Awesome :) This seems like a more decent pace, compared to most interpretations of this. Very manageable to a lot of people determined enough to learn it ^^
@@isaacrandomrussell5630 It isn't. The pianos at Liszt's time were a bit different, the keys were smaller and they weren't that heavy. The pianos nowadays have heavier keys, and the keys can't retract that fast if you're going to play in this tempo. Even if you could play this piece in a fast tempo, you would have a hard time with the pianos nowadays, so technically it's impossible.
@@therealransu I can pretty much (and with more practice, likely more accurately) keep up with the beginning bit, and obviously I’m not the best pianist in the world, so I believe that it’s at LEAST possible, don’t say something isn’t possible just because it’s never been seen before, there’s many times in history when what was thought impossible was proven possible. Edit: unless there’s scientific proof of true impossibility for the piano, in which case I will concede until I find a better piano.
I'm actually using this video to learn it I can't read music lol im just past 1 min and yes it's still impossible to play even at this tempo I'm giving a good go though wish me luck I love this piece the melodies are so nice petrov does the best version so clean and great rubato considering this piece take so much technical skill for him to play it like that is amazing
me after seeing several messages claiming that this etude is "impossible" for the 127593275395th time... and btw it isn't recommendable to learn by synthesia than sheet music instead
@@Liszthesis I can't even read music I learn all my pieces off synthesia I've done 2 transcendental etudes 3 chopin etudes and a load more on my channel yes this etude is not impossible as I'm nearly half way through it but getting it to speed is going to be the challenge as the intervals at around 25 seconds are a complete joke plus the accuracy will take forever to get correct. I love this piece but the stretches are close to impossible for my hands in places.
@@kaii7147 Wow, good luck with that! But if you're going to learn from synthesia, at least try to look at the markings and fingerings in the original sheet music, as they are there to guide you to play it the way Liszt intended. Just knowing what keys to press is just half of learning the music. Some pieces are impossible to learn from synthesia. In Chopin's 4th ballade, if you don't know the fingerings indicated for the coda, you will never play it right. In Mazeppa, 2-4 2-4 fingering is not in synthesia, so you'll never play it the right way if you rely on that. I'm guessing, it is the same with this etude as well. If you don't know how to read music, looking it up will help. That aside, good luck!
@@mazeppa1231 such a brilliant comment. Yes it is so difficult to Learn from synthesia especially when polyrhythm comes into play. I've done this for nearly 4 years now and reading synthesia is like reading sheet music to me but I do massively struggle with polyrhythm because it's impossible to tell what notes are meant to be where! I've learnt all of s1404b now but I can say it will take a long long time to bring up to speed it's absolutely vile to play. i didn't think I could do it now the real challenge is bringing it up to a decent tempi🤮 I'm learning this and galinkas the lark at the same time and somehow they're both grade 10 i don't know how but they're not even in the same playing field in terms of difficulty. This truly is a vile piece to play but it sounds so good when done correctly. I'll keep striving for that because one day I will play it well. Thanks for your generous comment✌️
Ballade 4 is a joke lol I've done ballade 1 but it was substandard these long pieces are very hard to play I love ballade 4 the coda is worse than ballade 1 imo
@@Liszthesis also, what is the reason why people like to listen to piano music like the following, I thought you might know. : Barlow Cogluotobusletismesi Barrett Tract Bussotti Pour Clavier Cage Etudes Australes Cognizetti Pentaphonic Etude Diaz-Infante Solus Finnissy all.fall.down. Finnissy Solo Concerto No. 4 Flynn Trinity Fox Twenty-Four Etudes Fox Sonata No. 2 Hoban When the Panting Starts Martino Pianississimo Rzewski "The Road" Scelsi Action Music Skalkottas 32 Piano Pieces Sorabji Sequentia Cyclica Super "Dies Irae" ex Missa pro Defunctis Sorabji Sonata No. 5 "Opus Archimagicum" Sorabji Symphonic Variations Stockhausen Klavierstucke X Xenakis Evryali Xenakis Sieben Klavierstucke Xenakis Synaphai Yim :[ten]dril Zimmermann Wunsterwanderung It just makes no sense to me, other than seeing a sense score, but audibly it sounds no better than someone’s grandma falling down the stairs
there are several differences between both, its difficulty is quite notable though, no.4b contains a few additions to the melody while as I've seen no.4a directly follows the violin version
several people have made the similar thought that it is a merelly impossible piece (Thanks by the several midis with that ridiculos Musescore default tempo of andante that it also misleaded several people providing the belief that it is the original tempo that Liszt required) which they're misleadingly wrong though, it does seem non-human indeed but since a few pianists took the challenge to perform it then I would not consider it anymore, and the original one is no.4a, no.4b is just a rather difficult one, but it also makes it the 2nd version
it actually is but several performances from this piece lasts more than 4 minutes, filipec performed it like in 3:50 minutes, almost the same length of the video, and then Ladivinafantastic (which is the pianist who performed the well know video from the spanish rhapsody) performed it in almost 3:09 minutes which it is totally quite fast almost nearly reaching to the default musescore tempo of andante but as I see it is horribly difficult or even impossible to perform it at the tempo desired without any minor mistake, but it is still possible to perform it anyways
this is like the tempo used from other performances, since it is in 50/55 bpm it is slow of course but about the length of the notes then it sounds like in allegretto tempo which it can be like 100/110 bpm, but other midis include that default bpm of andante from musescore (75-76 bpm) and due of the length of the notes then it make it sound quite much as a vivace or basically impossibly fast (almost 155+ bpm)
@@Liszthesis Okay, but what was Liszt actually indicating? Even assuming a BPM of 100, that is 6.67 sixteenth notes a second, which is the note value of all the notes for several bars.
