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  • Опубліковано 18 лют 2019
  • The Troll Wall is the tallest vertical rock face in Europe in which we can find the iconic Fiva Route, that has never been skied before Kilian Jornet gave it a go in 2018. Discover Kilian’s journey to become one of the best steep skiers in the world and how he managed to descend a challenging route in the Norwegian Alps !
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    Kilian Jornet, Vivian Bruchez, Alex Pittin, Henki Flatlandsmo, Halvor Hagen, Sebastien Montaz-Rosset.
    A film by Raymond Aasen & Matti Bernitz.
    Photo by Kilian Jornet, Sebastien Montaz-Rosset, Raymond Assen, Matti Bernitz, Guillaume Broust.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 253

  • @jeffspicoli2643
    @jeffspicoli2643 5 років тому +25

    When skill overcomes insanity... I was gripped for you Kilian! Bravo!!!

  • @NielsPetterLiset
    @NielsPetterLiset 4 роки тому +10

    7:33 That part is really scary! Poor ice for the axes and icy for the skis. Good that he takes his time.

  • @0L0FED
    @0L0FED 5 років тому +14

    and here am I, thinking I'm the coolest kid on the block whenever I ski something that is 45° in perfect condition. So much respect for these dudes on pushing the boundaries of what's possible!

  • @pierremalanjacobs9257
    @pierremalanjacobs9257 5 років тому +27

    Kilian Jornet is one amazing athlete! Very inspiring video

  • @SnootchieBootchies27
    @SnootchieBootchies27 5 років тому +5

    That was the gnarliest thing I've ever seen. Ima just keep skiing pow, myself.

  • @jeanettejrgensen6682
    @jeanettejrgensen6682 5 років тому +7

    You got hikers, climbers and basejumpers on the troll wall...and this crazy dude!! Yolo!!

  • @AviationSports1978
    @AviationSports1978 5 років тому +9

    Respect, ice climbing and skiing the Troll

  • @claudesaintpierre7352
    @claudesaintpierre7352 5 років тому +3

    Recently, i saw The Trollvegen (Troll Wall) in june and it's really impressive. But there's no word to describe the Kilian Jornet's performance in winter. Awesome !!!

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому +1

      Awesome that you got to see it with your own eyes, Claude! This rock face is MASSIVE!

  • @FuckAdds
    @FuckAdds 5 років тому +2

    Whaaa je trouve toujours fascinantes et mystérieuses ces vidéos de ski de pente raide mais là c'est surréaliste comme difficulté et exposition !
    En tout cas je suis sidéré de voir que Kilian repousse les "limites" d'une nouvelle activité de montagne, après le trail, l'ultra trail, le skyrunning-alpirunning, le ski alpinisme en courte ou longue distance et l'himalayisme en passant par l'alpinisme... le ski de pente raide ...
    Manquerait plus qu'à ce qui se mette "à fond" en escalade...
    Plus sérieusement je me dis qu'en combinant avec du vélo ou de la natation ou sur plusieurs jours il a les moyens de réaliser des merveilles !
    C'est marrant tous ces commentaires doutant du "ski", pour moi ce qu'on fait avec des skis c'est forcément du ski. Il suffit de voir la variété incroyable parmi les "disciplines". Mais à ce niveau extrême d'escalade sur glace/mixte c'est clairement une question qui se pose, il faudrait arriver à expliquer les sensations et le "sens" du ski de pente raide puisque ce n'est pas la glisse j'imagine...

  • @bartsimpson208
    @bartsimpson208 4 роки тому +7

    Kilian made us stare at the Solomon logo on his helmet, skis, t-shirt, and at the bottom of the screen for almost 9 minutes LoL
    I now understand why is it called a Troll Wall :)

  • @MegaGronis
    @MegaGronis Рік тому +1

    Troll wall . I love this Mountains.

  • @feldenkrais193
    @feldenkrais193 5 років тому +19

    What a line! Insane to most of people but makeable for Kilian. I hope I will develope in the direction of that kind of skill. Stay alive;)

  • @joeljenkins5873
    @joeljenkins5873 5 років тому +3

    Thanks for the subtitles for all of us single language speaking Americans....

