T'challa didn't die to an illness, he was murdered by the Wakanda leaders. T'challa wanted to share the Vibranium with the world, his mother didn't want to share, so she had her son murdered, and barred anyone from looking into the real cause of his death, probably poisoning. The AI was suspiciously out of the loop in monitoring T'challa's condition so as not to reveal the true cause of his death. The mother probably had Shuri do the poisoning, hence why she felt guilty throughout the film. The conversations between Shuri and her mother make more sense when viewed through this lens.
*Namor giving his backstory* - "yo, listen up here's a story About a little guy That lives in a blue world And all day and all night And everything he sees is just blue Like him inside and outside...."
@@nont18411 they're not, it's just a standard trend with being the most powerful nation, it started with Greece, then Britain now America, and in this fictional world, wakanda
Wakanda is North Korea. The only people who leave are spies watched night and day by their government because "no matter where you go, you are one of us". They stubbornly insist everyone else in the world is evil while flagrantly ignoring international law at every turn. And best of all, they are thoroughly convinced that they are the most advanced civilization on Earth despite time and again crumbling in the face of any competitor.
In Tf2's story Australia is a super advanced country that had futuristic sky scrappers in the 1800's because they have a monopoly over a rare metal called Australium, it's so powerful that it can be consumed to extend someone's lifespan and as a result from it all australians are super strong and manly Tf2 Australia was supposed to be a parody of wakanda but now mcu wakanda seems like even more of a joke
Yeah but if Australium can make an Australian that smart imagine what it could do to a bunch of people chucking spears in the middle of Africa. (Paraphrasing the quote said to Dell’s grandfather)
Timestamps 0:00 Saturday Night 1:07 Phase 4 4:17 Hot Seat 7:05 Videogames 14:00 Today’s Guests & Topics 14:20 Disintegration 17:37 General Feelings About Wakanda Forever 34:26 The Plot 35:28 Actor & Character 38:10 Gone! 43:24 Handling Death 45:38 Funeral 51:12 Wakanda V UN 1:18:29 The Vibranium Detector 1:24:10 Let’s Jump The Gun 1:27:10 The Shield 1:29:54 The Ceremony 1:33:24 Namor 1:39:23 The Spears 1:40:47 Namor’s Request 1:41:38 Underwater Civilisation 1:45:20 Namor’s Logic 1:46:45 Wakanda/Atlantis vs MCU World 1:51:15 The Council Meeting 1:52:57 Bilbo In Wakanda 1:55:51 Ironheart 1:59:03 Kidnapping 2:12:00 The Chase 2:15:15 Okoye Vs Car 2:21:30 High 2:29:45 Walker 2:30:28 Blue Vs Black 2:50:32 Bilbo Investigations 3:00:05 Fired & AI 3:03:28 Black Panther’s Girlfriend 3:04:51 From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea 3:22:38 A Godfather In Wakanda 3:26:06 Slavery 3:28:57 The Perfect Boy 3:32:54 Isolationist Nations 3:36:36 Snap 3:59:56 Under The Sea 3:47:20 Rescue Mission 3:54:08 War 3:55:53 Knives 3:58:52 Assault On Wakanda 4:13:18 The Tower 4:17:16 Drinker’s Comic 4:20:45 Rag’s Plushie 4:22:37 The drowning women 4:27:52 In Between Days 4:30:28 Out Of This World 4:35:27 The New Black Panther 4:37:20 The Submarine 4:38:58 WAR 4:40:50 Iron Heart & Fringy’s Rant 4.47:50 Hot Hot Hot!!! 4:50:50 Freakshow 5:00:42 Shuri vs Namor 5:04:55 Pokemon 5:10:42 Peace & Consequences 5:16:44 Happy Ever After 5:19:53 Moviechat 5:23:00 Final Opinions & Box Office 5:28:25 Next Marvel Projects 5:35:15 Enthusiasm 5:41:05 JLongbone Leaves 5:43:08 Superchats
The Dora Milaje essentially operated under a "shoot to kill" mentality immediately upon meeting the second Captain America, John Walker. But decided to protect RiRi Williams at all costs within a minute or two. To hell with Wakanda.
Actually you know what now that I think about it they brought up something that I don't think we're really acknowledging. There were a ton of people that died in this movie at the hands of the talokans. But if wakanda is going to abide by its word and say that they will keep the talokan a secret doesn't that mean that they have to take the blame for all of those people that got murdered at sea. As well as the cops that the talokans murdered. Oh shit...... really not the best look for wakanda because now to the United Nations it looks like they just came up and Massacre a bunch of their people. And of course if the wakanda didn't say anything about the talokan.....then Namor he'll just drowned wakanda. Honestly this leaves wakanda in a place much worse off than it started really I damned if you do damned if you don't situation. They've made enemies of the US but if they tell anybody who really killed all those soldiers out there on that ship wakanda itself will simply be drowned. Damn
I’m a big fan of whenever Fringy starts making a reference to a funny moment in a show (like the simpsons or futurama) and he starts cracking up halfway through and is unable to finish the quote
I laugh to just picturing moe and goons dragging a orca across a field. Like cheese it the feds. I love those or when someone threatens him so he runs out cracks open a crate and just releases a bunch of pandas onto the street
Riri: "My teacher said I couldn't do it, so I did it." Yeah, movie? Can we NOT reference her horrible origin story? For reference, Riri's origin in the comics has her teacher praising her during a parent-teacher meeting, but Riri demands that the teacher tell her that she can't do something. Teacher caves and tells her she can't make (I think) the Iron Man suit in order to placate her. Then Riri goes and makes the suit. It's dumb. Don't read it unless you want to be pissed off.
I hate everything about it. The strip I saw shows the teacher specifically saying "Fine.....You'll never be Tony Stark" to which Riri just evilly smirks. Needing victimisation as a motive for your actions is a Villian's origin, not a Superhero's.
This doesn't make her much of a threat. Riri's opponent: "You can't die during this fight." Riri's Iron heart suit self destructs. Riri's opponent: "That was easy."
@@darkelementz7959 for a few reasons I'm getting Syndrome vibes. As in from The Incredibles. As in they made more of a villain out of Riri than they realize with that hackneyed backstory. Though at least Syndrome was good and made sense. Here it sounds like shoehorned key to everything protagonist with a whopping ton of a lack of self-awareness.
Oh no no no. She specifically demands that the teacher tell her she can't do it _because she's back_ Then sits down like a little sociopath and says "I'll show you" Why DC celebrated Bendis coming to write Superman is a mystery to me. And we see where it got us. John dating a collage guy with pink hair when he was aged up from middle school age. _That's a good look_
I think the no helmet thing has much less to do with the actors not being able to emote vocally/with body language and much more to do with them wanting as much face time as possible. Karl Urban is the only actor I can think of with the humility to respect the character he was portraying to go an entire movie with half his face covered.
Pedro Pascal had a temper tantrum about the mandalorian helmet for the same reason. And don't you DARE downplay Karl Urban as Dredd. That man's jawline did better acting than most of the cast. ;D
@@SaiDeLaRai Hell, I could tell a lot from the way the clone troopers used their body language. Like, they were animated and were wearing helmets about 80% cent of the time, but by a slight head tilt, I could tell they were absolutely done, or surprised, or happy. I want that back, please.
I love M'baku so much. Just chilling with his boys; suddenly the city floods with blue people and his immediate reaction is to _jump in_ and bare-hand it. Giga-chad.
I thought the Paul Walker tribute was very touching, also knowing that his friendship with Vin Diesel was genuine made it all the more meaningful. The movies are still garbage.
@@Shockguey that's because he died during filming. And his family was on board with the idea. His brother was a body double for him in a lot of the movie. So you know, it was weird, but it didn't hit me as predatory. And I doubt Marvel would have just canceled black panther 2 if Chadwick died during filming. They'd have pulled a similar move.
Ryan Coogler tried to copy Civil War arc in the end but he kinda forgot that even after sparing Zemo’s life, T’Challa still arrested him for his crimes, not letting him go Last of Us 2 style like Shuri did.
If Wakanda can go wherever they want for their own political purposes, what's stopping me from breaking into other people's countries and doing the same?
I haven't seen any of the Phase 4 movies, but I have heard EFAP's coverage of them, and each time it feels less like a breakdown of a movie and more like the recounting of a mass hallucination by a group of people having a peyote fuelled fever dream. I can't believe these movies actually exist.
It feels more like a group of friends talking about what’s happened recently in their lives while thinking back about how much better life used to be, expecting it to be worse tomorrow already numb to it all.
Hellboy figured out how to have the fish guy be able to be outside his tank with a apparatus that fit over his gills with water that I think had air bubbles in it for him to breath and still show his face.
Also My Gym Partner's a Monkey had a shark with a similar setup so he could walk around. When a Cartoon Network show from the mid 2000s put more thought into how an aquatic creature would run around on land than your multimillion dollar film, you know you fucked up.
Valentina revealed at the end that she had been listening to all of Ross’s correspondence with the Wakandans. Which means she heard it when Ramunda told Ross there is a third nation involved that she can’t tell him about. Which means the US government KNOWS that Wakanda is protecting their attackers. Ms. Marvel and even She-Hulk had this same problem where the writers give characters access to information but then forget about it. When did they get so bad at tying up loose ends?
If we're going to respect old MCU lore: In Fury's map in Avengers Age of Ultron there's a marker in the Atlantic Ocean. So they know it exists. Their extent of contact is unknown.
@@Shockguey Just went and did a little searching. The map was Iron Man 2, unless they happened to do another in Avengers 2. It had quite a few markers actually it seems for a few prior movies, some current, as well as several upcoming projects. It had marks for Manhattan though it isn't clear if this relates to The Incredible Hulk or the Iron Man 2 Whiplash battle. Markers for both the crash site of Captain America as well as the town Red Skull found the Tesseract. A marker for both Atlantis and Wakanda, despite BP being nearly a decade out and the rights to Atlantis/Namor being contested when it came to distribution as Universal still held that. So Namor wasn't even remotely certain to be put into the movie rotation. A marker for the anomalies in New Mexico caused by Thor's arrival via the bifrost during the timeframe of Iron Man 2. And lastly a marker for Tony's house in Malibu.
Living underwater would definitely make you incredibly ripped and make you even stronger on land. Think Sea King from OPM or Fishmen from One Piece. It makes sense, considering the fact that when you're submerged in water, every move you make is met with a lot of resistance, not even counting underwater pressure. You don't even need to lift weights, every move, especially if you're trying to move fast, underwater would require a lot of energy and strength.
Swimming is definitely a great exercise and can imagine that living underwater would probably make someone very muscular. However the muscles needed to move efficiently through water might not be very efficient to walk on land. Penguins for example are very skilled swimmers, but are extremely clumsy on land.
@@itbesilly4544 We could assume that they don't live only on the bottom, but swim freely to the surface when they wish, experiencing different levels of water pressure.
@@jhyphenh4597 Haven't thought of that. They should be actually useless on land. Not just in a fight, but in general. Even their ability to pick something heavy up should be non-existent.
