W tommy. Max drove a perfect race and put the car above where it deserves to be. He finished above a mclaren and both the ferraris. It was the maximum that he could achieve.
@@AlexSteenOlsen tommy is a max fan, and a piastri fan, an alonso fan and a tsunoda fan and probably also a bearman, leclerc, russel………..fan. Dude is a fan of 6 drivers 😂. Glory hunter. Can’t really take him seriously. Matt is acting like a 6yo when leclerc is mentioned but at least he’s a real fan and doesn’t just support anyone doing well.
@@michaelshore2300 Max is still great his car is shite at the moment. In my humble opinion if you don't make mistakes and drive the car to it's limits then you deserve a ten. I think Max got a point deduction due to dislike and bad performance of mechanical parts. That's out his control..
In this case I think they actually had a point though - their car didn't look good enough to score on merit alone so take the 'wrong' strategy and hope the inevitable safety car happens at the time that is most advantageous to you... Didn't work, but I don't think they actually lost anything by trying it and had it worked maybe they grab a points scoring position or two.
Max drove consistently perfect for almost the whole race to make sure neither Oscar, Lewis or George could threaten him. But first, he had to qualifying at the front end, which is quite the performance already, considering Norris was able to gap him in the race by over 0.5s a lap. It was clear that Max wrung every last tenth out of that RB and he drove a perfect race to keep others at bay.
Not really. He did good yeah but red bull changed something before qualifying. Max was 2nd all quali. It’s annoying cause things like these male the max fans think their „max is 1 second faster than everyone else and it’s a miracle that he can drag the 8th fastest car to a podium“ delusions are correct. I thought they would stop with that since it’s obvious that max is just like any other amazing driver but no every tiny chance they get they start acting like last year
Of course Max is a 10. That car at that track was a recipe for Lando taking a massive chunk out of his lead. And he was just like "Nope, not on my watch, I'm getting every last bit of performance I can get out of this thing". And like Tommy said, he didn't make several mistakes in the race like Lando did. Giving Lando 10 and Max 9 is just completely ignoring context.
Mclaren has the fastest car for the biggest part of the season, still, max leads the world championship by 52 points and norris somehow gets better ratings
@@MCFoultieralso lando made loads of small mistakes in front. Nearly shunting it into the barrier. If Max made these mistakes and got p2, he would've gotten a 6. Its winner bias
I love how your criteria are always stable guys "I will give Stroll a 4 because he was only 40 seconds behind his teammate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣,his quali compromised the race" "I will give Piastri a 7 because he had good car this weekend and finished only 41 seconds behind his teammate,his quali compromised the race"
Honestly the inconsistencies in grading and commentary based like 80/20 on vibes vs facts… I love the boys, but I want to see them do better in this area. It has gotten a bit out of hand as of late.
The outcome is totally different in those two examples there's, stroll didn't make any ground or fix it from a shit quali, piastri made ground and saved a reasonable outcome after a 'poor" qualifying. Its not apples to apples
@@yordlejay6820 Oscar drives a rocketship that made Norris win by 20 seconds even if he crashed 2 times , while stroll an aston martin If you cant understand this im sorry
Lewis didn't pick his strategy,Lewis said, “The night before they had already mentioned they would like to split the cars, I was a bit perplexed by it. We were so close, it didn’t make sense to me. I battled as hard as I could to fight to go on the medium tyre but the team continued to suggest that I start on the soft and when they took the tyre blankets off, everyone was on mediums… I was so angry.” ,giving him a 6 is insane
Yeah, this episode was recorded before we saw the statement as I believe this was released later than normal due to both the drivers not feeling well after the race. Whether it would have changed our grades, you'll have to see in another podcast when we address it! We had to record this quicker than normal due to the fact Tommy was going on holiday this week :)
Max indeed should be a 10. The reason? Norris got a lot of driver of the day and 10 scores when he had a worse car and made it better than it should; and that is exactly what Max did this weekend,.
As a McLaren fan, 100% Verstappen deserves a 10/10. He maximised the result and put 20 seconds on one of our drivers in the rocket ship that we have. Phenomenal drive from the guy
Max deserves the 10. He didn't allow Lando to score the points delta he needs to score each remaining weekend for Lando to win the championship. Max won the weekend, in context to the driver's championship.
This time I do agree with Max getting a 10, nothing more he could have extracted from that car, even managing to stay on P2 is somewhat a miracle considering the past few races. Not only that he also didn't make a single mistake that could have gone horrible unlike Lando
As a Max fan, and American... I am really pulling for Calapinto. He has been sensational, IMO. I hate that Logan couldn't cut it, but Calapinto has been an absolute joy to watch.
@@tonyjunior92 because its usually crazy argentinian fans who give praise to colapinto. and americans are supposed to be butthurt cause he replaced logan. how hard could it be to figure this out on your own
@@jonathannovak2881 i mean he made a slight mistake in quali. And then lost laptime in dirty air. It was a fair race from him. 7 is a fair rating. leclerc on the other hand qualified in 9th and came back in the race. 7 was fair for both. pretty similar mistakes and similar races.
I agree with Tommy (FWIW) - I agree that Piastri underperformed in quali, no doubt there, but he delivered in the race to recover it, and unlike others, actually put in on-track passes to make it work (the Haas on lap 1, and both Mercs later on). A score of 6 is a ridiculous suggestion.
Except he didn’t recover it. All he did was overtake 2 significantly slower cars by over cutting. Why should Piastri be graded highly for finishing 40s behind his teammate? Then it’s completely the car that’s influencing the ranking and not driver performance.
Oscar should be finishing second, in what was clearly a dominant car in Lando’s hands. But he instead finished 20 seconds behind Max, 40+ seconds behind Lando. A six suggests he did alright, which I think can be argued against
@@dangraycon I don’t think a 6 is fair for Oscar. He had one mistake in qualifying and this track is basically Monica 2.0. People saying he finished 40+ seconds behind Norris like that actually means something on this track and I think that sentiment is ridiculous. Oscar was made to go long and he was losing 1.5 seconds a lap in dirty air and on old mediums to Norris, he didn’t have track position and this track is notoriously difficult for overtaking. Oscar was on a plan C strategy and Lando was on a Plan A, so in my opinion you can’t even compare their race. If you contrast quali in Singapore to a track like Baku Lando is lucky his Baku quali was on a track where you can make up for a poor quali. Also if you compare Lando’s, Oscars and Leclercs lap times in free air, they were all doing the same pace within a tenth of one another. This race was a gimme and Lando benefited from not having to fight Charles or Oscar because realistically they were the only ones with the pace that could’ve challenged Norris. Norris won this race in qualifying, it’s that simple.
@@JohnnyB-w8jOscar just getting graded high because his car was dominant. Alonso-Stroll, Ocon - Gasly, etc were roughly the same distance but they didn’t have a dominant car to carry them.
Lando had worse qualifying last week and not even touch the podium but still rated higher than Oscar in this race, Matt is always bias towards British (and Charles)
He was slower in Q3 than he was in Q2. Plus everyone is assuming the Redbull is poor because of a completely different car 1 year ago. By the same logic McLaren wasn’t the fastest car in Singapore 2024 because Ferrari was the fastest car in 2023.
yuki had a poor start, lost like 3 positions and ended four places down. Sure he had poor strategy and what not but that DEFINITELY wasnt over a 6 let alone an 8
That VCARB is one of the worst cars on the start. I think both VCARB drivers have lost the most grid positions at the start simply cause how bad the car is
Some really interesting ratings. Max definitely deserved a 10. Perfect race from him. I am with Tommy that Max should be the p1 for the week. Lando could have gotten the fastest lap if he avoided the mistakes. Perez, getting knocked in Q1 on arguably the 2nd or maybe 3rd fastest car and then failing to pass a Williams and a Haas and still getting a 4 is crazy... Lewis on the other hand, got cooked by Mercedes and getting p3 in Qualifier only 2 points ahead.
Lewis did not choose the soft tyres, he was complaining the entire race about the strategy they put him on, and Lewis even admitted he argued to be on Mediums but the team ignored him and put him on Soft's even Russel said soon as he saw the softs he knew Lewis would be pissed.
