Also, HSR should really add a gear loadout now so save equipment sets if its not already there. I can only imagine how annoying it is for you guys to swap relics all freakin day to make us videos like this
As much as we all want it, I don’t think they will ever add it simply because they want players to spend more stamina farming more relics to give to more units, instead of easily swapping gears around, but that’s just my corporate opinion 😂
@@mrpokkee maybe, but they've already caved and increased max Vitality despite that potentially affecting daily retention. Genshin still hasn't changed that. Competition will help fuel these compromises in the future as well (hopefully) although Hoyoverse seems to be in their own league right now...
Wait till you hear the GI players practically begged Mhy for years, but fell on deaf ears just for they" planning to develop" recently. It's 4.2 now meanwhile planned in 4.0,I reckon it won't happen till 4.5 at least.
The difference between 10% damage Bonus and 10% crit damage is that when ur unit don’t crit, they benefit from damage bonus rather than crit damage,and ur units will not crit occasionally unless it’s 100%. And dot units also can’t take advantage of crit damage as well.In all It is a very small and almost negligible difference. Good video, keep up the good work.
tl;dw: Clara - stick with 4pc physical if already built; 2/2pc FuA/phys or musk is a sidegrade Jing Yuan - 4pc FuA Topaz - 4pc FuA Himeko - -stick with 4pc Fire; 4pc FuA falls off with single enemy- update: use 4pc FuA for Pure Fiction Kafka - 4pc DoT Guinaifen - 4pc Dot Sampo - 4pc DoT Luka - 4pc Dot *Glamoth is a direct upgrade from SSS *Penacony is equal with Vonwaq
Very accurate information. I've been dumping 1400+ trailblaze power since launch, and I can confirm that Topaz and JY's damage boost was very apparent. Topaz could be somewhat tricky to use if you want to play her as an SP positive support damage dealer since she'll have a lot of speed if you want to generate good SP and that resets her stacks quite often. The DOT team was not as impressive as I thought it would be, probably because of the significant speed downgrade from not having good rolls. The small damage difference wasn't enough to make up for the speed lost thus far. Rolling for speed alone is surprisingly more difficult than double-crit rolls.
I was farming speed set for a month and didn’t even get one chest with speed. And than imagine actually getting lucky enough to roll multiple times on speed. Getting crit is so much easier.
@@jarjar3872Atk chest stacked with speed is definately like looking for a unicorn. I did manage to get a 10 speed glamoth atk rope though, so my Kafka has achieved one major goal there.
Love this breakdown, we really appreciate it! Even small optimizations add up, Im curious about unit patch comparisons, like a 1.2 Kafka dot team to whatever the best will be in 2.0 or even 1.0 JY best team dmg output compared to now. the new 5* Harmony and 5* Nihility LC’s could also warrant getting multiple copies of, like I could run Jingliu with RM+another harmony both with the LC or eventually Kafka with a team comprising of the new 5* nihility unit and another dot enabler with the 5* LC if its a decent dmg boost. we have great LCs already but it could add some interesting complexity
Hooooooooly thank you so much for the tip! Yeap some great future content for sure, the more options we have the harder it is to find the “best” setup.
@@mrpokkeelooking at you Mr. Pokke to completely trigger the r/Jing yuan mains again hehe. Heck I'm still farming for the follow up set too for Jing Yuan. Been able to clear MOC since I started watching you so thanks for making a clear guide for us to better understand the weaknesses and strengths of our chosen mains!
Very happy with how the dot set is working out cause I was already running resolution on sampo as my sub dps and Kafka has her signature so all 3 dots are covered easily
I think Penacony is especially good for Yukong. Vonwaq has the problem of potentially messing up rotations and spd tuning since the 40% advance forward will likely send her to the top (and in DHIL teams for example you want her to go just before DHIL). With Penacony spd tuning becomes easier, and the 5% ERR makes it easier for her to get her ultimate, therefore making her more sp positive. Thoughts?
the moment 1.5 dropped, I immediately used a self-modeling resin to make an ERR rope of the Penacony set for Yukong, and it made me breathe a sigh of relief that she now is always 3rd to attack, right before Dan Heng IL it kept bothering me that the Vonwacq set would make her go 1st at the start of the battle, thus Dan Heng wouldn't get Yukong's buff until the next cycle
Thanks for the break-down! One thing I'd put more emphasis on it opportunity cost. Sure, the phys set is slightly better on Clara, but the difference is small enough that you might actually never find a set that makes that difference show. Especially considering Wild Wheat is given from world bosses and there's more flexibility in 2 + 2 p. From my perspective the recommendation even for a Clara main would be to absolutely not farm the phys set. What does the 1% difference equate to? A single substat?
also the calcs include skill with clara when generally if you're playing clara right she is just doing her follow up attacks mostly. you're not goign to waste skill points when someone else is doing more bulk damage.
