First, one of the great things about this channel is that we go from the likes of the Horizon or Maxi to a Porsche or Bentley. Not to mention a Land-Rover that's seen better days. Secondly - behold the language nerd - it's intriguing that in comparison to the Alfa Romeo where everything was adorably kept in Italian, here everything is naturally in English, except the oil pressure where for some reason they've kept the German "Druck".
Another thoughtful and enthusiastic presentation. This is how UA-cam ought to be. Keep it up! Thanks for at least mentioning the Jetfire and Corvair Spyder. Although the Jetfire was brilliant, it wasn't a sales hit. The Corvair, on the other hand, sold about 1.8 million copies, with something like 35,000 being turbocharged across six model years (1962-'66). And those were sales of a very novel car, with entirely unfamiliar technology, to a generally conservative American market. History paints Corvairs as a flop, but they sold like crazy until the Mustang came along. I'd argue the Corvair turbo was absolutely successful, even if relatively unknown to people outside the US and/or young enough not have grown up with them.
Druing the late 70's I was working for a Mercedes/Ferrari/Porsche dealer. I will never forget the day a 911 Turbo arrived in the workshop. At the time there was a Dino 246, a 308, several very nice Merc SL's and a 450SEL 6.9 in the workshop. Then the Turbo pulled into the place. The whole shop went very quiet and everyone surrounded the car with jaws dropped and eyes wide. The only sound heard was a chorus of "ooohhhh" and a subdued "holy s&£t" from the workshop manager. It eclipsed all of the cars in the place and no work was done for the next half an hour as we all drooled over this stunning piece of engineering art. Great vid Ed. Your work just gets better.
Excellent, Ed! The amount of work that you put into preparing any and ALL your videos makes them super interesting and fun. You won me over. My pleasure to be SUBSCRIBED! Can't wait to see your next. 👍
My dad had two 3 series BMWs in the 80s and both were beautifully built and simple inside. Wonderful instrumentation and visually impactive. I loved sitting In them. The interiors have got progressively worse as they’ve gotten more complex.
The Carrera RS made 210 not 230ps. You didn’t mention that the G50 had a hydraulic clutch, rather than cable operation. It didn’t feel cobbled together, it WAS cobbled together, as equipment was added to an early 60’s design that it was never designed to have them.
Another car worth looking at. The Eunos Cosmo. 1989 Twin Sequential Turbos on a 3 Rotor Rotary Engine. Smoother than a V-12 Jag and had a sports and Luxury model.
If anyone were to ask me "what's the best-looking Porsche ever made?" I'd immediately point to this car. Old-school design, Targa top, big-ass whale tail. Just damn perfect.
Never even knew that they built a 930 Targa Turbo, rare beast indeed. 6.5:1 compression ratio though on the early ones! Unbelievable by modern standards. Quite why they dropped the CR so much & then ran higher boost has always confused me. A sure fire way to end up with a lot of lag. Nice review.
I think it was because they didn’t have the management systems we have now to control boost/delivery and timing. I think Porsche did a much better job with the 944 Turbo. It seemed to have much better power delivery and was helped by a modern chassis and better weight distribution. On the street the Turbo is actually slower than the 911SC in “normal” driving. The thrill ride comes on above 3500rpm when all the boost hits at once and you sink into your seat like your in a plane at takeoff. Of course that boost also the reason why it was a widowmaker…snap oversteer coming out of a corner and having the turbo spill the beans whilst the car is already tail happy.
A car that at no time in it's lifespan has been remotely affordable but probably the greatest looking car of all time against some very stiff competition.
Great video Ed, a totally iconic car, I love the shape of the impact bumper cars, I have an 1987 3.2 Carrera, I have had it 10 years, and still get a buzz every time I use it. I don’t think there is anything else quite like it 😀
Beautiful and of course significant car. And your review is so enjoyable, as always. I love that interior, it's fantastic. I would get mine without the A/C and I don't mind cranking my windows but that's beside the point. Fantastic car.
As an ex -Porsche technician, I will say that the A/C is useless on 911’s, a feeble, badly designed system cobbled together because it was essential for the US market. It became acceptable with the 964
Great review of possible my most wanted car, had the chance to buy one back in 2008, but couldn't quite bring myself to spend £25k on a car, what a mistake ah what I'd give for that chance now. Again great review.
