@@radioheadyorke the classes are like 11 minutes for 'neutral' and 'disadvantage', and theyre by pros like zero and esam but you can easily get more in depth material from mockrock, bananaboy, or beefysmashdoods on youtube. The lessons are super vague and basic and not worth the money.
@@radioheadyorke There are no personal coaches for smash the website has courses on other games some with actual coaching but for smash it's just super basic guides and a few videos admittedly presented by pros but kinda half assed and rambly over very basic stuff when you can find way more helpful and better planned out videos on smah here for free. Smash is a super popular game w a bunch of ppl doing guides, you'd be paying for something lesser essentially just for it's association with pros not for the quality of the product
game and watch main here: the video doesn’t really discuss any of his matchups, i think it’s important to mention that he struggles against swordies and palutena/zss
I feel like not enough G&W’s crouch and play super defensive vs zss. It sounds simple, but ZSS struggles a lot vs. short characters. So playing a heavy mixup defensively spacing playstyle goes a long way when you put yourself in a position that’s hard to be attacked from out of the air. Esam made a video about crouching vs ZSS, it’s Sm4sh but a lot of what he said still apllies! Also, G&W does fine vs. swordies
I would argue Game & Watch is counter meta. Charachters like Pikachu, Inkling, Snake, Banjokazooie, and Olimar struggle immensly. He has a good chance against ZSS, Peach/Daisy, Fox/Wolf, Wario, and Palutena. But he can struggle with Bowser, Joker, Luci-Marth, Roy-Chrom, Links, Hero, and an experienced Shulk. The main advantage of Game and Watch is you leave your opponent scratching their head in neutral, as you can take it in 69 directions as long as you punish aerials with trampoline into n/u/bair, and punish whiffs with d smash into another smash (or judge hammer if your flexing). Although, I personally feel Key is overated for Game and Watch, especially when u can combo into better aerials... But I wouldn't disagree its a good landing tool to intimidate opponents with occasionally, or surprise kill with. And that is just because it doesnt telgraph its capabilities like Dedede,'s falling up B, or Yoshi's *Kabring POP*.
By The Campfire / 52K mr game and watch destroys bowser. He’s combo food. Joker is close to even though I think joker has the slight edge. G&w beats the links since he can invalidate their projectiles. Hero is entirely RNG so that MU is up in the air. Roy, despite having a sword, doesn’t really play like a swordie since he needs to get in close to do the best damage he can. I don’t really know much about this match up though. Leo thinks g&w vs Lucina is even, though I do think Lucina has the edge. I think g&w’s only notorious losses are ZSS, palutena, ike and Shulk.
People are so reluctant to put off the wall characters like pac man and g&w in top tier just because they dont play like other top tiers despite having VERY consistent results. Even more consistent than the likes of olimar, lucina, and pichu
One of the other problems is because they are quite difficult and very few people play them that mostly 1-2 people are getting results. I know 3 good pac mans players and I main him. I only know 1 really good game and watch player. It’s one of those things where are they really that good or are they just being carried by the player. Which it could be for pac man or game and watch even though I think pac is high tier and GaW are top tier.
The reason for that is because tier lists not only encompase viability, but also how necessary it is to know the match up. Outside of Maister and maybe Zackray now, you wont fight a G&W on bracket. Thus G&W can't be top tier if it's not "Mandatory to play them"
Having Mr. Game & Watch as my main for several releases now, I always wondered why others have not discovered just how great this fighter actually is. Much like Pichu G&W's greatest weakness is his own weight, but mastering his tool box can make him a deadly machine. G&W might have the best aerials in the game and that is a force to be reckoned with. His play style is literally a juggling act, reminiscent of his own juggling game. Mastering his aerials will juggle his opponents with ease.
maister inspired me to pick g&w up again for the first time since brawl and hoooo boy i'm love it. the bombs. the chairs. the n i n e s? ? ? when its a 1 you look real dumb, but a 9? jeez the power. anyway maister rocks
I really don’t understand how people are complaining that G&W is difficult to play- his moves are straight-forward and don’t require specific controlled aiming, and he doesn’t have many “tricks” you’d have to learn outside of gameplay. His combos are repetitive and very easy to pull off. He’s light, but his moves are extremely powerful and it’s very easy to rack up damage, and he has more killing moves than in previous games (forward air was mentioned, but also side tilt and down tilt can easily kill). Plus, he has one of the best recoveries in the game.
I think this video pretty adequately summed up why he's probably not top tier . Low weight and no reliable kill confirms are a problem when most of the usual top tier suspects have kill throws, easy kill setups, and/or a strong, fast aerial they can safely fish for kills with. If they just fixed the latter by making up throw kill at more reasonable percents (Like 130-150%) I could honestly see him being top tier.