The perfect timing of winning 50/50 on Topaz, losing 50/50 to Himeko on Huohuo's Banner, then Ashblazing Grand Duke relic release. I'm gonna live in these updated stuff for quite awhile
My clara is on 4p Longevive, 4400 HP with a 4* LC, 2,5k Atk and TC is 53/190 (but in game is 97/190) all of that with energy rope and perform very well
One thing I've not seen much discussion on: The DoT set on incidental DoT characters. Himeko, Hook and Serval for instance. Hook in particular is often recommended to use Firesmith mix over the full set, which compares unfavourably with prisoner from my own calcs if you have any team members enable it (a second DoT character, a defence shredder, break DoTs). Having to run 2 DoT characters to make the set work on a third probably isn't worth it for non-DoT carries (not unless we get a Guinaifen inflicting defence shred instead of vulnerability). Not sure where stands on Serval but might not compete with the Duke on Himeko.
I've been trying to figure out if it's worth pursuing a Penacony set for Pela in Jingliu teams, instead of Keel. I've heard that Jingliu is fairly hungry for DMG%, even more so than Crit. Looking at energy calcs for Pela is an entire science in its own right though, since most calcs are made without 1 skill use (E4 ice res shred is good). I can't figure out if the 5% ER will be useful for her. She's E6 with S3 Resolution and using 4 Wind + 2 Keel. S5 Tutorial is for SW on my Seele team, but I know Pela is just crazy with that LC. Either way I'll farm a bit in world 8 cause I know SW would love Penacony over her current Vonwacq...
I really didnt want to rebuild Kafka from the ground up again since ifinally nailed the crit ratios and 134spd with either dotka and kritka loadouts..... But alright mother, i will farm some more...
I knew it, ever since Kafka's Banner was out, every single banner until HuoHuo was filled with DoT characters and then Topaz was paired best with Critka/Attacka and then now even the ArchDuke set is also BENEFITING KAFKA?! Bruh it truly is Kafka Star Rail here.
No other HSR player would be able to show the numbers that evidently proves what is an upgrade and HOW IMPACTFUL each upgrade is. Thank you so much, I will be rewatching hella
What's your opinion on 4p DoT set for Mono Fire teams? Most fire characters have a built-in burn in their kit, not to mention their high toughness damage, so the 4p effect can easily be capped out.
Sad that the FA set doesn’t really work on Clara only the 2 piece set. Tho Imma refarm again for Kafka god damn, welp thanks for the in-depth video of these relic really helps alot.
A tip when using topaz with grand duke is that don’t use her basic she will reset the attack buff due to her basic being a follow up,and tbh when using the new set for jy asta is not needed it overcaps the jy’s attack speed boots is better now with the new set
@@samkelly5045 Agree! So far only Jing Yuan and Hiimeko makes the full out of the effect of the FUA Set cuz their skills and ult can benefit from the stacks before the next FUA occurs.
This "100% buff uptime on Topaz" looks useless because she removes it every time before her attack. Her attack is follow-up attack, and removing such buffs happen right before the first attack. So yes, she got 7 or 8 stucks from her pig but can't use it at all.
if my team consisted of kafka and 2 dot units, and on units, should i put the prisoner set on all my dot units (including kafka) to get maximum damage or is putting the prisoner set on my kafka good enough?
Grand Duke is so good on Topaz but I don't think I will be farming it. Currently I have 80% Crit Rate , 160% Crit Damage and 3.2k Atk. I got extremely lucky with relic rolls and trying to get those same stats again seems like a waste of stamina. Much rather use that stamina to build other characters
So in conclusion I can get much higher dmg with these new set on my Kafka right after I just finished building her?! Good thing I went for 2 piece + 2 piece sets
Mr.Pokke, is it confirmed that 10% damage and 10% critical damage make a difference of less than 1%? That seems weird, especially when there are characters out there who have a lot of critical damage already, which provides diminishing returns at some point.
Mr. Pokke, I have a doubt I would like to ask you. Is Fleet of The Ageless on all 4 units better than Space Sealing or Glamoth on DoT teams? Assuming the spd requirement is met, shouldn't the team have 32% atk for all units, compared to 16% for each unit. The team in question is Kafka, Sampo, Gui and Fu Xuan.
Tysm for this video, I was wondering how the new relic sets would affect some charatcers, especially seele, good content as always, liked. PS: with BIS relics now changed in a certain few characters, are you going to change the CN guides for them?
Hi everyone! Just wondering about the 2-set effect of Rutilant Arena, will it still take effect if I just get the remaining crit requirement outside of the base stat of my character? Example: I only have 60%CR and just plan to get additional crit buff from Fu Xuan.
I alrdy got 4 pc sizzling thunder on kafka with attack boots with total stats of 4.1k attack and 130 speed. It would be pain in the ass if i farm again for godly speed substats in the new relic set
@@mrpokkee I have s1 so I stopped at 130. But sure, I'll try farming the new one since dot Kafka is really easy to build and maybe and can get some for jing yuan too lmao
Sorry if I already asked this question to you before (i don't to come out pushing you to rush), but when will you be updating the general resources in your website? Love your content as always
thank you for the informative video! do you think that if Jing Yuan can hit the speed requirements, that Glamoth might be better than Salsotto for him? I feel like it won’t be but I’d love to know your thoughts :) thanks again mrpokke
Basically, the DoT set isn't that great of a buff for DoT users currently. If only we could get a DoT unit that also shreds defense, then it's over. If only :)
Just something important, when discussing the dot relic set u says it gives def reduction which it doesnt! It allows the wearer to IGNORE the enemy def it doesnt reduce their defense like pela or sw does so it doesnt stack in the same way
Soo, is 2 piece speed/ 2 piece follow up better than 2 piece speed / 2 piece fire damage for topaz, lightning damage for jingyun? Also for clara, maybe 2 piece muskateer/ 2 piece follow up if you don't have a full physical set. I am really into 2 piece / 2 piece combos if they are comparable, because it makes farming much more effecient.
