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Timestamps:
0:00 - Hating Women & WandaVision
- Guest Intro /The Undead Simpsons
09:58 - Opening Thoughts On WandaVision
- Finale & The First Episodes
20:27 - Broken Power Levels / "What you Sacrificed"
(Episodes 1, 2, & 3)
29:55 - The Sitcom Episodes
36:59 - >Outside the Dome /Dome Rules
- How Much Does Wanda Know? /Powers
48:21 - The Horror For People in the Dome
- Monica Rambeau
59:08 - Agatha & The Effects of The Dome
1:09:42 - Multiverse /Powers For Everyone!
- Erased Memories
1:18:02 - Vision's Body & Expectations
- >State of the Word? Where is Everyone?
1:32:32 - The 'Bohner' Moment
- Writers and The Disney Rush
1:48:13 - Things Meaning Nothing
1:53:54 - Agatha's Magic Succ & Motivation
- Anti-Magic Runes, Wanda 'Limits'
2:10:45 - Power Creep in the MCU />"Falcon and the Winter Soldier"
(~Episode 4, 5, & 6)
2:25:53 - The Blip Scene /Getting Powers Through
- Monica's Powers
2:29:58 - Spot The Flaws (Hayward Shoots at WandaChildren)
- Super 'Evil' Hayward
2:51:08 - Vision's Body, The 5 Years
- The Return of Everyone
3:00:28 - Sword's Operations & Dome Investigations
- Hayward's Inept Evil
3:08:46 - >CJ from Cynical Reviews Leaves
- Altered Objects, Glow Drone & Kevlar Clothes
3:15:16 - "Not the one with guns", Why is Monica (Woo & Darcy) On Her Side?
- Finding 'The Data' /Woo Magic Tricks
3:27:12 - Hayward's 'Plan'
- CoomVision
3:30:27 - >Angry Joe's Verdict
3:38:35 - Darcy's E-Mail /Vision's Investigation
- Why is Agatha wasting her time?
(~Episode 7, 8, & 9)
3:45:47 - Clown SWORD /Vision Learning His History
- Skipping Drama
3:56:45 - Monica Going Though the Barrier (& Gets Powers)
- Talking to Wanda
4:05:26 - Beats 'not' Quicksilver
4:09:03 - Agatha Monologue/ (Uneeded) Wanda's Origin Scenes
- Ralph Bohner Twist Inspiration
4:23:23 - Vision Scenes /The Empty Lot
4:30:09 - Magic Suck Time
4:34:20 - Evil Vision Arrives
- Vision v Vision / Magic Fight
4:53:03 - The (Totally Real) Kids
- Hayward Arrives (Incredibles Reference)
4:59:21 - 'Ship of Theseus' Talk /White Vision Leaves
- >Nerdrotic Leaves
5:07:28 - Agatha's Nightmare /End Battle
- Because Scarlet Witch
5:15:11 - Counter Suck /Agatha's Fate
- The Family Says Goodbye
5:23:15 - 'No one will know what you sacrificed'
5:26:49 - What this does to the MCU
5:31:34 - The Cool Adverts
- End Thoughts
5:41:34 - >HeelVsBabyface Leaves
5:47:49 - Superchats Start
Thank you for this ❤️
Thank you this is super helpful
35:00 for Rags's's static attack
@@Batdude36 Thank you.
@@vadandrumist1670 o7
I believe they forgot Rocket’s ever so important line in Guardians 1.
“Oh ‘boo hoo,’
everybody’s got dead people. It’s no excuse to get everyone else dead too!”
I can't wait until they ruin that character too!
@@wilder11 No, please, I just saw Guardians 1 and 2 for the first time recently, don't do it Disney, don't do this!
Why they forget?
@@dimitriwarchief301 Wanda's whole "Vision ded, big sad, might enslave a town later idk" thing.
@@wilder11 Trust in James Gunn I do. (Please don't destroy the Guardians, please)
"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them"
more like
"They'll never forget what you did to them"
That single line pissed me off the most I think.
Apparently "sacrifice" means taking something away and then giving it back in this world.
The 'something' in question being the minds and freedom of over 1500 people in this instance.
No we wo~
What what happened?
-MCU
Did Wanda create the Hex or was it Chthon?
The Darkhold didn't want Wanda to become Scarlet Witch and Scarlet Witch destroyed the Hex so one has to suspect Mr. Elder God.
@@cardellkenith She meant Billy and Tommy, the first living beings ever created by Chaos Magic. Chthon (source of Wanda's powers) and Shuma Gorath have only ever used it to create vampires, werewolves, Nightmare, and N'garai.
Isn't that true of the millions who suffered because of Tony Stark, and the thousands of Frost Giants murdered by Thor.
Imagine Wanda created this "dome", but had no idea what it is and that she's in control. And step by step she comes to the realization that she holds people hostage and she's terrified (like in the beginning of civil war) and she's trying to find a way to free everybody (with the help of Vision and maybe outside world). Because she's a hero. And heroes usually try to save people, not enslave them.
sounds pretty neat.
@Jan Fortoul 25:09
@Jan Fortoul I mean what if this would be the main plot point. Her actively trying to rescue people from her subconscious terror. She doesn't know how she created the dome, but SHE tries to find it out, she googles fucking books on science and magic, calls Dr Strange etc. NOT Agatha comes and explains everything that's happened for 99 minutes.
@Jan Fortoul it was an indecisive and anticlimactic way to reach the resolution or lack there of. Monica was useless and just shoehorned in for set up. I’d much rather learn about witchcraft in Wanda vision than get new characters I don’t really care about. It was interesting at first but once you realize where it’s going the excitement and intrigue is lost.
What i thought was gunna happen tbh.
There are a shocking number of people on Instagram who are willing to waive what Wanda did because "they like her and she was sad" and "they don't know anyone in Westview ". Then when someone calls them out, they say "it's just fiction, I don't need to empathize with them", but the feel bad for Wanda, who is equally fictional. Absolutely bonkers.
