Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands (CG Documentary)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- The Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands (known as the Battle of the South Pacific by the Japanese) was one of the most decisive carrier-battles of the Pacific War.
The CG animation was created by Tochibayashi Masaru and translated to English by yours truly! :)
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This is far superior than anything that might come out of Hollywood. Magnificent! Thank you!
Imagine getting VFX artist to imitate his work.
This was an amazing bit of CGI. The way the pressure wave from the torpedo hits on Horne literally made the ship "bend" as they passed through her hull... That was sublime. This little vignette of the Battle of Santa Cruz was an exceptional treat to stumble upon. Thank you so much for posting it!!!
This is way better than that History Channel crap. It shows both sides, and it doesnt lazily repeat already shown scenes and doesnt re tell everything 10 times over because of Ad breaks. More of these, please!
The sheer quality and attention to historic accuracy of your master work is imo the benchmark for cgi history reenactment and gaming enthusiasts. Respect.
Oh no, I didn't make the CGI, I just translated from Japanese to English : )
The guy who animated it is Tochibayashi (last name) Masaru (first name.) He started animating planes as a hobby back in 2001 after being appalled by the unrealistic physics of the Pearl Harbor movie apparently. He started taking his work real seriously from around 2008 and is making longer documentaries ever since.
cheers for the translation
Thank you!Great show! Excellent detailed illustrations of history made very interestingly explained and realized and understood.Wow.5*!
Adrian Nicholas uuuuuuuu
tomterahedrob
Thank you very much for providing the subtitles for the best CGI battle docu ever!
I like these documentaries videos like this, it shows both sides forces, deployments and accurate event timeline without any propaganda bs. Thank you for the video and the efforts.
I like this and propaganda at the time
この時代の雷撃機や爆撃機乗りのパイロットは殆ど当たらんとは言えあの弾幕の中に爆弾や魚雷抱えて突っ込んでくとか本当に凄い
In addition to weapons, depictions of people was good.The aircraft carrier Hornet, which is difficult to sink quietly, was extraordinarily robust. Thank you for CG Documentary !!
I cannot praise the quality of this fine piece of work highly enough. Seriously, being a history freak, I knew how the battle would turn out, but I was still on the edge of my seat. Very well done!
Yes the planes looked especially good!
Amazing CGI reenactment! Gotta hand it to the artists who created this. I've read books on this battle, yet the video left me on the edge of my seat. THANK YOU!!!
Excellent rendition of the Santa Cruz battle. Even included depiction of the Thatch weave. Nice. I'm glad we are allies now. Seems finally fitting after all. Thanks for your fine production.
Damn. This should be a movie.
If the creator did some editing with the lighting/light warping, added material textures/realism, added voice acting, and the people being replaced with actual actors, this would totally be a high-budget movie in terms of quality.
Budget spoils movies!
With necromantic delay in answer xd This movie would be so surprising for many investors today (no screetchy character and plot exposition, no other the top politically correct division of roles, no childish view of war like you fight with puppets and no matter the number of times they are hit, they come back to life over and over again, no superpowers conveniently crafted to save the day at the requested moment), they MIGHT in fact recoil xd.
The recent discovery last month of the USS Hornet sitting at 17,000 feet down led me to watch this video. Well done. This should be a movie.
I feel the CG in most documentaries I watch is horrible, but in this it was actually pretty good. Also, great work as always. Keep it up!
Excellent documentary and CG!!! However - a little known fact - is that the USN did not really have 'no' operational carriers left for that brief period. HMS Victorious (or Illustrious, not sure) was leased from the British to cover the short fall of carriers while awaiting the repairs of Saratoga and Enterprise, commissioning of the Essex classes and the recall of Ranger from the Atlantic. The leased British carrier received radio call-sign 'USS Robin'!
