In favor of the mash shuffling technique, as a commander/EDH Magic: the Gathering player, trying to ruffle a 100 card deck is quite painful and slow. As well as it's an unspoken rule to, while mash shuffling, to look away from the decks while shuffling
I've been exclusively Mash Shuffling for well over a decade. As some people have already pointed out, it's an unspoken rule to just look away while mash shuffling. Also, to avoid 1 card over another situation, allow the bottom pile to spread out a bit before mashing in the upper half. This should make it so that some cards stick together, adding to the randomness of the technique. Doing this 7-8 times should be enough to give you a good randomized deck. As for when it seems like your opponent didn't shuffle well enough, I always ask for me to do a final cut, where I divide the deck into 3-4 piles before putting it back together. I do not claim by any means that these steps will guarantee a fully randomized deck, but they're what I do to avoid riffle Shuffling and damaging my cards or my opponent's.
You should've sleeved half the deck in different colored sleeves to give a better example. Besides that, awesome video and awesome hints to spot those fake cheat shuffles.
Oh really? I didn't knew. I never was caught by a judge in the past 20 years of playing TCG's for marking my resource cards in yellow sleeves and my other cards in black. It's what @Topegi TCG says; for the demonstration it would've been better so people can really see the randomization in the stack of cards, rather than only seeing the cards being shuffled. I've had discussions many times, even while playing Hold 'em Poker that riffle shuffles were bad and not good for the deck.
I'd call myself a casual player, I do sell cards that I'm not currently using in my deck. So condition is kind of a priority for me. What I do, is I put my thumbs on the top corners of the sleeves and riffle shuffle, and I haven't had any problems with damaging my cards since! The only thing to be careful of, is at longer tournaments, and doing that over and over, I usually leave with scratched up thumbs.
As a semi-competitive Yugioh player who is looking at videos from other Tcgs it’s actually very interesting to watch this. In Yugioh Riffle shuffles are frowned upon and are the sign of the heavy casual. Pile Shuffling is the only competitive form of shuffling. No one wants to bend their 60$ Ash Blossoms or their 80$ Infinite Impermanences. Also you mash shuffle upside down, that’s why you can see the whole deck, if you shuffle Sleeve-Side up you can’t actually see your cards
i come late to the party, but, waterfall shuffling imo is the best method overall for competitive yugioh, you randomize everything and avoid ruining your staples in the process
@@SatanicWren you spread the cards each other in the middle, i did that with sorted cards by same copies and the result was completely randomized in the end try this way but don't loose your grip too much to avoid showing the cards to your opponent ua-cam.com/video/tsFBC2Wq5mU/v-deo.html
So I was watching how my cards slipped together during a mash shuffle and the interleave seemed to vary. Sometimes 1-1,1-2 or even 1-3 interleave. I'm at a loss as to how this is different from riffling since that seems to be the main thing riffling has going for it. I keep my cards fairly loose when I do it, so that's probably why I was seeing such variety in interleave.
He also makes the argument that when mash shuffling you might not get even piles of cards in each hand before you mash shuffle. My question is (just like you) how is that any different than riffle shuffling? Wouldn't you still have the possibility of having uneven stacks? I would love to meet the person that can perfectly cut a deck of cards every single time.
7:51 when that happens, what you do is take the group of cards that didn't get mixed in, and push/shuffle that pack down into push them into the main chunk the same way. If you do that, it becomes more random even faster than riffle shuffling.
5:27 With that extended "Sooome" my head instantly filled in "body once told me the world was gonna roll me" Now I have that meme of a song stuck in my head.
12:55... My heart broke. My Opponent: "You should really riffle shuffle... Its the best way to get proper randomization" Me: "You should eat a hot plate of shut the hell up"
I've just started the game and I mash shuffle. I shuffle big piles, smaller piles, and half piles. I try to keep it as random as possible and I always look away from my deck. If someone riffled my deck I think I would cry.
When I mash shuffle, I do a cut, mash then I take about 1/3 of the top and mash into the middle, 1/3 off the bottom and mash, then cards from the middle and mash, then cut mash one more time. While I mash, I always do so into my left hand with the cards facing to the left and tilted downward so no one can see the card's faces. As far as riffle, goes, yes I want to preserve my cards, but mostly, despite practice, I can't seem to do it without flinging cards everywhere.
Number Six see i can mash shuffle and get the same randomness as riffle, the trade-off is, it ruins my sleeves. Over and over the corners break from forcing them in... But riffle shuffle ruins the cards unless youre super careful, so i just take my time while doing it, and dont do a big bridge at all. I dont have a single bent card and i sometimes shuffle them just to keep myself from being bored lmfao.
