Did I quit learning Finnish? | Race To The Finnish | Ep. 10
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F.A.Q.
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• How old are you? •
31
• How tall are you? •
6ft 4 (or 192 cm)
• Where do you live? •
Helsinki, Finland
• What camera gear do you use in this video?•
Canon EOS R (body)
Canon EF 16-35 f4 L IS
Rode Video Mic Pro+
• What program do you edit with? •
Adobe Premiere Pro CC
I saw a post about your stolen bike on your Instagram. Sad to hear. I once had my bike stolen too. It was an expensive one and I was sad about it. I scoured the online store for used bikes and I came across one that looked just like mine. I still had the documents from when I purchased the bike and more importantly I had the serial number. So met up with the seller and saw that the serial number was the same. I told the seller that I would buy it within a week. The next day I called the police told them the story and with their help I got my bike back. Some say I'm too attached to that bike and I think so too.
Me too but I didn't manage to find mine. It was a black Jopo
@@DentsutXD My bike ones the kind you only see one or two people have. I also live in a small town (Rauma)
Mine was stolen and I found it but they had destroyed the serial number so even though I called the Police they said I cannot prove that it is mine cause there serial number is not readable. Even though it had clear markings that I had described to Police when I first reported it stolen. Police is a waist of time.
It's the principle of the matter. Good on you for taking the initiative to recover your stuff! I had my bike stolen a few years ago and I actually saw it multiple times afterwards cos it's a small city and apparently the thief went to the same university as I did... But the bike had been a recent gift to me, so I had no way to prove that the bike had ever been mine. I kept trying to find a good opportunity to steal my bike back, but one never came.
@@avatara82 waist of time = vyötärö ajasta/ ajan vyötärö 😉 or if you are not finnish, anyway I think you mean " waste " not waist, that's a body part 👖
You are right about ”Missä” and ”Mistä” :) you are getting better in every video!👍🏼keep it up
When your kid starts talking you'll start learning Finnish so much faster! I have a 3-year-old who talks a lot and it has helped me immensely in learning Finnish. I would recommend that you buy or borrow Suomen Mestari 1 and 2 and use the exercises in those books along with the audio material online. We've used those in the 3 courses I've attended here in HKI over the past 2 years and It's helped me a lot to understand the whole post-position -ssä -stä and so on.
Kristian Actually no because Cat speaks swedish to the baby so he is not going to speak finnish untill he goes to daycare or preschool.
@@Sami_T Why would anyone speak something else than their mother tongue to their kid? Cat has learned Finnish in school, so it's not her first language. Leo will pick up Finnish just like anyone else growing up in a Finnish speaking area in Finland. Isn't it great that he'll know three(!) languages in a very natural way!
@@Sami_T *if you're talking about the language, "spoke *swedish" 😊 I hope you can forgive me for this tiny correction, have a great day!
Being smart about your spending in these times shouldn't translate as failure. It's a smart move and the office looks great.
Now that you have the -ssa/-ssä v. -sta/-stä distinction, you can easily learn the -lla/-llä v. -lta/-lta distinction for "on" v. "from on. " Second consonant the same, position the same; second consonant "t," "t"ake a new position. You're doing great! Even during the lags, your brain is working to organize and consolidate what you've learnt.
I'm Finnish and this explanation confused even me lol. I know you're just trying to help though so that's good.
Depressing material. Sounds so Finnish!
So proud of you figuring out that sta/stä and ssa/ssä thing!! Nice work👌
I moved to Finland from the USA two years ago now and am in a death-match level struggle with this language. It's so hard for me to learn but I'm making some progress. I recently discovered your videos and it helps me to see another English speaking immigrant talking about the same things. You speak better than I do and you are inspiring me to get better. Thanks for making these and I hope to see more in the future.
Moved here a couple years ago as well. As long as you speak to others in Finnish, you'll improve!
Missä = where
Mistä = where from
Mihin = where to
Missä olemme = where are we
Mistä tulit = where did you come from
Mihin menet = where are you going
Vaintoehtoisesti "Minne"
Tai minne oot menossa
Keep it up man! Impressed by your work 😊🇫🇮🇸🇪
I just moved to Finland about 8 months ago and have been trying to learn the language too! It is funny how we are somewhat on the same level of Finnish and your series keeps me motivated to keep going! So far I have bought the books suomen masterit which have been really helpful!
You were really good already in the last video which was all in Finnish so just keep up the good work,glad to see such progress👍
Been a subscriber since 2016 :) you're getting better in finnish in every video
Your first Finnish video was so good that you definitely should do more of them! Learning by doing rules.
Good job Dave keep on learning Finnish you are getting better all the time I can tell!! :)
Yes, bike thefts is a Finland wide thing. There's big vans that the thiefs fill with bikes every other night.