@@Kluck0816one driver beat his teammate by 20s and outqualified a dominant McLaren who had 2 laps in q3. While the other driver bottled two Q3 laps, and finished 40s behind his teammate
Russel 8? What else could he have done? Finishing 4th on the 4th fastest car behind Mclaren, Ferrari and RB? At the same time Mat said he was considering an 8 for Leclerc finishing 5th on the 2nd fastest car, makes a ton of sense, Alonso got a 9 for what? Finishing ahead of Stroll?
Was with you until you talked about Alonso. Alonso was flawless, qualifying 7th and finishing best of the rest. In your own words, what else can he do?
8 for lando in Italian gp cuz he finished 3rd the fastest car factor was thrown out the window then Now in Singapore when oscar gets p3 the fastest car factor shows up all of a sudden and they start considering a 6 👍
exactly, such double standards. Ocon had severe disadvantage last race and they didn't consider it, saying Gasly did really well in that Alpine. Now they give Ocon 6 when he practically pulled alpine in great spot just like Gasly last race. Not to mention in a non dnf race
Please consider for next season introducing half points. For example "Tommy gave Albon a 4.5". It would introduce more differences between the two of you. It would also solve the issue where someone is caught between two grades.
I absolutely love tommy embracing his max fanboy so much this weekend you can truly tell he feared for his life with how they looked on friday 😂 Edit: and I think it is a 10 for max because unless lando had shunted this was the absolute maximum he could’ve gotten out of that car
@@danbruh33 You can't give a perfect score to somebody because two of their rivals failed. There was every chance he could have fought for the win into turn 1 or on quali day, given how difficult it was to overtake, so to say he was perfect is false.
@@megusta9268 he got P2 in the third fastest car yes others made mistakes but being able to capitalize on that is what makes it a great drive from him. with your logic then, is lando’s drive a 10 for you? because he did almost dnf three times as well
Daniel actually managed to come back past Gasly on the medium. They could've pitted him then for mediums or hards, undercutting Gasly and giving him a chance to hunt the saubers. And avoiding the shenanigans with Yuki. But nooooo.. It's like vcarb strategy team is always seeing some other race... or drunk...
Well, I love this series, so for me keep it going all you want I think it is great way to make an overview of everyone's race, and agreeing or disagreeing, I like to compare my grades with yours and, sometimes, even change my opinion about them. So yeah, I don't know why people hate it, cool snack of F1 mid week
About Hamilton's strategy choice, how in the world is any of the blame for that on him? I think you guys have been reading some fake news on that one, because Hamilton quite strongly opposed the strategy before the race even started. Mercedes insisted on the strategy, but Hamilton tried anything he could to get Merc to start him on mediums. When he saw that everyone around him were on softs, he said (in the interviews after the race) that he was super frustrated. And a quote from Russell in the interviews after the race said that he saw that Hamilton was put on softs, and that "Hamilton must be fuming"! Besides, you could hear him complaining over the team radio VERY early on in the race about his tires. So I really don't get why you're blaming Hamilton for a strategy that he did absolutely everything he could to NOT use.
Oscar was pretty much the only driver who over took a competitive top 5 car. He went from 5th to 6th to 3rd by over takes. The race track sucked. Lando had a massive gap because he never had to follow a car, even max said it was horrible behind a car so he backed off and ran his race. Oscar had to fight the entire night for his positions
Ah yes, overtaking the 4th fastest car in the fastest car on a 10 lap offset. You are just smoking if you think thats impressive. Couldnt overtake george in the first stint when it mattered.
@@daniellawson7654 i was responding to your comment praising his overtaking this race lol. And now you change the topic to 'race management'. He was only able to overtake a car that was almost 2 second a lap slower on older tyres. Even in singapore, that is nothing to brag about. In the first stint, mclaren was more than 1s faster than george. But he was unable to overtake him. He was only put on the compromised longer first stint because of his inability to overtake. Otherwise it would have been an easy 1-2 for mclaren.
@askeladden450 not unable champ, managing his race. There is no change of topic. You seem to have the idea that faster means you go straight past, which is not the case. If the driver in front positions his car well enough, it does not matter if you are faster without long straights, which passing through corners was the TOPIC. Charles also struggled to pass the haas and has a much higher advantage over the haas then mclaren over Mercedes.
FYI Hamilton DID NOT want to be on softs. Petronas press conference: “We sat in our meeting in the morning of the race, actually the night before they already mentioned that they would like to split the cars,” said Hamilton as he spoke alongside Russell at an event for Mercedes’ partner Petronas. “And for me, I was a bit perplexed by it. Because in the past, when we’ve ever been in that position… Normally if George has qualified well like he normally does and I’m out of the top 10 or something, then we’ll split the strategies, but we were so close. It didn’t make sense to me. “So I battled as hard as I could to fight to go on the medium tyre, but the team continued to suggest that I started on the soft. “And then when they took the tyre blankets off, everyone was on mediums…” Both Mercedes drivers attempted to keep proceedings light-hearted, Russell sparking laughter as he chimed in with: “When I saw that, I was thinking, ‘Lewis won’t be happy…'” Hamilton pitted on Lap 17 to swap the soft tyres for hards, Russell coming out ahead of Hamilton when he later pitted and in prime position for a podium position from there, which ultimately went to McLaren’s Oscar Piastri. Hamilton was forced to settle for P6. “I was so angry,” Hamilton continued, “so already from that moment I’m frustrated.
Tommy is right on it! Max couldn't have done more and I also really think he was better this weekend than the previous two or three races - perhaps the whole community service debacle gave him some extra motivation.
Dunno i think Matt's rating of Max and Lando is weird we have rarely seen Max make unnecessary mistakes like Lando did while being in the same situation. While Max drove his car to the maximum result for the day without taking dumbass risks with no reward..
Absolute SLANDER. Deserved 10/10 without question. Great practice sessions. So close to Albon in quali. Insane move at start of race. Amazing with racing Ferrari and Red Bull. Love Daniel, but any other race Franco would have won DOTD with a drive like that.
Constantly complaining about how you “can’t overtake in Singapore” and than thinking about giving Piastri a 6 is mental. My guy overtook Hamilton and Russel with some risky moves and finished one place lower than expected. Anything other than an 8 is bonkers.
Oscar and Charles were only drivers who seem to be overtake at Monaco 2.0, aka, Singapore. Oscar maximises the best result possible based on his qualifying results by getting a podium. Oscar wasn’t as comfortable with the car compared to Lando, but still achieved a good result. Yes, anything less than an 8 is bonkers. Maybe it’s Matt’s British and Ferrari bias coming through. His Matt’s logic, is the driver in a Ferrari or British? If yes, add +2 to his score.
He bottled quali in the fastest car, wtf are you talking about. He finished 2 places behind where he should have. And he just got lucky that merc and ferrari were slower, otherwise he would have finished p6 or lower. Even a 6 is too much for this.
@@askeladden450 Even before Charles qualifying time was deleted, Oscar had a better time than Charles. Yes, Oscar bottled qualifying with a car that wasn’t great with the Softs. It should be noted that no driver could get more than one good lap of the Softs at Singapore. Oscar pushed hard in sector 1 and paid the price in the esses. Ferrari did a worse job in qualifying. Oscar maximised his possible race result with a good strategy that allowed him to easily overtake two high quality drivers. Oscar deserves an 8. You seem to get something in your analysis, Oscar has gotten really good at tyre management. Oscar and McLaren identified Oscar needed to get better at tyre management. Oscar has turned a weakness into an advantage by developing a bunch of strategies around tyre management. Based on your logic, Oscar needed to win the race in order to get an 8. Your logic is up 💩 creek.
@@michaelcobbin wtf, lando got pole by a country mile in the mclaren on softs lol. And he got good times in literally all his laps on the softs. Atleast watch quali before saying gibberish. And ferrari, like throughout the year, struggled in quali and was 4th fastest. Comparing oscar in the fastest car to charles in the 4th fastest is not just stupid, its crazy levels of ass licking. Oscar needed to be atleast be within 10s of his teammate to deserve a 7 or 8. 40s behind his teammate, and giving free points to the championship rival? Thats a 4 at max.