  • @vamvra5498
    @vamvra5498 4 роки тому +1

    When your S Lab ski sticks and cuts into the wall like a welding torch...trust it and stand on it ... great for Salomon and Kilian.

  • @Shouldbeeasier
    @Shouldbeeasier 4 роки тому

    Gave me shivers all the way and then film ends like that haha. What a legend

  • @Vincent-di8me
    @Vincent-di8me 5 років тому +38

    Flippante cette plaque de verglas verticale à la fin

    • @thoreau1992
      @thoreau1992 5 років тому +6

      Ce qui me fait flipper c'est quand il lâche les 2 mains

  • @NakedWarriorPoland
    @NakedWarriorPoland 5 років тому +3

    I'm big fan of Kilian since I red his first book. Now running to be like him one day :)

  • @ridethree
    @ridethree 5 років тому +72

    Except for the two places where its actually wide enough to make a turn this doesn't really look like skiing to me. Where do you draw the line between skiing and downclimbing with skis on so you can say you skied it. Nevertheless great achievement and Kilian is an exceptional athlete

    • @dethwisper
      @dethwisper 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah, I don't know how to feel about this video. I get that it's an amazing achievement, but I don't consider that to be skiing. I'm not belittling the guys accomplishment. It's pretty crazy to do it, let alone on skis, but I just can't call this skiing. Props to this nutjob for having the balls to do it though. Respect.

    • @fwdbias9099
      @fwdbias9099 2 роки тому +1

      @@dethwisper yeah the skis literally do nothing for this, they don't add security, they don't save energy or add speed. They're just a liability, just downclimbing with crampons on would take less effort and time. Cant even really say you skied it so much as say that on the way down you wore skis for no particular reason. I've seen a number a couloirs done in similar fashion and can't say I see the appeal.

  • @LisaCulton
    @LisaCulton 3 роки тому +3

    I was on a 60 degree Schlepplift (T-bar lift) last weekend and it made my legs wobble. I felt it was an accomplishment.

    • @VernalFilm
      @VernalFilm Рік тому +1

      That must have been 60%, not degrees. Thats still very steep for a schlepplift though.

  • @mariuasturies
    @mariuasturies 5 років тому +17

    Y despues sale Messner en "Path to Evetest" diciendo que Killian no es alpinista, no me jodas! Autentico ski-alpinismo, pero menuda bajada extrema, cracken!! Mola ver los que no salieron nunca de pistas ni de remontes mecanicos escupiendo sandeces, "isti ni is isquiir, isti ni is autintiqui isquiii.. ", a pastaar! Y disfrutar de cracks de esta talla!

  • @wheelbegood
    @wheelbegood 5 років тому +6

    That's a new discipline there - a mix of free soloing and skiing
    it's called SKI-SOLOING 😄⚡️

  • @KyleMeyr
    @KyleMeyr 5 років тому +5

    A real-life super hero!

  • @nunonns
    @nunonns 5 років тому +14

    I am a big fan of yours Killian, especially your love for nature and for being outside respecting nature and I believe deep in my heart that you should search within the deepest part of you if there is another way to evolve besides making just another incredible dangerous thing. I have been through the same road you're on, not so dangerous of course but honestly it looked to me that next time you could do that descent with the hands behind your back or with clown shoes just to increase difficulty. Sorry for the opinion and thanks for the inspiration in so many things.

  • @laowai2000
    @laowai2000 6 місяців тому

    Scary. Absolutely zero room for the slightest error.

  • @fredvoccia
    @fredvoccia 5 років тому +1

    Un extraterrestre !!! C'est qui le boss. Bravo

  • @vonderlust
    @vonderlust 5 років тому +3

    Those camera lens distortions make it hard to get a feel for the actual conditions. That said, kudos to Killian on another amazing feat!

  • @craigm5713
    @craigm5713 2 місяці тому +1

    Well if he had gone over the other side of the troll wall he wouldve been going a lot faster....and needed a parachute to boot. Love killians stuff. In age of mobile phones he is out there livin it

  • @oliverfd1834
    @oliverfd1834 5 років тому +63

    Ive been there, i cant believe thats Even possible

    • @ggoose11224
      @ggoose11224 5 років тому

      Ollie my family own the farm called Fiva at the base of this mountain

    • @konstruktivismuskonstru9360
      @konstruktivismuskonstru9360 5 років тому +9

      that's a not calculable risk. Kilian won't get old, like Ueli, if he keeps on doing such things...

