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Why Jimmy Page HATES Living Loving Maid and Other Led Zeppelin Songs
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2023
- Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones, John Bonham and Robert Plant made up one of the greatest bands of all time - Led Zeppelin. Despite their incredible rock and metal back catalogue, with songs like Whole Lotta Love, Stairway to Heaven and Black Dog, guitarist Jimmy Page had some issue with a few of their tracks even though he supplied their biggest riffs!
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Do you agree with Jimmy Page? Are they really Led Zep's worst songs?
YES! ''All of My Love'' is shit!
No. Moby Dick & The Lemon Song were.
I can't stand "Trampled under foot". It's like bad circus music. Boing boing boing boing.
I am not a huge fan of "All of My Love," but it's tolerable. I don't agree with Page about "Living, Loving Maid." It's a pretty good song, but that being said, it's not an equal to "Heartbreaker," and I could never understand why AOR stations would attach "Living Loving Maid" to "Heartbreaker" and play the two songs back to back. My least favorite Zep songs are "Hats Off to Roy Harper" and "Trampled Underfoot."
I totally desagree! Both songs are great, and i daresay that they are among the best Led Zeppelin songs in their entire collection!
All of My Love is an absolute masterpiece. The culmination of the transition through years of work. Jimmy may be miffed that there no solo break for him but the insane layering and orchestral work leaves no equals in the Rock genre. Everyone listen, with headphones, to how really good that song is. Timeless.
I like that song too.
Although "All of my Love" has never been one of my favorite LZ songs, I know that it was therapeutic for Robert to sing it. So it's fine with me. He gave the world so much great music that he was entitled to do a song just for his own benefit. When a person suddenly loses a child to death, you cut him some slack.
The thing is Page was in the throes of heroin addiction at this time and Jones had to step up and take the helm basically. I’m sorry Jimmy didn’t like the album, but it’s his own fault that he wasn’t able to take the lead like he always had before. I like the album because I love Jones’ contributions and this album is a showcase of his talent as an arranger and writer in his own right with,or in this case, without Page. Bonham who had serious health problems of his own, was great as always, although at the end the alcoholism was affecting his playing.
I was going to try and summarize a similar response before I read yours. I agree, and it's nice to see the talents of Jones shine through.
Yeah 1980 wasn't the best for Zeppelin live. I mean if you listen to them in the Copenhagen and Knebworth shows in 79, they were much more enthusiastic, particularly Bonham. He still had the adrenaline from 77 and Page wasn't too bad either.
The final album was good, but not great. Jimmy was really fucked up. Heroin is bad, real bad. Glad he is well now.
@@mreppen1 Bonham considered joining Wings in 1978. Might've been a good move for him. Listen to "Beware My Love" with Paul on vocals and Bonzo on drums. Awesome song! The drumbeat is very similar to Achilles Last Stand.
You described that perfectly, about both Page's & Bonham's addictions. Although the songs that Jones' writing style was a bit different than Page's was, Out Door was as good as any of it's predicessors considering with the disco, Regae & Heavy Metal coming into focus at the time, Out Door was great. Led wouldn't have made it big in the'80's...
My favorite on "In through the out door" is "Fool in the Rain". Jimmy has a killer lead on the fuzz bass in that song, and the syncopated beat that Bonham lays down on the track is among the best in the catalog.
He plays a blue MXR Octave box on that one, on guitar, with the box set for an octave lower. A friend of mine used to play it with that box, sounded great!
I can kind of get with Page on his dislike for “ All of my Love “ but not liking “ Living Loving Maid “ is a head scratcher. Oh well, most of us aren’t super, talented musicians like Jimmy. And as they say, Artists are their own worst critics. They are perfectionists and that’s what makes their music incredible.
Page never said he didnt like All of my Love
@@rleriche5044he did. I literally saw a video interview where he said that
The entire band didn't like living love maid because it was pain in the ass to record, but idk why it would be...its pretty straightforward rock song....used to play it spontaneously a few times in a few bands I was in.
The first Led Zepp album is the best one.
always thought so. II is also a giant. they both have so much quality blues playing, despite issues w/ Willie Dixon over legal songwriting credits .
