SIMULATION in FUSION 360: IMPROVE the STRENGTH of your 3D prints!

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  • Опубліковано 15 вер 2018
  • Learn how to use Finite Element Simulation in Fusion 360 to optimize the strength of your parts!
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  • @danko6582
    @danko6582 4 роки тому +169

    Dear UA-cam, please base my recommendations on this video. This is exactly what I want to see more of.

    • @mRcOOL5YO
      @mRcOOL5YO 4 роки тому +11

      Dear Dan Ko, your request have been registered and saved in the recor......wops, dropped it. We will instead recommend you "This week with John Oliver" and "Mr Tfue" videos with a direct wormhole to both "Keeping up with the Kardashians" and "Instant regret" playlist, Kind regards - Yotbe, probably.

    • @witgangyounotube287
      @witgangyounotube287 4 роки тому

      yeah and you will see this video recommended over and over instead of newer video's from same channel:/ i've watched this channel for a long time yet this video only now popped up in the side list after watching some other 3d print related stuff..also on my youtube recommandation page are only video's i've watched or a good 90% of them..epic fail..

    • @Nellosphere
      @Nellosphere 4 роки тому +3

      You could always subscribe and turn on notifications to this channel and
      💥!! DESTROY!!💥 the like button on all of his videos.

    • @HowsItHappening
      @HowsItHappening 2 роки тому

      Fingerbang that like button, it helps sometimes.

    • @lukeandliz
      @lukeandliz Рік тому

      ​@@mRcOOL5YO the benefit is 3 years later, you forget you saw the video and get to watch it again🤣

  • @3DPrintingNerd
    @3DPrintingNerd 5 років тому +429

    Very informative! Thank you very much for this, Stefan!

    • @nobocks
      @nobocks 5 років тому +17

      better than your shit channel especially you are full time on it !

    • @103798
      @103798 5 років тому +3

      Hey drunky, how's your nose?

    • @Anonymouspock
      @Anonymouspock 5 років тому +12

      LOL it's not that he's drunk, it's some actual medical condition as he's mentioned in some Q&A.

    • @DogsBAwesome
      @DogsBAwesome 5 років тому +13

      Nobock
      really!!! I bet you are fun at parties, oh wait you don't get invited.

    • @nobocks
      @nobocks 5 років тому +5

      Don't attack this guy in person, just his content, thank you !

  • @mirzacenanovic
    @mirzacenanovic 5 років тому +81

    Love to see proper engineering applied to design! As you have pointed out, the MAIN introduction of error in the approximation is the assumption about the boundary conditions and of course material properties, PLA under load behaves highly non-linear and, as pointed out, the FDM technology causes the resulting material to behave anisotropically.
    This means that these tools cannot and should not be used for analyzing absolute stress distribution or decision making due to absolute stresses. That said, comparative studies can be carried out.
    Your discussions about proper boundary conditions are superb! Keep up the good work! The makers world needs more high quality videos like this.

    • @FBPrepping
      @FBPrepping 5 років тому

      Border conditions can be assessed by destructive testing, while taking in account and adding to the database the conditions the 3d printed part was made. Although that testing is not made under any industry standard, it is valuable data though, because it considers the worst case, real life scenario.

  • @adamluter
    @adamluter 5 років тому +62

    CNC Kitchen continues to grow and blossom! Excellent video, you are a real hero of the community!

  • @alexandrevaliquette1941
    @alexandrevaliquette1941 5 років тому +5

    THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT I WAS HOPING FOR!!!
    I had to learn about stress analysis in Fusion 360 for my 3d printing designs.
    It will confirm my intuition before starting a print!
    I will be able to compare design A vs B vs C vs D and only print the two bests ones!!!!
    Thank you so much Stephan
    Alex from Québec, Canada

  • @android4cg
    @android4cg 5 років тому +8

    One of the best professional 3d printing channel on UA-cam. Great!

  • @JohnOCFII
    @JohnOCFII 5 років тому +1

    Stefan - that was fantastic! I learned quite a bit watching this video. Thanks for taking the time to share!

  • @fataxe1
    @fataxe1 5 років тому +11

    I'd love to see Joel do a video himself where he makes simulations himself. It's always useful to have another set of eyes from a different background for design problems like this. 3d printing has been an interesting area where you don't need engineering to make things work, but learning tools from the engineering tool box can help you so much.

