LIVE! Karen Read MISTRIAL! What Happens Next?
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Chapters:
00:00 Welcome
00:46 Intro
02:27 Judge Declares a Mistrial
08:33 Status Hearing Set - July 22, 2024 @ 2pmET
15:46 Q&A
31:08 MA Rule Of Criminal Procedure
32:15 Q&A
35:09 Retrial?
37:57 Q&A
41:02 Defense Press Conference
45:49 Q&A
50:47 Conclusion
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This proves my belief that some people just want to punish someone regardless of evidence. This trial was a cut and dry as any I've seen.
Indeed. It shows how much some people just want to believe the opinions of the cops regardless of evidence
I partly agree with you, I also think there are more people that are pro police in Boston compared to some other metro areas plus the jury did not see everything we saw. I really think some of them are going to go home and watch some sort of news or analysis about it and see that the expert witnesses testifying on her behalf were originally the FBI's witnesses and they will feel like they would have changed their minds if they knew that. I'm also sure we're going to be hearing from some of them soon.
Agree with both comments!
Agree 💯
It's an indictment on our education system nation-wide. We have never taught people HOW to process information, just WHAT they need to "know". Critical thinking is at a premium in this country. No way you're gonna get 12 people and not have at least one of them be bamboozle-able with shady tactics like Lally and the Judge foisted on them.
I don't understand how his family thinks Karen is guilty after hearing all of the evidence. One would think they would want the actual murderer held accountable
My understanding is that his mom blamed her for leaving him alone at the party. In her eyes, KR is responsible either way.
@@theamazingtif Even in that case I can't understand how could she sit next to Brian Albert and Jen McCabe. And Kerri Roberts who clearly did not want KR anywhere near JOK.
@@theamazingtif I feel sorry for his mum and family but blaming Karen for leaving him at the party ? What ?? He wasn’t 5 years old fgs
I tried to give the family some grace because they were lied to for 2 plus years but I don't understand how you can hear all the evidence and still believe she killed Officer O'keefe. I have lost sympathy for them.
This is what frustrates me sooo much. Why do they hate her so much? If I were them, the only people I’d hate is the slimey people who “investigated” this case. Through testimony, they should’ve seen how crappy this investigation was done. The CW had one of the weakest cases I have ever seen in my life and yet there’s people out there (the O’Keefes family included) that continue to hate her rather than the people who could’ve found the real person/people who killed John, whether that’s KR or not, who freaking knows, because the investigation was sooo bad.
I’m sorry but it would take a lot to convince me that Proctor, McCabes and Alberts did not influence or scare the hell out of some of those jurors. The evidence 100 % proved reasonable doubt . In fact in my opinion Karen Read is 100% innocent.
I don't know if she's innocent, but the CW definitely didn't meet the burden of proof.
I believe the jurors and families were intimidated and threatened as well!!! I’ve been saying that all along! These people are probably scared shitless of retribution by cops and or political bs. No doubt in my mind !!! Change of venue must, must happen!!!
@@kyle1598hffgyfvI think just like you
She is totally innocent!!@@kyle1598hffgyfv she is
I think she's innocent. I also agree that Proctor, McCabes and Alberts likely influenced the outcome and I believe fully that they're corrupt.
The arrogance of Lally to immediately say he's going to re-try her AFTER he has seen ARCCA's full report is thumbing his nose at justice. He knows she didn't do this. He's a spineless jellyfish willing to frame an innocent woman. COWARD!!!
I really wish there was a way to make prosecutors like that pay for what is basically a crime.
Not surprising
The cops are scared of the implications of if she is found not guilty
Who is pulling Lally’s strings? He is merely a marionette dancing for the Canton Crime Syndicate
He was also involved in that case with that teenage girl who was murdered when she was 21 and was pregnant by one of five police officers who groomed her and had been molesting her since she was a child. It was just a few minutes away from Canton.
This makes me lose faith in my fellow humans. This lady is clearly innocent.
I was on a jury once, it hung, and was simply because two people were incapable of critical thinking. The defense attorney was super slick and effective. It shook my confidence in our justice system. it's not like juror selection tests for intelligence. :D
We don't really know that because of the frame-up job pulled by the Canton PD and the gang. But, I definitely felt there was more than enough evidence for reasonable doubt. I have a hard time believing that the note sent from the jurors said there were substantial convictions on both sides. That's just really surprising to me. But, I read another comment reminding us that the jurors didn't get to see the "whole" trial as we did, and they were also unaware that the FBI are the last two experts that were on the stand.
