The 3 Styles of Samurai Swordsmanship🙏🏽

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  • @connorperrett9559
    @connorperrett9559 Рік тому +1468

    This man is the Platonic form of "While you were partying I studied the blade."

    • @gokuthatmadethebeat
      @gokuthatmadethebeat Рік тому +41

      Bro is the quadratic formula of “By the blade shall we live, by the throat of my foe I’ve slit”

    • @hantu7380
      @hantu7380 Рік тому +12

      But didn't even do it since i see no footwork

    • @NuttyCuts_
      @NuttyCuts_ 10 місяців тому +11

      @@hantu7380yeah because there’s so much room for footwork in that tiny room

    • @slayerzz3725
      @slayerzz3725 9 місяців тому +2

      I used to do fencing competitively i would stab this guy 3 times within 5-10seconds lmao

    • @kittysoftpaws3677
      @kittysoftpaws3677 8 місяців тому

      ​@@slayerzz3725I'd like to see you try. Ps a needle is nothing compared to a blade that can slice your head off.

  • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
    @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 Рік тому +617

    Kenjutsu = Fencing with the sword outside the sheath
    Kendo = Modern sport fencing based off of old kenjutsu, with armor
    Iaido = Modern sword cut drawing, based off of old iaijutsu/battojutsu, but done more for moving meditation

    • @Masterlessmusic
      @Masterlessmusic 8 місяців тому +32

      Kenjutsu is not fencing. Kenjutsu is quite literally combat training for the Japanese sword and incorporates grappling, tripping and wrestling techniques. All with the aim of keeping you alive and the other person less so. Fencing is a sport and Kendo is the Japanese equivalent. Although it is a budo, so it's less sportified and has a strict moral and etiquette centric focus to the study. It's forging of the character. Iaido does the same but using swords in solo and paired Kata with strong emphasis on drawing and sheathing the blade. Iaido is closer than kendo to kenjutsu in technique, however Kendo is closer to kenjutsu in terms of combative, full contact interaction. I practice both. One for about 6 years now and the other for 20 Years. So that's what I'm basing my comments on.

    • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
      @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 8 місяців тому +4

      @@Masterlessmusic Holy hell, please go touch grass.

    • @Masterlessmusic
      @Masterlessmusic 8 місяців тому +16

      @@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 aye sure, what do I know? I've only trained in one for 6 years and the other for 20 but yeah okay. I see you do BJJ. That's awesome man. Fantastic discipline.

    • @alittlepuertoricanboy1993
      @alittlepuertoricanboy1993 8 місяців тому +7

      @@Masterlessmusic Sorry, I didn't mean to come at you like that, forgive my rudeness.
      Look, when I say "fencing", I mean "swordsmanship" in a very broad sense, because that's originally how the word was used. Before Olympic sport fencing, "fencing" also could have meant something HEMA based, and even many kenjutsu ryuha were often referred to as "fencing" by Westerners in older literature on Japanese culture. I'm basically saying the exact same thing you are, but you're just saying it with much more nuance.

    • @Masterlessmusic
      @Masterlessmusic 8 місяців тому +7

      @@alittlepuertoricanboy1993 right, I get where coming from. Yeah no bother. I was probably fixating on the sportification aspect too much there in hindsight. Water under the bridge.

  • @mwjunk
    @mwjunk 11 місяців тому +235

    Iaido: what should my mindset be before, during, and after engagement?
    Kenjutsu: What should I do, really, during engagement?
    Kendo: Here are some bamboo swords and armor; fight!

    • @zatrusofnietzche2281
      @zatrusofnietzche2281 7 місяців тому +18

      liado = you should be empty. Do not think, feel ,anticipate or plan.
      Your training should be complete.
      Be like stone 🪨 give no indication. Not even to yourself !
      Observe but do not react !
      Focus on your danger points, not the numbers or who has what?. Listen for the opponent to step , to breath, to hesitate !!!
      Allow him to believe he is secure and in that second end his thoughts.
      Without thought, without anger or regret.
      Clean your blade.
      Enjoy your 🫖🍵
      The sun will rise again tomorrow.

