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@@evolutionxbox Biffa seems like a considerate person who has chosen his sponsors thoughtfully. He certainly doesn't need you chiming in on his choices. You don't have to use their service if you don't choose to.
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You really need to start charging the citizens more for parking those parking lots cost too much to upkeep otherwise. They never seem to complain about paying $50 for parking
As a planner and urban designer, i'd tend to say that large amounts of on-street car parking and surface parking are a sign of failure of placemaking. Appreciate that it may be difficult to do anything significant in the Economy 2.0 world, but a more Transit-Orientated-Development (TOD) approach, would be better for the people living on that new shopping street. You've already put the density in, now you need to make the streets walkable and ensure that walking and cycling is the easiest way to get around - with anything further than local, being accessed by rapid transit (i.e. trams or bus-rapid-transit). Parking should be at the edge of the settlements either in multi-storey car parking or (as the tend to do in Europe), underground.
@@inyobill Not necessarily, it's just in cities, you should really be aiming for transit-orientated-development as it's more efficient, viable and supports a mix of uses. Nothing is stopping places carrying on as they are with suburban sprawl, but this has too many disadvantages - that being said, you have to provide a range of housing options in order to succeed. Some people want the privacy that a detached house provides, others prefer the mix and thrill of the city. The main point is that wherever you are - in suburban sprawl or high density TOD, you should have access to high quality transit which means you don't have to use the car for journeys of less than 2km. There's plenty of innovative ways as to how you can provide medium to high density family homes. Look at examples like Vauban in Freiburg, or Almere in Holland or Hammarby Sjostad in Sweden. Portland in the US is also held up as a good example as place where TOD has been implemented.
That's one of the things I like about CityState II. When commercial buildings fail in that game, they turn into parking lots, so if your commercial is doing poorly your roads start looking like American stroads. CS2 is the complete opposite.
Biffa, it is SO GOOD that the game has reached a point that we can have a C:S2 video that sounds like a proper Biffa video. The only thing that was missing today was "JUMPY GAME!" 😀
The way I see it, tiles upkeep will prevent for buying unnecessary tiles, just for sake of having tiles, or not planning what to do with them. You buy it, you better have good idea on how to make that tile profitable.
I just wish we could make changes to networks without buying the tile. Most of the time the reason I'm buying an unnecessary tile it is because a single pixel of a highway segment I need to change to fix traffic happens to be in that square.
I enjoyed the video but do wish that you would pay more attention to public transport and city services (like healthcare centres & primary schools) when developing new areas like this - I'd like to at least see the low rent buildings added to your bus network and might I suggest that perhaps you could build out a university hospital complex (hospital + medical university + parking + green spaces + offices + nearby cemetery) once your city gets a bit bigger? These are usually located a bit outside the high density urban but with good access to the city 👍 keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next 😁
It's really unfortunate, but Eco 2.0 is what's made me shelve CS2. Too many game breaking bugs added, and tile upkeep just isnt good, especially if you need to access rail at the edge of the map. Starting a new city does not feel fun anymore. Hope they fix it soon...well after their vacation.
@@mdhazeldine A mod for tiles, a mod to fix offices, a mod to fix the awful balance, a mod to fix homeless etc. It's at the point where you need too many mods just to fix issues brought in with this patch.
@@ryanz486 I knew about offices, but haven't heard about homelessness? Maybe that's a new bug. I'll admit these things are annoying but I expect they will gradually reduce over the next few months as they tweak and refine things further. At least I hope so!
@@mdhazeldine I'm the same as ryanz486, this new 2.0 build just sucked the little bit of fun out and added mundane and mildly irritating things. Mods are supposed to customize the game, not return it to a playable state. Updates shouldn't be doing this really. Shelved for now, and back to CS1, again.
@@gavinpowell4607 Well they fixed the office bug and drop a bunch of new assets and features just the other day, so at least they are hard at working fixing the issues.
I've been having the 0 demand for office/industry and 100% pinned demand for residential in my city. I was losing tons of money because the "demand" came from homeless people without jobs who couldn't pay the taxes for their houses. Meanwhile I was sitting at 60% unemployment. When I noticed how high my unemployment was, I switched to exclusively zoning more office and industry, and lo and behold, even with the demand at 0 it started popping in buildings and I started making money again finally Maybe worth a try off-camera?
@@slendercastle he was sitting at 23% jobless rate and was about to zone in a bunch more residential because they were all sitting at 100%. Same problem I was having. Was just trying to help, no need to be so hostile
That's great! but I think you should joi the bus network to the new place you built so the childrens can go to school, and adults wharever they want to do.
Everyone is happy for low taxes, mail service availability, and hopefully more tea! Fan-sipping-tastic! I hope that patch of land next to the main highway is gonna get some development - maybe with an American shopping mall setup?