I had a 1988 targa supersport in black, oh how your video has made me yearn for it, turbo or not. The worst bit? I sold it for £10k 20 years ago, someone must now be sitting on a good nest egg. You forgot to mention the hand cut carpets that curl up!
Nice review, nice car! one stupid little thing I'm wondering, that knob on the left-side of the drivers seat, is that for reclining or letting people access the rear-seat (if at all possible)? Strange position!
@@rozinant1237 yes, but usually this is positioned on the right-hand side of the seat, isn't it? After opening the door and trying to get in the back, to reach the knob it's awkwardly placed!
@@MdvK13979 It is for the passenger to operate tilting the drivers seat. If the driver was already seated. rear passengers could not enter. Everyone gets in before the driver.
As a 911 930 3.2L owner I wish to disagree with you in that the coupe has the classic lines where as the Targa just slightly detracts from the purity of the iconic shape. However it really is a pretty car.
Many argued at the time that the Carrera was a much better car to drive;lighter,more tractable and more focused,especially the RS and the track based RSR model
It may have been successful in sales but it was as tail happy as a Labrador puppy on wet tiles (a friend had one in the 1980s). I guess the 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo you mention didn't sell very well so doesn't count.
Three years after. It’s the third comment I’ve had like this, so there must be some kind of public view that Saab beat them, but the 99 only got a turbo in ‘78.
The key word is “successful”. in 1977 SAAB had engineered a way for turbo’s to be used in a very tractable and affordable manner. SAAB turbo’s came on across the entire rev range which made them much more useful. The 99’s while not cheap at 10k were much more affordable then the 930 at 26k and then only in limited numbers. In General terms it is pretty much accepted that SAAB was the first manufacturer to make turbo’s practical and successful.
If it is, then that’s news to me. Certainly, Porsche’s system was rather laggy, but it was there earlier, was much more famous, and sold more units, and that’s despite being much more expensive. Saab was undoubtedly the company that made turbocharging mainstream for the masses, but Porsche did it successfully first.
Facts, the 930 was a difficult car to drive and sent many people into the trees! Also only affordable by the very rich. Total 930 production numbers are about 19,000. SAAB 900 turbos, were much more accessible to the average buyer, and far easier to drive smoothly. Total production of almost 1 million cars. By anyones definition, the SAAB was a much more “successful” turbocharged car.
The Chevy Corvair Spyder (turbo) was built for 9 years and was not only popular, but successful on track.
I can't believe that this channel only has 30k subscribers, the amount of detail and narration is top notched
First, one of the great things about this channel is that we go from the likes of the Horizon or Maxi to a Porsche or Bentley. Not to mention a Land-Rover that's seen better days.
Secondly - behold the language nerd - it's intriguing that in comparison to the Alfa Romeo where everything was adorably kept in Italian, here everything is naturally in English, except the oil pressure where for some reason they've kept the German "Druck".
Another thoughtful and enthusiastic presentation. This is how UA-cam ought to be. Keep it up!
Thanks for at least mentioning the Jetfire and Corvair Spyder. Although the Jetfire was brilliant, it wasn't a sales hit. The Corvair, on the other hand, sold about 1.8 million copies, with something like 35,000 being turbocharged across six model years (1962-'66). And those were sales of a very novel car, with entirely unfamiliar technology, to a generally conservative American market.
History paints Corvairs as a flop, but they sold like crazy until the Mustang came along. I'd argue the Corvair turbo was absolutely successful, even if relatively unknown to people outside the US and/or young enough not have grown up with them.
Druing the late 70's I was working for a Mercedes/Ferrari/Porsche dealer. I will never forget the day a 911 Turbo arrived in the workshop. At the time there was a Dino 246, a 308, several very nice Merc SL's and a 450SEL 6.9 in the workshop. Then the Turbo pulled into the place. The whole shop went very quiet and everyone surrounded the car with jaws dropped and eyes wide. The only sound heard was a chorus of "ooohhhh" and a subdued "holy s&£t" from the workshop manager. It eclipsed all of the cars in the place and no work was done for the next half an hour as we all drooled over this stunning piece of engineering art.