Cool, didn't know that! Nice info!
easternorient
Check out www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious/ or wiki up HMS Victorious (R38)
That's wrong. USS Robin came in December 1942. That's after the naval battle of Guadalcanal. The carrier that came back straight from hell to haunt the Japanese fleet was no other than USS Enterprise CV-6. Yes, the battle wounded Enterprise return to Guadalcanal just in time for the naval battle of Guadalcanal. By 13 November 1942, with her forward elevator still jammed and oil still leaking out of her tank. The Big E returned to the fight and finished off the Hiei battleship that was almost crippled the night before the continuously harassed and sank the troop transports with everything she got. That's the story of the only operational carrier in the Pacific by the end of 1942. The crew posted a sign: "Enterprise vs Japan", and she, the Grey Ghost, actually won. After that, she went to Nouméa on 16 November to complete her repairs.
@@GFTheWriter yes, the participation Big E USS ENTERPRISE although damaged in the battle on November 14-15 was crucial to win the battle
Astoundingly done. Marvelously animated. A jewel piece of CG video! I cannot find enough adjectives to praise this work. Today it is much easier to do a work on this quality: there are several platforms to simulate such sceneries. However this preceded all of them! And even worked on human behaviors, expresions and movements! DCS Supercarrier is just doing this since a couple of years ago and you cannot use it to create characters, lest historical characters! It surely was a task set out with love.
Juno, great video with attention to historical accuracy. Thanks for posting.
This CG is way better than anything you see on Discovery, Nat Geo and History Channel. 30 min of pure battle no interview with war veteran or military expert.
Very fine presentation, quality and attempt at historical accuracy is fantastic
Such a great work! Attention to detail is outstanding
17:36 "I'm done for. I'm going in!" The bravery of these men is unsurpassed.
He was Lt. Commander Shigeharu Murata, the leader of the 1st attack group of this battle well known as the genius of torpedo attack in IJN.
@@otmninri Thank you
Earlier, japanese kamikaze type attacks
This is just AWSOME and to think that that battle actually happened with real men, torpedo, fighter, bomber squadrons and the brave men on both sides. EXCELLENT WORK!!!
Brave japanese pilots they have my respect. They flew right into that wall of fire.
US pilots were brave, also.
Poor japanese airmen :( about 86% of pilots who attacked Pearl Harbor died in war.
Most of them didn´t died at Midway, but it was slow process through first year of war.
In attack on Pearl Harbor died (55), Coral sea died (90), Midway (110), Eastern Solomons (61), but in battle of Santa Cruz were killed (148) japanese pilots, so after this battle were dead least 409 of 765 elite airmans who attacked Pearl Harbor. When japanese commanders realized they need skilled pilot for traning of new pilots was too late. Main problem was they expected it will be fast war and Japan will defeat USA and Britain, so they almost not trained new pilots. Japanese flight schools produced just about 100 navy pilots per year which was too low number to cover looses.
Every pilot who flew into that wall of fire was a hero, regardless of nationality. And providing air cover for your carrier group was quite a thankless task. You'd have the same chance as your enemy of getting shot down by the fleet's anti aircraft batteries.
At that time in the war they were the finest naval aviators in the world. The IJN would remain to be the finest navy that this country has ever faced until the battle of the Philippine sea. We may need Japan's outstanding military tradition with us in the next one.
T months or
the thach weave saved many a carrier pilot early in the war..my great uncle was an aerial radioman/gunner on the Hornet..
he was badly burned when she was hit..but survived and had to be discharged from the navy..he hated to leave..
(My Uncle Randy Boyer commanded the USS Morris, DD417, during this engagement. Gunners from his ship destroyed 6 Japanese aircraft. The Morris repeatedly came alongside the Hornet to fight her many fires..... Also, many of the Hornets wounded sailors were later transferred onto the Morris. The Navy awarded him the Navy Cross for his actions that day.
I had read in several sources about this Battle, but this is the first video on it I have seen, and it is historically accurate.
By the end of the Santa Cruz battle, at least 409 of the 765 elite Japanese carrier aviators who had participated in the attack on Pearl Harbor were dead (148 KIA @ Santa Cruz). The Japanese won a tactical victory at Santa Cruz but were subsequently unable to further exploit the situation to their advantage. The quality and quantity of newly graduated Japanese pilots declined markedly and this severely limited Japanese offensive operations for the remainder of the war.
and the quality of american pilots, tactics, equipment, and battle experience, would continue to rise.