Alot of reasonable doubt as well
Not so! People wake up !
I’m not going to rag on jurors. I’ve served on two juries and I had ZERO doubt what the verdict would be by the end, and yet first votes were not unanimous. I was an alternate in the first trial, not the second. The second, a murder trial, it was interesting to hear others’ perceptions and talk it out.
6 minutes after hearing miss - trial, the state announced they will go forward to go ahead with another trial. I hope the FBI comes through with any of their findings, to stop this injustice. Find the real people involved with Officer O’Keefe passing. Respect for Officer O’Keefe. RIP. 🙏 🩵
Not with Proctor 🥷
Does Karen have to pay for another trial?
@@vanessamonroe1917 Yes
This does not mean they will follow through with this statement. This is a political statement at this point.
@@mrs.little5103 That’s A lot of money! 💰
JK family must realize that their son/brother would have received justice if the Canton police would’ve done their job.
*IF* KR did it, I have no reason to believe she even knew she did, let alone did it on purpose.
The investigation however… they, at best, did a shit job.
I believe I’d be MORE mad at them.
The Canton Police had a conflict of interest and recused themselves. It was the Massachusetts State Police who conducted the botched investigation.
@@luannae.devenis1154and protected the Alberts
What the heck. Wasn't it one of Canton police who did it in the first place.
@@weiccoThe death occurred at the home of retired Boston Police Officer Brian Albert. His brother, Kevin, is a Canton Police Officer, and another of his brothers, Chris, is a Canton Select Board Member.
KR needs a change of venue. How anyone could find her guilty after that trial is beyond me and points to people having pre-conceived opinions of her. There’s no evidence he was hit by a car. KR was back at his house when he was still walking around. I don’t understand.
Yes; I’ve been thinking this throughout this sh**show!!
Absolutely.
Not everyone is obsessed with true crime and law tube.
she is 100% innocent
@@somethingclever8916I think the change of venue is more based on somewhere not as close to the Canton community. Somewhere that has a more liberal mindset to consider police & social corruption.
Rather than change of venue due to law tube.
If the Johnny Depp case could have a jury, a second jury can be found on this one
To have people so blind and ignorant to think there was no reasonable doubt is absolutely extraordinarily scary to think our lives are held in their very ignorant hands if we were ever innocent.
Well, the Alberts and Michael Higgins I mean, Brian Higgins, there, staring at the jury did not help if these people are as corrupt as they overly seen, then drawers may be threatened!
@@gingerhickerson5792😢
Even if jurors think Karen killed John the experts completely disproved theory it happened with a car. They should have found her innocent as CW theory was disproved. IMO everyone should blame the MSP for doing an extremely poor job with their investigation.
Yes, making it about their own feelings
Wonder what the jurors who voted guilty saw in the evidence that made them decide that???
This is why innocent people take plea deals.
Exactly. A normal person would’ve been found guilty of everything. Thankfully, she had the resources to present a great defense. And even with that she’s still in limbo.
Which is exactly what they expected Karen Read to do. Had she been poor, like most people, she would've been forced to plead out and an innocent woman would be in jail. This system is such a joke.
EXACTLY 100%
Exactly
When your threatened an you don't have the resources your scared I plead guilty when it was very obvious I was innocent and it has bothered me more than anything except losing my son .
There's noooo one in MA that hasn't heard about this case. I was at the dentist about 20 miles away and the entire lobby was talking about it. 90% of us wondering how it hadn't come back not guilty.
most of my friends haven't heard of this case
Change of venue
In Melrose?
I'm in Western Massachusetts and the majority of us believe she is Not Guilty - I think there needs to be an IQ test to serve on a jury!
Yeah, idk how the find 12 more jurors lol
I’m really not sure how anyone can think there is enough evidence to charge Karen.
People that watched the trial with brains.
There doesn't have to be enough evidence. There appears to be no consequences for the Commonwealth's actions.
You guys understand that Karen’s lawyers don’t actually believe that cover up BS. It’s a common defence tactic and it worked here. Propaganda campaign has influenced this trial. Lots of gullible people.
