I’m Puerto Rican from the 80s bro and growing up in my school in East Harlem it was mostly black and Puerto Ricans and a sprinkle of everything else . We rocked together . Keeping it real it was always blacks and Puerto Ricans sticking together in the late 80s and 90s and I’m sure through out the whole tristate it was similar. Shit I’m Puerto Rican and my wife is black lol all love bro. People also forget we part Black as well that’s the crazy shit.
What does the ancestry of PR's have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? What does someone's wife's ancestry have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? What does anyone's mutual African ancestry with FBA have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? It's ludicrous to mention any of that. So, if I'm related to Egyptians by distant mutual ancestry, or marry an Egyptian, or have the same skintone, does that mean that me and my people group can now claim credit for building the pyramids?!! Hip Hop is an FBA creation that evolved out FBA musical and cultural traditions. FBA is a lineage that is separate from continental Africans, Carribeans, and all other diasporans. FBA lineage encompasses 500 years on US soil when none of those Ninjas were anywhere around. Mutual ancestry is a real thing. But we all have ancestors from Africa, period, no matter the skintone. The accomplishments of one group of so-called Blk people are not the accomplishments of every other blk-skinned people group on the planet. Stop with the skinshadism. Only one group is responsible for a global culture that spans the globe, and that is FBA's. The color of someone's skintone doesn't matter. One can't crowbar their way into someone else's heritage because they desire it more than their own. You are who you are, despite who you cosplay. Maybe PR's desiring recognition in FBA culture, not all PR's, should try to get to the bottom of the obvious self-h^te that they are exhibiting by rejecting their own ancestral heritage for someone else's and then trying to appropriate it as if it is of their heritage. One should never cherish someone else's heritage, traditions, culture . . . identity . . . above one's own. That really does not honor your ancestors. Smh . . . in pity.
Im Puerto Rican from NY I remember going to Cali and Mexicans told me I look Brazilian when I went to ATL they said the same thing. In NY they automatically know Im Puerto Rican 😂
That’s such crazy ignorant thing to say. There’s no such thing as looking Brazilian. But Mexicans respect Brazil and Brazilians. It’s funny because they don’t like melanated people or other Latinos like that. So I believe he was good with you.
@@xmontalvo1977 : Well; I'd like to say that is the case in many places; however, lamentably there is a racial element (racial code) among certain Mexican American (Chicano) gangs in certain LA 'varrios' as well as other varrios throughout the state of California.
@Lunatic4Bizcas There was also fighting due to racial reasons despite this claim to clean it up. There are plenty of FBA adults today who were youths back then in NYC who repeatedly state that PR's were r-cst, i.e., Anti-B. There are many Latinos on UA-cam who admit it today. Even the PR's who did hang out with FBA youths told those youths that they could not enter their houses because they were Blk. In addition, when those same PR's entered Rikers prison, they would join with WS gangs and fight FBA's. The same ones who "were" there supposedly working together in kumbaya land with Blk Americans creating Hip Hop, which is a purely Blk American musical and cultural form. You can't suppress that history. Anti-B-ness runs rampant in Latin America or wherever Latinos are. And in the 70s, it was even more pronounced.
@ he mos def is, this is the dumbest topic ever, we all united in this culture. when i go to a jam, im with brothers of all colors and its love. all yall fans dont know nothin cuz yall dont participate yall just watch videos and regurgitate misinformation and start some racial ish. yall aint Hip Hop.
Listen man, Puerto Rican here from NYC. Born in the 70's, I always ran with a crew of black and Latino cats. Dudes ate outta my refrigerator. Knocked on my Black neighbors doors asking for milk or eggs. We were all in the struggle together. Stop looking to dig up B.S from the past. Pay attention to whose the real enemy. Them people in the government whose trying to set the poor community back to the Jim crow era. Don't see color, see whose with you and whose not. Amongst our own people, many of times we have enemies
@Bdpjev All of that sounds good or at least looks good in print. In practice, however, not so much. FBA's have been the vanguard for unified effort against WS for decades. We coined the term "Black and Brown Coalition." But the sad reality is that it was a one-sided effort. The truth is that there is too much, rampant Anti-B-ness among Brown people, including all Latino groups wherever they are on the planet. And you preach on unity with others but mistreat your fellow countrymen, some whom you're related to, because of their skinshades. Sure, people of all groups do nasty things to people within their own groups. But to do so based merely on their skinshade is heinous. Why? Because it's h^.te without a cause. You automatically h^te someone who's not done anything to you on sight. There's a special place in h3ll for people who do that. Clean that up first, then think about unity. Your examples of instances where you had Blk American friends and did things with Blk Americans do not mean a hill of beans until you eradicate that crazy colonial mindset. Instances like those have occurred between every group in the US, and nothing has changed. We have to think collectively to fully understand these dynamics.
I'm from NYC, born and raised. Yes black and Latinos grew up together as one. They always say blacks and Latinos but i noticed how it was never blacks and Latinos owning bodegas. It was just the Latinos. Plus, every place of employment is employed mainly by Latinos. In the Bronx, every single restaurant in the is for the Latinos
The Bronx in the 70's was a rough, dangerous place to grow up. The youth were surrounded by drugs, crime, poverty, gang violence, and overall struggle. Yet they, particularly the African American and Latino youth (minority groups), were neglected by mainstream institutions. Desperate for a way to escape their everyday struggles, they invented their own art forms. These art forms, which the youth embodied in the way they dressed, talked, moved, and expressed themselves, soon became a lifestyle. A way to live. This lifestyle and culture became known as Hip Hop.Hip-hop music culture is a product of African American, Afro-Caribbean and Latino inner-city communities plagued by poverty, the proliferation of drugs, and gang violence in the 1960s and early 1970s. By providing the youth with a sense of identity and belonging, Hip-Hop's strong influence fosters a sense of unity.Hip-Hop is one of the most vibrant products of the late 20th century youth culture. Now York Puerto Ricans have been key participants, as producers and consumers of the culture and hip-hop art forms since hip-hop's very beginning during the early 1970's in the South Bronx.For years, Puerto Ricans have been involved in the middle of the hip hop revolution throughout its history whether it was through breakdancing, djing, and eventually the MC's. One of the first DJ's to have come into prominence is DJ Charlie Chase of the Cold Crush Brothers.Many of the so-called founding fathers of hip hop were of Latin American and/or Caribbean origin, including DJ Kool Herc (Jamaican), DJ Disco Wiz (Puerto Rican and Cuban descent), Grandmaster Flash (Bajan), and Afrika Bambaataa (Jamaican and Bajan descentClive Campbell (born April 16, 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with being one of the founders of hip hop music in the Bronx, New York City, in 1973. Nicknamed the Father of Hip-Hop, Campbell began playing hard funk records of the sort typified by James Brown. Campbell began to isolate the instrumental portion of the record which emphasized the drum beat-the "break"-and switch from one break to another. Using the same two-turntable set-up of disco DJs, he used two copies of the same record to elongate the break. This breakbeat DJing, using funky drum solos, formed the basis of hip hop music. Campbell's announcements and exhortations to dancers helped lead to the syncopated, rhythmically spoken accompaniment now known as rapping.African American tend to view it as exclusively their own, and even Puerto Ricans and other Latinos tend to view it as "black" music. However, its birth and development were a joint creative effort of African American and Latino Afro Caribbean youngsters, particularly, Puerto Ricans.🇵🇷🇺🇸🇯🇲☝️💪
MC Shan was always my favorite rapper I was raised in the Bronx even when I'm in the gym working out I listen to all his songs and anything that Spanish is black I know my history Puerto Rican history 💪💪
Haha, Props to Shan for not taking the race bait! EVERY hood I ever lived in had black, brown & white going through the same hunger pains- broke ain't got no color!
Facts I agree with MC Shan, California is all Mexicans too, I miss the NewYork culture back home on the east coast, it’s nothing on the planet that has such a diverse & energetic atmosphere as NewYork cities culture.
I grew up alongside Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Jamaicans. We thought we were all black. There has always been black, brown, and light akinmed people in the black community. When it came to the Latinos many were considered black people that spoke Spanish or patois
Thank you mc sham I respect your opinion because you were there and know what I’ve been saying being from the Bronx. African Americans did not like us Puerto’s Rican at all back in the days. We had to earn that through blood sweat and tears. And then we learned to get along and build beautiful things together. So I say this again if you’re not from the Bronx do not comment about hip hop.
Triple OGs already cleared things up. Guru, creator of the Black Spades, DJ Phase, etc. Even Kool Herc admitted he nor his culture was involved in creating hip-hop. Even the Johnny come lately's like crazy legs admitted they copied " that Moreno style ". Dudes born in the 80s and 90s talking about "if you not from the Bronx blah blah blah. " 😂
scoreboardkeepers youtube channel the unsung Hip Hop Legend Dj Disco King Mario 1971 from North Carolina to Bronx, NY ( The Real Truth). BA HH culture creation already existed among themselves. Racists Whyte and Latino gangs and were against BA and Black Spades had to protect their own BA people and their neighborhood.
No one gets along totally with their own kind, in any group. Europeans launched 2 world wars against each other but they're still on code with each other. The US had the Civil War. Blk Americans created more musical genres than any people group in the history of the planet and did so in less than 175 years after emancipation from slvry. We weren't totally getting along then. It's human nature to have infighting. But we remain on code with each other. We are not on code with other groups. We did not and never have built anything in coalition with other groups immigrating here, especially not anything musical. We don't need any help with that one, Bro.
