I'm from Pak and Pakiatan Army had shotlisted these two helicopters and tested them thoroughly after all kind of testing they chose T129, but its uses American Engine and US refused to approve this deal...so Pakistan had to go for Chinese Z10 Now but with some modification as per our requirment This case study proves that Turkish T129 is indeed a better attack helicopter than Chinese One, atleast if we talk about the older version of Z10...Cant say about newer version the one modified for Pakistan
T-129 is the former Agusta A-129 Mangusta and The initial version Z10 and the latest version are huge different It is known that the weapons and military equipment that the United States decides to sell and supply to its allies other than the Israeli ally are subject to oversight, filtering, and approval by the J.e/w/is/h lobby in Congress, which makes these weapons and military equipment lose many of their advantages, so that they appear to be generations behind what Israel has In addition to political blackmail On the other hand, Russia and China do not have anything prohibited in this matter as long as there are those who pay and are opposed to American policy
@@DZ-Fightertamamen eksik ve yanlış bilgi veriyorsun . Senin yazdiklarin 2020 yılında kaldı . T129 yerli motorunu ve yerli silahlarını kullanıyor yıl:2024
Pakis now helping Bengalas to fight Chinese supplied terrorist from Burma , hoping this will not effect future supply of spare parts for gear from China to Pak !
If you want to live in peace, we must be ready to fight at any time. This is also defined as deterrence. In other words, when your enemies see that you are strong and ready to fight, they will stop attacking you and will be afraid.
One canot compare two flying platforms by paper stats. It's misleading and unreliable. Moreover, Turkish has a policy of not publishing them properly. So you have only guesses or preliminary requirements which were set forth even before the platform first fly; and which are far from actual. However, field exerience tell us that customers are happy, but it is not a comparison quality either.
T129 is a joint production of TAI and Leonardo companies. Augusta is not related to A-129 Mangusta. Augusta is twice as powerful as A-129 Mangusta. Design, avionics and armament are different. Software etc.
@@kazimkorkmaz Agusta (not Augusta) joined Westland as Agusta Westland in 2000, then in the end was absorbed by Leonardo in 2016. T-129 is a derivative of the A129, certainly following an evolution path, but the origin is the italian Agusta A129.
@@alex3261 That's what I mean. A129 was developed with the Turkish-Italian partnership and became T129. The Agusta/Augusta issue is a small oversight. Sorry.
@@alex3261 only the airframe. Engines, avionics, everything is different. A-129 has 4 rotor blades, T-129 has 5. They only look the same but TUSAS made it to the beast it is today. Even the italian are astonished what Türkiye has achieved.
*Çin dışında yaşayan 40 milyondan fazla çinlinin youtube erişimi var, ayrıca vpn kullanarak google servislerine giren çinli sayısı yüzmilyonlara ulaşıyor, bunların yanına Türkiye karşıtlığının tavan yaptığı ermeni, yunan, sırp, pers ve yerli bölücü unsurlarında youtube'ye erişimleri var. Uzun lafın kısası insanlar Türk helikopterini beğeniyorlarsa bu sayımızın çokluğundan değil görüş farkından kaynaklanıyor, saygı duymayı öğrenmelisin ONUR!!!* Türkçe cevap vermemden inşaAllah rahatsız olmamışsındır, sanki bundan da rahatsız olacakmışsın gibi geldi de :)
The major difference is that: for ATAk, it is hard to sell it because turky does not manufacture all the parts of the Helicopter and it does not have the licence to sell it, but for the Z10 is a full chinese helicopter they can do whatever they want with it
Tirkish Atack helicopter is just what is says on the tin ATTACK very fierce. Chineese one looks like a general air service vehicle like a hospital mission.. ❤🇹🇷🕋❤
Obviously....why do you need to reinvent the wheel? If the set up is effective and proven why do you need to change it ? Just say thank you to the AH-64!!😂
Seeing that both of the these helicopters chose to copy the AH-64 design, what does that say about the KA-50 family of attack helicopters? Why aren't any countries copying that design?
The AH64 Apache is a heavy attack helicopter. You need to understand this first. The T129 described in the video has a different mission. It is considered a light attack helicopter. You are comparing helicopters that do completely different jobs. You also said that this is a copy of that, is there a need to rediscover America? What kind of design do you want? Like a UFO? I don't know if you've ever seen the KA-50, but do you think you can understand it? How are you going to do the same tasks as a light attack helicopter with a huge helicopter? Do you not know math?
