
She's awesome mann, she never misses one shot, every video she does she puts so much work and effort it's actually impossible to say it's anything but excellent. Even if she makes a big mistake one day, honestly, I wouldn't mind... She has hit so many shots that she deserves to miss hahah
ANNE U NEED TO LIVE LONG ENOUGH SO I CAN RECOMMEND U TO MY GRANDCHILDREN 😂❤❤
That's so right!! Such a smart lady! ❤
She is amazing! Hope her family loves salads
She's a goddess of truth 💜 there's no measuring how much I've learned from her and been entertained every minute.
She’s got almost 5 million followers, she’s doing fine, quit acting like she’s struggling and at less than 50k subs or something.
I always get so excited when I see Ann's posted a new video, and I particularly enjoy the more scientific ones.
Hi Ann! This is a very helpful video especially for people with lactose intolerance like me. As well as educating people about the industry and nutrition about milk. I’ve been doing research myself to deal with what I have but it’s just overwhelming to read so much info with lots of jargon but the way you explain things is very digestible. Thank you so much! 😊😊😊
And other animals have different amounts of lactose and different caseins, so you can try goat or sheep. Or fermented products, not just cheese, but whey, kefir, ... My sis has good results with goat milk.
@@anezkajandova76 Thanks for that helpful tip, I’d have to check if sheep or goats milk is available in my country though. And hopefully it’s not too expensive either.
@@anezkajandova76 Or just buy lactose free milk, which is widely available these days.
Just drink oat milk
You should try out some different plant mills and see if you have a favourite! There’s a huge range these days, and it’s better for the cows :)
MatPat and Ann: **Trying to iron out misunderstandings**
Their fans: **Declares all out war**
its war timeeeee
ikr
Peace was never an option
How dare she
She started it and we are here to hold her for her responsibility
Another thing that never seems to get brought up, though it's more about meat than milk, is not every land in every country is arable. The whole point that animals can eat things people can't really is lost on people. I'm not a scientist, but it strikes me as hilariously naive people seem to assume every plant or crop easily grows everywhere on the planet sometimes when you know they must know better. Tropical jungles don't grow in Japan, people know that, but they seem to forget it when debating what people should be eating.
I always think this too! People complain about cattle taking up land, but beef cattle around here are grazed on rough hilly pasture that could never hold a crop. It takes food (grass) that humans can’t eat and converts it to something that we can. Dairy cattle also eat almond husks and other byproducts of the vegetable industry and then convert that into valuable fertilizer to replenish soil nutrition. But cows = bad gets more views…
Yes! This is one of the most offputting thing for me when it comes to plant based content creators. They are so confident in being environmentally friendly while almost all of their plants and fruits are imported in
While I agree that removing cows/other livestock doesn't mean we can just slap down a crop and call it a day, that land is also valuable to local animal and plant species. The more land we use for our own purposes, the less there is for those creatures and plants that maintain our local ecosystems.
Well, I actually AM an agricultural/animal scientist :) And I agree with you, many people don't have a good understanding of how agriculture as a whole works. I've had plenty of rather shocking discussions with friends who had the wildest imaginations about how the dairy industry or organic agriculture, for example, work.
One thing I would like to add: Yes, it is true that there are many regions on earth that can only grow grassland, no crops. Reasons can be soil conditions, climate, topography. The only way to make these regions productive is grazing animals on them. And that's what people have been doing for centuries. Think about Mongolia, for example. However, when we're talking about the dairy industry, we're not talking about places like Mongolia - we're talking about places like Europe, North America, Australia, for example. In those places the dairy farms mostly keep specialized dairy cattle (mostly Holstein Friesian or Jersey) which have been bred to have very high milk yields (up to 30 to 50 kg milk per day). Those milk yields are aboslutely not possible on pure grass diets. Grass-based feed makes up roughly a third of a dairy cow's ration. They are usually also fed with corn silage, and concentrate feedstuffs such as grain-based products or by-products such as soy meal. Those are obviously all grown on farmland that could also be used to grow human food. In the case of by-products, the land is used for both human and animal food, for example sugar beet: humans get the sugar, animals get the sugar beet pulp and molasses.
So, it is a valid point to say that farm land is used to feed dairy cows. I just don't believe that most people understand the context or the extent of it correctly. Generally speaking, agriculture is a lot more complicated than it's made out to be by some people making claims on the internet. There's a reason why agricultural sciences exist, after all. I get rather annoyed when people who are not skilled in this field think they now need to "educate" people about agriculture, animal husbandry, or nutrition. Another reason to love this channel - Ann actually knows what she's talking about, since she's a dietician and food scientist herself.
@@asteroid152jes Environmental protection and (extensive) agricultural land use do not have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, some ecosystems heavily depend on specific forms of agricultural use, for example heathlands, which need to be grazed by sheep (Heidschnucke) in order to not get overgrown by trees. I know it might sound counterintuitive, but farm animals, especially sheep and goats, but sometimes also cattle and horses, are often crucial elements of effective conservation of nature. That being said, there are of course other ecosystems that are better left alone, like for example the tropical rainforests.
You should also take into consideration whether a product is local or not. If you live in Poland it's probably more ecologically conscious to buy cow's milk from your local dairy than to buy almond milk that had to be imported from USA.
I read a study about this the other day and actually the environmental cost of raising animals for food is superior to the cost of transporting greens accross the world.
Animals eat tons of food (which is why the rainforest is being erased from the surface of the earth), drinks lots of water, pollute the air and we still have to transport them (wether living animals are being taken to the slaughterhouse, or dead animals are taken to wherever they'll be sold as meat), and that does not count the electricity needed to raise them, or the cost of all the animal products being transported accross the globe.
All in all, it is less polluting to be a vegan who eats avocados from another continent than to eat animals that were raised nearby.
I heard that in international shipping, trucking causes much more pollution than freighter ships. MIT says annually, trucks generate 1.8B tons of emissions while cargo ships generate 800M. That is 2.25 times! And in terms of distance, trucks generate 100 times more emission than ships for the same distance traveled. So although it is good conscious to buy local products, in reality it might not make that much of a difference. That being said, people who believes in every little bit counts shouldn't be deterred.
@@katesay1559 Bringing up avocados is really contraproductive here, since growing them comes with tons of problems.
They are grown in monoculture in many places, since the demand for them is so big. What leads to degrading the soil, what makes the plants more susceptible for diseases and pests, what makes the farmers use more pesticides, what degrades the soil even faster so they'll deforest nearby lands etc.
