The first "German" folksong used by Beethoven here is actually an Austrian folksong. Beethoven sends it to his editor Simrock together with another one with this remark: "I add here two Austrian folk-songs in exchange; you can do whatever you like with them, the accompaniment is my own. I think a hunt after folk-songs is better than a hunt after men of the so praised heroes."(Letter dated 18th March 1820)
Sorry Sir Andras! Antonie Brentano is NOT the Immortal Beloved! This myth initiated by Maynard Solomon has been debunked by many authors, the most important of them being Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach in her masterful book on the subject.: Beethoven und seine "Unsterbliche Geliebte" Josephine Brunsvik(1983 Atlantis Musikbuch-Verlag AG Zürich). Unfortunately, this book was not available to English readers before 2014, when John E. Klapproth made the English translation available...
Yes. This problem has not been solved yet and one of the better candidate to the title is Joséphine Von Brunsvik. So many elements are in her favor : location at the time in 1812, separted from her husband, lots of love letters between them, known each other for a very long time. But even with those clues we cannot conclude that it's really her. But certainly not Antonie Brentano.... (Book source : Beethoven by Brigitte and Jean MASSIN)
@@myklkay Allow me to disagree with you! Marie Elisabeth Tellenbach has put the problem to rest for good in her book of 1983. Unfortunately, it was only translated to English in 2014, by John E. Klapproth. Klapprpth also wrote two books on the subject, and I recommend that you read the second one: The Immortal Beloved Compendium. It will convince you that the only candidate for the Immortal Beloved cannot be other than Josephine.
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The first "German" folksong used by Beethoven here is actually an Austrian folksong. Beethoven sends it to his editor Simrock together with another one with this remark: "I add here two Austrian folk-songs in exchange; you can do whatever you like with them, the accompaniment is my own. I think a hunt after folk-songs is better than a hunt after men of the so praised heroes."(Letter dated 18th March 1820)
Thank you so much for uploading this. I’ve been listening to it and am almost done with it. It was so profound and educational. Thank you.
Interesting, thank you so much.
So interesting and helpful! Grazie mille
Sorry Sir Andras! Antonie Brentano is NOT the Immortal Beloved! This myth initiated by Maynard Solomon has been debunked by many authors, the most important of them being Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach in her masterful book on the subject.: Beethoven und seine "Unsterbliche Geliebte" Josephine Brunsvik(1983 Atlantis Musikbuch-Verlag AG Zürich). Unfortunately, this book was not available to English readers before 2014, when John E. Klapproth made the English translation available...
Yes.
This problem has not been solved yet and one of the better candidate to the title is Joséphine Von Brunsvik.
So many elements are in her favor : location at the time in 1812, separted from her husband, lots of love letters between them, known each other for a very long time.
But even with those clues we cannot conclude that it's really her.
But certainly not Antonie Brentano....
(Book source : Beethoven by Brigitte and Jean MASSIN)
@@myklkay Allow me to disagree with you! Marie Elisabeth Tellenbach has put the problem to rest for good in her book of 1983. Unfortunately, it was only translated to English in 2014, by John E. Klapproth. Klapprpth also wrote two books on the subject, and I recommend that you read the second one: The Immortal Beloved Compendium. It will convince you that the only candidate for the Immortal Beloved cannot be other than Josephine.
Oh I am conviced ! It's just that for my convictions to be true, I need solid evidences. I'll read the books you recommend. Thank you.
So it wasn't his sister-in-law....? I have never investigated this side of Beethoven.
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