Canon R3 VS Sony a1 REAL World AF REVIEW: Not What I Expected!!!
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I took the Canon EOS R3 and the Sony a1 out into the Real World to a College Football game to test out their Autofocus. I used the Canon 400 2.8 RF and Sony 400 2.8 E and recorded both EVF's with the Atomos Ninja V so you get to see the focus working...or not working. The big question here is, did Canon surpass Sony's amazing Autofocus?
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Which system do you think worked better on this day?
Canon is new king 👑
Canon
Sony, clearly.
@@DavidBeattty canon locks on to subject better.
@@taquizaffar3908 no it doesn’t
I've said it before - we've reached a point where there's no compelling reason to change to a different brand. Sony, Nikon, Canon all have amazing cameras (and lenses). It's a great time to be a photographer.
I’m thinking about going to canon. It seems better having an older dslr for what I’m doing.
@@13_cmi yeah I'm on a 1300d lol but am saving up for a 7d mk ii. Also submitting my photos to try win a new lens 🤣
not rly sony still dominates this
@@honeybadger1656 yeah apparently the older dslr cameras are easier to take out the ir filter. And they’re cheap
Yep, pretty soon you won't need a human in the equation at all. Well at least someone will still have to change the battery and card. Oh the horrors of loading film. 😂
All I learned from this video is that I need a 400mm 2.8 lens
Jeez! Seriously. I will never own one, but really shows what these amazing lenses can do. These bodies will be long gone before they get refreshed.
We still don’t have a production unit of the Nikon Z9 in our hands which is why that was excluded in this comparison for those wondering.
@Stephen Eckert Hey, Stephen! :D
@@trippalhealicks 👋🏼HEY!
Amazing... thank you for the clarification daddy!
nikon z9 is to big
And don't forget the new Z 400mm f/2.8 which is not out yet :D
Great to see that no matter which ecosystem you've invested so far, both give incredible AF capabilities and you can stay within it. Great comparison.
Sony user here
@@lamborghinico Nobody asked.
Not when you have invested $15k in nikon. Still cant accept that the Eye AF is still terrible and very far behind
Man this content is the very meaning of added value of a UA-cam channel, excellent work man! I’m not even a sport photographer and still was interesting to me…
I gotta say the music wins hands down!
You get a check mark for this observation!
Checkmate
Fantastic results from both.
Question: On the a1 were you using Tracking: Wide focus area mode the most?
Great video. Given that stickiness was a recurring discussion point and you showed the nicely intuitive Canon menu for controlling this, I would have liked you to have shown us the Sony menu and the settings you chose. Your videos are so much more relevant than those from other photographers. And I agree with you, make the effort to fill the frame. Heavily crop only when you have no choice.
Great video! I look forward with your experience with the z6 and z7 new firmware updates
Sony shooter here. Still think Canon's image colors are much better. Whenever I open my Sony ARW files in Lightroom, the colors look terrible and the picture requires a lot of editing.
Wow was waiting for this one! Thanks Jared.
Interesting! I couldn't tell the difference between stickiness or face acquisition from the footage, but good to know both are fantastic.
Which one is better? The system you're already using.. Amazing results from both sides.
Excellent review Jared, you’re at your best with these! Now if my Z9 would turn up, I’d be even happier!!
Nothing but love and respect, Jared! Another great review!
Amen to that!
Good compare and shows how close they are, i think what we are seeing is that the canon has about a year more of training (no pun intended) we know they for example trained the detection for helmets while the sony A1 was not (yet?). Both the canon R3 and nikon Z9 are trained on more subjects and use-cases as the sony. As a sony A1 user think sony got a little slow in updating their eye-af and tracking since the other 2 where well basicly 2+ years ago. We notice that in the quick adding of bird detect mode on the sony that seems a little rushed. Now the good news is that this is all software base and after about a year we can expect sony to react with a software update to also add some of these more wide detection modes (like helmets) and maybe even a 'unified' focus system like the nikon has. One thing that will for sure help the A1 vs R3 (not Z9) is using the 'crop' dial on that lens where it jumps right into crop mode the reason is that the tracking system works on the image it gets and eyes/birds are detected much faster (and stay) when they are bigger in the image. Hope next test we see a compare of what you guys call soccer since i think they will match up better. But again as a sony A1 owner i fully see and feel both the R3 and Z9 are better trained for subject detection then the A1 at this point... Your move sony in the area of machine learning and showing what the new cpu's inside still have left and what the software developers have been able to optimize over the last year to give more of the cpu cycles back to that part of the camera. Lastly i noticed the A1 seems to remember the last subject somehow between bursts so say you zoom in on a bird and it gets the eye and you move away from it stop shooting and go back to it it finds the eye quicker not tested this fully but this might be helpful at times not 100% sure how it works yet but clearly it seems to remember 1 or 2 subjets back. Now lets see once the R3 and Z9 are fully shipping if sony announced the A1's first software update and if the area of subject detection gets tuned.