In Helsinki, it's possible to have your bike stolen even from a locked bike storage. In other cities mostly only the bikes that are locked outside go.
Not only in Helsinki. I´ve had three bikes that´s been stolen in Kokkola. Twice from storage and once from out side. Bikes were also locked and those were cheap but fully working bikes...
Good work, Dave. Keep at it and you'll learn finnish.
Quite the handyman xD New office looks good.
That new office looks kinda fly tbh! 🔥
"Where" not only means "missä" or "mistä", but it can also be used for "minne". For example, "Where are you going on a holiday?" is "Minne (sinä/te) menet(te) lomalle?"
You are correct about missä/mistä. I suppose because you are a family father it does not allow you to do "kalsarikännit". But that´s a good way to spend boring days during this quarantine-shit.
Lol 😂
For me this quarantine had different affect considering studying languages. Watched House of flowers from Netflix and that inspired to start Spanish on Duolingo :) Good luck with continuing Finnish!
You know, you don't have to do the while video in Finnish. You could start in Finnish, where you go over what you've been doing, then switch to English? Or you could do a Finnish challenge like you did with learning the nursery rhyme. It doesn't have to be all Finnish or no Finnish. :)
Fin: Alat päästä jyvälle! (Engl. direct: You are getting on a grain) Engl. transl.: You are on to something! More idioms please.
A little cheer up to make your coffee better, seems you got some coffee grounds stuck in your "tippalukko" drip stop? Need to push it up a bit and rinse it to get them out and no more coffee grounds in the pot or in your mug :) ☕
That really sucks about the bike. :( Good to see you sticking with it ... and the Finnish will start coming along a LOT faster when the cartoons are constantly on TV. ;)
So fun watching these, since my daughter is about the same age (judging by the daily activities you are doing)
I love to watch your videos because i can see myself in them trying to learn language 😂
Yep. You know it's spring when bikes go wild and start disappearing 😞
One day you are going to be fluent!! HOW COOL IS THE NEW STUDIO SPACE!!
I know I'm not the only one who has been saying this but those few videos in Finnish that you have done have actually been really good. I'm not saying this to be nice but to try to boost your confidence with Finnish. You are good and you are getting even better.
It is as if English has dropped the endings in "wherein", "wherefrom" and "whereto". In fact Swedish retains the distinction "var/varifrån/vart". If you think about the English sentence this way then I think both Finnish and Swedish would become easier. You must choose one, there is no generic "where" in Finnish. "Wherein is the toilet?", "Wherefrom come you?", "Whereto should we go?"
Though there is the complication that in Swedish you ask "Wherein did you buy this?" but in Finnish it is "Wherefrom did you buy this?", and there is quite a list of verbs like that where the action happens "in" in Swedish but "from" in Finnish.
Are you paying attention to grammar and conjugation at all in your Finnish learning? It really helps with better understanding conjugations. My Finnish isn't what it used to be, because I don't really get much practice in, but I found that it all seems very overwhelming until you learn to understand the grammar, which (for the basics) doesn't need to take very long. I know you have the book From Start to Fin(n)ish, and I would definitely recommend reading through the chapters and doing some exercises, instead of only using the apps. There's something about using a physical textbook that makes it easier to really take in the information, I think.
Bike theft is definitely a Finland thing! at least it happens a lot here in Oulu too!
Spot on with your revelations. Not a Finnish teacher, but I suppose all question words beginning with "mi-" have a case ending attached to it, some of the actual meaning being less straight forward as with these ones expressing location. Just add the question "mihin" to your list of questions, and you have the basic words for expressing location and movement: something being (in) somewhere (missä) and moving *to* or *from* somewhere (mistä, mihin). (-hin is also a case ending, but less obvious here as -ssA and -stA due to more incoherent inflection, basically "Helsinkiin - to Helsinki" is Helsinki+hin at its deep structure)
These cases express so called inner location, close to English preposition or structures like in/from within etc. There are also three outer location cases (-llA, -ltA, -lle) to express things like "at" "to/from (the vicinity of sth)". There are good illustrations of this in the link shared by the user britishtf2.
Also while on the subject of location and questions, for practical reasons as cities are quite usual places of staying and movement, even though some Finnish cities or towns are inflected using the outer location cases (for example "in/from/to Helsinki" = Helsingissä/Helsingistä/Helsinkiin but "in/from/to Tampere" = Tampereella/-lta/-lle), the question word in these contexts still remains missä/mistä/mihin, not millä/miltä/mille.
I think the whole world is going through quarantine depression.. Hang in there 😊
You speak sooo good finnish. I'm proud of you. Good job...