It's true that going vegan/vegetarian is ultimately the better choice, but if you still really want to make a difference, buy local. Imported high demand vegetables/fruit are still bad for the environment, just not that much.
@@katesay1559 It depends on where on earth you have your dairy farm. Alot of farms plant and harvest their own crops and whatever ain't used to feed humans the cows eat and no rainforest is touched. And no animals that dies on the farm is used as human food unless the farmer acctually slaughter the animal to prepare it as food.
And not to forget, dairy cows are used as much more than meat when their life ends such as soap, rubber and heparin.
@@katesay1559 Except cows animals don't eat forest, they eat grass. They also eat many of the by-products from the agricultural industry. Very few (if any) places are growing crops specifically to feed to dairy cows - for one thing that would make the milk extremely expensive. Might be a different story for meat cows, not sure, but definitely not for dairy. So we're not cutting down forest for dairy production - but guess what we are clear-cutting for? Crops.
As for water, it takes water to grow crops too. And there's so much lost to evaporation from fields. It's not like we'll save water by erasing cows and growing crops in their place.
Transportation is also required in both animal agriculture and plant agriculture, so no major difference there.
Conclusion: There isn't conclusive evidence that dairy-free or entirely vegan are better for the environment than an omnivorous and/or dairy-inclusive one. You know, kind of what Ann said in this video. You did watch it, didn't you?
Thanks so much for delving into this topic! As an environmentalist, I feel like such a buzzkill when talking about the plant vs. animal milk environmental impacts because it IS so complicated and there are so many factors that it's very difficult to quantify. The biggest thing we can do is push for more sustainable practices on both sides of the field--asking for better policies regarding recycling and waste, and even cooperating with other industries to minimize waste as much as possible. One industry's waste CAN be another industry's treasure.
Can you tell me an example of that last sentence? I'm genuinely curious
@@frostincubus4045 In the video Ann mentions how the husks of many of the plants used to produce plant milk are used afterward as feed for animals. Another example would be organic produce using manure from the meat and dairy industry.
Less food waste in general would go at least some way to making agriculture more environmentally friendly. Even that is a complex issue, though, with the way the grocery industry works.
@@AnxiousGary This part really surprised me, because I never saw anyone mentioning that the husks of the plants are tecnically wasted material. Everytime I see this debate is always pointing for the worst parts of the dairy made by cow and never explaining that the plant base milk also have a different set of problems too. It's always bias.
@@barbaradesigns1774 Ann's biased too. You're biased. We're all biased.
Honestly Ann I usually appreciate the care, thought and research you put into your videos which is why I followed you to begin with but I do not appreciate the irresponsible and inconsiderate jabs at Food Theory. This whole discussion has nothing to do with nor should have ever focused on something as silly as a thumbnail and non existent plagiarism and your misinformed view of the information that was given in the video.
You both are TECHNICALLY that's the key word; correct. You decided to act unjustly whereas Mat had reviewed this video and has remained civil and unaccusatory towards you. So, I hope you will review the review and apologize for being underhanded to Mat and crew. You can have your own opinions but that does not mean you have the right to slander someone in the process. You're an adult, behave as such.
I like how you just decided to comment this after Matpat response video instead when it first came out, it's like your being biased all of the sudden.
@@EmbarrassedFrog6727 or they didn't know about about situation until the video
Could you timestamp the jabs? I'm watching her video 2nd time in the row and the only part I noticed that could be considered underhanded is the timestamp thing - which I wouldn't say she focused on.
@@EmbarrassedFrog6727 matpat provided evidence math and did it all in a respectful way while this women just took underhanded jabs and manipulated the video to her advantage
@@starwatch76prime98 the hell you talking about? My comment got nothing to do about this, I just said that oc just suddenly decided to comment after matpat video even tho oc said that they been watching Ann for long time, if they been watching for a long time they should have known this by now, and should have commented before matpat video to comment this, that's why I said is as if your doing this for attention because you know lot's of people will do the same.
This was super helpful! I’ve seen so much discourse about plant milk vs dairy milk that it can be a bit overwhelming. This was a great breakdown, thank you for making this!!
Anne, you're amazing. People make a lot of claims without much evidence. It is refreshing to see someone actually do the hard work of figuring out the details like you do.
There wasn’t much evidence in this video. At best it was a glancing summary of some of the issues.
Everything she said is a LIE.
@@k8lynmae good to know your iq is lower than a sunfish
*Current evidence disproves almost everything she shared in this vid! Pay attention to news OUTSIDE of YT personalities & educate yourself. Skim/reduced fat milk spikes your insulin levels... type 2 diabetes? here you go... another victim of a 50 year old smear campaign! FAT ISNT MAKING YOU FAT! IT ISNT CAUSING INFLAMMATION. IT DOESNT SPIKE YOUR INSULIN LEVELS OR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS & set you up for pre-diabetes/type 2! IT'S 2022... EDUCATE YOURSELVES! TIMES HAVE CHANGED!*
@@kazmagnus7858 Hey! Sunfish don't deserve to be compared with people like that! :(
Thank you so much discussing this in a clear and unbiased way and thank you for talking about the difference between allergies and intolerance's. I was allergic to milk protein as a baby and thus lived on soy milk as a kid, then I grew out of the allergy at age 9. Trying things like cheese and ice cream was a revelation! I have an anaphylactic allergy to all nuts and nut products which was a problem when at 19 I became lactose intolerant because the popularity and prevalence of nut-milks has been on the rise the last decade plus and now they're everywhere. I've literally never had a fancy coffee drink because Starbucks, Tim Horton's etc aren't clean or careful with their equipment and everything is contaminated.
Many lactose-intolerant people here recommend taking lactase tablet/pill. Otherwise you could try finding the amount of milk that could still be comfortably consumed; lactose intolerance isn't an all-or-nothing condition therefore some people could still consume a bit of milk products without upsetting their stomach.
*Edit:* lactase could cause allergic reaction so if you have the history of milk allergy, you might want to consult your doctor before taking lactase tabs.
@@OrdinaryEXP I drink lactose free milk and use lactase tablets as needed for foods with dairy in them. The main point I was making in my comment is that a peanut/tree nut allergy is the most common food allergy in the world but so many businesses replace dairy with a nut milk. It's a huge problem for a lot of people and Ann is first time I've heard anyone mention it.
I’m sorry that these widespread coffee places are not careful with their equipment. Allergies/Intolerances are terrible to work with, and it would be nice if companies would make things easier.