Tariq doesn’t know anything about New York culture and I don’t think most of us in NYC take him seriously. He’s bought and paid for by the white agenda to stoke division. And there’s a lot of fools falling for all his nonsense..
It doesn't matter what Tariq says. It's what the original Blk youths who were involved in the conceptualization of Hip Hop say. And they, and the first Puerto Ricans to become involved in Hip Hop, all admit it started with Blk Americans. But then it's no mystery. It's BLK American, FBA culture.
Im PR from the BX in my mid 40s now. I was never one to look at color or race as a thing. It was always your character. If u was a respectable person i rocked wit you so i was always around different kinds of people all the time. I was in a Jamaican neighborhood and most my friends were both rican and black and Jamaican
Nobody is hating on African Americans then other African African Americans. That situation dominates other beefs between different ethnic groups. At MC Shan is speaking on was from a completely different time. Back in the 60s through the 80s, there was some tension but by the 90s, it got better and only got better from there. Shan said he doesn't know where the Puerto Ricans areas in the Atlanta area are, the majority of us are in Gwinnett, Cobb, Barrow, Bartow and Henry County. The biggest tension that I've seen growing up where between Puerto Ricans and Dominicans.
Jewels are being dropped HEAVY!!! Mc Shan is the man!!! Bottom line!! You definitely won the life battle between you and krs-1 my brother your ethics are intact and your are spilling that truth for the youth !!!! 💪🏽💪🏽💯💯💯❤️🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
MC Shan was NOT the one to interview for this topic. He is from Queensbridge. Which was predominantly Black American during his time. Queens period was NOT known for having much Puerto Ricans.
I lived in Soundview in the 80s, my Highschool was like 50/50, 55/45 Black/Spanish. I moved to South Jamaica Queens and my new school was like 95/5 Black/Spanish.
Who said you had to stay in one neighborhood because you lived there. I'm from Brooklyn and I was in every borough in the 70's. You ever heard of graffiti? We used to ride trains all over the city to get up and most of the yards were in Brooklyn and the Bronx. We was NOT stuck in one place. Also everybody got family somewhere else that we visit in the city and the girls loved us because we was from the other side. That's why we kept coming back too. Lol You guys trying to make a point without common sense. You wasn't there. You wasn't born yet. Things you know now was not like that then.
Grew up South BX.. true there were Ricans on one side and Blacks on another side stayed away from each other... BUT there was a middle where we grew up together... during the gang era, strict territorial boundaries... but the killing of Black Benjie of Ghetto Brothers and the GB choosing peace over revenge Boys Club meeting helped calm things down where one could hang out at a block party.. if you were there you know.. Hip hop comes from Black American culture but Ricans came along..
Yes. Nobody's ancestry participating in someone else's culture alters the culture. It's an iteration of Blk Culture. The mannerisms, etc., i.e., Blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, fashion are all Blk American, not to mention the musical forms. Nothing changes that.
@@xmontalvo1977 Please show us where to find those old videos. Then I'll show you some old black-and-white film of PR gang members admitting to the race based fights. I'll also show you where current PR's admit that whenever they went to Rikers, they sided with WS gangs against FBA. Stop lying. You only want to claim kumbaya to lay claim on our worldwide musical heritage, and it won't work. You're not Blk Americans. You only cosplay us.
Bingo! Hip Hop was not made togeher. BA created it and PR came later and assimilated into the BA culture that already existed and it was cool. It was never the other way around.
@@akaicruiseHe is Hip Hop by birth, not an interloper cosplaying it. Quit deflecting. What have you done for Plena? Oh yeah, you disregarded your heritage to assimilate to someone else's and then became mad at the backlash when you tried to plant your flag in their heritage. 🤔 💭 🤔
I dont care what anyone says theres mad love between blacks and puerto ricans , yes theres ignorant people in all races but not everyone is the same, im Puerto Rican and i got black in my family and grew up with my black brothers and sister till this day we rock together. 💯 Facts
Miami native and grew up around Puerto Ricans as a black man no problems we was like family. 🫱🫲 And i can't forget my Dominican brothers also grew up around them too no problems. And i remember back in the '80s i used to hang with this dude was called the Puerto Rican kid from the bronx and he used break dance his ass off 😆
Let's not confuse the issue, if tension exists, it's bc others don't play their position. Black Americans created Hip Hop, P R.'s were the first other participants. End story, spread the glory!!!🇺🇲✊🏾🗽✊🏾💪🏾
I Don’t know any Puerto Ricans claiming the creation of Hip hop. That’s Joe and people in the industry and maybe a few nobodies talking shit. As far as the Puerto Rican community ain’t nobody saying that nor do they care. Ain’t no one kissing ass on either side and nobody from the Puerto Rican community is hijacking’s hip hop. Period!
Somebody please explain this... "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words) "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
scoreboardkeepers youtube channel the unsung Hip Hop Legend Dj Disco King Mario 1971 from North Carolina to Bronx, NY ( The Real Truth). BA HH culture creation already existed before the truce.
The FBA (lineage) on US soil since day 1 before America was called America. Every FBA are one with uniqueness that created every genres and dances that makes up the culture in America. FBA do not colonize locations like outsiders of the FBA culture. FBA are connected with each other, and embrace each others uniqueness although we may joke at each other= FBA ARE ALL ONE! Again, FBA families are connected with we each other all over the US. You outsiders bring that crazy division. FBA ARE ONE!
@@DJBigs if you not from NYC you can't speak on how the founding of hip hop was period. FBA from Atlanta has completely different culture from NYC and from Cali, vice versa.
@mixtapemania6769 Nonsense!! You are very uninformed about what culture is. FBA culture is one culture that is the basis of each iteration of FBA culture across the USA. A culture may adapt to varying circumstances within the environment, but the basic elements are the same. Since you don't really know our culture and have only been over here a hot 15 minutes, you would not understand that. Either that, or you are faking a move.
@@DJBigsYes, but they don't apply that division to PR. It's purposeful distortion. They are not a part of any instance of our culture wherever it is at. They are guests in Hip Hop and need to stop trying to plant their flag in our heritage. I know, it's hard being in proximity to worldwide phenomenal greatness, and it not really being yours. So, they attempt to appropriate it.
Im a New Yorker living in Georgia. There is no animosity prevalent between Blacks and Latinos here. New York is different in that there had been underlying tension between Latinos and Blacks, especially in jail/prison.
I tied telling these guys from the south that NY was different we were one, we gave each other that one strike rule. So it was different in all other states.
In NY, PR and Black American were not one. Did you just heard MC Shan from NY express the conflict between PR and BA. Stop telling the South and other States lies. There were no kumbaya. The FBA (lineage) on US soil since day 1 before America was called America. Every BA are one with uniqueness that created every genres and dances that makes up the culture in America. BA do not colonize locations like outsiders of the BA culture. BA are connected with each other, and embrace each others uniqueness although we may joke at each other= BA ARE ALL ONE! Again, BA families are connected with each other all over the US. You outsiders bring that crazy division. FBA ARE ONE!
@DJBigs it depended where you live in Nyc cuz some Pr aka Black was good friends growing up. But if you ain't from Nyc mind your business and stop gossiping like a biatch
@@DJBigsit depended where you live in Nyc cuz some Black and Pr was good friends growing up. But mind your business if you ain't from Nyc and stop gossiping like a b I *ch
Respectfully Shan was feeding the narrative of Sloppy Joe prior. Shan stated along the lines FBA & Puerto Ricans shared Hip Hop 50/50 Shan even went to the extent to say Puerto Ricans were first in Jogging Suit and went on capping of their attire. I only remember Puerto Ricans first with the fat shoe laces in Shell Toes & Pumas. In Brooklyn neighborhood we’re clearly separated. FBA still were sprinkled in with them. Same as predominantly FBA neighborhoods Puerto Ricans were sprinkled in but there was clear division. Brooklyn mainly in Bushwick & Sunset Park is Puerto Ricans. I’m glad still he’s on this platform for Panda Bear to ask him in depth these questions for clarity but we can’t flip Flop with pioneers changing their stance respectfully
@@TheJayster571Let’s get real. You enjoyed all of 15 minutes notoriety in Hip Hop history, and that was mainly break dancing. That's all gone now. Your participation in Rap has been sparse and minimal. If Rap had not taken off with FBA in the 80s, Hip Hop would have died out back then. Along with the ascendance of Rap came all that swagger, Blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, mannerisms, fashion, i.e., aesthetic. What is globally recognized and imitated is Rap and the Blk American Male aesthetic. You looking silly calling FBA's delusional while you are imitating the FBA male aesthetic, essentially cosplaying someone you are not. Who's really delusional here?!! 😎
@@randtedthat's a really high horse you're on. "Hip hop" referred to the energy of many of the urban, creative youth (brown AND black). WE didn't have much and it seemed that no one cared. The only thing that was there for US was our ingenuity, creativity, and desire. Practicing our arts was a fantastic distraction from all the turmoil and things that were out of our control happening to us. Over time, while raising ourselves, we developed a deep sense of pride in our arts, styles, and values. The only thing that mattered to US was if you were dope and were a good friend. At this time, most FBAs, nationally, had no idea what WE were doing and why it was so important to US. Anyone outside of the urban Northeast was looked at as "country"; meant as a derogatory term describing anyone, especially FBAs, that didn't understand US. This seems to apply and remain true, to this day. Before rap was glorified/monetized/exploited, DJ's (the vibe-setters) were extremely valued and the musicality/dancing was prioritized. Ever wonder why the dopest parts of the songs (break beats/bridge) had no lyrics? Herbie Hancock even won a Grammy with a song that had no lyrics. Rap stems from this energy. Some would argue that edm, freestyle, house, reggaeton, 90's r&b, etc... are also offspring of this energy which is multicultural. Music is powerful. Our heartbeats play the drums all day. Our breath is rhythm. Our thoughts are freestyles. Our strides are dances. 🇵🇷
Growing up in spanish harlem we had to fight racist black kids from the projects. they used to try and jump us lol but had no hands. Rican and blacks for the most part got along but we have our differences. we have the same upbringings in nyc and dealt with the same racist shiiit. remember the young lords used to help the black panthers. Bloods and Latin kings united. In nyc i would say Ricans and blacks were the closest out of any other groups in nyc.