Great review Jared. I trust you and Zamani for honest reviews of gear and sports shooting
Thanks.
I am curious to see which direction Sony will take with the A9III after the release of the A1 (Top of the line).
I think Sony will probably never go to a full body like the R3, but keep the 24MP, but a new sensor for speed,...
Do you think the R3 is in the same category as the A9 series?
A comparison like this, probably better?
R3 - A9II (A9III later)
Z9 - A1
A9 is still a thousand usd cheaper
I think A1 has already replaced the a9 series and probably a9iii is not happening
@@chanjeff4406 You are probably right. Unless they want to make it cheaper and keep it 24MP. But as you said, what's the point? A1, even with its big MP count is great, the Z9 as well (as per the reviews to date). Probably Canon was kind of forced to mention the R3 not a flagship after the release of the A1, and now Z9. Great products for professionals who really need and want them, and can afford those for their job(ROI, they are not for everyone). Let's wait and see... thanks.
Casually testing out $40k in a few pieces of gear...
This was a kick ass video!! I’ve have been using the Sony’s for a while… I went back to using my Canon and what a difference of feel in my hands…
This is truly a fantastic real world comparison. The coming Dec 2 firmware upgrade for the R5 is supposed bring this focus to the R5. I would love you do another shoot like this using the new firmware in an R5.
Yes, and it’ll be on the R6 also
Don't get too excited. The R3 can still do something like 3x the AF calculations per second than the R5 and R6. They will be adding vehicle tracking, etc... but it won't make it much faster. I would love my R5 and R3 to perform at similar levels, but that is unlikely.
On all the R series cameras you can customize which dial changes ISO. Great video btw, I appreciate how much effort you put into these videos..
I got real excited to see you were at the University of Houston, shooting and now watching the the video of that day. Go Coogs... Great job!!!
Sony A1 is sitting on BH, Adorama, and other major retailer shelves...seriously doubt the same will hold true for the R3 and Z9. Also, if you add Sony's grip and two slow CF-A 160 cards, the price is closer to $8K.
The r3 is garbage. The Nikon will be forever sold out
Thank you Jared another fine video... would love to see a video of the R3 on wildlife especially birds inflight... regards Martin
Watching this EVF footage makes me appreciate more how incredible and miraculous the combination of the human brain and eye is.
I shoot Canon DSLRs so I was hoping for good news from the R3. However, my personal preference aside, I enjoy the competition among the big 3 (Canon, Nikon, & Sony). I, too, thought the Canon was better with autofocus performance, but I was concerned that my personal bias was clouding my thoughts. It was nice to see that Jared's words matched my thoughts about autofocus performance. I understand why the A1 is such a difficult camera to "dethrone". It's wonderful. So is the R3. Very good video, very helpful comparison even for a hobbyist such as myself.
Which sports photography camera would you recommend?
r3, r5, r6, 1DXii, z9, a1
I'm with a Canon camera, so it's also important that the camera works well with an adapter for EF lenses
Modern cameras and lenses are fantastic. I love using my R5 for portraits but I just bought a second 1Dx for football for almost nothing. Ergonomics and reliability are as important as autofocus.
So you're saying you like using the 1Dx better than the R5 for sports?
@@MusaonYT lol
And jared was shooting 10 year old canon lens 😁
@@MusaonYT Nope. I’m saying that I prefer using a 1Dx for football (soccer). It helps to have two identical bodies, the smaller file size is fine, and I bought it for $770 including an extra battery (it’s in much better condition than mine).
