FRIEZA: Anti Hero or Anti Villain?
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
- Is Frieza becoming an anti-hero or an anti-villain? #DragonBallSuper has reinvented Freeza a lot since his debut in DBZ. What will his time in Dragon Ball Super Broly tell us about his character arc in the future. Has King Cold's experiment failed or was this all part of the plan as Freeza matures and grows older. Will he TRUST Goku and the Saiyans as well as the Dragon Team? Let's discuss.
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AMAZING Discussion on Lord-Frieza, @MasakoX
What would who think of entities that are pure evil like buu or fenric from doctor who
Many believe that Evil has a tangible form in some regard; or may be used to describe someone's/something's nature(or behavior.) While there is some truth in my latter statement, philosophical bias, and collective superstition led many to misinterpret the proper terminology of the adverb. Evil can be used to describe the intent of (an) action(s) undertaken by an individual, or a group of like-minded people. For Frieza, this is the norm. He is selfish, and seeks retribution from those who humiliated him in the past. I believe that there is good in him, but he lacks the desire for absolute redemption. On a smaller scale? Perhaps.
So where's this freeza in Moro arc? Are they even aware of each other's by now?
The guy literally did Genocide on a lever that you know who from Germanany wasn't even capable of (not that he wouldn't have done so). His name shoudn't even be written in the same book as hero.
He will forever be a Villain. But now he’s a Villain that “Is there to do what he wants”. Not just Evil.
He’s better as a villain, though he may help the Z fighters every now and then as long as it benefits him long term.
Hard to be king of the universe if there is no universe
Rogue Fox yeah that works pretty well
so... basically every plot from now on if they keep focusing on goku and vegeta
Also I'm tired of "Villain who turns into a friend" in Dragon Ball. It had TOO MANY people from this trope already: Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, etc etc. We need a villain to stay a villain.
@@NataliaNeeSama you mean like canon raditz, nappa, the entire ginyu force, dabura, babidi, kid buu, and all the movie villains before battle of gods?
Frieza is still a villain, but he’s matured. He’s still in the game for his own benefits, and will team up with the good guys if necessary. Freezypop takes in the perspectives in different scenarios like his father did.
agreed, the only thing i'd change with what you said was about him teaming up with the good guys, no matter how it's done, Frieza is using them for his own ends, and the heroes know that they are being used.
"like his father did"
...i really liked this comparison for reasons beyond me
Think how Part 3 Dio is more matured and has developed compared to Part 1 Dio
@@redjirachi1 I mean...Dio in part 3 was shown less then Dio in part one and just wanted to rule all because of the lols so not sure about that.
@@redjirachi1 dio wasn't that much different than his part 1 self.
He’s whatever Vegeta was during the Freeza Saga. Still very much a villain and antagonist but if need be he’ll team up with the dragon team while still plotting against them.
Would Vegeta reform team three stars with Goku and Broly ?
21stcenturyschizoidman a They’ll never find your body.
@@21stcenturyschizoidmana29 ITS NOT A THING
IT WAS NEVER A THING
IT WILL NEVER BE A THING
World Of Versus That line between villain and anti-hero.
Until he kidnaps Pan and goes full Piccolo.
Freeza: "Look at me; Now I am mama."
Videl: "Freeza no."
Gohan: "Freeza no!"
Freeza/Vegeta: "Freeza/Vegeta YES!!"
He will be like Darkseid, evil to the core but smart enough to know when he is outclassed and needs to join forces with heroes.
Or Megatron.
Alternate title
Frieza: chaotic good or lawful evil
''chaotic neutral''
goku is chaotic good
@@astolfo2305 Goku is more of a neutral good, if we going by D&D allighment.
Goku is chaotic neutral
I see frieza as starting CE and now more CN slowly going LE
Since he is Lawful Evil due to his Emperor Status.
Anti-villain. He still does endlessly evil things but at the end of the day, if the universe is about to be destroyed, he'll stand up...mainly because he lives there but still. Also, being 100% honest I actually like this maturing of Frieza from just "evil emperor" to a villain with multiple dimensions to him. Let Cell be the unashamedly evil one, Frieza having an army to back him and an entire empire at his beck and call is *far* more interesting.