@@robertjackson7451 In the 80’s i used to work with my pops at JHS 45 on 1st ave and E 120. All my years there i saw no problems, everyone in the community got along. Shout out to sloppy Joes on 1st ave with the best BEC
Love mc shan im 60 Bronx Boy TBB crew I always said i like Duke My Bronx boys would give me sĥĥhhhiiiii. But talent is takent hes speaking complete 1000 im a light skin Rican all in hip hop as teenager facts 183
The ogs in the streets started rapping & learning the business too because it's a way out & easy now why deal with a youngin when you can make it yourself especially the hustlers
The four elements of hip hop culture. Rapping, D.J'ing, Break Dancing and Graffiti. Two of these elements were cultivated and elevated in the Bronx. Kool Herc, Grand Wizard Theodore etc... All from the Bronx. Black people were rapping waaay before 1973. Listen to Pigmeat Markham "hear comes the judge" and waaay before that the Jubillairs were spitting bars in the 40's. Graffiti comes from the greek word "graphein" which means to write and also from the Italian word "graffiato" which means to scratch so we damn sure didn't create something that's not even our damn language lol. Tagging, Bombing, throwin up pieces, we can call it whatever but just bcuz we did it a little different doesn't mean we created it. Now poppin and lockin and breakin that's definitely a Bronx thing even tho there are literally hip hop dance moves that Sammy Davis Jr. and his dad was doin before there was a thing called hip hop. I'm from the Bronx and went to A.E. Smith Vocational H.S. the same H.S. Herc went to and I think this whole argument is stupid. Trump is back in office, people are building flying cars, A.I quantum computers are cracking codes that are supposed to be uncrackable and we're at each other's throats over this nonsense.
@davidengland5314 Ummm, no, on a couple of things. Pop Locking originated on the West Coast with Don Campbell. Also, it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world. What does that have to do with what people do with their leisure time? As if people are not going to engage in distractions because of the things you mentioned going on right now. All humans everywhere under all circumstances throughout history have engaged in distractions, pastimes, or leisurely activities, if not mere moments of leisure that they could steal. Try googling the leisurely things and pastimes, for instance, that US citizens engaged in during WW I or II. Try reading The Diary of Anne Frank. It's nonsense to think that people will not engage in their pastimes because of events going on in the world. It is basic human nature. What?! Are we supposed to sit in the dark with cover over our heads, shaking in our boots until it's over. 😆 You know, if you don't like that this conversation is being had, just say that. Don't use irrelevant things to bolster it. You can also skip it the next time. And, yes, this is an important discussion to have, regardless.
It's so crazy what's happening now. Hip-Hop was supposed to unite us minorities but now it's just unsettling divisive. NY should have kept it to themselves
Hip Hop was not created to unite minorities. It was then and is now an expression of Blk American culture that became popular, as some much of FBA culture has done the past century, which these other groups gravitated to and bit off of. And I am older than Hip Hop, by the way. This notion that whatever is ours is everybody's is a c-nizrs mentality.
Somebody please explain this... "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words) "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
"Hip hop" referred to the energy of many of the urban, creative youth (brown AND black). WE didn't have much. It seemed that no one cared. The only thing that was there for US was our ingenuity, creativity, and desire. Practicing our arts was a fantastic distraction from all the turmoil around US. Things that were out of our control. We were desperate for guidance. Over time, while raising ourselves, we developed a deep sense of pride in our arts, styles, and values. The only thing that mattered to US was if you were dope and were a good friend. At this time, most FBAs, nationally, had no idea what WE were doing and why it was so important to US. Anyone outside of the urban Northeast was looked at as "country"; meant as a derogatory term describing anyone, especially FBAs, that didn't understand US, which seems to apply and remain true, to this day. Before rap was glorified/monetized/exploited, DJ's (the vibe-setters) were extremely valued and the musicality/dancing was the priority. Ever wonder why the dopest parts of the songs (break beats/bridge) had no lyrics? Herbie Hancock even won a Grammy with a song that had no lyrics. Rap, just one of the elements, stems from this eclectic, multicultural, melting-pot of energy. Some would argue that edm, freestyle, house, reggaeton, 90's r&b, new jack swing, etc... are also offspring of this energy. It's disheartening to see what happened to OUR culture. We've lost our way. Dividing OUR people with these idiotic arguments, for what?? Recognition? Legacy? Money? Power? Respect? We've become exactly what we've despised; the Wetiko. Music is omnipresent. Our heartbeats play the drums. Our breath is rhythm. Our thoughts are freestyles. Our strides are dances. ...and it's meant to be enjoyed and shared. 🇵🇷
People that don't know shit about the East have to listen to the propaganda! Bro, this clown up here said Mexican like 10 times. Non related to Puerto Ricans. He doesn't know what the F he is. Talk about some factual shit. Keep it real, and don't get sloppy like Joe!
@pandachopnews PR never claim Joe. He has always low Key shit on PR. That is where I am coming from. And I hope your content shows that. It is not a PR and Black issue. It is a Joe issue.
When people in the states talk PR especially in regards to hip hop they don’t mean people literally from Puerto Rico that live there still. They mean Nuyoricans or ones that live in the states.
Yo, I just learned this. And the sources are ridiculous (nps.gov and Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture). You might find this interesting... "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words) "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
To me shan is hard to understand sometimes. blacks and puerto ricans where In the same gang in the bronx this wasn't Really happening across America that's the difference
@@juicepedraz941 Respectfully even if true now the 90’s or 80’s it wasn’t the case in the early seventies in NYC. Why does this make people uncomfortable to tell the whole truth?
@@alstone5005the savage nomads and the savage skulls were 2 bronx gangs that had blacks and puertoricans members in the early 70s. Check out the documentary 80 Blocks from Tiffany where you see black americans and puertoricans together.
@ Two integrated gangs in a city of hundreds of gangs having fights along racial lines proves what exactly Sir? I am very well aware of those gangs but in hearing from the multitude of gangs it doesn’t take a genius to understand NYC was NOTHING like it is today in unity. This is true outside of NYC exponentially more.
@@DominicanManowarFan Just for understanding those two gangs you mentioned never claimed to be the start of hip hop or hip hop related? Meaning the only integrated gangs you can find with Blacks and Ricans weren’t doing hip hop? You do more to prove the point in addressing those couple integrated gangs
That's like saying the j3ws and the N@zis were on the same side. While some j3ws did work with the n@zis, we understand that the gist of the relationship was not buddy buddy. PS - were there FBA in the Puerto Rican gang? Just asking out of curiosity.
The Biggest Lie is Trying to Pretend that We Were All Just One Big Happy Family! Sure Hip Hop Helped to Bring Us Together, But All the Puerto Rican Pioneers of Hip Hop Have Repeatedly Said that their Family and Friends Would Ask Them Why Are They Messing With That "Jungle Music". Panda Why Don't You Ever Bring Up What Charlie Chase, Ruby Dee, and Batch etc... Said about Blacks Creating Hip Hop and How They Received Push Back From Other Puerto Ricans? The Young PRs Today Are Nothing Like the First Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop. SMH
You acting like the older black folks just embraced hip hop 😂 AND like y'all were just kumbaya holding hands and shit and not fighting each other LMAO 🤣 FOH.
@wayofthekodiak3118 Comparing the tension that occurs because of a generation gap with that which exists between separate people groups is a false equivalency. Older Blk Americans have practically always had an issue with how younger generations expressed the culture. That includes every one of the prolific musical genres created by Blk Americans. Each succeeding genre was the result of the next generation farther evolving the musical tradition in their own manner. In fact, that generation gap dynamic is found within all people groups. So that's really a very weak point. And one thing for sure, no elder Blk American is going to call any iteration or reiteration of Blk American music "Jungle Bunny" music. That slur would only come from someone from outside with obvious issues with race. Besides, no matter who didn't like Hip Hop in the Blk American community, it did not and does not change it from being the latest and logical progression of Blk American musical evolution. It is Blk American, aka, FBA, culture hands down. Precedents for it are not found in any other culture. Whenever anyone across the planet thinks of Hip Hop, the imagine that overwhelmingly comes to mind is that of a Blk American, particularly an FBA male. And rightly so. His identity is expressed in all the swagger, blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, mannerisms, and fashion. Black Americans are at the forefront of their cultural productions just like members of other groups are at the forefront of their own. And that's not going to change. You don't see us out there trying to excel above Hispanics in their cultural forms. We don't need to do that. We're thoroughly content with our own unique musical journey.