@@askeladden450 WTF have been drinking? First, Lando and Oscar have different driving styles, so they need to set the car up differently. Based on their driving styles, Lando is better in qualifying and Oscar in the race itself, e.g. Oscar’s pass on Lando at Monza. Lando is yet have a race like Baku, until Lando has a race like Baku where he’s having defend this lead for 30 laps then Oscar is better driver in races themselves. Oscar was on a different strategy than Lando. Charles vs Oscar in the race, out of the 62 laps, Charles was only quicker than Oscar on the following laps: 3, 4, 19, 33, 37 - 39, 41, 43 - 47, 50 - 54. Overall, Oscar was the quicker driver of the two. Based on your logic, Oscar only deserves at 4 max then Lando only deserves at 2 at Baku. Oscar pace was far greater than Lando’s for 2/3rds of the race. My rating for Lando at Baku is 1 because make a critical error in qualifying, which likes of Max or Oscar would never do. As for Monza, I give Lando max rating of 3 because he couldn’t make to the end of the lap without losing his lead.
Apparently, Hamilton did not agree with the soft tire strategy. The team forced the soft tires on his car. Even Goerge said he was surprised by that call and knew Lewis would be mad. This was stated in a press conference after the race.
If Leclerc deserves a 7, there’s no way Sainz deserves a 6. He crashed in quali, had a poor start and finished 33 seconds behind Leclerc. The only reason he ended up ahead of Perez is thanks to Ferrari’s strategy and Perez got a 4.
Let's not forget what they said about Piastri. All these excuses for The Clerk but the podium finishing Oscar gets slammed. The inability to remove the fan from the review is getting old.
@@PetruStefan25 Honestly Charles nowadays is so underrated man. He has been in top 5 22/27 races since last year spa with not having the fastest car at all.
The discussion about Norris getting a 9 instead of 10 is absolutely legit. If you compare him to Max or Lewis this was one of the wackiest drives where you lead 20 seconds +. Shows also how good Max and Lewis are.
Lando a 10 and verstappen a 9???? 😭😭 What a joke of ratings dude. If Lando is 10 and max should be 10 and max had a slightly better drive than norris. Only 10/10 from norris is Dutch gp. He was perfect.
Lando's drive - although winning the race - was not perfect and deserves a 9. Max's drive - given a far from perfect car - was perfect and deserves a 10. Tommy was absolutely right.
@@bastiian13the car is responsible for most of that lead, if he had Max car he wouldn't even come close to what Max did. 9 is generous when he almost bottled going into the wall alone, only got out due to dumn luck.
Lando only failed the grand slam because of the Danny Ric thing, it's a slam dunk 10. He could've hit the wall but he didn't. Zhou probably had a perfect race as well but ain't nobody would give him a 10.
@@rosco3then why didn’t Max get a 9 for the times he won because the car was better? This is either a 10 for Norris or Verstappen should not have received all of those 10s last season and the start of this season by your own logic.
Toto said they intentionally split the tire strategy. One would have taken more risk with the lower quali driver. Merc has been lost on tires all season.
Go watch the Skysports podcast where Matt and Rosberg seem to have different opinions on Lando hitting the wall. The former F1 world champ seemed to think hitting the wall twice and going off the track a few times while you have a huge lead was noteworthy and not something you would see out of Lewis or Max. The professional talking head still seemed assured that it was just a sign of the perfect drive. You die on that hill mate.
I need a towel because Tommy was spitting facts left and right about Max his race! Lando made several errors which, with a bit less luck (like George last year) could easily cost him the win. Max 10/10, Lando 9/10.
Both Norris and Verstappen did great races. Both deserve a 10/10. Norris made mistakes? Yes, but who doesn't? This mistakes didn't affected on nothing of his race. With or withouth the mistakes he would win anyways. And he was able to avoid touching the wall, he was able to bounce back, opening 20+ secs again
Car perfomance Tax is wild , how isnt max`s drive a 10 he didnt put a foot wrong unlike Norris who made mistakes which could have cost him if his car wasnt that Good
@@paperplane-db8qf You just cannot help yourself, can you? It looks compulsive, your blind hate towards the guy. It's really sad. If there is someone giving him praise, THERE you are hating on him trying to diminish anything he does. Just really really sad and smallminded.
Mercedes even had the medium and the soft tyre on the grid for Hamilton, and decided to sabotage his race after he said he didn’t want the soft tyre strategy.
13:23 I think the Ricciardo situation is related to Audi. My theory is Audi is after Lawson, who in turn came to Red Bull with an ultimatum: exercise the contract or let me go. Red Bull then doesn't want to lose Lawson, but also doesn't want to make any decision quickly so not to show their cards to Audi. If they prolong it enough, Audi may give up on Lawson altogether, causing him to lose his leverage and enabling Red Bull to keep him under control for longer.
Again...I understand that y'all are not dedicated fans of Lewis. That's why you maybe believed that it was his choice to go on that strategy. But for a driver of his caliber and experience on tyre feel..you really think he'd want to start on scrubbed softs in freaking Singapore??? On a weekend where most teams suffered with high surface temps? Today's statement only served to confirm what we knew. And his radios during the race echoed that statement btw.
I think there should be a meme competition the fans keep score who has the worst strategy. Ferrari, Mercedes, VCARB, McLaren are putting in good efforts. Stake with the ridiculous pitstops early in season. Aston Martin get a starting bonus for each race Lance starts.
As a Norris fan. I agree with tommy. I think Max drove a phenomenal race. He was on the absolute limit of that car! And drug that car from what I consider to be a 7th or 8th Place car. Any screaming and crying up to second.
Totally agreed! Perez cant be the benchmark since he is no champion quality driver... Just look at Piastri, the Red Bull was far more quicker than our McLaren last weekend @paperplane-db8qf
Carlos is a massive sook. He forgets that it was him that took off Piastri's wing earlier in the season, so his criticism of Colapinto making a clean pass is just absurd.
Oscar had one bad sector in one lap of Q3. Yes it hurt his starting position in a track that you said yourselves is impossible to pass. What did Oscar do in the race? He passed both Mercedes.
He had 2 attempts at a fast lap in Q3 compared to his rivals who had 1 and could only qualify 5th in BY FAR the best car. He only overtook them on much newer tyres, it's not like he overtook them in the first stint.
it's not impossible to pass, it's not impressive to pass, it's only hard when the cars are close in term of performance, overtaking the 4th faster car in the fastest car by quiet a margin is not impressive, at least as unimpressive as Leclerc overtaking the The 5th fastest car (AM) in the second fastest car, Piastri having the same rating as George is insanety imo, one maximized everything while the other finished 40 secs off his teammate
@@andrewhazlewood4569 as I said it's hard to pass only when the cars are close in performance, singapor is a track where you need ~1.3 secs pace advantage to pass, even at monaco there was some overtakes not a lot but still, yk matt is just saying it like that
I personally would've docked Lando points for grazing the wall a few times... Then again I've defended him enough that I think I'm allowed a little criticism
@@rubywest5166 Lando was pushing and was on the limit during the first stint. And Max almost binned it multiple times in qualifying. There is no almost in F1. 🥱
Factual conclusion by Tommy and agree with the 10, spinning and wishfull thinking by Matt. Its a shame that you guys dont get whats said on german TV, Rosberg was pretty hard for Lando. Not hating but he had a strong opinion about both Lando's near DNF's and his going off track when overtaking the Williams. I think there is a big difference how Sky UK en the german and Austrian channels look at events in F1.
Palmer had a neat analysis on the F1 Live app. Norris, Russell hit the wall in the exact same spot last year, Norris carried on, Russell hit front right first and you know the rest, good times.
it's hilarious Sainz can crash his car in qually, and Piastri starts 5th, gets 3rd with a solid dive and they both get a 7. Boys need to stop riding Lando so hard, Verstappen drove out of his mind for 2nd to have race pace and the Merc's held up Piastri enough where 3rd was his best possible finish. Yet Carlos and Oscar both got a 7... more like Sainz gets a 6 and Oscar an 8.
In fairness... Oscar qualified 5th in the fastest car, and ended up 40+ seconds behind his team mate. Potentially 50 seconds if Lando didnt ease off the last few laps. I think Oscar is brilliant, but if it was the other way around, Lando would be crucified and Oscar would be hyped massively.