I can only distinguish between Russian and American helicopters, the rest is too similar 😂😂😂😂 Europeans, Turks, Chinese and South Africans are all the same😅
@joeallencaseres2035 china is way more advanced than turkey. The z10 is heavier armor plated and has stronger engines 1200 kw vs 1000kw. I'd put my money on china over turkey any day.
@@bozok6360 LOL how does that show to you the Z10 is not good? The T129 is fine but it doesn't have much armor like the heavier Z10 which btw uses Chinese engines of 1200+KW. The T129 uses only 1000Kw engines which the Turkish can't make. The US cut off these engines when they wanted to export the T129 to Pakistan. The Chinese are way more advanced than the Turkish. The WZ10 is at least as good as the T129 if not better because of stronger engines and armor plating.
@@darksword1 relax . I wanted to say that you can not compare the U.S engines with Chinese ones . You know the reason why? Second thing is yes Turkey does not make those engines and what ? We are discussing these the U.S made engines on T129 and they are better than Chinese ones. Also, Chinese do not have that much war experience. This Turkish made airplane was made with military experience that the Turkish army possess . They know what is good on the battlefield and what is not. They build then use it and improve the weapon further. Having fast engines is not a sign of superiority Russian gets faster then F 35 . So what ? The U.S made their aircraft with superior radars and missiles that can hit enemies miles away so fast engines are not priority anymore.because dog fight are ww2 era thing not 21 century
Compare Turkish helicopters with Russian ones . The Chinese would keep bettering till they get the best . They have both the skills and the money to do that . Russians have neither .
@@EsHaQ2025RoBiN I can say this about the atak helicopter, It carries out operations deep into Iraq every week and has proven to be a much better helicopter than the Ah-1. It was targeted many times but it did not fall, once our Ah-1 fell but the atak helicopter can escape from manpads
@Lol-wj5uj Only American and Russian technologies are better than all other countries. Turkish buy machines and engines along with other technologies, and then they assemble all the parts in Turkey. Then they label them as Made in Turkey. 😆 🤣
İdiot gibi yazacağına bak bakalım şimdi hangi motor var .T 129 eski daha iyisi ve Türk motorla üstelik.Eskidendi dışarıdan her şeyi alıp montajlamak. Bilmiyorsan öğren öyle yaz...
Biggest and most important difference between both is : ATAK is combat proven and has active combat record where the Z-10 did air shows only.
Savaşan helikopter savaşmayan helokopterden üstündür
@anarquliyev aynen öyle kardeşim
It is a good informative video, Turkish T129 Attack helicopter is proved in real combat and sold to Philippine and other countries.
That’s a good point!
Both good copters, but T129 better avionics and has proven itself on the battlefield.
I'm from Pak and Pakiatan Army had shotlisted these two helicopters and tested them thoroughly after all kind of testing they chose T129, but its uses American Engine and US refused to approve this deal...so Pakistan had to go for Chinese Z10 Now but with some modification as per our requirment
This case study proves that Turkish T129 is indeed a better attack helicopter than Chinese One, atleast if we talk about the older version of Z10...Cant say about newer version the one modified for Pakistan
T-129 is the former Agusta A-129 Mangusta and The initial version Z10 and the latest version are huge different
It is known that the weapons and military equipment that the United States decides to sell and supply to its allies other than the Israeli ally are subject to oversight, filtering, and approval by the J.e/w/is/h lobby in Congress, which makes these weapons and military equipment lose many of their advantages, so that they appear to be generations behind what Israel has
In addition to political blackmail
On the other hand, Russia and China do not have anything prohibited in this matter as long as there are those who pay and are opposed to American policy
@@DZ-Fightertamamen eksik ve yanlış bilgi veriyorsun . Senin yazdiklarin 2020 yılında kaldı . T129 yerli motorunu ve yerli silahlarını kullanıyor yıl:2024
@@DZ-FighterRussia and China have export resrriction. They dont sell their best technology to other country. They keep their trump card.
Pakis now helping Bengalas to fight Chinese supplied terrorist from Burma , hoping this will not effect future supply of spare parts for gear from China to Pak !