I dont know if ppl have said this often to you, but about the confidence to speak finnish to someone is something that almost every finn that have ever traveled to anyother country can relate, very least i can. When ever I travel on a holiday to other countries (i dont do often) at first its so hard to gather your confidence to speak english to someone when its not absolutly nessesery, and i think imo i speak english moderately good. Gets easier after you just force yourself to do it over and over again, even when you end up feeling like a idiot and just want to melt away from the scene.
Srry for the long comment and cheers you doing great, keep up the good work even at times like these.
So sorry to hear about your bike 😔
I think cities Vaasa Oulu and Capital area are the areas where bike thefts occur mostly. I read that foreigners with native English spoken find it the most difficult to learn Finnish.
If you draw a cabinet and then type in the cabinet -ssa. On one (left) side of the cabinet, make an arrow to the left and type -sta. On the other (right) side of the cabinet, make an arrow pointing to the left and type -in. When you have that image ready you will see easier how to use -ssa, -lla, -sta and -in / -n. At the top of the cabinet you type -lla. Then an arrow on each side that goes to the left. The arrow that goes from -lla, where you type -lta and the arrow that goes to -lla you type -lle.
I hope a Finnish person can fix this if I made a mistake. :D
A point for Dave. One step closer learning finnish.
The word endings are the most important part of the language. Learn them and you learn the language.
6:36 Nice to know I wasn't the only one!😂 Vappu and Easter didn't help at all.
Yep, bike stealing is a Finnish thing. I used to live in Oulu for a few years and had my bike stolen in the first month of living there. We used to say that If you haven't had your bike stolen in Oulu you are not a real Oulu citizen. 2/4 of our friend group had their bikes stolen + one sad attempt that was apparently interrupted.
When in learning languages you feel like you're stuck and moving slower than before - it's a good moment to find a teacher.
Don't be sad, Dave. Summer is coming : )
I'm proud of you! 💪
Dave, try to read finnish texts on subjects you are really interested in. I found that to be the great way to learn a new language.
missä: where
mistä: from where
(from) where is she from?: mistä hän on kotoisin?
(from) where can i find her?: mistä löydän hänet
where is the train station?: Missä on juna-asema?
Where shall we meet?: Missä tapaisimme?
basically if you can stick a from in front of it, it's mistä
Good job Dave, you got this! "Hyvä työ Taavi, sinä sait tämän!" Yea won't work as an word to word translation, but you got it!
Your bike got stolen? :O I'm so sorry! My brand new bike got stolen too years ago. and I still think about it. Here in Oulu you have to to use chains to lock your bike, because there is apparently a lot of bike thiefs here.
You are correct with that sta/stä thing. U r doing good.
I have struggle to find the book you are talking about, where can I find it? 🤔
I challenge you to eat as many basic yellow onions as you can in a day. You can cook'em as you wish, but onion has to be the main focus of the dish. Cheers! Hope you accept the challenge of a random person hahahaha.
... why?
Unus Annus?
-SSÄ = at (where you at)
-STÄ = from (where you from)
-HIN = to (where you to)
Figure the other parallels like such and you're off (no, that is not proper queen's english).
Of course, there are exceptions as per usual, but those were my english language tips for myself, before stuff became self evident.
7:37 where i can buy the poster in the middle?😍 it's beautiful
Managing costs is just smart business.
Sorry to ask, but how much do euros per year?
I´m bored my office job, and i´m really thinking other options.
Like i how I react :D
In here Finland, always every year, someone stoles some bicycles, in every city, and not just once. And it was not long ago, when i heard from news that, bicycle stealing have grown, in this year/in last some years, and not just small amount.
I don't own now bicycle, and haven't own for many years. But i do remember, that twice in my lifetime, someone has stolen my bicycle, back in days, one in 90's and again, one in 2000´s (different bikes in both cases). Never again i haven't seen those bikes.
And in this city, many thief throws those stolen bikes, to Kymi (river), if they not keep or sell.
I've had two bikes stolen now from the storage area of my apartment block here in Finland.
Hyvä video
Now that you you know some Finnish, maybe you should react to some Finnish rock/pop songs that has an emphasis on lyrics. See how much do you understand.
Some examples are:
Eppu normaali - Murheellisten laulujen maa: ua-cam.com/video/LRFcnVjV7Fc/v-deo.html
Juice Leskinen - Rakkauden ammattilainen: ua-cam.com/video/-RpHYFxh5Ao/v-deo.html
Leevi and the Leavings - Pohjois-karjala: ua-cam.com/video/RG7ZijbR0oU/v-deo.html
Yö - Joutsenlaulu: ua-cam.com/video/P27RDc475T8/v-deo.html
Zen Café - Piha ilman sadettajaa: ua-cam.com/video/kXtoFQ9s3dA/v-deo.html
Irwin Goodman - Rentun ruusu: ua-cam.com/video/66ZmKaDmBiM/v-deo.html
M. A. Numminen - Kuinka saisin rikki kookospähkinän: ua-cam.com/video/c2UpFPL-CIo/v-deo.html
5:43 every parent ever with a baby 😅 so accurate 😂
I am going the next year to kuopio
Any advice?