I wonder what it would do to AF performance if you shot the A1 in DX mode. 21mp vs 24 but less than half the data to process for the A1. Would that make any difference at all?
Hi, How did you do with the sony to record EVF with the settings visible knowing that when settings are activated you can’t look in the EVF anymore,
For sport shooting it’s not complicated to have to look in an external monitor?
What was your config?
Interesting question my A6500& a7iii don't connect to my M1 Mbp or windows 10 laptop to update the software I purchased them used
You’re taking camera reviews to a new level - answering our questions before we come up with them.
@14:00 amazing example of the AF
Great video Jared. One thing that confuses me relates to the no black out EVF experience - I noticed some jerkiness and skipping on both Canon and Sony when you were taking shots. Can you comment on the no-black-out experience on both cameras. Any comparison to Nikon Z9 hands on?
it would be interesting to see side by side comparison of the Z9 and R3
Hi Jared, I noticed that your shutter speed was at 1/1600 while your ISO was 500 (3:08) where you hoping to get a very still image? And if yes, why would you suggest doing this besides a lower shutter speed in a situation like this?
He’s trying to shoot as wide open as he can to test the focus, so he needs a high shutter and iso. Plus he mentioned the weather was variable which is why he probably wasn’t at a lower iso
@@NickzAndMikz that makes total sense, thank you!
@@ManyWaysFilms 15:20
@@jimmyqballs why do u say u have to be careful with the A1? I use an a7riv and find it have to shoot faster than I did on the a7iii.
I shoot basketball game last night with my m6ii with 1/1000s iso 3200 and aperture 1.8
Can’t wait for this auto focus upgrade to the R5
I'll be really curious to see something like this with the higher megapixel R5 after the Autofocus Update!
Me too!
Thanks for great coverage of the focusing systems - very informative and helpful. Agree, both are good but Canon had the edge.
is the 3rd white number on the bottom of the sony evf the exposure compensation? on the canon, i noticed the the iso number was seperated from the shutter speed and iso. ui and font are very different. sony ui is too busy but can be customized. which is better?
The best way to configure Canon wheels is aperture on finger, shutter speed on top and iso on back. This is easy to configure in menus.
And now exposure compensation on the lens!!!!
Some with the sony A1, not sure why jared doesn't just state you can set most of the dials on most of them i use the top dial for iso on the A1 for example. The A1 has more dials them the others now so you have a little more to play with.
Yeah, that's how I have my R5 and R6 set up for Manual, and in Aperture priority, I have aperture on front, exposure compensation on back top, and ISO on the rear dial. I was really surprised to hear Jared talk about it as if that was a set parameter on the cameras - Canon has always allowed customization of the dials (Sony does as well).
How does the Sony keep switching between the full screen and spot focus mode?
Hi Jared, may I ask the reason why you didn't take into consideration of the Eye Control AF System?
Great tests many thanks. What was your feeling about both cameras in terms of dynamic range on the RAW files? Did one seem any better than the other? Are they both at the top of the camera world or do you feel they are somehow lacking in dynamic range. Thanks!
What shocked me was I learned that camera profiles for lightroom just came out for the Canon r5 and R6. I had always edited with the standard Adobe color because there weren't profiles and because I figured it was raw anyway. But camera profiles make a huge difference! Not only was it gorgeous but took far less time to edit. Now I understand when people say Canon colors.
You mean Adobe profiles like Adobe Color and Adobe Standard or Camera Matching profiles like Neutral, Faithful, etc.?
You can remap the button config on your camera to make the sony and canon the same!
Have you ever considered sharing a pdf of all the settings for the cameras you compare? I would especially be interested in the Canon R settings
Nice video dude !!! Chapters on the video would have been pretty cool.
How would the R5 compare to those two? Just being curious…
what setting show me how much I'm zoomed in on in the EVF? I'd love to know that.
Great job Jared! Hope that Canon will put 20-30 megapixels more in his R1 and it would be perfect.