Great vid Ed. Your work just gets better.
Brilliant story!
Ed, there's an old "saying" ------- Do the best with what you got. Porsche hit the nail on the head..... Thanks for posting.
Excellent, Ed! The amount of work that you put into preparing any and ALL your videos makes them super interesting and fun. You won me over. My pleasure to be SUBSCRIBED! Can't wait to see your next. 👍
My dad had two 3 series BMWs in the 80s and both were beautifully built and simple inside. Wonderful instrumentation and visually impactive. I loved sitting In them. The interiors have got progressively worse as they’ve gotten more complex.
What is your point
Great video Ed I loved the old 930 turbo thanks for posting it.
The Carrera RS made 210 not 230ps. You didn’t mention that the G50 had a hydraulic clutch, rather than cable operation.
It didn’t feel cobbled together, it WAS cobbled together, as equipment was added to an early 60’s design that it was never designed to have them.
The closest video yet to a Twin-Cam and Harry's Garage crossover vid. One day, one day!
Another car worth looking at. The Eunos Cosmo. 1989 Twin Sequential Turbos on a 3 Rotor Rotary Engine. Smoother than a V-12 Jag and had a sports and Luxury model.
If anyone were to ask me "what's the best-looking Porsche ever made?" I'd immediately point to this car. Old-school design, Targa top, big-ass whale tail. Just damn perfect.
It's an awesome car. I don't care for the bumpers though.
They could have nicked the slogan on the TR7 as it indeed was the shape of things to come.
Nice review!
Great job Ed. Love your work
This is a fantastic and rare car the history of which is explained in great detail. Great to see a mix of content on the channel.
Excellent video Ed
Never even knew that they built a 930 Targa Turbo, rare beast indeed. 6.5:1 compression ratio though on the early ones! Unbelievable by modern standards. Quite why they dropped the CR so much & then ran higher boost has always confused me. A sure fire way to end up with a lot of lag. Nice review.
I think it was because they didn’t have the management systems we have now to control boost/delivery and timing. I think Porsche did a much better job with the 944 Turbo. It seemed to have much better power delivery and was helped by a modern chassis and better weight distribution. On the street the Turbo is actually slower than the 911SC in “normal” driving. The thrill ride comes on above 3500rpm when all the boost hits at once and you sink into your seat like your in a plane at takeoff. Of course that boost also the reason why it was a widowmaker…snap oversteer coming out of a corner and having the turbo spill the beans whilst the car is already tail happy.
Superb. My all-time favourite car.
Superb presentation as always. Excellent detail. What a super car.
Brilliantly informative as usual, great video 👍
Always reminds me of reading the Motorsport magazine article of the Turbo in the mid 1970s . It was a white hardtop with Martini livery.
Great review mate. And I loved the car you drooled over.
great review mate. thanks
Very well done, as always!
Porsche uber alles! Thank you for the story
Great style and command of history and story telling
I've always loved the Porsche 911 in red ever since I saw the 1976 Porsche 911 Carrera in Beverly Hills Cop.
I appreciate the amount of research that goes into your videos, always interesting.
That’s very kind of you to say 🙂
Great video, Ed! I like the open targa top, but it makes you have to miss the iconic shape of the rear side windows, that's a shame
Another amazing video.
Brilliant the way you explain it. So right you are.
Thanks mate 🙂
Easily one of my favourite cars. I prefer it in a standard coupe but hey, I wouldn't say no to the targa.
Still looks amazing even today.
Another great review - Thank you!
A car that at no time in it's lifespan has been remotely affordable but probably the greatest looking car of all time against some very stiff competition.
Excellent video as usual!
Great video mate, and amazing car!
Great presentation and information.
excellent video absolutely beautiful car...
Great video Ed, a totally iconic car, I love the shape of the impact bumper cars, I have an 1987 3.2 Carrera, I have had it 10 years, and still get a buzz every time I use it. I don’t think there is anything else quite like it 😀
Fantastic video and my absolute dream car. 😍😍😍
Beautiful and of course significant car. And your review is so enjoyable, as always. I love that interior, it's fantastic. I would get mine without the A/C and I don't mind cranking my windows but that's beside the point. Fantastic car.