May God bless those men who fought and died in the war and those that who are still with us to this day
Gotta say, The CG work on this puts Hollywood to shame, it was so lifelike and more importantly, believable. Compared to what comes out of those big movie studios... Geezzz this was good. Compared to the latest Midway movie... well, there is no to compare, this beats it all the way!
今観ても素晴らしい仕上がりです。特に発艦時にちゃんと操縦者が操縦席で立ち上がって前方視界を確保しながら発艦していく様子まで再現できているのは、なかなか他の製作動画ではありませんね。当時の実録(白黒)映像などを観ても、例えばラバウル基地からの零戦離陸時にも、同じようにコックピットの風防から頭一つ分出ているのが分かりますから。制作者の細部に渡る心配りがさすがです。
Santa Cruz was also the last of the four great carrier vs carrier battles of 1942. There wouldn't be another one for two years.
This is a fantastic presentation, with only one minor nitpick: in October, 1942, U.S. ships were not yet equipped with the 40 mm AA guns shown here. Decent medium range AA weapons were not yet deployed in the Pacific Fleet at this time.
That being said, congratulations on a remarkable piece of work. Great attention to detail.
Enterprise took significant damage at the battle of the Eastern Solomons in August of 1942. While undergoing repairs at Pearl Harbor from September through mid- October of 1942, four quad 40mm mounts were installed aboard. Just sayin.
@@manilajohn0182 Interesting, I'd forgotten that she steamed east to P.H. after the earlier battle. I was thinking she was down in Noumea and the New Hebrides the whole time until October.
@@tomterific390 A minor detail to be sure. Although not entirely, your statement is still widely accurate. There are a few errors in this video, but it nevertheless remains a classic.
Cheers....
Thanks for the video and translation. A couple of times the CG just looked so real.
It is all the little details in these movies that really make them remarkable. That attention shows the passion and love for this history. Fantastic job!
Master piece.
実写映画を上回る素晴らしい作品だと思います。両軍戦死者皆様方のご冥福をお祈りします。
Oh my lord. I never knew this existed. Time to watch ten times
Good work. Makes the chaos of carrier warfare understandable.
Two things got left out.
The seamanship of the Captain of the Enterprise combing not one but two salvos of torpedoes despite the textbook execution of a "hammerhead attack by the IJN torpedo bombers. Few ships could match the nimble handling of that class of carrier. The skipper made his turns shorter by reversal of engines in the inboard side. There was some damage to the propulsion due to this radical flank speed manuever but he put her into port with no torpedo hits.
Second, Santa Cruz was the first tactical use of VT fuses in 5" DP guns. The IJN strike planes suffered grievously before they could even begin their attack. Surviving strike plane pilots thought the US had invented a 5 inch machine gun. More than anything else, the VT flak of the USN made Santa Cruz a Pyrrhic victory. Carrier survived but the last of their experience strike air crew were killed.
VT Fuse ... It was highly secret, even the gun crews didn't know. It was also a game changer over London. As I understand it, the US didn't share this with anyone hoping that the Axis wouldn't think to develop it too. Super simple tech really. Germany probably could have made it in 2 months.
""How did WWII proximity fuses work?
A micro-transmitter in the proximity fuse within the shell uses the shell's body as an antenna and emits a continuous radio wave. As the shell approaches a reflecting object, the wave bouncing back triggers the detonation when it signals having reached an optimal distance from the target.""
Parts of this were sublime, i.e. the pilots eye views.
Finally - something that depicts the effects of a torpedo more clearly
Excellent. Beautifully presented, more accurate in details than any documentary I have viewed, better CG than Discovery network, certainly more historically accurate than the documentaries shown on the AHC channel. The only thing I could disagree with was the stated reason for the building of the airstrip on Guadalcanal. In several histories I have read that the strip was not being built for the strategic purpose of isolating Australia. As I understand it there was no thought given to that purpose until after the US and Australia invaded. Like the Allies, until the invasion very few in the Japanese military had even heard of Guadalcana. My heartfelt thanks to the creater of this video.
Jorge J Noguera
Very well made. I liked it a lot. Well done.
You do good work, the re-enactment was very well done. Thank you.
Thank you for your posting, Juno!! I like the original video “The Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands（南太平洋海戦）”.