Honestly, I think it would be cool if you guys were to rate their performances, based on each session, practice, one practice, two practice three qualify and give them all a different score out of 10 rather than an overall score, because the average at the end of the weekend would probably be far more telling if things were rated based on each individual session for how the drivers did compared to the weekend as a wholeaveraging out scores from FP 1 to 3 qualifying, the race the sprint the spring qualifying would probably lead to some very mixed up results and drivers overall scores each weekend
Also, on the ferrari duo...I'm inclined to think there was some operational issue in qualifying for them. When one driver has an oops, it might be operational, it might be a mistake. When two drivers fuck up in the same portion of the session, and have the same root cause of "tires just weren't in the window", then it might be an operational issue or a car issue more than it is on the driver.
Guys, chill out on the 500K desperation. Fans are subscribed. Loiterers are welcome too, surely? Do what you do and what will be will be. ps. good chat re: Danni Ric, respect there.
Matt considering a 6 for Oscar is absolutely crazy to me, first time i have disagreed with him. He was stuck behind cars for many laps of the race on a track that's difficult to pass, of course he was a distance behind. Lando had fresh air the entire time. Monza, Piastri had the air so gapped Lando. If Piastri starts higher up, Lando still wins, but nowhere near that margin. Then giving Leclerc the same score when he has been going on since Baku how good that car is yet he didn't even finish on the podium. Love you Matt but this one confuses me.
Both Norris and Verstappen did great races. Both deserve a 10/10. Norris made mistakes? Yes, but who doesn't? This mistakes didn't affected on nothing of his race. With or withouth the mistakes he would win anyways. And he was able to avoid touching the wall, he was able to bounce back, opening 20+ secs again. He extracted all from that car, the same with Max. They both were a lot ahead of their teammates and did their best
Why should Max get a 10 for not pushing as hard as Lando. and he almost binned it multiple times in qualifying since you care so much about “almost” crashing then the same applies to Max. And Max was slower in Q3 than he was in Q2.
Max should be 8 or 9 at best... His car was fastest in Q2 and he failed to get pole... Then almost getting lapped by Lando but saved by Lando broken front wing
@@BrandoN-ie1np this might be a valid point if it were true. Oscar was the fastest in Q2, not Max. It was only by 4 thousandths but Oscar was still faster. Considering Max's team mate was 9 tenths slower and beaten by both McLarens, both Mercedes, both Ferraris, a Haas, a VCARB, an Aston Martin and both Williams how can you possibly believe that the Red Bull was fastest in Q2?
@@BrandoN-ie1npyou're just lying Max in Q2 was still slower than Norris in Q3. So even if he did put in the same lap he still was not on pole. And Q2 didn't have Norris or Piastri trying their hardest for the fastest. And Piastri had fastest in Q2
W tommy. Max drove a perfect race and put the car above where it deserves to be. He finished above a mclaren and both the ferraris. It was the maximum that he could achieve.
Wayhay there MAX is great Welll not so much now
Well like George who gets a random 8
@@AlexSteenOlsen tommy is a max fan, and a piastri fan, an alonso fan and a tsunoda fan and probably also a bearman, leclerc, russel………..fan.
Dude is a fan of 6 drivers 😂. Glory hunter. Can’t really take him seriously. Matt is acting like a 6yo when leclerc is mentioned but at least he’s a real fan and doesn’t just support anyone doing well.
@@SchweinerSchinkler objectively speaking, what can max do better that race with the car he has?
@@michaelshore2300 Max is still great his car is shite at the moment. In my humble opinion if you don't make mistakes and drive the car to it's limits then you deserve a ten. I think Max got a point deduction due to dislike and bad performance of mechanical parts. That's out his control..
Tommy described Vcarb's strategy competence and attitude perfectly... it's totally YOLO.
In this case I think they actually had a point though - their car didn't look good enough to score on merit alone so take the 'wrong' strategy and hope the inevitable safety car happens at the time that is most advantageous to you... Didn't work, but I don't think they actually lost anything by trying it and had it worked maybe they grab a points scoring position or two.
Max drove consistently perfect for almost the whole race to make sure neither Oscar, Lewis or George could threaten him. But first, he had to qualifying at the front end, which is quite the performance already, considering Norris was able to gap him in the race by over 0.5s a lap. It was clear that Max wrung every last tenth out of that RB and he drove a perfect race to keep others at bay.
Not really. He did good yeah but red bull changed something before qualifying. Max was 2nd all quali.
It’s annoying cause things like these male the max fans think their „max is 1 second faster than everyone else and it’s a miracle that he can drag the 8th fastest car to a podium“ delusions are correct. I thought they would stop with that since it’s obvious that max is just like any other amazing driver but no every tiny chance they get they start acting like last year
Of course Max is a 10. That car at that track was a recipe for Lando taking a massive chunk out of his lead. And he was just like "Nope, not on my watch, I'm getting every last bit of performance I can get out of this thing". And like Tommy said, he didn't make several mistakes in the race like Lando did. Giving Lando 10 and Max 9 is just completely ignoring context.
Definitely, Max is such a slam dunk 10 that I'm considering giving Lando a 9 😅
I mean, matt is not very bright.
I've seen that graphic going around about Max's last stint (20-30 laps) all being within 1s lap time... insane consistency.
Max is 100% a 10 There is nothing more he could have gotten out of the car, so that is the literal definition of a 10.
Mclaren has the fastest car for the biggest part of the season, still, max leads the world championship by 52 points and norris somehow gets better ratings
@@MCFoultieralso lando made loads of small mistakes in front. Nearly shunting it into the barrier. If Max made these mistakes and got p2, he would've gotten a 6. Its winner bias
@@jellegeerts6489 yeah i dont think they would've given him a 6 for finishing p2
@@Domenicxx The problem with that logic is that Zhou probably did the same with his wheelie bin and ain't nobody would give him a 10.
100%
I've seen that graphic going around about Max's last stint (20-30 laps) all being within 1s lap time... insane consistency.
Hamilton literally said he fought the decision to be on Softs and requested Mediums. George Russell confirmed that it was true as well.
What? Where did Russel commented such thing? You weirdo fanatics just have no grip on reality
@@quase3lmao how ironic… Go look it up instead of rambling like a madman
They've acknowledged this and said that this was recorded *before* that was made aware
@@quase3 Maybe you should fact check your statements before you embarrass yourself by replying useless input like this
@@westghost_lvl1 this is UA-cam. That’s not what we do here.
I love how your criteria are always stable guys
"I will give Stroll a 4 because he was only 40 seconds behind his teammate 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣,his quali compromised the race"
"I will give Piastri a 7 because he had good car this weekend and finished only 41 seconds behind his teammate,his quali compromised the race"
Honestly the inconsistencies in grading and commentary based like 80/20 on vibes vs facts… I love the boys, but I want to see them do better in this area. It has gotten a bit out of hand as of late.
The outcome is totally different in those two examples there's, stroll didn't make any ground or fix it from a shit quali, piastri made ground and saved a reasonable outcome after a 'poor" qualifying. Its not apples to apples
Oscar finished 3rd
Lance didn't get a point.
That's the difference
@@yordlejay6820 Oscar drives a rocketship that made Norris win by 20 seconds even if he crashed 2 times , while stroll an aston martin
If you cant understand this im sorry
@@Lazlum Oscar was stuck behind cars, Lando had free air and could use the car's real pace...it's not rocket science, they're not comparable at all
Lewis didn't pick his strategy,Lewis said, “The night before they had already mentioned they would like to split the cars, I was a bit perplexed by it. We were so close, it didn’t make sense to me. I battled as hard as I could to fight to go on the medium tyre but the team continued to suggest that I start on the soft and when they took the tyre blankets off, everyone was on mediums… I was so angry.” ,giving him a 6 is insane
Womp womp, he should told them firmly to start on mediums then
Yeah, this episode was recorded before we saw the statement as I believe this was released later than normal due to both the drivers not feeling well after the race. Whether it would have changed our grades, you'll have to see in another podcast when we address it!
We had to record this quicker than normal due to the fact Tommy was going on holiday this week :)
@@sammoore3687 Danny should get a 0 then... finishing literally last with the strategy they gave him. "With his expercience he should just say no!"
do you seriously believe that?
@@mattp1tommy appreciate the reply guys, have a great holiday Tommy 🙏
Max indeed should be a 10.
The reason? Norris got a lot of driver of the day and 10 scores when he had a worse car and made it better than it should; and that is exactly what Max did this weekend,.