@@callinater6133 His kill power is fine, but he has to commit to most of his kill moves and doesn't really have anything he can just safely throw out until his opponent slips up like, say, Fox's nair/bair. I suppose he can't have everything, though. His ground punish game is at least insanely brutal due to down smash into whatever being a thing.
G&W main here. Mr. Game & Watch isn’t top tier, but he’s pretty good. He’s high tier. He has good attacks, but is one of the lightest characters in the game, and some of his attacks have poor range. G&W really struggles against most sword characters, and characters with insane grab combos (like Palutena and ZSS)
At first, I thought Mr. Game & Watch would be a high or mid tier character. But after watching this video, I could see why he should be top tier. He makes pretty good combos and he's not really spammable or easy. Personally, I main Mr. Game & Watch and I do agree with this video.
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Probably because what you want to pick up is influenced by the characters popularity in the community, so when a character gets popular, you want to pick them up and videos start coming out
I'm a Game and Watch Main and here are my thoughts. I MISS Cake Box. I do get some few results out of the bomb 1/4 of the time, which sucks. His Up Air used to be disrespectful ish and it was satisfying to hit, and the windbox would be useful from time to time. The new one is weaker, but easier to hit and racks up damage quick. In my opinion, the removal of Down tilts windbox is kinda disheartening, but it only worked on Little Mac so whatevs. With this being said, I feel as if the bomb need a buff because it can be unbearable to use it, other than that, all of its attacks are amazing! Up Special, Up Air, Up Smash, Neutral Air, Down Smash, Side Tilt, Dow Tilt, Side Smash, Down Special, Back Air, and some of them combo on to eachother! He is a glass canon but his tools make up for it and how hard it is to punish him. The only thing I really don't like tho is how the Hammer isn't necessary anymore. It is funny when you get a 9, and there's some uses for 6, 7, and 8, but like, you have no reason to use those with the other tools that GW has. Also why do people say King Dedede is low tier. I have pretty good results with him and he's considered my second main. Although I am and high school and nowhere near a professional. I am able to beat my friends who are decent at the game 50 to 70% of the time using King Dedede. I haven't used him in a while and when I do use him, I either win or get close.
As a mister game & watch main, I was worried he would end up nerfed when Ultimate came out with his new forward air (even if I liked it) and up smash propreties But now with so much videos asking if Game & Watch is OP, I feel proud of my flat boi! Although I hope he doesn't get nerfed to oblivion in the next patch or something...
People doubted Mr. Game & Watch. But not me, I always believed in him. Now that he's being looked as a thread, people are calling me a tier whore. Bruh, I've always mained GW since Brawl. I knew this guy will be good since his Ultimate changes will make him good.
I feel like every time a person does good with a character someone is gonna say that the character is op. Just like joker. Joker is not that strong. It’s just the Leo is playing to his strengths and no one seems to realize jokers weaknesses.
Mr. Game and Watch is EASILY top tier! He has so many good matchups and deals so much damage. He absolutely destroys Snake and Palutena and his bad matchups like Shulk or Lucina aren’t tournament relevant.
Just a reminder that the whole personal coaching service thing is a total scam, don't buy it
@@radioheadyorke the classes are like 11 minutes for 'neutral' and 'disadvantage', and theyre by pros like zero and esam but you can easily get more in depth material from mockrock, bananaboy, or beefysmashdoods on youtube. The lessons are super vague and basic and not worth the money.
@@radioheadyorke There are no personal coaches for smash the website has courses on other games some with actual coaching but for smash it's just super basic guides and a few videos admittedly presented by pros but kinda half assed and rambly over very basic stuff when you can find way more helpful and better planned out videos on smah here for free.
Smash is a super popular game w a bunch of ppl doing guides, you'd be paying for something lesser essentially just for it's association with pros not for the quality of the product
A Kid oh so it’s a scam I wasn’t gonna do it anyway lol
Octopus Wilson 🧢
chapa_is_the_best 1 lol
game and watch main here: the video doesn’t really discuss any of his matchups, i think it’s important to mention that he struggles against swordies and palutena/zss
Ian
laughs in nairo
He does fine vs swordies
Palutena is do able as Game and watch, ZSS is hard fight and Lucina .
I feel like not enough G&W’s crouch and play super defensive vs zss. It sounds simple, but ZSS struggles a lot vs. short characters. So playing a heavy mixup defensively spacing playstyle goes a long way when you put yourself in a position that’s hard to be attacked from out of the air. Esam made a video about crouching vs ZSS, it’s Sm4sh but a lot of what he said still apllies! Also, G&W does fine vs. swordies
I fear no man
But that thing
*ike stabs sword into the ground*
It scares me
Title:"Actually top tier?!?"