But one day, I found your post with English sub!! It’s amazing for me because you certainly translate old Japanese Navy word, for example, in case when Syokaku(翔鶴) had hit bomb by SBD, IJN soldier told situation of Syokaku like that “We’ve lost a
boiler”. Even Japanese doesn’t usually call one boiler to１缶 in recently!! In particularly this ward was told over 70 years ago in Japan, you know. So you definitely understand wards which are Japanese old style. How did you learn these Japanese old style wards??
By the way, as for me, I’m a Physical Therapist at hospital of Kyoto Japan, and I often care patients of over 85 years to near 100 years old who were solders at WWⅡ. They sometimes told me “I couldn’t talk about WW, even for my family after end of WWⅡ over 70 years because I had so hard experiences at Battle Front. But in currently I think, if I can’t talk about WWⅡ(in particularly their duties were to fight at Philippines to China and Okinawa), nobody will know the realities of War those days. Therefore I’d like to talk with you about this, until I die.”
This original video made by Japanese Web Co about 10 years ago I remember, however you attached Eng sub will make US or foreigners convey realities of Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands, I think. The important things are to understand what they fought for nation and families those days not only US but also Japanese about 75 years ago. And we have to convey the fights of WWⅡ towards next generations for the future. Your translate video will make us share the historical Battle of WWⅡ with each other easily than before!
Sorry for the long message, and please forgive me about my poor English sentences!! I’m looking forward to watching your next posts!!
コメントありがとうございます、英語かなり上手ですよ！
なるほど、理学療法士なんですかー
たくさんの戦争体験者が今でもまだまだ生き残っていて、貴重なお話を聞けるのは凄いですねぇ～！
自分も、できるだけたくさんの人に日本側の戦争体験を伝えたくて翻訳を地道に頑張っています。
ちなみに日本・アメリカのハーフです（笑）
日本に住んでいたのは小学校と中学校の頃で、そのときに日本語を学びました。
今はアメリカの大学で生活しています。
お仕事頑張って下さい！
中村圭
中村圭 so where all here Japan Filipino american I'm a Filipino
You should record what these veterans say for history.
夕𠂇力.........
Very good historically accurate and respectful video!
Great job! I would have left off music during battle scenes to make it more realistic and dramatic, but otherwise this was beautiful production work.
Gonna hafta disagree about the music - Very well done!
Nagumo was like "Nope, not falling for that shit again" and turned when a scout plane was reported shot down pretty early in the battle.
KineticRhyme A hard lesson learned.
@@nikkovallena8249
Child that got scalded with milk never draws nigh the cow.
Great choice for music. Well done!
thanks so lot for your vdo, i was looking for documentary made by japanese and thanks for the english subtitle that can let me understand the entire story
Isoroku Yamamoto was stationed in the United States for several years as a soldier. He understood better than anyone else that the longer the war dragged on, the more Japan would find itself in dire straits. He was concerned that the war had started before Japan's overall national strength and war potential had reached a sufficient level. He knew full well that Japan could not win the war if it fought properly, and he wanted to destroy the American carrier fleet in one fell swoop while the war was still in Japan's favor, thereby eliminating the American desire to continue the war and bring about an early peace.
However, the "Battle of Midway" to achieve this goal resulted in the destruction of Japan's main carrier fleet due to the ineptitude of the Japanese commanders in the face of overwhelming odds. Of course, Admiral Yamamoto felt strongly responsible for the failure to achieve the objective in the Battle of Midway under his command. He probably foresaw Japan's defeat at this point. I imagine that his subsequent actions were intended to intentionally patrol the front lines of the South Pacific, where enemy aircraft were flying overhead, and apologize to the Emperor with an honorable death in battle.
I wonder what would have happened if the us carriers had been sunk at midway, along with the fall of the island.
Thank the right people for both the art and the human portrayal!
Splendid translation too!
salute to the brave Japanese : from India with love & respect.
Well at that time Japanese weren't like the ones they are now lol.
They were imperialistic and if British/US forces didn't stopped them, they would have invaded India as well at that time, but yeah the revolutionists would have sided with Japanese if that happened
@@xsupremeyx9923 usa was a great mother fu.....