Artık motorlar yerli. Yakında hiç dışarıdan motor almayacağız
The T129 ATAK helicopter has a service ceiling of 6,096 meters.
Without t129, Philippines lawless elements ratio 65persent combatants warrior, when t129 has arrived in Philippines Air force.down ratio,38 persent.
Both impressive with some unique features
Unfortunately, some information in the video is incorrect. Both the empty weight and the full weight of the T129 are expressed as 5056.
T 129
The initial version Z10 and the latest version are huge different.
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🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🙋♂️
turkish helicoptes👍
*Italian
So, T129 has the same empty and max. take off weights ? :))
All the Turkish products best all the world's now
Woww TURKEY 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇵🇸💪💪
Atak savaş ortamında devamlı güncelleme yapılan sınıfının en iyisi Z 10 ancak bayram günlerinde bebek güldürmek için var
why do we need so many wars?
politics
savaş istemiyorsan ona hazır olmak zorundasın
If you want to live in peace, we must be ready to fight at any time. This is also defined as deterrence. In other words, when your enemies see that you are strong and ready to fight, they will stop attacking you and will be afraid.
T-129 Atak wins
ATAK-2 destroys Z10
One canot compare two flying platforms by paper stats. It's misleading and unreliable. Moreover, Turkish has a policy of not publishing them properly. So you have only guesses or preliminary requirements which were set forth even before the platform first fly; and which are far from actual. However, field exerience tell us that customers are happy, but it is not a comparison quality either.
True, real-world testing is crucial
T 129 bether
🇹🇷TÜRKLER EN İYİSİ
🇹🇷❤🎉
T-129 is the former Agusta A-129 Mangusta
T129 is a joint production of TAI and Leonardo companies. Augusta is not related to A-129 Mangusta. Augusta is twice as powerful as A-129 Mangusta. Design, avionics and armament are different. Software etc.
@@kazimkorkmaz Agusta (not Augusta) joined Westland as Agusta Westland in 2000, then in the end was absorbed by Leonardo in 2016. T-129 is a derivative of the A129, certainly following an evolution path, but the origin is the italian Agusta A129.
@@alex3261 That's what I mean. A129 was developed with the Turkish-Italian partnership and became T129. The Agusta/Augusta issue is a small oversight. Sorry.
Mangusta and Atak are so different.
Yes at the begining Turks take some helping from ltaly, thats true.
@@alex3261 only the airframe. Engines, avionics, everything is different. A-129 has 4 rotor blades, T-129 has 5. They only look the same but TUSAS made it to the beast it is today. Even the italian are astonished what Türkiye has achieved.
If UA-cam wasn't banned in China, the messages we would read here would be very different :)
*Çin dışında yaşayan 40 milyondan fazla çinlinin youtube erişimi var, ayrıca vpn kullanarak google servislerine giren çinli sayısı yüzmilyonlara ulaşıyor, bunların yanına Türkiye karşıtlığının tavan yaptığı ermeni, yunan, sırp, pers ve yerli bölücü unsurlarında youtube'ye erişimleri var. Uzun lafın kısası insanlar Türk helikopterini beğeniyorlarsa bu sayımızın çokluğundan değil görüş farkından kaynaklanıyor, saygı duymayı öğrenmelisin ONUR!!!*
Türkçe cevap vermemden inşaAllah rahatsız olmamışsındır, sanki bundan da rahatsız olacakmışsın gibi geldi de :)
The made in Türkiye it's NATO's quality it's more better
The major difference is that: for ATAk, it is hard to sell it because turky does not manufacture all the parts of the Helicopter and it does not have the licence to sell it, but for the Z10 is a full chinese helicopter they can do whatever they want with it
Tirkish Atack helicopter is just what is says on the tin ATTACK very fierce.
Chineese one looks like a general air service vehicle like a hospital mission..
❤🇹🇷🕋❤
Now I want to play War Thunder. 😊
Both look like they took a lot if “inspiration” from the AH-64. Just look how at the gun mounts are set up.
Obviously....why do you need to reinvent the wheel? If the set up is effective and proven why do you need to change it ? Just say thank you to the AH-64!!😂
Seeing that both of the these helicopters chose to copy the AH-64 design, what does that say about the KA-50 family of attack helicopters? Why aren't any countries copying that design?
Better go see optician...Is the Apache the same with both aircaft..Silly.