At least that's my feelings on it, really depends on how they swing it at the end of the day.
He was bribed to save a universe. He didn't do it to save anyone. He did it to get out of hell
Frieza during Broly Prelude intro
Neutral:Evil
Frieza during Namek
Chaotic:Evil
Frieza during T.O.P
Lawful:Evil
Frieza after T.O.P
Lawful/Neutral:Evil
I'd say that Frieza could potentially be threading the lines of Lawful Evil (depending on how future appearances play out) , but is currently Neutral Evil. He lost all of his Chaotic Evil prior to the ToP.
I'd love to see a filler arc with Frieza coming to Earth and inviting Gohan and 17 to a very awkward dinner party that ends up them just venting frustrations about Goku.
I love Frieza as a character in Dragon Ball Super. I think it was completely one hundred per cent the right decision to bring him back and keep him into the series. The way Frieza’s character was written throughout the Tournament of Power arc in Dragon Ball Super and the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie was sport on perfect. The writers need to keep a villain in the show to keep it interesting. I want Frieza to stick around for quite some time in the Dragon Ball series, he has earned his place.
I definetly see him as evolving into an Anti-Villain in the likes of Magneto or Dr Doom from Marvel. A villain you can like, even respect, but also knows where the line is... usually. I doubt he'll ever go as far as Anti-Hero like Vegeta (or where Magneto has kinda gone in comics); but he's likely never gonna be the main villain again. He's still potentially a threat, but more then likely he'll try to avoid getting on the wrong side of the Z fighters or Gods.
Magneto was never a villain....not really. Sure, he was "portrayed" as one, but why...because he has a more blunt, direct approach to dealing with the humans who, on every possible occasion, prove him right, that humans just....won't...leave them be, they gotta push, until someone who will push back...pushes back. Hell, even now, in the new X books we can see how, despite having basically an entire country to themselves, not bothering anyone, humans just can't leave it be. Dr. Doom is just an asshole with a MASSIVE superiority complex.
Not happening. Frieza will always be evil.
He's not an anti-villain, as those guys are bad guys with good intentions, something Frieza doesn't have.
Considering that Frieza has his empire again, I'm AMAZED he hasn't shown up in the Moro arc. Moro and his henchmen's antics should have been noticed by the Frieza Force at this point.
Weren't his goons on Yardrat. Even in the Namek saga the Ginyu force supposedly had a mission there but got diverted to Namek before they could go (Explaining how Goku got there in a Ginyu pod). As for Moro, its possible he does know but doesn't want to confront an energy drinking goat, or maybe he really doesn't know.
Frieza is irredeemable in my eyes. He should NEVER become a good guy.
I don't think he ever will. I haven't seen any indications of him turning a new leaf.
He will never be an "good guy" but he will be adleast an decent one
He just less foolish and more wiser and less whiney then the frieza in the namak arc
I'd never want to see him as anything more than a frenemy to the main cast
you might be a "Bad Guy" but that doesn't mean your a "Bad" Guy
Definitely villain, everything is done out of selfishness
Half agree, though selfishness alone only makes someone a jerk, I mean there are even heroes who are selfish to an extreme fault. The villain aspect requires a certain amount of malevolence driving the selfishness, which Frieza does have in droves. But time will tell which direction he develops in.
Suggestion: What if goku trained with frieza in the otherworld with king kai
Breakdown: after he dies by cell, in the otherworld king kai suggests he should spar with frieza to incresase his power. He does this and gets ssj3 earlier and has better control as well as having a higher battle power going into the buu saga
because then frieza would get golden form sooner?
That'd actually be a good match up given the nature of Saiyan Zenkais seeming to scale to the immediate opponent's strength. Goku would need to spend a little time getting Frieza's power up to Cell saga levels, but from there, the pair would improve at a frighteningly fast pace, and not only that, Frieza will actually have a proper, competent training partner, proper training methods and even an instructor who knows what he's doing, instead of whatever ramshackle workout program he threw together in RoF, because his rapid improvement aside, Frieza, while cunning, is still very much a brawler, no real skill or martial arts system, just raw strength, speed, crazy durability and a few cool techniques. But, with the right training . . .