That was brilliantly done.
「16:45」 体当たりしたのは、佐藤(Sato)兵曹長(warrant officer)の爆撃機だな。
I'm not a fan of Halsey once he gets promoted to higher and higher commands, but this him at his peak and in his most challenging role. Some have asked if he was too rash in sending his last carriers out to fight at Santa Cruz - but he had Ghormley's failures to consider and, as he wrote afterwards to Nimitz, "I felt I had to start throwing punches".
And he did have to; there was no other option. If he hadn't sent Kincaid to engage, Nagumo would have been free to flatten Henderson and put the whole of Cactus in jeopardy. This, like the horrendous sacrifice of 1st Naval Guadalcanal less than a month later, was an absolutely necessary defensive action which Halsey could not avoid ordering, despite the horrible risks.
Ironically, these two defeats are actually peak Halsey and he deserves credit for having the guts to sacrifice his own men, which we know he felt terrible about doing.
salute to all who fought in this battle.
This is beyond impressive!
The superficial impression that most get about the Battle of Midway is that the balance of carriers swung decisively over to the U.S. side thereafter. This later battle, that has hitherto passed me by, demonstrates that there was, indeed, no such swing at all. Thanks for this very realistic uploading, therefore.
I might be wrong but at the end of the vid there is an aerial shot of a Yorktown class carrier with a destroyer along side. I believe that is the Yorktown with the Destroyer Hamman, before she was torpedoed by an I-Boat which sunk them both. All in all a very good effort, kudos!
The sinking of Yorktown happened during the battle of midway, not in santa cruz
Absolutely correct--- Santa Cruz WAS the turning point! Midway and Coral Sea were the battles of containment were the US stopped the Japanese advance. They were not the turning points. Santa Cruz WAS the turning point. Yet how many Americans have ever heard of the Battle of Santa Cruz? Hollywood has done two flashy, sexy, big bucks movies on 'Midway', but nothing on Santa Cruz! Thank you for a great video! Now howsa about one on the Battle of the Eastern Solomons?
男たちの大和の戦闘シーン。この人に依頼すればよかったのに・・・ちゃんと記録に基づいた攻撃シーンを作成してくれたことでしょう。
私もそう思いました。 カット割り、レイアウト、全てにおいて素晴らしい。 変なお涙頂戴も無いし。
「娯楽映画」と「ドキュメント」をいっしょにしちゃいかんよ。
こんな映画を上映してもマニアは喜ぶかもしれんが、収益は得られんよ。
The Hornet was built very well. Took a severe beating from all sides and still was tough to put down.
Japanese lost large % of their veteran pilots so it wasn’t just a “shortage of carrier aircraft” that put an end to Kido Butai.
I think that started happening in 1943/1944 but before that they still had skilled pilots.
@@masterchicken9964 This battle cost them most of their good carrier pilots they still had good pilots until 44 but not carrier pilots.
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Those poor tail gunners, on both sides. A US MA2 50. cal creates a temporary wound cavity that exceeds the size of a human body. In other words you're a pink mist w/ large chunks. God knows what those 20mm the Japanese had did. Crazy brave on both sides.
frankdrebin if .50 cal can make a big hole in your body 20 mm would either Cut your body in half or turn you into liquid
I was completely engrossed in this movie. The terrific soundtrack was very integral in my enjoyment.
Pretty good account. It was the attrition in the last of the quality well trained veteran carrier aircrews, though, that I think had the bigger strategic implications for the IJN. It had an effect on the remaining Naval battles whereas our shortage in carriers were about to be supplemented by the Essex Class carriers coming off of shipyard ways within months of this battle.In that regard I'd still call Savo Island our worst night in '42.And that could've been worse yet if only Mikawa knew where our carriers were . . . or weren't in that case.
この手の動画のコメント欄に、何故か中国人がコメントして文句書いてあるの何で？
Magnificent ! Does anybody know about something like this about incredible Tanaka's performance at Tassafaronga ?
Who is Tochibayashi Masaru and how do I find more of their work?! it really brings the entire battle to life.