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому +7

      It's... STEEP!

  • @NicoJTX
    @NicoJTX 5 років тому +4

    Best athlete of the century !!!

  • @45li209
    @45li209 5 років тому +1

    Super piste verte! Je recommande, vivement qu'ils installent un télésiège.

  • @donaco8659
    @donaco8659 5 років тому +6

    Impressionnant !

  • @tarponmonkey39
    @tarponmonkey39 5 років тому +5

    It doesn't exactly look like a fun ski down to me. But everyone has their own interpretation of "fun". Definitely a great accomplishment.

  • @petermuller6330
    @petermuller6330 3 роки тому

    Crazy, crazy, crazy!!! Super impressive!!!

  • @ggoose11224
    @ggoose11224 5 років тому +5

    My family own the Fiva farm at the base of this mountain!!

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому +1

      Nice backdrop 😍

  • @GabrielSHaandstad
    @GabrielSHaandstad 4 роки тому +1

    My uncle and his friends climbed the troll wall in the winter 20 years ago. At the top they got chaught by a avalanche and they fell from the top to the bottom. My uncle and one off his friends survived, but too off his friends died that day.
    The trollwall is a wall that is extremly risky to climb. And its such a sight to see in person. Hope that people that climb this wall are carefule.

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  4 роки тому

      Sorry to hear about this sad story. It's indeed a very spectacular place to see and climb.

  • @purnamadiiteh5256
    @purnamadiiteh5256 4 роки тому

    Amazing skying

  • @movethelimit
    @movethelimit 4 роки тому +1

    supercool ....absolutley crazy

  • @HendrikMorkel
    @HendrikMorkel 5 років тому +2

    That's some crazy stuff there Kilian, happy you got out of it alive! Maybe it's time to retire soon-ish and just live a happy life in the Norwegian mountains?

  • @klauswhitedreamer
    @klauswhitedreamer 5 років тому +2

    Bravo !

  • @josephregan1007
    @josephregan1007 5 років тому +1

    What a madman! So sick

  • @mactek6033
    @mactek6033 5 років тому +114

    That's not skiing. That's climbing down with skis on.

    • @Cactar8
      @Cactar8 5 років тому +5

      I cant help but wonder why the fuck anyone would do this.

    • @razcohen5590
      @razcohen5590 5 років тому +1

      Mac Tek well yeah. A bit too steep to ski on 😨

    • @ritzyllama
      @ritzyllama 4 роки тому +2

      @@Cactar8 my guess is because he's paid to do extreme shit in order for Solomon to pay him. Also, I've got a feeling he may be insane because in the videos where he does this kind of nonsense he is never with a partner

    • @Kevin-sy8uf
      @Kevin-sy8uf 4 роки тому

      @@ritzyllama like I'll kill myself and no one else

    • @SebHaarfagre
      @SebHaarfagre 4 роки тому +12

      @@ritzyllama There's extremely few who can do this, let alone do this and not be a danger to others in the team. Any extreme skier would know what I'm trying to say...
      As for the "not skiing" part, this is 60 degrees. And it's riddled with ice parts, drops, and twist and turns. He _HAS_ to do it this way, if he wants to live.
      I feel a bit dumb for having to explain this.....

  • @jordipuig1680
    @jordipuig1680 3 роки тому +1

    Si passes per Trondheim avisa, farem una birra!

  • @westpoland1587
    @westpoland1587 5 років тому +2

    Super!

  • @milesbaker4775
    @milesbaker4775 3 роки тому

    C’est vraiment incroyable!

  • @roymitchell2
    @roymitchell2 5 років тому +1

    The link that brought me here said there would be skiing? All I saw was side slipping and down climbing.

  • @johnmcmillen4540
    @johnmcmillen4540 5 років тому +2

    oh man that's so otherworldly unimaginable. What sheer steepness and in part really icy ! Deep bow in front of this epic achievement. Is this the most difficult ski descent on the planet (because of the brutal combination of length, steepness and technical challenges)?

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому +2

      It probably is among the most technical and difficult ones for sure.