  • @CreeperInDisguise
    @CreeperInDisguise 5 років тому +45

    Ah, I love these kinds of videos, I always learn something new! Keep up the great work Stefan!

  • @MiklaDfar
    @MiklaDfar 3 роки тому +4

    As a previous engineer pretty familiar with FEM (ANSYS) you did an EXCELLENT job with this video. Not sure about Fusion but you could have simulated the wall with a fixed constraint to not allow movement in the -X direction on the back of the support surface. Also, you might want to include design constraints such as being able to easily mount the bracket. For instance, your design makes it very difficult to securely attach that center and bottom hole with a Phillip's screw as the bracket would impede the screwdriver. Love that fact you correlated the analysis results with actual testing.

  • @MarionMakarewicz
    @MarionMakarewicz 5 років тому

    I'm glad you did this video. It's very helpful to learn how to make your parts stronger. When Joel first did his brackets, it was pretty clear that they weren't the best design. Simply looking at rafters for roof construction demonstrates an optimal design of a truss. Regardless, I did appreciate the basic idea of making shelf brackets for my filament rolls. They work great.

  • @valgov3001
    @valgov3001 5 років тому

    Nice to see an engineer's perspective. I had no idea the simulation in fusion 360 was on this level. I'll definitely be using this going forward!

  • @deanallenjones
    @deanallenjones 5 років тому +12

    Joel the 3d Printing Nerd was right to send me here. You have much to teach me

  • @trashblob
    @trashblob 5 років тому +1

    Thats really cool! I did not know about this Feature.
    I have to play with this a little bit later!

  • @engineeredaf1920
    @engineeredaf1920 5 років тому +14

    What a great video!! I'm so glad you included the lesson about the FEA constraints at the end! This has the greatest influence on the analysis results.
    I think normally, fixed supports for bolt holes is not a good assumption because they should allow free rotation with linear support at bolt head(Fixed support makes part artificially stiffer) But looks like your failure correlated well!

  • @EvanRisk
    @EvanRisk 5 років тому +27

    When you added the friction less surface to the back of the bracket I immediately shook my head. Then you added a note all was good.

    • @haythamhakla
      @haythamhakla 4 роки тому +2

      Im not too familiar with stress analysis, but could you explain what is the issue with the frictionless surface assumption?

    • @rikdol
      @rikdol 3 роки тому

      @@TheGoodoftheLand The problem with commenters like yourself, is that you don't take time to listen to information in the actual video, and rather bash a comment you don't agree with. Or, in this case, defend a stupid question. Because the reason why "using a friction less surface is bad" , is given directly after he applied it in the video @9:53. Just because you don't know about a topic, doesn't mean no one does.

    • @haythamhakla
      @haythamhakla 3 роки тому +5

      @@rikdol This is an informative video for the general public. People like myself watch an learn from it. The question I asked may sound stupid from the point of view of someone who is more familiar with the topic, but for me, it is totally reasonable. I watched the entire video and the reference @9:53 still didn't clear my confusion about this point so I was proactive and asked for clarification.
      If you know better, please go ahead and explain this point.

    • @rikdol
      @rikdol 3 роки тому +4

      @haytham hakla a frictionless surface will be unable to move away from the wall. Earlier in the video ( @1:50, look closely to the bottom part) it shows that the part is bending. When a surface is set to be frictionless, it will be unable to move during a stresstest. So a test like this for stress and bending or warping of material under high load, won't be realistic. Another example of the part moving away from the wall is @20:00, circled in red..

    • @haythamhakla
      @haythamhakla 3 роки тому +1

      @@rikdol Thanks for clarifying

  • @steelmilkjug
    @steelmilkjug 5 років тому +7

    Great video! You said the KEY POINT in Engineering/Design/Analytics: "If your assumptions are off, your results will be garbage".

    • @joscythe556
      @joscythe556 4 роки тому +1

      There's so much more to FEM than people think. I dare to say it's one of the most underestimated parts of engineering, because people assume that "pretty colorful images" guarantee accurate and realistic results. Even if you choose the right load case and boundary conditions you might still use the wrong element type or solver and get numerical artifacts without even knowing ( if you don't know what to look for).