Somebody please explain this... "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words) "In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
Latin jazz Latin soul ok doesn't mean Latinos created the genre contributed yes but not created just like hip hop Latinos contributed later on but not create 50/50 stop it we created damn near every genre of music in this country never needed any group help to do so the last poets that's a reach by the way at this point it would be easier for Latinos to create a genre of music something you haven't done yet in this country let's start there what genre of anything have Puerto Ricans created ?and I bet he was a darker Puerto Rican that cos played black and didnt bring anything from Latin culture that was popular back then btw and Latin music back then sounded like circus music Cubans make better music and always have
@thuttwheet8276 Facts! Only the blk-skinned PR's were invited into our organizations or music groups, etc., back in the day, on the strength they were Blk. The Last Poets were all blk-skinned poets. It was a part and a product of the Black Power Movement. It had nothing to do with Felipe but everything to do with Black. And Felipe was not a founding member of the group. You can see him on an interview admitting that, and nowhere else, other than that article is he credited as a founder. The truth is, these PR's already know he was not a founder. This poster is capitalizing on the error in this article, i.e., gaslighting.
Oh yeah, PR's don't create musical genres. They have a documented history of taking over other people's creations. In some cases, they grew to dominate in them, e.g., Salsa, Reggaeton. But that didn't happen with Hip Hop. Essentially, their significant or most notable involvement was with the breakdancing. And that came and went in a flash. Now all they have is this attempt, 50-something years later, to claim co-creation in order to stay relevant. But creating Hip Hop is not why FBA's stayed relevant. It's because it is Blk Culture, and the Blk American identity is stamped on it, i.e., Blaccent, swagger, fashion style, mannerisms, musical style, slang. Ain't nobody walking around here talking and acting Blk in something they helped create. 😆
there is no puerto rican and black tension live bx right now what the f are you talking about i live in the jamaican and dominican hood and everybody respects each other ya really want a face why ???
Who said he’s talking about right now? He’s talking about in the past. When you look online so many people are talking about the tensions that existed in the past so I’m asking him for clarity
@@pandachopnewsy’all gonna start a lot of problems with this Latins vs FBA . The internet is garbage , n honestly this was all pushed by trump n the corn balls who support him .
It’s not starting problems. Shan’s message was confirming that there were some differences but they were cool too. There are some people right now pushing a narrative that all Latinos are racist or they never liked black people. The more we have these conversations that may be uncomfortable the more likely we can unify each other and move forward.
The Spanish words & accent he did in the beginning of the video is Dominican not Puerto rican. Lol. It's all good though. Shan is a legend. Stay healthy OG
This video title is a lie. There is no Puerto Rican tension against blacks.. everybody is trying to get in on this topic! I ain't even gonna watch this video because this topic is old already, and Puerto Ricans already agree that blacks created hip hop.. move on to the next topic, please.
The video title is not a lie. Not all Puerto Ricans have said that blacks are the creators. There are a lot that still believe they are co-creators. Don't comment on something you not gonna even watch. Why even click the video? You just wasted your time. smh
@pandachopnews the only Puerto Ricans that are claiming co-creators are rappers or celebrities.. and they are getting paid to say this.. I DONT TRUST RAPPERS OR CELEBRITIES.. I am Puerto Rican so I know what I'm talking about when I say that the Puerto Rican people are not trying to steal hip hop!!! WE DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THAT... do you think we are stupid?.. everyone knows blacks created hihop..you guys are paying attention to fat joe hahaha he's a moron and even the Puerto Rican community knows it so yeah.. I think alot of people just want to start podcasts using this topic but like I said the PR people are not trying to steal credit for hip hop..AND THATS A FACT!!
@@pandachopnewsI watched enough of the video to see that shan is not accurate in his account.. I lived in NYC in the 70s 80s & 90s so I know first hand of how things went down.. but everyone is putting there two sense in and all this is gonna do is push Puerto Ricans away from hip hop.. its already happening. Because of all this bickering Hip hop will be something that only black people listen too soon. Just like only white people listen to country.. I used to be very proud of being apart of hip hop, not as creators but as cultivators and now I'm growing to dislike it because of this nonsense.. its damn shame.
DJ Charlie Chase said in an interview that he fought hard not physically fought but he fought hard to be apart of black music culture and Charlie Chase is not his government name did you know
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I’m Puerto Rican from the 80s bro and growing up in my school in East Harlem it was mostly black and Puerto Ricans and a sprinkle of everything else . We rocked together . Keeping it real it was always blacks and Puerto Ricans sticking together in the late 80s and 90s and I’m sure through out the whole tristate it was similar. Shit I’m Puerto Rican and my wife is black lol all love bro. People also forget we part Black as well that’s the crazy shit.
The 2 aren't mutually exclusive though. You can be both black and Puerto Rican. You can be white and Puerto rican.
@lucasbrown743 how old are you?
@richricks78 such stupid question, clearly you lack comprehension if you're asking that question as if there's a problem with the statement.
@@richricks78 how old are you?
What does the ancestry of PR's have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? What does someone's wife's ancestry have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? What does anyone's mutual African ancestry with FBA have to do with the creation of Hip Hop? It's ludicrous to mention any of that. So, if I'm related to Egyptians by distant mutual ancestry, or marry an Egyptian, or have the same skintone, does that mean that me and my people group can now claim credit for building the pyramids?!!
Hip Hop is an FBA creation that evolved out FBA musical and cultural traditions. FBA is a lineage that is separate from continental Africans, Carribeans, and all other diasporans. FBA lineage encompasses 500 years on US soil when none of those Ninjas were anywhere around. Mutual ancestry is a real thing. But we all have ancestors from Africa, period, no matter the skintone. The accomplishments of one group of so-called Blk people are not the accomplishments of every other blk-skinned people group on the planet. Stop with the skinshadism. Only one group is responsible for a global culture that spans the globe, and that is FBA's.
The color of someone's skintone doesn't matter. One can't crowbar their way into someone else's heritage because they desire it more than their own. You are who you are, despite who you cosplay. Maybe PR's desiring recognition in FBA culture, not all PR's, should try to get to the bottom of the obvious self-h^te that they are exhibiting by rejecting their own ancestral heritage for someone else's and then trying to appropriate it as if it is of their heritage. One should never cherish someone else's heritage, traditions, culture . . . identity . . . above one's own. That really does not honor your ancestors. Smh . . . in pity.
An old g told me "you're smart, go to college" and coming from the toughest guy in the hood. It stuck with me. I complied.
NOBODY ASKED!!
Im glad you listened to me HO!!
Im Puerto Rican from NY I remember going to Cali and Mexicans told me I look Brazilian when I went to ATL they said the same thing. In NY they automatically know Im Puerto Rican 😂
That’s such crazy ignorant thing to say. There’s no such thing as looking Brazilian. But Mexicans respect Brazil and Brazilians. It’s funny because they don’t like melanated people or other Latinos like that. So I believe he was good with you.
You are mixed. Period.
We fought but it was never racial,, it was just street beef. Thats the difference!!
@@PRONESKI-TV that the part that FBA don’t understand..
@@PRONESKI-TV Not true Puerto Ricans gangs had swastikas on their jackets.
@@xmontalvo1977 : Well; I'd like to say that is the case in many places; however, lamentably there is a racial element (racial code) among certain Mexican American (Chicano) gangs in certain LA 'varrios' as well as other varrios throughout the state of California.
@Lunatic4Bizcas There was also fighting due to racial reasons despite this claim to clean it up. There are plenty of FBA adults today who were youths back then in NYC who repeatedly state that PR's were r-cst, i.e., Anti-B. There are many Latinos on UA-cam who admit it today. Even the PR's who did hang out with FBA youths told those youths that they could not enter their houses because they were Blk.
In addition, when those same PR's entered Rikers prison, they would join with WS gangs and fight FBA's. The same ones who "were" there supposedly working together in kumbaya land with Blk Americans creating Hip Hop, which is a purely Blk American musical and cultural form. You can't suppress that history. Anti-B-ness runs rampant in Latin America or wherever Latinos are. And in the 70s, it was even more pronounced.
True sometines but we ricans always called them black in spanish lol it just sounded personal to us Pun Brought that out....
MC SHAN STILL SPITTIN TRUTH
@@timliang1674 no he’s not 🧢
@ he mos def is, this is the dumbest topic ever, we all united in this culture. when i go to a jam, im with brothers of all colors and its love. all yall fans dont know nothin cuz yall dont participate yall just watch videos and regurgitate misinformation and start some racial ish. yall aint Hip Hop.
All i can say is that hip hop was much better in the beginning ❤
Facts💯👏🏻🔥
Listen man, Puerto Rican here from NYC. Born in the 70's, I always ran with a crew of black and Latino cats. Dudes ate outta my refrigerator. Knocked on my Black neighbors doors asking for milk or eggs. We were all in the struggle together.
Stop looking to dig up B.S from the past. Pay attention to whose the real enemy. Them people in the government whose trying to set the poor community back to the Jim crow era. Don't see color, see whose with you and whose not. Amongst our own people, many of times we have enemies
@Bdpjev All of that sounds good or at least looks good in print. In practice, however, not so much. FBA's have been the vanguard for unified effort against WS for decades. We coined the term "Black and Brown Coalition." But the sad reality is that it was a one-sided effort.
The truth is that there is too much, rampant Anti-B-ness among Brown people, including all Latino groups wherever they are on the planet. And you preach on unity with others but mistreat your fellow countrymen, some whom you're related to, because of their skinshades. Sure, people of all groups do nasty things to people within their own groups. But to do so based merely on their skinshade is heinous. Why? Because it's h^.te without a cause. You automatically h^te someone who's not done anything to you on sight.
