Deep Space Updates - Starship Boomooboom, MEV Meetup & Astra's Red Weather Days.
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- A roundup of interesting rocket stories, SpaceX's Starship had another pressure failure resulting in an Explosion followed by an Implosion and another explosion.
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"People say it exploded, but to be more correct, it actually exploded, then imploded, then exploded again."
I love that we can get this kind of commentary for free in 2020.
Hey it got off the ground, that counts as a success!
Unscheduled rapid liftoff followed by unscheduled rapid stage separation by an unintended stage.
@@-danR Sounds like something straight out of Kerbal Space Program
The hot take we all needed to hear
Scott Manley is a treasure.
Scott's picture is taped to the break room fridge at Astra Central with the caption "DO NOT TALK TO THIS MAN."
Funny thing is, if they'd actually talked to me in an official capacity I'd probably have to sign an NDA and couldn't do any of this guesswork.
@@scottmanley I was also gonna ask if you've every been mislead by disinformation in a corporate video (or press release).
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description: extremely charming personality, incredibly bald head, handsome face
@@mastershooter64 its not bald, its aerodynamic
How did you know?
Everyone wondered if SN1 would ever fly....It did :)
It didn’t even need engines!
@@matthewcarlson1748 THOOMP
Exactly lol.
Actually, given that this was methane fuel, this was the first attempt in human spaceflight to launch a rocket with a giant fart.
It hopped, not a flight.
When you think about it, rocket construction is basically the highest tier of the 'plumbing' career path. XD
That photo really points out just how far from Earth a geosynchronous orbit goes.
@@cosmonautbilly9570 Earth is pound for pound the heaviest planet in the solar system including the sun
@@cosmonautbilly9570 Seven planets? Have they gone and botched another planet again? I thought it was bad enough when we lost Pluto.
@@FadahRon pound for pound perhaps. But what about euro for euro?
Technically, that's the graveyard orbit, which is a bit higher.
That just proved that the starship actually can get off the ground even with rapid dissassembly
A rocket so good , it doesn't even need engines to fly. Checkmate ULA 😎
Someone dropped their packet of Mentos in the tank...
LMAO!!
6:50 so that's how those small cubesats are made.
3:20 "This was the world's biggest water rocket."
Best possible description of SN1
XD
Until Elon decides he wants to build a _bigger_ rocket, at which point he will beat his own record!
'Hydrostatic rocket' ("since, you know, it wasn't actually water, it was liquid nitrogen")
So does Arca's hydrostatic booster rocket look less silly now?
SN1 was not intended to fly.
SN1 would not be denied vertical travel.
SN1 launched its own self upwards.
It turned against it meand nature and made it's dream come true
Desire is a wondrous thing...
Can you blame it? Musk said that SN1 would fly to a height of 20 km. Then he stopped saying that. SN1 clearly did not get the memo.
@@TheAngryAstronaut It ate a bad taco earlier that day...
Out of all of this I think that the MEV is the coolest thing, An actual image of a Geosync satellite with Earth in the background. Damn!!
Watching with no audio, turned on Closed Captions at 3:17 "mutants thirds law" got me good.
What, there are Three Laws of Mutants?!
The robots will revolt...
"It's fine, we'll just buff it out", LOL
Iron man
yip, just a little bit of bondo and some new paint ... she'll be right mate! If all else fails, break the glass on the emergency roll of duct tape.
I love this guy
Flat earther: Turn a satellite round and take a picture of the earth
Northrop: A satellite taking a picture of another satellite with earth in the background.
Flat earther: Fake
Best comment.
@Dat tizio you sir, have earned a banana🍌
@Dat tizio"That was dropped by a plane!!!"
I mean, it could be fake. Prove it isn't ;)
Strap them to the rocket. /jk
I genuinely avoid clickbait space videos to wait for your fantastic commentary
Can you imagine how frickin' LOUD that had to be?
You can go to BocaChicaGal's video and hear the audio.
What?!