My favorite part is when Namor hates the Spanish because slavery, but they are Mayans, you know a people that participated in the slave trade, so in my head canon he was just mad that they took over the business
I have talked to 5-6 friends and all of them said they loved Wakanda Forever and argue that it was really good. Everyone I have asked in person loved it. I haven't heard a single complaint. It is so bewildering. I hated this movie and I didn't think it was good at all. I explained every issue I had to them and all I got in return was "I disagree". People's standards of movies are so low that I feel like no one even understands what a good movie is anymore.
Recently met the first person I've ever seen in person who is actually watching LotR:RoP, dude said he liked it and when I pointed out some super basic storytelling issues he just went "I guess if you're one of those people who's super nitpicky about the lore...". People have just stopped caring about good writing/quality as long as there's *moar* of a popular thing...
I didn't hate WF, parts of it I even got invested. But even then it's a 3/10. As a society we should reserve the right to like something while also accepting that it's shit. There's no shame in something being YOUR shit. It's when people conflate the two that violence becomes necessary.
I don't think it's just the standard for movies, I think most people are not that into certain topics, so they don't know how good or bad said thing can be, nor what things make it that way. It's the same case as singing or playing guitar, there are lots of relatively easy things to do with a guitar, but if you don't know even the basics then you will find yourself flabbergasted by that alone. This is not a "bad" thing for me, but it is frustrating!
I've noticed lately I'm having great difficulty to follow the summary of an MCU story. It's not because of the panel, these stories have gotten so nonsensical that you can exchange a scene from Wandavision with one from Wakanda Forever and I wouldn't even notice.
I’m not even going to bother with anything MCU related going forward. I’ll see GotG 3 because I’m a fan of James Gunn’s work, and maybe Quantumania, but I’m done with this dumpster fire after seeing how MoM and Thor 4 were colossally fucked up.
That would be a curious fun: Wait a few years, split each phase 4 movie plot into segments and mix those segments into stories and see how long it takes for people to notice something wrong... or if they do at all.
I think I understand exactly what you mean. I never watch this garbage and I listen to this while I fall asleep, and I could put almost any EFAP discussing a movie on and they’d sound like other EFAPs where the stories they review have exactly the same issues.
"the wings are comic accurate" Ok... but you didn't need to make them _flap_ like that. They don't move in the comic, and it doesn't translate very well from sequential pictures to moving picture. Just give him static unmovable wings, or tattooed/painted/embroidered on his ankle/anklets, like on Cap's MCU helmet.
Now I imagine the Wings on Caps Helmet flapping too. 😄 He technically got a magical Potions that makes him super strong already, so now he just needs to develop a taste for roasted Boar and Captain America would be a worthy successir of Asterix the Gaul.
This was my thought as well. Definitely give him the ankle wings but don’t make them flap. Or if you must make them move, I think a slow deliberate flap could have maybe worked. (Think like Angel from the X-men) It might still look silly, but I promise it would be nowhere near as ridiculous and distracting as the hummingbird shit he has going on in the movie.
I think it's very telling that my reaction to seeing this on my feed was 'wait that's out?' Seriously I saw absolutely no fanfare around this film's release
becuz its basically being seen as a film funeral for chadwick boseman since he didn't get to star in it which is why people are seeing it, pass that no one cares about what comes next
@57:54 So Rags brings up how the Wakandans can be technologically advanced in the first place and it reminded me of the Star Trek episode "The Masterpiece Society." Basically, a colony of genetically engineered geniuses are about to be killed by debris from a neutron star. Long story short, they figure out how to move the fragment out of the way based on La Forge's VISOR. Geordi makes the point that this technology does not exist in the Masterpiece society because if they had their way, he would have been aborted due to his blindness. After all, "Necessity is the mother of invention, after all." So, let's look at the Wakandans, an insular people that have no desire to interact with the outside world and use Vibranium for everything. They have planes because of magic vibranium, but do they understand aerodynamics? They have vibranium medicine, but do they understand microbiology? Why bother inventing the microscope if the cure for every ailment is vibranium pills? If Wakanda was treated as a serious part of the MCU, they'd be where Edo Japan was at, where their culture and technology stagnated while the rest of the world innovated. Wakanda might have the tech advantage for now, but that might not be true a hundred years from now with mass-produced arc reactor planes, tanks, and artillery. As we saw in Infinity War, their energy shield couldn't even hold up to a Zerg rush and Wakandan battle tactics have not evolved past--at most--Shaka Zulu's formation. In fact, their tactical understanding is worse than that given how T'Challa was dumb enough to get into melee range of a Zerg rush. How would Wakanda hold up to a US-led coalition of the willing bombing their shield every day for a year? So, I think all the talk of Wakandan superiority is just that. They know that if they got into a serious war, they'd be on the losing end of siege, so they send their special forces out to intimidate other nations while using their cloak to stay hidden and avoid showing the world just how advanced they are. They're probably like the Dahomey tribe, selling off other, lesser Africans to the colonizers seeing as how Killmonger's mother was a slave. It's not like Wakanda cared about other Africans, after all.
@@Shockguey your basis is bad because the Wakandans aren’t genetically engineered super geniuses. They don’t abort people due to defects or weed out sicknesses before they happen. Your example is terrible specifically BECAUSE wakanda isn’t anything like that.
The Jabari are literally an entire part of Wakanda that stick closer to traditional means compared to the rest of the country. They are not a homogeneous society like the Star Trek example.
One thing I always mention is how T'challa's father dies. He isn't shot down in a battle or bested by some supervillain like most people default to when discussing how a superhero might die -he's assassinated via bomb. The thought that energy shields and vibranium armor is enough to stand up to *any* standing army of the modern day is laughable as is, but it is just as easy to imagine Shuri being shot or poisoned and dropping dead seemingly randomly because some enemy nation wanted them gone and the Wakandans are just too dumb to realize this threat. Shuri is easily the most important person the Wakadans have, yet she's on the frontlines of basically every major conflict the Wakandans have?? Just fucking shoot her with some pillaged Endgame or Stark tech, she's gone.
One minute it’s, “Not everything has to be comic accurate” like when I pointed out how trash Moon Knight was.. and then it’s “Its comic accurate” and praising comic accuracy when it does occur.
Remember at the end of one of the iron man movies when there was a map, showing shield knows not only about Wakanda. But also a mysterious place marked in the middle of the sea? THEY ALREADY KNOW ATLANTIS IS THERE. By that logic HYDRA knew where Atlantis was.
I miss playing splitscreen games. And it's kinda strange because our screens are so much bigger than they used to be. Back in the day, a normal living tv was like 24". Now, it's not uncommon to have a screen that 50"+.
Thing is, the "cornrows" is actually a good part of design if it were done in isolation. It's called FLUTING. Shadiversity has talked about it in the development of armor and meant to guide away incoming blows. However it seems like it was just used as a direct reference to cornrows.
Muriel on the stand dropping raw lines about the dignity of her house and how the filthy outsiders are no longer welcome, before Eustace chucks in a mercenary shouting "Stupid thief!"
The "Midnight Angel" armor looks like Predators because Shuri modeled them on an old Wakandan legend about mysterious beings that came at night and hunted their most powerful hunters. They supposedly looked somewhat like that. Predators in MCU Phase 5 confirmed!
the funny thing about the blaster spear aiming, it's kinda how the early handcannons were like, just spears with a mini cannon at the end that you eyeball, and from that it evolved into the matchlock. i guess wakanda never figured out that part.
I mean they never really needed to, by cutting themselves off from the world they were never pushed to advance their weaponry to protect themselves from outside threats, thus weakening the "strongest" nation, and it was proven when they LOST to another nation who used exclusively (non-laser) spears, even when they had x3 Iron Men armors (all of which were made of Vibranium). It was literally a loss of hundreds of Wakandans VS a loss of two whole not-Atlantians
I think it would've been better if they did either: 1. T'chala died in battle like JLB said. There's dignity in that and it can have a second meaning. 2. Recast the actor and maybe have a "In loving memory of Chadwick" or something like that in the beginning or the end of the movie.
@@nmr7203 the main reason in this case I think is that it would've really highlighted that black panther had absolutely no role to play in this entire movie. Right now they could pretend they "rewrote it" but the reality is that all the scenes were already filmed and all the cgi that takes many months to do was finished as well. Neither of these things can just be redone in a jiffy after a quick rewrite.
Same with Leia. Either recast her with someone who looks plausibly similar like Glenn Close, or have something like a tasteful funeral scene at the beginning of RoS. The CGI-puppet Leia was the worst of both worlds.
'He got mortally wounded during the Endgame fight, but stayed alive a long time because of his powers. He kept fighting his injures to stay alive long enough to insure that Wakanda shared their resources and technology with the world.' - There, I fixed it.
He flies in a ship towards Galactus. You don't need to animate the fucking suit, just a speck flying towards Galactus. "You have no hope of winning. Your loss is assured. What are your final words mortal?" BOOM opening title.
As a native spanish speaker, it bothers me how "Namor" makes no sense whatsoever. His name should be something like "They called me el pendejo de mierda"
One can only agree with jlb and metal - the movie is so unnecessary and so empty, it does look like grief monetization. Which sucks. Even leaving all the plotholes and bad motivations aside - two made up groups fight against each other because of an empty threat in a world full of supes. And there is a cuckold bilbo, too. what the fuck.
During the Namor Shuri fight, when namor is trying to walk to the water and Shuri gets off the spear, she runs at namor and he just ducks and shuri flies over him. It was the funniest thing in the whole movie, it looked like a 3 stooges skit.
It would have been so easy to film an opening scene of T'Challa, in the suit (cg or otherwise), courageously being struck down in battle. They could have tied that into Namor, perhaps he was involved or even responsible for it, that would build him up as a formidable opponent and give Shuri a greater cause for vengeance. They absolutely could have used previous footage combined with cg to give us one last moment with T'Challa when he removes his helmet right before perishing. I feel like that would have been really powerful. And I understand that it could feel disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman in some regards, witnessing his death on screen, but I believe that it would have been way more respectful to the character and the audience.
The way this movie 'honors' Chadwick Boseman's struggle with cancer really rubs me the wrong way. First of all, killing off the character he dedicated much of the latter years of his life to portraying is about as close to honoring Boseman as smashing your grandmother's beloved sewing machine with a sledgehammer is honoring her. It's a disgusting inversion of the very idea of celebrating a life well lived. Then, to make it worse, they also destroy the very point of the character's ending actions in the previous movie just to have the same damn conflict again later. He brought Wakanda out of its isolationism to slowly make it into a shining beacon for the world. In the same way some people look up to the wealth and prosperity of the Western World, Wakanda could become that same kind of lofty example for the entire planet which will then carry the rest of the world to that same level. The very conflict of "You can't have anything of ours especially not that metal causing massive technological advancement allowing such amazing things as curing cancer" appearing again destroys the legacy of T'challa. It annoys me greatly to put it lightly especially when we consider that cancer is the thing that killed T'challa's real life actor. Quite literally, Marvel's movie writers, to honor this man who tragically died of cancer, retconed the plot point where the character he played helped the rest of the world to cure cancer.