@@Jack-bc5xgSo you're one of the people that disregards evidence to hold onto their initial beliefs
The brother, Paul, clearly told Karen, "I'm not done with you yet," which sounds like a threat imo.
Yes a threat.This could have been Paul when he had his accident.Karen bailed him out.
Yes!! My thoughts exactly ‘a threat
@@LEABEE2329such a good point! He’s allowed to be upset that his brother is gone but don’t be a hypocrite.
PO was convicted of DUI, horrific accident!!!
@@LEABEE2329Yes he forgets where he came from.
The O’Keefe family should 100% blame the Canton police for not doing their job and not doing a good investigation! Period!
They did. They got rid of the dog, changed their phones, hid evidence against them, and framed her.
Absolutely. It was a total failure. It’s a sad situation to go with a very sad investigation.
Not 100% Canton police. I think it's an equal blame across Canton PD, Mass State Troopers & DAs office!
@@KKonUA-cam oh, definitely not, I agree. But it began with the shoddy investigation. If it had been done correctly by the right people we would likely have more answers. Unless someone that knows the truth starts talking we will just never know what really happened bc of the lack of evidence.
Here’s the plea deal they will probably offer.. “ Please don’t sue us for malicious prosecution, and we will not retry this case” 😂
My son is a police officer and a really good one and I'm supportive of the police and even I can see how terribly corrupt this entire investigation was. It's mind-boggling that there is a hung jury.
Thank you for seeing the truth.
They got to at least 1 person in the jury. That’s what is being said around here. I’m local to all this.
I have a cousin in law enforcement who is also one of the good ones.
I saw the corruption and bs in this straight away.
More juice for the fbi now!!!
What does your son think about this case?
"Hey we found a new tail light piece" LOLLLL Sounds about par for the course here
I still want to know how a lens cover can bite that arm.
As a former UK police officer and having watched much of this trial , I missed the part of how Karen Reads car inflicted dog bites on Mr OKeefe’s arm , didn't manage to bruise any of his body or bounce his body into the air for hours in between Karen dropping him off , him not being on the lawn when the snow plough driver went past but then landed after that when he was found, it's all BS , the cops did it and have tried to cover it up , a friend of the cops should not have been in charge of this case , he was never going to find any of his friends were responsible , Karen was the ' patsy' , she wasn't in ' the circle'
SERIOUSLY. That's the one thing that really sticks out to me - NO BRUISING. I literally bumped into a door the other day and have a massive bruise on my arm. How does a 1000lb car traveling at 24mph not leave a bruise????
All of us in MA county need to vote Michael Morrissey OUT in April. Is there anything else MA residents can do to voice our opinion on tax payer money to prosecute?
Reach out to your state representatives? Laws can be changed at State level.
If you live there you can send a letter saying they are wasting tax money ..
Do a letter drive to the prosecutor's office. They are only doing this to save face, if you prove to them its political suicide by FLOODING their office with letters from *LOCAL voters, all telling them to stop wasting their time and money, they'll listen. I don't know if you have any way to get a lot of people on board but if you do, get on that horn. Emailing could work too, you could try doing a petition online or door to door. Any way that you can get a lot of local names, and I mean a lot, to sign on saying that this is not what they agree to, it'll make a difference. But in that area, I really don't know if I would want to do cold calls in person, it doesn't seem safe.
Norfolk County in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, not MA County! Get your facts straight.
@@luannae.devenis1154does this affect you personally? So rude for no reason
PETER: I HOPE YOU READ THIS!
NEW MEMBER! I'm an old, retired combat vet-turned criminal defense atty/State - Fed prosecutor/ magistrate/ Law School Prof (JD, SJD, PhD.) Criminal Law, Constitutional Law, Constitutional History.
Been watching and listening to you for a while. Clearly, you've been blessed to have a legal scholar such as your dad to mentor you personally and professionally.
Here's what I've been getting "sniffs" of... The FBI investigation began as a relatively limited exercise looking into local police/ prosecutorial misconduct.
NOW it's become a full-blown, major RICO investigation.
The group of people I've been half-seriously referring to as "The McAlbert Crime Family," or the "McAlbert Mafia," it seems, REALLY ARE!!
Often in RICO cases, a single event is the thread leading to a growing, interwoven web.