  • @chibani_gl
    @chibani_gl 5 років тому

    Thanks for this really informative video. The simulation tool is my next go-to. Thanks again.

  • @LukePettit3dArtist
    @LukePettit3dArtist 5 років тому

    Many of us pointed Joel to your video on this subject when he was making those brackets :-) On his second video on it he mentioned you and that video. I'm so happy you are doing a follow up to it. Thank you.

  • @hectorsamuelgarcia4384
    @hectorsamuelgarcia4384 5 років тому

    Good video, I love your videos using stress analysis and optimization from Fusion 360.

  • @ikbendusan
    @ikbendusan 5 років тому +11

    this video drove me to support you on patreon. keep it up mate

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 років тому +2

      Thanks, your support is highly appreciated!

  • @DigChaos
    @DigChaos 5 років тому

    Excellent video Stefan. Loving Fusion360, can't believe its free!

  • @vincentbarkley9121
    @vincentbarkley9121 2 роки тому

    Another terrific video. Thank you.

  • @yeroca
    @yeroca Рік тому

    This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for, thanks! I am new to mechanical design, but had heard of FEA in the past, and wondered how difficult it would be to use for designing my functional parts.

  • @demacherius1
    @demacherius1 5 років тому +3

    Now that was a useful lunchtime at work.
    I now need to find a use for my new knolege

  • @westmc45
    @westmc45 5 років тому

    I use this all the time since I am a mechanical engineer its a very nice program to test your design

  • @itgschumpfaischgnuagloabat2058
    @itgschumpfaischgnuagloabat2058 5 років тому +5

    Hi Stefan. Danke für deine Videos. Du machst das sehr sympathisch, vermutlich weil du mich an meine nerdness erinnerst.

  • @gadget2622
    @gadget2622 5 років тому

    Extremely informative and interesting video. Cheers!

  • @OiDepp
    @OiDepp 5 років тому +2

    Ich weis nicht was besser ist - der Inhalt, oder die Machart und die Umsetzung der Videos. Ich denke, weil hier alles in jeder Hinsicht perfekt ist :) i love it, you get a Hug & a Kiss :D

  • @sergarlantyrell7847
    @sergarlantyrell7847 2 роки тому

    Just watched one on topology optimisation and all the way through was thinking 'Sort your boundary conditions out!"... Nice to see him come back to that at the end of this video.

  • @flantc
    @flantc 5 років тому

    Wow! That was great! Very informative!

  • @joetke
    @joetke 5 років тому +3

    OMG! Noch einmal! The German engineering excellence is not a myth! Rigorous demo. Love it. Thanks a lot Stefan! I used to work in Lahr, Germany, 50 km away from Strasbourg where I live. I did appreciate the seriousness of German engineers (IT sectors) but never understood their humor - still wondering whether it exists ;) - my German language knowledge being so wanting...

  • @datta3ya
    @datta3ya 4 роки тому

    amazing man that was very clear and I have got a good picture on how to validate with real testing Thanks

  • @WayofWood
    @WayofWood 5 років тому +3

    Very interesting topic and well done video!

  • @ELEKTROGOWK
    @ELEKTROGOWK 5 років тому

    That is a great result!! That is way enough for a bookshelf or what so ever.

  • @CalebDiT
    @CalebDiT 5 років тому +2

    Oooh, you got some o' that stronger, yellow filament! Nice!
    If it's possible in Fusion 360, make sure your fillets are curvature continuous, otherwise there might be imperceptible discontinuities that can be treated like cracks.
    Another important thing to consider is controlling the failures. If a failure at spot X would be dangerous, but a failure at spot Y would be safe, make sure there's a higher probability of failure at Y.

  • @memnarch1113
    @memnarch1113 5 років тому

    Thanks so much! The simulation stuff is really scary to jump right in, but you make it look easy.

  • @3DThird
    @3DThird 5 років тому

    Love your work!!! Thank you 😊

  • @user-qx7tm5df8j
    @user-qx7tm5df8j 5 років тому +12

    10 sekunden das video geguckt > nachgeschaut wo der channel ist > deutschland > wusste ichs doch :D

  • @mspacone
    @mspacone 5 років тому

    Nice video mate! Thank you!

  • @davidlenz4552
    @davidlenz4552 5 років тому

    Fascinating video! I have already identified ways I can incorporate this in my workflow. The real danger is getting to the point where I’m over-engineering my shop furniture!