Well then, I guess everyones top tier according to how many titles I've seen
Ban Kirby he has 6 jumps.
@@alphawolf6160 what?
@@nickp3402 6 jumps is OP, therefore Kirby is broken. :kappa:
I would argue Game & Watch is counter meta.
Charachters like Pikachu, Inkling, Snake, Banjokazooie, and Olimar struggle immensly. He has a good chance against ZSS, Peach/Daisy, Fox/Wolf, Wario, and Palutena.
But he can struggle with Bowser, Joker, Luci-Marth, Roy-Chrom, Links, Hero, and an experienced Shulk.
The main advantage of Game and Watch is you leave your opponent scratching their head in neutral, as you can take it in 69 directions as long as you punish aerials with trampoline into n/u/bair, and punish whiffs with d smash into another smash (or judge hammer if your flexing).
Although, I personally feel Key is overated for Game and Watch, especially when u can combo into better aerials... But I wouldn't disagree its a good landing tool to intimidate opponents with occasionally, or surprise kill with. And that is just because it doesnt telgraph its capabilities like Dedede,'s falling up B, or Yoshi's *Kabring POP*.
By The Campfire / 52K mr game and watch destroys bowser. He’s combo food.
Joker is close to even though I think joker has the slight edge.
G&w beats the links since he can invalidate their projectiles.
Hero is entirely RNG so that MU is up in the air.
Roy, despite having a sword, doesn’t really play like a swordie since he needs to get in close to do the best damage he can. I don’t really know much about this match up though.
Leo thinks g&w vs Lucina is even, though I do think Lucina has the edge.
I think g&w’s only notorious losses are ZSS, palutena, ike and Shulk.
People are so reluctant to put off the wall characters like pac man and g&w in top tier just because they dont play like other top tiers despite having VERY consistent results. Even more consistent than the likes of olimar, lucina, and pichu
One of the other problems is because they are quite difficult and very few people play them that mostly 1-2 people are getting results. I know 3 good pac mans players and I main him. I only know 1 really good game and watch player. It’s one of those things where are they really that good or are they just being carried by the player. Which it could be for pac man or game and watch even though I think pac is high tier and GaW are top tier.
The reason for that is because tier lists not only encompase viability, but also how necessary it is to know the match up. Outside of Maister and maybe Zackray now, you wont fight a G&W on bracket. Thus G&W can't be top tier if it's not "Mandatory to play them"
Probably also the reason why people dislike them. Which is disappointing for me since I've been playing him for a very long time.
Anthony Turner the same can be said about Pikachu and joker.
I don't like fighting him, but I LOVE watching Maister playing with him. Same for Pac-Man and Tea :p
Sammmeeee, go off ✨
MD • YOSMA same
I love Tea
@@vendetta8449 Everyone loves Tea. He's so kind and funny, and has a really good Pac-Man ^^
Is this even a question? He is flat out the best character in the series
I see what you did there just a whole year later
Oh booooo. lol
"Flat out"
I get the joke but he is really deserves s tier with joker
His FAir was a box?
I thought it was a film set clapper board.
I know it's a bomb now.
I'm talking about melee/Brawl/4 G&W
@Arman Torruellas He means melee Fair shit for brains
crate full of bottles from mario Bros.
What about a credit card
Why’s this video more of a tutorial then the meta discussion I thought it would be...
it's called proGUIDES
@Warukuma yeah for sure, and I agree with you, but they need to discuss the meta, not a tutorial
Who here mains G&W
(Like me)
Edit: OMG I was't expecting this many people to main G&W
Edit 2:OMG thanks for 100 likes and not leaving my main :-)
Hell yeah
Since the wii version brother
How do you do, fellow Top Tiers?
Mained him since brawl
I’ve maimed him for a while, any tips how to effectively combo with the bucket. Can’t figure out how to use the bucket
here's a summary for you:
up b out of shield
I wouldn’t say top tier like the best, but definitely really good and underrated
He’s definitely an A seems the awkward characters got some love. Both G&W and PAC-Man got love in this game
I would say Low A tier, I definitely main him and the only weakness I can see is him being light.
PK His Fair is 50/50 for me it’s both good and bad. It’s bad cause it cancels if they bomb or Game And Watch are hit. Tbh I preferred the credit card.
@@Fishofmanyhonor yeah same prefer credit card for that mircopoints
PK Just imagine if Ganondorf had G&W smash frames. GG rest of the cast.