@@dreadrath we get diamond freeza
true villian everything he does is for his own gain he has no hint of an actual conscience remember what his idea of hell was 🤣🤣
Looking too deeply into he’s just a villain, an anti-hero does good things for bad reasons, anti-villain does bad things for good reasons. Frieza kills because he can and he likes it. Therefore, bad guy.
an anti villain does good things for the wrong reasons actually
I would still like to see Cooler in Super to flesh out Frieza even more and boost character interactions.
Something I've always wanted to bring up is that Cell is the only Z main antagonist that isn't still present in the series. Vegeta & Buu are both a part of the protagonists, and Freeza deals with them on a regular basis, but Cell has no presence at all.
I like to think cell didn't have a soul
He was in hell while everyone was watching the fight with Kid Buu.
@@the-crimson-echo apparently that's filler which is why I didn't bring it up
Well...
Hey @MasakoX I was super happy to meet you at akumakon Thanks for coming to the event!
Neither. He's full-on villain.
I guess the stuff on Namek was forgotten, just like Gohan.
@Yung Katt but he's still a psycho
@Yung Katt he will swallow his pride to help himself long term like joining universe 7 because you cant rule over something that doesn't exist
@@pizzacrumbles Exactly. He joined purely out of pragmatism.
Yung Katt yep, the audience can just ignore the mass genocide character. Seems to be a mainstay of contemporary media and completely breaks human storytelling narratives.
I'm not a Dungeons & Dragons guy, but one of the things I really like about the game is their alignment system. Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic set against Good and Evil. So when set against that backdrop Freeza is Lawful Evil and always has been. You sort of have to be in order to organize, grow and maintain a galactic empire. His M.O. was enacting his evil through the rule of law, whereas Buu was Chaotic Evil and destroyed for the sake of destruction. I wonder if I could make an argument for Cell be Neutral Evil? Hmmm...
I still feel like cell was lawful evil. He set up a tournament and gave the z fighters time to prepare for it
@@birdup6581 That's one of the things that has me hung up a bit, because he did that, which implies lawful. But then on a whim he destroys the ring because he is having too much fun, which implies chaotic. I looked up the D&D definition for neutral and it basically said that the character is out for themselves, so that seems to fit Cell pretty well.
You can see him value others the most when he makes goku promise to revive him. He has come to a point of understanding goku and knows he wouldn't lie. the old frieza would never consider the traits/personality of anyone before and now he did so to his enemy.
I don't think he'll ever be anti-hero, but anti-villain is possible.
I had no problems whatsoever with them temporarily teaming up with Frieza. BUT, if they try to make him a comrade in any circumstance, that's where I draw the line
So I just realized I've been binge watching these videos for 3 hours now... guess that means I should sub
I just realized that if frieza takes back his empire in your what if frieza turned good what if he could become like giorno in jojo
@Tornike Tvalchrelidze giorno is not good by that I mean he's not a good person he has some good dreams such as wanting to get rid of the drugs in Italy but he is also a murderer and that makes him bad I meant it as giorno is both good and bad not that giorno turns good
I think now that Frieza has realized the gains of training he's gonna raise a hell of an army. Theres no reason with experiences he has now that he wouldnt make an army of at least Namic Piccolo level fighters maybe stronger.
I thought it would have been an interesting step for Frieza to be shaken by the prospect of the Tournement of Power and to use it as an excuse to continue the expansion of his empire under the guise of "increasing the level of civilisation throughout the universe". After all, whenever we saw scenes of his controlled planets they all incorporated the Cold/Frieza Force's Technology and he does arguably bring all races under him into a state of peace (albiet using an iron fist). I think this Justification would make for an interesting growth for the character and almost embolden him that his previous actions were justified beyond a basic desire for power and dominance.
You can't bring back a character that's been long outgrown by the heroes without giving him some kind of development.
Forcing him to develop physically (which according to R: F, is something he never had to do) and reckon with the fact that there are still other that can and will beat him means he can't be as one-note as he was.
So he's still a villain, just with an uneasy truce.