Please Biffa, bring mass transit to the new area. It will bring down car usage and would make the area more appealing to residents and business owners. That may also allow you to raise taxes in the near future.
Keep in mind Biffa, I just had to delete all parks and get the office for profit mod... Homeless people were piling up in parks, and offices are not selling their goods so they'll keep firing people... You can't really balance employment and taxes without that working...
The funny thing is the city I live in all I see now is the icons above the buildings in cities skylines 2 above the buildings in the city I live in and I can't get them out of my head lol. 😂
Taxes correlate to spending (as they spend less to save for rent after the patch), but, I read somewhere that 12% taxes were the limit before growth stopped.. I had to start a whole new city and play from scratch, my existing city was waaaay too buggy. I’m at 90k citizens with an equilibrium… enjoying it all except tile upkeep, it’s dumb..
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines It's not how it works. People will still move out and businesses won't come. My commercial tax income almost doubled from setting a lower tax rate (from 12% to 10%).
@@mver191 It's not that simple. Businesses will lay off workers if they don't have the margins to be able to keep them. Which is how you get a lot of unemployment. But you can tax residential pretty high (I use up to 20% in my city just fine), but only if employment percentage is good. A good rule is that you never want to tax so much that you lose all demand.
There is a huge bug at the moment with office zones. All the office buildings decrease over time to 5/5 employees, creating massive unemployment in your population. They clearly did not test the patch
As a Canadian it's always been weird that the civs will complain about taxes when it's usually been 14-15% where I live. Not that I agree with the insane tax prices but I would be excited if our taxes were closer to 12%
I think you need more parking lots, especially for the houses and businesses on the opposite side of the street. Maybe you can also consider using the tax rates to influence what type of industries spawn, ones with less polluting stacks and making goods that might be required, now that it's supposed to work.
Had a similar realisation that my cities were dying because of unemployment when playing yesterday. Economy 2.0 is succeeding, because once I figured out the problem, I could think of logical solutions to solve it, and when I pulled the levers I could see metrics react in real time. So I'm really happy with this update! Once you wrap your head around the game systems you can really start to enjoy messing around with them.
I do love this change. The difficulty is that you almost have to buy tiles next to each other because you can’t run power and water to separated tiles. If we were allowed to run pipes and cable through I purchased tiles for cost and upkeep, this would help to avoid purchasing tiles only for that purpose.
You can use Anarchy to build outside of your purchased tiles. Roads, rail, power, water, etc. I am doing that. I would buy a few tiles away from my main city use anarchy to connect it all up.
Very strange that there was no icon for empty buildings. It use to show as an abandoned building and need to be demolished. It's definitely better than just being abandoned; empty for someone else to move in. But the game should indicate that you have large amounts of empty industrial buildings. I suppose the clues were the huge money losses and crazy high unemployment. You have to manually check why the demand for Industrial is low but it doesn't tell you that there are empty buildings.
I feel like I’ve had alot of issues with commercial buildings in the new update where the demand was so high I had to make my taxes significantly higher just to compensate for the weirdly high demand for commercial buildings
Great video! One of my saves with about 150k pop took about 6 in game months for the economy to balance out with a little fussing with the tax rates and working on supply chains. The economy finally matters and it's wonder. As others yave noted there is a bug with offices however there is a mod for office and industrial that fixes the office issue.
Industry and commercial buildings when the tax rate is high can cause them to he empty. If you want to reduce unemployment reduce the tax rate on commercial and industry. You may want to look at the education level of your city as you may also have an overabundance of jobs that require well or highly educated citizens. If this is the case giving tax breaks to well and highly educated citizens will encourage them to move in allowing you to make more tax money from offices.
I saw in Infrastructurists video that if you use better bulldozer on sub element mode you can remove the smokestacks on the industry buildings without deleting the whole building
I like how having high taxes destroyed the economy, and when they were made reasonable it brought everything back; it's almost like not gouging people makes things fare better 🤔 (this is mostly not directed at you SuperVinlin )
There was a tip the cities skylines UA-cam channel gave for high unemployment. They said to zone more industry regardless of the demand bars. I think this would have been the best move and would have prevented your unemployment spiking to 70%
One thing I don't understand is why my city would have no industrial,commercial,office demand, then have maximum low,medium and high density residential demand while having 49% unemployment. It doesn't add up that there would be so much demand for housing when there are apparently no job opportunities.
loved seeing some balancing action in the game ☕I look forward to see how this will play out in the next episode. This video seemed to be quite promising for sure 🫖🥳 Thanks for what you do for the community and this banger of a video Biffa
I got the same problem in my city. Industry and commercial taxes are low AF, but I had to put residential taxes up to towards 20% (between 7% to 20%) for some of the educational levels, just to earn money. But now I NEVER get ANY need for industry or commercial. I did find that the spatialized industry still fills us, but noone wants to open a shop. Offices seems to be very popular tho.