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The 1st one is possibly my least favourite. My
Favourite is 'The Song Remains the Same' I thought they shone best live.
For what it's worth, I like Livin' Lovin' Maid. It's a quick, fun throw-away song - with a killer riff.
Page hates In Through The Out Door because he was a full blown heroine addict at the time. That is why John Paul Jones had to take over control.
Love that album!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really dislike "All of my love" too, but, there's an extended version w/ a Page solo that has as much emotion as any solo he's played. "In the Evening" is a BANGER and so is "I'm gonna crawl" which could be Plant's finest vocals on record. Those 2 tunes are "ZEPPELIN"... You can keep the rest of that album.
Im Gonna Crawl has always been one of my favorites. Great farewell song.
For me it brings back an era--summer 1979, I believe--and the song reminds me of that time and the people that I knew then...so regardless what Page thinks, for me, it is a classic.
Maid was a great song with a memorable guitar solo, so who cares what Jimmy likes or dislikes about it? There are a hundred reasons why he might dislike it, none of them to do with what I like.
I remember Plant stating Jimmy hated LL Maid back in the day. Something about that groupie, didn't quit sit well with Page.
Whatever, the Heartbreaker/LL Maid combo, remains a mainstay till this day, at least here in the states.
Living Lovin’ Maid is a stellar song. It was the first song I learned on guitar.
Page and Bonham lost their influence on' In Through the Out Door' because they were too far gone into drugs and drink and weren't putting in any effort or turning up for the sessions. Re 'Livin Lovin Maid', Page did actually say he didn't like it because it was 'too sarcastic' and his girlfriend of the time did not like the phrase 'She's just a woman'. That and 'All My Love' aren't LZ's worst songs. They are just not to Page's taste.
IMO Led Zep created five truly great albums (the first five), one mostly great album (Physical Graffiti) and two very good albums at the end. They never sold out and played with integrity from start to finish.
The five great albums were the first four and Graffiti, two worst songs they ever released were D'Yer Maker and Livin Lovin Maid.
Physical Graffiti is the pinnacle of Led Zeppelin, the first two albums showed all the talent that the different members had, but most of the songs were hot garbage, seriously is anyone waking up in the morning and just dying to hear How Many More Times or Heartbreaker?
@@tw5139 They are too loud first thing in the morning at my age, but I will return to those tracks more than, say, Down By the seaside or Boogie With Stu.
Physical was their finest work, all their styles, a preview of where they were going, the next 3, all great masterpieces, never showed the growth that Physical did.
I consider Physical the greatest rock album of all time
@@tw5139 Probably.
Bottom line is the gizmotron used at the start of in the evening is pure genius. I play lots of songs I’m burned out on because I hope the dive bar alcoholics like them. Lol I wish I had Pages problem. God love him.
I’ve always liked Living, Loving maid. Great tasteful solo in it
It’s like when John Lennon was hosting a radio program in California 1974, and people were calling in with requests, one nice caller requested, it’s only love off the rubber soul record , and John replied,yes you want me to play the one song I really dislike, I guess I’ll have to suffer through it!
I once read that Living loving Maid is somehow the only song the record label was able to sort of demand they write.. or something like that - the label wanted a "pop" song, of course... and that's why Jimmy hates it and refused to ever play it live..... (btw... I witnessed Robert Plant play it at one of his early solo concerts in Houston ).
Maybe thats why they said it was a pain in the ass to record.... Richard Cole said in his book Stairway to Heaven , that none of the band members particularly liked it and that it was difficult for them to record cuz they had to write & record it on the spot...an they were already stressed enough trying to finish II & tour america at the sametime
...thank you.
Heroin is a helluva drug Indeed !! All my love is a tribute to Robert's son and I enjoyed it...I would never tell plant that the song is rubbish !! Touching song indeed.
Living Loving Maid was the song that got me into this band back in the day. I was hooked the first time I heard it.
Of course you were
Pagey had entered a weird experimental phase in his guitar playing style and tone. Watch the two Knebworth shows to see what I mean. Continued on with his solo LP and project with Paul Rodgers. Kinda started with Presence, and continued here. Love it or leave it, give him credit for always tinkering and exploring new ground musically. And I like ITTOD because it is such a departure from the previous records.