  • @Howtowithpaulaandjohn
    @Howtowithpaulaandjohn 5 років тому +2

    Freaking incredible.

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому

      Impressive, right? 🙌🏻

  • @emmanuelberdugo3934
    @emmanuelberdugo3934 2 роки тому

    trailer légendaire, skieur extrême et au delà de l'extrême...Killian est un ovni

  • @ikeikeikeikeikeikeikeike
    @ikeikeikeikeikeikeikeike 5 років тому +1

    This is too sick

  • @nadiadulud
    @nadiadulud 5 років тому +1

    😳😱😲😵🤔...😉 Wow !!!!! 👌💪👏👏👏👏👏 😍 Super Kiki !!!!...😘😉

  • @burhanisulthon
    @burhanisulthon 5 років тому +1

    7:35 Mantul iki, better skis than crampons 😂 edan tenan 👍

  • @phildurre9492
    @phildurre9492 5 років тому +2

    if you have to use the ice axes its not skying, its climbing with skies on the feet. without wanting to say it’s easy, of course its a performance!

    • @racerschin
      @racerschin 2 роки тому

      there was zero skiing on this video. ski is flow. where is no flow, there is no skiing. so, zero accomplishment. only danger. who cares.

  • @georgepapanastasiou8073
    @georgepapanastasiou8073 5 років тому +2

    Crazy!!

  • @juliomonasteriobacarizo3629
    @juliomonasteriobacarizo3629 5 років тому +1

    EL MEJOR . UNA MAQUINA PERFECTA.

  • @debrunsfar153
    @debrunsfar153 5 років тому +2

    Holy crap!

  • @emiltjonneland721
    @emiltjonneland721 5 років тому +8

    At what point is this just down climbing with skis on?

  • @timothydean9407
    @timothydean9407 2 роки тому

    What are the animal tracks up there? Unbelievable!

  • @ranburrito8830
    @ranburrito8830 5 років тому +2

    Wow!

  • @davidskyrun7421
    @davidskyrun7421 5 років тому +3

    Magique...

  • @Theninjaonthemountains
    @Theninjaonthemountains 5 років тому +2

    Crazy crazy guy which is why I love him!!!

  • @stephaneguyoux6526
    @stephaneguyoux6526 5 років тому +2

    Un géant un artiste impressionnant 😉

  • @pbandjosh
    @pbandjosh 5 років тому +14

    Super impressive but not that aesthetic / appealing for me. Downclimbing ice with skis on is kind of like drytooling in summer - sure it can be really hard but meh.

  • @georgebrankov2143
    @georgebrankov2143 6 місяців тому

    Actually, today the maximum steepness it is possible to ride is a full 70 degrees or 275% gradients. For a big surprice.

  • @jeanfrancoisdetaille
    @jeanfrancoisdetaille 5 років тому +2

    I am gonna try that with a pair of fins and call it skin Alpine diving

  • @hagenexner9462
    @hagenexner9462 5 років тому +65

    I admit the guys has balls of Hercules, but hey, let’s face it, this is not Skiing.

    • @TheStereoField
      @TheStereoField 5 років тому +1

      Chris yep. Call it like it is

    • @lucasravix2890
      @lucasravix2890 5 років тому +6

      It is why it is called ski alpinism :)

    • @wojtekszatkowski8556
      @wojtekszatkowski8556 4 роки тому +8

      Skiing has many faces. One of them is Killian and Andrzej Bargiel.

    • @racerschin
      @racerschin 2 роки тому

      @@wojtekszatkowski8556 no skiing.- sorry.

    • @eckhardkoehler3013
      @eckhardkoehler3013 Рік тому +1

      Technically he's on skis on snow, but yeah give me powder and trees any day. That no hands hand switch whilst standing on an ice crag wearing skis, f that!!!

  • @makotosawada6499
    @makotosawada6499 3 роки тому

    Is there a way to watch the sequel to this video?

  • @marcosadelino6990
    @marcosadelino6990 5 років тому +2

    Scary

  • @RossLeavitt
    @RossLeavitt 4 роки тому

    That was an incredible accomplishment. The video needs two things: subtitles and an ending.