As a McLaren fan, 100% Verstappen deserves a 10/10. He maximised the result and put 20 seconds on one of our drivers in the rocket ship that we have. Phenomenal drive from the guy
No
i agree, it is definitly hard to see past previous performances when looking at rating a weekend.
I think Norris didn’t deserve a lot of those 10’s but if that’s the standard easy 10 for Max
@@sweetssandbox3526 Avarage DTS fan
Max deserves the 10. He didn't allow Lando to score the points delta he needs to score each remaining weekend for Lando to win the championship. Max won the weekend, in context to the driver's championship.
This time I do agree with Max getting a 10, nothing more he could have extracted from that car, even managing to stay on P2 is somewhat a miracle considering the past few races. Not only that he also didn't make a single mistake that could have gone horrible unlike Lando
10/10 for Max, Tommy is 100% right.
Colapinto was on fire, the undercut was very powerful, and that's a shame, but great drive from my fellow Argentinian ❤
As a Max fan, and American... I am really pulling for Calapinto. He has been sensational, IMO. I hate that Logan couldn't cut it, but Calapinto has been an absolute joy to watch.
You could learn to spell his name too
Lol why did you feel the need to say you were a Max fan 😂
what does you being an american max fan have anything to do with what you said hahaha
@@tonyjunior92 because its usually crazy argentinian fans who give praise to colapinto. and americans are supposed to be butthurt cause he replaced logan. how hard could it be to figure this out on your own
@@dangraycon why not
Matt pondering giving Leclerc an 8 while giving Piastri a 6...
Man's not huffing the copium he's injecting it directly into his veins
Matt gave Piastri a 7.
I mean Piastri got beaten by his teammate by half a minute and was in by far the best car whereas Leclerc destroyed Sainz
@@jonathannovak2881 i mean he made a slight mistake in quali. And then lost laptime in dirty air. It was a fair race from him. 7 is a fair rating. leclerc on the other hand qualified in 9th and came back in the race. 7 was fair for both. pretty similar mistakes and similar races.
leclerc absolutely trounced piastri this weekend lmfao. piastri in a rocketship was 40s behind lando at some stage and leclerc put 30son his teamate
@@danbruh33So? Those mistakes are his fault. And dirty air is not an excuse lmfao, Piastri was nowhere near as quick as the top 2 in the second stint.
"I don't care... it's my opinion I'm allowed it 💅✨"
IM WHEEZING-
I agree with Tommy (FWIW) - I agree that Piastri underperformed in quali, no doubt there, but he delivered in the race to recover it, and unlike others, actually put in on-track passes to make it work (the Haas on lap 1, and both Mercs later on). A score of 6 is a ridiculous suggestion.
And it was 2 absolutely incredible passes as well
He was 18 seconds behind a much Slower car
He didn’t get anywhere near max despite having enough time to do so, can’t give him more than 6/7
Except he didn’t recover it. All he did was overtake 2 significantly slower cars by over cutting.
Why should Piastri be graded highly for finishing 40s behind his teammate? Then it’s completely the car that’s influencing the ranking and not driver performance.
He was almost lapped but saved by Lando broken front wing... The gap was like 40 seconds in lap 29 when the broke happened
It is a 10. Tommy is right.
I'm the opposite of a Max fanboy and I think he was a 10/10
Just because Redbull has a terrible 2nd driver doesn’t mean that car is that bad.
Agreed. Matt is just saying it to be controversial. Otherwise the only way you can get a 10 is to win.
The Red Bull was fast last weekend... Tommy was wrong
Yeah very fast. Look at checco. A billion miles behind.
Vcarb is the new Ferrari on the strategy department
Italian engineering
If I start hearing them ask which alphabet letter their driver wants to use, I'll start throwing hands!
Deliberating giving Oscar a 6 for a 3rd place and then giving Sainz a 6 saying it’s a ‘harsh grade’ is wild 😂
Oscar should be finishing second, in what was clearly a dominant car in Lando’s hands. But he instead finished 20 seconds behind Max, 40+ seconds behind Lando. A six suggests he did alright, which I think can be argued against
@@dangraycon I don’t think a 6 is fair for Oscar. He had one mistake in qualifying and this track is basically Monica 2.0. People saying he finished 40+ seconds behind Norris like that actually means something on this track and I think that sentiment is ridiculous. Oscar was made to go long and he was losing 1.5 seconds a lap in dirty air and on old mediums to Norris, he didn’t have track position and this track is notoriously difficult for overtaking. Oscar was on a plan C strategy and Lando was on a Plan A, so in my opinion you can’t even compare their race. If you contrast quali in Singapore to a track like Baku Lando is lucky his Baku quali was on a track where you can make up for a poor quali. Also if you compare Lando’s, Oscars and Leclercs lap times in free air, they were all doing the same pace within a tenth of one another. This race was a gimme and Lando benefited from not having to fight Charles or Oscar because realistically they were the only ones with the pace that could’ve challenged Norris. Norris won this race in qualifying, it’s that simple.
@@JohnnyB-w8jOscar just getting graded high because his car was dominant.
Alonso-Stroll, Ocon - Gasly, etc were roughly the same distance but they didn’t have a dominant car to carry them.
@@dangraycon the main reason Norris was so far ahead was he had clean air for the entire race, which with these cars gives a massive advantage.
Lando had worse qualifying last week and not even touch the podium but still rated higher than Oscar in this race, Matt is always bias towards British (and Charles)
Max didn't brush the wall.. Lando did under no pressure. 10 for Max, 9 for Lando
So not touching walls wins you the race? Stupid comment
Max is definitely a 10/10, but I did enjoy the back and forth at the end. Funny driver ratings this one, keep it up.
Tommy is right. 10 for Max.
Max not getting a 10 is absolutely mental. What more could he have done to warrant a 10?
He was slower in Q3 than he was in Q2.
Plus everyone is assuming the Redbull is poor because of a completely different car 1 year ago.
By the same logic McLaren wasn’t the fastest car in Singapore 2024 because Ferrari was the fastest car in 2023.
He was almost getting lap in an equal quickest car... His car was even the fastest in Q2
How can a driver fail to get pole in the quickest car getting a 10?
Idk... Win the race?
If he changed his name to Yuki Tsunoda he would get a 10 every week off these two.
Cheers to my fellow voters who also gave DR a “10”! 🥂
Way to swing the vote!
yuki had a poor start, lost like 3 positions and ended four places down. Sure he had poor strategy and what not but that DEFINITELY wasnt over a 6 let alone an 8
They are yuki fans. What do you expect?
That VCARB is one of the worst cars on the start.
I think both VCARB drivers have lost the most grid positions at the start simply cause how bad the car is
@@066kshitizvsingh4 no this time it was on yuki, he was way slower than the other cars he made a mistake he said it himself
@rishigupta8949 oh I didn't catch that part then. Then yeah he shouldn't have gotten an 8
My take about Ricciardo going on soft is, that he wanted to race. Like this you surely have the most overtakes and action all the time. He wanted fun!
Some really interesting ratings. Max definitely deserved a 10. Perfect race from him. I am with Tommy that Max should be the p1 for the week. Lando could have gotten the fastest lap if he avoided the mistakes.
Perez, getting knocked in Q1 on arguably the 2nd or maybe 3rd fastest car and then failing to pass a Williams and a Haas and still getting a 4 is crazy... Lewis on the other hand, got cooked by Mercedes and getting p3 in Qualifier only 2 points ahead.
Lewis did not choose the soft tyres, he was complaining the entire race about the strategy they put him on, and Lewis even admitted he argued to be on Mediums but the team ignored him and put him on Soft's even Russel said soon as he saw the softs he knew Lewis would be pissed.
They said in another comment. This was filmed before that statement was released
@@CPWither It was obvious during the race Lewis did not like the strategy, but Matt and Tommy assume it was Lewis who chose to start on the soft's.
George the same as Oscar is bonkers
Why?
@@Kluck0816one driver beat his teammate by 20s and outqualified a dominant McLaren who had 2 laps in q3.
While the other driver bottled two Q3 laps, and finished 40s behind his teammate
Piastri seems to be rated differently to everyone else
@@paperplane-db8qfand Norris made 3 mistakes in this race and gets that score. British bias at it again.
@@ljnouata9088 Norris only made 1 mistake that was ultimately harmless. And only because he was pushing
Really expected Tommy would have giving Ric a 10 for helping Max with the fastest Lap😂
Verstappen splitting the best team in F1.