Also: in my experience, and I suspect here as well, at least ONE of the people involved, and who's "disposable" to the family/ lifelong friends circle and KNOWS he'll be their Fall Guy has ALREADY flipped and is now a cooperating witness, along with a few other local thugs they associate with.
I also suspect we'll start seeing federal arrests within the next few weeks. It'll be difficult to re-try this case if most of the prosecution witnesses (and other actors in this farce) are in Federal lockup.
Further, the prosecution's case -- IF they actually re- try this -- will weaken. The defense will be stronger.
In criminal law, it's usual for a DA to make a statement like was made today about a retrial. However, any way you slice it, this case will ALWAYS be corrupted. They'll stall, talk tough, etc., but then they'll quietly drop it a few months from now. Usually the face-saving reason is "new evidence" or something similar.
N.B.: "I'm not done with you yet," or whatever Paul O'Keefe said to Karen, in this situation IS a Terroristic Threat.
Lally comes across as a narcissistic douche bag who will do anything to win. But if his witnesses start getting arrested, I don’t see him retrying this case. But I hope we eventually find out who killed John, because it wasn’t Karen IMO.
However, my sympathy for John’s family in particular his brother is rapidity going away, because they should have seen that something wasn’t right about this by now.
@@dianasmith8248is the brother pissed because now the kids are with him and his wife who is also no treat!
If the witnesses are in federal lockup, I believe the court still has the authority to order their appearance, and the feds would have to facilitate that. Now, one might imagine it might hurt the credibility of the witness, if it came out that they are serving a jail sentence for their behavior on the very case in front of the jury. But, most of them ought to have close to zero credibility anyway.
What I said!! NOW THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON CANTON PD AND STATE TROOPERS AND HIGGINS, who turned?
Get em FBI
@@gingerhickerson5792 That could be part of it.
Considering how the entire investigation was impeached, I find it incredible that the jury has not exonerated Karen Read. I wonder how many of the Jurors know the Alberts and the police department?
I am so disappointed in this outcome , I can admit I do find it crazy for “everyone” to have been in on the coverup. But the CW did not prove their case and his injuries are just not consistent with being hit by a car, in my opinion.
@@mariestelsalas1082 75% of the commonwealth witnesses lied. I think that's enough for a conspiracy.
Not “everyone” has to be in on it.. just one maybe 2 need to stage evidence and let the rest play out honestly and regularly based on the evidence they seen
Me too. It was proved his injuries were not from a car accident. I think Mass State Police messed with the taillight, took Brian Albert/McCabe’s word instead of investigating…plus were all around embarrassingly bad at their jobs.
After watching this I am not sure who killed John or how.
Its tunnel vision once KR was suspected all investigators went all in ignoring anything contrary and went with mcalberts version
The coverup is relevant. The FBI experts said it was impossible that the car hit him. It ends right there.
I cant understand how they can find her guilty when all the experts said he was not hit by a car. Furthermore according yo the digital evidence, she was in Johns wifi by 12.36 and according to the key cycles the car was in the police custody when It reverse at 24 miles/h.
Let's see what they say next time around.
There was also an expert who said she was hit by the car.
@@jackiemyers2773I’m not sure you can call trooper Paul an “expert”
@@jackiemyers2773trooper Paul is not an expert. He is just a guy who took some classes and passed an exam, he also sounded like an absolute fool on the stand.
Who backs up going 24 mph? That's pretty fast. If she was backing up that fast then she probably killed him.
This is disappointing and disturbing. If it was a different Judge, I’d ask for a bench trial but not with Bev. Also, I would Subpoena Nicole to find the location in Vermont to test Chloe. The dog would testify better then all of Lally’s witnesses.
Unfortunately, it seems more and more like Chloe was euthanized after that rescue wouldn’t take her. Speculation though.
They swear they know where Chloe is, “if she were to be needed “ so I wonder if they could ?! or has it been too long?
@@Pr3ttyGiirlALWAYS I recall someone ( EDB or Peter I THINK) saying it was to late to get the dog in this trial once the defense learned about Chloe's current whereabouts. However, in a new trial I believe if the dog hasn't been euthanized they could attempt to get teeth impressions, photos, ECT. Hopefully they don't put the dog down tomorrow. 😡
Bottom of the filled-in pool? "Sent to the farm"...how many children have been given that euphemism
They probably had her euthanized just in case
As a person who always has comments made about my expressions, I'm tired of hearing about the way she looks. Her expression is her expression. I don't think it is a smirk, I think it's just her face.