Finally! A synthesia vid of this piece with a reasonable speed, this is exactly how I imagine how Liszt himself would play this piece ^o^
Personally, I think it’s too slow, but play what you can! Nobody’s gonna be mad at you for learning an easier version, good luck!
Best synthesia video of this piece.
Awesome :)
This seems like a more decent pace, compared to most interpretations of this. Very manageable to a lot of people determined enough to learn it ^^
Finally video with playable tempo. Epic!
beautiful masterpiece on the piano
Wow!, what a legendary piece!
My favorite etude of the set ^^
Great video!
Finally a midi upload in "achievable" tempo! Thanks!
The faster tempo is achievable, just very hard.
@@isaacrandomrussell5630 It isn't. The pianos at Liszt's time were a bit different, the keys were smaller and they weren't that heavy. The pianos nowadays have heavier keys, and the keys can't retract that fast if you're going to play in this tempo. Even if you could play this piece in a fast tempo, you would have a hard time with the pianos nowadays, so technically it's impossible.
@@therealransu I can pretty much (and with more practice, likely more accurately) keep up with the beginning bit, and obviously I’m not the best pianist in the world, so I believe that it’s at LEAST possible, don’t say something isn’t possible just because it’s never been seen before, there’s many times in history when what was thought impossible was proven possible.
Edit: unless there’s scientific proof of true impossibility for the piano, in which case I will concede until I find a better piano.
Finally, a reasonable tempo. Still hard af but literally playable.
I was expecting this thanks!
Mistake Notes: the G#4 from the right hand in 3:06 is actually an octave up, the mistake just provided huge leap af lol
Lmao I was gonna question if that was a mistake a week ago, but seeing how Liszt is Liszt, I just didn't bother to point that out :'>
Best version of this piece
Amazing! i love this piece!
To write such a difficult song... Liszt is a genius!
I'ma be that one guy that say "piece*"
@@zian8452 Im aware he used google
Arpeggios with 2 notes in one beat are so hard
Finallyyyyyyy!!!
I'm actually using this video to learn it I can't read music lol im just past 1 min and yes it's still impossible to play even at this tempo I'm giving a good go though wish me luck I love this piece the melodies are so nice petrov does the best version so clean and great rubato considering this piece take so much technical skill for him to play it like that is amazing
me after seeing several messages claiming that this etude is "impossible" for the 127593275395th time... and btw it isn't recommendable to learn by synthesia than sheet music instead
@@Liszthesis I can't even read music I learn all my pieces off synthesia I've done 2 transcendental etudes 3 chopin etudes and a load more on my channel yes this etude is not impossible as I'm nearly half way through it but getting it to speed is going to be the challenge as the intervals at around 25 seconds are a complete joke plus the accuracy will take forever to get correct. I love this piece but the stretches are close to impossible for my hands in places.
@@kaii7147 Wow, good luck with that! But if you're going to learn from synthesia, at least try to look at the markings and fingerings in the original sheet music, as they are there to guide you to play it the way Liszt intended. Just knowing what keys to press is just half of learning the music.
Some pieces are impossible to learn from synthesia. In Chopin's 4th ballade, if you don't know the fingerings indicated for the coda, you will never play it right. In Mazeppa, 2-4 2-4 fingering is not in synthesia, so you'll never play it the right way if you rely on that. I'm guessing, it is the same with this etude as well.