@@yours_sincerely48 Better take English lessons, your reply was gibberish
The AH64 Apache is a heavy attack helicopter. You need to understand this first. The T129 described in the video has a different mission. It is considered a light attack helicopter. You are comparing helicopters that do completely different jobs. You also said that this is a copy of that, is there a need to rediscover America? What kind of design do you want? Like a UFO?
I don't know if you've ever seen the KA-50, but do you think you can understand it? How are you going to do the same tasks as a light attack helicopter with a huge helicopter? Do you not know math?
I can only distinguish between Russian and American helicopters, the rest is too similar 😂😂😂😂
Europeans, Turks, Chinese and South Africans are all the same😅
🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷
Z-10😂😂😂 bad👎👎👎👎
It's A-129 Italian Helicopter 🇮🇹
O eskidendi, şimdi daha iyisi ve tam Türk var
Videodaki eski helikopter
Z10 is the best
Not even close to th t129. T129 best
@joeallencaseres2035 china is way more advanced than turkey. The z10 is heavier armor plated and has stronger engines 1200 kw vs 1000kw. I'd put my money on china over turkey any day.
@@darksword1 NATO standard , plus the US engines tell me that the Chinese one is not good . On top of it t 129 combat proven
@@bozok6360 LOL how does that show to you the Z10 is not good? The T129 is fine but it doesn't have much armor like the heavier Z10 which btw uses Chinese engines of 1200+KW. The T129 uses only 1000Kw engines which the Turkish can't make. The US cut off these engines when they wanted to export the T129 to Pakistan. The Chinese are way more advanced than the Turkish. The WZ10 is at least as good as the T129 if not better because of stronger engines and armor plating.
@@darksword1 relax . I wanted to say that you can not compare the U.S engines with Chinese ones . You know the reason why? Second thing is yes Turkey does not make those engines and what ? We are discussing these the U.S made engines on T129 and they are better than Chinese ones. Also, Chinese do not have that much war experience. This Turkish made airplane was made with military experience that the Turkish army possess . They know what is good on the battlefield and what is not. They build then use it and improve the weapon further. Having fast engines is not a sign of superiority Russian gets faster then F 35 . So what ? The U.S made their aircraft with superior radars and missiles that can hit enemies miles away so fast engines are not priority anymore.because dog fight are ww2 era thing not 21 century
Leonardo italian helicopter wins
Beide hubschreiber sind schrott
griechen produzieren nur feta käse🤣
Z-10🇨🇳💪🇨🇳💪🇨🇳💪🇨🇳💪🇨🇳💪
T129 Assembled products
意大利A129 不是土耳其😘
Полностью турецкий читай сынок загугли
Giydiği kiloda kadar dünyayı kopyalayan bir çinli mi bunu söylüyor ?
@WwerttoSejdfhk 是意大利原创😘
Compare Turkish helicopters with Russian ones .
The Chinese would keep bettering till they get the best . They have both the skills and the money to do that .
Russians have neither .
Neither one is good.
Only American and Russian made helicopters are good.
other countries is also trying to make better
@JetlineMarvel
All other countries copy their stuff from Russia and America.
@@EsHaQ2025RoBiN I can say this about the atak helicopter, It carries out operations deep into Iraq every week and has proven to be a much better helicopter than the Ah-1. It was targeted many times but it did not fall, once our Ah-1 fell but the atak helicopter can escape from manpads
@Lol-wj5uj
Only American and Russian technologies are better than all other countries. Turkish buy machines and engines along with other technologies, and then they assemble all the parts in Turkey. Then they label them as Made in Turkey. 😆 🤣
Z10 is good.
Atak is a Italian helicopter not turkish😂😂😂 stop propaganda
Mangusta
this anti turkish propaganda is so weird, you guys are bots?
only the airframe was made with italy, everything else is turkish.
@eren3390 airframe??😂😂😂 Turkiye made engine?? Name of engine company? Maybe avionics is a turkish and painting 🖌️ .
@ iran = 🤡
@@ashoorazhar699achieve a google search: TEI TS1400
İdiot gibi yazacağına bak bakalım şimdi hangi motor var .T 129 eski daha iyisi ve Türk motorla üstelik.Eskidendi dışarıdan her şeyi alıp montajlamak. Bilmiyorsan öğren öyle yaz...
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