@@OrdinaryEXP Some of those dairy products people can still eat even if they're lactose intolerant are because there's very little lactose in them; the lactose feeds the cultures that cause the fermentation process in things like yogurts, hard aged cheeses, & -to some degree- kefir making them naturally more similar to the lactose-free products, though obviously there's going to be variance in just how much lactose is left over from batch to batch with things things because nature isn't precisely repeatable
It's also worth noting that - if you take it slow - eating yogurt with live cultures can reduce the severity of your lactose intolerance as it helps (re)populate your gut bacteria with those good good lactobacillus (which is why you might hear about someone being told to eat probiotic yogurt after a round of strong antibiotics so they won't *become* lactose intolerant, since antibiotics can't discriminate helpful bacteria from harmful)
I have a very similar problem with smoothies due to fruit & veg allergies I cannot go out to a smoothie store and get a smoothie with my friends. So what I have found is when I make it at home I can pick and choose my fruits & veg that I am not allergic to. So maybe you could try things like coconut milk which is actually not a nut or you could possibly even try goats milk. I have a friend whom is lactose anaphylactic BUT she can drink milk from goats. So you may want to get allergy tested for alternative types of “milk” / “nut” products. Also I make my own lattes at home because I prefer a certain type of milk product in my drink as well, that they do not carry at Starbucks( it’s also a lot less expensive).
I just imagine the channel creator waking up the next day after a nice relaxing weekend and suddenly finding a bunch of notifications for comments on this specific video after the food theory response video. XD
All the toddlers are mad that they both where talking about differences in measurements
And the adults that don’t appreciate someone accusing another creator of misinformation by using one sentence from a 15 minute video, then changing what was said to suit her narrative
@@jtyler9130 says the toddler
@@benjaminlingle3493 dont call people toddlers, and you spelt were as where just so you know
Also JTyler91 was also wrong in the fact that he unfairly pointed out, where both got stuff wrong
In India most people get milk straight from the dairy farms in milk cans and other steel containers , and also India has lots of small milk farms in almost every little corner of the country so it is more convenient for the environment , consumers and sellers because they don't need all the water , electricity , machinery and stuffs .💙
Indian cows magically consume less water and feed?? WOW
But in India dairy farmers also inject cows with injections to make them produce more milk
I've always wondered about the dairy industry in India because in Hindu cows are very special. Thanks for bit of information. Here in Kentucky I use to cry to my grandpa cause he had a small dairy farm and the milking machinery looked like it hurt the cows. He treated his small group well but at 7, it was loud and scary looking.
@@Shad0wBl0wer You actually believe they meant water as in "water that cows drink"?? LOL
@@Shad0wBl0wer ? water cows drink is a tiny portion of the water that is used by many dairies. but water consumption massively varies according to set up of the dairy as well. from what i understand many Indian cows are kept free range even in cities so there would be less need for the dairy farmer to hose everything down constantly. The cattle also forage and can eat vegetable scraps from household garbage and markets and even newspaper and cardboard that was discarded (and yes, cattle, or rather their gut bacteria, can get nutrition from paper and cardboard) reducing the amount of animal feed necessary. It's a very efficient system, the only real problem is the risk of traffic accidents to the cows and the fact they will leave manure everywhere.
My 5 month old mixed fed daughter has been diagnosed with cow's milk protein allergy (with anaphylaxis symptoms) and so I've had to cut dairy and soy from my diet to keep breastfeeding her, and my goodness dairy is in so much. I hope people who want to cut dairy for animal welfare/environmental reasons (without going vegan) know just how much food they'll have to cut out of their diet.
Thank you so much for making this video, and showing all of the pros and cons, especially in relation to sourcing calcium from vegetables!!!
I'm lactose intolerant, I feel the pain. I've only recently realised it was dairy making me sick and the amount of food I've had to cut out is Insane
@@hotsoup1339 think of it as an opportunity to fill your diet with lots of new things instead! There's so many great fruit and veg out there. Best of luck :)
@@kieren899 Honestly thats the other half of the problem: I'm autistic, with sensory processing issues. I've always had problems with eating fruit and vegetables because of the way they feel on my mouth. Its a lot of experimenting to find a way I could eat common foods in a different way.
I have had to cut out cow dairy (with the exception of butter) because of hormone imbalances and digestion distress. I used to indulge in almond milk, then I became intolerant to nuts. Goat's milk seems to work best right now, as I have no effects.
@@laurenhodges6411 Almond is not a nut but a seed, have you tested that you are intolerant to almond too?
I’m dairy intolerant (lactose isn’t the only thing that can affect you, some people have an intolerance to all parts of dairy) so I don’t have a choice even if I wanted to drink regular milk, but it’s cool to know the pros and cons from someone who is actually being realistic compared to just saying, “oh this food has more calcium than milk!” Or “just stop having milk or cream in your coffee!” You actually show us proper comparisons and don’t just trust the first line that google says.
Same, I was intolerant to the proteins in milk as a baby to the point that I would quite literally die if I drank it. My parents found out because I kept having blood in my diapers. Eventually my body became more able to process it. When I was younger I couldn’t drink 2 cups without severe stomach issues, and even 2 was pushing it. Now I don’t actually know what the limit is, but I think it’s more than two now.
I was born premature but I also have cerebral palsy (abnormal brain development and / or brain damage before/during birth) and I have no idea which if any of those caused it.
I’m also tannin intolerant (I realised it was tannin specifically because I was dying paper with earl grey tea and I broke out in hives - a reaction I’ve only had previously with strawberries. Lo and behold, tannin, which also explained why bananas make me itchy as they have a bit of tannin).
I don’t know how I managed to get on this tangent, but TL;DR, I am also intolerant of “other milk ingredients,” specifically the proteins
Me too. I'm also intolerant to eggs, so I always just say I'm vegan because most people know then what I have to avoid. I wasn't born early and have no developmental disorders (to my knowledge), so I don't think that that is a factor. We were just unlucky I think. Do you guys get jealous of people too that can just eat whatever they want without any consequences (besides getting fat)?
I was told as a child that I'm lactose intolerant but lactose free products and products low in lactose still cause same problems so I guess I could actually just be dairy intolerant. I get stomach aches, bloating, nausea and overproduction of mucus. But then again the doctor said I might have IBS but I'm 22 so I have no idea 😂😂😂
Matpat did a video responding to this one, and he showed all of his research and where he got these conclusions. He also pointed out that the amount of kale shown can be condensed down into a glass the size of the glass of milk. The kale show has the largest part of it showing, the leaf. The other side of that plate would most likely look a lot less impressive comparatively. Plus the majority of the volume that you see is gaps, aka air. What gives kale the volume you see is the leaf, it holds its shape well when raw. If you where to reduce it in a broth, the amount becomes a lot less impressive.