Here is a UA-cam playlist for all of his publicly available works: ua-cam.com/play/PLjCI08mvNrK0353lAyNQh7nALpD9T4GW3.html
He also worked on the special effects in the Eternal Zero movie!
@@-juno-takaleon3830 thank you so much
NGL I keep coming back for the sound effects, let alone the rest of the well-researched history and animation quality.
Beautifully done. I think Santa Cruz is the true turning point of the Pacific War. For after this Japan could no longer challenge US’s command of the sea and control of the skies.
In the scene at around 16:53 where the Val (Type 99) crashes into the Hornet, the 500 pound bomb it was carrying did not explode.
The damage to the Hornet could have been repaired had it not been hit by a torpedo.
Amazing, love to see more of this !
Good Lord....flying a torpedo bomber on either side was incredibly brave! What stouthearted men!
Just finished Samurai!, and poking around. As you all know, Saburo Sakai's depictions are incredible, with amazing details. You are IN his pilot seat, while seriously wounded. The editing of this depiction is fabulous. Incredible high energy.
I'd like to see more animations like this
The narrative is a little confused, but the execution is brilliant. Well done.
More than a few mistakes. F4F Wildcats in 1942 didn't have wing tanks. Ship positions weren't identified by clock position back to the carrier, because that would have been meaningless to the carrier.
You'll find pictures of F4Fs [F4F-4s to be exact] during Operation "Torch" in Nov 1942 with two 58 US gal drop tanks, just like portrayed in this documentary so I would rather trust these than repeat every "fact" from some online source.
Great CG work.
At 16:33 and 16:52 Shigeyuki Sato Aichi D3-A1
祖国のために戦い抜い死んでいった多くの搭乗員たち、君たちのことは忘れない！
best damn representation of Battle of Santa Cruz I've ever seen
nice well done,
Love your 1st Tennessee Infantry Flag buddy. Or should I say Polk's Corps Flag? Anyway, very cool to see.
This battle is a pyrrhic victory for Japan. The cost, in terms of experienced airmen and planes, ensures that Japan would no longer have the capacity to contest the US air supremacy in the Pacific. The lost of veteran airmen at this battle really cost the Japanese in the long run, especially against the newcomers at the Pacific Theater: the Hellcats. The rest is history.
Way more realistic than midway, pearl harbor and many ohter cgi effect ww2 movies.
Awesome job, well done.
Cómo me hubiera gustado que también estuviera subtitulado al español un saludo desde Málaga 😊☺️☺️
The bad guys are the power hungry, maliciously ambitious and cruel leaders and individuals that started wars to satisfy theirs selfish reasons. The majority of the soldiers are just good men whose has family and good hearts lie most of us. But they had to fight because of sworn duty. It’s tragic that so many good men and potential friends were lost in many pointless wars!!
can you do a video on the battle of midway?
Good job really. Need to make more of this...
very very impressive
Did that gunner at 15:20 just flip off the wildcats? Haha this is so well done and more entertaining that most documentaries. Subscribed.
Nah bruh Japanese gunners are useless and their toepedo bombers are soo weak also i never seen that japan gunner rhat shot down the us plane before
No, he fired a short burst to draw attention of his fellow rear gunner and then pointed at incoming F4Fs. I don't think many Japanese would even knew the meaning of the gesture you're talking about. Different culture, different customs.
2 fleets of well trained and heroic sailors and airmen. The world will never see this again.
This could be the CG pre-visualization ('digital storyboard') for a big scale Pacific War movie. However, whatever you do, DO NOT offer it to Hollywood to produce. They will include a sappy, unconvincing romance, one or two unrealistically heroic American hero pilot dudes who singlehandedly win the battle for the USN. And then the same two heroic American fighterpilots somehow end up manning a B-29 Superfortress near the end of the war, personally delivering the atomic bombs on Japan, winning the war for Murica!!!
このような動画を見ていると戦争は絶対にしてはいけない気持ちになる。
戦場で戦うのは常に政治家ではなく庶民（国民）なのだから。
ウクライナ人に同じこと言えるか？
@@secondgoto6739
短絡的な思考の、きんととレベルで幼すぎる。
国防戦は「鎌倉幕府」の為に戦わず、「仲間、恋人、家族」の為に戦った。モンゴル軍九州侵略「元寇」の、８００年前の日本人も同じだった！
Well done!