    • @smackmmk
      @smackmmk 5 місяців тому +5

      In a lot of ways, outside of the specific targeting areas that kendo focuses on, it puts a lot of the actual fundamentals of kenjutsu to practice. While a quick attack in kendo is more of a hit, while kenjutsu it is a cut, the difference being very significant in actual combat vs sparring safely. I would personally recommend learning both if you wanted to enter in any kind of Hema type competition. Kendo being the more important of the two. Because of the emphasis of quick attacks, good footwork, and solid fundamentals, those types of competitions don't really require you to make cuts on the opponent, rather, focusing more on just hitting the opponent in an area to score a point. Kendall already does something similar to this, there for that will serves you extremely well in those situations.

    • @YSleepish
      @YSleepish 3 місяці тому +2

      dont disrespect kendo

    • @mwjunk
      @mwjunk 3 місяці тому +3

      Actually, all jokes aside, kendo strikes are technically meant to be slashes: forward slashes (except body strikes). You guide the blade to your target and push forward, not downward. The theoretical concept is that the curvature of the blade is utilized in this regard, which is why in kendo the strikes must come from the top end of the blade. You cannot do this forward slash at the bottom of the blade as the curvature doesn't help there, and is too close to the fulcrum to be an effective attack. It's a small distinction that most kendoka today do not make, I guess because the nature of the sport is that it doesn't matter really.

    • @slash891
      @slash891 3 місяці тому +3

      This comment is ironic, because kendo is actually the art that necessitates mental focus the most.

  • @asylumpatient96
    @asylumpatient96 Рік тому +355

    this guy is basically what mini katana could've been,not just a weeb talking abt anime while showing their anime katana

    • @martinaogar3663
      @martinaogar3663 10 місяців тому +8

      Ong 🤷

    • @GalaxyCatPlays
      @GalaxyCatPlays 9 місяців тому +8

      Well they usually forge the katana and not practice actual sword skills.

    • @justrandon
      @justrandon 9 місяців тому +14

      Bro doesn’t understand that there are people with interests other than his own💀

    • @ryanpowell266
      @ryanpowell266 9 місяців тому +23

      I mean that's the point though. Their entire purpose is to make anime sword replicas to sell to anime fans. You might not like anime but plenty of people do like it and want to buy replica swords from their favorite animes, the other stuff like their "5 facts about katanas" or "can a katana cut through another katana" videos that they do are mainly just for advertising their products. But it would be cool if they brought someone in with extensive training in swordsmanship for the test cutting, durability test, and the experimental videos they make to advertise their katanas.

    • @billyholmes169
      @billyholmes169 9 місяців тому +6

      You're missing the point, their target market is anime weebs who want anime swords. They are literally just serving the purpose that their company is for, selling anime katanas. The anime-related videos are advertisements directed at (once again) their target market. Don't complain about a business for doing their job 💀

  • @tenleyandtailey
    @tenleyandtailey 8 місяців тому +33

    That sheathing was 🔥

    • @cfgp41
      @cfgp41 4 місяці тому +1

      It was a made up move that you would never learn in iaido, and to an iaidoka: it's cringe.

    • @veralnox457
      @veralnox457 3 місяці тому

      As an iaidoka, it's fucking cringe.
      You're impressed because it looks flashy to you, but to me it's a lame figure-8 and a ton of wasted movement. Not to mention, if you actually cut someone, you'd be flinging blood everywhere.

    • @Servant.of.As-Salam
      @Servant.of.As-Salam 3 місяці тому

      @@veralnox457 this comment is actually very helpful! and interesting. I'd love to get into idao so, thank you!

    • @kiminotomo
      @kiminotomo 2 місяці тому

      ​@@veralnox457 Here's my Counterpoint:
      No one cares about your very specific negative opinion and holy 🤓 just shut up, I didn't know the fun police were patrolling, "erm actually that's cringe!!1!1" fuck off. "*Snort* Uhm, as an Iaidoka ☝️" lmao.
      If you had any semblance of intelligence you would realize that he was trying to end the video in a flashy manner to catch your eye not an instructor to the form, go take a shower because you're trying too hard.

  • @Ninjamohawk
    @Ninjamohawk 7 місяців тому +21

    iaido is one style of what I was VERY briefly trained in, in a college class. Swordfighing styles across the Earth's geography is as fascinating as it is logical.