"He brought Wakanda out of its isolationism to slowly make it into a shining beacon for the world." You're looking at it from a technological standpoint, not a military one. Vibranium as a resource puts a target on Wakanda's back. Wakanda isn't a major world superpower like China/US/UK/France/Russia is on the board. They hold no veto power and barely any allies. The "Destabilization" line in the movie was one of the most poignant things it did.
@@Shockguey The technological standpoint is the same as the millitary one. Wakanda has all the power. They are the world power not directly ruling everything only because they choose not to and remain in isolation. Wakanda is a country from 2200 dealing with a weak easily conquered world from the 2000s. Regardless, this theoretical target is only on their back by not working with the rest of the world. The whole argument is invalidated as soon as they become a willing trade partner with and science class teacher for the rest of the free market world.
@@Alex_Fahey "Wakanda has all the power" What do you even think power is? NO THEY DON'T, no matter how boastful they want to be, they barely have any power. They aren't dictating policy on the international level. Go ahead and tell me that North Korea, with its' nuclear capabilities and mountain of precious metals is a goddamn SUPERPOWER.
@@Shockguey The fact remains, Wakanda withholding Vibranium tech from the world out of suspicion that they'll misuse it is MASSIVELY hypocritical given that, in the first film, they nearly went to war with the entire world because Killmonger became king and wanted them to, with nobody willing to tell him no or stop him until T'challa came back. Wakanda already has far more potential for misusing Vibranium tech than anyone else does considering that they elect their leader in a barbaric combat to the death, despite their supposed 'enlightenment', and they're apparently not willing to go against this leader in any way even if they're dragging the nation into a fight they can't realistically win, unless someone else invokes the trial by combat. There's also that time in FATWS where several Dora Milaje nearly killed John Walker and Lamar several times while trying to apprehend Zemo with their shiny, top tier Vibranium spears for absolutely no reason, while spouting genuinely fascistic lines about having authority wherever they go, flagrantly flouting international law and being willing to kill US military officers with their Vibranium weapons when it suits them. The only reason Walker, Captain America at the time, didn't die when one of them tried to stab him? That nice VIBRANIUM shield of his that blocked the spear. Them trying to hoard Vibranium tech out of distrust for other countries is incredibly hypocritical given what they're shown to be willing to do with it. After what they did in FATWS, I'd argue that other countries are fully within their right to weaponize Vibranium for themselves just to protect their citizens and military officers in case the Dora Milaje try and kill them for no reason, like they tried to do to Walker and Lamar in FATWS. Plus, you know....realistically, there's no advantage Vibranium tech can give in Earth-based war that pre-existing technology, like fleets of aircraft, flotillas of ships and arsenals of NUCLEAR WEAPONS, can't already offer. They're essentially just hoarding all their technological advantages from the rest of the world.
3:42:07 The losing team didn’t die from playing that game. The captain of the winning team would be sacrificed to K’uk’ulkan by the captain of the losing team, which was the highest honor, and both teams used armor, shields, and spears to defend the ball. You pretty much wanted to be the captain and play to win so that you could achieve the highest honor. They believed that the blood from your sacrifice would go back to Mother Nature and she would use that blood to spring forth new life.
I was gonna say, 90% is a little low. EDIT: Since it's been bothering me, let's do the math: (93.4%). So yeah, closer to 95. Black Widow: Bad Shang Chi: Bad Eternals: Bad No Way Home: Good Doctor Strange MoM: Bad Thor Love and Thunder: Bad Black Panther WF: Bad WandaVision: Bad Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Bad Loki: Bad Marvel What If: Bad Hawkeye: Bad Moon Knight: Bad Ms Marvel: Bad She Hulk: Bad I keep wanting to throw in Obi Wan and Boba Fett, but this isn't a review of Disney Plus. Had they not cut Phase 4 short, this would have looked even worse on a spreadsheet.
@@thuglifebear5256 90% mental diarrhoea, 5% delusional belief, 70% The Message. It is more than 100%, because it reflects the mathematical skills they possess. Disney needs to stop its constant drink binges. It isn't healthy.
Well you can do the "honor culture" while not making them actually honorable. Star Trek does this beautifully with the Klingons. They talk up honor as this ultimate ideal but very few of them actually live up to it, and the shows call this out. The typical hypocrisy of the Klingon honor code is what makes them one of the most interesting alien races in the franchise, especially when juxtaposed against characters like Worf who suffers terribly for actually taking it seriously and living up to his culture's stated ideals. He represents everything his people are supposed to be, but ends up shit on by those who merely pay it lip service.
Did I misunderstand the Riri situation? I was under the impression that the government was using her invention without her knowledge, because when Shuri and Okoye tell her about the situation, Riri acts like she knew nothing about it. This put me under the impression that the CIA somehow learned about and took her invention without her knowledge. But it was never explained further, so it’s hard to tell what the movie was trying to say was happening.
It does beg the question, whats the actual point of a Vibranium detector if you aren't gonna sell it to someone? Are you planning on always praying in the direction of Wakanda or something? What is the actual purpose of it if not for prospecting?
So are we all in agreement at this point everyone like T'challa, Tony, Natasha, and Steve are just watching the entirety of phase 4 happen up in MCU afterlife just really pissed that after everything they did, THIS is what the world they fought for has become? They are all rolling in their graves right now.
The wing feet are comic accurate but in the comics u never see them flapping like hes riding two pigeons. If he just flew like superman and they didnt flap it wud have been MUCH less stupid
The closest to a real-life Wakanda was the Empire of Mali. They had almost a monopoly on gold, and then some king spent it all. Mali was promptly lost to history. *Thanks, Mansa Musa!*
Wasn't he the same king who was so rich, he gave out free gold to anyone he bumped into to and from his Hajj and subsequently crashed the economies of each country he passed through?
Can we talk about how stupid it is that Namor was born just a couple hundred years ago, and yet claims he is "Kukulkan," an Aztec god that has been around for thousands of years?
God of War 3 gave Hermes metallic shoes with metallic wings as a way to not make his ankle wings goofy and make it more of this advanced magic item that Kratos uses. Namor having actual wings growing out of his ankles just looks stupid, like you could just say "these boots were an old asgardian artifact we got and because it came from literal gods we gave them to our leader"
Also, New Asgard, A FUCKING SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT is working alongside other governments and they have LITERAL GOD MAGIC. Wakanda has really good metal, like imagine if the movie made New Asgard another party that also wants the metal, what the hell would wakanda do?
"Most powerful nation on earth", they really insist with that one, through the entire movie, non-stop. Well, the "most powerful nation on earth" lost their capital after an attack of less than 30 fish people (being generous there, pretty sure there was 15 of them top) and left their queen totally unprotected during said attack. "Most powerful nation on earth" ? Yeah sure. PS: Important: For your information, the Dora Milaje are directly inspired by the Dahomey people. Yes, the slaver kingdom which the whole of Africa feared at the height of the slave trade and one of the biggest offenders in this trade (the Agojie, all female enforcers were absolute monsters). So there, nice bit of information.
"Because you said I can't" is such garbage motivation for a character. It was the same thing in Prey, it just doesn't work to get you invested in the character. It also just shouldn't be so plainly stated by the character, either.
I mean, it _can_ work (I've had that motivation, myself) but they're doing it wrong. You have to build it up over time; make it a drive to prove whoever it was wrong. And yeah, you don't just blatantly say it like that. That's cringe.
@@TaoScribble it's just not enough to carry a plot or to overcome extraneous factors that would sensibly discourage it for me. Going back to Prey, Naru wants to be a hunter because "they" say she can't. But, as a healer, she already has a position of status and practical importance among her people so her motivation just comes off as childish. I could see it as a starting point, I suppose, but it should develop into a more personal and therefore powerful motivation.
I think it’s a tough balancing act because “I’m doing this because someone said I can’t” should never be used as a primary motivator. The character should genuinely have a goal that they care about and if someone tells them they aren’t capable of achieving said goal, that should only serve to strengthen their resolve, not become their driving force as a whole. It needs to begin as something that the character actually wants for it to feel relatable, because in real life, the people who pursue things only because others doubted them are oftentimes hugely insecure and petty.
46:12 this is why I truly value written wills at my current age. It is unnecessary to guess what a person might want, and not want, done in his name in case he/she dies or unable to speak for himself/herself. It also stops people from abusing that person’s legacy and asset afterwards.
So did Shuri and Ta’Challa’s mom fight all the other tribes to become Queen? Cause Ta’challa had to, even though he was the son of the king. Annnd clearly they expected Shuri to do it at the end of the movie.
You know, I was so fucking floored by the sheer coincidence of Riri shooting the drone in just such a way that it crashed directly into the police barricade that. I barely had the time to process how she fucking killed at peast three cops.
2:29:00 "Of course we're rooting for the protagonists." This is something that I recognized pretty early on in Phase 4 and it's only continued and been reinforced. But it's what I found the most objectionable about TFATWS and what made me actually mad at that show, rather than just disappointed. The new caretakers of the MCU are almost all morally bankrupt, but also extremely manipulative of their audience. There was a bit of this in WandaVision, mainly with gaslighting with how sympathetically Wanda should be taken, but it was turned way up for TFATWS. Everything in that show is backwards and it's hard for me to even tell if it's on purpose or through extreme incompetence and lack of self-awareness. It's constant throughout that show, though. What the story and characters are actually telling us is in direct opposition to what the music, camera angles, lighting, and apparent themes are telling us. It's EXTREMELY manipulative of its audience. One of the biggest indicators early on was how John Walker was introduced. Everything about the presentation screamed "Don't like this guy!!!" but what we were told in-universe is that he's a totally stand-up dude and worthy of the title - and that's never contradicted in-universe, except in dialogue from mainly our protagonists. This trend has continued throughout Phase 4, with the best examples probably remaining TFATWS and then She-Hulk. But, it's been throughout MOST projects. And, it typically works. The majority of audiences don't see the manipulation. They just accept what they're told to think. This is pretty distinctly different from what the previous three phases did, presenting actual heroes, but not hiding their flaws. I hate it.
There's a term for this: Protagonist Centered Morality. You don't have to make your heroes good people, just browbeat your audience into accepting them as the hero and sabotage any characters that the audience actually liked through character assassination.
Alright, fun-fact time. The Blue Fugates were a family in the Appalachians, specifically Kentucky, that developed an abnormal condition that caused their skin to be blue due to the lack of oxygen in their blood. They got that way due to inbreeding.
My wife and I actually have been talking about Australian inspired pokemon on and off for the last few years. What we had decided on was platypus for the water starter, bilby for fire, and kiwi for grass. The box legendary would be based off the rainbow snake.
There's has to be at least ONE descendant of throne out there that's a white guy. You telling me not ONCE in hundreds of years was there not a single Black Panther that fathered a foreign bastard?
Diversity is really just less white people. Wankanda is a black power fantasy. The funny thing is that even in their wildest dreams where they wuz kangz the white man still abolished slavery and did more for the world than they ever could.
3:39:10 I've said it multiple times... during the "snap" there should have been two connected movies, one for Black Widow that focuses on her coming out of the shadows and shedding her past to create a new public persona trying to keep the world together, and the other for Hawkeye... as he slowly becomes Ronin due to watching humanity failing at being decent...
