You're Setting Up Your Cymbals Wrong (Do This Instead)
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
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Constantly cracking or breaking your cymbals? Your cymbal placement is likely wrong. You need to do this instead.
Chapters:
00:00 What you're going to learn
01:23 Crash Cymbal Positioning
01:47 The Angle Of Your Crash Cymbal
02:53 How To Strike Your Crash
04:19 Things To Note About Your Secondary Crash
05:00 Hi Hat Positioning
05:33 Hi Hat Spacing
05:52 Hi Hat Height
07:03 Ride Cymbal Position
08:22 Ride Cymbal Sitting Position Tips and Tricks
09:33 China Cymbal Positioning Tips and Tricks
In this video you will learn:
- How to position your cymbals
- How to hit your cymbals
- Why you're setting up your cymbals wrong
- How to correct your cymbal setup
- Crash, Hi Hat, and Ride Positioning
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Artists like Travis also have multiple sponsors also and get regular deliveries of cymbals, sticks, and heads so they don't have to worry about the damage. I don't have a full package sponsorship but I do have one for sticks and heads up to a specific amount for each year. Sponsorships are really nice but most people don't get that and I didn't have any for many years. Great Video!!
At least for the hi hat spacing, having a second one slightly closed for double bass stuff and one pretty open for foot control works for me
Always wanted a remote hi-hat for that!
@@CameronFleury one closed, one barely open. I’ve wanted to afford that
I've tried an extra hi hat before a couple of times but I can never place it comfortably. My ride, crash or tom are always in the way. 😑
@JewishCircumcision1155 - I've been using 2 hi-hats for almost 20 years. The hats to my right are on a "closed hat" boom arm attachment. You can open the hats on all of those types of attachment arms, and I have my hi-hat open just enough to sizzle. The one on the left (on a traditional hi-hat stand) is open a little bit more for the standard hi-hat play.
YES, two hi-hats are expensive, but that's if you're going for the professional lines. If you are using intermediate level lines, it's affordable and will still sound decent. When I first started using two sets of hats, I had Paiste Alphas, and my 2nd hats were a combo of a Sabian B8 bottom with a Zildjian New Beat top. It got the job done for not a lot of $$$.
I have since upgraded all my cymbals..... Seriously upgraded.
Man as a beginner drummer this really helped me understand the placement especially seeing as how I want to play metal. So this video really helped awesome brother thank you.
For cymbals that I might choke, I like to place my accent/crash cymbals at an arms length so that it's a comfortable distance to easily choke (not over extending). When the stick is in your hand, it'll be easily reachable still and you can easily play all the articulations (bell, bow, edge) to emphasise the musicality of the cymbal.
Thanks for this video. I'm going to show it to my roomate for sure, he's been bashing at my kit and it absolutely kills me to think he's ruining my what is now multiple thousand dollar cymbal investment because he doesn't know how to hit them.
love setup videos , I'd like one on positioning extra items, from cowbells and blocks to where and how to add electronic pads - think Danny Carey's Mandalas. Maybe how to run wires cleanly for mics and edrums?
As for tips, one of my favorites is taking marker to bottom of sticks and doing designs. X/O/Triangle/Numbers so I can easily identify matched pairs from my stick bag when I grab them.
Great idea about the cabling! Also, I have used that marking technique before, very useful! Thanks for sharing!
On ride particularly positioning on a multi-rod extension stand, as it tends to be the lowest or at least level with hi-hats. Don’t place it’s stand too high and try to compensate with the extension rod/ tilter to lower it. What will in fact happen is that you’ll have the free play of the cymbal compromised by the reflex angle of the tilter/rod ad damage it during playing. Avoid it by choosing set the cymbal stand base low and projecting the topmost support-rod and tilter upwards from that level; preferably with more than enough angle to prevent the struck cymbal (on the supported side away from the drummer) bouncing off the support-rod. As shown here, tilt the ride cymbal downwards towards the drummer to expose more of it playable surface. For those using crash ride then a higher position overall will provide less problems as you’ll need to have a better edge-swiping arc introduced as the cymbal elevation increases.
Thanks so much for the double bass control mini-course! You are a gentleman and a scholar! Two BIG thumbs up!
You bet!
Great vid and explanations!
Glad it helped!
Hellhammer is a perfect example of washing over cymbals, I thought it was odd at first but its great when you get used to it and it helps with timing and flow, nice vid
Totally agree!
may I suggest not having any flat lines when repairing that cymbal? from this angle it kind of looks like you simply had 3 lines.. if there are solid angles, those are potential points where the cracks can expand from, so it would help to round them off ;)
Thanks for the tip! I did not know that either. I'll have to do that. Thank you!
Good tutorial my friend! Very well explained... ❤️ your channel!!!
Thank you so much 🙂
very useful video! I already did some things (i.e. not having tight cymbals via wingnuts, but I hated that anyway, but great to know that also increases longevity), others like striking your cymbals with more surface area is also super helpful because other sound, better ergonomics and less cracks, so your purse is happier are also great additions. bigger issues are usually hi-hat and double pedal setup, because the way I like my hats crashes with the way I like to angle the second bass drum pedal usually... especially with an electronic kit.