  • @Masterlessmusic
    @Masterlessmusic 8 місяців тому +25

    Mmmm... I hold 4th Dan in Kendo and practice Iaido as well. Our sister club practice traditional kenjutsu in addition . Although well intentioned ,this video is misleading . I do not believe you are a "trained practioner". I believe you are doing your own thing with little to no guidance from a reputable teacher. However ,I believe your heart is probably in the right place . So, for others visiting ,I'd recommend you look to other examples for demonstration of these arts/ disciplines so you may better understand them. That all being said, I applaud the enthusiasm ,but suggest you seek out an instructor / club thats affiliated under a recognised governing body. Funnel your passion into a more constructive channel. Particularly if you intend to speak in the public domain with any kind of authority on these arts. Best of luck, I hope you find your way.

    • @Fuzzy_and_Tim
      @Fuzzy_and_Tim 3 місяці тому +3

      Although this comment is a bit old, I can't help myself but to tell you that you've spoken like a true martial artist and wise man.
      Your message is kind and not directly offensive, and you actually give great advice!
      The way you speak reminds me of my uncle, who's a 2nd den in taekwondo.
      Underrated comment for real. I wish more comments on UA-cam were like this instead of goobers arguing left and right.
      I hope all the best in your life!

    • @Masterlessmusic
      @Masterlessmusic 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Fuzzy_and_Tim thanks I guess. I appreciate that.

  • @Mikey-mouse-in-your-house
    @Mikey-mouse-in-your-house 10 місяців тому +7

    The naginata just chilling on the wall

  • @dxshuecp
    @dxshuecp 11 місяців тому +17

    Can you show us a tutorial on the amazing katana spin-sheath with the iaito you did? I would love to see that

  • @sacred363
    @sacred363 8 місяців тому +15

    As someone who has done kendo for about 2 years you could work on your form a bit 😅 but your explanation was really good 👍

    • @cfgp41
      @cfgp41 4 місяці тому +1

      His iaido needs practice as well, his footwork is all wrong and he's leaning into his strikes

    • @sacred363
      @sacred363 4 місяці тому +2

      @@cfgp41 His stance is too wide some of the 'examples' he's showing isn't even a technique. his arms are to stiff and he even said he's a trained practitioner. in all honesty very cringe.

    • @slash891
      @slash891 3 місяці тому

      I've never done but kendo, but I had a feeling his stance was wayyy too wde.

  • @KashMunni120
    @KashMunni120 4 дні тому

    That sheath was sick

  • @toshihirokanayama1676
    @toshihirokanayama1676 8 місяців тому +3

    For some reason, I love how he also uses his left hand

    • @neonthehuman
      @neonthehuman 4 місяці тому

      Well, that's how it's suppossed to be, Right hand to hold and deliver, left hand to rotate and be agile.

    • @kaiserlai9035
      @kaiserlai9035 6 днів тому

      left hand is the power hand right hand is direction

  • @NathanielXVII
    @NathanielXVII 11 місяців тому +3

    Iaido is just beautiful

    • @jmgonzales7701
      @jmgonzales7701 19 днів тому

      Is there away to do it without needing the sheeth

  • @haise3660
    @haise3660 2 роки тому +38

    You are making the content i was looking for

  • @KM-mc7ed
    @KM-mc7ed 2 місяці тому +2

    No bro showed off his inner jet stream sam😂

  • @Mr.MemeGiver
    @Mr.MemeGiver 13 днів тому

    You know who else is the honored one

  • @saipatil8390
    @saipatil8390 Місяць тому

    Sheathing a Katana is badass things bro🔥

    • @jmgonzales7701
      @jmgonzales7701 19 днів тому

      Is there a wayy to do iado without it

  • @Adventureruler
    @Adventureruler 2 місяці тому

    Your movements were clean! 👍🏽

  • @leonard_y32
    @leonard_y32 Місяць тому

    This was recommended so=
    I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING~

  • @somedragondood7884
    @somedragondood7884 2 місяці тому +1

    Style one: as explained in the video.
    Style two: as explained in the video.
    Style three: THE ONLY THING I KNOW FOR REAL-

  • @muddirt8074
    @muddirt8074 9 місяців тому

    u got rlly smooth slash there,strong and formly

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 6 місяців тому

    Iado looks like poetry in motion.