What about _In the Evening_? Most all Led Zeppelin Albums begin with a super hard rocker. _In the Evening_ features not only Jimmy at his best Eastern-oriented soloing followed by his best hard-rock riffing, but this is one of Led Zeppelin's best songs. Let us, (Jimmy) not omit this number in evaluating _In Through the Out Door_. It is also of note that Led Zeppelin's live stuff steadily improved through the course of their career culminating in Knebworth (featuring _In the Evening_) which was the best of their live performances.
Page and Bonham weren’t there because of substance abuse issues. Page was enduring heroin addiction and Bonham alcohol abuse. Bonham obviously played his ass off when available and Page practically non existent leaving JPJ and Plant to develop material on their own. Of course he hates it. I don’t necessarily agree with the previous comment about this album vs Presence (Achilles Last Stand is epic) but I understand where commentator is coming from.
It’s interesting to note that Presence had none of the usual instrumentation that JPJ brought to the table outside of his bass playing. It was an extremely heavy guitar album with Page front and center though the whole album. In Through the Out Door was the opposite with Jimmy kind of taking a backseat and Jones front and center for most of the album. I think it’s a good album and it also adds to the range of musical styles that Zeppelin was capable of.
....Ohhh..."substance abuse" ...is it?..How do YOU know it was substance abuse? ... What are you ?..The probation officer? ..Sheeze!
@@Bronco-1776 Have you read any histories of the band? Why are you taking this comment so personally?
I was in high school when In Through the Out Door (I don't like typing ITTOD...) was released. I liked every track.
The Crunge on HOTH (Houses of the Holy 😏) seemed like a "bridge" to Side Two.
"Boys, we need one more song on Side One to get to Dancing Days..."
I hope I'm not the only person in the world who likes 'Carouselambra'. Also, 'Hot Dog' is a decent crossover into the C&W genre, much like the Rolling Stones did with 'Dead Flowers'.
I do agree with you, as , a lot of Zeppelin Fanatics, didn't realize that music was changing by 1980. Those old Blues-based rock songs were going under. Clapton was playing easy-going stuff. Beck was playing with Rod Stewart. Sure, both Bonham & Page had little left to Them at time, however, Jones had pretty much taken control of the rhythm & with Plant, started playing a new style of Zeppelin that would have fit better into the '80's than their blues-based seventies ones would have. Still think They could have carried on with Carl Palmer, or Cozy Powell, but that was up to Them. Still think Plant was tired of being in the band after Physical....
I love both Carouselambra and Hot Dog! There are some other songs on the ITTOD album, however, that I don't care for.
Carouselambra is my third favorite Zeppelin song
"Kashmir" is amazing! I like "Achilles" as well, but it's very long and a demanding listen, so sometimes I will choose a similar but shorter song, like "In the Evening," instead.
"That's the Way" is one of my favorite Zeppelin songs! There is great footage on UA-cam of them doing this song during their acoustic set in 1975 at Earls Court
I like All of My Love. Don't love it, but I like it. Livin Lovin Maid is OK, again, not their best.
Some of the stuff off of In Through the Out Door is pretty good although I agree that pretty much every album before it is better. Still, not going to deny JPJ his chance to put together an album, especially if Page was too strung out to do it.
Presence, to me, is odd. Achilles Last Stand, For Your Life, Tea for One and Nobodies Fault But Mine are great songs. The other three IMHO not so much, but that still makes 3/4 of the album really, really good.
My favorite LZ sing is probably Since I've Been Loving You, although I like so many it's hard to say. Kiss was my Favorite band at 12 (hey, I was 12). Aerosmith at 13 (still like Aerosmith a whole lot). LZ at 14. I'm turning 60 soon and LZ is still at the top of the list. No other band comes close.
I love zep but prefer pink floyd. Genius writing and love Gilmore's guitar.
@@wordup897 About the only thing the two biggest bands of the 70's had in common was selling a whole lot of records I think!