When I first saw it, I legit thought it was part of an ad for a new Transformers animated series live-action movie. It straight up looks like one of the smaller "female" transformers.
I was diagnosed with lung cancer a few months ago and started cooking meth in order to pay for my treatment and provide for my family. An opportunity arose for me to sell my product to a major distributor. On my way to the drug deal, my pregnant wife informed me that she was in labor. Instead of going to the hospital, I dropped of the meth and missed the birth of my daughter. The deal earned me millions of dollars that will go directly to my family's future. I am feeling very conflicted about my decision. Am I the asshole?
Can't fucking BELIEVE they worked in the bit where Riri badgered her teacher into pretending to be racist. And yet, at the same time, I can. Also can we stop giving them Devil Fruits? It's the same exact outcome every single time because losing the ability to swim just isn't an issue for people who don't spend 90% of their lives on the seas.
The propaganda is strong. Poor Riri was underestimated by a racist teacher. Don't mention how she has a victim complex and the teacher was actually very supportive
@@inquisitionagent9052I don't remember if it happened this way in the MCU, but this was how it went down in her comic book origin story: Riri asked her teacher to put her down, based on her race, in order to motivate her via spite to become someone noteworthy. She explicitly stated she was inspired by famous black women who were told similar things, only for her teacher to tell her that things don't have to be that way anymore. Riri then pesters her into saying *something* objectionable, so she finally agrees to say, "You will never be Tony Stark." It was *reprehensible* and made me hate Riri Williams *instantly.*
2:06:39 Remember in Iron Man 2 when Tony was showing how world governments couldn't replicate his tech and then told them only he gets to keep it? Guess Happy and Pepper aren't flying over to MIT with a bunch of lawyers to file cease and desists on Ri-Ri? I hope they go with Daredevil and not She-Hulk tho...
Yeah, that Arc Reactor would be a HUGE no-no, especially considering the first Ironman set the technology up to be an important part of Stark Industries' plan to move away from weapons development. Riri would have Stark lawyers breathing down her neck just waiting for a misstep
46:00 Probably adding a "dedicated to X" at the start of the credits, like a lot of films do, would be the most clean way of doing it. You wouldn't have issues with setting the right tone.
What jarred me with the T'Challa funeral scene was with the first trailer it made it seem as if the entire nation was in a mournful state that American audiences are much more familiar with while what was in the movie was much more like what you'd get with a New Orleans. It was the sudden switch that got me.
Hi there! So I just kinda wanna touch on that part as someone who grew up in this kind of culture. In many part of East and South Africa, funeral customs are seen as a celebration of a person's life. Yes we mourn our loved ones, but we celebrate their life. It's why you see everyone dressed in white as opposed to the traditional black mourning clothes in the western countries.
"Just put the game on a big USB and plug that in to the thing." You wouldn't even have to call it a USB, it could be something catchy, like a, say... cartridge.
Imagine if America refused to share the internet with the rest of the world. It's actually very neat that the internet is a thing that virtually anyone can _just get._
When you make anything at University. It becomes the property of that University. So for the writers to pretend it's ReeRee's is another stupid oversight.
In regards to the water in the mask. I think more apt comparison would be pulling a plastic bag over your head and then going diving for a few hours. 😁
3:49:12 It's SOOOOO big Fringy that it has a river that runs in reverse up TO the mountains... remember in the first movie when T'Challa was tossed off the cliff and the Gorilla tribe managed to find him floating down their river in their snow-covered mountain lands?
The Dora Milajay or however it’s spelled are kind of busted. They’re assholes but they’re also extremely powerful and skilled in combat to the point where they match or come close to super humans like Bucky barns, the telochans, killmonger, etc. while being regular people. On top of all that they have little to no character besides seriousness, loyalty, and baldness. These husks of characters who are only good for combat and the occasional lazy fish out of water joke now have super vibranium suits. So now they’re even more busted than before and are now essentially unstoppable on the battlefield unless they fight an opponent who is using vibranium or someone like Thanos. So Wakanda is pretty safe from all threats now because they can just make iron man suits now with little to no difficulty. Fucking perfect
T'challa didn't die to an illness, he was murdered by the Wakanda leaders. T'challa wanted to share the Vibranium with the world, his mother didn't want to share, so she had her son murdered, and barred anyone from looking into the real cause of his death, probably poisoning. The AI was suspiciously out of the loop in monitoring T'challa's condition so as not to reveal the true cause of his death. The mother probably had Shuri do the poisoning, hence why she felt guilty throughout the film. The conversations between Shuri and her mother make more sense when viewed through this lens.
Holy shit, youre right they JFK'd him
And the reason why they could easily lift his coffin is because they secretly ate him before the funeral
Oh look. A good/cool idea.
Therefore I know its not what they've gone for in any capacity.
#BlackPantherdidntkillhimself
@@JamesSchulte That means they also poisoned themselevs😅
I love the joke that the villagers from “fake wakanda” just choose to live there because the actual city and science people are just weird as hell
They shoot anyone coming from that side of the border on sight, its the only way to make sure
*Namor giving his backstory* -
"yo, listen up here's a story
About a little guy
That lives in a blue world
And all day and all night
And everything he sees is just blue
Like him inside and outside...."
If he were green he would die
"I'm blue, with my feet wings I fly, aba-diba buday"
Someone at Marvel pitched the idea of disrespecting Chadwick Boseman and Tony Stark's legacies in the same movie and Kevin Feige went all in
"First you had my curiosity, now you have my erection."
--Fiege (probably)
Shitting on the legacy of characters is TIGHT!
How?
Kevin feige: Clearly none of you people understand comedy. Family guy does this all the time
RDJ is going to return for Iron Man 4, which will just be 2 1\2 Hrs of Re Re pegging Tony Stark.
Car flip victim: "I wish there was some way i could walk again"
Wakanda: "Sending hopes and prayers" 🤣
Kinda like the US
@@omas1178 Exactly. So I don’t know how Wakanda is better than US in the film.
@@nont18411 they're not, it's just a standard trend with being the most powerful nation, it started with Greece, then Britain now America, and in this fictional world, wakanda
@@omas1178 We have our own problems we still need to take care of. Sending billions to countries that hate us isn't the solution.
Wakanda is North Korea. The only people who leave are spies watched night and day by their government because "no matter where you go, you are one of us". They stubbornly insist everyone else in the world is evil while flagrantly ignoring international law at every turn. And best of all, they are thoroughly convinced that they are the most advanced civilization on Earth despite time and again crumbling in the face of any competitor.
In Tf2's story Australia is a super advanced country that had futuristic sky scrappers in the 1800's because they have a monopoly over a rare metal called Australium, it's so powerful that it can be consumed to extend someone's lifespan and as a result from it all australians are super strong and manly
Tf2 Australia was supposed to be a parody of wakanda but now mcu wakanda seems like even more of a joke
When TF2 has lore far superior to MCU Wakanda...
Parody has become saner than reality...
Team Fortress?
Does Fringy live in that futuristic world of Australia tism?
@@greatclubsandwich5612 it's a shame we're never gonna get the last issue of the comic book
@@mrminecraftcubeable what happened
Yeah but if Australium can make an Australian that smart imagine what it could do to a bunch of people chucking spears in the middle of Africa. (Paraphrasing the quote said to Dell’s grandfather)
Timestamps
0:00 Saturday Night
1:07 Phase 4
4:17 Hot Seat
7:05 Videogames
14:00 Today’s Guests & Topics
14:20 Disintegration
17:37 General Feelings About Wakanda Forever
34:26 The Plot
35:28 Actor & Character
38:10 Gone!
43:24 Handling Death
45:38 Funeral
51:12 Wakanda V UN
1:18:29 The Vibranium Detector
1:24:10 Let’s Jump The Gun
1:27:10 The Shield
1:29:54 The Ceremony
1:33:24 Namor
1:39:23 The Spears
1:40:47 Namor’s Request
1:41:38 Underwater Civilisation
1:45:20 Namor’s Logic
1:46:45 Wakanda/Atlantis vs MCU World
1:51:15 The Council Meeting
1:52:57 Bilbo In Wakanda
1:55:51 Ironheart
1:59:03 Kidnapping
2:12:00 The Chase
2:15:15 Okoye Vs Car
2:21:30 High
2:29:45 Walker
2:30:28 Blue Vs Black
2:50:32 Bilbo Investigations
3:00:05 Fired & AI
3:03:28 Black Panther’s Girlfriend
3:04:51 From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea
3:22:38 A Godfather In Wakanda
3:26:06 Slavery
3:28:57 The Perfect Boy
3:32:54 Isolationist Nations
3:36:36 Snap
3:59:56 Under The Sea
3:47:20 Rescue Mission
3:54:08 War
3:55:53 Knives
3:58:52 Assault On Wakanda
4:13:18 The Tower
4:17:16 Drinker’s Comic
4:20:45 Rag’s Plushie
4:22:37 The drowning women
4:27:52 In Between Days
4:30:28 Out Of This World
4:35:27 The New Black Panther
4:37:20 The Submarine
4:38:58 WAR
4:40:50 Iron Heart & Fringy’s Rant
4.47:50 Hot Hot Hot!!!
4:50:50 Freakshow
5:00:42 Shuri vs Namor
5:04:55 Pokemon
5:10:42 Peace & Consequences
5:16:44 Happy Ever After
5:19:53 Moviechat
5:23:00 Final Opinions & Box Office
5:28:25 Next Marvel Projects
5:35:15 Enthusiasm
5:41:05 JLongbone Leaves
5:43:08 Superchats
You're awesome
0:17 Ragsese's Brony friends 🐶🐴
@@sparkypack That was fun to stumble on to. Guys get pony butt tattoos?!?!?!? 🤣
@@horseradishpower9947 and MauLer not knowing what cutie marks are. xD
You should have had a time code for "byurial".
The West: We need that Vibranium to advance technologically!
Wakanda: I grew up surrounded by Vibranium
Namor: I grew up in a city surrounded by water.
Namor: You merely adopted the ocean, I was born in it.
The Dora Milaje essentially operated under a "shoot to kill" mentality immediately upon meeting the second Captain America, John Walker.
But decided to protect RiRi Williams at all costs within a minute or two.
To hell with Wakanda.
A friendly shoulder tap isn't welcome either. 😔
Also killing a bunch of cops too. First when kidnapping Riri. Second when helping Bilbo escaped.
I think you meant to say “STAB to kill” they are using Spears
John Walker is a douche.