"they like her and she was sad"
LIES. PURE LIES. I argued with hordes of them that she was the best female in the entire MCU roster and they kept bringing up Captain Brie.
Now they ruin her and they gaslight that they liked her all along. I even remember the exact accounts that did it.
Consoomer syndrome is real and a hell of a drug.
It all boils down to - stop being so negative and just enjoy whatever writers lay on your plate.
Steak, Mcburger, a single potato, nothing, a literall trash doesn't matter just consoome!
I feel bad for her but I don't excuse what she did
Kind of like those idiots who defend Catra's actions in that garbage She-ra reboot. Where she's a leading villain and basically a nazi for majority of the series and then helps cause the universe almost being deleted and is completely absolved of all her crimes cause in the last minute she decides not to do it
but its okay guys cause Catra was abused as a kid. Completely justifies all her actions
@@wlfmanjack nah, but she is gay tho, so its cool guys come on (jk)
Sorry it took so long for this to come out, it was stuck on processing until about ten minutes ago - UA-cam being all floompy with it's long reuploads but hey! it's here, enjoy folks. :D
good stuff. much appreciated.
are you ready for the greatest comic book film ever put on screen?
413 views? heresy.
Long content is the only content
Much floompyness.
Fringy ASMR would just be him whispering "nough" into your ears with varying levels of intensity
I'm pretty sure you could make it if you pull the noughs from every episode of EFAP.
@@azh698 that'd be a looooooooooooong ASMR video
Fringy ASMR is his donation sound on twitch
*OOOUGH, NNNNNNOUUUUGH!*
(repeating)
"I write a man, then I remove reason and accountability"
WandaVision writers: GOOD IDEA!
Isn't it "I *think of* a man..."? Good comment anyway. I understood that reference.
The writers about Wanda’s character in general:WRITE THAT DOWN!WRITE THAT DOWN!
Well said!
That was a fun movie.
Expected a comedy...
@@magikforce4069 YOU STOLE IT FROM ME!!!
My problem with the show is that the people who wrote it, edited it, approved of it, all think it’s okay to hurt other people just because you lost a loved one. It’s an extremely selfish perspective and makes me worried for our society. Like people actually think Wanda suffered more because Vision died than the people who literally said “if you won’t let us go then please just let us die”.
That's my main issue with this show. They made you want her to feel better rather than talking about the lives she's fucking ruined forever. These people are traumatized forever, but because we,the viewer, only see the avengers we are just supposed to not care. This is a far more personal event than sokovia was. She did it personally. This needs repurcussions.
Especially in contrast to the director guy. Endgame literally showed that the loss of "half of all life" in the blip led to not just loved ones, but massive civil unrest, economic meltdowns and environmental disasters.
We're just supposed to pretend the first 30 minutes of Endgame didn't happen?
Also as much as I hate to say it wanda was also a victim of the blip, but that doesn't excuse her actions at all. We also don't know if any of the Westview citizens got blipped
@@Shockm_ Wanda got snapped as well. They presumably had 5 years to research Vision's body.
I would personally assume it was just a hunk of Vibranium. However it would still have some Mind Stone radiation on it so the idea that the anomaly research team didn't know what they were dealing with is bunk since Wanda got her powers from the Mind Stone.
She did not realize the extent of her powers, that chaos magic spews out her emotions into everything.
Her denial of her power is a result of her wanting to regain the simple family life she lost. By becoming Scarlet Witch she acknowledges her power rather than denying it. This was what the mind stone was urging her to do in that vision
Her powers come from an evil demon. She must master the Chaos Magic to stop him as no one but Wanda can do this.
“She didn’t realize they were in pain”. That is completely irrelevant. She stole their freedom and by episode 4 it is clear she is making the choice to keep them there. Wanda is worse than Hayward and Agatha. Vision was basically the only hero because he is trying to fix things until the last episode where he was off.
and that's what's the show is about. What are you willing to do to deal with your grief? Is acceptable to do a bad thing if it makes other people feel better? Both Wanda, Agatha and Hayward act following this concept. Wanda stole the freedom of the people to live her happy fantasy. Agatha manipulated the situation to get Wanda's power. Hayward wanted to kill Wanda to his selfish satisfaction.
She fully knew what she was doing. I mean, she tried to murder Monica for calling her out TWICE!
@@nont18411 monica... who? lol
Yeah I mean.. I'm ok for her to be that bad. But just show us that she acknowledge her action and got punish severely.
@@Soft_Ghost true...or a least a scene where she runs away from the police. we have a hint of hit after the baffling monica speech but it's not clear and defined.
The "explanation" for the bullets bouncing off the '70s outfit was that it was apparently 87% Kevlar... but even if it had been 100%, Kevlar doesn't work like that. It's not like bullet-repellent, like you could make any thin article of clothing out of Kevlar and it would stop a bullet cold. It works _because_ it's thick. Because it disperses the kinetic energy of the bullet out over a large area, slowing it down enough so that it doesn't penetrate all the way through (if you're lucky). But, no. Current Year screenwriters think "Kevlar means bulletproof, therefor bullets will simply bounce off of anything made of Kevlar, as if they'd hit Superman in the chest."
yup i noticed that too while watching the show. at first i thought the clothes would have some kind of magical ability imbued into them or something but then they said the kevlar thing and i went WTF?!
@@666FallenShadow Yeah, even without defaulting to the "It's just magic" excuse, this is a world where they've had access to advanced alien technology for like a decade. They could've just invented some other fantasy bullshit bulletproof substance within this universe (akin to vibranium or adamantium), and it would've been un-falsifiable. But I guess it would take even more effort to come up with a new name for the bulletproof bullshitium than it would have to spend 5 minutes looking up the real life characteristics of Kevlar. And since they weren't willing to do the latter, it's not so surprising that they didn't care to do the former.
if you want to get especially technical, Kevlar works because of it's tensile strength. It's not especially heavy, it's just extremely hard to break. It's usefulness as a bullet protection is because it prevents the bullets from easily penetrating which then causes the energy of impact to disperse across the harder material beneath it, usually hardened steel plates.
so something made of '100% kevlar' is actually pretty poor armor against a bullet just by iteself anyway. It may prevent penetration, but would do nothing to protect you again the impact of it. If it's only 87% Kevlar, unless the entire front of it is 100% kevlar... yeah, that won't do you much good anyway since the stuff that ain't Kevlar will fail anyway.