  • @itachi16ful
    @itachi16ful 10 місяців тому +2

    Currently practicing iado, it’s great. Will do the others eventuLly

  • @dariothecat3898
    @dariothecat3898 9 місяців тому

    This is so fascinating. 😮

  • @johnjr9997
    @johnjr9997 5 місяців тому

    Lets be real ya know bro was practicing the sheathing way more 😂

  • @strikeandstalk
    @strikeandstalk 8 місяців тому

    a slow mo of this would be nice

  • @narddog9051
    @narddog9051 11 місяців тому +1

    I am not to familiar with sword arts so the best guess I have is that this is in some way related to iaido based on the focus in sheath and drawing the sword at any rate I would love to learn what ever this is

  • @IvorEyess
    @IvorEyess Місяць тому

    Iado is so badass

  • @Doonieman999
    @Doonieman999 2 місяці тому

    Just realizing that Iaido style is like the old west quick draws lmao

  • @lonely6924
    @lonely6924 7 місяців тому +1

    Bro knows how to do sun halo head dance

  • @torinhaerbig1836
    @torinhaerbig1836 4 місяці тому +1

    How many times have you replaced those ceiling tiles?? 😂

  • @siryx3631
    @siryx3631 7 місяців тому

    Amazing !

  • @thefishbox6548
    @thefishbox6548 11 місяців тому

    Yesss I love this guy 😂

  • @killerkraut9179
    @killerkraut9179 11 місяців тому +1

    After my knowledge this Martial arts where more later developed !

  • @Barb76
    @Barb76 2 місяці тому

    Amazing ❤️

  • @The_Skyfish
    @The_Skyfish 8 місяців тому +1

    0:03 - Kenjutsu move 1
    0:05 - Kenjutsu move 2
    0:07 - Kenjutsu move 3

  • @mordecai89907
    @mordecai89907 6 місяців тому

    Bro with those 3 swords you could be the- wait who is that guy with the green hair again?

  • @user-gi2vf2bi6d
    @user-gi2vf2bi6d Місяць тому

    Make some more videos brother. Teach us how to use katana please

  • @kontou.
    @kontou. 8 місяців тому +1

    Saya is on the wrong side during the Iaido one. Also, typically bokuto are also very commonly used in Iai.

  • @staticx2552
    @staticx2552 9 місяців тому +7

    FINALLY , somebody to explain the differences so i dont have to and then get into arguments. Just gonna share this video .

  • @jeffreymitchell3220
    @jeffreymitchell3220 7 місяців тому

    GREAT STUFF!

  • @BaroqueWorkNetwork
    @BaroqueWorkNetwork 11 місяців тому +18

    Dude just told us he is a weeb 3 different times lmao

    • @Chase_shorts
      @Chase_shorts 10 місяців тому +4

      Mate he learned the forms for self defense and to be more then just some scrawny adult so hes not really a weeb he has a lot of discipline

    • @CursedSpeechUser
      @CursedSpeechUser 10 місяців тому +6

      Nahhhh with that Alastor pfp 💀💀

    • @slayerzz3725
      @slayerzz3725 9 місяців тому +4

      ​@@Chase_shortsi used to do competitive fencing if i fought this guy with a real sword he'd die in seconds

    • @Chase_shorts
      @Chase_shorts 9 місяців тому +2

      @@slayerzz3725 ok buddy

    • @Chase_shorts
      @Chase_shorts 9 місяців тому

      @@slayerzz3725 and also since your saying to could kill him with a sword you would have to be fighting with a katana because you are challenging him so you lose

  • @thealligator6187
    @thealligator6187 5 місяців тому +1

    Iaido is what Zenitsu uses ...if I'm not wrong 🤔🤔

  • @dire-decadence
    @dire-decadence 6 місяців тому

    A combination of Kenjutsu and Iaido is eloquent.

  • @strangergames5784
    @strangergames5784 2 місяці тому

    The last one is pretty much all anime swordsmanship 😂😂😂

  • @felinefighter
    @felinefighter 2 місяці тому

    So that’s where Kenshi got the animations

  • @him-wg5pu
    @him-wg5pu 3 місяці тому

    bro might genuinely be sasuke

  • @Jake-ym9vb
    @Jake-ym9vb 7 місяців тому

    I need to learn every single on of these :sob:

  • @hirasy77
    @hirasy77 2 роки тому +5

    I love you!