Same. If I don't smile I have RBF lol.
Yes she definitely has RBF not her fault 🙈
Yessss. I’m seeing so many comments about that. It’s scary to think they want her convicted of murder bc she looks smug, smirked, smiled,etc and they just don’t like her. Unbelievable.
Agreed, I’m “always mad” …but I’m not it’s just my face 😐
She has a very special future where ever she will be, because She stood up to this corruption and the town that wants the change are her supporters, She can’t forget her supporters from all over, they already breath through her.
To the juror or jurors that didn’t vote not guilty, 🤦♀️ WTF
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Welcome!!
I’m in shock! HOW can they be divided if they actually listened to the evidence?!? How???
I just don't see how anyone voting guilty, especially after multiple experts, AND logic, saying JOK could not have been hit by a car, is "reasonable". It is far from reasonable to assign greater weight to circumstantial evidence vs. expert testimony and medical evidence. This is absolutely insane and scary to see, and should concern anyone, guilty or not, who is a defendant in a criminal trial.
Maybe Peter was right in saying that the defense should have emphasized reasonable doubt, instead of trying to get there through conspiracy. Can you imagine how infuriating it must have been to see all the reasonable doubt clearly and then have other people not willing to acknowledge it?
@@aspencreston purpose!! $$$$
I spoke with my husband about it. Mind you, he didn’t watch the trial but he went off what he read and what he heard from me. His best guess is that some Jurors trust police more, so they found their evidence and testimony more credibly. They aren’t supposed to, and our told not to, but they do it anyway.
And I agree on that, if you believe Proctor was trustworthy in his investigation, and their experts were trustworthy because the cops use them, then I can see how you get to guilty. BUT, and I told my husband this, my mind CANNOT get around all the inconsistencies and the laughable expert of Trooper Paul’s testimony, and the ME not leaning to one option than the other.
@@aspencrest I totally agree. I thought from the beginning that defense strategy may have been too aggressive and far reaching. It takes a lot for people to believe a massive cover up and I thought for sure in closing they’d explain the reasonable doubt standard a little better. However, I do think the 3rd party culpability theory was probably necessary to some extent for them to argue and present evidence for.
@@rachelann9362 EXACTLY on the ME and trooper Paul. That’s why I feel like it’s so unreasonable to deem LE’s testimony was credible just because of their profession. Because when confronted with evidence, they all ended up with their foot in their mouth.
it’s so sad how brainwashed the family is i hope the finds proof so they can stop accusing karen
The longer this goes on, the harder it will be for them when they finally realise 😥
They are in the blue line gang. They are cult members
10 guilty 2 Ng - not brained washer like the pink FJK parade
I agree. I also found out that Paul O’Keefe hit someone while drunk with his car apparently going 24mph but it looked like a higher speed imo and the person he hit who was also in their car now has permanent damage(he may be paralysed but I could be wrong). Karen bailed Paul out. This really shocked me because this was only about a year before John passed and Paul clearly knows the damage a car can do to someone’s body now a imagine hitting a person directly not even the car they are in. I’m becoming more suspicious of Paul and the way he is acting given his past.
It’s people like you that are brainwashed. Karen’s own defence don’t actually believe that cover up crap. Their tactic worked here.
Convicting the wrong person is not providing Justice for John O'Keefe or his family
I agree 100%
It is wild to me that the jury struggled on a case that was so cut and dry! There was so much reasonable doubt and the CW didn’t even prove that OJO was hit by a car… therefore it should have been not guilty on all counts imho. Thank you Peter for discussing all of this from a legal perspective.
💗 I always learn so much from you. 💞
Why is more emphasis not put on the dog being gotten rid of, basement being redone and house being sold?
The judge wouldn't let it in.
I’m a little confused about how the jurors continued to discuss their fundamental beliefs and morals while deliberating...
I thought cases were tried on LAW and not feelings.
Exactly!
The morality of not choosing guilty when u think she is because the cw did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt, doing the moral thing of quitting her
I'm stuck on this too. Doesn't seem like they understand their job as a juror.