Frieza is becoming my favorite DB Super character. When he and Goku put aside their differences in the ToP, I was amazed. He had grown so much from the mustache twirling black hat from back in the days of Z. I especially loved how he and Gohan fit so well together when they were working together. I would love to see him and Gohan do more together by necessity. I think Gohan's and Frieza's relationship could be the spark Gohan needs to reclaim his old glory from the Cell Games.
Definitely either a Villain or an Anti Villain.
Zamasu is definitely an anti villain.
He’s a villain clever enough to know if the universe dies with him in it he’ll be gone too. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Villian 100%. Others can change, but Frieza is literally one cold being.
I expected you featured LittleKuriboh in this video
Masako! Two Discussions in 1 day? What's going on, man?!
"now in my approaching mid-thirties"
Nah, I'd say 21 with 14 years of experience
It is not a matter disagreeing with having complex villains, but a complex one doesn’t always mean there is some good in them.
Also some can really be boiled down to few traits and that’s in itself is not always bad, as long it’s not a misreading or misleading view.
I dissent, Frieza is not pure chaos, he's pure order. That's what a dictator is.
Cringe
There is a quote from The Godfather three that I think is pretty accurate towards the mindset of the more mature Frieza never hate your enemies it clouds your judgement and his hatred of the Saiyans in the day most certainly did Cloud his judgment
Vegeta is, arguably, more of a hero than Goku now. Vegeta fights to protect people important to him. Goku used to fight to protect people and getting a good fight was an added bonus, now it seems that is inverted. (Like super Vegeta vs semi perfect Cell: he'll endager the world for a good fight)
I wonder if Frieza will have an offspring or even a student.
I honestly love what's going on with friza right now
Hey masako, love your videos!
I think this would be a Great What If:
What If Frieza was sent to Earth alongside Goku and was brought up together.
I think this philosophy might apply to this situation- characters have to change and develop their beliefs/powers with the times/advertises they face. Things that remain static or revert to their undeveloped selves are casted out of the narrative because they no longer show a need to improve- leadings to their fall to obscurity or death.
Not sure if the DBS crew will go this way, but Frieza has some great potential to remain a Villian. During Namek, Frieza was not truly a Landshark. He was a Gang Boss. His authority derived from his physical power, "Rule of the Strong." His death(s) changed that he can't be a Gang Boss anymore. Landsharks (Japan and elsewhere) derived their power from POSITION (of wealth). Buying the Strength of Governments and their "Laws".
Frieza only ever really knew Physical power. He wanted more of it to secure his place as unchallenged authority. It would be interesting for him to discover and use the other levers of power. Emotional and psychological manipulation. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be the play he's getting. Trying to steal dragon balls to increase his physical height, because of his vanity.... While correct to his character, the execution still feels like he isn't growing as a Villain.
Which sadly is moving him toward Anti-villian Comic Relief. Of all the Villians of Dragon Ball, Frieza really had the opening to be a Lex Luthor but Dragon Ball style. Taking cruel enjoyment from fights of the mind, as much as physical fights. A villian we'd love to hate because he's constantly subverting the expectation that Might alone wins all. A true despotic Landshark, using all the levers of power against the heroes. In both grand and petty ways.
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There is something I've wondered about since I was a kid. I remember seeing on the show about villains claiming to sell entire planets to the "highest bidder." I've never seen a Dragon Ball Z episode where Frieza or the Saiyans were shown being paid. Kinda curious who does that as they could make interesting villains themselves.
He's a straight up villain. Frieza has literally done 0 good aside from hanging from a tree listening to happy music. Self preservation is not a good or bad trait. Self preservation is outside the bounds of good vs evil or villain vs hero.
Frieza kills his own troops, kills troops from other dimensions, kills humans, Namekians, Saiyans, Cerelians, his own race etc. Frieza is sorta like a galactic ancient emperor. No villain or hero is good all the time or bad all the time.
Not even Mickey Mouse.
Have to agree Frieza is definitely an Anti-villain and I hope he stays that way it's a far more interesting dynamic especially as its one not done that often.
I'd really like to see his character evolve more into being a ruthless and evil leader, but who has more of a positive attitude towards those he keeps around him but will still eliminate them should they outstay their welcome.
