Meta Knight was still good in Smash 4, doubly so before his upair got nerfed. But Ultimate Bayonetta? All you have to do is hold shield and her gameplan falls apart.
@@KingKalashnikov I mean, Ultimate MK is easily his worst iteration in Smash as a whole. His tier placement reflects that too, as everyone I've seen either places him at mid or low tier.
I always loved Meta Knight for his cool design, and his broken-beyond-repair gameplay in Brawl accentuated my liking for him even more. He seemed like the perfect rival to Kirby. However, one of my biggest caveats I have with using him in Smash is how all of his Special Moves cause him to free fall. Admittedly, he kinda needed the nerf, but it was more severe than I initially thought.
At least I think his down B is better than it used to be. Also, Side B is more accurate to use now that it is slower. And Meta Knight still has some of the best abilities to return to stage as well as do tricks at the ledge.
As a middle schooler I had no console or PC to play real games. Just flash games on a mac. All my friends had consoles and what not. At a huge sleepover party, we started playing smash brawl. I thought meta knight looked cool and so I joined in and after a few rounds of getting used to a new game, I was constantly dominating and winning for the rest of the night and the next morning. It was so much fun making the kids that owned the game in the first place rage quit to the new guy who just so happened to think the most broken character looked the coolest. I will never forget about that even though it seems like such a long time ago and is a distant memory
Meta knight being op in brawl really fit him even if it was most likely unintentional as the game was made to be more of a party game and not have glitches people could exploit for the competitive scene. Meta knight is a highly expected sword fighter likely the strongest in all of smash lore wise and I feel that he should be made to reflect that. Every stroke of his blade should feel like an experienced slash and everyone of his moves should reflect his power. He may not be the best character in smash ultimatel but he's surely left his mark on smash history.
He was my main since brawl, and Ganondorf although Ganondorf was so hard to main for me to master bc he was so slow and got punished easily but Meta Knight he will always be my main
Thanks for finally including those comp player's into smash history. They did bad things but their accomplishments were real and did much for the game and influence others.
It would be damn near impossible to do Meta knight without mentioning zero alone since he was one of the best mains during the latter half of brawl and obv mkleo’s best Meta knight smash 4 wins were against zero.. sucks what our history is but it is what it is
Not to pull anyone’s strings, but can you all, maybe, explain what happened? I used to watch top-tier players on YT, but then things had changed. I.g.: Both ZeRo and Nairo had gotten themselves banned. I don’t know why yet. :/
@@fluffyadit7899 I believe Zero knowingly asked an underage girl online to share nude photos so that got him banned. Nairo was banned but then reversed banned since people found out CaptainZack was manipulating the situation that occurred. The original accusation was that since Zack was underage Nairo had a relationship with him. In truth Nairo was drunk and assaulted by Zack and then blackmailed. Nairo is unbanned but Twitch has not unbanned his twitch account, which makes it impossible for him to compete in future live tournaments as Twitch has not responded yet to the unban and has a policy of channels not allowed to show the banned people. Nairo now streams on youtube and will probably only be able to stream with friends when they comeover, but not at the same time that they are streaming. Nairo also can't compete so for time being he is retired unless something in the future changes his banned status on twitch.
IcaDRA15 About a year ago a bunch of smashers were uncovered as pedos. ZeRo and Nairo were among them (though some of them like Nairo have had their bans become much more controversial as of late)
Man as a kid I really wanted Metaknight to be in smash, so happy he made it into Brawl. Did not expect him to be as broken as he was in Brawl, but he was very fyn due to how much you could do with him.
Meta Knight...had a very rocky road. His Ultimate version however is quite fairly balanced, requiring proper skill to fully utilize. Also his Galacta and Dark skins are really cool!