  • @robertoespinoza4047
    @robertoespinoza4047 10 місяців тому

    I would love a kenjutsu break down all you’re forms attacks and defense if you can 😊 I’m working on blocking/parring then striking and visa versus.

  • @RoenTG
    @RoenTG 5 місяців тому

    Siiiick

  • @TheWeekendShooter308
    @TheWeekendShooter308 8 місяців тому +1

    Kenjutsu and Iaido go hand and hand. Kendo is the only one of the 3 that actually have nothing to do with being a samurai or swordsmanship

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael0505 9 місяців тому

    Awesome

  • @QueensStandUp
    @QueensStandUp 3 місяці тому

    Kendo is heavily based on the Ona-Ha Itto-Ryu

  • @smallg140
    @smallg140 Місяць тому

    Neither Kendo or Iaido twirl swords around like it's a toy.

  • @craigbosko2229
    @craigbosko2229 9 місяців тому

    Been in the Martial Arts since the early 1970's ,read about the Katana, the short sword with the Katana,Kendo,Kobudo (Okinawa weapons) the Chinese 3 section staff, the staff (BO),spear and any other weapon the chinese has is a waist.

  • @MetalSnake6199
    @MetalSnake6199 6 місяців тому

    Bro has the anime hair !

  • @ryufight7987
    @ryufight7987 Рік тому +1

    Hahaha 😆 that about it sums it up

  • @paulskinback717
    @paulskinback717 11 місяців тому

    ART

  • @pakjafar6716
    @pakjafar6716 8 місяців тому

    God❤

  • @BLACKIE16491
    @BLACKIE16491 3 місяці тому

    To spar with you would be heavensent

  • @RY0M3N_SUKUNA.
    @RY0M3N_SUKUNA. 4 місяці тому

    **Iaido, kenjutsu and kendo has* has left the chat*
    "Zoro has joined the chat."

  • @dabofspeedgo
    @dabofspeedgo 7 місяців тому

    if you just do a Zoro cosplay with laido it would look like real life zoro

  • @MisterAnid
    @MisterAnid 3 місяці тому

    Bro has the sasuke hair

  • @Kojin400
    @Kojin400 6 місяців тому

    Your left handed, Left hand power!!

  • @brandoncimeno-nl8md
    @brandoncimeno-nl8md 16 днів тому

    How do you practice in such a small room?

  • @kaifaure1763
    @kaifaure1763 21 день тому

    Laijutsu is the best it make me wanted blowwwwwwww

  • @SurvivingHorror
    @SurvivingHorror 3 місяці тому

    I wish i could do all and I've looked for places but none are nearby

  • @exsyaoktavian9581
    @exsyaoktavian9581 7 місяців тому

    Surprisingly the kenjutau stances almost similar with those longsword stances

  • @swift.edits09
    @swift.edits09 6 місяців тому

    This is probably Sasuke in real life

  • @BraydenTerpening
    @BraydenTerpening 3 місяці тому

    Can you tell us how to get the naginata/ glaive

  • @MoldyOog
    @MoldyOog 4 місяці тому

    You might need to focus more on your biomechanics and structure, but your spins are great.

  • @stilesjohnson1745
    @stilesjohnson1745 Рік тому

    Dope

  • @gaut8615
    @gaut8615 7 місяців тому

    Hey thx for the vid ! May I ask where you learn iaido and kenjutsu ? I want to learn these martial arts

  • @damienlong3009
    @damienlong3009 9 місяців тому

    Nice

  • @71933
    @71933 10 місяців тому

    Zoro is kendo then.
    At the flashback he is seen using those training swords.

  • @shinobigamer7890
    @shinobigamer7890 10 місяців тому

    Did u make the guan dao in the back or did u get it online because i wanna get a practice one

  • @xinzeng-iq7zv
    @xinzeng-iq7zv 2 години тому

    a real sword feels different

  • @MXDMXX
    @MXDMXX Рік тому +3

    laido is op btw

  • @armandogomez4025
    @armandogomez4025 8 місяців тому

    Subscribed

  • @chubbyberry9010
    @chubbyberry9010 8 місяців тому

    where did you go to train, and how. ive always wanted too train with these weapons. and master while appreciating the arts. also do you have a kanabo

  • @Electricboy2.0
    @Electricboy2.0 6 місяців тому

    Hell ye. Iaido is what I learned

  • @Swordrian
    @Swordrian 9 днів тому

    Iado with double katana, left and right

  • @zanir2387
    @zanir2387 13 днів тому

    Question, how effective would be these against someone with a shield?