Traditions!
LMFAO
@@trautsj Lando have been doing the same for years
Russel 8? What else could he have done? Finishing 4th on the 4th fastest car behind Mclaren, Ferrari and RB? At the same time Mat said he was considering an 8 for Leclerc finishing 5th on the 2nd fastest car, makes a ton of sense, Alonso got a 9 for what? Finishing ahead of Stroll?
Was outqualified by Hamilton...and would have probably finished behind him if they both had the same strategies
Was with you until you talked about Alonso. Alonso was flawless, qualifying 7th and finishing best of the rest. In your own words, what else can he do?
@@dangraycon sure, I meant what did he do to put him above Russel
@@yans.matschi198by 0.026s, are you really going to knock him for that?
@@dangrayconwell he got outqualified by a slower Haas and was stuck behind him till the pitstops.
No way he should get the same as Hulkenberg.
8 for lando in Italian gp cuz he finished 3rd the fastest car factor was thrown out the window then
Now in Singapore when oscar gets p3 the fastest car factor shows up all of a sudden and they start considering a 6 👍
So Gasly got for a p12 with two gifted positions a 9 and Ocon for a p13 without any gifted positions a 6? Yes that makes sense!
exactly, such double standards. Ocon had severe disadvantage last race and they didn't consider it, saying Gasly did really well in that Alpine. Now they give Ocon 6 when he practically pulled alpine in great spot just like Gasly last race. Not to mention in a non dnf race
Gasly got a 9? For what, I didn’t even know he was in the race lmfao
VCARB has Laurent Mekies curse that they inherited from Ferrari
It does have a certain ring to it like someone that got sick:
“He’s got the Mekies”.
Please consider for next season introducing half points. For example "Tommy gave Albon a 4.5".
It would introduce more differences between the two of you.
It would also solve the issue where someone is caught between two grades.
I absolutely love tommy embracing his max fanboy so much this weekend you can truly tell he feared for his life with how they looked on friday 😂
Edit: and I think it is a 10 for max because unless lando had shunted this was the absolute maximum he could’ve gotten out of that car
It was also the minimum as the Mercedes were 40 seconds behind him and the Ferraris started 10th and 9th
@@megusta9268 thats because of their mistakes which max didnt make and took the opportunity
@@danbruh33 You can't give a perfect score to somebody because two of their rivals failed. There was every chance he could have fought for the win into turn 1 or on quali day, given how difficult it was to overtake, so to say he was perfect is false.
@@megusta9268 he got P2 in the third fastest car yes others made mistakes but being able to capitalize on that is what makes it a great drive from him. with your logic then, is lando’s drive a 10 for you? because he did almost dnf three times as well
@foodispriority singapore is about track position. If you start on the front row, and don't lead into t1, then you haven't had a perfect race. End of.
If you're giving Lando a 10 and Max a 9 you might aswell scratch driver ratings entirely and just call it car ratings.
Team ratings next season ? They can then separate what the team did and what the driver did on his own
THIS IS A GREAT IDEA
Daniel actually managed to come back past Gasly on the medium. They could've pitted him then for mediums or hards, undercutting Gasly and giving him a chance to hunt the saubers. And avoiding the shenanigans with Yuki. But nooooo.. It's like vcarb strategy team is always seeing some other race... or drunk...
was ahead of Yuki for a bit too, look like he might maintain the gap but his tyres gave up
Lewis did not pick his own strategy...
Well, I love this series, so for me keep it going all you want
I think it is great way to make an overview of everyone's race, and agreeing or disagreeing, I like to compare my grades with yours and, sometimes, even change my opinion about them. So yeah, I don't know why people hate it, cool snack of F1 mid week
About Hamilton's strategy choice, how in the world is any of the blame for that on him? I think you guys have been reading some fake news on that one, because Hamilton quite strongly opposed the strategy before the race even started. Mercedes insisted on the strategy, but Hamilton tried anything he could to get Merc to start him on mediums. When he saw that everyone around him were on softs, he said (in the interviews after the race) that he was super frustrated. And a quote from Russell in the interviews after the race said that he saw that Hamilton was put on softs, and that "Hamilton must be fuming"! Besides, you could hear him complaining over the team radio VERY early on in the race about his tires.
So I really don't get why you're blaming Hamilton for a strategy that he did absolutely everything he could to NOT use.
He was only complaining because he didn't pass Max at T1, if he did you wouldn't have heard a peep from him.
Oscar was pretty much the only driver who over took a competitive top 5 car.
He went from 5th to 6th to 3rd by over takes.
The race track sucked. Lando had a massive gap because he never had to follow a car, even max said it was horrible behind a car so he backed off and ran his race.
Oscar had to fight the entire night for his positions
Oscar seems to be the only drive lately who is making overtakes through corners rather than just in drs or pit strategy.
Ah yes, overtaking the 4th fastest car in the fastest car on a 10 lap offset. You are just smoking if you think thats impressive. Couldnt overtake george in the first stint when it mattered.
@@askeladden450 you have clearly never raced or actually understand race management.
@@daniellawson7654 i was responding to your comment praising his overtaking this race lol. And now you change the topic to 'race management'. He was only able to overtake a car that was almost 2 second a lap slower on older tyres. Even in singapore, that is nothing to brag about. In the first stint, mclaren was more than 1s faster than george. But he was unable to overtake him. He was only put on the compromised longer first stint because of his inability to overtake. Otherwise it would have been an easy 1-2 for mclaren.
@askeladden450 not unable champ, managing his race. There is no change of topic. You seem to have the idea that faster means you go straight past, which is not the case. If the driver in front positions his car well enough, it does not matter if you are faster without long straights, which passing through corners was the TOPIC. Charles also struggled to pass the haas and has a much higher advantage over the haas then mclaren over Mercedes.
FYI Hamilton DID NOT want to be on softs. Petronas press conference:
“We sat in our meeting in the morning of the race, actually the night before they already mentioned that they would like to split the cars,” said Hamilton as he spoke alongside Russell at an event for Mercedes’ partner Petronas.
“And for me, I was a bit perplexed by it. Because in the past, when we’ve ever been in that position… Normally if George has qualified well like he normally does and I’m out of the top 10 or something, then we’ll split the strategies, but we were so close. It didn’t make sense to me.
“So I battled as hard as I could to fight to go on the medium tyre, but the team continued to suggest that I started on the soft.
“And then when they took the tyre blankets off, everyone was on mediums…”
Both Mercedes drivers attempted to keep proceedings light-hearted, Russell sparking laughter as he chimed in with: “When I saw that, I was thinking, ‘Lewis won’t be happy…'”
Hamilton pitted on Lap 17 to swap the soft tyres for hards, Russell coming out ahead of Hamilton when he later pitted and in prime position for a podium position from there, which ultimately went to McLaren’s Oscar Piastri. Hamilton was forced to settle for P6.
“I was so angry,” Hamilton continued, “so already from that moment I’m frustrated.
Tommy is right on it! Max couldn't have done more and I also really think he was better this weekend than the previous two or three races - perhaps the whole community service debacle gave him some extra motivation.
Max absolutely deserves a 10
Dunno i think Matt's rating of Max and Lando is weird we have rarely seen Max make unnecessary mistakes like Lando did while being in the same situation. While Max drove his car to the maximum result for the day without taking dumbass risks with no reward..
Absolute SLANDER. Deserved 10/10 without question. Great practice sessions. So close to Albon in quali. Insane move at start of race. Amazing with racing Ferrari and Red Bull. Love Daniel, but any other race Franco would have won DOTD with a drive like that.
Constantly complaining about how you “can’t overtake in Singapore” and than thinking about giving Piastri a 6 is mental. My guy overtook Hamilton and Russel with some risky moves and finished one place lower than expected. Anything other than an 8 is bonkers.
Oscar and Charles were only drivers who seem to be overtake at Monaco 2.0, aka, Singapore. Oscar maximises the best result possible based on his qualifying results by getting a podium. Oscar wasn’t as comfortable with the car compared to Lando, but still achieved a good result. Yes, anything less than an 8 is bonkers. Maybe it’s Matt’s British and Ferrari bias coming through.
His Matt’s logic, is the driver in a Ferrari or British? If yes, add +2 to his score.