  • @ChitosVids
    @ChitosVids 5 років тому +1

    Awesome!! love this. I need to learn how to design better parts. this is great!!

  • @Chikimingo
    @Chikimingo 5 років тому +1

    awesome video, thanks!

  • @gth042
    @gth042 5 років тому

    Thank you for sharing this tutorial! I can now get even further over my head resulting in even more fun :) I hope you get feeling better soon. Worst case, punt: extra spicy doner kebap, chips with extra paprika, and a whole bottle of rot trocken... unless you have chicken soup over there.

  • @JackZimmermann
    @JackZimmermann 5 років тому

    Great stuff! Must learn simulation in Fusion360.

  • @SwissplWatches
    @SwissplWatches 4 роки тому

    great video, thank you so much!

  • @MrTigerpirro
    @MrTigerpirro 5 років тому +2

    +CNC Kitchen
    I would like to see you try adding a thin section in the middle (like an I beam) with strengthened "cutouts" for the screws instead of thickening the material. If you print from the base and up this should avoid having to add support material.

  • @Mottersmotters
    @Mottersmotters 5 років тому

    Nice work Stefan 👍🤘

  • @hervemarie966
    @hervemarie966 5 років тому

    Awesome. really interresting. Thanks a lot.

  • @aDarkSeoul
    @aDarkSeoul 5 років тому +1

    Excellent topic!

  • @hillfortherstudios2757
    @hillfortherstudios2757 2 роки тому

    I think it would be interesting to see a generative design and how it would compare during this analysis. Thanks a lot for the video Stefan! Good Job!

  • @runforitman
    @runforitman 5 років тому

    I don’t know why, but I love this so much; the concept of being able to optimise through software

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 років тому

      Welcome to the world of CAE (Computer Aided Engineering)

  • @fugixi
    @fugixi 4 роки тому

    Nice video!
    I love these.
    Did you ever test the revised version at the end of this video?

  • @ACota-dk9qw
    @ACota-dk9qw 5 років тому

    Awesome video.

  • @Sir_Baraon
    @Sir_Baraon 5 років тому

    Really motivative to try the features in F360 on my own now, thanks! ;-)

  • @flubba86
    @flubba86 5 років тому +32

    I love playing with the stress analysis features in Fusion 360, and this was a very interesting video. But I am disappointed that the end result was "make it thicker", I was hoping you'd do some kind of automatic structural optimisation. You don't need finite state analysis to tell you that a thicker part can take higher load then the original.

    • @EPortillo5000
      @EPortillo5000 5 років тому +25

      Well the analysis tell you where to make it thicker and where is not needed.

  • @ronmac1832
    @ronmac1832 3 роки тому

    Very useful video! I'm always curious about exceeding material strength in compression for malleable materials. Our PhD analyst is always asking me to beef up areas exceeding yield in compression, but it has been awhile since I've seen material compressed to failure. Thank you!

  • @stevensexton5801
    @stevensexton5801 5 років тому

    Excellent video!

  • @Sam-ch4jh
    @Sam-ch4jh 5 років тому

    Thanks a lot.
    I have seen topology optimisation in comsol multi physics, not aware about fusion 360.

  • @jacksonpat6624
    @jacksonpat6624 5 років тому +2

    wow ive never seen a video of yours before at least 1,000 vies!!
    great video!!

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 років тому +1

      Just hit the bell icon and you will be reminded of new videos at the point of release 😉

  • @jarrod-smith
    @jarrod-smith 5 років тому

    Great video thank you.

  • @victorforslund4047
    @victorforslund4047 5 років тому +5

    Great video but I have a suggestion.
    This is basically "euler bernoulli beam theory"
    By increasing the area of inertia the structural strength increases.
    You can test this by flexing a ruler. The side with the greater inertia is harder to flex.
    My suggest is that the middle support in the triangle should be flipped 90 degrees to increase its inertia.
    But anyways this was a great solution and a great video

    • @nono9370
      @nono9370 4 роки тому

      Victor Forslund hard to print if you want it to remain in the middle

  • @stevesloan6775
    @stevesloan6775 5 років тому

    Great work!
    All the simulated shapes reminds me of engine conrods.🤓
    Is there a follow up video??