Hi Ann. I am a big fan of your channel. When I saw this video I went and left a comment on MattPatts original video, since I am also a fan of his content, asking to elaborate/correct. His response has just come out, which seems to do a good job at clarifying a few things and if I might add he is very respectful to you in it.
Would you be able to comment on the validity of his new arguments against milk?
Hi Nick, Broccoli does not have as much calcium as milk whether you look at cooked / raw/ gram for gram / per serve / bioavailability. All of these calculations have milk coming out on top. To get it the other way around in the response video he starts with broccoli having 180mg of calcium/100g which is 4x what the usda data base says for broccoli. He seems to use a misdirection by discussing varying food manufacturers serving sizes on food labels - which while important in other comparisons is not relevant here. When you simply look at how much of this food do I need to eat to get the calcium - the "serve size" is the amount on the plate - nothing to do with food labels. Will you realistically eat that much kale in a day? Or that many beans? If so - great it is a viable source of calcium for you. If not choose a milk or milk alternative. It really isn't that complicated.
@@HowToCookThat The amount of food on a plate varies, this would be a terrible way to measure or compare anything.
@@HowToCookThat That's not quite fair - he showed his source, UCSF, and if you go on their website, that's the exact number he used. Calling any of this misdirection is grossly mischaracterizing how he went about discussing this. I thought he was fair to you, and I don't think you're showing the same consideration in these comments.
@@HowToCookThat oh wow. So did you watch his response video?
@@HowToCookThat accusing him of stealing thumbnails then accusing him of intentionally misleading his viewers smh this seems pretty bad faith
This is brilliant. I will recommend it to my patients to watch. I don’t know what it’s like in Australia but in the UK we are having a resurgence of rickets in children (kids don’t play outside much anymore and the diets aren’t brilliant) and I think lack of parent education and support is really contributing to this. It’s very hard to educate and entertain at the same time.
cant see anything on rickets in Australia increasing but you dont have to be outside as long in Australia to get enough vitamin D compared to the uk, especially in summer or all year round if your up north. in summer we usually have uv indexes in the extreme ranges for more southern areas and all year round for northern areas
i have seen talk on an increase in vitamin D deficiencies in adults and some speculation that some of the big campaign on skin cancer prevention might be contributing to this as well as more people working in offices
I have been told by my health professionals not to put sunscreen on before going into the sun but 20 mins after because I am chronically vit D deficient
@@felicitygee381 That's weird. For those with such severe problems, they just get prescribed supplements in my experience, since that tiny bit of sun is not going to do anything beyond increasing skin cancer risk for people that have such a major vitamin D issue
Interesting to know about the rickets resurgence. I’ve got a 6 month old so I want to get him set up right with a balanced diet from the point of weaning but both me and him take vitamin d supplements
@@raerohan4241 there are sweet spots of getting your vitamin D before you start getting sun damage it depends on how much melanin you have and how strong the uvs are
Thank you for this! as a lactose intolerant person, at first i kind of took that as, "dairy is bad" and there are so many resources which confirmed that bias. I have loosened that mentality before i watched this but your educational videos have been so helpful!
I'm lactose intolerant but I drink milk because Lactase is a god-send!
One of the things that I find very funny about lactose intolerance is that in Finland, there's a HUGE amount of lactose-free products. Finland is also one of the countries with the highest lactose tolerance. But they drink/consume so much dairy that adults with slightly less lactose tolerance than they used to have end up having tummy aches, and think they're lactose intolerant. So rather than consume less dairy, they just...make everything lactose free.
I'm Australian and I do feel a bit like I'm about to die if I drink like, a whole milkshake, but milk in my tea is fine. So I know that while I have less lactose tolerance than I did as a little kid, I'm hardly lactose intolerant.
I'm definitely glad that you present us with in depth and easy to understand information. I personally love MatPat and his theorist brand, but it's not always apparent that it's more entertainment than anything else.
yeah, the food theories I enjoy are the ridiculous ones that are just fun to watch, not the ones that suggest alternatives/diet stuff. Like the christmas tree ones, or the burger stacking one, just ones that mean nothing but are fun.
Little about this was in-depth.
@@symetryrtemys2101 please explain what was not in-depth?
@@nikkiewhite476 I'm gonna call it, they're gonna say this video is misinformed and come up with some of the stuff Ann debunked in the intro and say it's true.
@@symetryrtemys2101 let me guess, you work for 5 min crafts/so yummy? 🤥
It's refreshing to watch a video that present both products equally, presents the issues and concerns objectively, without taking sides or trying to convince you to chose one over the other.
I think an important thing to mention for fat vs skim milk is also the level of satiety it gives. Full fat milk will fill you up for longer in comparison to skim due to the higher fat, and studies have found that drinking full fat milk is not correlated to fat gain, in part due to the satiety factor! Fantastic video otherwise, and as a current food science student I've been finding issue with a couple of Food theory's videos as he'll compare nutrients but won't say based on what (calories vs gram) and he doesn't mention how it's a lot easier to eat a larger amount of calories from meat or milk in comparison to vegetable thus making it easier to get in those nutrients while not needing to eat as much volume wise .
Yeah that was the little sticking point for me. Fat has been demonized to heck and back and blamed for heart disease and increasing obesity rates, but we're just now realizing that the issue might've actually been with other highly processed food and too much sugar.
@@jessip8654 might've been ?
It still is, it always has been. But why does it matter ? We can eat what we want and so can everyone else. They won't ever ban full fat products.
the protein comparison when it comes to meat/eggs vs various vegs is also always in calories rather than grams which makes some vegs look like they contain immense amounts of protein but when you actually look into it, you find out that, just like with the calcium in milk vs beans or greens, you'd need to eat insane portions of whatever is being shown as the non animal product option.
and that's with the raw thing, so not even accounting for the nutrition loss from cooking which is often greater in plants than in animal stuff.
I actually read a few articles that said recent studies have shown a link between whole milk and increased weight *loss*, a trend that was not replicated with lower fat milks.