@@noyfb4769 Yeah, they were very different but loved them both. Still do. 80s and 90s had a ton of great stuff too. Now the kids where T-shirts from those decades because today's music is mostly disposable.
I liked All of My Love. I honestly skipped LLM on the second album. Off topic, I do know that JPJ's least favorite LZ song is Down By The Seaside. I heard him say it on a live radio show in the late 90's.
I read an interview with JPJ and he said D'yer M'aker was one of his least favorite songs. If I remember correctly, he said it was a song that should never had been on the album.
I knew that the band weren't very fond of Living Lovin Maid, and that Jimmy took a bit of a step back creatively from In Through the Out Door, but didn't know he particularly didn't like All My Love. From what I've heard, Page is particularly fond of Babe I'm Gonna Leave you as a sort of seminal moment in the genesis of his project vision, along with Whole Lotta Love and Stairway as the big hits further down the line. I think it's well known that Robert is kind of sick of Stairway! But really digs Kashmir and Rain Song. JPJ has remarked on What Is and What Should Never Be as one of his favourites. Don't know about Bonzo.
IMO I think a lot of In Through the Out Door is a bit disastrous yeah, and despite being a stupidly diehard Zeppelin fan, there are probably two dozen songs i'd put in an 'unremarkable' category, including (beyond ITTOD) Friends, Hats off the Roy Harper, Tangerine, Your Time is Gonna Come, For Your Life, etc...
Hats off to Harper is fucking great!! But I love acoustic blues so 🤷🏽♂️. It’s a very interesting song though, there’s nothing else like it . The psychedelic effect on robert plants voice and the ferocity of Jimmy’s guitar makes that song so unique .
My personal favorite is 100% the live performance of Dazed and Confused at MSG in 1973. It's the most intense song they have imo in terms of what it makes you feel. I absolutely fell in love when I heard it and I know its 29 minutes long but the whole song is a rollercoaster. How it's like the original but its oddly beautifully better and then how it takes a slow, emotion filled and hypnotic turn after the guitar solo and then goes to a haunting solo with the bow but its different. I listened to it while tripping on shrooms a few weeks ago and it made me feel like I was talking to gods with Plant singing and then it made me feel like I died and then started ascending into heaven but when I got there, I wasnt in heaven, I was somewhere dark and menacing and I felt like the part on the Black Swan where she turns into a literal black swan while dancing and it was just an amazing but haunting experience. I truly felt hypnotized the whole time, like I was in a trance. It really made me believe in the "they sold their souls" bc of how it made me feel. I'll listen to it often and not feel the same as I did on shrooms but I feel like their music on psychedelics really is something different. A lot of people told me not to listen to them while tripping for some reason too and idk why.
@@wxstednxghts yeah absolutely agree it might be the most immense piece of music ever recorded, every part of it is goosebumps and I swear it invents several genres along the way, the end of the bow solo is totally proto post rock and there’s that black metal type riff towards the end at some point
@@mackmitchell94 Fair play, maybe i need to listen to it again. I think Poor Tom should've made it onto III too, i like that one.
@@ollie5399 agreeed, it's truly something else and something so emotion filled, I cant even explain it. Definitely my favorite song/performance by them. I just call it a song since they have it as one on their youtube
the lyrics to lving loving maid have me clutching my pearls and fainting just like you
In Through The Out Door is my favorite Zeppelin album . In The Evening is the best Zeppelin song ever .
ITTOD sucks!
It was the album which first made me a Zeppelin fan! 41 years later!!!
Its like argueing "The colour Blue is better than Green'..Whatever song you think is best , you are Correct! (And so is everyone else)
First i had the 45 single of whole lotta love with livin lovin maid on the b-side. The radio (AM) just played whole lotta love. Then i got the whole 2nd album with livin lovin maid being the second song on the b-side after heartbreaker. Then the radio (FM) started playing the album version with heartbreaker/livin lovin maid back to back together.
So anyway I was already a fan of livin lovin maid before I ever heard heartbreaker. Lol. Seems funny to me now looking back after 45+ years of hearing these songs.
Also looking back, this kinda marks the time frame when music listeners went from 45 singles and AM radio, to full length albums and FM radio.