What?!
😣
@@kennyfordham6208 dude...hilarious lol
They’re doing it on purpose to make the locals sell.
Probably as loud as my laugh when I heard that Elon Musk said "Oh Puck!" Very witty Scott. Good work as always.
1:41
Bishop: That's it, emergency venting.
Hicks: How long 'til it blows?
Someone must have ignored the call for "no live ammo".
"I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid".
Love this reference!
SN1 was kind of like a Mythbusters water heater, I think those were slightly caved in too.
failed steam Rocket?
Did those implode on takeoff or crumple on landing? I was thinking the latter but it's been many years since I last saw that episode.
Those water heaters flew MUCH better!
Isn't the development of Starships being funded primarily by Japaneese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa? I know he bought up all the available seats on the first Starship to take a ride around the the Moon.
ULA has a better design for making long hulls. 4 huge segments, maybe they should take a look at it.
scott your measured approach to all things spacex is such a breath of fresh air. cant thank you enough for it
5:21 The boom lift even says "ULTRA BOOM"...
Looking for this exact comment!
"It exploded, then imploded, then exploded again"... Anything worth doing is worth over doing!
@HO LAM YIU on point 👌😂
I doubt that's ever happened in KSP.
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Let's see if someone can replicate this in 2.0!
Your profile pic could be The Happy Star.
You have it all wrong, it was a successful test of a rather powerful cold nitrogen thruster.
Terrible specific impulse, but they are getting there
@@torade100 They probably got inspired by the fuel-venting part added to ksp in a recent patch. Or maybe ksp added the part cause they heard of this thruster!? Either way, spaceX need to put work into their infinite-fuel cheat, clearly not up to par.
@@feha92 why use vent valves when you can eject the entire bottom of the rocket and dump all the fuel
@@torade100 Like it's specific impulse is going to get better? This guy smoked a blunt, read Newton's Three Laws for the first time, and decided he was smart...
MEV is a perhaps the more important event. Being able to service satellites in orbit is a Really Big Thing.
".......and that one exploded, imploded.....exploded again! Then it burned down, fell over and sank into the swamp! So I built another one! And that is what you are getting. The strongest rocket in all these lands!" - Elon Python
Elon Musk is playboy Ironman
What?... The curtains?
And what are YOU doing in the meantime
Nice one.
@@Jack0trades No singing!
"You can't build a rocket in the field, I told you..." 🤣This make my day.
"Boomooboom" should be the word of the year for 2020.
The good news is that the top dome section held. Mk1 popped its top, SN1 popped its bottom. There wasn't a lot of failure in different spots in the hundreds of meters of welds--the implosion just made it seem that way. I think they are fairly certain the only real weld failure can be limited to the puck. Test the puck weld to success and they will be ready for static fire and then 20km flight.
I feel like the most accurate way of putting it is that it experienced a rapid, unscheduled, disassembly event.
Disassembly VENT
Perhaps Alaska, in winter, was not the best choice of launch site for Astra... 😢
True that... Weird to pick Alaska for a rocket company.. I mean canadas next door. Im sure theey could launch here for a fee ofc. Or ship it by boat to America
Isn't ironic that Astra is built on demand, like ASAP launch but can't launch because of weather? Is it defeat the purpose? Idk, it's just me.
As I understand it, that was DARPA's choice, not Astra's. It is a "challenge" after all ;)
@@travcollier Well, Astra should consider that factor.
Who's dumbass Idea was it to launch from Alaska in the dead of Winter?
Congratulations on 1 million subscribers! As always, absolutely fantastic information in your videos. Thanks so much.
I guess it's the opportune moment to bring up the fact that French has 2 words for this family of events: "éclatement" when there is no oxydation nor flame, and "explosion" when there is fire and fury.
So éclatement is for balloons popping?
@@MegaKopfschmerzen yes. actually I struggle to see any other use than overpressure, but the deep meaning is no combustion.
It's not often I get to learn etymology on a rocketry channel. Thank you!