Trams and buses really need to be fixed, I want control over the stopping times! or #Biffa should stay away from all stations! There are trams and buses that find it necessary to take a tea break at the station 🤬 causing trams and buses to run in a clump and not spread out neatly at an equal distance. Causing stations to freeze and despawn🙄and all the problems that follow😭
At 12:39, you are charging way too much in taxes. That’s why you have a huge unemployment rate. The businesses close down because they can’t afford to pay the taxes or don’t want to. Anything above 10% will screw up your city big time especially if you don’t have any money saved up.
With all the accidents they keep having in CitySkyLines2 they should make a MOD with driving schools and wrecker/tow company's :p Just to get a safer world :D
Office high density buildings only have 5 people working there now😢. They need to patch that and rebalance office in general.. I have more high rent problems in eco 2.0 now because of high unemployment.
Sitting on my couch muttering: lower taxes till demand recovers? If that's the case, a true economist created the model. Lower taxes increase the economy and hence increase revenue...
I have discovered a very huge bug with the economy 2.0 - which is that in existing city, it never, ever, ever has any demand for anything other than industry. I get tons of messages in the socila media feed saying lots of jobs and not enough workers, but the city has no demand for housing, business, or anything else. I even tried tanking the tax rates down to 5%, and nothing really happened. Population varies a little but there is no demand for house, business, or offices. I have tried both on a smaller (25k population) and a much larger one (100k plus population) and all I got was the death wave for a while, and then nothing much... just sort of endless stuck in place.
Demand is totally fake btw. Things will move even if demand is at zero, you can straight up ignore low-housing demand and people would still come to live in high-rises, even if demand for them is zero.
Question. I see you have lots of farms. When you look at your charts for wealth. Do the farms make money or are they operating at a loss? Edit: I ask because most of my farms make negative income in the wealth charts. Deficit and surplus seem to be very important now.
I am tentatively no longer boycotting all CS2 videos temporarily. They have tamed my frustration for now, but I foresee I will be back in the same place shortly.
The 1st time I got on after the patch, I pulled up an old city I had and let it run for 3 months. just to see what happened. originally in the beginning i had a pop of 80k and losing like 1 mil a month on the budget. By the time the 3 months were over my pop had skyrocketed to 120k and i was now losing 9 mil a month. Guess its time to start a new city.
I haven't watched yet but my initial reactions is: How did you manage 70% unemployment?? 😂😂 I did start a new save but there are only 10 unemployed in my city of 30k
Just curious has anyone upgraded from a AM4 to AM5 platform? I want to know if this upgrade will improve simulation speed over 100k pop. Economy 2.0 seems to have made the simulation even slower as I used to get to 300k before issues now its about 180k. Perhaps I didn't use enough public transit in this city. Overall I like what the patch has done. Feels much more like a proper successor to sim city now. Only problem is if you shock your economy late games the simulation is so slow you will never recover. Literally spent 8 hours trying to recover a city in a death spiral and eventually had to give up. People were moving in but people kept dying faster. I like doing these shocks in city builders and an excuse for urban renewal so its a little sad the game doesn't run well enough to be able to do this. Skylines 1 also struggled with these shocks but the simulation was still fast enough it was possible to recover. The problem is you change the taxes and then the effect happens 5-10 minutes later so you change it back same thing happens... Eventually you max out loans and go bankrupt. I think the tile upkeep mechanic might be making this worse as its making the city denser which is concentrating pops in less space. Also I noticed groups of people just standing around glitching. Hopefully these problems are just bugs/tuning and will be fixed soon.
I'm having some trouble understanding the post-patch unemployment calculation. How can I have a huge **residential** demand when there are so many people who need jobs?
i was contemplating getting this after the economy 2.0 update, but this just seems so frustrating to try to engage with. everything from road drawing, to demand, to zoning, to importing services, to economy balancing, it all seems like its fighting you all the time. I just don't want to feel like I'm fighting a games mechanics in my supposed relaxing time. it makes me so sad to see all this.
One of the things I'm enjoying about the Econ2.0 patch is that we have to take a step back and think. Great video! Very insightful as you talk through your thought processes to find the solution for the high unemployment! :D
I'm sure your "background" music's getting louder. Might have to start putting captions on! Won't stop me watching, but it's irritating, because my brain focuses more on the music than you! Only when you're talking, though.