    • @MrZepLed
      @MrZepLed 4 роки тому

      It has subtitles 😊 check the settings

  • @GalDornick
    @GalDornick 5 років тому +1

    Killian you are a Spanish treasure, NO, a world treasure!

  • @df4291
    @df4291 5 років тому +1

    I would've just sent it. LERRRRRRROYYY JENKINSSSSSS

    • @GhostlyBG
      @GhostlyBG 5 років тому

      The question is if he has chicken though? :-D

    • @df4291
      @df4291 5 років тому

      lolol @@GhostlyBG

  • @TheYondaime008
    @TheYondaime008 5 років тому +1

    Kilian 😍

  • @monjezentaito
    @monjezentaito 5 років тому +1

    Qué peligro!!!!

  • @blondieblondie7086
    @blondieblondie7086 5 років тому

    Grande Kilian

  • @erikkemper
    @erikkemper 5 років тому +37

    07:35 Really ?!!

    • @dpvandermaat
      @dpvandermaat 5 років тому +2

      I know right. At what point are you not skiing anymore :/

    • @FuckAdds
      @FuckAdds 5 років тому

      Even with crampons it looks scary ! But in steep ski there is a logic to keep ski "beyond reason" ... but reason is not the same to all of us...

    • @aehostetler
      @aehostetler 5 років тому +3

      Looks like a good day of skiing in New Hamapshire!

    • @dragoslupascu2096
      @dragoslupascu2096 5 років тому

      The video doesn't go much beyond that point, but I think they got him off the cliff with a helicopter or on foot.

    • @blondieblondie7086
      @blondieblondie7086 5 років тому

      Yes it is

  • @jaznan_4749
    @jaznan_4749 5 років тому +89

    Hmmm i don‘t get the point. I see that this is physicaly demanding, more then the best of the average can bring, but that is not skiing, it was climbing up and mostly climbing down on skis. Sorry

    • @MatRecords
      @MatRecords 5 років тому +13

      but climbing up and down on skis isnt it the very essence of skiing ?

    • @MrGarrisonSA
      @MrGarrisonSA 5 років тому +2

      I wanted to say the same but there were so many ppl praising him.

    • @Jokl92
      @Jokl92 5 років тому +2

      Yeah, I prefer to go up somewhere and then enjoy the ride down. So if it's not worth the ride like here, I woudn't bother.

    • @toddmulligan2609
      @toddmulligan2609 5 років тому +7

      Most “firsts” these days are pretty pointless

    • @paulhenridelehaye2013
      @paulhenridelehaye2013 5 років тому +3

      lol have you ever skied ?

  • @dylanstandingalone
    @dylanstandingalone 3 роки тому

    If I can't get to the top without ropes, I'm not going!

  • @andrewblack7852
    @andrewblack7852 4 роки тому

    I’ve skied for 48 years now, I watch all the alpine content. I’m a fan , but that wasn’t skiing, that was just survival with skis on. I don’t get it but I think it does convey the line to me. I am not interested in attempting anything like troll wall!! In fact I think I enjoy skiing, you know fluid smooth turns, trees, park style, pow days , light and fun touring... but not this corner of alpine danger!

  • @eugenecaasi5776
    @eugenecaasi5776 Рік тому

    WOW

  • @tvtotalforever
    @tvtotalforever 5 років тому +1

    Is that still considered skiing or just climbing with 2 sticks underneath your feet?

  • @thedarkfalafel9323
    @thedarkfalafel9323 2 роки тому

    Dude, this wall is considered extremely dangerous to climb IN SUMMER, and the guy fucking skied it down

  • @benjaminthancock
    @benjaminthancock 4 роки тому

    Premature ending. My goodness.

  • @nikolagamesTV
    @nikolagamesTV 5 років тому +1

    Amazing how he skis such a steep mountain, walking is one thing skiing is another this cant be categorized as walking on skis

  • @MasthaX
    @MasthaX 5 років тому +1

    What I don't get is why take skies if you walk down more than half of it anyway?