As an ex -Porsche technician, I will say that the A/C is useless on 911’s, a feeble, badly designed system cobbled together because it was essential for the US market. It became acceptable with the 964
@@arthurdardalis It seems like it will never be an issue for me...
Great review of possible my most wanted car, had the chance to buy one back in 2008, but couldn't quite bring myself to spend £25k on a car, what a mistake ah what I'd give for that chance now. Again great review.
I had a 1988 targa supersport in black, oh how your video has made me yearn for it, turbo or not. The worst bit? I sold it for £10k 20 years ago, someone must now be sitting on a good nest egg. You forgot to mention the hand cut carpets that curl up!
I used to have a model of the Porsche 911 Turbo Targa in red.
Nice review, nice car!
one stupid little thing I'm wondering, that knob on the left-side of the drivers seat, is that for reclining or letting people access the rear-seat (if at all possible)? Strange position!
Allows passenger to tilt drivers seat forward, so people can get in backseat.
@@rozinant1237 yes, but usually this is positioned on the right-hand side of the seat, isn't it? After opening the door and trying to get in the back, to reach the knob it's awkwardly placed!
@@MdvK13979 It is for the passenger to operate tilting the drivers seat. If the driver was already seated. rear passengers could not enter. Everyone gets in before the driver.
As a 911 930 3.2L owner I wish to disagree with you in that the coupe has the classic lines where as the Targa just slightly detracts from the purity of the iconic shape. However it really is a pretty car.
nice Job!
Bedankt
Thank you!
Many argued at the time that the Carrera was a much better car to drive;lighter,more tractable and more focused,especially the RS and the track based RSR model
Alois...
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Some of the controls are to the left probably because it was designed as a left hand drive.
But what about the controls that are off-set to the right on LHD models?
"A boot is a boot is a boot" (c)
It's the one in the Bros video isn't it?
Your turbo history overlooks the SAAB 99 Turbo, that was selling 10,000 per year eight years before the Porsche Turbo came on the scene.
The Saab 99 launched in 1968, but the Turbo only came out in ‘77, two years after the Porsche.
Sorry, made a mistake there.
The Saab Turbo came out in ‘78, not ‘77.
So three years after the Porsche.
@@TwinCam I was with the school at the Trollhättan SAAB factory back in ‘78. They were really proud of their Turbo back then.
It was a huge deal, I’d expect!
It may have been successful in sales but it was as tail happy as a Labrador puppy on wet tiles (a friend had one in the 1980s). I guess the 1973 BMW 2002 Turbo you mention didn't sell very well so doesn't count.
I thought saab had the turbo in production first ...?
Three years after.
It’s the third comment I’ve had like this, so there must be some kind of public view that Saab beat them, but the 99 only got a turbo in ‘78.
?????????
Saab were the first to make turbos successful not Porsche
Saab didn’t turbocharge a production car until three years after Porsche.
I’ve had this kind of comment twice now and I don’t understand the logic.
The key word is “successful”. in 1977 SAAB had engineered a way for turbo’s to be used in a very tractable and affordable manner. SAAB turbo’s came on across the entire rev range which made them much more useful. The 99’s while not cheap at 10k were much more affordable then the 930 at 26k and then only in limited numbers. In General terms it is pretty much accepted that SAAB was the first manufacturer to make turbo’s practical and successful.
If it is, then that’s news to me.
Certainly, Porsche’s system was rather laggy, but it was there earlier, was much more famous, and sold more units, and that’s despite being much more expensive.
Saab was undoubtedly the company that made turbocharging mainstream for the masses, but Porsche did it successfully first.
Facts, the 930 was a difficult car to drive and sent many people into the trees! Also only affordable by the very rich. Total 930 production numbers are about 19,000. SAAB 900 turbos, were much more accessible to the average buyer, and far easier to drive smoothly. Total production of almost 1 million cars. By anyones definition, the SAAB was a much more “successful” turbocharged car.
The Saab 900 Turbo was launched later.
The 99 was the Saab that brought in turbocharging.