Right when I heard of the SN1 explosion-implosion-explosion i was looking for your video. Thanks for all your work.
Well...I guess you can't deny that it flew.
Explosion implosion welcome to extreme unction (sung to the tune of "Conjunction Junction" from the show "Schoolhouse Rock").
Thanks, Scott. Just wanted to say that I really enjoy your reports. Always well researched and well presented. Love your low key humor too. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Scott. I always wait to hear your take on things first and now I will listen to others.
4:12 Elon's asking for flex tape, doesn't he know the flex paste is out now? Phill will swiftly come in and flex pasted up the sn1
I sawed this booster in half! And repaired it with only flex tape! YEEE DOGGY!
@@blueberry1c2 and there's a clip of him riding the booster like he's strapped to the booster with a horse saddle
"swiftly"
Aah I see what you did there. I tip my hat to my fellow punner.
"It even works in outer space!"
Now that's a lot of damage
those are some sick MSPaint skills Scott! 😊
Thanks to you, I stay informed of ALL of the pertinent space news, including your knowledge and friendly insiders, great 👍 job!
Congrats on the million subs i just noticed, great video again!
I bet the Mythbusters are so damn jealous.
Obviously SN1 was sacrificed by Sarah Connor to kill/freeze the T1000. Time travel Duh
1:34 "If you filled up the top half, then..." I give that a win for foreshadowing SN3. :-D
Thank you, John Rand 0061!
10:00 Nothing beats old ass Windows version!
Last stable version made, they can't risk using anything newer!
Which version of Windows is it? I can't make it out.
@@travcollier windows usually has you know the windows logo start button, and internet explorer both are present so you've overlooked a couple key details.
(you can also barely see file explorer and notepad) the only non standard program being the one showing on the right you have the windows style date.
it's using some version of a windows 7 like operating system (probably an enterprise version though idk), with Aero theme turned off, it's windows classic theme. you can google it yourself and see how similar it is.
Good catch! Interesting...
This is the perfect example of water hammer effect when done on a large scale., it's like putting a Coca-Cola can with a very minor imperfection in the seal and dropping the pressure
Using a vacuum chamber that's the part I left out of my previous comment
Great info Scott. Well explained in layperson non-jargon terms. Keep it coming! Please.
as someone who operates and sometimes breaks their own equipment (big boy sandbox toys) and then has to weld them back together, I can tell you that a little bit of reinforcement plating over problem welds goes a long way. like as in the difference between a stressed weld tearing apart and never having a problem with it ever again
Oh Elon... We're gonna at least need a gallon of flex seal for this
I've heard aircraft usually fly like they look and that's certainly true in this case. It looked like it was gonna fail and blow up.
Sheesh, it’s amazing how much information people like Scott can gleen from an innocent video from the company. I appreciate it!
Great explanation as always!
There's a lot of welding done on grain silos. I know they also have tons of bolts, but there must be some way of rigging those silos to weld stuff together.
I can guarantee Beijing is watching these goings-on and in 2 years will be cold-rolling out 10x30 meter sheets of cryosteel from single 10 meter long billets.
@@-danR It'll be available on Ali Express, with free shipping.
Boom - Explode
Moob - Implode
Boom - Explode
Boomooboom (copyright Scott Manley 2020)
[A part of] Starships first flight is a beautiful thing, it brings a tear to my eye
Holy hell!! It's the Teleoperator Retrieval System, only 40 years too late! Way to go, Northrup.
whenever I see this test rockets on their side I always imaging Colin Furze with a chair on top
Dumbledore Calrissian that’s his next subscriber special
I thought that turning the lights off during the event was part of an Illuminati conspiracy to stop people from seeing the failure, but then I realized that there's a slight etymological incongruence there.