It might also be caused by UA-cam's "stable volume" feature that's enabled by default and can cause an imbalance between the background music and the voiceover. Check if it's enabled on your player and if you spot a difference with it turned on or off
I watch people stream games on a regular basis and this topic comes up sometimes. While I hear no music, some people ask to turn it down (my hearing is regulary tested bc of the work I do.. I'm glad that isn't the issue 😅). It is an important topic, Iskall85 is a gamer/streamer/youtuber who made a few polls once to find out more: Most people who experienced loud music were watching on a small screen (phones, tablets, laptops etc). But we couldn't pinpoint it directly to this, because not everyone watching on a small screen heared the music. I really wanted to hear the music, so after that stream I actually upgraded the soundsystem I have for my big screen 😂. Now it's there, but not yet overpowering. He was right about there being a big difference in quality though. I was wondering if your device settings are perhaps set to 'music' instead of 'speech'. I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm not sure what the setting names are called on your device. If it's very annoying in this video, it might be worth checking perhaps? It would be wonderful if it's a matter of a few clicks ofcourse. I really hope this helped. Hope you have a wonderful day nonetheless 😊
@@quentinduch1625 Thanks for the tip, I never even noticed that! Even though the music didn't bother me, my curiousity begged me to try it. Big difference for me. The music turned down immediately. So thanks for teaching me this existed 🙂
It was in the first half or so of this video where the music was vying for attention, but it seemed to ease off by the end. I watched through again just to make sure it wasn't a matter of me getting used to the sound as it played through, but the music definitely seemed more dominant early on. I'm watching on my TV which has decent sound.
is eny 1 getting 0 on taxes from time to time the game for me massive problem if you AFK the game to build money up and to let the game run after i make some intersections changes
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@@evolutionxbox Biffa seems like a considerate person who has chosen his sponsors thoughtfully. He certainly doesn't need you chiming in on his choices. You don't have to use their service if you don't choose to.
@@mmomox thanks for your opinion. Biffa is considerate, yes. instant-gaming is a legally dodgy key reseller. He does need chiming in if he's promoting key resellers.
@evolutionxbox Legal as you said. Your bias is yours not his.
You really need to start charging the citizens more for parking those parking lots cost too much to upkeep otherwise. They never seem to complain about paying $50 for parking
They won't complain but upgrading houses seem to work through how much they have left to spent.
$50 parking is bad. They'll pay it, but they wont upgrade
As a planner and urban designer, i'd tend to say that large amounts of on-street car parking and surface parking are a sign of failure of placemaking. Appreciate that it may be difficult to do anything significant in the Economy 2.0 world, but a more Transit-Orientated-Development (TOD) approach, would be better for the people living on that new shopping street. You've already put the density in, now you need to make the streets walkable and ensure that walking and cycling is the easiest way to get around - with anything further than local, being accessed by rapid transit (i.e. trams or bus-rapid-transit). Parking should be at the edge of the settlements either in multi-storey car parking or (as the tend to do in Europe), underground.
When cycling is in the game I will ;-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Cycle lanes - another basic element of city building missing from Cities Skylines 2?! Never!
I know the modern think is everyone has to live in high-density rabbit warren environments, just glad I won't be alive to see it as a requirement.
@@inyobill Not necessarily, it's just in cities, you should really be aiming for transit-orientated-development as it's more efficient, viable and supports a mix of uses. Nothing is stopping places carrying on as they are with suburban sprawl, but this has too many disadvantages - that being said, you have to provide a range of housing options in order to succeed. Some people want the privacy that a detached house provides, others prefer the mix and thrill of the city. The main point is that wherever you are - in suburban sprawl or high density TOD, you should have access to high quality transit which means you don't have to use the car for journeys of less than 2km. There's plenty of innovative ways as to how you can provide medium to high density family homes. Look at examples like Vauban in Freiburg, or Almere in Holland or Hammarby Sjostad in Sweden. Portland in the US is also held up as a good example as place where TOD has been implemented.
That's one of the things I like about CityState II. When commercial buildings fail in that game, they turn into parking lots, so if your commercial is doing poorly your roads start looking like American stroads. CS2 is the complete opposite.
Biffa, it is SO GOOD that the game has reached a point that we can have a C:S2 video that sounds like a proper Biffa video. The only thing that was missing today was "JUMPY GAME!" 😀
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Thank you for using random ages and rotation for trees
No problem!
The way I see it, tiles upkeep will prevent for buying unnecessary tiles, just for sake of having tiles, or not planning what to do with them. You buy it, you better have good idea on how to make that tile profitable.
100%
I just wish we could make changes to networks without buying the tile. Most of the time the reason I'm buying an unnecessary tile it is because a single pixel of a highway segment I need to change to fix traffic happens to be in that square.