"STOP USING SIDE B"
me: ⬅️+🅱️
Can G&M get his classic victory melody in melee back? I love it back then.
Always been a game and watch main. He struggles against sword boys but can overwhelm heavy slow characters
Easily one of the most frustrating character to play against.
Even though i play him, its still frustrating to me
I love him for that
Game and Watch isn't a high tier in smash. He's a high tier in the Game and Watch matchup.
I could agree with him being top tier
I was playing as G&W against a Lucas in elite and he hit me with pk freeze and he jumped to hit me with an Ariel and I got a nine
lol
Having Mr. Game & Watch as my main for several releases now, I always wondered why others have not discovered just how great this fighter actually is. Much like Pichu G&W's greatest weakness is his own weight, but mastering his tool box can make him a deadly machine. G&W might have the best aerials in the game and that is a force to be reckoned with.
His play style is literally a juggling act, reminiscent of his own juggling game. Mastering his aerials will juggle his opponents with ease.
like up b
I've always said he's a high tier
ok
maister inspired me to pick g&w up again for the first time since brawl and hoooo boy i'm love it. the bombs. the chairs. the n i n e s? ? ? when its a 1 you look real dumb, but a 9? jeez the power. anyway maister rocks
*WHAT DO YA MEAN “ACTUALLY”*
Neutral B is really effective against heavies
I really don’t understand how people are complaining that G&W is difficult to play- his moves are straight-forward and don’t require specific controlled aiming, and he doesn’t have many “tricks” you’d have to learn outside of gameplay. His combos are repetitive and very easy to pull off. He’s light, but his moves are extremely powerful and it’s very easy to rack up damage, and he has more killing moves than in previous games (forward air was mentioned, but also side tilt and down tilt can easily kill). Plus, he has one of the best recoveries in the game.
I love mr. game and watch he is my favorite he is a top tier
I think this video pretty adequately summed up why he's probably not top tier
.
Low weight and no reliable kill confirms are a problem when most of the usual top tier suspects have kill throws, easy kill setups, and/or a strong, fast aerial they can safely fish for kills with.
If they just fixed the latter by making up throw kill at more reasonable percents (Like 130-150%) I could honestly see him being top tier.
Mr game and watch has great kill power what do you mean?
@@callinater6133 His kill power is fine, but he has to commit to most of his kill moves and doesn't really have anything he can just safely throw out until his opponent slips up like, say, Fox's nair/bair.
I suppose he can't have everything, though. His ground punish game is at least insanely brutal due to down smash into whatever being a thing.
“Game and watch has no kill throws”
Me: *laughs in dthrow at 250*
G&W main here. Mr. Game & Watch isn’t top tier, but he’s pretty good. He’s high tier.
He has good attacks, but is one of the lightest characters in the game, and some of his attacks have poor range.
G&W really struggles against most sword characters, and characters with insane grab combos (like Palutena and ZSS)
He’s definitely not mid tier if he’s constantly getting great results at majors.
He actually has more kill confirms, fast fall nair If hit correctly can combo into f tilt and down tilt. And they’re both really great at killing
No, maister is just good
and I’m a G&W main
At first, I thought Mr. Game & Watch would be a high or mid tier character. But after watching this video, I could see why he should be top tier. He makes pretty good combos and he's not really spammable or easy. Personally, I main Mr. Game & Watch and I do agree with this video.
up b
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Mr game and watch is so good
This man’s grab is freakish
ugh I wish I could have made this guide
I personally find your analysis more helpful
You can hit Nair without the final hit into ftilt or down tilt
Now, people would ignore me like ever soo... *Deep Breath* Little Mac Is Actually Low Tier?
SomeoneWithJ yes
No
He's bottom tier
I don’t care how good he is, feels like I’m playing at 2fps
At max 5fps
Hm it feels like I'm playing Smash Ultimate
Silver smort
Silver that doesn’t work here. Smash ultimate is very consistently 60fps.
@@callinater6133
Not online
No one talked about numbers on his side b or bucket?
this was 9 months ago and they were kinda onto something when making this video
He is at least a High Mid Tier.
Hes at least high tier lol
maister is the entire reason why this video was made :D
Pk fire
I just gave everyone flashbacks
Game & Watch does have a kill throw, downthrow at around 160-200 is one.
It's not a good kill throw if it's not killing before 150%
Edit: at those percentages, you have better safer options
@@BladexZero12 That is true, if he didn't have that kill throw it wouldn't make much of a difference to his metagame
Nah, only up b is top tier.