  • @hmuphilly9129
    @hmuphilly9129 8 місяців тому

    a beginner would even find it difficult sitting seiza

  • @kendallwolfenbarger4952
    @kendallwolfenbarger4952 4 місяці тому

    Yeah kendo was a way for samurai in the late edo period studying iaido to still practice fighting and yes kenjutsu is learning to actually fight with a sword

  • @RY0M3N_SUKUNA.
    @RY0M3N_SUKUNA. 4 місяці тому

    Zoro : 3 sword styles

  • @user-ew1vl8fi5r
    @user-ew1vl8fi5r 12 днів тому

    good

  • @CustomizedUsername
    @CustomizedUsername 7 місяців тому

    If I had club and someone broke into my house, which of the 3 art forms would help the most?

  • @asiatic_lily_kitty4819
    @asiatic_lily_kitty4819 Місяць тому

    Where can I learn this?

  • @ivanfiorani1363
    @ivanfiorani1363 Рік тому +7

    Just one problem.
    Your left handed, no samurai ever used a sword left handed

    • @takeshitheronin8952
      @takeshitheronin8952  Рік тому +13

      I’m right handed it’s just the camera flip and Myamoto Musashi was known for being left handed👌🏾

    • @memnoch3923
      @memnoch3923 Рік тому +4

      LMAO 🤣🤣🤣 always someone trying to piss on a parade. Myamoto got a book dog. Read something. Dude has beautiful form.

    • @ivanfiorani1363
      @ivanfiorani1363 Рік тому +1

      @@memnoch3923 I didn’t say anything about his skill, just the left hand…factual
      So you you can handle advice or criticism about what your doing, don’t do it.
      The author didn’t have a problem other than explaining why….maybe don’t be so woke and offended.

    • @memnoch3923
      @memnoch3923 Рік тому

      @@ivanfiorani1363 except it's not factual is it? If one of the greatest samurai was left handed... It's bull$#!t. I'm not offended at all just told you to read a book. Which ya probably should have done before talking out your neck again. Your the one that seems to be a bit triggered. Why don't you have a look in the mirror. See how your right becomes left? Cause if I'm woke.. then your an idiot. Homeboy got more zen than me. I don't care how you feel.

    • @ivanfiorani1363
      @ivanfiorani1363 Рік тому

      @@memnoch3923 again. No left handed samurai. But obviously if you use two swords on needs to be in your left hand, that doesn’t make your left handed. 🙄
      There was no left handed only samurai as the Japanese believed and still do to same degree, left handed mess is a defect

  • @robloxian20111
    @robloxian20111 8 місяців тому +1

    Bro forgot *santoryu*

  • @remusjr.morandante4509
    @remusjr.morandante4509 Місяць тому

    can you explain aikido way of the sword its for self defense you can use hand but like its name its used for a sword

  • @That1CrazyWeirdo
    @That1CrazyWeirdo Місяць тому

    May I ask if I’m not from Japan can I still find a mentor to teach me how to use a katana each time I visit Japan?

  • @ZoroTheSwordsmen
    @ZoroTheSwordsmen 25 днів тому

    how do i learn the 3 swords style

  • @amircarson2468
    @amircarson2468 8 місяців тому

    Where did you get all of these weapons?

  • @EpikusKnowsGod
    @EpikusKnowsGod 11 місяців тому +1

    Iado with real weapon is all fun and games until U slit Ur fingers (referring to sheathing part)

  • @jasminequerro9422
    @jasminequerro9422 4 місяці тому

    I love the fact that no one even commented it😂

  • @benjones2490
    @benjones2490 11 місяців тому

    All these are for either sport or practice cutting sheathing and drawing the katana.

  • @user-ux9ib1ef6y
    @user-ux9ib1ef6y 6 місяців тому

    U shodan or 2dan? Good stance