First off, the dislike of one woman, wether she earns that dislike or not is not misogyny. Nor does an over active sexual appetite towards women make men sexists.
The male sexual drive is necessary in order to maintain a fruitful species. It is not an increasing problem. There is a problem with it decreasing, however, as testosterone levels have been dropping the last in the last two decades.
Ever met a groupie? They're usually in front of a mirror with others talking about whom they recently did. Because thats their main goal in life. Hooking up with rockstars and following them around like lost puppies. Has anyone ever wrote a song praising groupies in contrast to songs depicting what a rectal itch they are?
Agree with your points. I do like the song that Plant wrote about groupies though….Sick Again. He didn’t disdain them, but by that time he knew what a tawdry scene it all was, and how those young girls were harming themselves. Back in the day (I was 21 when Zeppelin released Zep I) being a groupie was really Romanticized…..”doing it” with those rock gods….how cool. But, as we quickly discovered, it was a pretty dark scene.
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 I used to work in a nightclub years ago. My gf had a friend she went to school with. This chick openly admitted her goal in life was to marry a rockstar.
One night, before WASP made it big, they played at our club. Naturally it was a sell out, and naturally she was there and made thee biggest scene during the show. She jumped up on stage and started hanging on to Blackie and wouldn't let go. He couldn't play, couldn't sing cuz this a**hole b*tch was hanging all over her. Security was already busy with other people, so Blackie having enough finally pushed her off the stage and she took off crying. I cant remember the name of the band ( I think it was Dokken) but it wasn't even a week later she tried the same thing on him. She got booted out of the club permanently.
Then, a few years went by and my new gf was a manicurist. One of her clients stiffed her for a hundred bux. It wasnt no big deal, but she said the girl recognized the picture of me on her desk. I was real curious who I was. Guess who? Lol
Now, she wasn't a bad looking girl, but she was still a girl. And she was "big boned" to put it nicely. So I hope she got her act together. Being fat and living in a fantasy world is not attractive one bit.
In through the Out Door is better than Presence IMO.
Bullshit... IMO
Achilles last stand alone is better than ITTOD
@@eye5856 Amen Brother 🙌
@@eye5856 most definitely
Man presence is one of my favorite albums. Achilles last stand and nobody’s fault but mine some of their best work.
Page's discussion with Bonham about a recording harder rock album occurred after In The Out Door was released. (not Presence)
Growing up with Zeppelin you end up respecting every masterpiece they wrote and produced. Some have said No Quarter was their worst, which is one of my favs. The fact is, Led Zeppelin never released a bad album or song. If they did, they would probably call is something like Quadrophenia or Tommy. Just mt guess
If I remember correctly, JPJ and Plant recorded their parts and Page and Bonham recorded their parts together. They were never in the studio with each other on this album.
Led Zeppelin II is simply perfect. From start to finish. Living loving Maid is misogynistic, of course!. Heartbreaker is also misogynistic, but, on the contrary, the girl is the bad on that song. All My Love was one of the first Led Zeppelin songs I heard (when it firs appeared), so I have good memories.
I saw an interview with Jimmy . He wrote the lyrics for living loving made and says in hindsight he wasn’t very confident about writing lyrics and is bit embarrassed about them now . I think he was being honest about it so that’s actually a good thing . I wasn’t a big fan of In through the outdoor . Too much synth for my liking .
I'd heard that he didn't care for Livin Lovin Maid. Myself, I rather like the song and it would be one of my reasons for buying an electric 12 string.
Hardly. I would say they are two of their best. All My Love is just such sublime beauty. The keys are so romantic as are the heartbreaking lyrics and listen to that guitar solo! LLM has one of the most catchy riffs ever in rock history and its unique coz Page wrote the lyrics.
Oh yes, I fully agree with Jimmy! This is also the one Zeppelin album I can't stand either. I really think Jimmy and Bonzo had a great idea for that hard rockin' album. It sounds like it would have been what they needed to bounce back and recover from In Through The Outdoor.
They needed to wake up and step up.
My favorite band and guitarist since 72, but they were useless during ITTOD
I have to agree with Jimmy. ITTOD is "a little soft". However, "In The Evening" is a fantastic rock track with a driving hook and thunderous Bonham beat. Too bad the rest of the album isn't as rowdy.