i personally dont even run 2+2, just rainbow gear because im poor :( dmg wise, 2/2 fua/musket btr since all of topaz hits are considered fua. jy wants the lightning/atk more if not 4p since only LL is fua
Pan galactic has always been copium. You don't need more than 67% ehr, ever. Most nihility lc provide high ehr already only needing a few subs. SSS was already superior to Pan galactic and now Glamoth is even better. If you already have a very good set of Pan galactic though, prioritize traces, levels, lc and finally relics. There isn't much else to spend fuel so farming every new set comes naturally.
@@mrpokkee Thanks for the reply!! I recently got bailu LC in the standard banner and I've been wondering if I need to change some stuff with the new event cone out.
wait so... am i dumb or is this really not worth it because i had really good stats on my lightning set and cant get good DoT set at all for my Kafka lmfao only 6% overall increase on paper doesnt seem worth my fuel and time
Just to be sure, how you gonna keep your guides at date with these new artfacts coming? Are you going to update the Pokkelibrary or just keep them in your videos?
pokke library will be updated, there is a section on build summaries where I will update all units. trying to keep it updated whenever new relics drop :)
It’s not necessary, the buff resets with every follow up attack including Numby, so using her basic doesn’t affect Numby’s damage whatsoever. You can only keep the buff stacks if you use an attack that isn’t considered a follow up, like Jing Yuan’s skill for example. However that doesn’t mean the follow up set is useless on her, even if the buff stacks constantly reset she still deals more damage than her old relic sets
@@jodanjo4295her skill said follow up attack, last sentence clearly said it Idk why people think her skill are not FUA, or am I missing something? She still can use 2 piece set for 20 bonus FUA attack which is huge
u lose one instance for a 7x stack buffed numby hit, but in the grand scheme of things its not that bad. if ur topaz is main DPS, always skill. sub dps, weave in AA and skill
4pc sets are pretty underwhelming in this game, especially ones that give ATK since many supports already provide ATK buffs and so you get diminishing returns. Without knowing your other stats I'd say go for the 2p2p, 35cv is pretty nutty.
@@kingsimba9513yeah I was thinking the same as my current Himeko with her sig lightcone stats are already good I guess? 190 crit damage with 60% crit rate. I use her with Fu Xuan and Silverwolf plus Asta. Her attack is currently 2700+ without Asta buff :D
I wondered about this too last patch when i saw Argenti, think it's gonna be his BiS 4* option, considering most of his dmg comes from his enhanced Ult.
I was hopping to graduate from Critka to a proper DoT Kafka from farming these new relics, but lo and behold...... I'VE SPEND 1500 ENERGY AND ALL GOOD RELICS THAT I GET ARE ALL FOR CRITS BUILD, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOYO PLS STOP GIVING ME DOUBLE CRITS ON THE WRONG FUCKING SET!!!!!!!! *P.S. idk why, but on my account 2 Grand Duke's + 2 Musketeer/Fire seems perform better compared to 4 Grand Dukes for Topaz and Numby with comparable subs. I'm using Atk Boots and Ropes on both test (still maintain 134 SPD).
Am I crazy thinking the Glamoth set even at 1st speed break point for Blade giving him 12% boost on all damage instead of 15% just basic attacks or ultimate/follow ups from the other sets would just be better? Let’s find out
The DMG boost Is calculated after all the numbers are completed, while the % boost on salsotto and Rutilant is additive that's added before being calculated + DMG boost so I think what you're planning is bad for blade.
I think the follow up set will be even further better on Critka since she typically is purposely speed tuned to do 3 to 5 follow ups per cycle in such a setup. Also, the difference the 10% dmg makes vs. 10% crit dmg will depend on relics. If you have very high crit dmg, the 10% dmg starts to become a bigger difference than fleet vs. broken keel. On a character like Jingliu, this is almost always going to be the case. That is to say, from a pure DPS perspective, it would be an upgrade over Broken Keel for a character like Pela on a Jingliu Hyper Carry team.
I get that you have to get paid as a youtuber but dishonest advertising pisses me off so much and saying it's a good idea to take a caffine supliment before a workout is actual medical misinformation. A proper pre-workout supplement is not just the same thing as soda they ususally have caffeine but also a number of other things to actually give you a boost of energy not just a false sense of not being tired that can lead to pushing the body too hard. And even those are not really well liked by doctors.
Bruh when will people learn to not use asta with jing Yuan 🤡.... Overcapping in attack will obviously give him less damage... A team like huo huo, yukong e6/pela, tingyun is much better.... His new set shows it clearly he dont want more attack but rather other buffs like defence doen and cr/cd ...