He bottled quali in the fastest car, wtf are you talking about. He finished 2 places behind where he should have. And he just got lucky that merc and ferrari were slower, otherwise he would have finished p6 or lower. Even a 6 is too much for this.
@@askeladden450 Even before Charles qualifying time was deleted, Oscar had a better time than Charles. Yes, Oscar bottled qualifying with a car that wasn’t great with the Softs. It should be noted that no driver could get more than one good lap of the Softs at Singapore. Oscar pushed hard in sector 1 and paid the price in the esses. Ferrari did a worse job in qualifying. Oscar maximised his possible race result with a good strategy that allowed him to easily overtake two high quality drivers. Oscar deserves an 8.
You seem to get something in your analysis, Oscar has gotten really good at tyre management. Oscar and McLaren identified Oscar needed to get better at tyre management. Oscar has turned a weakness into an advantage by developing a bunch of strategies around tyre management.
Based on your logic, Oscar needed to win the race in order to get an 8. Your logic is up 💩 creek.
@@michaelcobbin wtf, lando got pole by a country mile in the mclaren on softs lol. And he got good times in literally all his laps on the softs. Atleast watch quali before saying gibberish. And ferrari, like throughout the year, struggled in quali and was 4th fastest. Comparing oscar in the fastest car to charles in the 4th fastest is not just stupid, its crazy levels of ass licking.
Oscar needed to be atleast be within 10s of his teammate to deserve a 7 or 8. 40s behind his teammate, and giving free points to the championship rival? Thats a 4 at max.
@@askeladden450 WTF have been drinking? First, Lando and Oscar have different driving styles, so they need to set the car up differently. Based on their driving styles, Lando is better in qualifying and Oscar in the race itself, e.g. Oscar’s pass on Lando at Monza. Lando is yet have a race like Baku, until Lando has a race like Baku where he’s having defend this lead for 30 laps then Oscar is better driver in races themselves.
Oscar was on a different strategy than Lando.
Charles vs Oscar in the race, out of the 62 laps, Charles was only quicker than Oscar on the following laps: 3, 4, 19, 33, 37 - 39, 41, 43 - 47, 50 - 54. Overall, Oscar was the quicker driver of the two.
Based on your logic, Oscar only deserves at 4 max then Lando only deserves at 2 at Baku. Oscar pace was far greater than Lando’s for 2/3rds of the race. My rating for Lando at Baku is 1 because make a critical error in qualifying, which likes of Max or Oscar would never do. As for Monza, I give Lando max rating of 3 because he couldn’t make to the end of the lap without losing his lead.
Apparently, Hamilton did not agree with the soft tire strategy. The team forced the soft tires on his car. Even Goerge said he was surprised by that call and knew Lewis would be mad. This was stated in a press conference after the race.
If Leclerc deserves a 7, there’s no way Sainz deserves a 6. He crashed in quali, had a poor start and finished 33 seconds behind Leclerc. The only reason he ended up ahead of Perez is thanks to Ferrari’s strategy and Perez got a 4.
Let's not forget what they said about Piastri. All these excuses for The Clerk but the podium finishing Oscar gets slammed. The inability to remove the fan from the review is getting old.
@@mattd1283Piastri finishes 40s behind his teammate and gets an 8.
That’s just completely ridiculous.
Sainz overrated as always and Charles is becoming too underrated in the last period.
@@PetruStefan25 Honestly Charles nowadays is so underrated man. He has been in top 5 22/27 races since last year spa with not having the fastest car at all.
@@jevegersundar8271 Yeah and in the races in which he didn't finished Top 5 it was because of stupid errors from the team...
The discussion about Norris getting a 9 instead of 10 is absolutely legit. If you compare him to Max or Lewis this was one of the wackiest drives where you lead 20 seconds +. Shows also how good Max and Lewis are.
Lando a 10 and verstappen a 9???? 😭😭 What a joke of ratings dude. If Lando is 10 and max should be 10 and max had a slightly better drive than norris. Only 10/10 from norris is Dutch gp. He was perfect.
Race start but that might not be his fault
I do enjoy these ratings and look forward to them as much as the race review, please keep them going
Lando's drive - although winning the race - was not perfect and deserves a 9.
Max's drive - given a far from perfect car - was perfect and deserves a 10.
Tommy was absolutely right.
LMFAO POLE AND 20 SECOND LEAD AND NOT A 10????
@@bastiian13the car is responsible for most of that lead, if he had Max car he wouldn't even come close to what Max did. 9 is generous when he almost bottled going into the wall alone, only got out due to dumn luck.
Max fans ey 👍🏻🙄
Lando only failed the grand slam because of the Danny Ric thing, it's a slam dunk 10. He could've hit the wall but he didn't. Zhou probably had a perfect race as well but ain't nobody would give him a 10.
@@rosco3then why didn’t Max get a 9 for the times he won because the car was better?
This is either a 10 for Norris or Verstappen should not have received all of those 10s last season and the start of this season by your own logic.
Toto said they intentionally split the tire strategy. One would have taken more risk with the lower quali driver. Merc has been lost on tires all season.
16:04 Franco went off script! That’s why all the drivers said it was insane. Never go off script.
Go watch the Skysports podcast where Matt and Rosberg seem to have different opinions on Lando hitting the wall. The former F1 world champ seemed to think hitting the wall twice and going off the track a few times while you have a huge lead was noteworthy and not something you would see out of Lewis or Max. The professional talking head still seemed assured that it was just a sign of the perfect drive. You die on that hill mate.
It seems to me that the Saturday Mercedes strategy meetings go "thanks for your input Lewis, but I think we'll use the square wheels".
I need a towel because Tommy was spitting facts left and right about Max his race! Lando made several errors which, with a bit less luck (like George last year) could easily cost him the win. Max 10/10, Lando 9/10.
Both Norris and Verstappen did great races. Both deserve a 10/10. Norris made mistakes? Yes, but who doesn't? This mistakes didn't affected on nothing of his race. With or withouth the mistakes he would win anyways. And he was able to avoid touching the wall, he was able to bounce back, opening 20+ secs again
@@LaraPortelaDAmatoSuper Max doesn't make mistakes. At least not at this race.
Max also made lots of errors in qualifying with a bit less luck he would’ve crashed out like Sainz.
So much for your hypocrisy.
Franco solid 10/10. I love Carlos but I think Williams should have signed someone from their own development team to begin with.
Matt and Leclerc should do a album together. Leclerc on Piano. Matt on vocals.
Matt laid on top of the piano, staring into his eyes 😂
It's been confirmed Matt does pipe himself, so it makes sense he would be on pipes.
I would pay good money for that
The album should be called “Records of a broken dream”
@@valen961ballad of broken dreams*
I absolutely love Tommy's villain era, keep it going 🔥
Perez getting lapped in a Red Bull while Max split the McLarens is insane.
2:57 that Squarespace sample got me 😂
Car perfomance Tax is wild , how isnt max`s drive a 10 he didnt put a foot wrong unlike Norris who made mistakes which could have cost him if his car wasnt that Good
Max almost crashed out of qualifying multiple times.
Since you care so much about “almosts” 👍
@@paperplane-db8qf You just cannot help yourself, can you? It looks compulsive, your blind hate towards the guy. It's really sad. If there is someone giving him praise, THERE you are hating on him trying to diminish anything he does. Just really really sad and smallminded.
@@paperplane-db8qfHe didn’t crash though 😂 and it was only once
Hi Matt and Tommy, please keep doing your driver ratings, I look forward to them greatly after each race, don't let haters stop you!
Mercedes even had the medium and the soft tyre on the grid for Hamilton, and decided to sabotage his race after he said he didn’t want the soft tyre strategy.
Merc is gonna be shocked how many fans they loose forever because of all these instances of effective sabotage
@@MorganBradyits wild you think they care? They are a multi billion pound company and you think some fans leaving will bother them?
13:23 I think the Ricciardo situation is related to Audi. My theory is Audi is after Lawson, who in turn came to Red Bull with an ultimatum: exercise the contract or let me go. Red Bull then doesn't want to lose Lawson, but also doesn't want to make any decision quickly so not to show their cards to Audi. If they prolong it enough, Audi may give up on Lawson altogether, causing him to lose his leverage and enabling Red Bull to keep him under control for longer.
Solid 7 for Godzilla. Disappointing omission from ratings, sort it out lads.