Buddy you forgot to mention how a lot of characters cant deal with chef at ledge or how chef doesn't stale unless you purposely stop using it.
I thought the cake box was a thick metal bar
And 4th at summit
1:38 Is it bad that i thought it was a wooden plank?
It’s sooooo fun to see basically everyone’s final smash fail on G&W, all it takes is an up B.
To make people online hate you yeah is worth maining him.
Why is it that every time I start wanting to pick up a character there are recent videos saying how good they are.
Probably because what you want to pick up is influenced by the characters popularity in the community, so when a character gets popular, you want to pick them up and videos start coming out
Just pick pick up puff
Fyi downthrow kills at a high enough %
I'm a Game and Watch Main and here are my thoughts. I MISS Cake Box. I do get some few results out of the bomb 1/4 of the time, which sucks. His Up Air used to be disrespectful ish and it was satisfying to hit, and the windbox would be useful from time to time. The new one is weaker, but easier to hit and racks up damage quick. In my opinion, the removal of Down tilts windbox is kinda disheartening, but it only worked on Little Mac so whatevs. With this being said, I feel as if the bomb need a buff because it can be unbearable to use it, other than that, all of its attacks are amazing! Up Special, Up Air, Up Smash, Neutral Air, Down Smash, Side Tilt, Dow Tilt, Side Smash, Down Special, Back Air, and some of them combo on to eachother! He is a glass canon but his tools make up for it and how hard it is to punish him. The only thing I really don't like tho is how the Hammer isn't necessary anymore. It is funny when you get a 9, and there's some uses for 6, 7, and 8, but like, you have no reason to use those with the other tools that GW has. Also why do people say King Dedede is low tier. I have pretty good results with him and he's considered my second main. Although I am and high school and nowhere near a professional. I am able to beat my friends who are decent at the game 50 to 70% of the time using King Dedede. I haven't used him in a while and when I do use him, I either win or get close.
Bruh just before watching this, I was playing as mr.game and watch
I always thought his fair was a suitcase
No wonder, Mrs game and watch is a veteran and in the past he was light weight Nintendo champion.
As a mister game & watch main, I was worried he would end up nerfed when Ultimate came out with his new forward air (even if I liked it) and up smash propreties
But now with so much videos asking if Game & Watch is OP, I feel proud of my flat boi! Although I hope he doesn't get nerfed to oblivion in the next patch or something...
I would lose my shit if he did get nerfed. He doesn't deserve a nerf, he is fine.
The thing about mr game and watch- he is good if you know how to use him.
yes
People doubted Mr. Game & Watch. But not me, I always believed in him. Now that he's being looked as a thread, people are calling me a tier whore. Bruh, I've always mained GW since Brawl. I knew this guy will be good since his Ultimate changes will make him good.
I'm a game n watch main and I kinda like his new fair
I feel like every time a person does good with a character someone is gonna say that the character is op. Just like joker. Joker is not that strong. It’s just the Leo is playing to his strengths and no one seems to realize jokers weaknesses.
And Zero put him below Little Mac-
I feel like mr game and watch is a swordie without a sword
Ironic cuz he loses to nearly every swordie
Mr. Game And Watch can be described in 2 words
Glass cannon
I love Mr. Game and Watch! My main ❤
I am a game and watch main and I was before i knew of mister but I will never get to his level of play
I used to be game and watch main so...
Not even seen the video yet but yes he is
jab 1 out of shield into grab down throw side b
Now an interesting question: is Jigglypuff now high-tier, or even just mid-tier?
He's pretty good, I'd say he's a high high tier. (Yes, you read that right)
Mr. Game and Watch is EASILY top tier! He has so many good matchups and deals so much damage. He absolutely destroys Snake and Palutena and his bad matchups like Shulk or Lucina aren’t tournament relevant.
I thought his FAir was just a thing that hurt
no kill throws?
*coughs in down throw*
if he is used right he is really good
He does have a kill throw tho. It's down throw.
It's happening...
"Wait, G&W was a top tier?"
"Always has been"
How do you do fellow top tiers
I mostly use Mr game and watch because he is useful
Did you guys really put hero in b teir? Hes broken.
Yes
Yeah
Can you do one with mario?
he is
My main always
Yes.
It’s kinda hard to play him tho
*TOOT TOOT*
It's a dice roll.
Game and watch is mid to high high-tier
Imo
Hes A tier
There’s a 1 in 9 chance that Game & Watch is top tier.
I am a game and watch main
He's the G.O.A.T.
Yes yes he is top tier
Mr game and watch is op
Quick answer: no
Long answer: lol no
Teh Quick Answer:Hell nah
Long Answer: Of course he’s top tier