The bullets didn't bounce off. The clothes acted similarly to a bullet proof vest. However since they were thin there was no room for the bullets to stick in them so they just fell to the floor
@@cryingtomatohead8626
Do you have any idea how a ballistic vest actually works? Hint: not like that.
The funny thing about this show is how it's quality got worse and worse the closer it got to modern day tv. I'd call it cutting satire but then the writers already said half the stuff in the show is unintentional and being.misinterpreted.
That is some funny irony isn’t it? To fall apart when in modern TV. Most would want to play that off as intentional, but even if they did that’s the same kind of self deprecation that’s only surface level.
Acknowledge, but don’t fix
Lol all those cool things you thought we set up? You were just dumb!
This is not the way to keep an audience entertained.
It wasn’t unintentional. They knew exactly what they were doing and were licking their chops at the chance to mock fans for getting invested. The moment that mailman walked through and said “I’m just a messenger” I audibly groaned because I knew WandaVision writers worship at the altar of Rian Johnson.
Is there such a thing as meta-satire? Because that's what this sounds like.
@@DiamondDogApollo what do mean they worship Arian Johnson
I’m glad that the meme repository is now a canon character in the Efap lore.
Same, technically he already was but he was more of an ethereal demigod before. Capable of viewing the activities of the higher beings and enhancing them with quantum trans-temporal reality warping that common humans call “editing”.
But he has ascended into his current form. I wonder where he ranks in the hierarchy? Surely not as powerful as the long man himself or Rag’s”””””s. And definitely lower than the god of our world E;R himself. But I’d assume he ranks slightly below Southpaw. Regardless, let the power scaling commence!!!!
Now I'm thinking of the Archive from The Dresden Files.
@@fluff6811 I'm behind on the lore, where does FilmRobert stack up? Is he more powerful than Rag'n Long Man?
@@joshuafarrell8516 It's currently unclear. his power is in constant flux. Hopefully his abilities will stabilize but for now he is being monitored.
@@joshuafarrell8516 filmrobert is only really as powerful as the fourth apostrophe rag or the longer man. His alternate ego "diabeto" easily outclasses those forms of the main duo but has only appeared in the glove of the cosmic egg arc so far.
The town of Westview: You took everything from me.
Wanda: I don't even know who you are.
Monica to Westview: Walk it off, crybabies, this is a woman. Women are allowed to be strong.
Westview: She imprisoned and tortured us.
Monica: Crybabies. Wanda lost her parents, her brother, her Vision, she's allowed to be strong.
Westview: She tortured our children, locked them away in rooms *away from their parents!*
Monica: Crybabies. Wanda is allowed to be strong.
Westview: Strong women torture *CHILDREN* and are called *HEROIC?!*
@@TheMaleRei I miss the old days when Loki and Hydra did the same thing and were considered the VILLAINS
@@nont18411
Marvel Comics and Movies, for the foreseeable future at least, are completely lost.
There may be the exception every so often, but it's otherwise a mess.
We still have the old comics and stories, at least.
It's almost demonic how villainy is presented as sympathetic and heroic.
@@TheMaleRei epic post
There's an episode of the Twilight Zone called It's A Good Life where a kid for some reason has godlike powers and he isolates a small town in Ohio and exercises total control over its inhabitants. He's often regarded as a very creepy and disturbing villain.
Disney decided to copy that for one of their fan-favorite heroes, and then try to play it up like she was still a good person. Doesn't compute.
Excellent comparison
I like how the shirt made of kevlar is bulletproof despite still being just a shirt.
Disney doesn't have a single employee who knows how guns work
can you imagine this garbage being shovelled past teams and teams of people and nobody saying anything
I can at least slightly rationalize that since low grade (IIA or II) bulletproof shirts exist that are made of kevlar (or similar flexible armor) but didn't the rounds like just, bounce off? That's not even remotely how kevlar works.
Man this meme repository guy is cool, he seems to know a lot about comics too, I wished he decided to edit the EFAP DCEU movies tho
the picture lines up with the sarcasm.
Yes :D
Too bad efap got most of this wrong.
@@randolphemerson6411 justify that. I don't think most of what they said was wrong, just a couple things I can't think of atm
@@randolphemerson6411 Explain. You don't just get to state that someone got it wrong without quantifying HOW they got it wrong.
The premise of this show reminds me of an episode of Batman The Animated Series. It centers around an actress with a condition that keeps her from aging. She used to star in an old sitcom called Love That Baby as the title character Baby Doll. After she left the sitcom to become a serious actress it was cancelled, and her acting career never went anywhere. Depressed and down on her luck, she yearns for the days when she was happy and fulfilled making the sitcom, while having a "real family" in the other actors. There is also some psychological issues involved with her condition and her attaching her identity so strongly to the character of Baby Doll. So she ends up having all the people from the sitcom kidnapped, so she can play pretend that the show is still running and be happy again. Batman then comes and puts a stop to it.
In the end, Baby Doll does show regret, breaking down crying and apologizing that she never meant to hurt anyone. She hugs Batman's leg, and he actually comforts her.
Would be great if WandaVision was this, just replace the Baby Doll lady with Wanda and Batman with Dr Strange.
It was a tragic, heart wrenching episode. Some of the best-written TV for it's time.
... because it wasn't written by bimbos who had grown up on episodes of Buffy and Dawson's Creek.
@@guikoi3101 Disney will never let Scarlet Witch crying in regret and hugging Strange’s leg because it’s “toxic patriarchy”
Good comparison! Indeed, but that episode clearly portrayed her as a tragic villain, not a hero...
@@SwiftNimblefoot Precisely. She did something villainous, and it wasn't just hand waved because she was sad. She was undeniably the villain of the episode, but the viewer was still supposed to feel sorry for her.