ITTOD is a possible taste what what 80s Zeppelin could've sounded like. We'll never know.
Hot Dog sucks. I mean really sucks. Why they didn't fill that part of the vinyl with something else is a puzzle.
When you think that tracks like Wearring and Tearing, Ozone Baby and Darlene were recorded at the same sessions. Ok the last 2 are also a bit ropey they are better than Hot Dog though.
@@bryemycaz Wearing and Tearing isn't too bad. The other two are easily better than Hot Dog. I don't know how high you have to be to think Hot Dog kicks any kind of ass. Like maybe it was the end of the day and someone said I don't care at this point.
Heartbreaker and Living are a package deal. Both must be played and in that order.
I prefer Heartbreaker as a stand-alone and wish more radio stations would treat it as such
If Jimmy wasn't so strung out during ITTOD, the bang wouldn't have had to lean on JPJ so much. JPJ was the musical glue of Zepp.
It's obvious "In Through The Out Door" is thrown together filler. Living Loving Maid is very "poppy" for them. Great riff though. As for the lyrics -- well...Zeppelin were never known for great lyrics.
I don't know about "worst" as their catalogue is superb through and through. However, among my least played would be songs like Hats off To Roy Harper, Carouselambra, Ozone Baby and Walter's Walk (the last two of which were clearly under developed outtakes).
Carouselambra should've been edited down to two or three songs. Its seemed mashed up and undercooked a little. And the two songs left off the album in its place were far better numbers (Darlene and Wearing & Tearing).
Worst LZ (my opinion) from the 9 studio albums only.
The Crunge
White Summer/Black Mt.Side
Hats off to Roy Harper
Southbound Suarez
Friends
That’s the Way
Candy Store Rock
The Battle of Evermore
Wearing and Tearing
D’yer M’ker
Most Underrated LZ songs
1. In the Light
2. Baby Come on Home
3. Out on the Tiles
4. Down by the Seaside
5. Night Flight
6. Tea For One
7. Celebration Day
8. How many more times
9. You Shook Me
10. The Rover
I actually think All Of My Love is a beautiful song, & a beautiful tribute to the sob Plant loves & lost. The songs I don’t like are Hats Off To Roy Harper, & Candy Store, two songs that shouldn’t be on the albums. Someone in the comments said they didn’t think Led Zeppelin would have survived the 80’s, WRONG! Considering how they to this day are still accumulating new Led heads, yes they would have, & their loyal fans too. I’m sure all the other bands, were glad they weren’t up against Zeppelin anymore, other then the reason why they weren’t.
These days, I like " In through the Outdoor "- I don't think of it as being a Zep album -but thats not important - what is important is, its a good album. I think of it as being a Plant and Jones album - I even like Hot Dog. Comments please.
Well, the bottom of the bottom line is that Jimmy was sitting at home battling heroin addiction for most of ITTOD. The main songwriter, producer, lead guitarist and overall visionary was mainly on the shelf for most of this, and somewhat incapacitated when there. Bonzo does his killer drummer thing and Percy does his lyrical / assistant songwriter thing, but with Pagey (mainly) out Jonesy has to fill in the yawning gap (with the newly arrived Yamaha GX-1). Page tries to use more the "guitar army" theory he envisioned years earlier and had broken ground on in different songs over the last two albums.
Hey man. I honestly don't think they had a bad song in the eyes and ears of this fan.
Some people will probably hate me for this, but the LZ tune that I really dislike is "D'yer Maker".
They shouldn't. It's all just a matter of personal taste and preferences. Every song isn't every person's cup of tea. For instance I am a die hard Beatles fan, but I detest Eleanor Rigby. Almost everyone else loves it. To me it's a depressing funeral dirge. Just my opinion and others are welcome to their own-not a problem for me.
@Jeff They're not going to because what you say is a fact.
Living Loving Maid is 100% truth....a way of life. A great song combo with Heartbreaker.
All of my love in the equivalent of Jump by Van Halen. When both songs first came out...the older fans were like "what the actual fuck?" But the masses loved them both. And at the end of the day....ticket and album sales trump everything.