If I may allow myself, it is 7 shuffles for a normal deck of 52 cards. So 7 kind of makes sense when you have 60 cards at the beginning of the game, less when you reach the end
I typically dont riffle because of the card damage potential but also because I use Ultimate Guard sleeves and they dont really riffle well at all. I mass shuffle but I always have my deck face down and I typically dont look at my deck when I shuffle.
mash shuffle with the back of the card facing away from your palm so you can't see the bottom card, and do it at a downwards angle so the stack you pick up isn't visible at all either
The riffle looks great and is the best for randomizing but I will never do it, I want to protect my sleeves and cards. I didn't invest in a deck of cards only to have them destroyed. Especially when some of them cost so much.
These are the kind of videos that no other channel can do as well as you guys. More of these would be amazingly helpful. Maybe a possible topic would be optimal deck building or even calling the meta of a larger tournament.
Doesn’t riffle shuffling suffer from the same problem as mash shuffling if you have uneven piles? It’s probably less susceptible to it and only really would happen if they were super uneven, but still would be an issue. Also, you can still stack the deck with riffle shuffles, so it’s something to watch out for. It’s super easy for someone to always have the bottom card drop first or the top drop last, which allows them to keep it there.
@@daddyascii9040 this is complete bs btw because you mix the piles and if you have cards unshuffled you make sure they get shuffled in otherwise that is cheating
You should explain the positives and negatives of double sleeving (perfect fits and regulars or outer sleeves too) and the effects it has on shuffling.
Many people have full arts in their decks so I would never riffle shuffle. It's pretty painful to watch specially if kids have full art lele's. I mash shuffle and then offer my opponent to shuffle as well.
i mash shuffle to not damage my cards, and don't really care what my opponent thinks because they are always free to shuffle my deck instead of cut. i always shuffle my opponents deck so i'm not stacked against.
Mash shuffling is my preferred method because it’s effective without damaging my expensive deck. When a Modern deck cost well over a grand I’m not about to bend my cards period. Mash shuffle faced down 10 times is good enough for me.
The paper you cited did not have 7 riffles as the “magic number” but 8 and a half, or 9 rounded up. However, in interest of time and pace of play, 7 would still probably be considered sufficiently random.
Man I can't riffle shuffle to save my life. So if we play in Dallas feel free to riffle my deck for the cut or what not. Not gonna hurt my feelings or cards.
Hey, first, I love this vid! It helps so much since I'm getting into the TCG. Second, 7 riffle shuffles might be best, but that number is based off a 52-card deck. Just worth keeping in mind since most of the time people will be shuffling a sub-46 card deck (7 in hand, 6 prizes, 1 first turn draw) so 7 would be sufficient. However, at the very beginning of the game, it might be that 8 riffle shuffles achieves sufficient randomness on a 60-card deck instead of 7. I'm not sure what the difference is between 8 and 7, but since riffle shuffles increase "randomness" exponentially, it's worth keeping in mind that at a bigger card count, an extra riffle might be necessary.
You might look into how casinos riffle shuffle as it results in less bending of the cards, better keeps secret the bottom card of the deck, and is easier with larger numbers of cards.
huh, no one ever replied sleeves are required because unless a card is mint(which they will never be after one game) all cards having whitening and can be easily identified sleeves do make it slippery too.
I dont riffle because i suck at it and dont want to bend my cards. I mash only but i do understand its limitations. To combat those limitations I mash a couple times quickly then cut a few times then mash a couple times then cut a few times etc then present my deck to my opponent.
So I've been thinking about this a bit and here's my 2 cents in favor of both riffle and card preservation. If Pokemon produces cards that they know are going to have high after market value because they are required to play at a high level but also want to encourage fair play (at least through proper shuffling) and accessibility, then why don't they allow proxies for those cards if you can present them as being in your possession? Make is so you have to check the cards in for them to hold so people don't just keep presenting the same physical cards over and over again. It seems like you could use the Lele from the Worlds decks to proxy for the real thing as long as you use sleeves with opaque backs.
I'll pile shuffle and take each pile, mash shuffle it, and introduce a new pile one at a time into the mash. I make sure to hold the bottom of the deck toward my hand as to not look at the cards and watch the back closely in the off chance that I drop one or flip one upside down by mistake.
I mash shuffle but I grab from the bottom first then the top then the bottom and so on so on about 5 to 6 times. I'm very picky about shuffling and I have to know that it's being randomized
I haven't played the physical Pokemon TCG in years and haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh as often as I would've liked, but I don't use riffle shuffling on trading cards because I'm paranoid of damaging the cards themselves too quickly.
Oh my God, the riffle shuffle. That's something I cannot do to my collectible cards. But for playing cards that are like $3 a pack and more flexible, I am ok with that.
as a beginner I mash shuffle just because I'm the worst at doing any other kind of shuffle. I always try to mash shuffle with the card horizontally. Wish I was able to do a better shuffle LoL..
I mash shuffle but i dont push the cards down (putting them 1 by 1) i "open" the bottom pile and let the top pile fall into the bottom pile, moving my hand from top to bottom. This has more randomness than pushing them, and does not damage them. I agree that you can cheat by looking at your deck.