Agatha's plot was CRUCIAL to the plot, guys. "The Big Succ" was an allegory for the last half of the season.
She read the Darkhold but it didn't occur to Agatha that Chthon was tricking her about the Scarlet Witch (Chthon's nemesis) in order to dissuade Wanda from becoming Scarlet Witch.
Ironically, I would probably side with Agatha over Wanda if I was a citizen of that town. Wanda was way more a villain than Agatha.
@@sixishungry104 Chthon was never going to choose Agatha. Also Scarlet Witch is clearly Wanda's "Inner Goddess", as SW destroyed the Hex without hesitation.
That's why Wanda is making the coffee at the Mount Wundagore cabin while Scarlet Witch is studying the Chaos Magic.
Really like your documentaries.
@@Relugus Is Cthton mentioned in the show? If not, he is irrelevant.
Also, I can understand why Supersatan likes Wanda so much. Instituting unproductive mental slavery for nothing but one's own benefit is irredeemably evil, even without the constant agony. It wouldn't be much less evil if it was productive but I guess Wanda had to be sure that absolutely nothing remotely good could come out of this situation /sarcasm.
Of course, the intention is for Wanda to be a hero, not a villain, which this show has utterly failed to portray. A hero does not shackle the very minds of about a thousand people into mind slavery just to help with the hero's own personal grief and that is something that literally every moral philosophy can agree on. I'm sure that you do not support mental slavery either. Just because the show became bad doesn't mean that you're a bad person for being a fan of it. You would only be a bad person if you would do what Wanda did if you were in her shoes and, while I don't know you, I am certain that you are not as bad of a person as Wanda is in her eponymous show.
If there was ever a quote that justified efap, that destroyed so much in so little time, was the definition of "it can takes seconds to make a mess and hours to clean it up.
It's that one quote. "They don't know how much you sacrificed". It breaks so much little time it would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
At that moment, at that singular and short moment, Monica lost all value to me, she's dead to me now. Great job writers.
@@SirSadness I you just the writers felt so confident and accomplish giving her that line.
meme it
54:18 It's always like that: "Using guns is bad. But super heroes with powers that could make any gun a joke are okay in using such powers!"
It baffles me that their activism is so blind and hypocrite.
This is the Hollywood anti-gun position.
Guns are bad. Superpowers are good.
Guns are real and enable even a weak person to successfully defend themselves, therefore bad.
Superpowers are imaginary, therefore good.
It reminds me of clips of a supergirl episode I saw going around where Martian Manhunter runs a government organization and he wants them to get rid of their guns. Which is hilarious because he could easily cause any person to have brain damage with a thought. Also Supergirl regularly works with said organization and she might as well be a walking, talking nuke.
Wanda is a walking Wmd
This show exists only to resurrect Vision. Another proof that nobody dies in Marvel. And even if someone dies, he still will return in flashback\prequel\time travel\parallel universe\whatever.
Only Tony Stark and Heimdall died for real though
@@nont18411 Ohnonono my friend, remember, we're working on alternate realities now with the whole stone heist.
I bet you a fat 50, that they'll being back Tony as a villain.
@@nont18411 Heimdall was barely a character and Robet was in Marvel for 11 years...
no, it's to resurrect Vision AND make Wanda muh stronk womyn + virtue signal to degenerates
@@Сайтамен I don’t actually care that no one dies. Just stop wasting precious storytelling time to end up where we started. They had 9 episodes but I guess they’ll cram everything about witchcraft in the dr.strange movie. Disappointing.
I didn't watch the show, but from the EFAP coverage I learned that the moral of this story goes like this:
"It's ok to enslave thousands of people when you're sad."
That's exactly what the show is saying.
Well duh, your feelings matter more than everyone else.
After Endgame my love for the MCU pretty much faded away.
@@davidf2676 You have a point there. Imagine if Wanda was a man and did that. I'd image that people wouldn't be so defensive of the whole enslavement thing then.
You're wrong. The moral is "it's ok to enslave thousands of people if you're a woman and sad"
"They'll never know what you sacrificed for them."
Sounds a little bit like that one line from the Arrowverse Crisis on Infinite Earths special, I can't remember who says it, but it goes, "Dying is the easy part. The real heroes are the ones who keep on going." (Which by the way, is a contender for the single most offensive line of dialogue I've ever heard)
don't take the phrase out of contest. it's a poor written scene but it makes sense if you put it in contest. wanda acknowledge that the people hates her even if they would know about the vision/children "sacrifice". the real problem to me is that the right answer by wanda should be "monica are you dumb? I've controlled those people for a week they've seen and interacted with vision and the children so the know exactly what I've sacrificed for. and btw don't you remember? I've controlled you too. and that's why you know what I've sacrificed for!"
@Suck Muh Dongus Agree.that's why monica's words are a nonsense
Offensive, really?
Love Mauler's new pfp. Good to see the artist for Gotham High is still getting work
Oh how dare you compare that art to gotham high
@@dimitriwarchief301 Suppose you cant ignore being intentionally tism versus being.... whatever the hell gotham high is
You sent me into a coughing fit from laughing so hard lol, thx
@@cyrus2395 XD
Tf is Gotham High
“I clapped! I clapped when I saw it!”
-Fanboys upon seeing Wanda in her comic accurate costume.
The key-jingle was real. Too bad those who do know of the comics but acknowledges the awful plot aren't buying it. Or perhaps it's a win for critical thinking.
I want a scene in avengers 5 where they have two guys at a bar watching Wanda on the TV and have one of the guys say “hey isn’t that the lady that forced you to play her fantasy while torturing you” and have the other guy say something like “yep and this is some bullshit”
Meme Rep’s voice is too damn smooth, man. Having both Mooler and Memo on the same EFAP is pure joy to my ears.
It would be so funny hearing them both read 50 Shades of Grey.
Reminds me of Internet Historian's voice
@@rascoehunter3608 But the real question is:
Who voices Anastasia???