Enterprise's crew made what repairs they could, but one of her three elevators was jammed, in the up position fortunately.
A banner was strung on her deck: Enterprise vs Japan.
There is a film, someplace, taken on board of the Hornet that shows her twisting and turning, taking bomb hits. It is incredible to watch. So is this CGI presentation.
Great CG. It would appear the IJN dedicated and committed too many aircraft and airmen to cause severe damage on the US carriers.
What the IJN really needed to do was take advantage of their other vessels. They needed to bring the battle in close where battleships could fire at the US carriers which were damaged by a first wave of planes but then finished off by their vessels. By this time it was perhaps too late. This strategy needed to be used at the Battle of Midway.
They tried to catch the enemy fleet for a surface engagement during the battle of midway too, but the american ships retreated before the japanese could reach and attack them
@@julianbe5657 you’re talking about the wrong order and position.
The fast surface ships should have been placed in front for the IJN before the battle even began.
Santa Cruz is somewhat irrelevant since it was Midway that really counted.
So fast surface ships in front not behind. Carriers in back not in front. Carriers have 2/3 fighters not 2/3 bombers.
Yorktown was eventually sunk by IJN sub but fast surface ships like cruisers and destroyers or even the Kongo class battleships could have caught and taken out wound US carriers.
In this scenario, the IJN surface ships would have CAP and at this stage the US would have no planes left.
The other IJN battleships including Yamato opened up shelling Midway atoll at night.
The IJN potentially could have had 9 carriers at Midway. They actually already had 6 but didn’t position the 2 smaller carriers very well.
The US couldn’t stop over 500 IJN planes vs their 230 carrier planes.
@@f430ferrari5 i see what you mean, and it seems like a very valid strategy, especially having the carriers further back than the surface groups is something i agree would have been much better. But if the carriers were to reduce their number of attack planes, they would not have any chance of sinking the american carriers if they could not catch up to them. And if the american fleet really needed to, they could leave the escort ships behind to slow down the advance of the japanese surface group, and then the carriers would not have the right planes to go after the carriers either
@@julianbe5657 you do realize at the actual Battle of Midway the number of vessels were like this:
IJN - 11 battleships, 17 cruisers, 49 destroyers, 16 subs plus 4 main carriers and 2 light carriers.
The above doesn’t include the Aleutians force which had 2 mid size carriers, 5 cruisers and 15 destroyers.
Now even with the 4 main carriers with 2/3 fighters what folks don’t realize is they with the strategy of the carriers back and plane mixture change then the IJN would have been able to load an additional 10 planes each on average.
The IJN only had 248 attack planes at the actual battle of Midway. 2/3 bombers. This left only 80-85 fighter planes.
Bombers are larger and heavier than fighter planes. Bombs are heavy also and take up space. So let’s switch to 2/3 fighters and out their carriers to closer to capacity.
1. Akagi - 85
2. Kaga - 85
3. Hiryu -70
4. Soryu - 70
310 planes where 1/3 bombers = so still 103 bombers from the 4 main carriers.
The two light carriers would have had mainly fighter planes also. Zuiho 25-30 total planes and Hosho 10-15 total planes.
In this strategy of the carriers kept back then the IJN would have brought Carrier Zuikaku to Midway. She was not damaged at Battle of Coral Sea.
So this is another 75-80 planes. 25-30 more bombers. This is close to the original amount.
If the Aleutians 2 mid size carriers were used at Midway then it’s just more overkill.
So the IJN still had enough bombers as you can see.
@@f430ferrari5 the reason that the zuikaku didnt participate was because of the great loss or planes and pilots at the coral sea. The carrier was intact but had lost a great deal of planes and pilots. Again i do agree with you, but i still think that a coordinated air strike would be more effective at hitting aircraft carriers. Also the reason the japanese put the carrier divisions in the front and at great risk was probably because they underestimated the enemy
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Wreck of the USS Hornet founded by the ship R/V Petrel, from Paul Allen's (RIP) team, on january 22nd 2019. Deep : 5.400m.
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