@@gingerhickerson5792and on the other side, if I felt she was not guilty, based on the evidence, then I could not morally just switch my vote to "guilty" just to appease the fellow jurors
Honestly does no one understand how the process works- IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY a BELEIF- do you BELIEVE the states evidence proves the defendent is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you BELEIVE it does than you will MORALLY have an issue with aquitting them, if you BELEIVE it does not than you will MORALLY have an issue with finding them guilty. The MORAL principles of finding a person you BELIEVE potentially innocent guilty, aquitting a person a person you BELIEVE is guioty beyond a reasonable doubt inevitably conflict. I truly dont understand everyone saying "beleifs morals omg what its "e.v.i.d.e.n.c.e" - how do you JUDGE THE EVIDENCE without you know YOUR OWN JUDGEMENT. There is no way to determine guilt without EVALUATING the evidence in your own mind, and PEOPLE will DISAGREE about how to evaluate these things & what they suggest.
I am 68 years old and more cynical of our legal system than I used to be. There is reasonable doubt all over the place. BTW, Being pro or anti police should not influence one’s view of facts presented.
💯 agree. At this point we have feelings police and enforcer's. Cause if they judged real facts they would have voted not guilty. Or they are intimidated and/or paid off
What moral compass are they living by? Back all cops?
I think there’s jurors who couldn’t decide with moral certainty that there was police corruption and that’s what in their mind they had to accept, to give a not guilty.
No morals
COURT TV REPORTED 10 GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS
It's not about them and their morals. It's about evidence and justice.
Ole Bev tried her best to get the jury to put the defendant in jail! Thank goodness some people would not go along with the injustice.
Think about how many people plead guilty to crimes they didn't commit because they couldn't retain a good counsel for 2, 9wk trials. I can't even advocate for justice for John O'Keefe while this injustice is happening live. This is preventable!
This judge should recuse herself.
No reasonable prosecutor would bring this trial again... then again, no reasonable prosecutor would have brought this trial in the first place.
marcus
Agreed! But now they have to have a retrial because it was deadlocked, right? I wonder if it can (at this point) be thrown out --like it should have been before it even went to trial. Maybe this was answered already.
Here in MA our prosecutors suck!
I agree with you but they have already told the press they're going to retry this.
@@GoSheepiere-trial is the choice of the DA’s office - they can choose not to go back to court.
They will be retrying this
After Paul Okeefe's behavior yelling to Karen while she was hugging her family and his wife scolding him afterwards saying "Stop it" to him, he should be banned from being in the courtroom and should be forced to watch the trial from home. Unacceptable! They should be sitting behind her just like her family. Next trial have her family be in constant view of the camera like they had this trial.
There is no cure for stupid and ignorant. The brother is terminal in that matter.
The fact that lousy lally brought this to trial 1x tells you he'll bring it a 2nd time. Hes delusional. I hope hes being investigated as well.
This all feels like a prosecution of the wrong person, to protect & serve prior & current corrupt police. A supposedly victim hit by a car with no bruising as opposed to being jumped & struck with a bat or other blunt object.
Punched directly in the face!!
Sold their home, got rid of the dog, wiped their phones, lied continually, police purgered themselves when lying about sallyport video and never touching the right side of the vehicle by tailgate!!
The laws of physics live outside the realm of moral convictions.
Right! Do people know how good FBI crime scene analyst are?
What a waste of tax money. She never should have gone to trial in the first place. The jury is just a reflection of everyone weighing in on this case. It was always going to be a hung jury. I hope they just drop the charges and let her live her life. Unless someone comes forward with the truth. We may never know what really happened to John.
And also KR's money. So sad in every way.
FBI needs to get going now!!
What about our state police and local police being corrupt? What is going to happen to clean house? 😡
There are not enough jurors left in Massachusetts with moral beliefs that will serve in future !! Everyone in the world knows the case !!
That´s not true. My husband spoke with his friend yesterday and told him I follow this case, and the friend never heard of it. He lives in Karens area.
Not everyone follows law tube or true crime
@@spalanki352Apparently he doesn’t watch the news. I don’t know how anyone in the area could be unaware of the case ! I can see them not following it, but not hearing about it is shocking to me.
@@spalanki352yes lots of people in my county haven't heard of it.