_Why Riffle Shuffle when I can Riffle Stack_ Also, that's a Shotgun Shuffle, it fucks up your cards, and unlike Yugioh and Magic, knowing what your cards are through the sleeves (From the bends) can in fact give you information that you shouldn't have, and influence your plays and (what should be) random decisions
In casino we spread cards all over the table and mess them all up for 30 seconds per deck that we shuffle. collect them in then riffle shuffle twice, then strip thr cards take quater like a 6th of the deck from top and put it down then 6th from bottom then 6th from top then 6th from bottom etc. Then riffle twice again.
You have to bend the cards as little as possible. Try to get cards to overlap only a few mm (like 1/10 of an inch) after the riffle and you really don't need to bend the cards as much. Also, don't rifle with the long side but the short side which also requires less bending. Yeah, it's a bit harder that way but it will cause much less damage to your cards and once you learn it well, it's the fastest way to shuffle the cards.
L5R used to handle the "double nickeling" problem by letting your opponent have the final shuffle. If a savvy player spotted their opponent doing this, they could just pile shuffle with a particular number of piles to undo the weaving, thereby forcing their opponent to play with a deck that was the equivalent of all the energy on the top (or bottom).
Another legit video as usual, best competitive Pokémon channel on UA-cam by far. Thanks for this. I’d love to see a intro to strategy type video..stuff you wanna do to set up and how to look into the future turns...stuff like that.
Hey Andrew, whats your opinion on hindu shuffling? Do you feel its a shady way to shuffle? Do you feel its an effective way to randomize your deck? Im curious what your take is on it
I hope Professor K is watching this because he is the Worst Shuffler in the World.. no, that's a lie.. in the universe ...and the upside down from Stranger Things... and wherever Giratina lives
I like this shuffling method but don't you need to use different shuffling methods along with this one? If you only riffle shuffle it seems like the top cards stay on the top of the deck and never find their way to the bottom.
I don't do riffles anymore, only with proxies, it's stupid, just forget about it. If for some reason my opponent proceeds to riffle shuffle my deck, i'm calling the judge.
Riffle shuffling is fine at tournaments but I have had opponents take the bending too far because they realized they would lose. Thus far spiteful players have destroyed over $1000 of my cards with zero recourse. Also I have once had a card spitefully bent only for that player to inform his friend about the bent card having me be disqualified in the finals at my LGS for having a "Marked Card". If you play in a competitive setting where there is risk of a spiteful opponent a method of recourse for damage to a card. I have had full folds of my cards by an opponent only to say it was an accident. Not only destroying often times a $35 card but also making my deck no longer tournament legal.
I don’t think any other card game riffle shuffles, I know that deep down inside you think it helps but it really doesn’t. Tell your opponent to lightly shuffle the cards while they look away and you tell them when to stop if makes you feel any better. Tournaments should ban riffle shuffle if your opponent tells you not; exception if they agree upon asking or it’s there own deck.
i do a 8 pile shuffle, then pile shuffle each stack until theres only 4 piles. then riffle shuffle 2 piles together, then fiffle the final 2 piles together and finish off with a couple mash shuffles before i offer a cut... lol
If you ever consider redoing this video; you could better demonstrate the effectiveness of the different shuffling with half red sleeves and half blue sleeves.
@@goatman0123 Competitive decks cost $150-200 so the average person would absolutely care about preserving their deck. It would be totally unfair to only let rich people play
there is a lot of different kinds of shuffles out there. i been doing the same shuffle style for almost 8 years now and have no problem with any tournament organizer or any judge with how i shuffle.
As a collector and a player I NEVER bridge my deck. With that being said what are the rules on bridging your opponent's deck? If a player asked please don't bridge my deck and they do what's the ruling? You wanna mash shuffle go for it as long as they're not trying to destroy them. I'm a honest player and turn my head with my deck at a heavy slant away from my face. Getting a good mix of random card's is my goal when I shuffle. More power to the honest player's shuffle and shame to the cheaters that have made shuffling a hard topic. Thanks for a good video!!!!!
As a general courtesy, I've never riffled my opponent's deck in a tournament. I mindlessly did it one time on accident, and I instantly realized what I had done and apologized to the player across me. He wasn't upset because he recognized it wasn't a malicious attempt to damage his cards, but I've definitely seen players flip out when they riffle someone else's deck. To add, I also flinch slightly when another player riffles my cards, even though I aggressively riffle my own, because I feel the same courtesy I extend should be extended by everyone. Also, thank you for turning your head when shuffling your opponent's deck. I find it extremely frustrating when people look straight down when shuffling when a big chunk of stacking/cheating is avoided by simply looking over your shoulder for a few seconds.
If you ask someone not to riffle your deck, they shouldn't do it. It's disrespecting you and your property. I don't think it's enforceable, but it's certainly a bad thing to do.
Thank you so much dude! As someone looking to get into the pokemon TCG scene coming into the new year, this video is invaluable. I need to practice my shuffling a bit, but this helped me a ton in just shuffle know-how.