Just because you put a trigger warning at the beginning of the video instead of straight out not mentioning these banned players as usual, you have my respect. Edit : And my sub :)
Brawl: Easily the best character in the game and probably the most powerful Smash character in history (altho there is an argument for Smash 4 Bayonetta being better, I'm personally in the Meta Knight camp) 4: Still extremely good, tho not as powerful as his Brawl counterpart. He was essentially dash attack and up air the character, along with having great ledge guarding abilities. Would be a top 10 until the DLC characters came out, but even then, MK was still pretty good against the DLC. Ultimate: Was very underwhelming at the start, often landing in low tier on most tier lists. MK has since gotten very few results in tournaments but he does have some potential to rise, along with getting a few buffs. MK is now often considered a mid tier character in many tier lists and could potentially rise further thanks to his amazing ledge guarding being just as good, if not better than some of the current top tiers. He could rise to high tier but for that to happen, there is going to need to be a seriously good, talented, and dedicated player getting extremely good results in tournaments.
Dang, I did not realize Meta Knight was like that in Brawl. The main thing being the sword range being so oddly disjointed. Also, "relatively early on" for Smash Ultimate's meta... I am not sure about that. Once all the DLC releases, who knows what happens. Nintendo may try to release another Smash against Sakurai's wishes and do it without him. In my opinion, that would be a terrible scenario, but it seems really appealing for Nintendo money-wise, especially with how selfish they have been. But I do hope that we see another 3 years of this game or something because there is still so much more for us to explore once the patches finally stabilize.
I’ve had brawl since I was a baby, I Mained meta knight but Since I was young I was TRASH and just held 1 on the wii remote Luckily now I’m playing him in smash ultimate!
@@alphakrab5022 While it may appear that way, I actually just do narrations. That being said, me and the rest of the current team work much closer on projects now than we used to which might help to explain why quality has been better overall lol
@@BONKfrys Actually, I haven't seen any change in the quality of Proguides videos. And nobody mentioned it in this conversation, I don't know why you brought that up. Anyway, it was a joke :)
@@alphakrab5022 Lol I'm just acknowledging that the recent videos (barring the tier list) have been much more well-received than the previous ones while I was living in LA with a different team. It's kind of just an objective observation, but if you have any feedback for us, we'd love to hear it.
Shoutouts to Yei for almost single-handedly reviving interest in this character in Ultimate thank to his insane run at Smash Vertex (No shade to you, BONK!, but you gotta admit Yei was really impressive, right?).
I think the only thing Meta Knight needs is a better down tilt. I think Meta Knight playing linear or being seriously broken does not make him truly meta. The disjoint on Meta Knight's sword and the lack of startup on side B in Brawl was ridiculous and makes it look like an unfinished game when compared to how Meta Knight plays now. And with Smash 4, Meta Knight only used one game plan for the most part, which is not how complex Meta Knight should play.
@@sigurdtheblue I mean, MK right now can barely says has hitboxes. They're mostly tiny and last for, at best, TWO frames, with a lot of them being just one. Not to mention he has almost Sheik like DPH, although Sheik is at least extremely fast and has insane safety in basically everything. Not to mention trying to use Mach Tornado off stage and bouncing off the ledge.
If Bonk vs Tweek wasn't the start of many break out performances then I don't know what is. *MK B META* and I can't wait to start competing in offline.
Now, here's the advantage of Ultimate being your first Smash game and maining Meta Knight there: You already figured out strategies that work for what seems to be the weakest version of Meta Knight. You'll only go up if you get an earlier smash game.
People often compare Brawl MK to Sm4sh Bayo. While they were both objectively busted and meta dominating, MK was great for Brawl, while Bayo was horrible for Sm4sh. I say this because, like the video mentions, despite how oppressive MK is in Brawl, he is still a very high skill, expressive character. While Bayo on the other hand is flowcharting: the character. MK doesn't touch you once or just press down B and kill you for it, Bayo does. Brawl MK was incredibly fun to play, and fun to watch, Bayo was neither of those. I liken Bayo to Brawl ICs. Get grabbed once and you die. Extremely unfun for everyone involved. I often wonder if Brawl MK would still be broken if he was modded into Ultimate, gliding and all.
Fair, but that was because Brawl’s mechanics didn’t allow for free flow combos. Revert his stats back to those of brawl with ultimate’s engine, and he too will be 0 to deathing off a single won exchange in neutral. He already could do that to an extent in sm4sh from the looks of it.