I like both songs.
Hotdog was and still my favorite track of that album
I never liked anything on In Through the Out Door. I’m with Page on that one.
All they had to do is say, “Living, loving, she’s just a groupie….” Obviously they could never do that. So we’ll disparage all women but they’ll hopefully know we are talking about a couple groupies.
Well….except some lyrics take it out of the realm of “just groupies”…. Like “alimony, alimony, paying her bills”.
@@w.geoffreyspaulding6588 She could've been a die-vorced groupie. There's no law.
Howdy.
When Page and Bonham open fire at about half way in Dazed and Confused the Universe bends ...
Regards.
While I do share Jimmy's view that a harder-rocking Zeppelin was the band's best form and would have liked to see that vision made into reality as a follow-up album, by all accounts he just wasn't in the right shape to lead this album. John Paul Jones and Robert Plant had to take charge. In Through the Out Door is probably my least favorite of the proper studio albums, but it still has some good material. All My Love isn't to my taste, but the context of the song elevates it. Fool In the Rain and In the Evening were standout tracks for me. Carouselambra is weird, but a good kind of weird. It really grew on me after a few passes.
The other song that Page didn't like must be South Bound Saurez.
I totally agree with Page on hating ITTOD album & LLM. I'd add Hats Off To Harper, The Crunge, Dyer Maker & Royal Orleans
Love Zepp...The Crunge and D'yer M'aker me run for the hills..Could never do those 2.
In through the out Door turned out the way it did Because Page and Bonham were too messed up to contribute . Both were badly addicted to Heroin and wouldn't show up to the studio for hours after the other 2 so Plant and Jones decided that rather than wait they would just get to work and write some music.
Page Really liked In The Evening and Carouselambra and has said the slower breakdown/ interlude sections of those songs were the direction he wanted to go in with heavy but slower moody dirge type passages
Couldn't agree more about In Through The Out Door - a heap of crap compared with most of their previous albums. Thought so at the time and still do. Brown paper bag cover tells us something... Presence on the whole wasn't much better although a couple of tracks are worth a listen. Taught me that just because a band used to be great doesn't mean they always will be and not to buy records just because. Also agree with Living Loving Maid - relatively boring compared with the rest
Who's greater in your eyes?
@@BubbaZen10 How do you mean? Jimmy's one of the greats as shown by LZ's first 6 albums
Funny how band members can have such a different view of a record than fans. I listen to In Through the Out Door a lot more than, say, Zoso. Side two is masterful. Zep II and IV for me ran out of gas long ago as they were so horribly overplayed. And then there's The Crunge...Cringe lol. All imo of course. PG, Presence and ITtOD showed massive growth. It's sad we never got the next step in that growth but Plant's first solo album is brilliant so there's that.
Rock radio stations lumped Heartbreaker and LLM from the very beginning. And thats how the masses choose to hear these songs because of what a handful of sleazy radio deejays did back in the 70s.
I can not criticize the band or the musicians in it, I can say that I like all the songs they wrote, some more than others though.
I love carouselambra, in the evening and everything else except hot dog.
I didn't think Hot Dog was bad, I thought it was pretty funny, actually. I thought they did it for a gag. I didn't take it seriously.
The other non-Page Zep song is Southbound Suarez from the same album. I'm a big fan of In Through the Out Door, but that's no diss on Jimmy Page. His contributions might be restrained, but they're tasteful. Livin' Lovin' Maid has "single" written all over it - it could've jostled with Black Night and All Right Now for the #1 spot. All My Love is so beautiful that it's beyond criticism - including Page's delicate parts. Worst Zeppelin song for me is Boogie with Stu, an outtake so vague that only Stu's piano has any focus to it at all.
I saw Fred Zepplin in 1970 at the Spectrum in Philly and I believe they played Living Loving and Bring it on home
They did not play Black Mountain Side .
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Fred Zeffrin ?
By 1979 Led Zeppelin's sound had drastically changed when comparing it to their heavy blues rock first two albuns. "Physical Graffitti", "Presence" and "In Through The Out Door" weren't my favorite Led Zeppelin albums.