Sorry about the bike, Dave. It's always a bummer - and a particularly heinous crime in my books. I'm not sure if it's junkies or Baltic gangs that are behind Helsinki's depressing bike theft stats Anyway, hope your home insurance covers the loss.
I've had two of mine stolen in the last three years. Now I have a foldable e-bike that is small and (just about) light enough so that I can carry it up three floors to my flat. That's how it's gonna be until someone finally invents a bike lock that can withstand an angle grinder. I have actually had this idea for a lock that releases sarin or anthrax if someone tries to tamper with it. Harsh? Maybe, but you shouldn't mess with a fella's vehicle.
And there is also "mihin" , means "to"
Minne*
@@kkong7573 Both go
Moikka Dave...i wonder what do you think about finns using english words and saying them in "finnish way"...they read english as it is written... it would be great if i could see an episode about that...btw that is pissing me off every time i come accros of it 😂😂😂
here is to confuse you: when you ask where's the toilet you can also say "mistä vessa löytyy?" :p
Well, it work in english too: from where can I find the toilet (= mistä vessa löytyy)
Completely correct, but way less used than the straightforward where's the toilet (Missä on vessa)
Yey! I also am ”killing it” being a baby. Although my family isn’t as impressed 😕
Again, I've commented this to you earlier I remember. You are too hard on your self! Also, the depression comes, and then it is most important you get yourself out of it, you do not have to apologize for not doing the videos. Please, learning Finnish should not be a race to you, because it will come if you learn a little every day ♥
hyvä video niinkyin aina
Dave you should use an app called LingQ for learning Finnish :)
Hi Dave
I like the smaller office. Ecologic.
I think that bikes being stolen is a Helsinki thing. Why would anyone sensible leave their bike on the street.
mistä is also used in things like mistä tämä kakku on tehty, what is this cake made of
AAAAANNNNNDDDD now I feel dumb. I have been struggling with those words for MONTHS! Even though I knew STÄ is 'from'.
Where? mistä /missä /minne /mihin
On the pre- and post-[what-ever-they-are-in-English] I recently found a video of Finnish grammar( ua-cam.com/video/K8OvpTGF4dM/v-deo.html ) and even as a native speaker I found it interesting. So if you dare to take another dip into the sea of Finnish grammar, that in my opinion is a good video to check out.
I recommened to you the youtube channels 'almost finns' and 'finnished'
Tapa, jolla sanoit jeesusteippi, oli kyllä just täydellinen! ^^"
Correct! Missä? -Helsingissä (in Helsinki). Mistä? Helsingistä (from Helsinki)
Sorry to hear about your bike :( it has become a bit of a problem in recent years the eastern european bike stealing gangs that have landed in finland too.. they drive around with their vans around the city looking for bikes and get a quick getaway out of the country.. I'm sure it's not as bad as in most other countries but yeah gotta keep your eyes open i guess, especially with an electric one.
Kinda like your office more. More relatable/cozy/personal? Dunno but that's my best guess.
Moar finnish videos!
You are an honest person. You feed your child, take care of him from birth. It is very cool. Forget this Finnish. Then everything will work out by itself.
Skip to 7:40 if you want to see the whole point of the video.
Come on Dave you are bigger than that ¨same shirt¨
Do you think and swear in finnish or English?
fy fan , is my favourite :D
missä? tässä.
mistä? täältä.
Minne? Tänne
Mihin? Tähän
I know like 15 people who's bike has been stolen here in finland last month
Ohh
"Missä" where in, where at. "Mistä" where from
Ehdottomasti enemmän videoita suomeksi. Mitä enemmän puhut (vaikka väkisin), sitä sujuvammin alkaa suomen kieli sujua. Kokemuksen perusteella on jokaisen vieraan kielen puhuminen aluksi hankalaa. Mutta jos olet pakotettu tai pakotat itse itsesi puhumaan, huomaat, että pian suomen kieli alkaa ikäänkuin vahingossa "soljua" suusta ulos.
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Sorry for ruining your 666 thumbs up on this video :O
Asutko sinä suomessa
New studio, paska sound !🤐
Dave ... straight ... stop bullshitting yourself. Finnish is damn hard. Go easier on yourself. Lower your language goals and get the small wins before moving on to harder stuff. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for failure and beating yourself up and all that goes with that. Small steps will win this race