I really love this character but I just can't play him online anymore. I personally think he can be a high high tier in the Meta because if people think bayo is good then MK is SSS tier. MK B META (not my MK but still, also ROB B RAD) also can't wait for offline tournaments, might use him and online poopy
More damage on his aerials would kill his combo game. He desperately needs a standing grab range buff, up tilt needs a scoop hitbox (it literally cannot hit some characters while you are in jostle range) and it would be cool if they made its FaF better. Up-Smash is also pretty bad. Everything else about the character is perfectly acceptable, but if I had to pick something to buff, it'd be his horizontal air-speed, to allow him to more reliably follow DI on combos.
Bayonetta mains: Look what they did to me from Smash 4!
Meta Knight: *Am I a joke to you?*
Meta Knight was still good in Smash 4, doubly so before his upair got nerfed.
But Ultimate Bayonetta? All you have to do is hold shield and her gameplan falls apart.
@@KingKalashnikov I mean, Ultimate MK is easily his worst iteration in Smash as a whole. His tier placement reflects that too, as everyone I've seen either places him at mid or low tier.
@@c.k.harrower8672 Ah, by the way your comment was written I assumed you were talking about Sm4sh MK being gutted.
Carry on
Meta Knight Mains be like: Oh boohoo, let me play you a sad song for ya on the world's smallest violin.
@@adrianmarc5430 Bayonetta Mains: “This is serious!”
I always loved Meta Knight for his cool design, and his broken-beyond-repair gameplay in Brawl accentuated my liking for him even more. He seemed like the perfect rival to Kirby. However, one of my biggest caveats I have with using him in Smash is how all of his Special Moves cause him to free fall. Admittedly, he kinda needed the nerf, but it was more severe than I initially thought.
At least I think his down B is better than it used to be. Also, Side B is more accurate to use now that it is slower. And Meta Knight still has some of the best abilities to return to stage as well as do tricks at the ledge.
You can just hear Bonk's passion for MK bleeding into his voiceover.
I really wanted this one to be good🥺
It kinda feels funny to listen to Bonk explaining this so explicately lol
As a middle schooler I had no console or PC to play real games. Just flash games on a mac. All my friends had consoles and what not.
At a huge sleepover party, we started playing smash brawl. I thought meta knight looked cool and so I joined in and after a few rounds of getting used to a new game, I was constantly dominating and winning for the rest of the night and the next morning. It was so much fun making the kids that owned the game in the first place rage quit to the new guy who just so happened to think the most broken character looked the coolest. I will never forget about that even though it seems like such a long time ago and is a distant memory
Always loved Meta Knight as a kid, and even more now as an adult. He's my main through thick and thin.
Meta knight being op in brawl really fit him even if it was most likely unintentional as the game was made to be more of a party game and not have glitches people could exploit for the competitive scene.
Meta knight is a highly expected sword fighter likely the strongest in all of smash lore wise and I feel that he should be made to reflect that.
Every stroke of his blade should feel like an experienced slash and everyone of his moves should reflect his power.
He may not be the best character in smash ultimatel but he's surely left his mark on smash history.
Shulk isn't really good with a sword, he's a weapon researcher first, its more what the monado does for him.
@Monish Gandhi very true
I agree with you but if the characters were as strong as they are lore wise, nobody would stand a chance against Kirby (and I really want to see that)
If smash were lore-based RPG characters would be extremely powerfull and everyone else a low tier
He was my main since brawl, and Ganondorf although Ganondorf was so hard to main for me to master bc he was so slow and got punished easily but Meta Knight he will always be my main
Honestly, despite how broken he was, brawl meta knight was really cool.
Let's go another competitive history video
I am so glad they are still doing this series.
I was worried they had stopped it.
Looking forward to the history of King Dedede and Wario.
wadi fans be like
Brawl: pretty good
Smash 4: trash and they nerfed him
Ultimate: ok to kinda of bad
@@ReverseKitty we’re talking about king dedede not mk
Meta Knight in Smash 4: I cannot glide anymore.
Steve: Haha 😂
Thanks for finally including those comp player's into smash history. They did bad things but their accomplishments were real and did much for the game and influence others.