LZ would be nothing without any of them.
No Quarter?
I love Living Loving Maid!
Hats off to Roy(Harper) and Boogie With Stu, would be my bottom 2. Thanks to classic rock radio thinking it's Stairway, Dyer Maker would be #3.
Fool in the Rain?
Probably the only reason most people bought that album!
I agree with Page regarding All My Love, but not Living Loving Maid. LLM is a pretty cool song. Page said he didn't like it because it "was the closest we came to a pop single." I'll add a few more Zeppelin songs that I can't stand: Thank You, Hats Off to (Roy) Harper, Hot Dog, and Kashmir. I can't stand it them. Kashmir is overrated. Not sure why, but it reminds me of Paul McCartney's Live and Let Die.
Sad that the wildly talented Jimmy Page chose to wear his worst t-shirt in the 1993 clip. Hope/hoping that he has found/will find his way back.
In through the outdoor was awesome .
Actually if LL Maid was due to misogyny, I would have thought Hats of to Roy Harper, which is quite a wierd number, would have been a consideration due to Roys' penchant for young (way too young) girls.
I don't see All of My Love as song there could be a wave to. This is obviously a heart tearing emotional song from a devastated father. I don't think anyone would be so dorky as to do a wave listening to the song.
But, at the same time Page really has little room to talk in regards to this song and the album in through the out door. As much as I admire Page and think he is the total in cool he really was AWOL during those times. He did not show for the funeral of Plant's son or even bothered to visit the family during this time of great pain that one of their own was going through. And Page was also AWOL during the planning and writing and recording of In through the out... Actually both Page and Bonham were not around and it was left to Jones and Plant to do the lifting.
In both cases Page was just too strung out on H to really be of much use. And Bonham was in full case of alcoholism as would be seen a short while latter with his death.
I wonder if Page's dislike of the album and Robert's song was due to a reminder when Page - for the first time - was not in control and also let his friends down as well and these are painful reminders of his own shortcomings in this period.
Until Page's crippling addiction he was the leader, producer and primary force behind much of Zeppelin's music.
As for Living Loving Maid - well, I always liked the song. I just don't get all that bent out of shape over humor or whatever. It wasn't mean. Just tongue n' cheek
In thru the outdoor proved that Page can play tastefully on anything
What's wrong with I'M GONNA CRAWL? I think it's as good as anything they did.
Yeah, I was going to say, Jimmy was incapacitated with health problems, do to his dancing with Mr. Brownstone.
Lol. My 2 fav Zep albums:
1. Physical graffiti
2. In through the out door
Guess because they were "different" than what I had expected.
"Where's that confounded bridge"?
My vote goes for The Crunge. 😒
Livin lovin maid yes i agree. All my love no. Probably because thats one of the first songs i heard and i adore it.
Livin Lovin Maid, Dancing Days, Houses of the Holy, Celebration Day, and Trampled Underfoot are the only ones i dont like
although i would never confront Page or debate him in person i must say that i like in through the out door album. hope page never reads this comment, dont want him to be angered cuz i disagree with him
Every band has some bad songs. “In Through The Out Door” was a transition album from hard rock to synthesizers, much like how the third album was a transition from hard rock to acoustic.
Since when would Led Zeppelin’s line up have been nothing with a different guitarist? Page is incredible but John Paul Jones was always the strongest musician in the unit and John Bonham was himself up to the toughest session work. The music was being created by three top session guys. Nobody carried anybody else and that’s why the music was so good, even when the lyrics let everything else down. Which sometimes they did and sometimes they didn’t.
I agree with many of the comments here that Living Lovin’ Maid is actually a great song...
I think All Of My Love is crap, sounds like a Journey or Styx song. As is crap all ITTOD. But Living Loving Maid is one of my favorite LZ songs. Who listens to the lyrics anyway?
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Alimony, alimony, paying her bills…
My least favorite Zeppelin tunes would be Dyer Maker, Misty Mountain Hop, Candy Store Rock, Southbound Suarez, Good Times Bad Times and You Shook Me. Everything else they did was a 10
Livin lovin maid is a great track.. he’s nuts