If you don't know how to read music, looking it up will help.
That aside, good luck!
@@mazeppa1231 such a brilliant comment. Yes it is so difficult to Learn from synthesia especially when polyrhythm comes into play. I've done this for nearly 4 years now and reading synthesia is like reading sheet music to me but I do massively struggle with polyrhythm because it's impossible to tell what notes are meant to be where!
I've learnt all of s1404b now but I can say it will take a long long time to bring up to speed it's absolutely vile to play. i didn't think I could do it now the real challenge is bringing it up to a decent tempi🤮 I'm learning this and galinkas the lark at the same time and somehow they're both grade 10 i don't know how but they're not even in the same playing field in terms of difficulty. This truly is a vile piece to play but it sounds so good when done correctly. I'll keep striving for that because one day I will play it well. Thanks for your generous comment✌️
Ballade 4 is a joke lol I've done ballade 1 but it was substandard these long pieces are very hard to play I love ballade 4 the coda is worse than ballade 1 imo
Superb :)
thancccc
Iconic
Agree
2:14 💀
yah
Where do you find Leslie’s notes about all of these pieces?
on his hyperion website
@@Liszthesis where is this
@@Medtszkowski www.hyperion-records.co.uk/a.asp?a=A371
@@Liszthesis also, what is the reason why people like to listen to piano music like the following, I thought you might know. :
Barlow Cogluotobusletismesi
Barrett Tract
Bussotti Pour Clavier
Cage Etudes Australes
Cognizetti Pentaphonic Etude
Diaz-Infante Solus
Finnissy all.fall.down.
Finnissy Solo Concerto No. 4
Flynn Trinity
Fox Twenty-Four Etudes
Fox Sonata No. 2
Hoban When the Panting Starts
Martino Pianississimo
Rzewski "The Road"
Scelsi Action Music
Skalkottas 32 Piano Pieces
Sorabji Sequentia Cyclica Super "Dies Irae" ex Missa pro Defunctis
Sorabji Sonata No. 5 "Opus Archimagicum"
Sorabji Symphonic Variations
Stockhausen Klavierstucke X
Xenakis Evryali
Xenakis Sieben Klavierstucke
Xenakis Synaphai
Yim :[ten]dril
Zimmermann Wunsterwanderung
It just makes no sense to me, other than seeing a sense score, but audibly it sounds no better than someone’s grandma falling down the stairs
@@Medtszkowski why do you want us to criticize their works?
How is 4a different from 4b?
there are several differences between both, its difficulty is quite notable though, no.4b contains a few additions to the melody while as I've seen no.4a directly follows the violin version
Traum be like
Is this version original one ? Seems like unhuman to play it
several people have made the similar thought that it is a merelly impossible piece (Thanks by the several midis with that ridiculos Musescore default tempo of andante that it also misleaded several people providing the belief that it is the original tempo that Liszt required) which they're misleadingly wrong though, it does seem non-human indeed but since a few pianists took the challenge to perform it then I would not consider it anymore, and the original one is no.4a, no.4b is just a rather difficult one, but it also makes it the 2nd version
@@Liszthesis oh, actually I see on traum channel he played this piece and was written original version that's why I doubt
Is this even possible to play?
it actually is but several performances from this piece lasts more than 4 minutes, filipec performed it like in 3:50 minutes, almost the same length of the video, and then Ladivinafantastic (which is the pianist who performed the well know video from the spanish rhapsody) performed it in almost 3:09 minutes which it is totally quite fast almost nearly reaching to the default musescore tempo of andante but as I see it is horribly difficult or even impossible to perform it at the tempo desired without any minor mistake, but it is still possible to perform it anyways
Agree
@@Liszthesis is there a video where ladivinafanatic performed it?
@@cziffrathegreat666 www.reddit.com/r/piano/comments/y76v1l/another_studio_recording_of_mine_liszts_paganini/
@@Liszthesis thanks
NoIce
For my hands this étude is easy.
At 2/4, how is this andante quasi allegretto?
this is like the tempo used from other performances, since it is in 50/55 bpm it is slow of course but about the length of the notes then it sounds like in allegretto tempo which it can be like 100/110 bpm, but other midis include that default bpm of andante from musescore (75-76 bpm) and due of the length of the notes then it make it sound quite much as a vivace or basically impossibly fast (almost 155+ bpm)
@@Liszthesis Okay, but what was Liszt actually indicating? Even assuming a BPM of 100, that is 6.67 sixteenth notes a second, which is the note value of all the notes for several bars.