It would be damn near impossible to do Meta knight without mentioning zero alone since he was one of the best mains during the latter half of brawl and obv mkleo’s best Meta knight smash 4 wins were against zero.. sucks what our history is but it is what it is
Not to pull anyone’s strings, but can you all, maybe, explain what happened? I used to watch top-tier players on YT, but then things had changed. I.g.: Both ZeRo and Nairo had gotten themselves banned. I don’t know why yet. :/
@@fluffyadit7899 I believe Zero knowingly asked an underage girl online to share nude photos so that got him banned. Nairo was banned but then reversed banned since people found out CaptainZack was manipulating the situation that occurred. The original accusation was that since Zack was underage Nairo had a relationship with him. In truth Nairo was drunk and assaulted by Zack and then blackmailed. Nairo is unbanned but Twitch has not unbanned his twitch account, which makes it impossible for him to compete in future live tournaments as Twitch has not responded yet to the unban and has a policy of channels not allowed to show the banned people. Nairo now streams on youtube and will probably only be able to stream with friends when they comeover, but not at the same time that they are streaming. Nairo also can't compete so for time being he is retired unless something in the future changes his banned status on twitch.
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IcaDRA15 About a year ago a bunch of smashers were uncovered as pedos. ZeRo and Nairo were among them (though some of them like Nairo have had their bans become much more controversial as of late)
Man as a kid I really wanted Metaknight to be in smash, so happy he made it into Brawl. Did not expect him to be as broken as he was in Brawl, but he was very fyn due to how much you could do with him.
Meta Knight...had a very rocky road. His Ultimate version however is quite fairly balanced, requiring proper skill to fully utilize. Also his Galacta and Dark skins are really cool!
Just because you put a trigger warning at the beginning of the video instead of straight out not mentioning these banned players as usual, you have my respect.
Edit : And my sub :)
Brawl: Easily the best character in the game and probably the most powerful Smash character in history (altho there is an argument for Smash 4 Bayonetta being better, I'm personally in the Meta Knight camp)
4: Still extremely good, tho not as powerful as his Brawl counterpart. He was essentially dash attack and up air the character, along with having great ledge guarding abilities. Would be a top 10 until the DLC characters came out, but even then, MK was still pretty good against the DLC.
Ultimate: Was very underwhelming at the start, often landing in low tier on most tier lists. MK has since gotten very few results in tournaments but he does have some potential to rise, along with getting a few buffs. MK is now often considered a mid tier character in many tier lists and could potentially rise further thanks to his amazing ledge guarding being just as good, if not better than some of the current top tiers. He could rise to high tier but for that to happen, there is going to need to be a seriously good, talented, and dedicated player getting extremely good results in tournaments.
Can’t wait to see Leo bring this character back
Bonk! My favorite Smash Ultimate player! I love your Meta Knight man. Keep up the great work.
Brawl Meta Knight: exists
Ice Climbers: *Hope you don't mind getting grabbed pardner*
I Hope ultimate meta knight Will be at least in High tier at One point
I miss Ito..
😔
Banned?
@@wolfdragox5563 Seems to be a Smash 4 Meta Knight who dropped Smash entirely early into Ultimate.
This is actually an insanely grounded and objective perspective. I agree with Mid tier being a safe placement.
Ngl the fact that meta knight could take stocks earlier than ganon but hit like sheik in smash 4 was hilarious
Thx by far my favourite Video series
Oh meds Knight how you feel hard my friend
Omggg you guys finally brought this back!!
Yes I always love meta knight
~he's all you ever wanted; you can win a set now, even if you never won it...~
Metaknight still da bess.
I used to use Meta Knight a lot in smash 4 and I still enjoy him now. He's not one of my mains anymore tho
My friend:Let’s play some brawl
Me remembering that he is a Meta Knight main:”Vietnam War Flashbacks
Haha monke baseball thing
Dang, I did not realize Meta Knight was like that in Brawl. The main thing being the sword range being so oddly disjointed. Also, "relatively early on" for Smash Ultimate's meta... I am not sure about that. Once all the DLC releases, who knows what happens. Nintendo may try to release another Smash against Sakurai's wishes and do it without him. In my opinion, that would be a terrible scenario, but it seems really appealing for Nintendo money-wise, especially with how selfish they have been. But I do hope that we see another 3 years of this game or something because there is still so much more for us to explore once the patches finally stabilize.