Wouldn't a safe and effective way to shuffle is to let your opponent cut the deck two times then you lay all the cards onto the table and "wash" them. Then when it's all done, your opponent cuts it one more time(three total) and begin. By washing(this is a casino card game term) I mean you start moving all the cards that's laid on the table and mix them around for 10 seconds. The idea of letting your opponent cut your deck three times is so that you won't know where the cards are going since your opponents will cut it at random. If for whatever reasons you don't want your opponent to cut your card because you don't want them touching it, have the ref/announcer do it.
If you bridge that will flatten them out. You can also riffle a lot more gentle than Andrew and the damage would be minimal. I've been using cards that have been riffled for years and years with no marked issues, especially if all your cards look like that to some extent they aren't marked.
I played an opponent who’s deck appeared “consistently” bent due to riffle, but I did wonder, If one card was intentionally more or less bent than the others, would I notice?
Dude if you're gonna bend your cards that much could you at least not use those expensive basic energies from HGSS or that secret rare energy retrieval
One complaint here. You call out Mash shuffling on the basis that a nefarious player could relatively easily look at their cards (especially the bottom card). From my poker experience, with riffle a nefarious player could pretty easily see the bottom two cards. Cheaters gonna cheat.
24 full minutes of watching someone shuffle
Just like my oppenents at tournaments..
Net ball, pokegear 3.0, net ball, jirachi, Cynthia, poke com, elm, floral path
Savage.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
this style is optimal because your opponent will be on tilt whenever you shuffle
In favor of the mash shuffling technique, as a commander/EDH Magic: the Gathering player, trying to ruffle a 100 card deck is quite painful and slow. As well as it's an unspoken rule to, while mash shuffling, to look away from the decks while shuffling
I hear you on this, but then again I'm the madman that double sleeved all of my commander decks as pretty much all my play happens at card shops.
If anyone ever riffle shuffles my deck I'm charging them 20$
20$ per foil card 😁
Rebecca C 20$ for each card😁
I don’t really like the comment but you are so one of the only people to not say rifle shuffle so frick it have a like.
I'll charge someone their whole pokémon card collection
I don't know how to mash shuffle, those people use witchcraft.
I've been exclusively Mash Shuffling for well over a decade. As some people have already pointed out, it's an unspoken rule to just look away while mash shuffling.
Also, to avoid 1 card over another situation, allow the bottom pile to spread out a bit before mashing in the upper half. This should make it so that some cards stick together, adding to the randomness of the technique. Doing this 7-8 times should be enough to give you a good randomized deck.
As for when it seems like your opponent didn't shuffle well enough, I always ask for me to do a final cut, where I divide the deck into 3-4 piles before putting it back together.
I do not claim by any means that these steps will guarantee a fully randomized deck, but they're what I do to avoid riffle Shuffling and damaging my cards or my opponent's.
You should've sleeved half the deck in different colored sleeves to give a better example.
Besides that, awesome video and awesome hints to spot those fake cheat shuffles.
Having 2 different colors for plain sleeves in a deck is illegal.
Oh really? I didn't knew. I never was caught by a judge in the past 20 years of playing TCG's for marking my resource cards in yellow sleeves and my other cards in black.
It's what @Topegi TCG says; for the demonstration it would've been better so people can really see the randomization in the stack of cards, rather than only seeing the cards being shuffled. I've had discussions many times, even while playing Hold 'em Poker that riffle shuffles were bad and not good for the deck.
@@mindustrial What the fuck? Either your judges are literally blind or you play in some shitty place to allow you to mark your resource cards.
@@ferrosplice8460 It appears to be sarcasm.
FerroSplice r/wooosh
I believe that the study was made on a 52 card deck
that's because after setting up 6 prizes, active pokemon + 7 in hand your deck is lower than even 50 cards
@@piotrgebocki6444 active comes from the 7 in your hand. not active plus 7
@@michaelashbrook3195 draw for turn maybe
@@piotrgebocki6444 what's in your hand and prizes should be random as well. More cards = more randomization needed
I'd call myself a casual player, I do sell cards that I'm not currently using in my deck. So condition is kind of a priority for me. What I do, is I put my thumbs on the top corners of the sleeves and riffle shuffle, and I haven't had any problems with damaging my cards since! The only thing to be careful of, is at longer tournaments, and doing that over and over, I usually leave with scratched up thumbs.