Again...I understand that y'all are not dedicated fans of Lewis. That's why you maybe believed that it was his choice to go on that strategy. But for a driver of his caliber and experience on tyre feel..you really think he'd want to start on scrubbed softs in freaking Singapore??? On a weekend where most teams suffered with high surface temps? Today's statement only served to confirm what we knew. And his radios during the race echoed that statement btw.
So you guys going to redo Lewis rating after the Petronas event orrrrrr. Cause Lewis was 100% against the softs he said.
Tommy needs an F1 bead spread and the senna lego set on that spare bed in the background!
“VCARB going to VCARB when it comes to strategy”.
While true, Yuki is also going to Yuki & waste his qualifying with a poor start.
I think there should be a meme competition the fans keep score who has the worst strategy. Ferrari, Mercedes, VCARB, McLaren are putting in good efforts. Stake with the ridiculous pitstops early in season. Aston Martin get a starting bonus for each race Lance starts.
As a Norris fan. I agree with tommy. I think Max drove a phenomenal race. He was on the absolute limit of that car! And drug that car from what I consider to be a 7th or 8th Place car. Any screaming and crying up to second.
No it was the second best car easily. Just because Perez is shit doesn’t mean it’s a bad car.
Totally agreed! Perez cant be the benchmark since he is no champion quality driver... Just look at Piastri, the Red Bull was far more quicker than our McLaren last weekend @paperplane-db8qf
@@BrandoN-ie1np you could say the same for Alonzo and stroll
@@jasonbates2442 Why not?
Carlos is a massive sook.
He forgets that it was him that took off Piastri's wing earlier in the season, so his criticism of Colapinto making a clean pass is just absurd.
Oscar had one bad sector in one lap of Q3. Yes it hurt his starting position in a track that you said yourselves is impossible to pass. What did Oscar do in the race? He passed both Mercedes.
He had 2 attempts at a fast lap in Q3 compared to his rivals who had 1 and could only qualify 5th in BY FAR the best car. He only overtook them on much newer tyres, it's not like he overtook them in the first stint.
it's not impossible to pass, it's not impressive to pass, it's only hard when the cars are close in term of performance, overtaking the 4th faster car in the fastest car by quiet a margin is not impressive, at least as unimpressive as Leclerc overtaking the The 5th fastest car (AM) in the second fastest car, Piastri having the same rating as George is insanety imo, one maximized everything while the other finished 40 secs off his teammate
@@treapyoney5886it was Matt who said impossible to pass. Just looking for consistency.
@@andrewhazlewood4569 as I said it's hard to pass only when the cars are close in performance, singapor is a track where you need ~1.3 secs pace advantage to pass, even at monaco there was some overtakes not a lot but still, yk matt is just saying it like that
Can't help but chuckle at that rearwing of Sauber. Unleashed what, The Mighty Sloth? Beware!
I personally would've docked Lando points for grazing the wall a few times...
Then again I've defended him enough that I think I'm allowed a little criticism
Yeah he should’ve just driven like a granny like Piastri and finished 20s behind Max.
@@paperplane-db8qf Fun fact! There are more possibilities than "40 seconds behind what the car's capable of" and "Nearly bins it"!
@@rubywest5166 Lando was pushing and was on the limit during the first stint.
And Max almost binned it multiple times in qualifying. There is no almost in F1. 🥱
I agree with both of you:
Disagreement is fun.
More fun is a good thing for this series :)
I enjoyed hearing you laugh at the end a lot ❤
Factual conclusion by Tommy and agree with the 10, spinning and wishfull thinking by Matt.
Its a shame that you guys dont get whats said on german TV, Rosberg was pretty hard for Lando.
Not hating but he had a strong opinion about both Lando's near DNF's and his going off track when overtaking the Williams.
I think there is a big difference how Sky UK en the german and Austrian channels look at events in F1.
Palmer had a neat analysis on the F1 Live app. Norris, Russell hit the wall in the exact same spot last year, Norris carried on, Russell hit front right first and you know the rest, good times.
30 seconds ago is wild
Favorite part at 20:47, - Tommy said it all. Please, please make it happen Adrian!
eh. Pretty sure Albon could've done a Sainz and scored a P9, or at least a P10 with a long stint on the hard tires.
Love this series. If I was going to watch only one of the regular podcasts around race week it would be driver ratings
10 points for driving into the wall, two times nearly losing the car and therefore the race. Well okay then.
matt 9 tommy 10
i do like these rating vids, helps tell the whole story of the races.
it's hilarious Sainz can crash his car in qually, and Piastri starts 5th, gets 3rd with a solid dive and they both get a 7. Boys need to stop riding Lando so hard, Verstappen drove out of his mind for 2nd to have race pace and the Merc's held up Piastri enough where 3rd was his best possible finish. Yet Carlos and Oscar both got a 7... more like Sainz gets a 6 and Oscar an 8.
In fairness... Oscar qualified 5th in the fastest car, and ended up 40+ seconds behind his team mate. Potentially 50 seconds if Lando didnt ease off the last few laps. I think Oscar is brilliant, but if it was the other way around, Lando would be crucified and Oscar would be hyped massively.
Honestly, I think it would be cool if you guys were to rate their performances, based on each session, practice, one practice, two practice three qualify and give them all a different score out of 10 rather than an overall score, because the average at the end of the weekend would probably be far more telling if things were rated based on each individual session for how the drivers did compared to the weekend as a wholeaveraging out scores from FP 1 to 3 qualifying, the race the sprint the spring qualifying would probably lead to some very mixed up results and drivers overall scores each weekend
Lando a 10 is dumb. A 10 is a perfect drive, I wouldn’t call hitting multiple walls on an unforced error perfect
lol I guess brushing the wall and finishing 1st isn’t a 10 I guess
Lmao, keep on huffing that copium. 🤡
Also, on the ferrari duo...I'm inclined to think there was some operational issue in qualifying for them. When one driver has an oops, it might be operational, it might be a mistake. When two drivers fuck up in the same portion of the session, and have the same root cause of "tires just weren't in the window", then it might be an operational issue or a car issue more than it is on the driver.
Best F1 duo on the internet
Guys, chill out on the 500K desperation. Fans are subscribed.
Loiterers are welcome too, surely? Do what you do and what will be will be.
ps. good chat re: Danni Ric, respect there.
A 6 FOR ZHOU???
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
That is bang on correct 💯👏
It's s Zhouke
Matt considering a 6 for Oscar is absolutely crazy to me, first time i have disagreed with him. He was stuck behind cars for many laps of the race on a track that's difficult to pass, of course he was a distance behind. Lando had fresh air the entire time. Monza, Piastri had the air so gapped Lando. If Piastri starts higher up, Lando still wins, but nowhere near that margin.
Then giving Leclerc the same score when he has been going on since Baku how good that car is yet he didn't even finish on the podium.
Love you Matt but this one confuses me.
10 for Max, 9 for Lando. It's rating their drives, not their cars
Both Norris and Verstappen did great races. Both deserve a 10/10. Norris made mistakes? Yes, but who doesn't? This mistakes didn't affected on nothing of his race. With or withouth the mistakes he would win anyways. And he was able to avoid touching the wall, he was able to bounce back, opening 20+ secs again. He extracted all from that car, the same with Max. They both were a lot ahead of their teammates and did their best
Why should Max get a 10 for not pushing as hard as Lando.
and he almost binned it multiple times in qualifying since you care so much about “almost” crashing then the same applies to Max.
And Max was slower in Q3 than he was in Q2.
Max should be 8 or 9 at best... His car was fastest in Q2 and he failed to get pole... Then almost getting lapped by Lando but saved by Lando broken front wing
@@BrandoN-ie1np this might be a valid point if it were true. Oscar was the fastest in Q2, not Max. It was only by 4 thousandths but Oscar was still faster. Considering Max's team mate was 9 tenths slower and beaten by both McLarens, both Mercedes, both Ferraris, a Haas, a VCARB, an Aston Martin and both Williams how can you possibly believe that the Red Bull was fastest in Q2?
@@BrandoN-ie1npyou're just lying
Max in Q2 was still slower than Norris in Q3. So even if he did put in the same lap he still was not on pole.
And Q2 didn't have Norris or Piastri trying their hardest for the fastest. And Piastri had fastest in Q2