Asta is mostly there to allow Jing Yuan to move twice before LL takes action. His base speed is very low (99 base speed), with SPD boots, he needs another 17 speed to act before LL. Tingyun E1 alone is enough, but she's extremely sought after so you might have to put her on another team. Dance! Dance! Dance! only lasts for 1 turn.
@@AevyCh bruh it's better to get those speed substats rather then giving him a attack boots people cry about other characters being over buff by attack alot but can't get this speed substats.... Also it's not that hard to get this speed and dance dance dance if above s3 can already give him 10 stacks LL all the time.... If u can go all out for cd for a character like jing liu why can't people go for this speed substats for mid maxing there jing yuan too... This just feels like down.play at this point....
@@AevyCh well by just removing asta from the team he performs way better then anything else I even have the proof needed it's almost a huge increase in damage but nah people will still over cap in attack and say my jing yuan don't do damage ....
If I stacked 3 Penacony on SW/Fu xaun/Lynx do i get the 30% ele dmg for Seele or it dosnt stack ? If it does then I'll stack it as well on Yukong/Luocha for Dhil ele dmg boost alongside Planetary rendezvous on Yukong Can also stack it on Bronya for Blade or Tingyun for either Kafka or Jingyuan, also on Pela/Ruan mei for Jingliu....
It does stack like the 10 Crit DMG. If I learned something from hoyoverse games is that if it doesn't stand things like "this effect can not be stacked" it works You can see that in the 4pc Hackerspace this is written ,because it doesn't stack
Also, HSR should really add a gear loadout now so save equipment sets if its not already there. I can only imagine how annoying it is for you guys to swap relics all freakin day to make us videos like this
As much as we all want it, I don’t think they will ever add it simply because they want players to spend more stamina farming more relics to give to more units, instead of easily swapping gears around, but that’s just my corporate opinion 😂
@@mrpokkee maybe, but they've already caved and increased max Vitality despite that potentially affecting daily retention. Genshin still hasn't changed that. Competition will help fuel these compromises in the future as well (hopefully) although Hoyoverse seems to be in their own league right now...
Wait till you hear the GI players practically begged Mhy for years, but fell on deaf ears just for they" planning to develop" recently. It's 4.2 now meanwhile planned in 4.0,I reckon it won't happen till 4.5 at least.
@@mrpokkeeidk they're really receptive to giving us qol stuff, would be worth raising the question
They have it in Honkai Impact, and that's actual gacha gear you're swapping around, not just stuff you get with stamina.
The difference between 10% damage Bonus and 10% crit damage is that when ur unit don’t crit, they benefit from damage bonus rather than crit damage,and ur units will not crit occasionally unless it’s 100%. And dot units also can’t take advantage of crit damage as well.In all It is a very small and almost negligible difference. Good video, keep up the good work.
tl;dw:
Clara - stick with 4pc physical if already built; 2/2pc FuA/phys or musk is a sidegrade
Jing Yuan - 4pc FuA
Topaz - 4pc FuA
Himeko - -stick with 4pc Fire; 4pc FuA falls off with single enemy- update: use 4pc FuA for Pure Fiction
Kafka - 4pc DoT
Guinaifen - 4pc Dot
Sampo - 4pc DoT
Luka - 4pc Dot
*Glamoth is a direct upgrade from SSS
*Penacony is equal with Vonwaq
Very accurate information.
I've been dumping 1400+ trailblaze power since launch, and I can confirm that Topaz and JY's damage boost was very apparent.
Topaz could be somewhat tricky to use if you want to play her as an SP positive support damage dealer since she'll have a lot of speed if you want to generate good SP and that resets her stacks quite often.
The DOT team was not as impressive as I thought it would be, probably because of the significant speed downgrade from not having good rolls. The small damage difference wasn't enough to make up for the speed lost thus far. Rolling for speed alone is surprisingly more difficult than double-crit rolls.
second part really true for me, I end up having crit set for whatever I farm before I get good speed+atk roll.
I was farming speed set for a month and didn’t even get one chest with speed. And than imagine actually getting lucky enough to roll multiple times on speed. Getting crit is so much easier.
I've also had more problems with getting speed compared to double crit.
@@jarjar3872 Then whenever you get speed on the relic, it rolls into flat hp 4 times 🗿
@@jarjar3872Atk chest stacked with speed is definately like looking for a unicorn.
I did manage to get a 10 speed glamoth atk rope though, so my Kafka has achieved one major goal there.
Love this breakdown, we really appreciate it! Even small optimizations add up, Im curious about unit patch comparisons, like a 1.2 Kafka dot team to whatever the best will be in 2.0 or even 1.0 JY best team dmg output compared to now. the new 5* Harmony and 5* Nihility LC’s could also warrant getting multiple copies of, like I could run Jingliu with RM+another harmony both with the LC or eventually Kafka with a team comprising of the new 5* nihility unit and another dot enabler with the 5* LC if its a decent dmg boost. we have great LCs already but it could add some interesting complexity
Hooooooooly thank you so much for the tip! Yeap some great future content for sure, the more options we have the harder it is to find the “best” setup.