  • @fraserdaniel3999
    @fraserdaniel3999 4 роки тому +1

    In my limited knowledge, I have learnt that different printing parameters change the properties of the final part. Does the simulation take all of that into account?

  • @JockeSelin
    @JockeSelin 5 років тому +1

    Thank you!!

  • @cigp
    @cigp 5 років тому

    very handy , thanks!

  • @RJMaker
    @RJMaker 5 років тому

    Fantastic! I would love to see the stress numbers of a standard (.04) printed part.

  • @MakenModify
    @MakenModify 5 років тому

    Great rundown on a pretty hard topic :D FEM was definitely not the easiest thing when studying 😅

  • @dejanjonic2592
    @dejanjonic2592 3 роки тому

    I love your videos, we all learn something new from them. Correct me if i am wrong but your test scenario here is more suited for hanger and not shelf bracket. Shelf bracket should have load concentrated on the middle of horizontal part (if you simplify it with one force) or distributed evenly over entire length of horizontal part of the bracket. You would get other results then.
    In any case awesome video and a lot learned about fusion 360

  • @davidhoughton9730
    @davidhoughton9730 5 років тому

    Newbie question : What settings do you use to slice this in Cura 3.6.0. I have tried to slice it but is shows a top and bottom layer covering the whole bracket...Many thanks DaveH

  • @frijoli9579
    @frijoli9579 4 роки тому

    Cool video. This is the difference between brute force engineering vs mathematical. They both work. One is typically quicker to market, and the other just works.

  • @Deqster
    @Deqster 5 років тому +13

    Adding a very minor relief cut on the back surface of the bracket near the bottom screw would allow you to create a small constraint surface just at the bottom corner. This would prevent unrealistic results due to constraining the entire surface.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 років тому +1

      True!

    • @Deqster
      @Deqster 5 років тому +5

      @@CNCKitchen love your channel by the way, especially your methodical but garage-doable testing regiments! Also your video on heat resistance testing of various materials led me to be able to powder coat PLA! More on that another time

  • @paulmarinis6069
    @paulmarinis6069 5 років тому

    Hello Stefan! Nicely explained!
    Maybe you could add a fixed contraint in a small area just at the back of the 3 bolts also without the frictionless support.

  • @thoperSought
    @thoperSought Рік тому

    that's amazing

  • @Nellosphere
    @Nellosphere 4 роки тому

    Loving the content and the engineering explanations.
    What's your favorite printer?
    Will you ever use a DLP printer?

  • @BaristaPablo
    @BaristaPablo 5 років тому

    im nerding out so hard right now

  • @tarekt.4008
    @tarekt.4008 5 років тому +2

    Super Video 😁👍🏼 Dein letztes Video mit der Typografie-Analyse hat mir echt geholfen für mein Druck.

  •  5 років тому

    Very good video Stefan. Can you do show us how to do a similar analysis using FreeCAD?. Keep up the good work!

  • @fabiomenegattidemelo3846
    @fabiomenegattidemelo3846 4 роки тому

    Congratulations for your work! Have you considered increase the area moment of inertia of the lower member instead of just increase its thickness. I mean, you could try designing a "T" cross section, for example. That would reduce the normal stress at the lower member while keeping a lower mass. Again, nice work!

  • @kesterbelgrove818
    @kesterbelgrove818 5 років тому

    CNCKitchen; where did you get the fusion 360 drawing of the bracket, so I can follow along. I bought the stl file but can't do simulations on it. Can anyone help?

  • @IronMan-yg4qw
    @IronMan-yg4qw 5 років тому

    nice. more on this subject please!

  • @johnesteer9537
    @johnesteer9537 5 років тому

    have you done fea to determine effects of %,s of infill

  • @gustavomanuelreanopulache5314
    @gustavomanuelreanopulache5314 4 роки тому

    Free question, it is possible to simulate the gcode generated by 3d printing to check if the grid type is the most acceptable. Thank you greetings from Peru

  • @KieranShort
    @KieranShort 5 років тому

    This is really awesome. What would be the effect of adding, say 2mm thick orthogonal strips which protrude from the cross member girders. This would make them more of a cross shape in cross section, and I think (in my special custom buckling simulation, in my brain) that configuration would spread the load stress more evenly and perhaps improve buckling load resistance. Great video thanks!