Abadango recently got second at a major with Meta Knight, hopefully a sign of things to come
notice bonk! is the speaker, bonk! is 2nd best meta knight player in ultimate
I’ve had brawl since I was a baby, I Mained meta knight but Since I was young I was TRASH and just held 1 on the wii remote
Luckily now I’m playing him in smash ultimate!
You should do the competitive history for Bowser.
This is my favorite smash content tbh
I guess BONK! runs Pro Guides now.
He always has.
@@alphakrab5022 While it may appear that way, I actually just do narrations. That being said, me and the rest of the current team work much closer on projects now than we used to which might help to explain why quality has been better overall lol
@@BONKfrys Actually, I haven't seen any change in the quality of Proguides videos. And nobody mentioned it in this conversation, I don't know why you brought that up.
Anyway, it was a joke :)
@@alphakrab5022 Lol I'm just acknowledging that the recent videos (barring the tier list) have been much more well-received than the previous ones while I was living in LA with a different team. It's kind of just an objective observation, but if you have any feedback for us, we'd love to hear it.
@@BONKfrys whens the next stream bonk
Shoutouts to Yei for almost single-handedly reviving interest in this character in Ultimate thank to his insane run at Smash Vertex (No shade to you, BONK!, but you gotta admit Yei was really impressive, right?).
Finally after all these months this series has returned
I'm looking forward to competitive history of Sonic and Donkey Kong (and possibly Dr. Mario).
MK just SCREAMS “look how they massacred my boy”.
I think the only thing Meta Knight needs is a better down tilt. I think Meta Knight playing linear or being seriously broken does not make him truly meta. The disjoint on Meta Knight's sword and the lack of startup on side B in Brawl was ridiculous and makes it look like an unfinished game when compared to how Meta Knight plays now. And with Smash 4, Meta Knight only used one game plan for the most part, which is not how complex Meta Knight should play.
@@sigurdtheblue I mean, MK right now can barely says has hitboxes. They're mostly tiny and last for, at best, TWO frames, with a lot of them being just one. Not to mention he has almost Sheik like DPH, although Sheik is at least extremely fast and has insane safety in basically everything. Not to mention trying to use Mach Tornado off stage and bouncing off the ledge.
Do the competitive history of Sonic next
The series is back!
Metaknight could also chain grab and turn completely invisible in brawl.
What did the Meta Knight player slither hunter thing get banned
The fact that MK got a Competitive story video before Captain Falcon is crazy...
If Bonk vs Tweek wasn't the start of many break out performances then I don't know what is. *MK B META* and I can't wait to start competing in offline.
I did not know Bonk had such an insane voice
Meta knight 4 life, top tier!
I thought you guys had already made this video. I guess they didn't lol, it's still really cool that they made it.
14:25 i know thats Richter but is that True?? Will that work on any character? Or was that bad DI?
at 4:17 how can somebody have a golden frieza avatar in 2009 oO
Wish Sakurai wasnt so scared of brawl mk so he could be good again and not a mid tier
I can honestly say with confidence, no character will ever take Meta Knight’s #1 trophy ever again.
Basically Metaknight received the Kirby treatment, better than Kirby, but he went from God to peasant
Now, here's the advantage of Ultimate being your first Smash game and maining Meta Knight there: You already figured out strategies that work for what seems to be the weakest version of Meta Knight. You'll only go up if you get an earlier smash game.
Imagine a Brawl Meta Knight vs Steve from Ultimate.
The best character
People often compare Brawl MK to Sm4sh Bayo. While they were both objectively busted and meta dominating, MK was great for Brawl, while Bayo was horrible for Sm4sh. I say this because, like the video mentions, despite how oppressive MK is in Brawl, he is still a very high skill, expressive character. While Bayo on the other hand is flowcharting: the character. MK doesn't touch you once or just press down B and kill you for it, Bayo does. Brawl MK was incredibly fun to play, and fun to watch, Bayo was neither of those. I liken Bayo to Brawl ICs. Get grabbed once and you die. Extremely unfun for everyone involved.