@@candyman9635 the problem is the narratives that are pushed. If you tell everyone fat is bad and will kill them people stop eating it, and eat low fat high sugar alternatives instead, which causes issues itself. Also it isn't as simple as "eating what you want," food propaganda is a thing. For example Coca cola finds ways to entrench itself in your childhood so it can connect itself to your happy, nostalgic memories, (think drinking it at the movie theater or at baseball games) and make you a forever customer as you connect happiness and cola subconsciously.
I love seeing your videos pop up every second friday it just makes my week, hope you and everyone is doing great 🤍
thanks Lucy
Excellent commentary, Ann. Thank you. In British Columbia, we now have to recycle all of our milk containers both plastic and the paper waxed cartons. We have extensive recycling programs in my province. Also in Canada there's no antibiotics and no growth hormone in our cow's milk and dairy products. I'm very grateful for that. I've been drinking cow's milk for over 50 years. For me, it's a necessity. I have two digestive diseases, Malabsorption Syndrome and EPI. I'm deficient in most nutrients, particularly Phosphorus, even though I eat four servings of dairy a day and take supplements both prescription and over the counter. Plants are much more difficult for me to digest and absorb the nutrients from them because of my diseases and because the amount that you have to consume as you pointed out in your video. Bioavailability is a key factor not just for me but for everybody. Thanks again. 💜✌️
If I may ask, how do you get aroud that? Juicing?
@@mugglesarecooltoo I have to take prescription strength digestive enzymes before every meal and snack. They are pigs' pancreases made into capsules. And to answer your question, I don't juice because I feel there's too much nutrients lost, when you don't eat the outside of the vegetables and fruit as well as lack of fiber. I just eat what I can and hope for the best. I also take a lot of Imodium everyday to help with the malabsorption. It helps slow down my digestive tract. Thanks for asking.
As a guy with multiple dietary restrictions, I honestly watched the Food Theorist Milk videos yours and his response. I honesty drink Kale shakes that have a greater calcium content than a glass of milk. I found the fact that you did implicate that he misinformed a little disheartening and dishonest. He did a wonderful job finding away to compare both equally, and the fact he did go through to comment and react personally to your statements and clarify what his video meant. He did state that when you take his factually correct evidence out of context, it would seem in fact incorrect.
But my two cents set aside I do appreciate you both talking about the alternatives.
That's actually really interesting about the packaging! I'll have to look into that more, I honestly assumed that the boxes were worse because they don't seem like they can be easily recycled. But then of course, rarely is plastic recycled anyway so... I used to be lucky enough to have my milk delivered every 2 weeks and it came in glass containers that were reused every time. Unfortunately, I don't have access to that anymore.
They can be recycled in some areas actually! Where I live they can be but we also have really good recycling facilities so they probably aren't in your area.
I'm able to recycle Tetrapaks in my area too! If your area doesn't offer tetrapak recycling, contact your municipal waste services and request they start tetrapak recycling.
We don't have the cardboard packaging for most sizes of milk in TN. I only see it for small/individual portion packages.
Glass bottles come out the worst of the lot in environmental studies.
@@Telcomvic Not sure about TN, but in CA we usually have quart and half-gallon cardboard containers in the dairy section for most of the milk and milk-like products that are either on higher racks above the plastic gallon-size jugs or on separate racks near the coffee creamers. The smaller individual serving portions are usually nearby as well.
The containers presented in the video are different though. Those aren't in the refrigerated section, as they are shelf-safe products (refrigerate after opening) and are typically only available in quart size packages. Different stores keep them on different aisles. I've seen them in the baking aisle near the condensed milk, on the coffee/tea aisle near the powdered creamers, on the cereal aisle usually at the end of the row, and on the juice aisle again at the end of the row. The juice aisle will also often have shelf-safe multipacks of the individual containers, though usually only the chocolate milk is sold in the multipack unless you are at a big box store like Costco.
Well researched (as always from Ann)! Personally, I've switched to oat milk, shall we say, out of a sense of respect to the noses around me. (But, since most cheeses have had at least some of their lactose fermented, I can enjoy them with fewer repercussions.)
I use soy (fortified) because others have very little protein. You would think milk made from protein rich nuts would have protein but nah. But my diet is pretty bad either way.
Depending on what I use it for, I'll either use lactose-free cow's milk or almond milk. Switching my protein powder from whey to egg white has also been helpful.
well reserched? xD she did no research at all haha
One of the only creators I've ever watched where I don't feel obligated to fact check what you tell your following. Don't accept any shady sponsorships and break that trust; that's what I think a lot if people love about your channel. Hard to be honest in a space where deception is so profitable.
Well you should start face checking as her comments were misleading.
A lot of experts are questioning the USDA recommendations on dairy. I don’t necessarily believe they are a 100% accurate source
Thank you so much, Ann! I'm so glad somebody's here to dispel these misconceptions. I'm a med student (and a die-hard milk enjoyer) and there's not a single thing missing from this video! I always knew you vere a very intelligent person and a great food-scientist, but the fact you mentioned oxalate and the complex they form with calcium is impressive and gives the whole picture. Beans also have a molecule called "phyoagglutinine" that makes them poisonous to eat rawy (They force non-stem cells to divide, which can 'cause cancers) and though this molecule theoretically breaks down with cooking, but a dietetician would NEVER recommend eating more than a pound of beans a day. So not only is eating all that difficult, it can be dangerous aswell. Anyways, thank you for this video, I love your videos!
I was curious by the topic of Pasteurizing and the way our bodies absorb things in the normal milk wasn’t discussed in a little more detail. Maybe just wasn’t really relevant to the video but I find that topic is a very important one as well
"and there's not a single thing missing from this video! " Aside from methane, water pollution, microbial antibiotic resistance.... ?
Great video! I really like plant milk, especially oat milk, but here where I live it’s really expensive. It costs twice as much as regular milk, and other types of plant milk like almond milk are even more expensive. I feel bad for calves being separated from their mothers, but I’m currently not in the right position financially to do anything against it.
Have you considered making your own oat milk? I started doing that to save money in our home, and it's been quite successful.
Yes have you noticed that eating healthier is more expensive I don't care what people say but Organics is more expensive than regular programming. Anything on the alternative Fringe is always more expensive
There's no price you can put on your ethics. We need to stop supporting industries that abuse animals. ❤️
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever Unforunetly, I don't think buying one bottle of milk or not makes that much of a difference to the industry. You can choose not to give money to them, but you aren't changing anything.
@@NoInjusticeLastsForever when I have better job then yeah but now I'd rather have money to pay my bills
Your channel is so great, it really feels like this is one of the only places I can go to get unbiased and comprehensive info about food health, including even what is happening at the molecular level. Food and health is such a touchy topic, and it feels like it's hard to get nuanced and unbiased information. Thank you for covering these topics.
