i just stopped wearing a watch entirely. haven't found a good replacement so i've gone watchless for over a year now. my apparantly completely unreasonable wishlist: E-ink display (nobody needs a 60hz hdr video capable watch, i mean c'mon) 1 FULL week or more battery life music controls or a fully integrated music player(non-subscription) nfc for payment bluetooth to connect to phone (or earbuds if using integrated music player) IP68 water resistant No HR monitor, no step tracker, no sleep tracking, period tracking. No voice, camera or speaker, except for notifications/alarms/input feedback/haptics all that tracking does is suck the battery, and when i got a NATO strap on the monitoring is covered anyway.
If you watched the video you'll notice that we talked about the pebble. It is not eink nor is it epaper So we don't know where the offense is coming from
@@goodereader Fair point, I didn't get to the very last bit of the video with MIP mentions. I got confused by usage of Garmin Instinct images at the beginning, as if it was supposed to cover over energy-efficient screen technologies as well.
Yeah for sure, we mentioned that the industry has alternatives, but splitting hairs... They are not epaper unfortunately. Nevertheless, it is a good unit, the pebble.
The king was Amazfit Bip original 40 days or sometimes more battery life. I'm still using it after 6 years. Built in GPS, Compass with Altitude, Press etc. was a real Pebble killer.
I had the Fossil HR and it was great while it lasted. Unfortunately, it only lasted about 8 months. A shame there were so few well-built e-paper watches.
I love my Skagen Hybrid HR e-ink watch even with all its flaws, I'd love for an updated version with more design choices but even 2 years ago it was virtually impossible for me to find any other version brand new.
@@chiquita683 In the short term yes, but e-ink is an inherently good solution for smartwatches. And I do think the OLED smartwatch hype will eventually burn out.
It's great for "always on display" usages and increased battery life. It's just that the public prefers shiny flashy stuff and avoids tech that looks older while costing the same. Too often we hear about complaints that E-ink should be half the price of tablets for example. It is gaining traction in the public sector though, I've noticed that Macau uses epaper posters that display the position and estimated arrival of every bus. Assisted by solar. HK and Singapore still use LCD. One person said Macau cheaped out by avoiding LCD 🤦
@@yensteel That perception will change in the public as more people get sick of toxic social media and look to slow down a bit. And I think it will get much bigger in the public sector as you said. That’s where the main success will be for the next few years.
Thanks for that thorough summary. Sad. This tech seems to have a lot of advantages. A shame it hasn't gotten better design focus as they nearly all were just quirky sort of half-hearted efforts. Hope to see better versions in the future.
I've had my Skagen for a couple years now and it's the best watch ever. The only part that bugs me is I frequently press the side button and it has a 3 minute timeout when it should have 30 seconds so I'm not glancing at the menu screen half the time and the hands are meant to move out of the way on purpose but usually it's annoying. If those 2 things were fixed it would be 10/10 and if it had better sleep tracking 11/10. I get compliments on it all the time.
I do not see the reason for a fall for e inkt watches. Are smartphone nkt ended? Are not all smartphone do just the same? The end for the road is here for smartphones.
No not at all Bigme literally just made two eink smartphones Mudita has announced its 2nd gen phone Minimalist has an e-ink phone that they are crossing Hisense still sells 7 different models It is not dead at all, no
I think it would work for fitness bands, but maybe not smartwatches. However, with the asking price, it's not surprising they didn't catch on and died. They should not have been as expensive. Perhaps someone will return to the idea with a more reasonable asking price for fitness-focused watches with some smartwatch features.
this proves that the e-ink display can be the irregular shape, so why the e-ink readers do not have a screen with a large R angle, just like the style of modern smartphones, with an edge to edge bezel ?
E-inks are not suitable for a screen that constantly needs to refresh like in smartwatches.. they would consume more battery than LCD so it makes sense they're not popular
I have a Sony Fes watch. And while I really like, it's a bit bulky for my taste. I was in Japan when the Epson canvas watches came out. They had some cool special editions (Evangelion for instance) and I really wanted to buy one, but I couldn't justify the high price.
Still grieving for Pebble.
Same. I no longer have the watch but I still have the charger cable lol
@@yensteel I have a watch but can't find the charger! But last time I tried it the Rebble software was far from good unfortunately.
Me too.
i just stopped wearing a watch entirely. haven't found a good replacement so i've gone watchless for over a year now.
my apparantly completely unreasonable wishlist:
E-ink display (nobody needs a 60hz hdr video capable watch, i mean c'mon)
1 FULL week or more battery life
music controls or a fully integrated music player(non-subscription)
nfc for payment
bluetooth to connect to phone (or earbuds if using integrated music player)
IP68 water resistant
No HR monitor, no step tracker, no sleep tracking, period tracking.
No voice, camera or speaker, except for notifications/alarms/input feedback/haptics
all that tracking does is suck the battery, and when i got a NATO strap on the monitoring is covered anyway.
i still feel like a notification-centric color e-Ink smartwatch along the lines of the Pebble in terms of price and functionality would do really well
To be fair, the "entry price versus feature set" is a very strong factor as to why the trendy ones fell.