No doubt , sometimes I end long rounds with some skin peeling off my thumbs
I riffle shuffle really hard
I don’t mind condition but I do sell things I am not using
As a semi-competitive Yugioh player who is looking at videos from other Tcgs it’s actually very interesting to watch this. In Yugioh Riffle shuffles are frowned upon and are the sign of the heavy casual. Pile Shuffling is the only competitive form of shuffling. No one wants to bend their 60$ Ash Blossoms or their 80$ Infinite Impermanences. Also you mash shuffle upside down, that’s why you can see the whole deck, if you shuffle Sleeve-Side up you can’t actually see your cards
i come late to the party, but, waterfall shuffling imo is the best method overall for competitive yugioh, you randomize everything and avoid ruining your staples in the process
@@saimandarkbesthuntardever5168 But… waterfall shuffling isnt shuffling… its just a card trick… the cards remain in the same order
@@SatanicWren you spread the cards each other in the middle, i did that with sorted cards by same copies and the result was completely randomized in the end
try this way but don't loose your grip too much to avoid showing the cards to your opponent
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@@saimandarkbesthuntardever5168 Thats just mash shuffling with extra steps…
@@SatanicWren well, it worked for me anyways, pile shuffling just stacks your cards, doesn't randomize anything
So I was watching how my cards slipped together during a mash shuffle and the interleave seemed to vary. Sometimes 1-1,1-2 or even 1-3 interleave. I'm at a loss as to how this is different from riffling since that seems to be the main thing riffling has going for it. I keep my cards fairly loose when I do it, so that's probably why I was seeing such variety in interleave.
He also makes the argument that when mash shuffling you might not get even piles of cards in each hand before you mash shuffle. My question is (just like you) how is that any different than riffle shuffling? Wouldn't you still have the possibility of having uneven stacks? I would love to meet the person that can perfectly cut a deck of cards every single time.
7:51 when that happens, what you do is take the group of cards that didn't get mixed in, and push/shuffle that pack down into push them into the main chunk the same way. If you do that, it becomes more random even faster than riffle shuffling.
5:27 With that extended "Sooome" my head instantly filled in "body once told me the world was gonna roll me"
Now I have that meme of a song stuck in my head.
Sindragozer related
It’s the perfect note too 😂. I’ve watched that part like 5 times
As a collector this video breaks my heart.
This is what annoys me about people using secret rare cards when playing in tournaments.
Oh, then you've never seen Christian Moreno shuffle before. He'll turn a NM card into a MP card by the end of a tournament
KingCrowZ it's there cards, so deal with it
Cards were made to be played with.
Edward Chen you say that but you have trouble dealing with logical comments, its a sign of marking cards since its damage.
12:55... My heart broke.
My Opponent:
"You should really riffle shuffle... Its the best way to get proper randomization"
Me:
"You should eat a hot plate of shut the hell up"
Lol
Fr tho.
...ya riffle shufflers are a wild breed.
I've just started the game and I mash shuffle. I shuffle big piles, smaller piles, and half piles. I try to keep it as random as possible and I always look away from my deck. If someone riffled my deck I think I would cry.
When I mash shuffle, I do a cut, mash then I take about 1/3 of the top and mash into the middle, 1/3 off the bottom and mash, then cards from the middle and mash, then cut mash one more time. While I mash, I always do so into my left hand with the cards facing to the left and tilted downward so no one can see the card's faces.
As far as riffle, goes, yes I want to preserve my cards, but mostly, despite practice, I can't seem to do it without flinging cards everywhere.
Number Six see i can mash shuffle and get the same randomness as riffle, the trade-off is, it ruins my sleeves. Over and over the corners break from forcing them in... But riffle shuffle ruins the cards unless youre super careful, so i just take my time while doing it, and dont do a big bridge at all. I dont have a single bent card and i sometimes shuffle them just to keep myself from being bored lmfao.
That's the main reason I like the gloss Dragon Shield. You don't have to use much force at all to mash.
YAY! THE SHUFFLE VIDEO! What a great birthday present!
If I may allow myself, it is 7 shuffles for a normal deck of 52 cards. So 7 kind of makes sense when you have 60 cards at the beginning of the game, less when you reach the end
Good point! i usually do between 3-5 as the game progresses
Ripple shuffling is so painful to watch 😂
Swift Limited no its not
KK Sitanggang yes it is
Riffle
It's because it fucks up cards
You can't shotgun shuffle without fucking up your cards
I typically dont riffle because of the card damage potential but also because I use Ultimate Guard sleeves and they dont really riffle well at all. I mass shuffle but I always have my deck face down and I typically dont look at my deck when I shuffle.
mash shuffle with the back of the card facing away from your palm so you can't see the bottom card, and do it at a downwards angle so the stack you pick up isn't visible at all either
The riffle looks great and is the best for randomizing but I will never do it, I want to protect my sleeves and cards. I didn't invest in a deck of cards only to have them destroyed. Especially when some of them cost so much.
AdzPower well clearly you don't care about being competitive
You don't destroy your cards.
Maybe if you knew how to ripple shuffle correctly you wouldn't destroy your cards
Did you watch the whole video? He takes cards out the sleeve to show how damaged they've gotten from his shuffling.
Yeah I did but if you know how to ripple shuffle correctly they won't get damaged
These are the kind of videos that no other channel can do as well as you guys. More of these would be amazingly helpful. Maybe a possible topic would be optimal deck building or even calling the meta of a larger tournament.
Doesn’t riffle shuffling suffer from the same problem as mash shuffling if you have uneven piles? It’s probably less susceptible to it and only really would happen if they were super uneven, but still would be an issue.