There's a special place in h3ll for people who do that. Clean that up first, then think about unity. Your examples of instances where you had Blk American friends and did things with Blk Americans do not mean a hill of beans until you eradicate that crazy colonial mindset. Instances like those have occurred between every group in the US, and nothing has changed. We have to think collectively to fully understand these dynamics.
Don’t mean you helped invent hip hop when you really didn’t know the ledge
I'm from NYC, born and raised. Yes black and Latinos grew up together as one. They always say blacks and Latinos but i noticed how it was never blacks and Latinos owning bodegas. It was just the Latinos. Plus, every place of employment is employed mainly by Latinos. In the Bronx, every single restaurant in the is for the Latinos
@sandygreen8257 Yes, their stuff is theirs, and our, FBA, stuff is theirs. That's how that goes.
Exactly because they're given money and programs that we aren't allowed to get to get businesses they don't want us to succeed in mass
The Bronx in the 70's was a rough, dangerous place to grow up. The youth were surrounded by drugs, crime, poverty, gang violence, and overall struggle.
Yet they, particularly the African American and Latino youth (minority groups), were neglected by mainstream institutions.
Desperate for a way to escape their everyday struggles, they invented their own art forms.
These art forms, which the youth embodied in the way they dressed, talked, moved, and expressed themselves, soon became a lifestyle. A way to live.
This lifestyle and culture became known as Hip Hop.Hip-hop music culture is a product of African American, Afro-Caribbean and Latino inner-city communities plagued by poverty, the proliferation of drugs, and gang violence in the 1960s and early 1970s. By providing the youth with a sense of identity and belonging, Hip-Hop's strong influence fosters a sense of unity.Hip-Hop is one of the most vibrant products of the late 20th century youth culture. Now York Puerto Ricans have been key participants, as producers and consumers of the culture and hip-hop art forms since hip-hop's very beginning during the early 1970's in the South Bronx.For years, Puerto Ricans have been involved in the middle of the hip hop revolution throughout its history whether it was through breakdancing, djing, and eventually the MC's. One of the first DJ's to have come into prominence is DJ Charlie Chase of the Cold Crush Brothers.Many of the so-called founding fathers of hip hop were of Latin American and/or Caribbean origin, including DJ Kool Herc (Jamaican), DJ Disco Wiz (Puerto Rican and Cuban descent), Grandmaster Flash (Bajan), and Afrika Bambaataa (Jamaican and Bajan descentClive Campbell (born April 16, 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with being one of the founders of hip hop music in the Bronx, New York City, in 1973. Nicknamed the Father of Hip-Hop, Campbell began playing hard funk records of the sort typified by James Brown. Campbell began to isolate the instrumental portion of the record which emphasized the drum beat-the "break"-and switch from one break to another. Using the same two-turntable set-up of disco DJs, he used two copies of the same record to elongate the break. This breakbeat DJing, using funky drum solos, formed the basis of hip hop music. Campbell's announcements and exhortations to dancers helped lead to the syncopated, rhythmically spoken accompaniment now known as rapping.African American tend to view it as exclusively their own, and even Puerto Ricans and other Latinos tend to view it as "black" music. However, its birth and development were a joint creative effort of African American and Latino Afro Caribbean youngsters, particularly, Puerto Ricans.🇵🇷🇺🇸🇯🇲☝️💪
@@aferrer74 very well said! 👏🏽🍻 Salute!
@@aferrer74 this is what I’ve been saying! Thank you
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@@aferrer74 ABCDEFG, i.e., All Cap.
This is 🧢. There were FBA break spinners BEFORE Herc (and Herc even admits that).
MC Shan was always my favorite rapper I was raised in the Bronx even when I'm in the gym working out I listen to all his songs and anything that Spanish is black I know my history Puerto Rican history 💪💪
I love how transparent MC Shan is.. I had a good laugh at this. We need more of this in life these days.
He’s never afraid to speak his mind
Shan lookin like he's 80 years old
@@johnmancini4403 yeah man ,those drugs did him in, still love'em tho.
He sounds and looks like huggie brear! 😆😭
He's not aging well.
Blacks and Puerto Ricans rock 🪨 wit eachother in Connecticut hard , it’s alotta mix half black half Rican babies out here, big facts 🇺🇸🇨🇺💯🫡🫡🫡
Word. Kimberly Ave all day...
Haha, Props to Shan for not taking the race bait! EVERY hood I ever lived in had black, brown & white going through the same hunger pains- broke ain't got no color!
If you aint from the 70s or 80s you wouldnt understand, listen to what Shan is saying
FBA Delineation got yall trippin 😂
Exactly
S$&@ I’m from Philly we definitely get along with Puerto Ricans.
Thats because Philly PRs dont promote that "we created Hip-Hop too". bs..
Facts I agree with MC Shan, California is all Mexicans too, I miss the NewYork culture back home on the east coast, it’s nothing on the planet that has such a diverse & energetic atmosphere as NewYork cities culture.
@@frank-xp6pj N Y culture is dog chit every where culture
I grew up alongside Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Jamaicans. We thought we were all black. There has always been black, brown, and light akinmed people in the black community. When it came to the Latinos many were considered black people that spoke Spanish or patois
This is the most real take on the whole topic imo
They think dominicans are Puerto Rican
We Puerto Ricans and blacks got along he is making since
Thank you mc sham I respect your opinion because you were there and know what I’ve been saying being from the Bronx. African Americans did not like us Puerto’s Rican at all back in the days. We had to earn that through blood sweat and tears. And then we learned to get along and build beautiful things together. So I say this again if you’re not from the Bronx do not comment about hip hop.
Facts, if you ain't from Nyc period mind your business. They opinion don't matter
Im not from NYC and I agree, most these mfs dont know what they talking about
Triple OGs already cleared things up. Guru, creator of the Black Spades, DJ Phase, etc. Even Kool Herc admitted he nor his culture was involved in creating hip-hop. Even the Johnny come lately's like crazy legs admitted they copied " that Moreno style ". Dudes born in the 80s and 90s talking about "if you not from the Bronx blah blah blah. " 😂
scoreboardkeepers youtube channel the unsung Hip Hop Legend Dj Disco King Mario 1971 from North Carolina to Bronx, NY ( The Real Truth).
BA HH culture creation already existed among themselves. Racists Whyte and Latino gangs and were against BA and Black Spades had to protect their own BA people and their neighborhood.
@DJBigs s hut yo a ss up. Their was also mixed g an gs depending where you lived in the city
Old School❤❤❤❤God Bless MC SHAN! PUT RESPECT ON THIS MAN!!!!❤❤❤❤😊
Cholly rock , DJ phase and grand master Caz have stated during the seventies most blacks n Latinos didn’t get along some did!
Blacks didn't get along bro 😂, even now. This some divisive bullshit.
Blacks don't get along with their own kind lol
No one gets along totally with their own kind, in any group. Europeans launched 2 world wars against each other but they're still on code with each other. The US had the Civil War. Blk Americans created more musical genres than any people group in the history of the planet and did so in less than 175 years after emancipation from slvry. We weren't totally getting along then. It's human nature to have infighting. But we remain on code with each other. We are not on code with other groups. We did not and never have built anything in coalition with other groups immigrating here, especially not anything musical. We don't need any help with that one, Bro.
@@randted ok stop using the white man’s instruments then. Go and CREATE a snake skin drum and rap to it.
Facts Latinos were walking around NYC with Nazi patches on there jackets that why black people were calling them Germans
“ 🎶 Hip Hop was set out in the dark,They used to do it out in the park….🎶” 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Shan a legend ! I grew up in Boston. When Shan and krs1 stared beefing everybody payed attention
this si what that tariq nasheed is doing trying to divide blacks and puerto ricans . that clown.
Straight up!!!
He’s in the 50s in south Bronx blacks & Puerto Ricans were leaving together in the same neighborhood peacefully and respectfully.
@@xmontalvo1977facts. We never saw each other as being different
Tariq doesn’t know anything about New York culture and I don’t think most of us in NYC take him seriously. He’s bought and paid for by the white agenda to stoke division. And there’s a lot of fools falling for all his nonsense..
It doesn't matter what Tariq says. It's what the original Blk youths who were involved in the conceptualization of Hip Hop say. And they, and the first Puerto Ricans to become involved in Hip Hop, all admit it started with Blk Americans. But then it's no mystery. It's BLK American, FBA culture.
Im PR from the BX in my mid 40s now. I was never one to look at color or race as a thing. It was always your character. If u was a respectable person i rocked wit you so i was always around different kinds of people all the time. I was in a Jamaican neighborhood and most my friends were both rican and black and Jamaican
WORD SHAN!!!...MUCH RESPECT.
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Nobody is hating on African Americans then other African African Americans. That situation dominates other beefs between different ethnic groups. At MC Shan is speaking on was from a completely different time. Back in the 60s through the 80s, there was some tension but by the 90s, it got better and only got better from there. Shan said he doesn't know where the Puerto Ricans areas in the Atlanta area are, the majority of us are in Gwinnett, Cobb, Barrow, Bartow and Henry County. The biggest tension that I've seen growing up where between Puerto Ricans and Dominicans.
Straight OG knowledge!!
Everybody can play both sides but black people
Panda this is what you are for! Building Knowledge Wisdom and Understanding.
@@Paco.Oner07 umm all you do is come to my platform and hate on me typically
@@pandachopnews Huh? He gave you a very nice compliment!