Yeah for sure
I'm honestly slightly offended to not see Pebble in the list - best E-Ink smartwatch not only of their time, but at least half a decade further on.
If you watched the video you'll notice that we talked about the pebble. It is not eink nor is it epaper
So we don't know where the offense is coming from
@@goodereader Fair point, I didn't get to the very last bit of the video with MIP mentions. I got confused by usage of Garmin Instinct images at the beginning, as if it was supposed to cover over energy-efficient screen technologies as well.
Yeah for sure, we mentioned that the industry has alternatives, but splitting hairs... They are not epaper unfortunately.
Nevertheless, it is a good unit, the pebble.
@@goodereader Well arguably it is epaper. Epaper are displays that give the appearance of paper, which the transflective LCD effectively does.
It's not epaper, no
Would be cool for watch bands though, those don't need to refresh that often
Great video wow!! Love your channel!
The king was Amazfit Bip original 40 days or sometimes more battery life. I'm still using it after 6 years. Built in GPS, Compass with Altitude, Press etc. was a real Pebble killer.
I really miss Pebble in the industry ...
well, as we said, Pebble is not EINK or epaper.
I had the Fossil HR and it was great while it lasted. Unfortunately, it only lasted about 8 months. A shame there were so few well-built e-paper watches.
I love my Skagen Hybrid HR e-ink watch even with all its flaws, I'd love for an updated version with more design choices but even 2 years ago it was virtually impossible for me to find any other version brand new.
They’ll be back for sure. It’s an inherently good idea, so someone will return to the concept.
Nah OLED killed it
@@chiquita683 In the short term yes, but e-ink is an inherently good solution for smartwatches. And I do think the OLED smartwatch hype will eventually burn out.
It's great for "always on display" usages and increased battery life. It's just that the public prefers shiny flashy stuff and avoids tech that looks older while costing the same. Too often we hear about complaints that E-ink should be half the price of tablets for example.
It is gaining traction in the public sector though, I've noticed that Macau uses epaper posters that display the position and estimated arrival of every bus. Assisted by solar. HK and Singapore still use LCD. One person said Macau cheaped out by avoiding LCD 🤦
@@yensteel That perception will change in the public as more people get sick of toxic social media and look to slow down a bit.
And I think it will get much bigger in the public sector as you said. That’s where the main success will be for the next few years.
Thanks for that thorough summary. Sad. This tech seems to have a lot of advantages. A shame it hasn't gotten better design focus as they nearly all were just quirky sort of half-hearted efforts. Hope to see better versions in the future.
The best idea would probably to layer it like Fossil did but use OLED instead, colour e-ink at the bottom then an OLED layer ontop
Pebble was amazing. Sad fitbit bought them. Amazfit was great initially but now moved on to the same smarwatch like everyone else.
Not this video coming out as I'm looking to buy a Fossil Hybrid HR 💀
You might be able to find some straggler Skagen units, but for the most part fossil is gone
I've had my Skagen for a couple years now and it's the best watch ever. The only part that bugs me is I frequently press the side button and it has a 3 minute timeout when it should have 30 seconds so I'm not glancing at the menu screen half the time and the hands are meant to move out of the way on purpose but usually it's annoying. If those 2 things were fixed it would be 10/10 and if it had better sleep tracking 11/10. I get compliments on it all the time.
Technically Epson made 2 watches... as their parent company is Seiko 👀
Basically all of them were overpriced. The basic watches should have been $50 but I'd bet they werent
I’d buy a beautiful e-ink watch that simply showed the date and time with a good resolution. That’s it. But that never existed.
Indeed it has
Epson Smart canvas
We still sell them
goodereader.com/blog/product/epson-smart-canvas-e-ink-smartwatch
I do not see the reason for a fall for e inkt watches.
Are smartphone nkt ended? Are not all smartphone do just the same? The end for the road is here for smartphones.
No not at all
Bigme literally just made two eink smartphones
Mudita has announced its 2nd gen phone
Minimalist has an e-ink phone that they are crossing
Hisense still sells 7 different models
It is not dead at all, no
I think it would work for fitness bands, but maybe not smartwatches. However, with the asking price, it's not surprising they didn't catch on and died. They should not have been as expensive. Perhaps someone will return to the idea with a more reasonable asking price for fitness-focused watches with some smartwatch features.
this proves that the e-ink display can be the irregular shape, so why the e-ink readers do not have a screen with a large R angle, just like the style of modern smartphones, with an edge to edge bezel ?
Still using my Sony smartband talk
anyone has seiko sbpa003 for sale?
$920 CAD is the cheapest we can do
Store@goodereader.com
E-inks are not suitable for a screen that constantly needs to refresh like in smartwatches.. they would consume more battery than LCD so it makes sense they're not popular
One partial refresh a minute (A second is too much, agreed) should work.
I have a Sony Fes watch. And while I really like, it's a bit bulky for my taste.
I was in Japan when the Epson canvas watches came out. They had some cool special editions (Evangelion for instance) and I really wanted to buy one, but I couldn't justify the high price.
Fossil Gen 6 is already AMOLED according to currently available products of that brand. You sure that that colored display was eink? I doubt it.