Actually you know what now that I think about it they brought up something that I don't think we're really acknowledging. There were a ton of people that died in this movie at the hands of the talokans. But if wakanda is going to abide by its word and say that they will keep the talokan a secret doesn't that mean that they have to take the blame for all of those people that got murdered at sea. As well as the cops that the talokans murdered. Oh shit...... really not the best look for wakanda because now to the United Nations it looks like they just came up and Massacre a bunch of their people. And of course if the wakanda didn't say anything about the talokan.....then Namor he'll just drowned wakanda. Honestly this leaves wakanda in a place much worse off than it started really I damned if you do damned if you don't situation. They've made enemies of the US but if they tell anybody who really killed all those soldiers out there on that ship wakanda itself will simply be drowned. Damn
I’m a big fan of whenever Fringy starts making a reference to a funny moment in a show (like the simpsons or futurama) and he starts cracking up halfway through and is unable to finish the quote
I concur
I laugh to just picturing moe and goons dragging a orca across a field. Like cheese it the feds. I love those or when someone threatens him so he runs out cracks open a crate and just releases a bunch of pandas onto the street
Its quite annoying..... Especially since he isnt smart enough to be able to pronounce single syllable words.....
Riri: "My teacher said I couldn't do it, so I did it."
Yeah, movie? Can we NOT reference her horrible origin story?
For reference, Riri's origin in the comics has her teacher praising her during a parent-teacher meeting, but Riri demands that the teacher tell her that she can't do something. Teacher caves and tells her she can't make (I think) the Iron Man suit in order to placate her. Then Riri goes and makes the suit.
It's dumb. Don't read it unless you want to be pissed off.
I hate everything about it. The strip I saw shows the teacher specifically saying "Fine.....You'll never be Tony Stark" to which Riri just evilly smirks.
Needing victimisation as a motive for your actions is a Villian's origin, not a Superhero's.
Its worse than that, the teacher says that she cant be tony stark.
This doesn't make her much of a threat.
Riri's opponent: "You can't die during this fight."
Riri's Iron heart suit self destructs.
Riri's opponent: "That was easy."
@@darkelementz7959 for a few reasons I'm getting Syndrome vibes. As in from The Incredibles. As in they made more of a villain out of Riri than they realize with that hackneyed backstory. Though at least Syndrome was good and made sense. Here it sounds like shoehorned key to everything protagonist with a whopping ton of a lack of self-awareness.
Oh no no no. She specifically demands that the teacher tell her she can't do it _because she's back_
Then sits down like a little sociopath and says "I'll show you"
Why DC celebrated Bendis coming to write Superman is a mystery to me. And we see where it got us. John dating a collage guy with pink hair when he was aged up from middle school age. _That's a good look_
I think the no helmet thing has much less to do with the actors not being able to emote vocally/with body language and much more to do with them wanting as much face time as possible. Karl Urban is the only actor I can think of with the humility to respect the character he was portraying to go an entire movie with half his face covered.
The emoting excuse is literally JUST an excuse, it's ABSOLUTELY an ego thing for the actors and a laziness thing for the crew
Pedro Pascal had a temper tantrum about the mandalorian helmet for the same reason. And don't you DARE downplay Karl Urban as Dredd. That man's jawline did better acting than most of the cast. ;D
Oddly enough I personally feel that a LOT can be conveyed with body language and other non-facial cues like camera technique
I can totally see the egotistical Hollywood prick types behaving like this
@@SaiDeLaRai Hell, I could tell a lot from the way the clone troopers used their body language. Like, they were animated and were wearing helmets about 80% cent of the time, but by a slight head tilt, I could tell they were absolutely done, or surprised, or happy. I want that back, please.
I love M'baku so much. Just chilling with his boys; suddenly the city floods with blue people and his immediate reaction is to _jump in_ and bare-hand it. Giga-chad.
Man-Ape is a severely underrated villain didn’t he comics and the movies are absolutely killing it with him.
Best character of the movie. Whenever he was on screen. I actually enjoyed it.
True gigachad
the only one of the City of Racists that i actually enjoyed on screen lol
That moment when you realize Fast and Furious had a better tribute for Paul Walker, than this movie did for Chadwick Boseman.
And what Furious 7 did was still considered cash grabby as hell but somehow still better than this
Whoa hey, whoa, I disagree FF had a CGI Paul Walker.
I thought the Paul Walker tribute was very touching, also knowing that his friendship with Vin Diesel was genuine made it all the more meaningful. The movies are still garbage.
It didn't.
@@Shockguey that's because he died during filming. And his family was on board with the idea. His brother was a body double for him in a lot of the movie. So you know, it was weird, but it didn't hit me as predatory. And I doubt Marvel would have just canceled black panther 2 if Chadwick died during filming. They'd have pulled a similar move.
Ryan Coogler tried to copy Civil War arc in the end but he kinda forgot that even after sparing Zemo’s life, T’Challa still arrested him for his crimes, not letting him go Last of Us 2 style like Shuri did.
of course he didn't even remember absolutely fucking nothing
It was pretty clear even in the first Black Panther that Coogler didn't have much reverence for T'Challa's excellent writing in CW
Then talokan would just invade wakanda again and kill more people?
Imagine if he just convinced Zola not to take his own life, n then got up and walked away from him 😂😂😂
Someone at marvel decided, yes, i want corn rolls molded into the ironman helmet
By Odin’s fade!
It's corn 'rows'
@@anonimuso: Either way, they are fvcking stupid.....
@@anonimuso
Nah, rolls is funnier
@@sparxskywriter2589 mmm. Corn rolls 😋
If Wakanda can go wherever they want for their own political purposes, what's stopping me from breaking into other people's countries and doing the same?
are you trying to reason the pile of garbage they put into screen?
It's bad when America does it but ok because they're Wakandan.
Wakanda is basically everything the Far Left believes the U.S. to be.
Nothing stopped the states invading Vietnam and iraq n shit for their own political purposes
Depends on country, the people at the borders/ports of entry with guns are generally considered to be a deterrent.
the real disgusting part about digital only, is that eventually the marketplace closes down leaving you with an unplayable game you spent money on
Or games just blipping out because of rights changes.
@SamWallace Art
Hope you liked the Activision Transformers games existing, because they didn't!
Thankfully we have brave seamen coursing through these shallow waters and preserving these treasures on an isolated islands.
@@TheNemesis432 Yo Ho Ho and a bottle of rum.
Saying Iron Heart looks like something from Power Rangers is an insult to Power Rangers.
I haven't seen any of the Phase 4 movies, but I have heard EFAP's coverage of them, and each time it feels less like a breakdown of a movie and more like the recounting of a mass hallucination by a group of people having a peyote fuelled fever dream. I can't believe these movies actually exist.
I know. That's why I enjoy listening to them for hours. It's the acid trip without the horrifying side effects that come with it.
It feels more like a group of friends talking about what’s happened recently in their lives while thinking back about how much better life used to be, expecting it to be worse tomorrow already numb to it all.
That's a fantastic way to summarize this mess. A mass hallucination. Good one.
3:44:05 "Everybody's got dead people! It's no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way!" - Rocket
Hellboy figured out how to have the fish guy be able to be outside his tank with a apparatus that fit over his gills with water that I think had air bubbles in it for him to breath and still show his face.
I mean, hellboys a better movie
Also My Gym Partner's a Monkey had a shark with a similar setup so he could walk around. When a Cartoon Network show from the mid 2000s put more thought into how an aquatic creature would run around on land than your multimillion dollar film, you know you fucked up.
Since the big baddie of the first Black Panther movie was the Killmonger shouldn't this one be called the Fishmonger?
Killmonger vs Fuckmonger vs Marrymonger
Valentina revealed at the end that she had been listening to all of Ross’s correspondence with the Wakandans. Which means she heard it when Ramunda told Ross there is a third nation involved that she can’t tell him about. Which means the US government KNOWS that Wakanda is protecting their attackers. Ms. Marvel and even She-Hulk had this same problem where the writers give characters access to information but then forget about it. When did they get so bad at tying up loose ends?
Every nation on the planet should have declared war on Wakanda at this point.
If we're going to respect old MCU lore:
In Fury's map in Avengers Age of Ultron there's a marker in the Atlantic Ocean.
So they know it exists. Their extent of contact is unknown.
@@Shockguey Just went and did a little searching. The map was Iron Man 2, unless they happened to do another in Avengers 2. It had quite a few markers actually it seems for a few prior movies, some current, as well as several upcoming projects. It had marks for Manhattan though it isn't clear if this relates to The Incredible Hulk or the Iron Man 2 Whiplash battle. Markers for both the crash site of Captain America as well as the town Red Skull found the Tesseract. A marker for both Atlantis and Wakanda, despite BP being nearly a decade out and the rights to Atlantis/Namor being contested when it came to distribution as Universal still held that. So Namor wasn't even remotely certain to be put into the movie rotation. A marker for the anomalies in New Mexico caused by Thor's arrival via the bifrost during the timeframe of Iron Man 2. And lastly a marker for Tony's house in Malibu.
Living underwater would definitely make you incredibly ripped and make you even stronger on land. Think Sea King from OPM or Fishmen from One Piece. It makes sense, considering the fact that when you're submerged in water, every move you make is met with a lot of resistance, not even counting underwater pressure. You don't even need to lift weights, every move, especially if you're trying to move fast, underwater would require a lot of energy and strength.
There's a reason why swimming is considered one of the best exercises.
Then they all die from the bends after centuries of acclimating to the pressure of the deep sea.
Swimming is definitely a great exercise and can imagine that living underwater would probably make someone very muscular. However the muscles needed to move efficiently through water might not be very efficient to walk on land. Penguins for example are very skilled swimmers, but are extremely clumsy on land.
@@itbesilly4544 We could assume that they don't live only on the bottom, but swim freely to the surface when they wish, experiencing different levels of water pressure.
@@jhyphenh4597 Haven't thought of that. They should be actually useless on land. Not just in a fight, but in general. Even their ability to pick something heavy up should be non-existent.
My favorite part is when Namor hates the Spanish because slavery, but they are Mayans, you know a people that participated in the slave trade, so in my head canon he was just mad that they took over the business
I have talked to 5-6 friends and all of them said they loved Wakanda Forever and argue that it was really good. Everyone I have asked in person loved it. I haven't heard a single complaint. It is so bewildering. I hated this movie and I didn't think it was good at all. I explained every issue I had to them and all I got in return was "I disagree". People's standards of movies are so low that I feel like no one even understands what a good movie is anymore.
Recently met the first person I've ever seen in person who is actually watching LotR:RoP, dude said he liked it and when I pointed out some super basic storytelling issues he just went "I guess if you're one of those people who's super nitpicky about the lore...".
People have just stopped caring about good writing/quality as long as there's *moar* of a popular thing...
"i disagree"
*ANGER*
I didn't hate WF, parts of it I even got invested. But even then it's a 3/10.
As a society we should reserve the right to like something while also accepting that it's shit. There's no shame in something being YOUR shit.
It's when people conflate the two that violence becomes necessary.
People tell me you're thinking about it too much, it's just entertainment... was the same for Star Wars.
I don't think it's just the standard for movies, I think most people are not that into certain topics, so they don't know how good or bad said thing can be, nor what things make it that way.
It's the same case as singing or playing guitar, there are lots of relatively easy things to do with a guitar, but if you don't know even the basics then you will find yourself flabbergasted by that alone.
This is not a "bad" thing for me, but it is frustrating!
I've noticed lately I'm having great difficulty to follow the summary of an MCU story. It's not because of the panel, these stories have gotten so nonsensical that you can exchange a scene from Wandavision with one from Wakanda Forever and I wouldn't even notice.