@@CodenameRockerika it would make sense if we could build roads on locked tiles. Just roads, nothing else.
Hi Biffa! You can use the remove sub elements function on the better bulldozer to remove smoke stacks from buildings 😊
Use the tool mode in the bulldozer to just delete the chimney off of the industrial buildings.
I enjoyed the video but do wish that you would pay more attention to public transport and city services (like healthcare centres & primary schools) when developing new areas like this - I'd like to at least see the low rent buildings added to your bus network and might I suggest that perhaps you could build out a university hospital complex (hospital + medical university + parking + green spaces + offices + nearby cemetery) once your city gets a bit bigger? These are usually located a bit outside the high density urban but with good access to the city 👍 keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with next 😁
It's really unfortunate, but Eco 2.0 is what's made me shelve CS2.
Too many game breaking bugs added, and tile upkeep just isnt good, especially if you need to access rail at the edge of the map.
Starting a new city does not feel fun anymore. Hope they fix it soon...well after their vacation.
Just get the 529 tiles mod and turn it off then?
@@mdhazeldine A mod for tiles, a mod to fix offices, a mod to fix the awful balance, a mod to fix homeless etc.
It's at the point where you need too many mods just to fix issues brought in with this patch.
@@ryanz486 I knew about offices, but haven't heard about homelessness? Maybe that's a new bug. I'll admit these things are annoying but I expect they will gradually reduce over the next few months as they tweak and refine things further. At least I hope so!
@@mdhazeldine I'm the same as ryanz486, this new 2.0 build just sucked the little bit of fun out and added mundane and mildly irritating things. Mods are supposed to customize the game, not return it to a playable state. Updates shouldn't be doing this really. Shelved for now, and back to CS1, again.
@@gavinpowell4607 Well they fixed the office bug and drop a bunch of new assets and features just the other day, so at least they are hard at working fixing the issues.
I wonder why there aren't buildings with underground parking. They are extremely common, at least in europe.
I've been having the 0 demand for office/industry and 100% pinned demand for residential in my city. I was losing tons of money because the "demand" came from homeless people without jobs who couldn't pay the taxes for their houses. Meanwhile I was sitting at 60% unemployment.
When I noticed how high my unemployment was, I switched to exclusively zoning more office and industry, and lo and behold, even with the demand at 0 it started popping in buildings and I started making money again finally
Maybe worth a try off-camera?
already fixed it in the video by lowering taxes, what are you talking about?
@@slendercastle he was sitting at 23% jobless rate and was about to zone in a bunch more residential because they were all sitting at 100%. Same problem I was having.
Was just trying to help, no need to be so hostile
@@slendercastlehe still had 0 commercial demand tho ;)
20:12 You spelled "barrier" wrong when searching.
Enjoying the content.
Make Tea ...not war...long lives Biffa...
Isn´t the unemployment issue aswell connected to a lack of education?
It can be, depends on your city make-up :-)
That's great! but I think you should joi the bus network to the new place you built so the childrens can go to school, and adults wharever they want to do.
Everyone is happy for low taxes, mail service availability, and hopefully more tea! Fan-sipping-tastic!
I hope that patch of land next to the main highway is gonna get some development - maybe with an American shopping mall setup?
Please Biffa, bring mass transit to the new area. It will bring down car usage and would make the area more appealing to residents and business owners. That may also allow you to raise taxes in the near future.
Just the greatest gaming channel ever
Thanks! :-)
33:27 One tree is clipping into the building, imagine living there and all you can see out your window is a big fat tree.
You mean, IN your window...😆
@@drjonritz I actually had a dream where I rewatched the video and Biffa fixed the one single tree 😂
@@comical4609 Phew! Nobody wants a birdnest over their bunkbed
Keep in mind Biffa, I just had to delete all parks and get the office for profit mod... Homeless people were piling up in parks, and offices are not selling their goods so they'll keep firing people... You can't really balance employment and taxes without that working...
You needed a mod to make the game work?
Really? That's not good.
The funny thing is the city I live in all I see now is the icons above the buildings in cities skylines 2 above the buildings in the city I live in and I can't get them out of my head lol. 😂
biffa, just use the better bulldozer and delete the stacks off the asset!.
Taxes correlate to spending (as they spend less to save for rent after the patch), but, I read somewhere that 12% taxes were the limit before growth stopped.. I had to start a whole new city and play from scratch, my existing city was waaaay too buggy. I’m at 90k citizens with an equilibrium… enjoying it all except tile upkeep, it’s dumb..
Taxes, Taxes, Taxes 😉 Try dropping commercial to 5% to generate demand, then build up slowly from there.
ditto ^
Taxes are too High needs to be below 12% for no mood penalty
True, but there are other things that improve mood, so you can charge more tax and take the debuf ;-)
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines It's not how it works. People will still move out and businesses won't come. My commercial tax income almost doubled from setting a lower tax rate (from 12% to 10%).