Wow your thumbnail looks crazy similar to Dr. Sten Ekberg's video.....
I love how you go into detail with whatever you're discussing.
I've been on a lot of Prednisone off and on for years. It can turn your bones into Swiss cheese because it decreases the absorption of calcium.
I was on 80 mg of Prednisone one time. And, it took quite a while to wean off.
And, that much for that long can cause a lot of bone problems.
So, in a week, I drank 3 gallons of 1% milk, ate 1 pound of cheese, ate yogurt and cottage cheese. Anything with a good source of calcium.
I did this the whole time I was on the med.
My GI wanted me to do a bone density test. She was concerned about what the steroids were doing to my bones.
My results: my bones were perfectly fine. Not a scratch.
I love regular moo juice.
I won't stop drinking it.🥛🥛
And, I won't be shamed for doing so.
Soy milk is nasty. And, too much soy is not healthy.
And, the other milks like almond milk, have too many ingredients.
When I was 10 my doctor found out that my body can't process unfermented milk products well. This was in 2005 and at least where I live there weren't many alternatives just like three brands of soy milk, that I didn't like. I ended up not eating any milk products aside from joghurt and goat/sheep cheese for a couple of months, before I could slowly introduce them back to my body. Now I have a certain limit I can eat a day, otherwise my tonsils and lymph nodes swell up.
In general I try to reduce my intake of animal products for environmental reasons. I also avoid buying a surplus of food and rarely end up with anything that has to be thrown away.
@Racconja You're so brave for sharing your story. Thank you for being an animal abuse sympathizer, they are the true heroes.
The way you compared the amount of calcium in a glass of milk as against the huge amounts of cabbage and kidney beans was hilarious
The best Ann Reardon moment ever is where she piled on that cabbage and dropped the mic lol
I really appreciate a thoroughly researched non-bias breakdown of something that you wouldn't think gets bogged down by a lot of misinformation.
This is the standard I expect from all content creators!
Oddly enough, I just happen to be watching this after having just watched a video by Nate the Hoof Guy. He's so good with his dairy cow clients and takes great care of their hooves, while explaining everything so well.
I would be interested in knowing how raising goats for milk compares to cows.
Thanks for being so educational yet, so easy to comprehend. Well done.
Goats are bouncier and IIRC can eat a lot more different types of plant debris than cows and thrive on it. Even different cow breeds radically vary in how much milk they produce though. The creatures we later domesticated into cows don't even produce a tenth as much milk as the highest producing modern milk cows do. I don't know how big the difference is between original goats and domesticated milk goats, but probably not as big difference.
(Nate the Hoof Guy's channel is so great, always fun to see people mention it)
@@Call-me-Al - sorry, not up on all the latest abbreviations. What is IIRC, please?
And, yes, it is fun to see other people mention one the channels that you follow in their comments on another site. 😊
@@cmtippens9209 "If I Recall Correctly", sorry about that, bad old habit.
@@Call-me-Al - thanks for the knowledge, and no worries. 🤙
Also something for people in the comments to consider- I live in a farm town with a couple of small dairy farms, and it's rough.
A lot of small dairies try to be ethical and/or sustainable and they're getting stomped on by the larger players in the dairy industry. Switching away from milk entirely also hurts them, and they're already doing poorly.
I've heard about people selling their herds even though the love their cows, losing their farms and their whole career/livelihood, and sometimes even taking their own lives out of sheer desperation. One of my mom's friends is a dairy farmer and she said that during the worst times, the people picking up the milk to take it to stores would drop off s**cide prevention pamphlets when they came for the milk.
Obviously not everyone has the option to buy from small, ethical, and sustainable farms, because of money, location, or even lack of time to do research. And it's not your job, reader, to solve the predicament of every person whose struggle you're aware of. There's too many struggles, even if you run yourself ragged things will slip through the cracks. But if you have the resources to support your local farms, please do so!
This comment got a bit emotional, but I hope it successfully showed a few people a new perspective!
I source my milk, eggs and cheese in a small family-run farm but I know not everyone is lucky enough to do so.
Industries are honestly killing small farms. Prices are simply fuc**d up.
*I did today my weekly purchase. I will add regular supermarket price for comparison.
# 1 litre of milk $30 ($100 or more in a store)
# 1 kilo of cheese for Sandwichs and stuff like that $350 ($600 or more)
# 36 eggs $250 ($750)
The s**cide rate for farmers is absolutely tragic, I've read statistics that it's higher than any other profession in most areas. There really does need to be more done about it. State governments are starting to step up a bit but there's definitely more work needed.
Yeah I love my economic slaves too, I really love them especially if they stop producing, I wouldn't kill them or anything, yeah I love slaves
Consumers who want to be responsible and ethical should not purchase a product that requires rape, violence and cruelty to produce in the first place. One dairy being slightly less cruel than another dairy does not matter in absolute terms.
@@Barnaclebeard yes. And many people forget that the dairy industry is directly linked to the meat industry where all the cows who aren't economically sustainable anymore go to get murdered, not to mention their kids which are stripped away from them so that us humans can drink their calf food
I'm so happy to learn about this from a food scientist's perspective, Ann
@qley Dairy farmers sent the animals they claim to care so much about to slaughterhouses when their bodies are no longer profitable, dairy farmers don't care about anything but profit. Keep lying to yourself.
@@fruitsalad7611 you beat me to it. Can I mention the separation of calves from mothers?!
@@symetryrtemys2101 yes
lol
Forcibly impregnating any life form and then tearing the baby away from its mother continuously throughout their entire life is not ethical. But sure keep drinking the dairy industry koolaid.
Thanks Ann! This is so informative. Really opens your mind to so many things.. I wish you were my science teacher :)
That is a big wish, though. Most science teachers don't have a degree in food science.
I do a, however, acknowledge she'd be a great teacher otherwise. She has a knack for digesting info and breaking it down, just for us laymen to understand.
Or maybe that was included in the degree. [Science is tough.] Luckily she's still here!
@@nodezsh Haha! Yes of course most people wouldn't be food scientists and teaching schools. But I think the learning here is questioning what's "normal" and then researching one's might to find if its right or there's a better way around it!
Very interesting video, I am really hoping for a part 2 with the nutritional side of plant based milks and "good" and "bad" fats. I've been drinking plant based milk for a long time due to intolerance and I'd like to know which option is the best for me. I'd also like to know more about hystamine levels because I know that soy tends to make allergic people flare up for example, while other milks don't. Cheers!