@@fluff6811 Mooper
@@guikoi3101 Mauler would make a better Christian anyway👌
Anyone notice how the runes basically ruin the entire plot of Doctor Strange? If the sanctums were protected by runes, thus allowing their protectors to use magic and no one else, then half of that movie couldn't have happened. Worldbuilding? What's that?!!!
Damn.
I'm sure the bad guys would have said something, like: The power of Dormamu is supreme, thus, ours cannot be stopped.
I would have accept that.
@@SirSadness You'd accept them basically saying "oh that? nah doesn't work here cause lul"? This isn't any different from TLJ defenders claiming that the hyperspace kamakazi doesn't ruin all past and future space battles because 'nobody ever thought of that before'.
@@pezdispencer113 That's way different.
TLJ just came out of fucking nowhere, but saying that a being able to change reality, and who can only be stopped by a infinity stone, could break the rule of these runes, that's acceptable.
Actually, if you take into consideration Agatha's words and the comics, the ruins would only affect witches and their particular form of magic. These type of things have appeared in the comics but usually are difficult to perform and a weaker magical being can't hold back the powers of someone vastly stronger for long if at all.
@@cryingtomatohead8626 We're looking at the series here, not the comics.
If the series did a poor job at explaining such important mechanism of magic, that's on the writers.
0:08 MauLer: "It's such a sad timeline…"
Little did they know.
Little did any of us know.
Very little
0:20
“I’m so excited, I haven’t hated women in WEEKS”
- Rags
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Gonna put it out that this was one of the better streams I've caught of efap. Meme Repository is a great guest, listening to them break WV down is super insightful to their perspectives of the MCU, and a couple other sections like when the Meme Repository explaining Apocalypse War and the great battle of Fringy vs Superchats are legendary.
"the Meme Repository explaining Apocalypse War"
Is there a timestamp for this, or is that a separate video?
@@nhagan001 around 9:06:28 The more he explains about it the more mauler and fringy can't believe it.
@@swoopisbird3117 Thank you very much! I liked the editing that he did on the Man of Steel Movie.
Very good stuff.
Oh my God I thought that Meme Repository was Internet Historian for a second there lmao.
Oh yeah they do kinda sound a like.
Wanda will edge towards evil in the next phase of the MCU then have a moment of redemption. She will move on from Vision and remarry to some green fool named Cosmo and grant wishes for a kid named Timmy.
XD
LESSON: If your writer is morally-bankrupt, your character will be too...
Naaah, a nazi can make perfectly moral characters and a morally good person can be dumb enough to completely overlook the implications of their character’s actions and therefore unwittingly write a monster, so it’s more a question of clarity and self awareness than morality.
Painfully accurate lately
If this exact same story was done with a male character, then he would have been arrested and gone through actual legal punishment. That would have been the ending.
I mean, I fail to see how they would be able to arrest a male with that level of powers, even without full masyer
@@cryingtomatohead8626 He would have allowed himself to be arrested is what I mean I guess. Or they would come up with some bs. They do love their god damned bs these days don't they.
EFAP Movies: Apokalips War when?
You are not quite off the hook yet. There is still lots of EFAPing for you to do.
I would love for you to get them to watch the animated DC stuff. Love your inputs on the movies so far man!
Pleeeeeeeeease. The DCAU has many issues, but my god is it an entire class ahead of the DCEU entirely.
NOUGH!!!!!
Please get them to watch it so I can vent my anger at the repulsive garbage.
Listening to this after hearing about the first episode of Loki and thinking 'oh you sweet innocent beings, you gonna get your expectations melted'
Thanks guys for deliberately not tying up the "Yo Wanda your bf is still alive" loose end so Vision can be a plot point in her movie, likely saving her from her "oh im the scarlet witch so its my destiny to be baaaaaaaaaad" arc
Scarlet Witch is the enemy of Chthon. Chthon, via the Darkhold, was trying to dissuade Wanda from becoming Scarlet Witch by claiming it would make her destroy the world when the Mind Stone suggested it was the opposite.
Well that didn't age well...she doesn't need a white man to save her...
cant stick around to watch this, still about a year behind watching all EFAPs in order, but its really funny to see the discord lineup for this episode after hearing Mauler repeatedly say in the early EFAPs that 6 people on a single podcast would be way too many lmao
"The kids aren't real."
Would it really surprise you if these writers were willing to give Wanda the power to literally create life? Because it wouldn't surprise me.
It's not surprising at all, because that's exactly what happened. The kids were real. Now, why we should care about Wanda's sacrifice when she's only known these kids for a couple of weeks tops, during which they went from 0-5 then 5-10 on the *same* day they were born, and there's no reason to think she can't bring them back later....well, that's a different question.
@@jacobd1984 She's sad okay? So her kids are more real than the other kids who got mentally tortured in isolation for two weeks. What a great start after EG, am I right?
@@jacobd1984 and recreating them shouldny be an issue
For some reason she couldn't create life but the writers think she can create souls
Wanda is so powerful that few if any people could really inhibit let alone control her. So how about, as penance for her actions, she is required to train under and be watched by another one of the most powerful magic users in the universe. One who is a much more disciplined magic user and could teach her control. One who has a sequel coming up that Wanda is supposed to be in. Possibly one who has a PhD...
Dr Bruce Banner?
That would sexist
Dr. Queer?
What? Like some sorta strange doctor?
Yeah except in the trailer for Multiverse of Madness he literally goes “Yeah I don’t care about whatever evil crimes you committed, Wanda.”
Shame. Liz and Paul acted so good only to be let down by bad writing
Liz yes, Paul nawsomuch
Every scene with Wanda and Vision was gold. It's by far the best romance in the MCU. That final scene between them pulled my heartstrings more than any other cape romance.
@@Relugus gamora and star lord are more compelling.
@@dantan1249 He did say "cape" instead of "trench coat" so I believe we're in the clear.
Yeah I agree, I didn't hate the finale but it did let me down, the first half of the show was just so smart and clever and then I could see that the writing was leading in the last 3 episodes to a big mcu finale. But I did like the vision, scene that was pretty neat
this show is like fumbling down a M.C. Escher staircase without acknowledging the sheer horror of the situation.