@@mrpokkeelooking at you Mr. Pokke to completely trigger the r/Jing yuan mains again hehe. Heck I'm still farming for the follow up set too for Jing Yuan. Been able to clear MOC since I started watching you so thanks for making a clear guide for us to better understand the weaknesses and strengths of our chosen mains!
Very happy with how the dot set is working out cause I was already running resolution on sampo as my sub dps and Kafka has her signature so all 3 dots are covered easily
I think Penacony is especially good for Yukong. Vonwaq has the problem of potentially messing up rotations and spd tuning since the 40% advance forward will likely send her to the top (and in DHIL teams for example you want her to go just before DHIL). With Penacony spd tuning becomes easier, and the 5% ERR makes it easier for her to get her ultimate, therefore making her more sp positive. Thoughts?
OH thanks for this idea i didnt even think of it and i use my yukong with DHIL
@@SuperSilver7591 ur welcome! I'm trying to farm this set for her rn hehe
the moment 1.5 dropped, I immediately used a self-modeling resin to make an ERR rope of the Penacony set for Yukong, and it made me breathe a sigh of relief that she now is always 3rd to attack, right before Dan Heng IL
it kept bothering me that the Vonwacq set would make her go 1st at the start of the battle, thus Dan Heng wouldn't get Yukong's buff until the next cycle
Thanks for the break-down! One thing I'd put more emphasis on it opportunity cost. Sure, the phys set is slightly better on Clara, but the difference is small enough that you might actually never find a set that makes that difference show. Especially considering Wild Wheat is given from world bosses and there's more flexibility in 2 + 2 p. From my perspective the recommendation even for a Clara main would be to absolutely not farm the phys set. What does the 1% difference equate to? A single substat?
absolutely agreed!
also the calcs include skill with clara when generally if you're playing clara right she is just doing her follow up attacks mostly. you're not goign to waste skill points when someone else is doing more bulk damage.
Clara mains already farmed the phys set, its the new set thats not worth it
The perfect timing of winning 50/50 on Topaz, losing 50/50 to Himeko on Huohuo's Banner, then Ashblazing Grand Duke relic release. I'm gonna live in these updated stuff for quite awhile
Weird. I just searched “star rail new relics” and this came up. What timing.
14:28 "this is an extremely extremely rare situation for Tingyun to not get hit across 3 turns" got me good
My clara is on 4p Longevive, 4400 HP with a 4* LC, 2,5k Atk and TC is 53/190 (but in game is 97/190) all of that with energy rope and perform very well
Yessirr, i just looked up for ur video about the new relics 2 hours ago, and here it issss!!!
YUGE!
One thing I've not seen much discussion on: The DoT set on incidental DoT characters. Himeko, Hook and Serval for instance. Hook in particular is often recommended to use Firesmith mix over the full set, which compares unfavourably with prisoner from my own calcs if you have any team members enable it (a second DoT character, a defence shredder, break DoTs). Having to run 2 DoT characters to make the set work on a third probably isn't worth it for non-DoT carries (not unless we get a Guinaifen inflicting defence shred instead of vulnerability).
Not sure where stands on Serval but might not compete with the Duke on Himeko.
great vid as always! was waiting for these calculations
I've been trying to figure out if it's worth pursuing a Penacony set for Pela in Jingliu teams, instead of Keel. I've heard that Jingliu is fairly hungry for DMG%, even more so than Crit. Looking at energy calcs for Pela is an entire science in its own right though, since most calcs are made without 1 skill use (E4 ice res shred is good). I can't figure out if the 5% ER will be useful for her. She's E6 with S3 Resolution and using 4 Wind + 2 Keel. S5 Tutorial is for SW on my Seele team, but I know Pela is just crazy with that LC. Either way I'll farm a bit in world 8 cause I know SW would love Penacony over her current Vonwacq...
I really didnt want to rebuild Kafka from the ground up again since ifinally nailed the crit ratios and 134spd with either dotka and kritka loadouts.....
But alright mother, i will farm some more...
Is penacony the new bis on yukong? Vonwaq wasnt an option on her due to her speed tuning necessity.
Also wondering this for imaginary team, esp with Dr ratio coming
I knew it, ever since Kafka's Banner was out, every single banner until HuoHuo was filled with DoT characters and then Topaz was paired best with Critka/Attacka and then now even the ArchDuke set is also BENEFITING KAFKA?! Bruh it truly is Kafka Star Rail here.
No other HSR player would be able to show the numbers that evidently proves what is an upgrade and HOW IMPACTFUL each upgrade is. Thank you so much, I will be rewatching hella
U don't watch artumbo? lol
I was using Talia for SW. Guess the 5% ER is too good to pass up. But the 70k break effect damage is so gooood.
What's your opinion on 4p DoT set for Mono Fire teams? Most fire characters have a built-in burn in their kit, not to mention their high toughness damage, so the 4p effect can easily be capped out.
Theoretically it can work but if you're only gonna be able to sustain that DOT, and since fire set is kinda ass so it works
neh, cause u dont have def reduction sources like pela/sw, so final dmg increase wont be super obvious
Wait until we have Fire Harmony/Fire Abundance first in order for that to be possible like Quantum/Imaginary mono lol.