I’m not even going to bother with anything MCU related going forward. I’ll see GotG 3 because I’m a fan of James Gunn’s work, and maybe Quantumania, but I’m done with this dumpster fire after seeing how MoM and Thor 4 were colossally fucked up.
That would be a curious fun: Wait a few years, split each phase 4 movie plot into segments and mix those segments into stories and see how long it takes for people to notice something wrong... or if they do at all.
@@Wyzai Maybe in a few years we can use those segments to make 1 good phase 4 movie that makes some sense.
I think I understand exactly what you mean. I never watch this garbage and I listen to this while I fall asleep, and I could put almost any EFAP discussing a movie on and they’d sound like other EFAPs where the stories they review have exactly the same issues.
"the wings are comic accurate"
Ok... but you didn't need to make them _flap_ like that. They don't move in the comic, and it doesn't translate very well from sequential pictures to moving picture.
Just give him static unmovable wings, or tattooed/painted/embroidered on his ankle/anklets, like on Cap's MCU helmet.
Now I imagine the Wings on Caps Helmet flapping too. 😄
He technically got a magical Potions that makes him super strong already, so now he just needs to develop a taste for roasted Boar and Captain America would be a worthy successir of Asterix the Gaul.
@@johannesseyfried7933 though he could never match obelixes sheer girth.
This was my thought as well. Definitely give him the ankle wings but don’t make them flap. Or if you must make them move, I think a slow deliberate flap could have maybe worked. (Think like Angel from the X-men) It might still look silly, but I promise it would be nowhere near as ridiculous and distracting as the hummingbird shit he has going on in the movie.
I think it's very telling that my reaction to seeing this on my feed was 'wait that's out?'
Seriously I saw absolutely no fanfare around this film's release
The worlds first black movie everyone.
That's because all the black podcasts are talking about Kanye and Kyrie.
becuz its basically being seen as a film funeral for chadwick boseman since he didn't get to star in it which is why people are seeing it, pass that no one cares about what comes next
I’m guessing you’re not black
Yeah, probably because you haven't gone near anything like it? That's why people tend to be out of the loop on stuff.
So I guess we're supposed to accept that Riri isn't going to face any repercussions for killing those cops?
"They're just cops, which means they're bastards, fuck em"
-Marvel, 2022
@@RobertMorgan But Fred was two days from retirement, he was planning on moving closer to his grandkids
@@KelShu well i guess he got closer to his grandparents instead!
sorry)
Yup…because Marvels Morality rate just went out the window after Black Widow…so why try again now I guess…
@@ArcticWolf00Alpha0 morality or mortality... same difference.
@57:54 So Rags brings up how the Wakandans can be technologically advanced in the first place and it reminded me of the Star Trek episode "The Masterpiece Society." Basically, a colony of genetically engineered geniuses are about to be killed by debris from a neutron star. Long story short, they figure out how to move the fragment out of the way based on La Forge's VISOR. Geordi makes the point that this technology does not exist in the Masterpiece society because if they had their way, he would have been aborted due to his blindness. After all, "Necessity is the mother of invention, after all."
So, let's look at the Wakandans, an insular people that have no desire to interact with the outside world and use Vibranium for everything. They have planes because of magic vibranium, but do they understand aerodynamics? They have vibranium medicine, but do they understand microbiology? Why bother inventing the microscope if the cure for every ailment is vibranium pills? If Wakanda was treated as a serious part of the MCU, they'd be where Edo Japan was at, where their culture and technology stagnated while the rest of the world innovated. Wakanda might have the tech advantage for now, but that might not be true a hundred years from now with mass-produced arc reactor planes, tanks, and artillery. As we saw in Infinity War, their energy shield couldn't even hold up to a Zerg rush and Wakandan battle tactics have not evolved past--at most--Shaka Zulu's formation. In fact, their tactical understanding is worse than that given how T'Challa was dumb enough to get into melee range of a Zerg rush. How would Wakanda hold up to a US-led coalition of the willing bombing their shield every day for a year?
So, I think all the talk of Wakandan superiority is just that. They know that if they got into a serious war, they'd be on the losing end of siege, so they send their special forces out to intimidate other nations while using their cloak to stay hidden and avoid showing the world just how advanced they are. They're probably like the Dahomey tribe, selling off other, lesser Africans to the colonizers seeing as how Killmonger's mother was a slave. It's not like Wakanda cared about other Africans, after all.
"They have vibranium medicine, but do they understand microbiology?"
LMAO this is exactly why T'challa dies.
One contention, i dont think they know how hard theyd get curbstomped by any semi modern army.
@@Shockguey your basis is bad because the Wakandans aren’t genetically engineered super geniuses. They don’t abort people due to defects or weed out sicknesses before they happen. Your example is terrible specifically BECAUSE wakanda isn’t anything like that.
The Jabari are literally an entire part of Wakanda that stick closer to traditional means compared to the rest of the country. They are not a homogeneous society like the Star Trek example.
One thing I always mention is how T'challa's father dies. He isn't shot down in a battle or bested by some supervillain like most people default to when discussing how a superhero might die -he's assassinated via bomb. The thought that energy shields and vibranium armor is enough to stand up to *any* standing army of the modern day is laughable as is, but it is just as easy to imagine Shuri being shot or poisoned and dropping dead seemingly randomly because some enemy nation wanted them gone and the Wakandans are just too dumb to realize this threat. Shuri is easily the most important person the Wakadans have, yet she's on the frontlines of basically every major conflict the Wakandans have??
Just fucking shoot her with some pillaged Endgame or Stark tech, she's gone.
I find it funny that they feel the need to find a new black panther, when for 5 years he was dead during the blip and they didn't care
they changed literally everything else about Namor but they kept the silly looking wings on his feet
One minute it’s,
“Not everything has to be comic accurate” like when I pointed out how trash Moon Knight was.. and then it’s “Its comic accurate” and praising comic accuracy when it does occur.
No they didn't.
Not me thinking those were flapping fishes tied to his feet...omg
@Tanuki Joshua Graham Mayan, not Indian.
Probably they changed the atlantean origin to avoid people comparing him with Aquaman.
@Tanuki Joshua Graham I know what "Indian" you were refering to. Indian =/= Mayan just because both cultures wear headgear with feathers.
I'm glad they liked M'Baku in this movie. He was the only character that held my attention the entire time he was on-screen! :)
Extremely based how they just had him act like an ape in that one scene, with no concern.
Remember at the end of one of the iron man movies when there was a map, showing shield knows not only about Wakanda. But also a mysterious place marked in the middle of the sea? THEY ALREADY KNOW ATLANTIS IS THERE. By that logic HYDRA knew where Atlantis was.
I miss playing splitscreen games. And it's kinda strange because our screens are so much bigger than they used to be. Back in the day, a normal living tv was like 24". Now, it's not uncommon to have a screen that 50"+.
Did no one else think Ironheart's suit looked like a thinner Baymax with cornrows?
😸, I wouldn't be surprised about them using Baymax as a template for that.
Thing is, the "cornrows" is actually a good part of design if it were done in isolation. It's called FLUTING. Shadiversity has talked about it in the development of armor and meant to guide away incoming blows.
However it seems like it was just used as a direct reference to cornrows.
It looked like she couldn't move her legs
So, I guess the U.S. could just send a team of Navy SEALs to infiltrate Wakanda from the water to get some vibranium?
I'm with Rags my American ears heard Muriel too, though my brain went to Courage the Cowardly Dog
Muriel on the stand dropping raw lines about the dignity of her house and how the filthy outsiders are no longer welcome, before Eustace chucks in a mercenary shouting "Stupid thief!"
The "Midnight Angel" armor looks like Predators because Shuri modeled them on an old Wakandan legend about mysterious beings that came at night and hunted their most powerful hunters. They supposedly looked somewhat like that.
Predators in MCU Phase 5 confirmed!
the funny thing about the blaster spear aiming, it's kinda how the early handcannons were like, just spears with a mini cannon at the end that you eyeball, and from that it evolved into the matchlock. i guess wakanda never figured out that part.
I mean they never really needed to, by cutting themselves off from the world they were never pushed to advance their weaponry to protect themselves from outside threats, thus weakening the "strongest" nation, and it was proven when they LOST to another nation who used exclusively (non-laser) spears, even when they had x3 Iron Men armors (all of which were made of Vibranium). It was literally a loss of hundreds of Wakandans VS a loss of two whole not-Atlantians
Wakandans 360° no-scope their way through life.
26:11 unironically that was me. The eating Nacho Chips part, not the mourning part.
P.S. Movie Theater Nachos > Popcorn
"Anikka?"
**black teenagers laugh**
Fun times.
I think it would've been better if they did either:
1. T'chala died in battle like JLB said. There's dignity in that and it can have a second meaning.
2. Recast the actor and maybe have a "In loving memory of Chadwick" or something like that in the beginning or the end of the movie.
@@nmr7203 the main reason in this case I think is that it would've really highlighted that black panther had absolutely no role to play in this entire movie. Right now they could pretend they "rewrote it" but the reality is that all the scenes were already filmed and all the cgi that takes many months to do was finished as well. Neither of these things can just be redone in a jiffy after a quick rewrite.
Right? If it is possible to puppeteer dead Carrie Fisher for half a movie, full cgi panther suit and few AI fed lines before fight should be easy.
Same with Leia. Either recast her with someone who looks plausibly similar like Glenn Close, or have something like a tasteful funeral scene at the beginning of RoS. The CGI-puppet Leia was the worst of both worlds.
'He got mortally wounded during the Endgame fight, but stayed alive a long time because of his powers. He kept fighting his injures to stay alive long enough to insure that Wakanda shared their resources and technology with the world.' - There, I fixed it.
He flies in a ship towards Galactus. You don't need to animate the fucking suit, just a speck flying towards Galactus. "You have no hope of winning. Your loss is assured. What are your final words mortal?" BOOM opening title.
As a native spanish speaker, it bothers me how "Namor" makes no sense whatsoever.
His name should be something like "They called me el pendejo de mierda"
Fun fact about the water grenades: Water is almost completely incompressible.
One can only agree with jlb and metal - the movie is so unnecessary and so empty, it does look like grief monetization. Which sucks.
Even leaving all the plotholes and bad motivations aside - two made up groups fight against each other because of an empty threat in a world full of supes. And there is a cuckold bilbo, too.
what the fuck.
1:29:15 "You could've killed Okoye if he fucks up the beat!"
5:07:10 "Plunge into white."
Sentences I never expected to hear. 😂
During the Namor Shuri fight, when namor is trying to walk to the water and Shuri gets off the spear, she runs at namor and he just ducks and shuri flies over him. It was the funniest thing in the whole movie, it looked like a 3 stooges skit.
It would have been so easy to film an opening scene of T'Challa, in the suit (cg or otherwise), courageously being struck down in battle. They could have tied that into Namor, perhaps he was involved or even responsible for it, that would build him up as a formidable opponent and give Shuri a greater cause for vengeance. They absolutely could have used previous footage combined with cg to give us one last moment with T'Challa when he removes his helmet right before perishing. I feel like that would have been really powerful. And I understand that it could feel disrespectful to Chadwick Boseman in some regards, witnessing his death on screen, but I believe that it would have been way more respectful to the character and the audience.
