This is very informative and helpful. "Original" and "First" are often used to refer to the other. I think when it comes to identifying pressings, the US manufacturers gummed us up today with their regional plants and multiple press runs. Discogs is a cacophony of confusing deadwax entries and duplicate entries. Probably the UK had less plants. Japan is very simple.
Brilliant guys great video. Very informative especially if new to hobby im not but found it very helpful. The sleeves yeah had that experience of trying to get them out and hmv and rough trade still selling them as well not cheap amd hmv push you to buy them . Look forward to visiting you one day . Thanks guys . Looking forward to more of those videos. Take care joe
Kudos for cleaning you used records. I would be a regular there. In houston Tx. Vinyl edge is the only shop I have been to that sonically clean all there used albums and those get alot of my business
Yes, major artists do change the music upon repress. Most of the albums I like don't have a second pressing as they weren't that popular. Billy Joel, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Evelyn Champaign King, the Deele, etc. all messed with the versions of hits that were put on represses of their albums. Sometimes it's the single version, edit of the 12", new sax solo, new mix, live version, etc.
I heard those heavy PVC sleeves actually put a haze on the vinyl record as well. I prefer the lightest sleeve and yes with a flap to keep the dust out.
If you got a RCM go OG. If not and just starting get a reissue it will have less surface noise. After I invested in a RCM, I love buying older used albums.
Great video you've explained things really well here. Am sure the worlds biggest Led Zeppelin fan will come buy the £695 copy of Led Zep II. As said got those Bohemian Rapsodey 7 inch worth quite a bit. Great stuff here. 👏
Atlantic withdrew and destroyed many of the Bob Ludwig hot mix copies. Initial press was probably 100K. Many with record changers also threw them out because they "skipped".
We had to wave goodbye to it today, managed to listen to a couple of tracks with the customer before it went but very lucky to of heard it. I'll remember it for a long time.
I really like this video and I subbed to your channel! I do disagree a bit in regards to VinylMe Please. I can't speak to the other one - but VMP vinyl is definitely worth something in a lot of cases - for example that Story of the Grateful Dead box came out for $400 and it goes for well over $1,000 now...and for good reason - there are some rare Dead LPS and color variants in there that you can't get anywhere else or if you find the OG its gonna cost as much as the box. VMP does let you choose what you get to a point, you can swap out if what they picked isn't what you like and you can cancel and re start at any time so there is no commitment get what you want and then cancel - you actually don't even have to be a member to buy from them but you do get perks. I have some really sick INDIE Color Variants from them (Lee Fields, Thee Sacred Souls) that are less then 500 made - those are gonna be worth a lot more then $34 in the years to come. The Rubaiyat of Dorothy Ashby is EXTREMELY hard to find an OG and they re issued it and even that is worth over $100 now. Might want to recheck VMP - but you are right - nothing beats a GOOD record store!
Very interesting reading what you're saying, I think VMP because they were kind of the first have stayed on the tip of my tongue a bit more and my experience with them is a fair few years old, I think I'm expressing more at the whole idea of it rather than the actual one and there's also a whole other conversation about exclusives pressings of things that aren't available to everyone which creates a weird little microclimate or pockets of record buying which shouldn't really be a thing and definitely something I'll discuss more in the next videos, very interesting points though and definitely something I'll take on board. Thank you!
An interesting and informative intro. to the uninitiated in the vinyl community. You were right to highlight the potential damage caused by heavy duty PVC album sleeves. I have quite a large collection with many housed in such sleeves. I've never had an issue with matt/card sleeves but certainly a lot of 70s/80s light laminated covers can fuse themselves as you demonstrated. That said, the PVC can help with shelf wear. It would be good if you could do a posting on storage. As you know, vinyl must never be laid flat inside its sleeve. A problem I've lately encountered is stacking too many discs onto each other on the shelves. A rather juicy early Schifrin LP I have, started to form ridges on the sleeve. I immediately removed it from the PVC sleeve and shifted it onto a less densely packed shelf. That I'm afraid was what discouraged many punters from investing in records vs. CDs i.e. storage difficulties.
Excellent point about the Matt heavy card sleeves they do seem to be unaffected which is great and the shelf wear can be chronic on them so any sleeve will help there, thank you!
@@tastyrecordsuk Just a brief(ish) follow up. I discovered, to my horror, on Friday that all the vinyl lined against my outside wall had got damp. Blame it on the unseasonably cold weather or whatever, there's a lesson to be learnt. It looks like a lot of the damage is buckling to the sleeves but when you multiply this it becomes depressing. As I said, storage is everything when it comes to vinyl.