*frowns*... Ohhh! Good one
I just want you to know, that no matter how horrible your jokes are, you are appreciated
*begrudging slow clap*
No incongruence - it's the _Illuminati_ that are illuminated, _not_ the stuff they're working on and _not_ me and you... :) :) :)
Ahahahaaaaa (after a while of squinting)
Those MEV photos are very cool, i like this idea so much that i used it in KSP career ;P
Guys, nobody has had this sort of insight into anything of this scale in the past. This is how we build the future
"Crush that tank" That sounds like it needs to be on a shirt.
"It's fine, we'll just buff it out." Elon Musk
A great analysis. 👏
That's some pretty good paint skills
6:45 my music theme of choice would be Yello - Oh Yeah.
7:07 : "Anomaly"? Surely you mean "Observation"! ^^
The time and effort spent on this project really makes SpaceX look silly when they had a viable launch system
How does pioneering a totally new super large launch system, while financing it from the succesful ongoing operation & launches of the Falcon look silly? Did Ford look silly replacing the model T automobile, or should we still be driving them?
You sound like an incompetent executive. When you have a viable product, you put it out on the market, _and quickly develop a better one._ The competition will already be trying to one-up you, so you need to be trying to one-up yourself as well.
Also, he tried to develop from the Falcon 9, and decided that it was an inferior route. That's where Falcon Heavy came from. So if Starship fails, he can just go back to Falcon Heavy.
How much time and effort did you think it took to make a viable rocket system? SLS has been under development since 2011, for example.
It really is amazing what information can be teased out of a few images (as you say, provided it's not fake).
And *thank you* for using the word 'estimate' over the infuriatingly wrong 'guesstimate'!
the front fell off
Ooh don't you know how sweet and wonderful life can be ooh
I'm asking you baby to get it on with me ooh ooh
I ain't gonna worry
I ain't gonna push, won't push you baby
So c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, baby
Stop beatin' 'round the bush, hey
Let's get it on
Let's get it on
As for Astra, lesson #1, don't try and launch a rocket from Alaska in the winter. SMH
Sounds like a good chance to learn more about stainless steel welding. On to SN2!
And MEV was absolutely amazing.
Best quality drawing in Paint ever.
Ngl the starship already looked like a peace of scrap metal
Bad wind can ruin my welds so I take tablets for it.
Congrats on 1 million!
I hadn't realized that the top tank remained mostly intact - only saw the LabPadre version, which is a bit too zoomed in (understandably). Very interesting!
I didn't watch any news about that cause I waited for your video ;) Thanks!
I didn't rush out a video because I was busy.....
@@scottmanley no problem at all, it's worth the wait! :)
i watched news of this and found nothing as interesting as in this video
Scott does the best space news explanations!
So like H-Bombs are usually fission-fusion-fission bombs :)
Well explained
I literally laughed out loud...at work...at the Marvin Gay comment. Keep up the good work Scott!
Why they don’t build the whole structure from 1 huge plate of steel? Like ULA is sort of doing that, but they have 4 huge sections. less welding and much more stronger.
The ULA way is reliable, and expensive. SpaceX is trying to push mass production methods, which means you have to find the cheapest way that's still safe. This is part of the deal.
Ian Vickers humans supposed to fly in this thing.... everything looks like a joke and not trustworthy. Maybe they should hire people from ULA to get some advice or rethink how to construct this. For now it’s like watching another episode of the Muppetsshow.
@@sokolum : People from ULA? Why, to learn how to make proposals that never produce results? The ULA method would more likely turn out like the 737 MAX than a safe & successful vehicle. Elon is _properly_ doing iterative design, part of which involves developing the actual process & equipment settings required to achieve the desired results. He has his initial vehicle design, his material, and his manufacturing processes, all he needs to do is the final debugging of all of the integration, which is exactly what he's doing right now.
As for single pieces, correctly made welds are usually _stronger_ than what's being welded to.
@@sokolum well it never will have humans on it, until it is demonstrated to be reliable. Obviously there's a long way to go, but this is the way I prefer: seeing the hard lessons learnt without being scared of trying new things.