As on sony canon wheels can have the settings for eposure you want, on my r6 it does the same as my sony, back wheel iso top back speed and front aperture! it is in the custom menus
I recently got into photographing basketball games and I love using Skittles on on my images. Thank you so much Jared!
Glad to shake your hand in the last Philadelphia Union Game. Respect Jared. Your work is amazing.
Great vid as always, Jared. :)
Loving the competition and quality. Canon users should be grateful for Sony pioneering the auto focus game, and Sony users should be grateful to Canon for bringing up their A game and challenging Sony to do better. The photographer wins in the end.
And Everyone should be grateful to Epson for bringing the first mirrorless camera with interchangeble lenses
Would you give a little background on why you are not using Eye AF on the R3? I thought that it was maybe because of the helmets, but I noticed that you didn't use Eye AF with the soccer players either in the video where you provided the RAWs. Thanks.
@Jared Polin; do you have a video or explanation about how presets work with different camera brands since each brand has a different starting point in the RAW file? I’ve never used presets and I’m still new to Lightroom and photoshop. I’ve been using Affinity photo for the iPad (limited use) and doing every photo individually but I’m also not a professional and only take family photos for myself and a few friends. I have a trial of Lightroom and photoshop which I’m enjoying and considering subscribing for a year to see if it can hopefully speed up the editing process for me. Any input would be appreciated! 🇨🇦
Both impressive cameras! I was a bit surprised to see the Canon lose the cheerleader at 3:12, or so. It seemed to lose the subject before they even left the frame, and take a couple seconds to lock on again once they came back in.
I'm a Canon shooter, but the cameras now are just terrific. It comes down to ergonomics for me and Canon is the clear winner...yes, subjective. Actually, from an in hand point of view, The Z9 looks like the winner to me. I do like the big ole' 'brick' look and feel. Nice work, Jared!
Hi Jared, did you use the eye-Tracking? Can you recommend it? Greetinds from Austria, Peter
From what's been said from several sources, Canon will be tweaking the Eye Control during a good few f/w updates! I suspect many will try it initially then not use it - it's not the headline feature of the R3 - it's AF selection sounds good without it. The AF tracking on the R3, A1 & Z9 are all pretty damn good. How each handle bird's eye reflections on water will be interesting but the difference in distance therefore focus will probably be insignificant anyway.
Did you ever use the eye focus (tracking of the photographers eye) of the R3?
I didn’t see this mentioned. I would also like to know.
Jared…..you’re killing it. Keep up the good work.
I think you can assign other functions to any dial, it is not fixed. At least for R5 and R6 you can.
Both cameras are absolutely amazing in terms of autofocus, very happy that Canon is bringing the autofocus updates on the R5 and R6 too!
Just one thing I noticed is that the Sony viewfinder is veeeeery cluttered, but I assume you can change the information you see in the settings?
Anyways, great comparison
@Epic Story the stabilization has been great on my R6 with any normal lens, it is true that there is quite a bit of wobble on the 15-35 on the wide end, I’ll give you that! (Don’t take it too personal, it’s all good criticism for cameras to get better, I still think the Sony is great and was one step away from switching :) )
The eye tracking focus on my R5 in video mode knocks the A1 out of the park. The A1 af just doesnt track the animals eye for video.
There is a setting in the sony menu to change whether to show the information on the screen. Maybe Jared just didnt bother.
@Epic Story the longer and heavier the lens, the more evident camera shake will be. I've used my R5 and RF 100-500 handheld for birds in flight with no problem. The R3 and the 400 F/2.8 are a lot to handhold even with IBIS.
@@JerryWoo96 i assumed that was the case! Or maybe he just likes seeing all the information in the viewfinder
I personally like the Canon having the shutter indicator flicker-thingy (you know what I mean, the frame that lets you know you're taking photos) on the edge of the viewfinder and not disturbing my view. I agree that it'd be kinda cool to have a buffer-bar like the sony or something similar tho.
I think if I could choose, I'd want a little colored dot in a corner blinking when I take photos. Little to no distraction, yet very eye-catching and clear.
Jared, I keep seeing the NFC icon pop up on the Sony, any idea what's up with that?
Hey Jared, looking forward to seeing your comparison with the Nikon Z9. You should also mention the price on these cameras.