W VIDEO ANALYSIS, I LOVE IT AND THANK YOU
Sad that the FA set doesn’t really work on Clara only the 2 piece set. Tho Imma refarm again for Kafka god damn, welp thanks for the in-depth video of these relic really helps alot.
Clara Boxing set is already quite effortless to trigger its effect. IMO out of seven element relic, Boxing set is the second best after Quantum set
I wonder if the dot set will be better later when we start to hit diminishing returns on attack which i believe is around 6000
Thanks for the work always mr. pookie
A tip when using topaz with grand duke is that don’t use her basic she will reset the attack buff due to her basic being a follow up,and tbh when using the new set for jy asta is not needed it overcaps the jy’s attack speed boots is better now with the new set
Numby also resets the stacks, it wouldn’t make a difference
@@samkelly5045 Agree! So far only Jing Yuan and Hiimeko makes the full out of the effect of the FUA Set cuz their skills and ult can benefit from the stacks before the next FUA occurs.
u can still use AA if u ran out of SP, but yes try to keep to skills only for perma 7-8 stacks
This "100% buff uptime on Topaz" looks useless because she removes it every time before her attack. Her attack is follow-up attack, and removing such buffs happen right before the first attack. So yes, she got 7 or 8 stucks from her pig but can't use it at all.
question how do stacking DoTs like Wind Sheer work with the DoT set? are they counted as one DoT or does every stack give the 6% def ignore
if my team consisted of kafka and 2 dot units, and on units, should i put the prisoner set on all my dot units (including kafka) to get maximum damage or is putting the prisoner set on my kafka good enough?
Grand Duke is so good on Topaz but I don't think I will be farming it. Currently I have 80% Crit Rate , 160% Crit Damage and 3.2k Atk. I got extremely lucky with relic rolls and trying to get those same stats again seems like a waste of stamina. Much rather use that stamina to build other characters
if your current stat is good enough, definitely save them!
For E1 silver wolf energy gain, should the rope be atk% or energy regeneration in order to 2 turn ult?
So in conclusion I can get much higher dmg with these new set on my Kafka right after I just finished building her?!
Good thing I went for 2 piece + 2 piece sets
Mr.Pokke, is it confirmed that 10% damage and 10% critical damage make a difference of less than 1%? That seems weird, especially when there are characters out there who have a lot of critical damage already, which provides diminishing returns at some point.
Mr. Pokke, I have a doubt I would like to ask you. Is Fleet of The Ageless on all 4 units better than Space Sealing or Glamoth on DoT teams? Assuming the spd requirement is met, shouldn't the team have 32% atk for all units, compared to 16% for each unit. The team in question is Kafka, Sampo, Gui and Fu Xuan.
Though it is possible that Glamoth can compete with Asta's spd boost.
not tested, but without asta its very difficult to hit 160. 32% teamwide atk might be better!
@@mrpokkee Thanks a lot. Was confused on what to optimize in my team relics. Guess I'll farm Ageless after all.
i wonder how well dot set works on himeko. with asta and guinafen its easy to have 3 dots live. i dont see how it stacks up to other options
Exactly the guide that i needed.
as DOT and FUA gacha skipper, I guess I can spend my resources farming elsewhere xD
DOT4 set seems nice to pre-farm for future uses tho..
Kafka benefits from the Follow up set? WHAT
have you ever considered if 2pc musketeer 2pc prisoner is viable for the 24% atk?
Kinda sad that there's so little upgrade % for Kafka, but I got nothing better to do so I'm still gonna farm it lol
already dumped 2000 stamina on the set :)
Topaz also uses Asta tho right? So wouldn't you want atk boots instead?
Tysm for this video, I was wondering how the new relic sets would affect some charatcers, especially seele, good content as always, liked.
PS: with BIS relics now changed in a certain few characters, are you going to change the CN guides for them?
Hi everyone! Just wondering about the 2-set effect of Rutilant Arena, will it still take effect if I just get the remaining crit requirement outside of the base stat of my character? Example: I only have 60%CR and just plan to get additional crit buff from Fu Xuan.
Yes
Awesomeness, thanks
imagine, Tingyun NOT getting hit :peepoweird:
I alrdy got 4 pc sizzling thunder on kafka with attack boots with total stats of 4.1k attack and 130 speed.
It would be pain in the ass if i farm again for godly speed substats in the new relic set
id still farm if i were u, 130 is slightly low, if u have S1 can aim for 146 to hit 160 for glamoth :)
@@mrpokkee I have s1 so I stopped at 130. But sure, I'll try farming the new one since dot Kafka is really easy to build and maybe and can get some for jing yuan too lmao
Sorry if I already asked this question to you before (i don't to come out pushing you to rush), but when will you be updating the general resources in your website? Love your content as always
absolutely, one day :,)
Finally our pokke can release this video. I remember in twitch he wants to upload this after special livestream 1.5 but he cant lol
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thank you for the informative video! do you think that if Jing Yuan can hit the speed requirements, that Glamoth might be better than Salsotto for him? I feel like it won’t be but I’d love to know your thoughts :) thanks again mrpokke
Basically, the DoT set isn't that great of a buff for DoT users currently. If only we could get a DoT unit that also shreds defense, then it's over. If only :)
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E0S0 JY worth farming duke set if already farmed lightning set?