One of these days, a Deep Space Updates will actually feature a Starship in deep space....
They might also want to look into weld inspection techniques.
Thanks for the info about Astra, no one seems to mention them.
It wasn't an anomaly! It was an observation! - Northrop Grumman/Orbital/ATK/Whateverthey'recallednow.
Northrop Grumman Space Systems, to be exact now. That is the name of the major division that contains the space stuff.
Alexander Marvin still going to refer to them as Orbital Sciences until the day I die
Alexander Marvin it’s hardly worth keeping track. Even internally, it’s likely to change. The name of the division of the company I work for (a competitor) has changed more times than I can count in the fifteen years I’ve been there.
I'm starting to be skeptical about starship. Is it just me?
Nah lots of people have been skeptical about starship for a lot longer than they were even trying to build the thing. But the thing is, elon isnt going to give up. They were going to build the whole thing out of carbon fiber, but it turned out that isnt the best thing to do. It might turn out that this weld together strips of steel isnt going to work either, but Elon will just move on to a different plan.
Explosions seem to be just due part for the course. Every time it happens they just call it a stress test and adapt the design to be better
Also, we need to think beyond our Elon musk hype ... Maybe it's just too much too soon
6:44 - I'm glad we are on the same page with regard to proper musical accompaniment for this scene.
Do you sleep? Another informative and concise update. Thanks, Scott.
It's like the Russian philosophy about rocket development -go on until they stop exploding then you have something useful.
Russia did build the Soyuz, so that philosophy does produce reliable rockets
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@@KuK137 Funny you'd say that. Considering the Udssr (and the rest of the world) unsuccessfully tried to build a full-flow staged combustion cycle engine since the 50s. Something first achieved by SpaceX last year.
Doesn't sound like *reinventing* to me.
Angara on the other hands flew on the first launch... It is rather conservative design, though, nothing new.
The US used to go at it like this too. Back in the early days, where they had a test flight every week, many ending in fireballs. Apollo program blew up a lot of F-1 test articles until they got combustion instability under control.
a bit cynical at time index 5:21, the "JLG Ultra BOOM" in the picture...
0:28 at lower right... "ULTRA BOOM" indeed! :-D
SpaceX tank BLOOMBERGED.
What did SN2 say to SN1?
Okay, BOOMer!
Oh god
no
Marvin Gaye - Orbital Healing
No Teda bless you
Very good examination. A bit of the old out and in and out again. Spit! Pucker up! Now Spit again!
Well that fact that it exploded violently means that it is able to withstand quite a bit of pressure.
i dont think this was unexpected. they went ahead to try and test the engine, but Elon had said earlier that week that they discovered weakness in most of SN1s welds. so, they probably knew there was a good chance of failure
I just love Elon’s attitude and personality. In the face of a potential disaster he cracks jokes and moves forward, and creates a better product.
He really understands what principles should drive engineering, and treats SpaceX like that rather than a money-centered business. Failure is always an option, failing to improve and iterate upon those mistakes is not!
Sean Jones He’s determined to be a space cowboy. Earlier space endeavors seem to have a lot of discovery, and very methodical, deliberate, and slow progress. It seems like he’s interested in trying things if he has too. Trying a lot of things, rather than just sitting on plans for a decade before you get to do anything approaching test work.
@@chickenmonger123 His engineers create a great product.
Better it fails during a static test before the engines were install than during a test flight.
The whole point of these prototypes is to find the failure points, so it did its job!
Ten months Ten Starships? Wow! It was amazing year
I'm in Alaska 130 miles from astra's launch facility. Close by Alaska standards. I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to have this private launch facility to be here and work out. However, the weather here will likely always be an issue and I'm not sure what people were thinking when they put the facility in. The anti missile missile site was part of it, but offering it to sensitive payloads such as communication satellites is a bust. Good luck timing your launch window, and the logistics of getting your hardware and team here seems like a showstopper. With that said, Astra, I'm looking forward to seeing your exhaust plume arching above us!