  • @1q1q1q1q1q1q1qw
    @1q1q1q1q1q1q1qw 4 роки тому

    very cool video i would suggest a test where you put a woodboard on top of two breakets anthen pull down inthe centerpoint of the board

  • @kennethnilsson6976
    @kennethnilsson6976 5 років тому

    Great video.
    Kind of hard to use the middle screw hole in the last design. Not much room to fit either the screw or screwdriver without hitting the stabilising part.

  • @TORDesign
    @TORDesign 5 років тому +1

    How do you locally solve the buckling analysis like in your video? Because mine wont do it and Autodesk help says,"Note: Local solving is supported for Static Stress, Modal Frequencies, Thermal, and Thermal Stress analyses. All other simulation types must be solved in the cloud"

    • @Duci1989
      @Duci1989 5 років тому +1

      He says that in the video as well.

  • @hammerfallen12345
    @hammerfallen12345 Рік тому

    Hi! Is there a program for checking strenght on a 3 model? Where we are now with 3d printer program and Cad program i think we should had develope a program for this. Maybe there is already one that come with more expensive cad program. But there should be one free that are for plastic material by now

  • @MT-em8mg
    @MT-em8mg 10 місяців тому +1

    I am just wondering about the material and process data due to the 3D printing process. It seems that the FEM simulations are performed with full material, but printer settings such as filling, wall thickness ,or layer height are not considered. In this case, why do the simulation results roughly match the test results? Thank you very much for your help!

  • @Boomshankarim
    @Boomshankarim 5 років тому

    did you consider using a triangular or hexagonal filling? it might add strength

  • @lezorn
    @lezorn 5 років тому +6

    19:00 Bless you

  • @johnesteer9537
    @johnesteer9537 5 років тому

    excellent ....i used to do some fea about 20 years ago...did not know fea available on f360..is cloud buckkling available free for 'hobby' can you constrain to simulate washers?

  • @IsraelMolina1997
    @IsraelMolina1997 3 роки тому

    The analysis is for 100% infill? How i can configure the analysis for 15% infill? Thanks for the awesome video!

  • @j...bro.
    @j...bro. 5 років тому

    Watch those bolt spacings to load points fasteners as close to load points for optimising load capture without inducing torques.

  • @MrHuggaga
    @MrHuggaga 5 років тому

    so now to do anisotropic simulation then? does fusion support it at all or will i have to use a dedicated FEA-program for this? I mean, the ones included in Fuison, Inventor or CATIA are way simpler to use than ansys for example, so it would be nice if i can do it in the CAD program...

  • @LucasHartmann
    @LucasHartmann 4 роки тому

    It is amazing how difficult these simulations are for computers, yet how intuitive they feel to humans after we see a few of them.

  • @avejst
    @avejst 5 років тому +2

    Wow, two UA-cam's united work together👍
    Nice work, thanks for sharing👍😀

  • @justincomisk
    @justincomisk 5 років тому +8

    I wonder if applying a shell to the body in the model work-space would help make it slightly more accurate for 3D print simulations.

    • @CNCKitchen
      @CNCKitchen  5 років тому +3

      Also thought about that. Might give it a try next time.

    • @Bordpie
      @Bordpie 5 років тому

      Some FEA software like ABAQUS can model shell elements e.g. only modelling elements on the surface of the part, and then you define the thickness with a separate parameter. That and a way to approximate part infill would be really nice in Fusion.