You may want to add some comments if you can, mention new pressings from analogue or MoFi mastered from original tapes or in MoFi’s case clean remaster using one step digital process for $40-80.00.
Great video guys but just makes me annoyed that I can’t get down to the shop as much as I’d like to. Hopefully I’ll be there spending some Xmas money in a few weeks
I guess the vinyl revival has hit the mainstream. A few years ago you wouldn't price anything down. 90's presses are crap so that actually would drive demand down slightly.
Thanks Robert, not perfect but a great starter to the series hoping some people can grab some useful information from it. We're in Altrincham, South Manchester UK.
Youve got to think, a good record stylus is made from diamond the hardest substance on the planet and it is cutting through a soft plastic. While it may wear through the stylus slightly more it isnt worth worrying about. In my opinion of course!
8 out of 10 new remasters I have bought this year have been badly warped and severely damaged -- even vinyl coming out of Abbey Road. Often, brand new vinyl is uncleanably clogged up with dirt or paper splinters from the paper sleeves, or has severe deep scratches as if the vinyl has been kicked along the floor of the pressing plant. Have also noticed albums bound so tightly in polywrap that it has warped the record. There is a major UK record chain that seems to have an enormous stock of warped and mispressed vinyl. All I can say is INSIST on opening and checking what you have bought in the shop before you leave! :0/
In the last year it I have found new albums. Being very very bad. Like 5 out of 10 go back for pitting, warping, or just a noise pressing. At 40 dollars all new records should be in poly innersleeves. The QC is a joke at the moment
@@williamr3840true so true. Has gotten worse. I almost now never buy new records at records stores because if it is not good I hate making them eat the loss. I let Bezos eat the lose. I mainly get used records now that I have a great RCM.
I’m sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I have to say there is way to much emphasis on the condition of the jacket. When I was purchasing most of my collection I never dreamed of resale value, it was just not considered, consequently I have wear and tear on outer sleeves but the vinyl is pristine. I winced every time you pulled an unsleeved LP out of a protected jacket.
I think we're more keen on jacket condition from a retail perspective if you know what I mean, we also have the inner sleeve with the opening pointing out so the record can be easily removed to inspect, otherwise we have people who may not be as dextrous as us pulling sleeves in and out and causing seam splits/damage, it's definitely there though
Lost records to PVC outgas damage that destroys record surfaces, makes them go all cloudy and the surface noise is way high. If you tightly pack a load of thos PVC sleeves together than you will ruin records in quick fashion.
most OG's are more money than later reissues unless some kind of a deluxe boxset of demos etc are put out with it. I have some 200Gram OG's pre70's Dont believe all 180gr are the reason not to buy something. You're talking about Hype Stickers because back in the day they didnt advertise the weight of the record
If you have to use sleeves, use Polythene (PE) and not the Poly-vinyl chloride (PVC). The latter smell like paint and is a very similar material to records. So if you use PVC sleeve you make a sandwich of... PVC record - Cardboard Jacket - PVC sleeve. This behaves like a capacitor and electrostatic and the "gassing off" of the PVC sleeve (when warm) tries to migrate it's chemicals (through the cardboard jacket) in order to stick to the PVC record.... and eventually, it makes a mess of the cardboard jacket, and if left long enough... the record.
Unfortunately, VSS doesn't make single pocket resealable sleeves. (only dual) It's beyond me why not. I don't need two pockets for most my collection. Their sleeves are also inconsistent. I have about 4 different sizes from them. Drives my OCD crazy.
Don't go dissin' Barry White now! Actually I just paid $70 for the rare cd of the album he did with Webster Lewis. Never have some curate your collection. Good Gowd! Buyers have to know something they like from streaming, radio, youtube, etc.
Nice video guys 👍 a great intro for new vinyl heads.. Can I ask, .. the 13th floor elevators on the wall behind you,, What press is it. And country of origin???? 🙏✌️
I'm here from the SAAB Video. 🙂
Great video lads really enjoying the content coming from the channel 👍
This is very informative and helpful. "Original" and "First" are often used to refer to the other. I think when it comes to identifying pressings, the US manufacturers gummed us up today with their regional plants and multiple press runs. Discogs is a cacophony of confusing deadwax entries and duplicate entries. Probably the UK had less plants. Japan is very simple.
Brilliant guys great video. Very informative especially if new to hobby im not but found it very helpful. The sleeves yeah had that experience of trying to get them out and hmv and rough trade still selling them as well not cheap amd hmv push you to buy them . Look forward to visiting you one day . Thanks guys . Looking forward to more of those videos. Take care joe
Thanks Joe, hope to see you soon!