Also, you can still stack the deck with riffle shuffles, so it’s something to watch out for. It’s super easy for someone to always have the bottom card drop first or the top drop last, which allows them to keep it there.
it doesnt, they just demonstrated that 7:29 , with riffle you mix the entire two halves, with mash theres a pile that isnt mixed at all
@@daddyascii9040 this is complete bs btw because you mix the piles and if you have cards unshuffled you make sure they get shuffled in otherwise that is cheating
i think it also comes to what kind of sleeves you are using. some sleeves are good for mesh, some good for riffle, etc.
You should explain the positives and negatives of double sleeving (perfect fits and regulars or outer sleeves too) and the effects it has on shuffling.
I would bend my expensive cards all day long to look this cool, but I'm not able to do it with a 99 sleeved cards deck
Many people have full arts in their decks so I would never riffle shuffle. It's pretty painful to watch specially if kids have full art lele's. I mash shuffle and then offer my opponent to shuffle as well.
I have two full arts in my deck so I try to shuffle carefully whenever I use something like ultra ball
i mash shuffle to not damage my cards, and don't really care what my opponent thinks because they are always free to shuffle my deck instead of cut. i always shuffle my opponents deck so i'm not stacked against.
You pick up my deck unprompted, and I'm calling the ref.
Mash shuffling is my preferred method because it’s effective without damaging my expensive deck. When a Modern deck cost well over a grand I’m not about to bend my cards period. Mash shuffle faced down 10 times is good enough for me.
The paper you cited did not have 7 riffles as the “magic number” but 8 and a half, or 9 rounded up. However, in interest of time and pace of play, 7 would still probably be considered sufficiently random.
Man I can't riffle shuffle to save my life. So if we play in Dallas feel free to riffle my deck for the cut or what not. Not gonna hurt my feelings or cards.
love the sound of riffle shuffle
Hey, first, I love this vid! It helps so much since I'm getting into the TCG. Second, 7 riffle shuffles might be best, but that number is based off a 52-card deck. Just worth keeping in mind since most of the time people will be shuffling a sub-46 card deck (7 in hand, 6 prizes, 1 first turn draw) so 7 would be sufficient. However, at the very beginning of the game, it might be that 8 riffle shuffles achieves sufficient randomness on a 60-card deck instead of 7. I'm not sure what the difference is between 8 and 7, but since riffle shuffles increase "randomness" exponentially, it's worth keeping in mind that at a bigger card count, an extra riffle might be necessary.
You might look into how casinos riffle shuffle as it results in less bending of the cards, better keeps secret the bottom card of the deck, and is easier with larger numbers of cards.
Rip attempting to riffle-shuffle a 100-card Commander deck in mtg with my tiny hands.
Rebecca C thats cool and all, but i don't remember asking
Bruh it’s supposed to be funny because you are supposed to imagine trying to ruffle shuffle a 100 card deck.
E P H U S 😂😂😂
I am a seniors and i can riffle a double sleeved 100 cards
If you're not interested in preserving the quality of the cards, what're sleeves for? Just shuffle feel?
huh, no one ever replied
sleeves are required because unless a card is mint(which they will never be after one game) all cards having whitening and can be easily identified
sleeves do make it slippery too.
This helped me a lot. I'm preparing for my first tcg regionals and I'm trying to learn whatever I can before I get there.
Did you win?
@@alcreamiemaster7293 I won sometimes!
@@bernieswim that's decent then, do you still play
The one problem with just riffle shuffling is that it is pretty easy to keep the bottom cards the same so that they get cut to the top.
That riffle shuffle *hurt*
I dont riffle because i suck at it and dont want to bend my cards. I mash only but i do understand its limitations. To combat those limitations I mash a couple times quickly then cut a few times then mash a couple times then cut a few times etc then present my deck to my opponent.
5 years later and this thumbnail still gives me agita
So I've been thinking about this a bit and here's my 2 cents in favor of both riffle and card preservation. If Pokemon produces cards that they know are going to have high after market value because they are required to play at a high level but also want to encourage fair play (at least through proper shuffling) and accessibility, then why don't they allow proxies for those cards if you can present them as being in your possession? Make is so you have to check the cards in for them to hold so people don't just keep presenting the same physical cards over and over again. It seems like you could use the Lele from the Worlds decks to proxy for the real thing as long as you use sleeves with opaque backs.
I'll pile shuffle and take each pile, mash shuffle it, and introduce a new pile one at a time into the mash. I make sure to hold the bottom of the deck toward my hand as to not look at the cards and watch the back closely in the off chance that I drop one or flip one upside down by mistake.
I mash shuffle but I grab from the bottom first then the top then the bottom and so on so on about 5 to 6 times. I'm very picky about shuffling and I have to know that it's being randomized
I haven't played the physical Pokemon TCG in years and haven't played Yu-Gi-Oh as often as I would've liked, but I don't use riffle shuffling on trading cards because I'm paranoid of damaging the cards themselves too quickly.