I often wonder if Brawl MK would still be broken if he was modded into Ultimate, gliding and all.
Brawl MK appears to also have multiple 0 to death combos, judging by this video alone...
Fair, but that was because Brawl’s mechanics didn’t allow for free flow combos. Revert his stats back to those of brawl with ultimate’s engine, and he too will be 0 to deathing off a single won exchange in neutral. He already could do that to an extent in sm4sh from the looks of it.
1:35 does this mean there can finally be a shiek video
Why would the disclaimer make shied talkable. I don’t remember a pro who played shiek being canceled. Correct me if I’m wrong
@@Sander_44 zero played a lot of shiek in smash 4
@@Sander_44 then again, they went the whole Mario video without once mentioning ally
@@Snowballsage oh yeah I forgot he played shiek
A cool AF
character. If in Smash or his home series. No matter what game.
I feel like meta knight high tier after the buffs his back air kills so early
Looking forward to competitive history of king dedede
Looking forward to Yoshi
At the topic of meta knight, subscribe to meta knight the commenter. He's a great dude.
Bayo players: You’ll never understand my pain
Meta Knight Players: Hehe, sorry
YOOOO HE GOT BUFFED IN THE PATCH
I really love this character but I just can't play him online anymore. I personally think he can be a high high tier in the Meta because if people think bayo is good then MK is SSS tier. MK B META (not my MK but still, also ROB B RAD) also can't wait for offline tournaments, might use him and online poopy
I like meta knight and lacaruo as are bros as guys I play
Cant wait for ZSS
Was not ready for that face reveal
Looking forward to the history of Donkey Kong
Ok yeah i totally thought meta knight was horrible in ultimate but I see this may not be true
Finally! This must have been the hardest character to do yet
Didn’t this YT had a discord at one point and time?
brawl meta knight has infinite recovery
Yes a new completive history on that mk character. wait this isn't katchup still Good
Do Competitive history of Ness next!
Do G&W or Yoshi next in the competitive history
This history completely omnits and disrespects project M.
Brawl was long done and for a year (2013-2014) PM dominated the smash scene.
Buff meta knight. He needs more dmg on his areals
More damage on his aerials would kill his combo game. He desperately needs a standing grab range buff, up tilt needs a scoop hitbox (it literally cannot hit some characters while you are in jostle range) and it would be cool if they made its FaF better. Up-Smash is also pretty bad.
Everything else about the character is perfectly acceptable, but if I had to pick something to buff, it'd be his horizontal air-speed, to allow him to more reliably follow DI on combos.
@@CaptainDCap buffing the damage isnt the same as buffing the knockback of a move
Yep
@@ekene4886 I still think it would be pretty unnecessary.
Done, slight buff to Fair and bair, now he’s a top tier 👏
3:53 ofc you’re one to talk about banning characters
I miss brawl meta knight ): He is actually pretty good in newer smash games but not as good
I hear he was good in the Wii one
I’m only watching cause it keeps on getting recommended
Bonk I bet you really wanted this video didn’t you😳
I would like to see a fight between Pythra and brawl meta knight
Brawl MK would crush
Coughing baby (Pyra/Mythra) vs Hydrogen bomb (Brawl MK)
He actually has 5 jumps btw
300 likes and 0 dislikes
good job pro guides
BeHOLD
Meta knight is sick!
I hope he gets buffed in the next super smash bros! HE's my favorite character!
i can jus hear the sword flailing and the AREEGAHRO
Competitive history of Matt when?
Please do Zelda's competitive history
Here I am asking for so long for a link competitive history in smash and these guys be like nope!
I don’t have a main in smash I’ve been playing for 6 years any Recommendations
Depends what is your preferred playstyle.
@@haramba506 I like to go in
@@jedhead5487 maybe Lucina or Mario.
@@haramba506 well like I feel like I fit most playstyles
Play Ganondorf.
My favorite meta knight main myself(jk) good work BONK!
Do DK next
They should give him a sword
It’s been a while but the series is back!