Defense needs an expert to go thru key cycles. AJ started this with Trooper Paul. From my rough count, Paul's analysis was wrong and the 24mph in reverse did not line up with JOK drop off
How anyone could find the CW surpassed the burden of proof based on the evidence put forward is beyond me 🤯
I can't believe that anyone would think she was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Are they seeing the same things I am seeing?
The retrial should be in a different jurisdiction far away from that town.
There should be a transcript of this private meeting. To prevent the judge finding out what the issues were and passing that info to the prosecution, to help their strategy for the next trial .
So….a few people on the jury didn’t actually follow directions and instead went “with their gut.” Got it.
Exactly. So gross they did that!
I was on a jury once and had to explain this to some other jurors and it actually helped them realize they needed to go based solely on the evidence, or lack thereof and we got to an unanimous non guilty verdict. I was very young at the time I served and so glad I understood that and others listened to me with an open mind. ❤
I never want to see an Albert on TV or anywhere other than a jail cell.
Can the defense come back and use the FBI and bite expert to their full potential instead of the judge putting restrictions on them....unlike trooper Paul
This is what got me. She limited the testimony knowing it would hurt the prosecutors. Yet trooper Paul was up there talking about so much stuff he never should have been allowed to. Defense would object and she'd "I'll allow that"
The Canton Police Chief can be called this time!
It really would be nice to have a whole new judge.
My husband could sit in jury. If I asked him now about this trial, he wouldn’t know what I was talking about 🤣
I live in Massachusetts and I'm amazed that they didn't find her not guilty even when the expert defense witness said that the victim was NOT hit by a car. I'm thinking that the jury wasn't selected carefully enough and some of the jurors already had their minds made up before the trial.
You don't have to trust an expert. Especially not a defense one, jurors are likely to assume bias there. Plus, the "I hit him" statements didn't help either, whether they happened or not.
@@neues3691the 2 guys were hired by the feds to do the accident reconstructionist and not thae defense.
This has to escalate, so much damage done through ignorance and entitlement. Congratulations on your voice reaching such heights. I admire the strength of karen read. Accountability mist be investigated.
Trooper Michael Proctor, lead investigator in Karen Read investigation, relieved of duty. Finally!!
Not soon enough& not strong enough!
People seriously saw the corruption plain as day and INDEED listened to Lally and turned the other way. Shame on them.
I think Lally will change his mind about another trial. He's already looking like a fool... plus taxpayers there won't appreciate it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Commonwealth receives pushback from the state (the Gov has announced her displeasure with the cops on the case) and/or the federal government since the FBI are doing their own investigation. I agree that they may say they will be retrying her now (to save face), but wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t bring the case to trial again.
What a waste of money and Lally immediately commits to another fiasco . Clearly it shouldn’t have happened to begin with. The police failed a fellow officer at a thorough investigation. I can’t help but wonder why?
@@hollystanton8728we all know why!
Lally is a stooge who does what he is told.
What a horrible disappointment. Even with the obvious display of corruption in the police department, especially Proctor, it wasn't enough for a not guilty. I really don't think I can handle another trial if Bev is still the judge, her behaviour was deplorable.
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I’ve been thinking about this for a while … do people think Trooper Paul was put up as an ‘expert’ because no other expert would testify that JOK was hit by a car and they figured someone with ‘training’ is better than no one?
Hard to believe someone would be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that it was murder.
I'm convinced it was murder, I'm just not convinced it was Karen who did it. I'm convinced that he was not hit by a car and I'm also convinced that the lead investigator was biased in favor of other place and did not properly investigate them. Everything I'm convinced of could be right and she could still have been the murderer but I don't think the prosecution did a good enough job to convince me of that
At this point the purpose of a change would be to eliminate the intimidation factor by the Abbots and McCabe's. They even weren't afraid to do it in court during closing arguments.
Screw that if they're going to charge her with DUI every one of those people in that house should be charged also
Well, she obviously chose one of the lawyers as foreman. As a history teacher i wouldn't have used the vocabulary in that note to the judge. That's someone who writes to the court regularly
Or another juror helped him write it, provided insights especially if a lawyer. I also wouldn't have written it so eloquently 😂
I’m a former English teacher, and I agree. At least one juror works or worked in the legal field. The language is specialized.
What a waste of money!! Karen is innocent and you will never find 12 for guilty
The case was over charged, another error
They did that to get before Bev. Without that charge it was a different judge.
The CW was mad that KR wouldn't accept a plea deal on a lessor charger.