1+2=3
Nah you don’t know on every other video this dude be hating on me 😂😂😂
@@pandachopnews He ain’t hating here tho🙂
Jewels are being dropped HEAVY!!! Mc Shan is the man!!! Bottom line!! You definitely won the life battle between you and krs-1 my brother your ethics are intact and your are spilling that truth for the youth !!!! 💪🏽💪🏽💯💯💯❤️🫡🫡🫡🫡🫡
@@CubanLink24K ayo Cuba, pun smiling down on you always!!!
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🫡🫡🫡 Cuban my bro
@@pandachopnews solid brother!!!
Peace
Raw truth! S/O to Mc Shan from Queensbridge. 💯
Mc Shan salute this brother spitting facts . Great interview
Thank you for watching 🫡💪🙏
MC Shan was NOT the one to interview for this topic. He is from Queensbridge. Which was predominantly Black American during his time. Queens period was NOT known for having much Puerto Ricans.
Yeah ur right more Dominicans and Columbians especially in corona
Queensbridge has some of the most racist black people . I used to work there for years .
I lived in Soundview in the 80s, my Highschool was like 50/50, 55/45 Black/Spanish. I moved to South Jamaica Queens and my new school was like 95/5 Black/Spanish.
Who said you had to stay in one neighborhood because you lived there. I'm from Brooklyn and I was in every borough in the 70's. You ever heard of graffiti? We used to ride trains all over the city to get up and most of the yards were in Brooklyn and the Bronx. We was NOT stuck in one place. Also everybody got family somewhere else that we visit in the city and the girls loved us because we was from the other side. That's why we kept coming back too. Lol
You guys trying to make a point without common sense. You wasn't there. You wasn't born yet. Things you know now was not like that then.
@@Mr_Brooklyn_Truth How old are you? How many teenagers in the 70s traveled all over the city? Very few.
MC Shan is speaking all facts, especially in this new and weird young generation. They all need to respect their elders and the Legends in Hip Hop👏🏻😤!
#RubbleKings
Panda's content is always official!
Appreciate the love bro 🫡
Grew up South BX.. true there were Ricans on one side and Blacks on another side stayed away from each other... BUT there was a middle where we grew up together... during the gang era, strict territorial boundaries... but the killing of Black Benjie of Ghetto Brothers and the GB choosing peace over revenge Boys Club meeting helped calm things down where one could hang out at a block party.. if you were there
you know.. Hip hop comes from Black American culture but Ricans came along..
@@pliniovillablanca2372 Black Benji. Ghetto bros was a mixed affiliate. That's all I want to say.
Yes. Nobody's ancestry participating in someone else's culture alters the culture. It's an iteration of Blk Culture. The mannerisms, etc., i.e., Blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, fashion are all Blk American, not to mention the musical forms. Nothing changes that.
...yep. Puerto Ricans came along later after it was created. They added their sauce to it.
Lies!!! There are old videos were both live together side by side in the south Bronx in 50s & 60 .. the beef was over drugs and territory.
@@xmontalvo1977 Please show us where to find those old videos. Then I'll show you some old black-and-white film of PR gang members admitting to the race based fights. I'll also show you where current PR's admit that whenever they went to Rikers, they sided with WS gangs against FBA. Stop lying. You only want to claim kumbaya to lay claim on our worldwide musical heritage, and it won't work. You're not Blk Americans. You only cosplay us.
Bingo! Hip Hop was not made togeher. BA created it and PR came later and assimilated into the BA culture that already existed and it was cool. It was never the other way around.
@@DJBigs FBA Former Black Africans
Bro what have you done for hip hop?
#RubbleKings no bingo 😅😅😅
#GhettoBrothers
#1971Bronxgangs
@@akaicruiseHe is Hip Hop by birth, not an interloper cosplaying it. Quit deflecting. What have you done for Plena? Oh yeah, you disregarded your heritage to assimilate to someone else's and then became mad at the backlash when you tried to plant your flag in their heritage. 🤔 💭 🤔
scoreboardkeepers youtube channel the unsung Hip Hop Legend Dj Disco King Mario 1971 from North Carolina to Bronx, NY ( The Real Truth).
Puerto Ricans always stick together no matter the differences.
LK.
I dont care what anyone says theres mad love between blacks and puerto ricans , yes theres ignorant people in all races but not everyone is the same, im Puerto Rican and i got black in my family and grew up with my black brothers and sister till this day we rock together. 💯 Facts
Missed that place South Bronx it was rough growing up there but it showed me how to stay sharp.. It was always about respect .
People didn’t get along with each other in the past MC Shan lying…
Gonna be a lot less tension once those flights start up.
A friend of mine is Puerto Rican and I'm Black, we've been cool since 79
Now we were all just friends 😂😂😂😂 nah nah not true
How old is MC Shan?..85 years old?...
I lived in the hood my entire life and they never got along, always had their own block. My kids are Puerto Rican, beautiful people 🇵🇷
You're italian stay out of it
Where did you grow up?
@ CT
Gotcha 🫡
@@pandachopnews 🫡
Miami native and grew up around Puerto Ricans as a black man no problems we was like family. 🫱🫲 And i can't forget my Dominican brothers also grew up around them too no problems. And i remember back in the '80s i used to hang with this dude was called the Puerto Rican kid from the bronx and he used break dance his ass off 😆
Let's not confuse the issue, if tension exists, it's bc others don't play their position. Black Americans created Hip Hop, P R.'s were the first other participants. End story, spread the glory!!!🇺🇲✊🏾🗽✊🏾💪🏾
I Don’t know any Puerto Ricans claiming the creation of Hip hop. That’s Joe and people in the industry and maybe a few nobodies talking shit. As far as the Puerto Rican community ain’t nobody saying that nor do they care. Ain’t no one kissing ass on either side and nobody from the Puerto Rican community is hijacking’s hip hop. Period!
@Blabla-i1m lets not act like Dr Colon and some others aint out there spewin.
Somebody please explain this...
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words)
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
Stop the cap. Puerto Ricans and Black carribean and Black Americans created hip hop in the south Bronx. The history can't be erased
@nycricanpapi name a PR original creator of any element of Hip-Hop. I'll wait.
Blacks & Rican's NYC = Hip-Hop from 1971 truce in the Bronx✌️
BA Hip Hop culture creation already existed in Bx NY before then. There are plenty of you tube channels that will debunked what you just stated.
Puerto Ricans voted for trump in record numbers....leave those people alone
@maomobile Pr are mostly Democrat. Stop spreading lies, more Black voted for Trump
scoreboardkeepers youtube channel the unsung Hip Hop Legend Dj Disco King Mario 1971 from North Carolina to Bronx, NY ( The Real Truth).
BA HH culture creation already existed before the truce.
@phildathrill777 I thought Kool Herc party in 1973 was the beginning of Hip Hop?
There was not a beef with Blacks and Puerto Ricans in LA. There were no Ricans around in the 70's and 80's. It was Blacks vs Mexicans.
What Shan is saying is what all the outta towners don’t get. If you not from NYC or the Northeast at minimum, you wouldn’t get it. SMH
Yes, the true guests in hip hop are the out of towners.
The FBA (lineage) on US soil since day 1 before America was called America. Every FBA are one with uniqueness that created every genres and dances that makes up the culture in America. FBA do not colonize locations like outsiders of the FBA culture. FBA are connected with each other, and embrace each others uniqueness although we may joke at each other= FBA ARE ALL ONE! Again, FBA families are connected with we each other all over the US. You outsiders bring that crazy division. FBA ARE ONE!
@@DJBigs if you not from NYC you can't speak on how the founding of hip hop was period. FBA from Atlanta has completely different culture from NYC and from Cali, vice versa.
@mixtapemania6769 Nonsense!! You are very uninformed about what culture is. FBA culture is one culture that is the basis of each iteration of FBA culture across the USA. A culture may adapt to varying circumstances within the environment, but the basic elements are the same. Since you don't really know our culture and have only been over here a hot 15 minutes, you would not understand that. Either that, or you are faking a move.
@@DJBigsYes, but they don't apply that division to PR. It's purposeful distortion. They are not a part of any instance of our culture wherever it is at. They are guests in Hip Hop and need to stop trying to plant their flag in our heritage. I know, it's hard being in proximity to worldwide phenomenal greatness, and it not really being yours. So, they attempt to appropriate it.
Not really but it can be tricky for black Latinos.
Im a New Yorker living in Georgia. There is no animosity prevalent between Blacks and Latinos here. New York is different in that there had been underlying tension between Latinos and Blacks, especially in jail/prison.
Disco king Mario..
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I tied telling these guys from the south that NY was different we were one, we gave each other that one strike rule. So it was different in all other states.
In NY, PR and Black American were not one. Did you just heard MC Shan from NY express the conflict between PR and BA. Stop telling the South and other States lies. There were no kumbaya. The FBA (lineage) on US soil since day 1 before America was called America. Every BA are one with uniqueness that created every genres and dances that makes up the culture in America. BA do not colonize locations like outsiders of the BA culture. BA are connected with each other, and embrace each others uniqueness although we may joke at each other= BA ARE ALL ONE! Again, BA families are connected with each other all over the US. You outsiders bring that crazy division. FBA ARE ONE!