    • @Bordpie
      @Bordpie 5 років тому

      Having specific shell type mesh and simulations is partly for ease of computation, and partly for accuracy. A shell mesh generally just covers the outside surface of the part, so the mesh is less complex to model the same part, or you can have a finer mesh for the same computational cost. It generalises it a bit using just a surface mesh e.g. it may assume the variation in stress between the inside and outside of the shell is negligible, which it is if the shell thickness is low compared to the size of the overall model.
      In FEA, it's important to make the mesh variation smooth e.g. for a given element (smallest 3D shapes in the mesh formed between mesh nodes) you don't want the difference in length of the edges to be too much, something like 1:3 (ideally it should be as close to 1 as possible) ratio between any two edges on an element, otherwise the results become quite innacurate. If you modelled the entire 3-dimensional shell, you may have small edges between the inside and outside of the model, but much longer ones on the surfaces of the objects. So in order to get an accurate simulation, all the edges would have to be similar in length to the ones passing through the shell, and that could make the mesh way more complex again, for not much gain in simulation accuracy.
      Kind of like in the video where Stefan mentions you should have no less than two elements over the thickness of the part in order to accurately model it with this type of mesh. I'm not sure if one element thickness is good enough for a shell assumption (I'm not an expert in FEA), but even so a very fine mesh would be required. This is basically what a shell type mesh property is for, greatly reducing the computational effort (and user effort) to make an accurate model of this type.
      In terms of the infill, I was only really thinking of having an internal mesh with different material properties to the surface, modelling the infill exactly would be very difficult unless it could be done in a slicer or with the G-code or something. I'm just thinking the internal mesh could have material properties which better models infill e.g. with 10% infill the Youngs modulus is only 10% for the infill (I'm not exactly sure that example is correct as again I'm not an expert in FEA but you get the idea). I suppose overall the mesh may be just as complex as these ones but I think it would be far more representative.
      Rather than modelling a solid part, modelling the surface to have diferent properties than the infill is essentially what I'm advocating.

    • @Bordpie
      @Bordpie 5 років тому

      I'm assuming the elements in Fusion are solid continuum elements, since there's no way to change the element type from what I can see. The modelling feature in Fusion evidently is simplified for basic simulations and ease of use. Shell elements are solved differently to solid continuum elements and are better suited to that type of structure. Since practically all 3D prints are shell type structures, something built into Fusion which could model that type of structure accurately would be nice. I'm not an expert but have used FEA to an in depth level for a specific application. Perhaps the standard elements are suitable for that type of structure, I don't know. I do know that in ABAQUS which I have used before, there are standard continuum elements and shell continuum elements, so evidently there is a need for them. Reading into it a bit more, the shell continuum elements have a plane stress assumption, so only the stresses along the surface are measured and stresses normal to the surface are assumed to be neglible. The elements can distinguish the stress variation through the thickness of the part however, with more shell element layers giving a more accurate picture, although that's probably not very important since the shells are generally quite thin on 3D prints. I'm not sure if it would be suitable to all types of model actually.
      For the infill, I don't see how it would see it as an incompressible solid if the infill was represented as a mesh. If you gave the infill mesh different bulk material properties which reflected it's behaviour e.g. such as Stefans video on infill strength. With low infill settings, the lattice structure is large compared to the overall object and could be significant, but low infill doesn't affect part strength much as we all know. Also at higher infill settings, the lattice is more dense and begins to act as a continuum, so a solid mesh should be a fairly accurate model.

    • @Bordpie
      @Bordpie 5 років тому

      In retrospect, I think I was proposing something (using a shell type mesh to possibly model a 3d printed part more accurately) which seemed to make sense at first but actually might not be correct since I'm not an expert in FEA like I've mentioned, but I have used FEA to understand how it works. Ultimately the proposal is that Autodesk adds some feature, to either fusion or another piece of software, which more accurately and efficiently models 3D printed objects. If they could make a tool which generates a mesh for the shell of the object, then generates a mesh on the inside of the part for the infill with one click and simple data e.g. shell thickness, Youngs Modulus etc. A step further would be to model the anisotropic structure of a 3D printed part i.e a 3D printed part has different strength as well as other properties depending on the direction it is printed. If they gave you a little arrow and allowed you to point it in the direction the part will be printed, then it could apply the properties to the model based on that, perhaps even structure the mesh to be in line with the layer lines of the print.
      You'll never be able to model a 3D printed part perfectly, but each of the things above would bring it one step closer to being accurate. You could defnitely model a 3D printed part using existing FEA software, but it would be time consuming and laborious. If someone could make something that could automate the above, that would be really useful for the 3D printing community. I guess there hasn't really been any incentive for that type of modelling until recently, since 3D printing has mostly been used for prototypes and not fully functioning parts. Maybe this software exists already although I hope it's not behind a high paywall.

  • @joiseystud
    @joiseystud 4 роки тому +1

    Could you just add a reaction force to the back of the bracket?

  • @hexad3c1m4l
    @hexad3c1m4l 5 років тому

    Totally want to see a simulation with the wall, and screws, and the whole 9 yards. Seems like you know how; let's see it!