If poor subs yes
Just something important, when discussing the dot relic set u says it gives def reduction which it doesnt! It allows the wearer to IGNORE the enemy def it doesnt reduce their defense like pela or sw does so it doesnt stack in the same way
interesting, care to elaborate or give example?
It does stack the exact same way in regards to personal damage. Only difference is its a self buff not a debuff affecting the whole team.
Has anyone tested herta with the follow up set
I think plenty of people have and it's just not worth it over ice set. Especially if you've already got a good set
Oh ty cuz i was wondering if i should put it on her or not
Soo, is 2 piece speed/ 2 piece follow up better than 2 piece speed / 2 piece fire damage for topaz, lightning damage for jingyun? Also for clara, maybe 2 piece muskateer/ 2 piece follow up if you don't have a full physical set. I am really into 2 piece / 2 piece combos if they are comparable, because it makes farming much more effecient.
2 piece fire / 2 piece FUA deal more damage than other
Substats matter still 😢
i personally dont even run 2+2, just rainbow gear because im poor :(
dmg wise, 2/2 fua/musket btr since all of topaz hits are considered fua. jy wants the lightning/atk more if not 4p since only LL is fua
Do you ever get the feeling when your IL move spd like LL? oh no no no
Is it worse for topaz if I run 2 piece fire and 2 piece follow up if I have an attack orb and attack boots with 126 speed
I guess it's time to farm relics for my DoT characters. They've been on copium musketeer relics lol.
meanwhile me with musketeer/genius/longevous/guard mix :,)
Does break effect dot count separate from the normal dot if they are the same type?
yes, different. look at the icon under debuffs!
Imagine 5* sampo that decreases def ;)
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I dont use a asta in jingyuan comp so the follow up set is even huge for my jingyuan right
absolutely!
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Does pan cosmic beat glamor for dot units though?
Pan galactic has always been copium. You don't need more than 67% ehr, ever. Most nihility lc provide high ehr already only needing a few subs. SSS was already superior to Pan galactic and now Glamoth is even better. If you already have a very good set of Pan galactic though, prioritize traces, levels, lc and finally relics. There isn't much else to spend fuel so farming every new set comes naturally.
Will you make a video about the new event abundance LC?
nope, its a good all around lc, but perfect timing and bailu S1 outperforms for those who have
@@mrpokkee Thanks for the reply!! I recently got bailu LC in the standard banner and I've been wondering if I need to change some stuff with the new event cone out.
wait so... am i dumb or is this really not worth it because i had really good stats on my lightning set and cant get good DoT set at all for my Kafka lmfao only 6% overall increase on paper doesnt seem worth my fuel and time
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Just to be sure, how you gonna keep your guides at date with these new artfacts coming? Are you going to update the Pokkelibrary or just keep them in your videos?
pokke library will be updated, there is a section on build summaries where I will update all units. trying to keep it updated whenever new relics drop :)
my concern with topaz is should she spam her skill to keep the 7-8 stacks up since her basic atk counts as follow-up too
It’s not necessary, the buff resets with every follow up attack including Numby, so using her basic doesn’t affect Numby’s damage whatsoever. You can only keep the buff stacks if you use an attack that isn’t considered a follow up, like Jing Yuan’s skill for example.
However that doesn’t mean the follow up set is useless on her, even if the buff stacks constantly reset she still deals more damage than her old relic sets
her skill doesn't count as follow-up attack?
@@samkelly5045I guess it just gives more benefit to using her skill every time if you have spare skill pts
@@jodanjo4295her skill said follow up attack, last sentence clearly said it
Idk why people think her skill are not FUA, or am I missing something?
She still can use 2 piece set for 20 bonus FUA attack which is huge
u lose one instance for a 7x stack buffed numby hit, but in the grand scheme of things its not that bad. if ur topaz is main DPS, always skill. sub dps, weave in AA and skill
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Still confuse for kafka, 4pcs dot or fua, i always run kafka with sampo healer harmony(asta often)
DOT is better :)
@@mrpokkee i want to ask a little bit, planar %dmg use on hunt + hanya, thats will be good?
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I have 2 35 cv fire Smith pc for himeko, would a 2 fire 2 follow up set be better or go for the full 4 pc set?
4pc sets are pretty underwhelming in this game, especially ones that give ATK since many supports already provide ATK buffs and so you get diminishing returns. Without knowing your other stats I'd say go for the 2p2p, 35cv is pretty nutty.
@@kingsimba9513yeah I was thinking the same as my current Himeko with her sig lightcone stats are already good I guess? 190 crit damage with 60% crit rate. I use her with Fu Xuan and Silverwolf plus Asta. Her attack is currently 2700+ without Asta buff :D
just farm, and see what RNGesus gives u, and decide from there :)
Hi MrPokke,
Is the 64% ultimate bonus on serval lightcone for beginning of fight only
energy at beginning, ult dmg% perma
I wondered about this too last patch when i saw Argenti, think it's gonna be his BiS 4* option, considering most of his dmg comes from his enhanced Ult.