When you mash shuffle you can have your deck face the other way so you don’t see any of the cards. It is possible to mash and not see anything.
Anyone else start singing Smash Mouth at 5:27? Or just me?
Oh my God, the riffle shuffle. That's something I cannot do to my collectible cards. But for playing cards that are like $3 a pack and more flexible, I am ok with that.
Shuffling cards is a very rare time where imperfection is perfection. I feel like a freaking poet
This was something I never considered thx so much for the info andrew!
as a beginner I mash shuffle just because I'm the worst at doing any other kind of shuffle. I always try to mash shuffle with the card horizontally. Wish I was able to do a better shuffle LoL..
that riffle shuffle was so painful to watch
I riffle shuffled my pokemon cards like playing cards and my opponent looked at me weird. (I dont have sleeves)
ps. I regret doing this
this makes me cry dat Turanator is so beautiful and to see it in pain it just breaks meh heart
I mash shuffle but i dont push the cards down (putting them 1 by 1) i "open" the bottom pile and let the top pile fall into the bottom pile, moving my hand from top to bottom. This has more randomness than pushing them, and does not damage them. I agree that you can cheat by looking at your deck.
_Why Riffle Shuffle when I can Riffle Stack_
Also, that's a Shotgun Shuffle, it fucks up your cards, and unlike Yugioh and Magic, knowing what your cards are through the sleeves (From the bends) can in fact give you information that you shouldn't have, and influence your plays and (what should be) random decisions
When ur so competitive that u realized it was a valcanion EX deck
In casino we spread cards all over the table and mess them all up for 30 seconds per deck that we shuffle. collect them in then riffle shuffle twice, then strip thr cards take quater like a 6th of the deck from top and put it down then 6th from bottom then 6th from top then 6th from bottom etc. Then riffle twice again.
Good video, took two minutes before I saw any shuffling. But I like watching your videos. You always sound like you know what you’re talking about
what is the best way to riffle shuffle without destroying your cards
Mash
Simple: You can't
You have to bend the cards as little as possible. Try to get cards to overlap only a few mm (like 1/10 of an inch) after the riffle and you really don't need to bend the cards as much. Also, don't rifle with the long side but the short side which also requires less bending. Yeah, it's a bit harder that way but it will cause much less damage to your cards and once you learn it well, it's the fastest way to shuffle the cards.
L5R used to handle the "double nickeling" problem by letting your opponent have the final shuffle. If a savvy player spotted their opponent doing this, they could just pile shuffle with a particular number of piles to undo the weaving, thereby forcing their opponent to play with a deck that was the equivalent of all the energy on the top (or bottom).
Another legit video as usual, best competitive Pokémon channel on UA-cam by far. Thanks for this.
I’d love to see a intro to strategy type video..stuff you wanna do to set up and how to look into the future turns...stuff like that.
and all of a sudden it makes sense why there are so many lightly played to moderately played meta cards on the market...
Thank you Mahone for the amazing Christmas gift! At last I can stop being a turtle while shuffling
Hey Andrew, whats your opinion on hindu shuffling? Do you feel its a shady way to shuffle? Do you feel its an effective way to randomize your deck? Im curious what your take is on it
yay a shuffling video! thanks for the tips Andrew! PS nice job at Memphis!
I hope Professor K is watching this because he is the Worst Shuffler in the World.. no, that's a lie.. in the universe ...and the upside down from Stranger Things... and wherever Giratina lives
Nicholas Charon Hype! Haha that's it lolz
You've never seen me shuffle
I like this shuffling method but don't you need to use different shuffling methods along with this one? If you only riffle shuffle it seems like the top cards stay on the top of the deck and never find their way to the bottom.
I remembered a segment on sleeves
I don't do riffles anymore, only with proxies, it's stupid, just forget about it. If for some reason my opponent proceeds to riffle shuffle my deck, i'm calling the judge.
Riffle shuffling is fine at tournaments but I have had opponents take the bending too far because they realized they would lose. Thus far spiteful players have destroyed over $1000 of my cards with zero recourse. Also I have once had a card spitefully bent only for that player to inform his friend about the bent card having me be disqualified in the finals at my LGS for having a "Marked Card". If you play in a competitive setting where there is risk of a spiteful opponent a method of recourse for damage to a card. I have had full folds of my cards by an opponent only to say it was an accident. Not only destroying often times a $35 card but also making my deck no longer tournament legal.
I don’t think any other card game riffle shuffles, I know that deep down inside you think it helps but it really doesn’t. Tell your opponent to lightly shuffle the cards while they look away and you tell them when to stop if makes you feel any better. Tournaments should ban riffle shuffle if your opponent tells you not; exception if they agree upon asking or it’s there own deck.
I know that riffle shuffling is effective but I am not going to destroy my gx and gold cards.
Anyway interesting video,I liked it
i do a 8 pile shuffle, then pile shuffle each stack until theres only 4 piles. then riffle shuffle 2 piles together, then fiffle the final 2 piles together and finish off with a couple mash shuffles before i offer a cut... lol
If you are a collector don't riffle shuffle.