Problem is pasteurised milk, I've switched many to raw milk and they've had no issues now. Luckily in the UK we can get raw milk, butter and cheese but not always easily accessible. Also the best fats are saturated, heart disease is caused by inflammation from vegetable oils/carbs/ any sugars which causes an emergency response. Like a cut finger, cholesterol goes to the area. With an inflamed body, blood cholesterol goes high.
Veg oils are heat treated, pressed, bleached, rancid, oxidizes and full of omega 3 while being fed lab made fertiliser from fossil fuels and doused in pesticides and stuck in a plastic bottle. For this reason I use need dripping.
Also plant nutrition is wrapped in cellulose which we can't break down which is why a cow needs 4 stomachs and magic bacteria/enzymes. Fibre is also completely indigestible. Humans are the same digestive system as large cats, dogs, wolves etc.
@@bmc9504 no we don't have the same digestive system as dogs cats and other such obligate carnivores. Because we are not carnivores! Humans are omnivores, we eat all forms of food so therefore have the digestive system best suited to that diet.
I hope for the health of the people you have convinced to switch to raw dairy that it is microfiltered. The untold amounts of people that died of listeria and other bacteria associated with raw dairy before pasteurization was invented is still a good argument for pasteurization. Seriously why would you want to stop a practice that has helped prevent illness and death for over a century??
@@nikkiewhite476 we absolutely do! Humans have very short tracts, we cannot digest fibre nor plant nutrition wrapped which is wrapped in indigestible cellulose. If you want to destroy your gut, immune system and body then adopt a modern 90% vegan diet with 10% processed meat or go completely vegan and turn into a zombie.
@@nikkiewhite476 almost all foods and drink deaths are due to cooked food. Humans eat raw cheese and yogurt all the time without realising, cake batter is an example. Also muscle meat cannot cause Illness, only through bad practise during processing can it cause Illness. Pasteurization was necessary when people were in absolutely filthy conditions, 1 farmer could effect many. Never use to be the case.
@@bmc9504 muscle meat can not cause illness? What's about the bacteria on it or the parasites in it? You are deeply deluded and are a danger to yourself and others.
You should watch food theory's response to this vid, you put a lot of pressure on them over 2 sentences in their video and now they have to deal with a bunch of harassment when their video isn't even bad. Also, who cares about the thumbnail, that's just bringing up drama where there wasn't any. Who really keeps track of a thumbnail from another channel that was posted 2 YEARS ago? If even the creators of that channel don't mind - which they haven't indicated that they do because they haven't said anything, they why bring it up??? That's just pointing your fans and viewers at another channel to harass them. I have a lot of respect for you as a content creator and fully acknowledge and admire how much knowledge you have to share about all subjects, but you really should take responsibility here and take accountability for being irresponsible with your content as well. You pointed the finger at another content creator only to do the same thing.
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There are assholes in every fanbase, for sure. But absolutely, I'm seeing Ann's comment section vs Mat's, and (again there are assholes in both), I'm seeing a *lot* more jerks in Mat's from Ann's fanbase. I'm reading through here and the worst I see more often than not is "Saying X and X was irresponsible" vs Ann's people saying "You need to actually do your research, all your videos are full of lies".
Obviously there's a difference in humans here. lol
@@liamlowenthal8476 👀👀
Exactly. I don’t understand why she pointed out that the thumbnails are similar… it will just lead people to believe that Mat Pat plagiarised Drew’s thumbnail, and her anti-mat Pat supporters will have another reason to hate him
@@noitsholly 👀👀👀
here after mat's vid, tbf he and his team let some stuff through the cracks (good they admit that) but ngl it's a bit unjust how only a small fraction of their 14min vid got clipped. It rlly portrays them as a trashy, thoughtless channel when they really did have some good points.
It's just a youtube video. Stop trying to instigate a fight over dumb crap nobody cares about.
@@nanoglitch6693 Exactly why no one will fight over you.
@@nanoglitch6693 “ dumb crap no one cares about “ ??????? People obviously care if milk is good or not since we feed our children that and it’s used In everyday products ofc people care about it
@@paulsullivan649 "there's no sound, he just died!"
@@nanoglitch6693 oh poor kid instead of wanting to stop a fight you became part of it
I truly appreciate your unbiased, scientific approach to what is often an emotional topic for people. this is truly one of the best videos on this particular subject (cow's milk vs plant milk) that I've seen.
Hey, I’m seeing a lot of people being rude about the food theory thing, so just trying to be a bit nicer saying that MatPat just put out a response video on the food theory channel breaking down the points you made, and explaining some of his an his team’s thoughts around it (all of it in a respectful way, not bashing you like I’m seeing people in the comments doing).
I think it is really informative and well put together, and I do think that you should check it out!
I hope that whoever sees this has a wonderful morning/afternoon/night!
Also to all the people being rude/mean about it, please don’t, even if some of the things she did were unfair, it doesn’t deserve the amount of toxicity I was seeing when i first came to check out this video, and I also don’t think that anybody on the food theory channel would like the fact that people are immediately attacking this video (and Ann).
edit- A lot of people are saying a lot of things, and I just wanted to say that yes, I am aware that what Ann did wasn’t good, especially accusing food theory of plagiarizing another channel.
I also know that at this point, most of the toxicity has been drowned out by more calm responses.
The main point of my original comment was to calmly and respectfully inform (hopefully) Ann, and anyone else that saw my comment of the new video, as i wasn’t seeing much of that, just people judging and attacking.
I also still stand by the fact that the toxicity I was seeing was not called for in any way, there are much better ways to deal with the problems at hand that also benefit both sides much more than automatically attacking someone.
It benefits Ann, of course, because there are not people telling her to literally delete her channel, and it also benefits MatPat because a bunch of people attacking someone saying that they are fans is not a good look, and it also probably wouldn’t convince anyone to watch the response he made.
I am going to refrain from responding to anyone else unless it is a well thought out, serious point made, because I really don’t like getting into conflicts, and I don’t want any arguments breaking out out in the replies.
I hope whoever has read this knows that you are loved, and I hope you have a good rest of your life
Don't really see people "bashing" her as people are trying to stay calm and respectful, you have to ALSO understand that she did accuse MatPat of plagiarism in a video about misinformation of milk products? How does that fit in other than trying to throw dirt on other creators especially one of the more "seasoned" channels who do their due diligence in creating original content.