.......M.C.U. Escher perhaps?
watching this after seeing The Falcon and The Winter Soldier is so funny. "can TFATWS be any worse than WandaVision? nope, not possible." and then it was
It's funny coming back to this 3 years later after an EFAP highlights brought me to this. It's hilarious them calling this the worst piece of Marvel content. Lol. Our sweet summer children, how wrong you were.
Nerdrotic is the cool uncle I wish I had
I like it when he talks about the long long ago.
He has lots of life experience and without any doubt been to many places. Just sometimes I can't agree with certain things he says.
@@sparkypack If you mean, "he's been to prison", then yeah.
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i like it when he gaffs
then brushes it off with "drugs were reeeallly good to me in the 80's.. now im paying for it"
@@DeadlyDanDaMan "he has a lot of life experience, seen and done things"
i think what he's getting at is garys humble, and down to earth.. not a sheltered know nothing dumb shit hiding under mums apron
in my life experience, come across some people who unfourt were orphans, grew up in foster homes... its not always nice, but not always bad.. regardless it affects a person..... garys mum gave him up... that prob hurt... explains a lot really about his life from teenager to his final fuck up in (2013?) cant remember the specifics....
regardless anyway, is it really that hard to get thrown in jail? everythings an offense, and prosecutors are foaming at the mouth to rip people apart..
go ahead, hate on gary.. i can see past that bullshit, garys pretty cool.. love his shit... if no one ever said antything i would have never guessed he got thrown in the clink for 2.5 years for doing drugs
whoppity doo
Listening to this a year later and hearing your fears of future properties and knowing it’s worse than any of you could have imagined
Just keep the complex political questions coming people...
Hi Evan..
I'll do you one better, "Why is WandaVision?"
So you hate women
What turned you into a national socialist?
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if biden is the more popular than obama, based on the metric that more americans voted for biden than obama, record numbers
why does he then, after winning the election, have a fortress of barricades/fences, and razorwire in DC built, with thousands of national guard patrolling the city?
in a free and fair election. in a free country.. where the candidate won by getting the most votes ever recorded in history.... when they didnt even campaign.. like at fucking all? nothing...
something just isnt adding up here....
TLDR political question, why'd he win, free and fair, no question, then retreat and build up a military presence in DC?
10:10 Mauler "episode 9 is the worst piece of content marvel has put out" oh my boy sad to see this was only the start
It is fun going back to this one and listening to these sweet summer children calling this the worst thing in the MCU.
I mean... it was at the time. We reached rock bottom. Little did we know that we'll keep going down anyway, discovering lower levels of hell every time.
Wow. Even I felt empty once the show was over, but I really didn't fully grasp how much of it turned out to be utterly pointless by the end. Gettin a lot of retroactive frustration.
Everu week they gave us hope, and then in the next they ripped it out just to give it back.
I feel violated.
The ending of this show was so shit. Felt like little to no consequences we're even attempted to be put on the protag, which is all too common nowadays.
well, she only faces Monica, that is sympathetic (wrongly). I didn't expect that the regular people would have face directly a witch that was shooting beams in the sky few minutes ago and that fucked up with my brain for a week. At the end she flies away before the police arrive.
@@coolvibesradio3267 No the FBI guy, the scientist lady, they're both just cool with it too, hell they're trying to help Wanda in this series which is just baffling to me.
@@IntelligenceBuild No, the FBI guy and the scientist lady are anti-Hayward. This does not mean that they are pro-Wanda. We don't know about Darcy but the FBI guy in the post credit scene is coordinating the support for the people of the town, so we can conclude that his priority has always been the safety of the people. In his history he was taking in custody ant-man so it's easy to assume that if he would have had the possibility he would have taken wanda in custody. I don't see anything that let me believe that they wanna help wanda. they wanna free the people with a different approach than Hayward. Monica says "if wanda is the problem she must be the solution" so try to convince her to stop peacefully is their plan.
@@coolvibesradio3267 Do you truly believe they'll be trying to bring Wanda to justice in the next season?
@@IntelligenceBuild I can't see how they would make a Wandavision season 2. The core element of wanda vision was the mystery behind the situation. without it there is no show. I believe that episode 8 and 9 are poorly written. A better ending would have been similar to civil war. Her in jail that manage to escape
The moment Wanda appeared in Age of Ultron, they made her powers confusing and it has never stopped. In the comics she had the mutant powers of altering reality. Then she was taught magic by Agatha. In AoU her powers were...telepathy and somewhat telekinetic? Then in IW it seemed like she was projecting some random red energy....? Then in Wandavision she seemed to have the reality-bending powers from the comics. But then with the Agatha reveal Wanda seems be a sorcereress and had her powers even before she was with Hydra. But sorcery is taught so it makes no sense. I would understand if she had powers from birth and she was a mutant and that power was reality-affecting. I don't get where magic comes into play.
STOP ASKING VALID QUESTIONS!
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A lot of good points being thrown around here. My favorite one (aside from the final episode putting a nail in the universe being fucked) is Az bringing up that Clint would've been the natural and perfect person to include in this show as the voice of reason and someone to be on Wanda's side, while not agreeing with what she's done. That was something that's bothered me.
Jac isn't capable of writing solid, grounded human males like Clint. Only b.s. wannbe Whedon and Gilmour Girls "males". Hence, no Clint. Examine the movie "Timer" (which she wrote; a pseudo sci-fi romcom, 😱) for confirmation. It's the living definition of "trite".
"Her only limits will be herself." Why can so many of us whom have read comics printed on paper hear Kirby's Galactus, Ditko's Nightmare, and Starlin's The In-Betweener laughing gently in the background?
There's a reason why those characters are either villains or background figures.
Rather like Franklin Richards.
Too fornicating powerful to be characters in their own right, except when dealing with universe ending threats.
Boring otherwise.
@@TheMaleRei ohhhhhhhhh how I loathe Franklin Richards.