@DJBigs it depended where you live in Nyc cuz some Pr aka Black was good friends growing up. But if you ain't from Nyc mind your business and stop gossiping like a biatch
@@DJBigsit depended where you live in Nyc cuz some Black and Pr was good friends growing up. But mind your business if you ain't from Nyc and stop gossiping like a b I *ch
Then why do yall kill each other like roaches...stop lying to yourselves
@@DJBigsit depends where you lived in Nyc cuz a lot Black and Pr was good friends growing up. Stop gossiping about somewhere you ain't from
Juice crew all 🌟 stars.......oh my goodness.
Puerto Ricans had more gangs . Than any other that’s crazy all do respect. To others gangs out there.
Respectfully Shan was feeding the narrative of Sloppy Joe prior. Shan stated along the lines FBA & Puerto Ricans shared Hip Hop 50/50 Shan even went to the extent to say Puerto Ricans were first in Jogging Suit and went on capping of their attire. I only remember Puerto Ricans first with the fat shoe laces in Shell Toes & Pumas. In Brooklyn neighborhood we’re clearly separated. FBA still were sprinkled in with them. Same as predominantly FBA neighborhoods Puerto Ricans were sprinkled in but there was clear division. Brooklyn mainly in Bushwick & Sunset Park is Puerto Ricans. I’m glad still he’s on this platform for Panda Bear to ask him in depth these questions for clarity but we can’t flip Flop with pioneers changing their stance respectfully
Shan speaking truth to the delusional fba
@@TheJayster571Let’s get real. You enjoyed all of 15 minutes notoriety in Hip Hop history, and that was mainly break dancing. That's all gone now. Your participation in Rap has been sparse and minimal.
If Rap had not taken off with FBA in the 80s, Hip Hop would have died out back then. Along with the ascendance of Rap came all that swagger, Blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, mannerisms, fashion, i.e., aesthetic. What is globally recognized and imitated is Rap and the Blk American Male aesthetic. You looking silly calling FBA's delusional while you are imitating the FBA male aesthetic, essentially cosplaying someone you are not. Who's really delusional here?!! 😎
@@randtedthat's a really high horse you're on. "Hip hop" referred to the energy of many of the urban, creative youth (brown AND black). WE didn't have much and it seemed that no one cared. The only thing that was there for US was our ingenuity, creativity, and desire. Practicing our arts was a fantastic distraction from all the turmoil and things that were out of our control happening to us.
Over time, while raising ourselves, we developed a deep sense of pride in our arts, styles, and values. The only thing that mattered to US was if you were dope and were a good friend.
At this time, most FBAs, nationally, had no idea what WE were doing and why it was so important to US. Anyone outside of the urban Northeast was looked at as "country"; meant as a derogatory term describing anyone, especially FBAs, that didn't understand US. This seems to apply and remain true, to this day.
Before rap was glorified/monetized/exploited, DJ's (the vibe-setters) were extremely valued and the musicality/dancing was prioritized. Ever wonder why the dopest parts of the songs (break beats/bridge) had no lyrics? Herbie Hancock even won a Grammy with a song that had no lyrics.
Rap stems from this energy. Some would argue that edm, freestyle, house, reggaeton, 90's r&b, etc... are also offspring of this energy which is multicultural.
Music is powerful. Our heartbeats play the drums all day. Our breath is rhythm. Our thoughts are freestyles. Our strides are dances.
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Tawk yo shiii legend!
Growing up in spanish harlem we had to fight racist black kids from the projects. they used to try and jump us lol but had no hands. Rican and blacks for the most part got along but we have our differences. we have the same upbringings in nyc and dealt with the same racist shiiit. remember the young lords used to help the black panthers. Bloods and Latin kings united. In nyc i would say Ricans and blacks were the closest out of any other groups in nyc.
@@robertjackson7451 In the 80’s i used to work with my pops at JHS 45 on 1st ave and E 120. All my years there i saw no problems, everyone in the community got along. Shout out to sloppy Joes on 1st ave with the best BEC
The Blacks and PuertoRicans together to fight against the Italian and Irish ☘️
They still trying to quiet McShane!! Shane always spitting facts..👌💪
Who is Shane?
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They was kicking rhymes in mary poppins, and wizard of oz
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Og MC
Love mc shan im 60 Bronx Boy TBB crew I always said i like Duke My Bronx boys would give me sĥĥhhhiiiii. But talent is takent hes speaking complete 1000 im a light skin Rican all in hip hop as teenager facts 183
It all boils down to segregation. NYC wasn't segregated like other cities.
The ogs in the streets started rapping & learning the business too because it's a way out & easy now why deal with a youngin when you can make it yourself especially the hustlers
Like I said back then it was mainly r&b in Latin music
Rivalry were more about respect than about race!!! In my opinion....
The four elements of hip hop culture. Rapping, D.J'ing, Break Dancing and Graffiti. Two of these elements were cultivated and elevated in the Bronx. Kool Herc, Grand Wizard Theodore etc... All from the Bronx. Black people were rapping waaay before 1973. Listen to Pigmeat Markham "hear comes the judge" and waaay before that the Jubillairs were spitting bars in the 40's. Graffiti comes from the greek word "graphein" which means to write and also from the Italian word "graffiato" which means to scratch so we damn sure didn't create something that's not even our damn language lol. Tagging, Bombing, throwin up pieces, we can call it whatever but just bcuz we did it a little different doesn't mean we created it. Now poppin and lockin and breakin that's definitely a Bronx thing even tho there are literally hip hop dance moves that Sammy Davis Jr. and his dad was doin before there was a thing called hip hop. I'm from the Bronx and went to A.E. Smith Vocational H.S. the same H.S. Herc went to and I think this whole argument is stupid. Trump is back in office, people are building flying cars, A.I quantum computers are cracking codes that are supposed to be uncrackable and we're at each other's throats over this nonsense.
@davidengland5314 Ummm, no, on a couple of things. Pop Locking originated on the West Coast with Don Campbell. Also, it doesn't matter what else is going on in the world. What does that have to do with what people do with their leisure time? As if people are not going to engage in distractions because of the things you mentioned going on right now. All humans everywhere under all circumstances throughout history have engaged in distractions, pastimes, or leisurely activities, if not mere moments of leisure that they could steal.
Try googling the leisurely things and pastimes, for instance, that US citizens engaged in during WW I or II. Try reading The Diary of Anne Frank. It's nonsense to think that people will not engage in their pastimes because of events going on in the world. It is basic human nature. What?! Are we supposed to sit in the dark with cover over our heads, shaking in our boots until it's over. 😆
You know, if you don't like that this conversation is being had, just say that. Don't use irrelevant things to bolster it. You can also skip it the next time. And, yes, this is an important discussion to have, regardless.
It's so crazy what's happening now. Hip-Hop was supposed to unite us minorities but now it's just unsettling divisive. NY should have kept it to themselves
@@ceades75 wtf said hip hop was to unite minorities??!!! That’s bs
@sAgA1012-c7f how old are you son?
@@ceades75boy I’m 42. Hip hop was not created to unite minorities . Thats what other minorities say so they can be included in what blacks invented
Hip Hop was not created to unite minorities. It was then and is now an expression of Blk American culture that became popular, as some much of FBA culture has done the past century, which these other groups gravitated to and bit off of. And I am older than Hip Hop, by the way. This notion that whatever is ours is everybody's is a c-nizrs mentality.
Somebody please explain this...
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words)
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
El barrio!
Can't Puerto ricans be black and white or indigenous?
"Hip hop" referred to the energy of many of the urban, creative youth (brown AND black). WE didn't have much. It seemed that no one cared. The only thing that was there for US was our ingenuity, creativity, and desire. Practicing our arts was a fantastic distraction from all the turmoil around US. Things that were out of our control. We were desperate for guidance.
Over time, while raising ourselves, we developed a deep sense of pride in our arts, styles, and values. The only thing that mattered to US was if you were dope and were a good friend.
At this time, most FBAs, nationally, had no idea what WE were doing and why it was so important to US. Anyone outside of the urban Northeast was looked at as "country"; meant as a derogatory term describing anyone, especially FBAs, that didn't understand US, which seems to apply and remain true, to this day.
Before rap was glorified/monetized/exploited, DJ's (the vibe-setters) were extremely valued and the musicality/dancing was the priority. Ever wonder why the dopest parts of the songs (break beats/bridge) had no lyrics? Herbie Hancock even won a Grammy with a song that had no lyrics.
Rap, just one of the elements, stems from this eclectic, multicultural, melting-pot of energy. Some would argue that edm, freestyle, house, reggaeton, 90's r&b, new jack swing, etc... are also offspring of this energy.
It's disheartening to see what happened to OUR culture. We've lost our way. Dividing OUR people with these idiotic arguments, for what?? Recognition? Legacy? Money? Power? Respect?
We've become exactly what we've despised; the Wetiko.
Music is omnipresent. Our heartbeats play the drums. Our breath is rhythm. Our thoughts are freestyles. Our strides are dances.
...and it's meant to be enjoyed and shared.
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Yo! People really riding this BS of Joe! Stop ur BS PR and Black American have always been tight. And I am afro Hispanic.
People that don't know shit about the East have to listen to the propaganda! Bro, this clown up here said Mexican like 10 times. Non related to Puerto Ricans. He doesn't know what the F he is. Talk about some factual shit. Keep it real, and don't get sloppy like Joe!
You don’t think having these conversations help dispel those narratives that there were always issues?
@pandachopnews PR never claim Joe. He has always low Key shit on PR. That is where I am coming from. And I hope your content shows that. It is not a PR and Black issue. It is a Joe issue.
When people in the states talk PR especially in regards to hip hop they don’t mean people literally from Puerto Rico that live there still. They mean Nuyoricans or ones that live in the states.