@@mver191 It's not that simple. Businesses will lay off workers if they don't have the margins to be able to keep them. Which is how you get a lot of unemployment. But you can tax residential pretty high (I use up to 20% in my city just fine), but only if employment percentage is good. A good rule is that you never want to tax so much that you lose all demand.
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines Maybe no commercial demand because citizen tax too high - no money to spend no demand for places to spend ie. shops?
There is a huge bug at the moment with office zones. All the office buildings decrease over time to 5/5 employees, creating massive unemployment in your population. They clearly did not test the patch
Right? It’s amazing to have regular game breaking bugs in 2024 like this. I have to play with mods to fix the game.
@@Ibosna Is there a mod that fixes office zones yet? This really annoys me lol
As a Canadian it's always been weird that the civs will complain about taxes when it's usually been 14-15% where I live.
Not that I agree with the insane tax prices but I would be excited if our taxes were closer to 12%
Woohoo a happy Biffa video playing CS2. It’s great to have you back and enjoying it again. I’m sorry but cartoon beavers just don’t float my boat.
I believe you can delete the chimneys individually using Better Bulldozer tools!
I think you need more parking lots, especially for the houses and businesses on the opposite side of the street. Maybe you can also consider using the tax rates to influence what type of industries spawn, ones with less polluting stacks and making goods that might be required, now that it's supposed to work.
Had a similar realisation that my cities were dying because of unemployment when playing yesterday. Economy 2.0 is succeeding, because once I figured out the problem, I could think of logical solutions to solve it, and when I pulled the levers I could see metrics react in real time. So I'm really happy with this update!
Once you wrap your head around the game systems you can really start to enjoy messing around with them.
I do love this change. The difficulty is that you almost have to buy tiles next to each other because you can’t run power and water to separated tiles. If we were allowed to run pipes and cable through I purchased tiles for cost and upkeep, this would help to avoid purchasing tiles only for that purpose.
You can use Anarchy to build outside of your purchased tiles. Roads, rail, power, water, etc. I am doing that. I would buy a few tiles away from my main city use anarchy to connect it all up.
@@hoser193 that’s definitely a good solution in the mean time
ehhh, i like empty space. i think creators fill every square inch when they should leave vacant space.
When Biffa discovers the Laffer Curve is built into the game
Before the update I had a stable population of 90K, after the update my city had a population of 221K. without me having done anything!
25:38 Graffiti on the fences! 😁
I remember imperatur a long time ago do an industy build w smaller zoning like 2x2, 2x3 to get small industrial buildings without any smoke stacks.
'lets get down ' *pause* 'lets get dooown (low tone)' was weirdly so funny 😅
Very strange that there was no icon for empty buildings. It use to show as an abandoned building and need to be demolished.
It's definitely better than just being abandoned; empty for someone else to move in. But the game should indicate that you have large amounts of empty industrial buildings.
I suppose the clues were the huge money losses and crazy high unemployment. You have to manually check why the demand for Industrial is low but it doesn't tell you that there are empty buildings.
the best thing I‘ve realized: You can bulldoze the chimneys of the insustries with the better bulldozer mod! I hate these chimney stacks!
I feel like I’ve had alot of issues with commercial buildings in the new update where the demand was so high I had to make my taxes significantly higher just to compensate for the weirdly high demand for commercial buildings
Warning
In 529 Tiles you actually MULTIPLY your tile upkeep.
So, if you set up 40 %, you pay 40 % up more then in vanilla 😸
No that's not right. 40% is 40% of the full amount. 100% would be the full vanilla amount.
Great video! One of my saves with about 150k pop took about 6 in game months for the economy to balance out with a little fussing with the tax rates and working on supply chains.
The economy finally matters and it's wonder. As others yave noted there is a bug with offices however there is a mod for office and industrial that fixes the office issue.
From CPP streams I hear that if you have tax higher than 12 % you get less money then you should.
Industry and commercial buildings when the tax rate is high can cause them to he empty. If you want to reduce unemployment reduce the tax rate on commercial and industry. You may want to look at the education level of your city as you may also have an overabundance of jobs that require well or highly educated citizens. If this is the case giving tax breaks to well and highly educated citizens will encourage them to move in allowing you to make more tax money from offices.
I saw in Infrastructurists video that if you use better bulldozer on sub element mode you can remove the smokestacks on the industry buildings without deleting the whole building
Just a few more years and this game will be in a fully playable state! I can't wait.
Maybe some pedestrian paths from the new low-income housing, through the new trees, to the industrial estate could reduce the traffic volume.