I was about to say, doesn’t that thumbnail have one of Lythero’s emotes?
Then I see proper credit in the description and I’m like “well that’s neat”
Naturally! Lythero is one cool guy.
"That b%tch tried to eat me !"
MasakoX indeed. I played some rounds with him in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 a while ago and he was a good sport about everything.
He beat me proper quite a few times.
I honestly think Cell would be a better choice of character use than Frieza.
I agree with the points you have made and hope they use him as a side not a main thing anymore. His time has long past.
Hey MasakoX, I have a weird but interesting what if for you. What if Goku escaped to Klymtar (the planet of the symbiots like Venom) instead of Yardrat. We could see the symbiots impacting the franchise in interesting ways. First having the Z fighters thinking the symbiots are usefull before they show their darker traits.
Please consider this idea ok? Thanks.
I personally think Frieza will always be a villain, but one who doesnt just destroy everything. He showed in the Broly movie, he allowed his subjects to talk to him and it surprised them. Well except Berryblue, she knew she was safe.
I think I would like to see more of how he works with his subordinates now, however still destroying those who may oppose him.
A huge line for freezer's character growth was in the final push against Jiren when he trusts Goku to revive him
I would say that Freeza is still a full on villain.
He's just wised up. He's not invincible and he knows it. Any good he does is just self preservation.
I would argue that freeza was less about chaos or evil, but rather pure greed. Sure, he had a sadistic streak, but before he wanted to cause pain, he wanted everything he could take. I would also say that his cruelty is a consequence or having the power to get what he wants however he wants, including the dignity of those who would defy him. This can be seen in how he takes planets, races, and attempts to steal immortality from the dragon balls. In general, he wants material possessions. However, once he gets humiliated by Son Goku, he begins to want something else, satisfaction, or rather, revenge. Then he gets humiliated again and gets basically gets tortured for several years. He still wants satisfaction and revenge, but has been forced to confront the truth that he needs to be stronger in order to get his revenge. So he trains, fights goku, and manages to humiliate the saiyan in return by dealing a critical blow through a minion, but then dies again. At this point, being in hell, he still dislikes the saiyans, but can at least stomach fighting alongside them at this point. Also, as he should be aware they are willing to allow him to do as he pleases, he can create a greater force over time with which to destroy them, so he'll test out a new soldier on them, but he won't risk being sent back to hell by fighting them himself. I would also say that the majority of why his demeanor has changed has to do with being in hell for so long and with being forced to work with goku and the others. He now dislikes not having fun, and has grown to understand that it can be enjoyable to act informal with others. Rather than joining the "good guys" he's simply began applying what he's learned to his own life. The biggest change since the Namek saga being that he knows he enjoys fighting. In short, he's become a person who wants to have fun, doesn't mind being extremely informal with those he surrounds himself with, who loves to fight, who is preparing to defeat the strongest person he's gone up against.
Tldr: Freeza has gone from reflecting some of Goku's Traits to most of Goku's traits
We already have Vegeta as the anti-hero so Frieza as the anti-villain would make more sense over time.
Also I'm happy that someone on UA-cam finally talks about an Anti-villain; especially with that new series The Boys featuring these "Superheroes" there are set up perfectly as the Anti-villains of the story.
Vejita is no longer an anti-hero in super. If something, Goku is closer to this definition.
@@vegokan : Goku as an anti-hero? I don't see it, yet for Gohan that seems more plausible.
I still get confused on the definition of anti-villain vs anti-hero. I just looked up the definition too, and for some reason I still can't put my finger on it. Seems to me, at it's core, it's about two polar opposite roles. One does good thing for bad reasons, and the other does bad thing for good reasons. If that is the definition, which one does Freeza fall into? Well in the tournament of power, he defended Universe 7 from a bad fate, so he did a good thing. The reasons he did it was to protect himself from being erased from existence, and he wanted to be resurrected. He did a good thing for a selfish (I.e bad) reason. Is that an anti-hero or anti-villian?