Which sleeves do you use in this video? Very smooth inserting one pile of cards into another
If you ever consider redoing this video; you could better demonstrate the effectiveness of the different shuffling with half red sleeves and half blue sleeves.
If someone bend my cards, I will do direct attack physically.
I just can’t bring myself to riffle shuffling, I care to much about the quality of my cards
vyzual ikr they're like my babys
Than dont go to tournements
@@goatman0123 Competitive decks cost $150-200 so the average person would absolutely care about preserving their deck. It would be totally unfair to only let rich people play
@@aubreywalters4279 play magic.. 1 land card costs 200
Riffle is pretty hard when you have a fat deck thats double sleeved.
there is a lot of different kinds of shuffles out there. i been doing the same shuffle style for almost 8 years now and have no problem with any tournament organizer or any judge with how i shuffle.
As a collector and a player I NEVER bridge my deck. With that being said what are the rules on bridging your opponent's deck? If a player asked please don't bridge my deck and they do what's the ruling? You wanna mash shuffle go for it as long as they're not trying to destroy them.
I'm a honest player and turn my head with my deck at a heavy slant away from my face. Getting a good mix of random card's is my goal when I shuffle.
More power to the honest player's shuffle and shame to the cheaters that have made shuffling a hard topic.
Thanks for a good video!!!!!
As a general courtesy, I've never riffled my opponent's deck in a tournament. I mindlessly did it one time on accident, and I instantly realized what I had done and apologized to the player across me. He wasn't upset because he recognized it wasn't a malicious attempt to damage his cards, but I've definitely seen players flip out when they riffle someone else's deck. To add, I also flinch slightly when another player riffles my cards, even though I aggressively riffle my own, because I feel the same courtesy I extend should be extended by everyone.
Also, thank you for turning your head when shuffling your opponent's deck. I find it extremely frustrating when people look straight down when shuffling when a big chunk of stacking/cheating is avoided by simply looking over your shoulder for a few seconds.
If you ask someone not to riffle your deck, they shouldn't do it. It's disrespecting you and your property. I don't think it's enforceable, but it's certainly a bad thing to do.
Great video. Painful to watch, but still a great video. Thank you for all the videos you do.
I’ve often wondered, like especially for the big tournament settings like worlds, why isn’t there a 3rd party shuffler?
Not to necro an old video but did anyone notice how often that fire energy card is on the bottom?
What sleeves are you using? Looking to buy some.
If my opponent takes my deck and do this... there is gonna be a huge problem bruh.
Thank you so much dude! As someone looking to get into the pokemon TCG scene coming into the new year, this video is invaluable. I need to practice my shuffling a bit, but this helped me a ton in just shuffle know-how.
Wouldn't a safe and effective way to shuffle is to let your opponent cut the deck two times then you lay all the cards onto the table and "wash" them. Then when it's all done, your opponent cuts it one more time(three total) and begin. By washing(this is a casino card game term) I mean you start moving all the cards that's laid on the table and mix them around for 10 seconds. The idea of letting your opponent cut your deck three times is so that you won't know where the cards are going since your opponents will cut it at random.
If for whatever reasons you don't want your opponent to cut your card because you don't want them touching it, have the ref/announcer do it.
This has been a great video! Still trying to get the riffle shuffeling down tho ... I tried the bridge, but I'm still not sure how that works ...
''Someeee'' sounded like Ian singing *''SOmE BODY oNcE TOld Me THe WORLd wAs GOnNa RoMy''*
the amount of mtg references and slip-ups leads me to believe you were into magic before pokemon
I use to pile shuffle out of boredom and something to do with my hands more than anything.
I'm 6 years late but where did you buy that mat with the 3 starters playing gameboy?
My only question is have you had to replace any of your cards due to the damage from riffing if so how long did they last?
i have never had to replace a card from riffling - they always work fine in a sleeve
Derium's Competitive Pokemon I'm only worried about the cards becoming "marked" and getting called out on it
@@ieatbreakdowns they are not marked if all 60 cards have the same exact damage.
Hey Andrew,
How would you prevent cards from being bent to the point of being “marked” while riffling?
If you bridge that will flatten them out. You can also riffle a lot more gentle than Andrew and the damage would be minimal. I've been using cards that have been riffled for years and years with no marked issues, especially if all your cards look like that to some extent they aren't marked.
If all cards look the same from the same damage, they are not marked.
I played an opponent who’s deck appeared “consistently” bent due to riffle, but I did wonder, If one card was intentionally more or less bent than the others, would I notice?
Dude if you're gonna bend your cards that much could you at least not use those expensive basic energies from HGSS or that secret rare energy retrieval
One complaint here. You call out Mash shuffling on the basis that a nefarious player could relatively easily look at their cards (especially the bottom card). From my poker experience, with riffle a nefarious player could pretty easily see the bottom two cards. Cheaters gonna cheat.