Thank you! Pedal positioning can be tricky if your hi-hat stand doesn't swivel. But, it is possible to do. I used sit the hi-hat stand leg apex over top of the slave pedal. If that makes sense?
Great video!!!!
Great money saving advice!!!!!
I started tilting my cymbals, highlights (I use 2) , Chinas (2 again,) towards me about 5 years ago.
Also, I only use 1, 19" crash, to my left, and it's my least used, the ones I use most are my middle and right cymbals, but these are both 20" ride cymbals, because I won't break them (🤣)!!!!!!!!
Thank you for the instructional video! You have two crashes, presumably of different sizes. Which do you place on which side (smaller on the left, for example), and why?
Good point about the wing nut on the china. Ive wrecked a few like that LOL. LUCKILY was able to catch the crack early on and cut it out similar to yours. No real sound difference and saves a ton of cash. One thing that I noticed (and it might be the angle of the camera) is to try and file any sharp corners into round edges, then do a light sanding to smooth put the new edge. This should prevent any cracks from starting up again at those points.
That's what someone else had mentioned too. Definitely going to do that. Thank you!
@@CameronFleury no worries at all man! Love the series. Do you have one on mic placement?
@@MartinBellamyMBDrums here this is just what you're looking for: cameronfleury.com/drummers-guide-to-microphone-placement
@@CameronFleury awesome! I'll check it out! :) thank you!
Playing since 1978. Never cracked a cymbal and I'm told I'm a heavy hitter. Always played straight, Clem Burke style.
Thank you for this. I bought my first drum set a couple months ago. I swear everyday I'm moving something like 2 mm's lol. I only have 1 have 16 inch crash on my left side. I'd like to add a 18 inch crash too. Hell, I might just upgrade all my cymbals as my kit came with Meinl hcs cymbals. I know they are a cheap beginner set. Could you point me in the right direction of a stand that could hold my ride and that 18 inch crash or should I just buy another stand?
I was looking for the position of bottom HiHat tilting screw (or bolt). Should it always be at opposite side?
God bless for the video
Oh and another to remember is make sure your cymbal doesn't run away from you while trying to play! Always make sure there's a mat or something to hold the cymbal stand, this happened to me once while playing live and I had to reach so far out to hit it and if you use a heavy cymbal or ride, you can stick a bit of moongel to it to kinda get an agressive sound.
Yes! We need to be able to play the cymbal, let alone worry about everything else that could happen along the way. Interesting concept about the moongel on the cymbals! Thanks for sharing!
@@CameronFleury check out dollar tree window clings. I got a tip from a dude that days they are they exact same stuff just one cost a dollar . I have a lot of them. I'm going to try putting one on a cymbal and see what happens
Nice 👍🏽
Drawing the sound out, not bashing and beating. Working with it, not against it.
1:16 “Touch wood”💀
What song is playing in the background?
What pre do u use with the M179s? What polar pattern? I can't seem to use mine on toms without peaking them out. Maybe I'm just hitting too hard idk
Just a focusrite 18i20 with the hype cardioid pattern.
The high hat that I have has rough edges and its unstable too
Link to the double bass course not working 😠
nice cap! and logical explanations as well. :)
Glad you liked it!
A mini-tutorial on "how to set up/place your hi-hats so that you don't hate the recording engineer for putting the snare mic where your hats should go" might be a good short one. Assuming you don't have your own Granelli G5790 mic to get around that. ;-)
No granelli here! I'll see what I can do! Great suggestion, thank you!
I do not have a ride cymbal so I improvise by using my crash cymbal
Cómo colocar tus símbolos.
I just cracked the exact same crash at the beginning of the video after only a year. This is so depressing
Pretty sure you're covered under a 2 year warranty! Definitely get it replaced!
@@CameronFleury I will definitely look into it, I’m not sure why it cracked so fast. I don’t know if I was hitting it to hard or what.
Decent lesson , would recommend getting rid of the background music. It's very distracting lol. But otherwise I like the content!
HEY!!!!!! Can you do a Metallica song as nicko mcbrain?
I might just be up to it! Any song requests?
Frayed ends of sanity! It's a good song and I think it would sound good as nicko! I love your drumming to. And speaking of broken cymabals I have 2 zbts that are almost split in half! I'm only 13 so I don't have enough money to by more.😭
Mike Mangini disagrees with everything in this video
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Orchestrating an orchestra should not be confused with conducting a conductor .
_"You're Setting Up Your Cymbals Wrong"_
Oh how I love videos where already the title tells me that I am doing something wrong. Well, my cymbals are perfectly fine where they are, thanks.
Goddamn he talks too much......
You talked for over 6 minutes without striking a cymbal and then you only hit the hi-hat! My suggestion to you is to talk less, physically demonstrate more. With all due respect, poor instructional/demonstrative video.
THERES A DAMN MOTH!