The way this movie 'honors' Chadwick Boseman's struggle with cancer really rubs me the wrong way.
First of all, killing off the character he dedicated much of the latter years of his life to portraying is about as close to honoring Boseman as smashing your grandmother's beloved sewing machine with a sledgehammer is honoring her. It's a disgusting inversion of the very idea of celebrating a life well lived.
Then, to make it worse, they also destroy the very point of the character's ending actions in the previous movie just to have the same damn conflict again later. He brought Wakanda out of its isolationism to slowly make it into a shining beacon for the world. In the same way some people look up to the wealth and prosperity of the Western World, Wakanda could become that same kind of lofty example for the entire planet which will then carry the rest of the world to that same level. The very conflict of "You can't have anything of ours especially not that metal causing massive technological advancement allowing such amazing things as curing cancer" appearing again destroys the legacy of T'challa. It annoys me greatly to put it lightly especially when we consider that cancer is the thing that killed T'challa's real life actor. Quite literally, Marvel's movie writers, to honor this man who tragically died of cancer, retconed the plot point where the character he played helped the rest of the world to cure cancer.
"He brought Wakanda out of its isolationism to slowly make it into a shining beacon for the world."
You're looking at it from a technological standpoint, not a military one. Vibranium as a resource puts a target on Wakanda's back. Wakanda isn't a major world superpower like China/US/UK/France/Russia is on the board. They hold no veto power and barely any allies.
The "Destabilization" line in the movie was one of the most poignant things it did.
@@Shockguey The technological standpoint is the same as the millitary one. Wakanda has all the power. They are the world power not directly ruling everything only because they choose not to and remain in isolation. Wakanda is a country from 2200 dealing with a weak easily conquered world from the 2000s. Regardless, this theoretical target is only on their back by not working with the rest of the world. The whole argument is invalidated as soon as they become a willing trade partner with and science class teacher for the rest of the free market world.
@@Alex_Fahey "Wakanda has all the power"
What do you even think power is? NO THEY DON'T, no matter how boastful they want to be, they barely have any power. They aren't dictating policy on the international level.
Go ahead and tell me that North Korea, with its' nuclear capabilities and mountain of precious metals is a goddamn SUPERPOWER.
@@Shockguey
The fact remains, Wakanda withholding Vibranium tech from the world out of suspicion that they'll misuse it is MASSIVELY hypocritical given that, in the first film, they nearly went to war with the entire world because Killmonger became king and wanted them to, with nobody willing to tell him no or stop him until T'challa came back.
Wakanda already has far more potential for misusing Vibranium tech than anyone else does considering that they elect their leader in a barbaric combat to the death, despite their supposed 'enlightenment', and they're apparently not willing to go against this leader in any way even if they're dragging the nation into a fight they can't realistically win, unless someone else invokes the trial by combat.
There's also that time in FATWS where several Dora Milaje nearly killed John Walker and Lamar several times while trying to apprehend Zemo with their shiny, top tier Vibranium spears for absolutely no reason, while spouting genuinely fascistic lines about having authority wherever they go, flagrantly flouting international law and being willing to kill US military officers with their Vibranium weapons when it suits them. The only reason Walker, Captain America at the time, didn't die when one of them tried to stab him? That nice VIBRANIUM shield of his that blocked the spear.
Them trying to hoard Vibranium tech out of distrust for other countries is incredibly hypocritical given what they're shown to be willing to do with it. After what they did in FATWS, I'd argue that other countries are fully within their right to weaponize Vibranium for themselves just to protect their citizens and military officers in case the Dora Milaje try and kill them for no reason, like they tried to do to Walker and Lamar in FATWS.
Plus, you know....realistically, there's no advantage Vibranium tech can give in Earth-based war that pre-existing technology, like fleets of aircraft, flotillas of ships and arsenals of NUCLEAR WEAPONS, can't already offer. They're essentially just hoarding all their technological advantages from the rest of the world.
@@Shockguey They are refered to as the mightiest international superpower in the world in this movie?
3:42:07 The losing team didn’t die from playing that game. The captain of the winning team would be sacrificed to K’uk’ulkan by the captain of the losing team, which was the highest honor, and both teams used armor, shields, and spears to defend the ball. You pretty much wanted to be the captain and play to win so that you could achieve the highest honor. They believed that the blood from your sacrifice would go back to Mother Nature and she would use that blood to spring forth new life.
Now that this movie is out, can we finally admit as a society that Phase 4 has been massive disappointment and is 90% shit?
I was gonna say, 90% is a little low.
EDIT: Since it's been bothering me, let's do the math:
(93.4%). So yeah, closer to 95.
Black Widow: Bad
Shang Chi: Bad
Eternals: Bad
No Way Home: Good
Doctor Strange MoM: Bad
Thor Love and Thunder: Bad
Black Panther WF: Bad
WandaVision: Bad
Falcon and the Winter Soldier: Bad
Loki: Bad
Marvel What If: Bad
Hawkeye: Bad
Moon Knight: Bad
Ms Marvel: Bad
She Hulk: Bad
I keep wanting to throw in Obi Wan and Boba Fett, but this isn't a review of Disney Plus. Had they not cut Phase 4 short, this would have looked even worse on a spreadsheet.
@@thuglifebear5256 90% mental diarrhoea, 5% delusional belief, 70% The Message.
It is more than 100%, because it reflects the mathematical skills they possess. Disney needs to stop its constant drink binges. It isn't healthy.
The only Phase 4 projects I’ve actually liked are Shang-Chi and No Way Home, and even then they’re just okay.
Even the "good" movies in phase 4 come with an asterisk.
More like 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999991%
Well you can do the "honor culture" while not making them actually honorable. Star Trek does this beautifully with the Klingons. They talk up honor as this ultimate ideal but very few of them actually live up to it, and the shows call this out. The typical hypocrisy of the Klingon honor code is what makes them one of the most interesting alien races in the franchise, especially when juxtaposed against characters like Worf who suffers terribly for actually taking it seriously and living up to his culture's stated ideals. He represents everything his people are supposed to be, but ends up shit on by those who merely pay it lip service.
Did I misunderstand the Riri situation? I was under the impression that the government was using her invention without her knowledge, because when Shuri and Okoye tell her about the situation, Riri acts like she knew nothing about it. This put me under the impression that the CIA somehow learned about and took her invention without her knowledge. But it was never explained further, so it’s hard to tell what the movie was trying to say was happening.
"This put me under the impression that the CIA somehow learned about and took her invention without her knowledge."
Honestly that sounds about right.
It does beg the question, whats the actual point of a Vibranium detector if you aren't gonna sell it to someone? Are you planning on always praying in the direction of Wakanda or something? What is the actual purpose of it if not for prospecting?
@@Shockguey ehh, the cia would either throw money at her for it or kidnap and exloit.
@@dodojesus4529 They were probably testing it first. Then talk to MIT about fast tracking her to a job at Sikorsky or Ratheon.
@@Shockguey at the stage of deployment(opening scene) those talks should be over.
So are we all in agreement at this point everyone like T'challa, Tony, Natasha, and Steve are just watching the entirety of phase 4 happen up in MCU afterlife just really pissed that after everything they did, THIS is what the world they fought for has become? They are all rolling in their graves right now.
He calls everyone who isn’t blue colonizers
He’s not blue
Lol the parallels are paralleling 😂
The wing feet are comic accurate but in the comics u never see them flapping like hes riding two pigeons. If he just flew like superman and they didnt flap it wud have been MUCH less stupid
The closest to a real-life Wakanda was the Empire of Mali.
They had almost a monopoly on gold, and then some king spent it all.
Mali was promptly lost to history. *Thanks, Mansa Musa!*
Wasn't he the same king who was so rich, he gave out free gold to anyone he bumped into to and from his Hajj and subsequently crashed the economies of each country he passed through?
@@Lobsterwithinternet Yup. And that was pretty much all the nation's gold...
Can we talk about how stupid it is that Namor was born just a couple hundred years ago, and yet claims he is "Kukulkan," an Aztec god that has been around for thousands of years?
1:26:44
Mauler: What have you done?
Namor/Atlantis: Avè Mariiiiaaaa!
Mauler: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!
My people call me A-CooCoo-Clock. But my enemies call me "That asshole over there."
I love that JLB uses "niggadry" like Uncle Ruckus in the exorcism episode. Funny shit.
"Hold on to your buttseats!" -Metal 2022
God of War 3 gave Hermes metallic shoes with metallic wings as a way to not make his ankle wings goofy and make it more of this advanced magic item that Kratos uses. Namor having actual wings growing out of his ankles just looks stupid, like you could just say "these boots were an old asgardian artifact we got and because it came from literal gods we gave them to our leader"
Also, New Asgard, A FUCKING SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENT is working alongside other governments and they have LITERAL GOD MAGIC. Wakanda has really good metal, like imagine if the movie made New Asgard another party that also wants the metal, what the hell would wakanda do?
The wing shoe thing you're talking about has always been winged shoes they have never been his ankles
@@liongus I haven't seen Love/Thunder, what god magic do they have that's useful to the world?
@@Shockguey Tourism and merchandise
@@Shockguey the ability to dispense thor powers to a seemingly limitless amount of people.
Thor love and thunder is kinda shit
"Most powerful nation on earth", they really insist with that one, through the entire movie, non-stop.
Well, the "most powerful nation on earth" lost their capital after an attack of less than 30 fish people (being generous there, pretty sure there was 15 of them top) and left their queen totally unprotected during said attack. "Most powerful nation on earth" ? Yeah sure.
PS: Important: For your information, the Dora Milaje are directly inspired by the Dahomey people. Yes, the slaver kingdom which the whole of Africa feared at the height of the slave trade and one of the biggest offenders in this trade (the Agojie, all female enforcers were absolute monsters). So there, nice bit of information.
Their neighbours using tanks and planes from the 60's would crush them with zero contest.
Melee weapons vs. Machine guns isnt a good matchup
"Because you said I can't" is such garbage motivation for a character. It was the same thing in Prey, it just doesn't work to get you invested in the character. It also just shouldn't be so plainly stated by the character, either.
I mean, it _can_ work (I've had that motivation, myself) but they're doing it wrong. You have to build it up over time; make it a drive to prove whoever it was wrong.
And yeah, you don't just blatantly say it like that. That's cringe.
@@TaoScribble it's just not enough to carry a plot or to overcome extraneous factors that would sensibly discourage it for me. Going back to Prey, Naru wants to be a hunter because "they" say she can't. But, as a healer, she already has a position of status and practical importance among her people so her motivation just comes off as childish. I could see it as a starting point, I suppose, but it should develop into a more personal and therefore powerful motivation.
I think it’s a tough balancing act because “I’m doing this because someone said I can’t” should never be used as a primary motivator. The character should genuinely have a goal that they care about and if someone tells them they aren’t capable of achieving said goal, that should only serve to strengthen their resolve, not become their driving force as a whole. It needs to begin as something that the character actually wants for it to feel relatable, because in real life, the people who pursue things only because others doubted them are oftentimes hugely insecure and petty.