Honestly, I think the build up, mystery and fear from episodes 1-7 was more entertaining and scary than the collapse of episodes 8-9, I mean rushed white vision, doing practically nothing with quicksilver and making Hayward seem childish rather than a foreboding lead of a corporation.
We could've had an interesting Marvel villain for a change but we got Agatha instead of a dark Scarlet Witch. Wanda got a slavery pass from Monica and she was let off the hook!
Love MauLer's new pfp
Someone needs to animate Static Rags XD
Ngl I read “static” as “satanic” and didn’t even question it
The kevlar thing was supposed to set up the idea that she can't create things, only transform them. But where did the kids come from if that's the case? If she CAN create things from scratch, what was the point of that scene?
I think the idea is that she can create entirely new things within the dome, but objects that enter the dome will maintain their material composition.
Who else is back after seeing the falcon and the winter soldier breakdown?
This one felt inferior to that one. Coz they "do better" in that one
Yeah, WandaVision was definitely the better show but it’s still fun to rewatch these
That show made me leave the mcu behind.
And I back here after the Loki-show breakdown.
On what T.V Troupes incorrectly refers to as a Beam-O-War. It's called a Beam Struggle. And it actually was Dragon Ball that pretty much created it as we know it today. Dating back to the 80s when Goku first contested against Master Roshi in the first tournament arc(something Dragon Ball also popularized). Though of course the most famous depiction of it is Goku and Vegeta during the Saiyan Arc.
Such a wonderful stream. Very Good Rat indeed.
Jac Schaefer understands congruent ethical frameworks for female heroes about as much as Gwyneth Paltrow understands safely-made candles.
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remember when wanda was heartbroken about civilian casualties that were caused by defending the life of her friend and it caused hr to completely break down, stop using her power and never leaving the house?
now she purposefully tortures entire towns of people and starves children to death while tormenting them with her own nightmares.
what a hero....
she has to be the villain from now on, she is irredeemable
She did leave the house, all because Clint (the cool uncle) decided to help his little girl.
24:37 - for the old-school comics readers: if you look at the folds in Vision's suit here, and the deep shadows they make at the elbows and forward-leaning thigh, they exactly correspond to the perfect drapery (in both penciling and inking) that John Romita Sr. was doing in his art from 1967-1978, especially his cover-art in the early 1970's.
coming back and watching this after the Loki Breakdown, the comments at 10:00... if only you guys knew what was coming.
Re: the CGI gun, there's actually a few reasons that might have happened. One might be they couldn't get insurance to fire blanks around children (they're still dangerous, after all), another might be the take was perfect but the gun malfunctioned. There's a pretty well-known sequence in _Mr and Mrs Smith_ where Angelina Jolie is firing a pair of auto-converted Berettas that kept jamming on set to the point they just CG'd in muzzle flashes on shots where you can see the guns have stovepipe jams.
The MCU has gotten the Mirror Match down to a science. What makes a Superman vs Luthor or Batman vs Joker conflict so intriguing is because of the seemingly mismatched adversaries and you’re invested as to how it may turn out. It boggles my mind as to why Spider-Man fans are hungry for a Spidey vs Venom fight when a Spidey vs Electro or Spidey vs Scorpion or even a Spidey vs Kingpin match have historically been much more satisfying.
This was uploaded fast. Cool. Now I can catch up on what I missed
It's a tiny fraction of a deeply flawed while, but that final exchange between Monica and Wanda is just...so many flavors of awful, and I think part of it is how easily it should be to fix.
We start with the horrible, stupid original:
Monica: "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them."
Wanda: "It wouldn't change how they see me. And you, you don't...you don't hate me?"
Monica: "Given the chance and given your power,
I'd bring my mom back. I know I would."
I feel like I can see what they're going for, but it's just all off in some way, like it's a reflection in a funhouse mirror.
First off, it's crazy for Monica to apparently be faulting the victims of Westview for being too ignorant to recognize how heroic Wanda was. But I want to focus on her second line, because...wow. It's almost like they brought on members of the 'Batwoman' writing team for that line.
You'd think that the exchange would go something like this:
Wanda: "You don't hate me?"
Monica: "Don't get me wrong. I'm definitely angry, but...I've lost family, too. If I had your kind of power back then, I might've done the same as you did."
You'd think that the goal is to convey that Monica still considers what Wanda did to be wrong, but that she has personal reasons to empathize with why she did it in the first place. Plus, you convey a level of uncertainty regarding what Monica would have done if she had similar powers to Wanda. She knows what the morally right thing to do would have been and likes to think that she would have done it, but she knows how painful that sort of loss is and recognizes that she can't truly grasp the raw temptation that Wanda was subjected to without ever having had similar powers of her own.
But instead, the writers just wind up making it _abundantly_ _clear_ that Monica getting superpowers from this whole ordeal is an absolute disaster. She says, in no uncertain terms, that there would have been no debate if she had a chance to do the same thing Wanda did with Vision for her mother. Literally the only thing that prevented it was the fact that she lacked the ability to do so. It's one thing to admit that you know what the morally right thing to do is but can't say for sure if you could resist temptation. It's another thing entirely to say 'I know what's right, but I'm only doing it because I can't do otherwise.' She also frames it as if she'd do it now if given the chance. This isn't an adult looking back at herself as a grieving child and admitting that she would do anything to have her beloved mother back without considering the consequences. This is an adult saying that she'd bring her back knowing what the consequences are.
Also, according to the wiki, Monica's mom died of cancer during the five-year timegap between the IW and EG while Monica was dusted and then returned. Why the hell wasn't that used for fodder in this disaster of an exchange? Something like:
Monica: "If I had your kind of power and a chance to bring back my mom...I think I'd tell myself it'd only be for a few minutes. Just for a chance to say goodbye. And I think I might even believe I could hold myself to that, right up until the moment I had her back and knew that the only thing that could take her away again is me."
It's just...what happened to 'With great power comes great responsibility'? Why is it considered a good outcome when a 'hero' gets superpowers and almost immediately afterwards says what boils down to 'With great power comes the ability to do whatever I want'?