Kudos for cleaning you used records. I would be a regular there. In houston Tx. Vinyl edge is the only shop I have been to that sonically clean all there used albums and those get alot of my business
Yes, major artists do change the music upon repress. Most of the albums I like don't have a second pressing as they weren't that popular. Billy Joel, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Evelyn Champaign King, the Deele, etc. all messed with the versions of hits that were put on represses of their albums. Sometimes it's the single version, edit of the 12", new sax solo, new mix, live version, etc.
I heard those heavy PVC sleeves actually put a haze on the vinyl record as well. I prefer the lightest sleeve and yes with a flap to keep the dust out.
Yep they degas
If you got a RCM go OG. If not and just starting get a reissue it will have less surface noise. After I invested in a RCM, I love buying older used albums.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m in mossley I’ll make sure I visit your shop in the near future 👍
Great video you've explained things really well here. Am sure the worlds biggest Led Zeppelin fan will come buy the £695 copy of Led Zep II. As said got those Bohemian Rapsodey 7 inch worth quite a bit. Great stuff here. 👏
Atlantic withdrew and destroyed many of the Bob Ludwig hot mix copies. Initial press was probably 100K. Many with record changers also threw them out because they "skipped".
We had to wave goodbye to it today, managed to listen to a couple of tracks with the customer before it went but very lucky to of heard it. I'll remember it for a long time.
I really like this video and I subbed to your channel! I do disagree a bit in regards to VinylMe Please. I can't speak to the other one - but VMP vinyl is definitely worth something in a lot of cases - for example that Story of the Grateful Dead box came out for $400 and it goes for well over $1,000 now...and for good reason - there are some rare Dead LPS and color variants in there that you can't get anywhere else or if you find the OG its gonna cost as much as the box. VMP does let you choose what you get to a point, you can swap out if what they picked isn't what you like and you can cancel and re start at any time so there is no commitment get what you want and then cancel - you actually don't even have to be a member to buy from them but you do get perks. I have some really sick INDIE Color Variants from them (Lee Fields, Thee Sacred Souls) that are less then 500 made - those are gonna be worth a lot more then $34 in the years to come. The Rubaiyat of Dorothy Ashby is EXTREMELY hard to find an OG and they re issued it and even that is worth over $100 now. Might want to recheck VMP - but you are right - nothing beats a GOOD record store!
Very interesting reading what you're saying, I think VMP because they were kind of the first have stayed on the tip of my tongue a bit more and my experience with them is a fair few years old, I think I'm expressing more at the whole idea of it rather than the actual one and there's also a whole other conversation about exclusives pressings of things that aren't available to everyone which creates a weird little microclimate or pockets of record buying which shouldn't really be a thing and definitely something I'll discuss more in the next videos, very interesting points though and definitely something I'll take on board. Thank you!
Color variants are not where the value is and they probably won't go up. Pictures discs are a definite no-no.
An interesting and informative intro. to the uninitiated in the vinyl community. You were right to highlight the potential damage caused by heavy duty PVC album sleeves. I have quite a large collection with many housed in such sleeves. I've never had an issue with matt/card sleeves but certainly a lot of 70s/80s light laminated covers can fuse themselves as you demonstrated. That said, the PVC can help with shelf wear. It would be good if you could do a posting on storage. As you know, vinyl must never be laid flat inside its sleeve. A problem I've lately encountered is stacking too many discs onto each other on the shelves. A rather juicy early Schifrin LP I have, started to form ridges on the sleeve. I immediately removed it from the PVC sleeve and shifted it onto a less densely packed shelf. That I'm afraid was what discouraged many punters from investing in records vs. CDs i.e. storage difficulties.
Excellent point about the Matt heavy card sleeves they do seem to be unaffected which is great and the shelf wear can be chronic on them so any sleeve will help there, thank you!
@@tastyrecordsuk Just a brief(ish) follow up. I discovered, to my horror, on Friday that all the vinyl lined against my outside wall had got damp. Blame it on the unseasonably cold weather or whatever, there's a lesson to be learnt. It looks like a lot of the damage is buckling to the sleeves but when you multiply this it becomes depressing. As I said, storage is everything when it comes to vinyl.
You may want to add some comments if you can, mention new pressings from analogue or MoFi mastered from original tapes or in MoFi’s case clean remaster using one step digital process for $40-80.00.
Absolutely, great point. That will probably be an episode on it's own, especially with the recent mo-fi shenanigans!
Great video guys but just makes me annoyed that I can’t get down to the shop as much as I’d like to. Hopefully I’ll be there spending some Xmas money in a few weeks
I guess the vinyl revival has hit the mainstream. A few years ago you wouldn't price anything down. 90's presses are crap so that actually would drive demand down slightly.