Beyond this, however, seems to me he's still a pure villain, doing bad things for bad reasons. He's gone back to his evil ways of conquering other worlds that don't want to be conqured. Although this is relegated to the background, we see worlds fighting Freeza's forces back in an attempt to protect themselves from being conquered, and while that is going on Freeza is just chilling on his throne and talking about whimsical stuff like wishing he was a few inches taller. Evil is being wrought in front of him and he's so chill about it that the suffering he brings doesn't even enter his conscious thoughts AT ALL. He's still scheming how to get around this "Goku" problem, but this time he's being patient and calculating about it. He's no longer underestimating his opponent, and instead seeks out ways to more safely undermine his nemesis. "Nemesis" is a key word here that puts him clearly in the antagonists role, and that role is reserved for anyone against the heroes, which means villain. Just straight up villain. No anti anything. He's still a pure villain who occasionally works with the heroes if he has to. Freeza will do whatever it takes to further his goals, no matter the cost unless the cost scarifies too much from himself. As a villain, he is always looking after number 1 (himself) and must always come out on top no mater what, period. Freeza is no longer working with absolutes, however. He's flexible in his approach to solving problems. The problems he deals with and the options that seems available dictate his actions. If doing what others consider a good thing furthers his agendas, then fine. Whatever. Whatever works, works. If doing an evil thing fuhrers his goals then he'll do that too. I even think he prefers that options because it makes him seem like he doesn't compichulate or seem weak in any way, according to HIS definition of being weak.
Freeza can now respect his opponents, something he didn't do before, but that doesn't mean he's anywhere near true friendship levels with the other characters. I have always saw this as a calculating and manipulative character. He used to have a massive ego and thought himself invincible accordingly, and yet he sought out ways to make himself immortal as if he was terrified at the mere possibility of failure. None of that stopped him from being occasionally diplomatic while at the same time subtly or overtly insulting whomever he's talking to. All of this he did for fun.
In the new Brolly movie, I'm honestly still confused why Freeza doesn't seek immortality. In my opinion, he should be more determined for that wish then ever before. Not only would that make him truly invincible, but it's another safeguard against a fate far worse that death, and that is returning to his personal hell. The only reason I can see for his actions in that movie is maybe he no longer fears hell because he calmed his mind enough to ignore such distractions, which is another reason he's so calm now.
Freezers is just the yandere waifu of Goku, you would think that was Vegeta and he was for a time but Vegeta grew out of it so Goku was forced to find a new yandere waifu in Freeza
Freeza-chan is everyone yandere.
12:12 manga chapter 87made u look like a right mug lol
9:00 Also the fact these people joking with him a bit around him/ serving under him, are people he sees as family, at least Berry was.
uploading another video I see. well we all know that even though Toriyama actually cares about Frieza and made him appeared again, but still he wanted to make him look like villain, just barely enough to be around Goku and his co.
but we all know that Frieza felt like he's being whitewashed in DBS. idk it just looked like that to me. so yeah... he's meant to be anti villain now, but it only gives impression of anti hero.
He used to be a villian but I really feel like he’s An anti hero now. Just my opinion
Happy birthday to me thanks masako for this video
Anti-villain. He'll never turn good, but he'll certainly help the dragon team put down any threats larger than himself.
Kinda like Dr. Doom.
Neither. He's a villain. Plain and simple. Any help he ever gave to Goku and the others to save Universe 7 was purely self serving.
Freeza was never "pure chaos". That's a silly assumption. He was never any kind of representation of chaos. He was always an agent of order, very strict order.
Double upload? Maybe if were lucky we can get a triple?!? Also i am gonna say freezy-pop is villain turned anti hero!
I guess I'm the only one who wants to see Frieza keep being involved with the Z Fighters until such a time that he actually DOES change his wicked ways.
I love a good redemption story, and this is probably the longest one I've ever seen happening.
i dont know if he's the character that would fit that. I can see a redemption arc story if it was Cell instead.
12:11-Manga meanwhile:Yo,let's make Frieza the villain of the next arc and give him the n word pass!
Frieza is one the best villains in anime not just DBZ.
I need Frieza to be Full Villain! No Anti anything.