Puerto Rico has a large black population with deep roots so it should be a big family.
The Ghetto Brother were Mostly Puerto Rican. Black Benji was African American
Yo, I just learned this. And the sources are ridiculous (nps.gov and Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture). You might find this interesting...
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words)
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
CAN We ALL Admit HIP HOP was a UNIFIER!?!?🤔🤔🤔
To me shan is hard to understand sometimes. blacks and puerto ricans where In the same gang in the bronx this wasn't Really happening across America that's the difference
@@juicepedraz941 Respectfully even if true now the 90’s or 80’s it wasn’t the case in the early seventies in NYC. Why does this make people uncomfortable to tell the whole truth?
@@alstone5005the savage nomads and the savage skulls were 2 bronx gangs that had blacks and puertoricans members in the early 70s. Check out the documentary 80 Blocks from Tiffany where you see black americans and puertoricans together.
@ Two integrated gangs in a city of hundreds of gangs having fights along racial lines proves what exactly Sir? I am very well aware of those gangs but in hearing from the multitude of gangs it doesn’t take a genius to understand NYC was NOTHING like it is today in unity. This is true outside of NYC exponentially more.
@@DominicanManowarFan Just for understanding those two gangs you mentioned never claimed to be the start of hip hop or hip hop related? Meaning the only integrated gangs you can find with Blacks and Ricans weren’t doing hip hop? You do more to prove the point in addressing those couple integrated gangs
That's like saying the j3ws and the N@zis were on the same side. While some j3ws did work with the n@zis, we understand that the gist of the relationship was not buddy buddy. PS - were there FBA in the Puerto Rican gang? Just asking out of curiosity.
The Biggest Lie is Trying to Pretend that We Were All Just One Big Happy Family! Sure Hip Hop Helped to Bring Us Together, But All the Puerto Rican Pioneers of Hip Hop Have Repeatedly Said that their Family and Friends Would Ask Them Why Are They Messing With That "Jungle Music". Panda Why Don't You Ever Bring Up What Charlie Chase, Ruby Dee, and Batch etc... Said about Blacks Creating Hip Hop and How They Received Push Back From Other Puerto Ricans? The Young PRs Today Are Nothing Like the First Puerto Ricans in Hip Hop. SMH
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You acting like the older black folks just embraced hip hop 😂 AND like y'all were just kumbaya holding hands and shit and not fighting each other LMAO 🤣 FOH.
@@truemastermusic4831 Bro Not every one gets along. He's telling the truth. Where is the smoke for the Jews. They own your shit Stupid.
Facts
@wayofthekodiak3118 Comparing the tension that occurs because of a generation gap with that which exists between separate people groups is a false equivalency. Older Blk Americans have practically always had an issue with how younger generations expressed the culture. That includes every one of the prolific musical genres created by Blk Americans. Each succeeding genre was the result of the next generation farther evolving the musical tradition in their own manner.
In fact, that generation gap dynamic is found within all people groups. So that's really a very weak point. And one thing for sure, no elder Blk American is going to call any iteration or reiteration of Blk American music "Jungle Bunny" music. That slur would only come from someone from outside with obvious issues with race.
Besides, no matter who didn't like Hip Hop in the Blk American community, it did not and does not change it from being the latest and logical progression of Blk American musical evolution. It is Blk American, aka, FBA, culture hands down. Precedents for it are not found in any other culture. Whenever anyone across the planet thinks of Hip Hop, the imagine that overwhelmingly comes to mind is that of a Blk American, particularly an FBA male. And rightly so. His identity is expressed in all the swagger, blaccent, vernacular, slang/lingo, mannerisms, and fashion. Black Americans are at the forefront of their cultural productions just like members of other groups are at the forefront of their own. And that's not going to change. You don't see us out there trying to excel above Hispanics in their cultural forms. We don't need to do that. We're thoroughly content with our own unique musical journey.
There is no beef just jealousy and envy we are the culture and they are not ..the end
Somebody please explain this...
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became one of the founding members of the group, The Last Poets, with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The Last Poets focused on Black pride by blending elements of poetry, jazz, soul, and Latin music. Luciano spearheaded the fusion of spoken word and music that initiated a new wave of spoken word poetry in salsa. The group would often perform and record alongside salsa musicians, infusing their poetry with clave." -NPS.GOV, (Felipe Luciano and the power of words)
"In 1968, Felipe Luciano (Puerto Rican) became a founding member of the original Last Poets with Gylan Kain and David Nelson. The trio of New York-based performers emphasized a black re-awakening and were the subject of Herbert Danska’s 1970 documentary Right On!. The Last Poets influenced hip-hop, jazz, and spoken word." -Smithsonian's National Museum of African American History & Culture
Latin jazz Latin soul ok doesn't mean Latinos created the genre contributed yes but not created just like hip hop Latinos contributed later on but not create 50/50 stop it we created damn near every genre of music in this country never needed any group help to do so the last poets that's a reach by the way at this point it would be easier for Latinos to create a genre of music something you haven't done yet in this country let's start there what genre of anything have Puerto Ricans created ?and I bet he was a darker Puerto Rican that cos played black and didnt bring anything from Latin culture that was popular back then btw and Latin music back then sounded like circus music Cubans make better music and always have
@thuttwheet8276 Facts! Only the blk-skinned PR's were invited into our organizations or music groups, etc., back in the day, on the strength they were Blk. The Last Poets were all blk-skinned poets. It was a part and a product of the Black Power Movement. It had nothing to do with Felipe but everything to do with Black. And Felipe was not a founding member of the group. You can see him on an interview admitting that, and nowhere else, other than that article is he credited as a founder. The truth is, these PR's already know he was not a founder. This poster is capitalizing on the error in this article, i.e., gaslighting.
Oh yeah, PR's don't create musical genres. They have a documented history of taking over other people's creations. In some cases, they grew to dominate in them, e.g., Salsa, Reggaeton. But that didn't happen with Hip Hop. Essentially, their significant or most notable involvement was with the breakdancing. And that came and went in a flash. Now all they have is this attempt, 50-something years later, to claim co-creation in order to stay relevant. But creating Hip Hop is not why FBA's stayed relevant. It's because it is Blk Culture, and the Blk American identity is stamped on it, i.e., Blaccent, swagger, fashion style, mannerisms, musical style, slang. Ain't nobody walking around here talking and acting Blk in something they helped create. 😆
This man is the Truth!!! Wow!!! He is the voice of NYC!!! Damn! I’m giving it up to my OG MC Shan! I’m shutting tf up
there is no puerto rican and black tension live bx right now what the f are you talking about i live in the jamaican and dominican hood and everybody respects each other ya really want a face why ???
Who said he’s talking about right now? He’s talking about in the past. When you look online so many people are talking about the tensions that existed in the past so I’m asking him for clarity
@ oh ok that’s what im saying because i’m living here now theres no tension
@@pandachopnewsy’all gonna start a lot of problems with this Latins vs FBA . The internet is garbage , n honestly this was all pushed by trump n the corn balls who support him .
It’s not starting problems. Shan’s message was confirming that there were some differences but they were cool too. There are some people right now pushing a narrative that all Latinos are racist or they never liked black people. The more we have these conversations that may be uncomfortable the more likely we can unify each other and move forward.
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The Spanish words & accent he did in the beginning of the video is Dominican not Puerto rican. Lol. It's all good though. Shan is a legend. Stay healthy OG
Sounds p.r to me
The South is still trying to catch up.
2:53 cap #RubbleKings
Bronx gangs were mixed also #1971BronxGangs
This video title is a lie. There is no Puerto Rican tension against blacks.. everybody is trying to get in on this topic! I ain't even gonna watch this video because this topic is old already, and Puerto Ricans already agree that blacks created hip hop.. move on to the next topic, please.
The video title is not a lie. Not all Puerto Ricans have said that blacks are the creators. There are a lot that still believe they are co-creators. Don't comment on something you not gonna even watch. Why even click the video? You just wasted your time. smh
@pandachopnews the only Puerto Ricans that are claiming co-creators are rappers or celebrities.. and they are getting paid to say this.. I DONT TRUST RAPPERS OR CELEBRITIES.. I am Puerto Rican so I know what I'm talking about when I say that the Puerto Rican people are not trying to steal hip hop!!! WE DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THAT... do you think we are stupid?.. everyone knows blacks created hihop..you guys are paying attention to fat joe hahaha he's a moron and even the Puerto Rican community knows it so yeah.. I think alot of people just want to start podcasts using this topic but like I said the PR people are not trying to steal credit for hip hop..AND THATS A FACT!!
@@pandachopnewsI watched enough of the video to see that shan is not accurate in his account.. I lived in NYC in the 70s 80s & 90s so I know first hand of how things went down.. but everyone is putting there two sense in and all this is gonna do is push Puerto Ricans away from hip hop.. its already happening. Because of all this bickering Hip hop will be something that only black people listen too soon. Just like only white people listen to country.. I used to be very proud of being apart of hip hop, not as creators but as cultivators and now I'm growing to dislike it because of this nonsense.. its damn shame.
MC Shan is from Queensbridge. The Bronx is a totally different animal.
DJ Charlie Chase said in an interview that he fought hard not physically fought but he fought hard to be apart of black music culture and Charlie Chase is not his government name did you know
@dprice4590 do u mean Charlie Chazz from queens Dyamic rockers n his brother Sugar bear?
Smh ive been in jail an prison with them its always the same one or two we all cool soon as they get they numbers up here we go