Great one here!
If Wanda had given herself up to face punishment for her actions the ending would have been fine. It's the fact that despite acknowledging what she did was wrong she just flies away anyway.
Tell that to Wanda’s cracked skull!
I don't think I've heard the word "suck" so many times in ten hours.
So I finish the Snydercut, go to youtube - and this is waiting for me, top in recommended!
A truly longman day, what a blessing
Also Wanda’s powerful is essentially infinite at this point, she can create a pseudo Vision at will who’s only limitation is how far from Wanda she can keep him together, which for all we know could be the entire solar system. She may well be able to create a whole army of Visions. She could possibly create a whole army of super Visions even more powerful than the original. She could probably make an army of Thanoses if she felt that way inclined.
Marvel should do a series of shorts where each episode is covering a different group of people and their experiences with the blip. It could show how some corrupt people benefited while everyone else suffered, and it would be a genuinely interesting way of world building
I forget. In the show, she's asked where her accent went several times. Did we ever get an answer for that?
Rags being hacked by Wanda had me laughing
"I'm not the one with the guns"
-Wanda, currently POINTING ALL THE SOLDIERS' GUNS AT THEIR COMMANDER
How did NO ONE see how retarded that line was, especially in context?!
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They are pointed at the toxic white male 🙄
7:45:37 Maybe an example would be a manga I read (I like ones with overpowered characters). I think it was I Quit Being a Hero a Long Time Ago. A character is surrounded by infantry and their commanding officer, who's watching this through a camera, tells them to open fire. The infantry just stand there and one of them responds via comms "You're not here, so you might not feel it. Every man here knows the moment we open fire we all die."
Interesting.
If comparing MARVEL to an addiction, one derived from the quality of the movies, then WANDAVISION is a placebo. It's the Oregano you bought when you thought you were buying Weed....
Thank Fook! Missed it live and been dying for the upload! Happy St. Patty's Longman!
The last hour is gonna become a meme.
😣⏰ sleepy tism
47:40 What’s really funny is that Rags pretty much predicted the ending of multiverse of madness
The subtitles explicitly refer to the Evan Peters character as being the character from the x-men movies, so for them to pretend it was some weird fan theory is gaslighting.
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Quicksilver in the movies does seem to have superstrength - when the mansion is blowing up in the third movie, he is tossing things around pretty much effortlessly.
I recall a discussion of the differences between the Flash and Quicksilver. MCU Quicksilver basically has the speed of The Flash, whereas in the comics he just isn't all that fast.
However, if both are depowered of speed, Q. has a huge advantage as his strength is shown to be far greater, so presumably his mutant abilities are reinforcing his body.
also why bring up the nexus if you don't recognise that the character is quicksilver from another universe. I believe some pages of the script has been lost lol
Funny just how right Rags was on how Doc Strange 2 turned out.
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness will subvert expectations by continuing the trend of teasing a multiverse but not actually having anything to do with the multiverse.
We already know the multiverse exist from the first Doctor Strange, we just need them to work with it.
The teasing only happened twice, so it's all good for now.
@@SirSadness Of course we know it exists. I was just joking. However, I find teasing rather annoying. Teasing something, then not delivering, only to deliver later, however many times it's done, just means that you didn't deliver on those times. That's not always a bad thing, but it often is. It's often self-aware cringe.
@@alexhayden219 self-aware cringe?
The first time was a lie created entirely by Misterio, and the second wasn't even a lie, the fans just got crazy.
The MCU did a good job with time travel, so they're taking their time with more complex stuff.
@@SirSadness They dd a good job with time travel?!?
@@alexhayden219 Yes, they did. The style of time travel in the MCU exists to not create paradoxes , and to not break the world building.
Rags casually guessing the climax of Dr Strange 2 a year in advance
I can trace my disappointment in this show to the moment Kat Dennings’ meatpile of a character showed up
Oh god... i still remember her on CBS...
I... I like her.
She engorges my floomble.
usually that only happens when she has to actually act...
“The voice of an angel” -Rags
Really interesting coming back and there’s still a tinge of hope for the MCU.
If I could take one trope and smash it to death with a hammer, it would be “subversion of expectations.”
Its depressing how much people use that to excuse shitty story writing. Its awesome when done right, but lately the term has been overused and with things in which it does not apply in any way.
Its cool to see efap declare solved the philosophical questions on the metaphysics of identity
MauLers reaction time at 00:35:00 was amazing
This is rather haunting to listen to, in a post doctor strange 2 world.
They didn't know, how could they.
I recently reread "The Vision" comic from a few years back and have so much more appreciation for it. Just the PvNP analogy on it's own is so much more interesting than anything they bring out in the show.
As for the ending of the show...I don't know how to feel about it. Scarlet witch is absolutely a villain, but a thing they referenced mildly and then completely bury, is that there isn't anything anyone can do about it. There isn't anything she can do to make things better than to go as far away from people as she can to learn to control herself
To quote a murderous trash panda, "everyone's got dead people, no reason to get everyone else dead along with them". To bad Monica Rambo doesn't agree...
9:05:00 That's a cool way to have Darkseid's motivation work is the take that free will causes strife. "If you remove choice from the equation, people won't go to war" or something.
I love that the last hr of this is just chat torturing Rags with superchats.
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Not Fringy?
4:42:44 Last time I saw the darkhold was at the end of Season 4 of Agents of Shield, where Coulson gave it to Robbie Reyes(Ghost Rider) so he could take it to hell. It was a book that would give you the answers for anything you seek, but at the cost of driving you mad. They casually summon a book from HELL.
Every series made before Disney+ is now non-canon.
That's actually sad, because I loved Daredevil, and now they'll probably recast him.
@@SirSadness Worse, they brought him back and ruined him.
People who claim that Wanda didn't do anything wrong are the same people who think Count Dankula should've gone to jail because he taught his pug to heil hitler as a joke.
But shouldn't they be more understanding of him making a joke when they're understanding of her doing this?