@@Rykuz possible but high refinements are necessary to make it extra viable
Indeed, i have two maxed out, that's 32% energy when a battle starts plus 64% ultimate dmg buff@@alphasusan5368
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damn i already have a cracked hybrid critka/atk% body set on kafka, might skip on this set then
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I was hopping to graduate from Critka to a proper DoT Kafka from farming these new relics, but lo and behold...... I'VE SPEND 1500 ENERGY AND ALL GOOD RELICS THAT I GET ARE ALL FOR CRITS BUILD, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOYO PLS STOP GIVING ME DOUBLE CRITS ON THE WRONG FUCKING SET!!!!!!!!
*P.S. idk why, but on my account 2 Grand Duke's + 2 Musketeer/Fire seems perform better compared to 4 Grand Dukes for Topaz and Numby with comparable subs. I'm using Atk Boots and Ropes on both test (still maintain 134 SPD).
I'm gonna pull kafka on her rerun,
so which relic should i farm 4-peice lighting or the new DoT set???
new DOT
bro thats some fucked up graphs at 5:05, why is 115% look like double of 100%?
i got clickbaited
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Am I crazy thinking the Glamoth set even at 1st speed break point for Blade giving him 12% boost on all damage instead of 15% just basic attacks or ultimate/follow ups from the other sets would just be better? Let’s find out
The DMG boost Is calculated after all the numbers are completed, while the % boost on salsotto and Rutilant is additive that's added before being calculated + DMG boost so I think what you're planning is bad for blade.
Would ruan mei be a good replacement for asta in a team with jing yuan tingyuan and fu xuan or no?
Based from my dreams, it seems like it, and you only need 1 or 2 base SPD substat to reach that 141 SPD threshold with her.
the relics are not worth it if you have a decent build for DOT then?
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I summoned for Topaz, so I had a character to use this relic set.
can you remove the swoosh sound effect. it is annoying
I think the follow up set will be even further better on Critka since she typically is purposely speed tuned to do 3 to 5 follow ups per cycle in such a setup. Also, the difference the 10% dmg makes vs. 10% crit dmg will depend on relics. If you have very high crit dmg, the 10% dmg starts to become a bigger difference than fleet vs. broken keel. On a character like Jingliu, this is almost always going to be the case. That is to say, from a pure DPS perspective, it would be an upgrade over Broken Keel for a character like Pela on a Jingliu Hyper Carry team.
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That follow up set is horrible on a character that gets her follow up attack based on breaks.
true, but do u not break at all tho :(
@@mrpokkee I brute force unless they have the weakness. Works out for me :^)
So the fua set sill does not do much for jy?
It does but nvm people down playing at this point
No it makes a big difference actually but people overcap the attack buff by adding asta
@@judielgabrielmanalo5031 real shit
it does!
What do you think is the best team right now for him without topaz?
I couldn’t read any of the graphs so I can’t watch the video
So it's trash? Sad. I thought it would be good for my dot team but it looks like not worth the time to farm. 2-5% doesn't seem much.
its still a decent upgrade if ur current set is shit!
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bro try gym for once before talking. Your pfp tells me everything I need to know about your level of education on this matter
Bruh when will people learn to not use asta with jing Yuan 🤡.... Overcapping in attack will obviously give him less damage... A team like huo huo, yukong e6/pela, tingyun is much better.... His new set shows it clearly he dont want more attack but rather other buffs like defence doen and cr/cd ...
Huo huo with yukong but yah u can use fu Xuan if u don't use yukong in the team
Fr but i think they used these team cuz they want to use attack boots instead
Asta is mostly there to allow Jing Yuan to move twice before LL takes action. His base speed is very low (99 base speed), with SPD boots, he needs another 17 speed to act before LL.
Tingyun E1 alone is enough, but she's extremely sought after so you might have to put her on another team.
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@@AevyCh bruh it's better to get those speed substats rather then giving him a attack boots people cry about other characters being over buff by attack alot but can't get this speed substats.... Also it's not that hard to get this speed and dance dance dance if above s3 can already give him 10 stacks LL all the time.... If u can go all out for cd for a character like jing liu why can't people go for this speed substats for mid maxing there jing yuan too... This just feels like down.play at this point....
@@AevyCh well by just removing asta from the team he performs way better then anything else I even have the proof needed it's almost a huge increase in damage but nah people will still over cap in attack and say my jing yuan don't do damage ....
If I stacked 3 Penacony on SW/Fu xaun/Lynx do i get the 30% ele dmg for Seele or it dosnt stack ?
If it does then I'll stack it as well on Yukong/Luocha for Dhil ele dmg boost alongside Planetary rendezvous on Yukong
Can also stack it on Bronya for Blade or Tingyun for either Kafka or Jingyuan, also on Pela/Ruan mei for Jingliu....
It does stack like the 10 Crit DMG.
If I learned something from hoyoverse games is that if it doesn't stand things like "this effect can not be stacked" it works
You can see that in the 4pc Hackerspace this is written ,because it doesn't stack
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