46:12 this is why I truly value written wills at my current age. It is unnecessary to guess what a person might want, and not want, done in his name in case he/she dies or unable to speak for himself/herself. It also stops people from abusing that person’s legacy and asset afterwards.
So did Shuri and Ta’Challa’s mom fight all the other tribes to become Queen? Cause Ta’challa had to, even though he was the son of the king. Annnd clearly they expected Shuri to do it at the end of the movie.
You know, I was so fucking floored by the sheer coincidence of Riri shooting the drone in just such a way that it crashed directly into the police barricade that. I barely had the time to process how she fucking killed at peast three cops.
2:29:00 "Of course we're rooting for the protagonists."
This is something that I recognized pretty early on in Phase 4 and it's only continued and been reinforced. But it's what I found the most objectionable about TFATWS and what made me actually mad at that show, rather than just disappointed.
The new caretakers of the MCU are almost all morally bankrupt, but also extremely manipulative of their audience. There was a bit of this in WandaVision, mainly with gaslighting with how sympathetically Wanda should be taken, but it was turned way up for TFATWS. Everything in that show is backwards and it's hard for me to even tell if it's on purpose or through extreme incompetence and lack of self-awareness. It's constant throughout that show, though. What the story and characters are actually telling us is in direct opposition to what the music, camera angles, lighting, and apparent themes are telling us. It's EXTREMELY manipulative of its audience. One of the biggest indicators early on was how John Walker was introduced. Everything about the presentation screamed "Don't like this guy!!!" but what we were told in-universe is that he's a totally stand-up dude and worthy of the title - and that's never contradicted in-universe, except in dialogue from mainly our protagonists.
This trend has continued throughout Phase 4, with the best examples probably remaining TFATWS and then She-Hulk. But, it's been throughout MOST projects. And, it typically works. The majority of audiences don't see the manipulation. They just accept what they're told to think. This is pretty distinctly different from what the previous three phases did, presenting actual heroes, but not hiding their flaws.
I hate it.
A big insult to the audience’s intelligence and to make it worse, the audience is totally on board to get their intelligence insulted.
Yes. 100% agreed
There's a term for this: Protagonist Centered Morality. You don't have to make your heroes good people, just browbeat your audience into accepting them as the hero and sabotage any characters that the audience actually liked through character assassination.
Alright, fun-fact time. The Blue Fugates were a family in the Appalachians, specifically Kentucky, that developed an abnormal condition that caused their skin to be blue due to the lack of oxygen in their blood. They got that way due to inbreeding.
So basically they turned Namor's kingdom into an underwater Alabama Meme.
The lost city of Atlanta!
"This is a fun fact..."
-Aragorn
@@Kernwadi "Facts that are fun are often unfun until they are facts, in which case they become fun and fact."
-Billboard Bulgaria
@@Liberty_or_Ded
"Yes."
-Barack Obama
My wife and I actually have been talking about Australian inspired pokemon on and off for the last few years. What we had decided on was platypus for the water starter, bilby for fire, and kiwi for grass. The box legendary would be based off the rainbow snake.
In the interests of diversity and inclusion they should have recast Ryan Reynolds as Black Panther.
There's has to be at least ONE descendant of throne out there that's a white guy.
You telling me not ONCE in hundreds of years was there not a single Black Panther that fathered a foreign bastard?
Id prefer Justin Trudeau. We already know it's acceptable for him to wear Blackface.
@@JohnCenaWarriorPrincess TRUE
Ryan gosling tho
Diversity is really just less white people. Wankanda is a black power fantasy.
The funny thing is that even in their wildest dreams where they wuz kangz the white man still abolished slavery and did more for the world than they ever could.
It has not even been that long since EFAP was feeling optimistic about Wandavision after a couple episodes. How far marvel has fallen
It's almost the same regression of happiness as MauLer's playthrough of Scorn. Just in a smaller time frame.
Well, I mean that was nearly two years ago, doesn’t feel like it though.
Wandavision started out, dare I say, smart? It's like the writers and the entire studio lost all braincells right the beginning of phase 4
Oh FUCK, that's right. If Shuri HAD succeeded and gave BP another Herb dose, it would have stripped him of the Flower Power.
I had no desire to pay to watch this movie so I was waiting for the efap breakdown.
The marvel cinematic universe never cared *that* much about having a consistent universe, but phase 4 represents a new commitment to not giving a fack
3:39:10 I've said it multiple times... during the "snap" there should have been two connected movies, one for Black Widow that focuses on her coming out of the shadows and shedding her past to create a new public persona trying to keep the world together, and the other for Hawkeye... as he slowly becomes Ronin due to watching humanity failing at being decent...
I also wanted this Black Panther movie to have been during the snap. Half his people seemed to have had no affect on Namor.
Fringy was off with his "it'll make more than a billion" :D :D :D
3:24:25 dinosaur walks up to Dr. Grant and, hits its arms to together and roars, "I'm an idea".
Am I the only one who thinks that suit design belongs in a live-action Medabots reboot?
4:40:58 Let's have a good look at it again for good measure xD
More like samurai pizza cats.
When I first saw it, I legit thought it was part of an ad for a new Transformers animated series live-action movie.
It straight up looks like one of the smaller "female" transformers.
@@bigwetsalmon1 Aren't they the most feared Anime Organization known to Man?!
Marik: "That would be the Rare Hunters, thank you very much."
@@sparkypack hahahaha it's like DC's Blue Beetle ate a Red Power Ranger aahahahahah
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Every time they reference Whips and Chains I never see it coming and it's so great.
I was diagnosed with lung cancer a few months ago and started cooking meth in order to pay for my treatment and provide for my family. An opportunity arose for me to sell my product to a major distributor. On my way to the drug deal, my pregnant wife informed me that she was in labor. Instead of going to the hospital, I dropped of the meth and missed the birth of my daughter. The deal earned me millions of dollars that will go directly to my family's future. I am feeling very conflicted about my decision.
Am I the asshole?
Did you watch your protege’s gf overdosed to death on her bed or did you poisoned a boy to get your protege back to your side?
@@nont18411 Yes.
No you're not an asshole. I hope you manage to become the greatest drug lord of all time and will definitely not lose your family and life
@@gilgameshkingofheroes5903 Dankeschön.
@@Kernwadi
Nichts zu danken mein Freund
Can't fucking BELIEVE they worked in the bit where Riri badgered her teacher into pretending to be racist. And yet, at the same time, I can.
Also can we stop giving them Devil Fruits? It's the same exact outcome every single time because losing the ability to swim just isn't an issue for people who don't spend 90% of their lives on the seas.
Yeah, that downside is something youd take even in the OP universe while being sorounded by water.
The propaganda is strong. Poor Riri was underestimated by a racist teacher. Don't mention how she has a victim complex and the teacher was actually very supportive
@@inquisitionagent9052 the teacher says "you cant be tony stark" its so far beyond idiotic.
@@inquisitionagent9052I don't remember if it happened this way in the MCU, but this was how it went down in her comic book origin story:
Riri asked her teacher to put her down, based on her race, in order to motivate her via spite to become someone noteworthy. She explicitly stated she was inspired by famous black women who were told similar things, only for her teacher to tell her that things don't have to be that way anymore. Riri then pesters her into saying *something* objectionable, so she finally agrees to say, "You will never be Tony Stark."
It was *reprehensible* and made me hate Riri Williams *instantly.*
Metal and Jlongbone just slaying it. I cackled.
2:06:39 Remember in Iron Man 2 when Tony was showing how world governments couldn't replicate his tech and then told them only he gets to keep it? Guess Happy and Pepper aren't flying over to MIT with a bunch of lawyers to file cease and desists on Ri-Ri? I hope they go with Daredevil and not She-Hulk tho...
Yeah, that Arc Reactor would be a HUGE no-no, especially considering the first Ironman set the technology up to be an important part of Stark Industries' plan to move away from weapons development. Riri would have Stark lawyers breathing down her neck just waiting for a misstep
No one:
Not a single country:
Wakanda: 🦏🥛
Ta Lo: 🐉🥛
Not Atlantis: 🐟🥛
Wakandans drink Rhino Milk like Muscle Milk
America: FREEDOM 🥛
@@scottski02 🦅🥛
Wait talo??
The hidden city in Shang Chi
46:00 Probably adding a "dedicated to X" at the start of the credits, like a lot of films do, would be the most clean way of doing it. You wouldn't have issues with setting the right tone.
This conversation was lacking Jay. Would have made a great ending to the Rhinomilk arc.
It would have been replaced with the killer whale milk arc.
🦏🥛🦏🥛🦏🥛🦏🥛🦏🥛🦏🥛🦏🥛
What jarred me with the T'Challa funeral scene was with the first trailer it made it seem as if the entire nation was in a mournful state that American audiences are much more familiar with while what was in the movie was much more like what you'd get with a New Orleans. It was the sudden switch that got me.
The fuck are you talking about? They showed the funeral dancing in the very first trailer, specifically because that’s how it’s more done in Africa.
@@ramjet94 The fucvk that I'm talking about is the music playing in the trailer was very somber. I hope you now understand the fuck I'm talking about.
Hi there! So I just kinda wanna touch on that part as someone who grew up in this kind of culture. In many part of East and South Africa, funeral customs are seen as a celebration of a person's life. Yes we mourn our loved ones, but we celebrate their life. It's why you see everyone dressed in white as opposed to the traditional black mourning clothes in the western countries.
"Just put the game on a big USB and plug that in to the thing."
You wouldn't even have to call it a USB, it could be something catchy, like a, say... cartridge.
☝🏻 100 times, yes. Back to the classic formula I say.
Imagine if America refused to share the internet with the rest of the world. It's actually very neat that the internet is a thing that virtually anyone can _just get._
Modern superhero movies seem to be in a constant race to who can rack up the highest body count
26:10 "People were clearly mourning with their nacho chips, crunching in the background anyway" 💀💀
When you make anything at University. It becomes the property of that University. So for the writers to pretend it's ReeRee's is another stupid oversight.
In regards to the water in the mask. I think more apt comparison would be pulling a plastic bag over your head and then going diving for a few hours. 😁
3:49:12 It's SOOOOO big Fringy that it has a river that runs in reverse up TO the mountains... remember in the first movie when T'Challa was tossed off the cliff and the Gorilla tribe managed to find him floating down their river in their snow-covered mountain lands?
The Dora Milajay or however it’s spelled are kind of busted. They’re assholes but they’re also extremely powerful and skilled in combat to the point where they match or come close to super humans like Bucky barns, the telochans, killmonger, etc. while being regular people. On top of all that they have little to no character besides seriousness, loyalty, and baldness. These husks of characters who are only good for combat and the occasional lazy fish out of water joke now have super vibranium suits. So now they’re even more busted than before and are now essentially unstoppable on the battlefield unless they fight an opponent who is using vibranium or someone like Thanos. So Wakanda is pretty safe from all threats now because they can just make iron man suits now with little to no difficulty. Fucking perfect
Another great EFAP in the bag. Goodbye Wakanda Forever. See you never.