Absolutely, i'd say this only really started in the last few years where I've seen regular bargain bin brand new vinyl
Nice info thanks where are you located
Thanks Robert, not perfect but a great starter to the series hoping some people can grab some useful information from it. We're in Altrincham, South Manchester UK.
Nice video gents 👍🏼
Cool telecaster piece up there 😺
Great spot it's cool isn't it!
A scuffed record may play, but will it wear out or hurt my needle? That's what I'm worried about.
Youve got to think, a good record stylus is made from diamond the hardest substance on the planet and it is cutting through a soft plastic. While it may wear through the stylus slightly more it isnt worth worrying about. In my opinion of course!
I never expect record stores to be perfect! But I don’t think they should bust my Balls if I return it! That’s all!
8 out of 10 new remasters I have bought this year have been badly warped and severely damaged -- even vinyl coming out of Abbey Road. Often, brand new vinyl is uncleanably clogged up with dirt or paper splinters from the paper sleeves, or has severe deep scratches as if the vinyl has been kicked along the floor of the pressing plant. Have also noticed albums bound so tightly in polywrap that it has warped the record. There is a major UK record chain that seems to have an enormous stock of warped and mispressed vinyl. All I can say is INSIST on opening and checking what you have bought in the shop before you leave! :0/
We probably have those issues maybe 1 in every thousand so if you've had 8 in 10 I'd stop buying lottery tickets!
@@tastyrecordsuk Well, it's a fact -- nothing to do with bad luck. And I'm not the only one.
In the last year it I have found new albums. Being very very bad. Like 5 out of 10 go back for pitting, warping, or just a noise pressing. At 40 dollars all new records should be in poly innersleeves. The QC is a joke at the moment
@@williamr3840true so true. Has gotten worse. I almost now never buy new records at records stores because if it is not good I hate making them eat the loss. I let Bezos eat the lose. I mainly get used records now that I have a great RCM.
The off gassing will ruin the records. Causing noise
I’m sorry to be beating a dead horse, but I have to say there is way to much emphasis on the condition of the jacket. When I was purchasing most of my collection I never dreamed of resale value, it was just not considered, consequently I have wear and tear on outer sleeves but the vinyl is pristine. I winced every time you pulled an unsleeved LP out of a protected jacket.
I think we're more keen on jacket condition from a retail perspective if you know what I mean, we also have the inner sleeve with the opening pointing out so the record can be easily removed to inspect, otherwise we have people who may not be as dextrous as us pulling sleeves in and out and causing seam splits/damage, it's definitely there though
Lost records to PVC outgas damage that destroys record surfaces, makes them go all cloudy and the surface noise is way high. If you tightly pack a load of thos PVC sleeves together than you will ruin records in quick fashion.
most OG's are more money than later reissues unless some kind of a deluxe boxset of demos etc are put out with it. I have some 200Gram OG's pre70's Dont believe all 180gr are the reason not to buy something. You're talking about Hype Stickers because back in the day they didnt advertise the weight of the record
Best sleeves? Vinyl Storage Solutions. He has various types. I like the dual pocket resealable. Can't get better. But not cheap.
If you have to use sleeves, use Polythene (PE) and not the Poly-vinyl chloride (PVC). The latter smell like paint and is a very similar material to records.
So if you use PVC sleeve you make a sandwich of...
PVC record - Cardboard Jacket - PVC sleeve.
This behaves like a capacitor and electrostatic and the "gassing off" of the PVC sleeve (when warm) tries to migrate it's chemicals (through the cardboard jacket) in order to stick to the PVC record.... and eventually, it makes a mess of the cardboard jacket, and if left long enough... the record.
Gassing off is exactly the phrase I was looking for, i'd heard it a long time ago and forgot it. Thank you.
Unfortunately, VSS doesn't make single pocket resealable sleeves. (only dual) It's beyond me why not. I don't need two pockets for most my collection. Their sleeves are also inconsistent. I have about 4 different sizes from them. Drives my OCD crazy.
Don't go dissin' Barry White now! Actually I just paid $70 for the rare cd of the album he did with Webster Lewis. Never have some curate your collection. Good Gowd! Buyers have to know something they like from streaming, radio, youtube, etc.
Apologies! :D Love Barry really
Nice video guys 👍 a great intro for new vinyl heads..
Can I ask, .. the 13th floor elevators on the wall behind you,,
What press is it. And country of origin????
🙏✌️
This a 2012 Stereo USA RE, not an original I'm afraid!
@@tastyrecordsuk thanks for letting me know 👍🙏
Anything that's manufactured as a collectable probably won't be.
Grabing the records by the grooves......gives me cringes......lol just me
Stop making sense