I like that I can look through my images on A1 and it shows where the focus point hit, I wish this would carry to Lightroom
Jared, subjects moving fast towards you, Sony has this amazing 4D technology added to the AF system. Can the R3 keep up?
This may sound like a dumb question, but is the auto focus something Sony can improve through a firmware update?
Not a stupid question. But only Sony really knows the answer. Whether this af algorithm is hardware or software limited.
on the Sony, what did you have the 'sticky' set to?
Amazing what autofocus has come to! Can you make a video on how you did manage the (old school, now)DSLR autofocus? I am sure I am not the only one still running a good ol' eos5d mk3. I just can't afford these mirorless cameras. And I prefer having a battery that holds up to over 2000 photos on a charge as a bonus :D. Also, you should use 60 fps capture on these evf captures. 30 fps is like, too slow for this action.
I have the r6 and I have gotten over 2,000 images on a single battery very easily. I shot a bunch of small 4k video clips that day as well. I was shooting a high school football game and I was using one of the knock off batteries from Amazon. It actually and it really surprised me.
@@alivia4907 that's nice, but the money factor is important for me as I come from a country that has minimum monthly wage of 250 euro :) I always bought second hand dslr's..... I'm a semi pro and I don't do weddings and baptisms . 😂
The Atomos recorder is capturing the actual EVF view in stills mode. Jared was not shooting video. 30 fps is as fast as any of these pro FF mirrorless bodies shoot, and Jared shot the Sony at 20 FPS to get uncompressed RAW files. You saw what you'd actually see if you were shooting either camera.
Did you notice that both cameras had no blackout during their exposure bursts? That's something that no DSLR can do. I say this as a former 5DM4 owner who is now smitten with the R5 and R6. I agree with Jared that it took time to recognize that the camera is actually firing with electronic shutter, with no noise and no blackout.
@@CrisURace I understand. Once the canon r1 comes out, people are going to start selling their used canon r5/r6 cameras to get that. Just be patient and eventually you'll be able to grab a mirrorless.
I want to se the evf at 60 fps, Ike you see it in reality. It actually goes up to 120 fps.
How is it in Canon the focus is green? You didn't shoot on servo mode, or is it the way that Ninja shows it?
I think he changed the R3 at some point to servo mode which then displayed the focus box in purple as it should be.
At that price point it's like a top 10 tennis player testing out Wilson racquets vs Head vs Babolat. Some players will prefer Head while others will prefer Wilson (and some secretly don't really care about name brand because most have their own custom specifications) but at the end of the day, the reason theyre a top 10 tennis player isn't because of their racquet, it's because of their skill.
Reviewing the EVF footage is like watching a painter paint instead of looking at the final painting. The only reason to do it is to appreciate the work of the painter/photographer. What really matters is that the final image is in focus. The box on the eye doesn't actually matter, as long as the camera is actually tracking the subject and is staying in focus. Thanks for the view of the EVF though, it's amazing to watch!
The position of the box matters for your peace of mind. You don't want the box appearing on someone's chin when you're trying to focus on the eye, even if the eye comes out sharp after taking the photo.
@@MusaonYT The problem is when the opposite happens..when you get the box but yet the eye is NOT in focus
@@shaolin95 Now that’s a crime
@@MusaonYT I fully understand, I would love it to be glued to the eye, as long as it isn't taking away any processing power from the actual eye tracking. I'm just pointing out that it's an over lay and not the actual focus tracking. Still important, but the eye being in focus is more important than the overlay staying on the eye. If the overlay just tracks the eye but the camera can't actually stay in focus, then it's useless.
Aaron is totally right, how many times during fast paced action the box may not be perfectly centered on the head or eye, but lo and behold, load up the images and they're all tack sharp on the subject's eye or head.
is there any option to produce Sigma lens for Canon RF ...???
Good review. Thanks. It's definately s good time to be a sports shooter these days. Looks like there is not much more that can be done with af. Maybe the higher mp cameras need to get a slight speed boost to keep up with the 24mp file transfer so more time is available for af. I wonder what the next big feature will be. Possibly 16 bit raw for lower noise, bit that will require faster cards. It will be interesting to see where the tech takes us to
Does this camera and other Canon mirroless let you do AF eye tracking without holding down shutter button? Thanks
Yes, in canon there is an option called continous AF (it drain battery very fast though)
I noticed how much brighter the Canon EVF. Is it really that much brighter and sharper than the Sony or is that an issue with capturing the EVF on video?