@@holyflanders924 when I first checked here, there were a bunch of super toxic comments, some even saying that Ann should just delete her channel and just being extremely mean, they’ve been mostly buried by other, calmer comments by this point
While I do agree that accusing Food Theory of plagiarism was uncalled for, my main point is that it still doesn’t deserve the amount of hate that I was seeing
hi! I appreciate your kind words in the comment, the world really needs more positive people spreading good vibes, especially around these sort of situation which can become quite... aggressive to say the least. Having said that, I just wanted to say that, while I can't say for certain, what she did to food theory doesn't seem like she meant to be "not rude" or "not disrespectful". Let me explain: She took a clip out of context, "debunking" something that wasn't even the main point of the video, accusing unnecesairly the channel of plagiarism, which obecjtively a bit of research woudl've shown that it wans't necessary at all. All of this to say that she gave the channel bad clout, without mentioning even the fact that most of the video food theory did was actually making the same points as her. This does seem... a bit unfair, don't you think? I'm sorry if I seemed to be rude or something, it wasn't my intention!
@@Gale-wy8of don’t worry, you aren’t rude at all, and thank you, I do think I could have worded it a bit better and i think i will edit my comment. I do think that some of the things that were done were unfair, and i also think it doesnt deserve the immediate backlash it got (and im starting to repeat myself a bit, sorry! i’m just not sure how to reword it the way i want to) but yeah, thank you for being so kind!
@@holyflanders924 check recent comments
A downside to some plant foods is that they contain naturally occurring plant substances, sometimes referred to as “anti-nutrients.” Examples of anti-nutrients are oxalates and phytates that bind to calcium and decrease its bioavailablity. Spinach contains the most calcium of all the leafy greens at 260 mg of calcium per 1 cup cooked, but it is also high in oxalates, lowering the bioavailability so that only 5% or about 13 mg of calcium can be used by the body. The takeaway message is not to avoid spinach, which contains other valuable nutrients, but not to rely on spinach as a significant source of calcium since most of it will not be absorbed by the body. -Harvard University T.H. School of Public Health
great video! i always find it interesting that there's this huge focus on cow welfare, and that's great, we SHOULD be minimizing pain and discomfort wherever possible there, but I never hear about the abhorrent abuse of the workers who actually harvest and process the crops that make up the plant milks and I really think we should be looking at that too.
I do love that she addressed one of my biggest qualms of plant based diets and that's, yes vegetable have proteins and calcium and nutrients. BUT is it bioavailable to the person eating it? One should most definitely eat more fruits and vegetables. A plant based diet is possible. It just takes a lot more work and knowledge to do so in a health manner than people think.
As a vegan for many years I can say that it’s not really difficult or “a lot more work” to eat a plant based diet. Mostly the extra effort is reading labels because animal products get snuck in to so many foods where one might not expect them.
@@jpe1 I guess that means you're in a place accessible to lots of plant-based foods! in many areas, such options are not available or are priced much more expensively. the more work doesn't just consist of reading labels, it also involves calculating if the options available are nutritious enough or if they are within budget. going out with friends to eat also becomes a chore as many restaurants don't give many options for plant-based diets as well.
@@jpe1 The person as referring to growing food in places that cows can graze but you can’t grow many plants, like, oh, I don’t know, most of the Western US where ranchers ranch. Which is what Anne was referring to as well. Cows can thrive in places like Western Texas, New Mexico, etc. but you can’t just whatever plants you want there. We grow green chile and alfalfa, dude, you wanna subsist on just those two foods, go right ahead. 🙄
@@alternatereality2823 Cheapest foods in the world are vegan. Every store has vegan food. That's nothing but an excuse, what non vegans specialize in. Time to stop making them and cease hurting animals today!
@@rosannepub3122 unfortunately, that's not the case in my country. unless you live in what we call provinces, having a strictly plant-based diet is pretty much unattainable (unless you're well-off)
Check with food theory for accurate up to date Calcium needs or questions, he just did a great video explaining it.
He left out the beans... Even though he said he would address them at 7:30 in his video. Seems an awful lot of beans to eat if Ann is correct here.
You are the first person that I have seen in this comment section that isn’t being rude and disrespectful to either side, and I applaud you for that! /gen
@@pingidjit that did break my heart, I love beans :(
@@almighty_cheeselord lmao It’s not even a big deal I just watch food theory when I’m eating, figured everyone would be under these comments now and yea lots of negativity, should be helping each other become more knowledgeable. There’s literally no reason to be rude over milk and kale/lettuce.
@@ethanleclair498 Exactly!! I literally had to brace myself before opening the comments, I could already tell it was gonna be a shit show lol
Just a note: if you want to add more calcium to your diet, a superb food to eat is sesame or tahini.
I started drinking almond milk in high school after figuring out I was lactose intolerant (a bowl of cereal every morning did not spell a good time). I never actually understood the science behind it until now, so thank you for the clear visual explanation!
Thank you! I've seen so many people spreading misinformation about this topic... and about animal products, in general. I appreciate someone clearing the air, and I would love a Part 2 about meat vs meat substitutes.
These informational / debunking practical information videos are even more interesting than the "debunking dumb hacks" series 💗
I would also love to see Ann's take on meat vs meat substitutes!
My grandmother used to love to tell the story about how her milk cow saved my life. I couldn’t handle my mother’s milk or keep anything down when I was an infant and kept losing weight. She had a milk cow on her farm and fed me her milk instead and I was able to keep it down. Mom freaked out and ran to the doctor because she’d heard how it was dangerous to feed children raw milk, but I’d gained enough weight that he wasn’t concern. He actually said that a single family cow was safer an that the main concern was from large commercial diary farms, not your family’s cow that was more of a pet.
Some people shudder at the thought of raw milk. I loved it then and still do, though I can’t get it. It’s illegal to sell it for human consumption in much of the US, only for animal feed if you can find it at all. If you want it, you have to be able to keep your own cow or have a friend with one.
It's not illegal to sell in the us, you just can't sell it across state lines and then some states have different laws
The boom after she places each cabbage lmao
Hi! I'm from Japan and I love your videos! It's so well done and well researched! I wish everyone watched it because there is so many videos of big channels with wrong info... And watching yours just makes everything makes sense :D Could you do a video about the best food/diet to eat if you have atopic dermatitis(eczema), it's quite common in Asian people(like me lol) and when I went to Australia, I met people with that too! So maybe it could be interesting to make some content about it :)
Best of luck! And thanks for all the effort on your videos!