Um…er…nevermind. 🫣😉🤣
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I like how having high taxes destroyed the economy, and when they were made reasonable it brought everything back; it's almost like not gouging people makes things fare better 🤔 (this is mostly not directed at you SuperVinlin )
Another fun VOD, thank you. 🥃🥃
There was a tip the cities skylines UA-cam channel gave for high unemployment. They said to zone more industry regardless of the demand bars. I think this would have been the best move and would have prevented your unemployment spiking to 70%
One thing I don't understand is why my city would have no industrial,commercial,office demand, then have maximum low,medium and high density residential demand while having 49% unemployment. It doesn't add up that there would be so much demand for housing when there are apparently no job opportunities.
loved seeing some balancing action in the game ☕I look forward to see how this will play out in the next episode. This video seemed to be quite promising for sure 🫖🥳 Thanks for what you do for the community and this banger of a video Biffa
Love the video, amazing ❤
Biffa, you've got guts playing this city post Economy 2.0. I had to start from the beginning... 😏
I got the same problem in my city. Industry and commercial taxes are low AF, but I had to put residential taxes up to towards 20% (between 7% to 20%) for some of the educational levels, just to earn money.
But now I NEVER get ANY need for industry or commercial. I did find that the spatialized industry still fills us, but noone wants to open a shop. Offices seems to be very popular tho.
Trams and buses really need to be fixed, I want control over the stopping times! or #Biffa should stay away from all stations!
There are trams and buses that find it necessary to take a tea break at the station 🤬 causing trams and buses to run in a clump and not spread out neatly at an equal distance.
Causing stations to freeze and despawn🙄and all the problems that follow😭
With all the new Houses build you need education, I would place it between the back next to the parking. This is not causing traffic.
At 12:39, you are charging way too much in taxes. That’s why you have a huge unemployment rate. The businesses close down because they can’t afford to pay the taxes or don’t want to. Anything above 10% will screw up your city big time especially if you don’t have any money saved up.
With all the accidents they keep having in CitySkyLines2 they should make a MOD with driving schools and wrecker/tow company's :p
Just to get a safer world :D
Office high density buildings only have 5 people working there now😢. They need to patch that and rebalance office in general.. I have more high rent problems in eco 2.0 now because of high unemployment.
The commercial demand meter in the details is broken
Sitting on my couch muttering: lower taxes till demand recovers? If that's the case, a true economist created the model. Lower taxes increase the economy and hence increase revenue...
Great job!! Things seem to be working pretty well🤩
There really, _really_ should be some kind of icon for "no company in industrial building."
Anyone (Or Biffa) have a link to a modlist used in this video? Loving some of the mods I'm seeing
If you play with the taxes you’ll get more demand for industry it’ll fix the unemployment problem
Me with -10 to 10% residential tax and taxing everything else at 30%. Nothing but farms and houses, the simple life.
I have discovered a very huge bug with the economy 2.0 - which is that in existing city, it never, ever, ever has any demand for anything other than industry. I get tons of messages in the socila media feed saying lots of jobs and not enough workers, but the city has no demand for housing, business, or anything else. I even tried tanking the tax rates down to 5%, and nothing really happened. Population varies a little but there is no demand for house, business, or offices.
I have tried both on a smaller (25k population) and a much larger one (100k plus population) and all I got was the death wave for a while, and then nothing much... just sort of endless stuck in place.
Demand is totally fake btw. Things will move even if demand is at zero, you can straight up ignore low-housing demand and people would still come to live in high-rises, even if demand for them is zero.
Question. I see you have lots of farms. When you look at your charts for wealth. Do the farms make money or are they operating at a loss?
Edit: I ask because most of my farms make negative income in the wealth charts. Deficit and surplus seem to be very important now.
Hey Biffa I love your videos so thank you. Small question can you show us how to start a city? Sinds the economy 2.0 I go broke after 10 min.😢
I am tentatively no longer boycotting all CS2 videos temporarily. They have tamed my frustration for now, but I foresee I will be back in the same place shortly.
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Never disappoint my friend, I always enjoy your videos as its a education experience for myself and my channel. -Keep it up !!
You can delete industry smoke stacks with better bulldozer, delete sub elements.
The 1st time I got on after the patch, I pulled up an old city I had and let it run for 3 months. just to see what happened. originally in the beginning i had a pop of 80k and losing like 1 mil a month on the budget. By the time the 3 months were over my pop had skyrocketed to 120k and i was now losing 9 mil a month. Guess its time to start a new city.
You built a sanctuary city?