That is a recording issue. The Sony is significantly higher resolution and sharper in real life.
@@Eli-lb1lc i have the Sony and it is not sharp when shooting, only in preview mode.
Curious as to what publication you used for your application to the team for media credentials ?
Myself.
I'm excited to get my hands on an R6, finally. And I see the latest firmware updates to give it motorsports tracking as well. Good stuff...
I understand that Canon has superior Autofocus compared to others. BUT does it maintain its superiority once we use EF lenses + Mount??
It’s really solid adapted with Ef.
Jared, I got your presets and I am loving them! So much fun! I'm using them with my new Sony a6600, shooting raw.
Can you do an updated video w the new canon r3 mark2 that just came out?
I own an original A9 and its cool to see other camera brands out AF-ing the Sonys finally. Congrats.
Tony gave more marks to A1
But I trust Jared more
He is a sony user... dont care tony and chelsea opinion haha
Why not comparing R3 vs A9 ii ? Both have simillar megapixel
If you can get in, go to an Eagles game sometime in Sept. Maybe get a press box???
I didn't notice any difference in the viewfinder "smoothieness" until you mentioned it! Damn it Polin!! Why do you always do this to me?!!!
when will you make a dedicated video to canon's new eye control autofocus?
I won’t. We can’t show it to you because the eye needs to be in the viewfinder. But I haven’t used it yet in all my shoots.
@@froknowsphoto well hopefully you might someday. We would like know your opinion about its usability and reliability in the long run.
@jared When are u posting the raw files
I'm surprised no mention of the new eye focus control was mentioned.
Former canon Sony shooter for past year… my take away was how clean the canon evf is, not it’s resolution but the lack of that black bar at the bottom, looks huge and easier to track with far less distractions and agree the r3 looks stickier than the A1, canon colours are so nice. Never been overly impressed with my a9ll and my A7r4 is very very hit and miss….but for now will stick to Sony but not sure for how long
You’ll hate the r3
@@Yupthereitism Why? not going to get one anytime soon but wondered why?
I don't shoot much sports these days, I've previously shot MotoGP, World Superbikes, British Touring Cars and rugby and would have loved either of these cameras. I occasionaly photograph cycling and again would love either of these for that. In my day job I shoot corporate stuff but I also shoot concerts. I've only used the EOS R so far and found the face tracking to be unreliable in the low light environment of concerts and I turn it off.
The box doesn’t 100% correlate to where the camera is actually focusing, If the sony on the images acquired the same amount of images as the Canon it doesn’t really matter if it’s slightly off as that is just software, Nikon also acquired more images then what you would think out from the box, so I really think we should be careful with over estimate the box and it’s meaning, obviously we prefer to be as precise as possible to where the camera is actually focusing but being slightly off isn’t a huge deal breaker.
Also in my experience these brands tend to do better at different sports, so while one might slightly edge one in one, the other might do it in another. It’s simply has to do with how long, how much and how many different subjects it has been trained at. Canon is well know for their abilities with sports with helmets. Sony generally doesn’t seem to have much of a foothold in American market compared to in Europe and in Europe helmets aren’t something you see much in major sports.
Also I would kinda expect a lower resolution to potential be faster at focusing with the same technology, when Sony release the A9iii I would expect it to actually outperform the A1 in AF-C
Still shooting a 1Dx and see how far the AF has come, while it seems just yesterday the 1Dx AF was king and warranted $6500. I'd imagine the R6/5/3 will have a ten year shelf life easily compared to say how short the 5D/2/3/4 lifespans were. The short time I owned a 7D MK II showed me the future with on sensor dual pixel AF - if only that had translated into FF DSLR bodies for a reasonable price as the 5D4 is still overpriced when the R6 is so near in cost.
Christmas in November!! thanks!!
A9 would be a better comparison?
so much activities is there whom do u focusing it is very difficult to say u hv to tell please