  • @Tanner731
    @Tanner731 5 років тому

    if its too steep to make turns down its not really being skiied in my opinion. its quite an impressive feat but i think its hard to call it skiing when you have to sidestep, repel, and jumpturn your way down. id just call it ski climbing or somthing

  • @mikemoore38
    @mikemoore38 5 років тому

    Franchement c'est époustouflant ce que fait KJ .
    Il aborde une nouvelle discipline et dépasse encore les limites .
    Cette soif inextinguible de performances , jusqu'ici il en maîtrisait les risques par sa très grande connaissance de la montagne .
    Ne franchit il pas la une limite , dans cette course effrénée vers l'extrême ?
    Ueli Steck n'est plus de ce monde , pourtant il était le meilleur , le plus rapide de sa discipline .
    Ou est la marge de sécurité qu'à toujours eu KJ dans ses performances ?

    • @Alexandre-nm3lo
      @Alexandre-nm3lo 5 років тому

      surtout que maintenant il a une 3e bouche a nourrir, je me demande si c'est facile de s'exposer au danger de sa passion et a la responsabilité de sa famille en même temps, il a beaucoup moins le droit de prendre de risques. Au passage, hâte de voir ce que deviendra son fils...

  • @jorgeeK2
    @jorgeeK2 4 роки тому

    After Travis Rice rode and Cody Townsend skied that crack in Alaska, I’m just not impressed by this kind of trek anymore. I know, I know Ice and so many other perils that make it difficult but still.

  • @vic6820
    @vic6820 5 років тому +2

    Is that a red or a black?

  • @fernandog.aguirre2791
    @fernandog.aguirre2791 5 років тому

    Whished that Salomon can do more videos in Canada, AK and North West of the US ! or Japan!!!! Thanks

    • @psychedeliccheese
      @psychedeliccheese 5 років тому

      salomon freeski is your zone for that stuff.

    • @SalomonTV
      @SalomonTV  5 років тому

      Hey Fernando, we've got a lot of content shot in North America, check out our episodes here: tv.salomon.com/channel/freeski-touring The Bon Appetit Ski crew went skiing in Yukon, Watch Bon Appetit: Yukon we also spent a few days out at Mica Lodge: Watch Mica: One More Round and our man Mike Douglas went to Japan in SalomonTV "Fountain of Youth": Full Story - Fountain Of Youth and plenty more. Hope you enjoy these episodes! 👊🏻

  • @curniss5241
    @curniss5241 5 років тому

    Is there a part two to this video? What happens?! lol

    • @csjoeker
      @csjoeker 5 років тому +1

      he sends it. he's kilian

  • @prasetyoutomo
    @prasetyoutomo 5 років тому

    MANTEP!

  • @tomrankin2564
    @tomrankin2564 5 років тому +17

    Yep you are a legend, but I really think you need some help! Mental 👍🏻

  • @alessandropia1680
    @alessandropia1680 5 років тому

    Sicuramente un grande atleta, ma cosa ha a che fare una discesa come questa è come tante altre discese estreme con la bellezza dello sciare e dell'andar per monti?
    Al mio paese si dice, il troppo stroppia.

  • @Marc-nc9yv
    @Marc-nc9yv 4 роки тому

    That is just bat shit crazy

  • @labeckipiotrek
    @labeckipiotrek 5 років тому +13

    It's not skiing. Wanna see steep skiing? Watch "La Liste" with Jeremie Heitz.I't s still amazing though;)

    • @TheMrsannabel
      @TheMrsannabel 5 років тому +2

      Piotrek Labecki or zabardast

    • @RoyalPapy974
      @RoyalPapy974 5 років тому

      Vivian Bruchez or Paul Bonhomme ;)

  • @majkieltv2112
    @majkieltv2112 5 років тому

    Where's lobg material about Bargiel and K2 ride ??!!!

  • @chaosinternational3584
    @chaosinternational3584 4 роки тому +1

    Alright, now snow board down it

  • @jimmitomato555
    @jimmitomato555 5 років тому

    I love skiing, also climbing, but what was point of this?

    • @buggyvision7556
      @buggyvision7556 5 років тому

      to prove that its possibile ,to become a legend while alive...nothing more than that...

  • @matthieucomin4233
    @matthieucomin4233 5 років тому

    No drone?????

  • @vl8897
    @vl8897 5 років тому

    Супер

  • @vittorio6227
    @vittorio6227 5 років тому +1

    When you don't want to assume the role of father and try to find any excuse to die