I haven't watched yet but my initial reactions is: How did you manage 70% unemployment?? 😂😂
I did start a new save but there are only 10 unemployed in my city of 30k
Just curious has anyone upgraded from a AM4 to AM5 platform? I want to know if this upgrade will improve simulation speed over 100k pop. Economy 2.0 seems to have made the simulation even slower as I used to get to 300k before issues now its about 180k. Perhaps I didn't use enough public transit in this city.
Overall I like what the patch has done. Feels much more like a proper successor to sim city now. Only problem is if you shock your economy late games the simulation is so slow you will never recover. Literally spent 8 hours trying to recover a city in a death spiral and eventually had to give up. People were moving in but people kept dying faster. I like doing these shocks in city builders and an excuse for urban renewal so its a little sad the game doesn't run well enough to be able to do this. Skylines 1 also struggled with these shocks but the simulation was still fast enough it was possible to recover. The problem is you change the taxes and then the effect happens 5-10 minutes later so you change it back same thing happens... Eventually you max out loans and go bankrupt.
I think the tile upkeep mechanic might be making this worse as its making the city denser which is concentrating pops in less space. Also I noticed groups of people just standing around glitching. Hopefully these problems are just bugs/tuning and will be fixed soon.
I'm having some trouble understanding the post-patch unemployment calculation. How can I have a huge **residential** demand when there are so many people who need jobs?
i was contemplating getting this after the economy 2.0 update, but this just seems so frustrating to try to engage with. everything from road drawing, to demand, to zoning, to importing services, to economy balancing, it all seems like its fighting you all the time. I just don't want to feel like I'm fighting a games mechanics in my supposed relaxing time. it makes me so sad to see all this.
I think there is a bug with Commercial. Demand just drops off a cliff after a while and never seems to come back.
Don't overtax commercial and residential
Pretty sure if you have the relavant utility in your city the import won't charge you for it.
Nice build, this one, thanks.
No problem 👍
Nice Video!
You could use better bulldozer to delete the chimneys of the industry.
need a lake between the new low income housing and the other side of town
Do you have the issue with the offices only having 5 employees?
Well, we learned something from that one. Noice.
Its a huge bug, that commercial demand is not spawning...
So, no more blatant warning that the buildings are abandoned?
Very grey looking game isn't it?
Is it still bad?
One of the things I'm enjoying about the Econ2.0 patch is that we have to take a step back and think. Great video! Very insightful as you talk through your thought processes to find the solution for the high unemployment! :D
It’s your lack of higher education. That’s why there’s no commercial demand.
Love it!
I'm sure your "background" music's getting louder. Might have to start putting captions on! Won't stop me watching, but it's irritating, because my brain focuses more on the music than you! Only when you're talking, though.
It might also be caused by UA-cam's "stable volume" feature that's enabled by default and can cause an imbalance between the background music and the voiceover.
Check if it's enabled on your player and if you spot a difference with it turned on or off
I watch people stream games on a regular basis and this topic comes up sometimes. While I hear no music, some people ask to turn it down (my hearing is regulary tested bc of the work I do.. I'm glad that isn't the issue 😅).
It is an important topic, Iskall85 is a gamer/streamer/youtuber who made a few polls once to find out more:
Most people who experienced loud music were watching on a small screen (phones, tablets, laptops etc). But we couldn't pinpoint it directly to this, because not everyone watching on a small screen heared the music. I really wanted to hear the music, so after that stream I actually upgraded the soundsystem I have for my big screen 😂. Now it's there, but not yet overpowering.
He was right about there being a big difference in quality though.
I was wondering if your device settings are perhaps set to 'music' instead of 'speech'. I'm not a native English speaker, so I'm not sure what the setting names are called on your device.
If it's very annoying in this video, it might be worth checking perhaps? It would be wonderful if it's a matter of a few clicks ofcourse. I really hope this helped.
Hope you have a wonderful day nonetheless 😊
@@quentinduch1625 Thanks for the tip, I never even noticed that! Even though the music didn't bother me, my curiousity begged me to try it. Big difference for me. The music turned down immediately. So thanks for teaching me this existed 🙂
It was in the first half or so of this video where the music was vying for attention, but it seemed to ease off by the end. I watched through again just to make sure it wasn't a matter of me getting used to the sound as it played through, but the music definitely seemed more dominant early on.
I'm watching on my TV which has decent sound.
Has the performance changed? I stopped playing a few months back, because it ran like ass.
Runs fine now 👍
is eny 1 getting 0 on taxes from time to time the game for me
massive problem if you AFK the game to build money up and to let the game run after i make some intersections changes
Is there still performance problems?
Nope 👍
Why don’t you just export water
Sorry for being 30s late :(
You're here, that's what counts! ;-)
After the update my tile cost seems to be at 0 can anyone help ? I’ve completely uninstalled and reinstalled but still the same