In terms of Frieza's age I wouldn't count his time in hell, so he's about 16 years younger than he actually is ( it was 15 years between his first and second death and a year later was the tournament of power
He was also supposed to be the final villain at one point...I wouldn’t be surprised if Akira is returning to his original plan to have him be the last baddy
No bro Freeza was never meant to be the last villain. That whole Namek was supposed to be the last arc has long been proven to be false.
@@Drums_of_Liberation It's only fitting he is. Frieza is the overall catalyst for the DBZ story.
Masako you said everyone is gray in terms of good and Evil. what about Goku? Pretty sure he's Pure Heart and doesn't fit the gray area :p
Goku isn't evil but isn't good either. He endangers everyone for no reason
Also there is amazing 100% villains in fiction, Joker, Carnage, Darkseid, Freddy Kruger, Etc...
Or just a villain...
Next week: Scouters. Doohickey or thingamajig?
I wished that Frieza didn't rebuild his empire out of nowhere and just abandoned the idea of having one since he already destroyed most if not all of his remaining army. Not to mention where the hell were his two advisers Kikono and Berryblue in all of this and why didn't he contact them when he got revived the first time around? It's like Toriyama just put them in to make the Galactic Frieza Army look interesting and deep with no clear thinking and because of that it creates more plot holes in the story when you think about it. I swear Toriyama needs to abandon his writing by the seat of his pants approach and actually do some long term thinking.
He's a villain. Not anti anything
Oh my god, that thumbnail.
Lythero (As Freeza): "He f*cking deserved it!... He's a b*tch!"
Wow. Masako has a point here. So now if Cooler is inturduced he'd be like a representation of what Freeza was in the past, that could result in interestinf developments, don't you think?
The frieza character run it's course imo he is no longer needed as a villain anymore otherwise it gets dull and repetitive. Add that he is very popular it make a sense to give him growth as a character and refreshing if they turn frieza while no longer a villain but more an anti hero who teams with the dragon crew
Good Omens is written by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett.
Love that book! I read it when I was 17 or something. Turning 41 this year.
Of course, my mistake. Thanks for that.
did you honestly say the frieza movie had nothing memorable in it?
The song when he breaks out of his pod is by itself a reason to watch the whole movie
I like a more pragmatic-evil version of the Emperor.
Apparently I’m a weird Dragonball fan because I was never fond of Frieza. Didn’t hate him but never found him very interesting. I still don’t. I’d be happier if they just moved onto other obstacles and challenges.
As for the question at hand, I’d say he’s a villain that’s figured out he’s not invincible and wants to keep himself alive. If that means allying with his enemies from time time, that’s what he’ll do
Freiza is a dangerous villain... Gogeta should of finished Freiza off when he had the chance in the Broly movie... Allowing Freiza to go will come back and bite them in the ass because if Freiza can train for 1 month and rival ssb Goku... Imagine if he goes in exile for two years or more and achieves a new more vicious form & comes back with a master plan that threatens the existence of the multiverse or they could make it more interesting & exciting by reintroducing Cooler making him Canon and teaming up with his brother Freiza...
Hi Lawrence
So i wanted to ask.....whats toyotaros problem with krillin?
Like he’s been treated like a joke....kinda worried that he will do some real damage....or worse split up 18 and him....or have i just missread it all?
what if cooler ''adopted'' goku? please make a video about that!!!!!!!
That would be intresting
Well..That is”Cool”!
if we're talking "cooler captures goku's pod instead of letting it fly by and raising him as a weapon against his brother" type of adopted then i can see the phrase "you may be cool, but my dad's cooler" being used a lot
To be fair, Freeza really isn't either, he tends to only commit to things that will benefit him, his thought process mostly being "Well what's in it for me?".
he's a villain who you sometimes team up with, but most definitely still a villain
I kinda see Frieza as Lex Luthor. Evil to the core, but he will help the heroes...as long as it benefits himself
I will consider Frieza to be more lawful evil than chaotic because lawful evil is describe as being the alignment of tyrants sure he may destroy things but he is also an iron-fisted ruler who demands obedience
you should do a what if cell was brought back for the universal tournament of power ark. i think cell would become way stronger then frieza could.