I am worried about the comment John’s brother made to Karen. Should she fear for her well being?
She should file a protection order against him and his wife
Pretty sure, in that context, it just meant that he was going to continue pushing the DA to retry until she is found guilty.
@@gingerhickerson5792 (I'm) not done with you. Not they or we which can be taken as he alone will be taking some type of action against her. Personally I would fear for my well being.
As an Australian, I read some of the comments about KR’s facial expressions and demeanour and think of the famous ‘dingo ate my baby’ case. Lindy and Michael Chamberlain were judged incredibly harshly by the media because they didn’t react how people thought they ‘should’, because Lindy didn’t cry publicly about her daughter. And yet evidence proved her innocent of any crime.
I’d hate to think that we’re 40 years down the track and still deciding someone’s validity based on their facial expressions or emotions.
Especially with her medical issues, which could play a big part of her piggyback reactions& expression.
@@KKonUA-cam I don’t know much about MS but I don’t know if it affects people’s behaviour, other than through fatigue or stress.
His brother Paul seems like a very angry man, I get it, but…
Very angry and explosive. I think it’s not fair for him to show that during verdict and I feel for his wife right now esp
@@alexandrawhite6931 I thought the same thing! Like what’s it going to like when they get home 😬
@@alexandrawhite6931 also, he was glaring at Karen with daggers the whole trial. Do think the jurors saw that, and considered that?
And ignorant to the evidence
@barbarabell8674 Oh for sure! And the mcalberts show up and sit by the family? What effect did that have?
I am sooo excited to see what the FBI publishes and what happens then with Proctor, Bukkake and Lolly 😮
Breaking News around 6:00pm the news announced that Proctor was dismissed from being a detective at the D A’ s office…he was not fired but he’s being transferred to another Police dept and they are doing an internal investigation
It's unreal to me that one person would find anyone guilty of murder and beyond a reasonable doubt for hitting someone when that's not how they died. 😮😮😮 just shows how unpredictable and reasonable a jury of your peers can be
To be fair, Aunt Bev wouldn't let them know that the defense's accident reconstructionist was independently hired by FBI. Otherwise, I suspect that even Proctor would've had to have voted NG. Now that lots and lots of people know what's up, KR should walk next time. But we'll see whether the Canton mafia works its magic behind the scenes.
"some" doesn't mean anything to me, they could not want to throw anyone under the bus so they just say some instead of saying "one person" .
That poor lady. Can't believe she has to go through that ALL OVER AGAIN. Wtf Massachusetts??💔
She looked so devastated throughout the trial didn’t she, all those tears. I dunno how she held up with all those remorse and empathy for the okeefes
@@lottieeliza6699 She did look devastated. People keep complaining about her facial expressions, but how is your face supposed to look when you are on trial for murder and you've been set up?? My face would definitely be doing all kinds of weird things. I'd be a hot mess.
🥲🥲 God Bless Mrs O’Keefe
I don't think Jackson was happy. I believe he thought he was going to get a Not Guilty.
The note said "some people" believe guilty, could be 2 or 3. Still feel like it was majority not guilty.
The great majority IMO
Agreed. I also wouldn’t take the foreman’s note as accurate frankly.
Regardless..she was not found innocent.
Will the FBI come in on the next trial for Karen?
The FBI could render the next trial obsolete if it starts charging these corrupt shysters as they should be charged for corruption, and eventually the commonwealth will have no case to present
@@gingerhickerson5792 yep, if Proctor is up on Federal charges there is no way they go to trial again.
I think the CW will be hard pressed to find jurors that will stand with his side at a re- trial. You were even able to tell by going outside and seeing the amount of people standing up for KR.
Mr. Lally needs to concede that he's lost a case that never should've been tried in the first place.
I don’t know if it’s the most retrials ever, but Curtis Flowers was tried 6 times for a quadruple homicide he didn’t commit in Mississippi. The prosecution was relentless in trying to get charges to stick. Some ended in mistrials and some ended in conviction, all of which were overturned, ultimately by the Supreme Court. He was held on death row for 20 years because of an over-zealous prosecutor, who stacked the deck against him. These things happen every day in our country. The news just doesn’t report on it.
Her attitude was absolutely understandable. I would be furious as well if I was falsely accused not by mistake but by design. She's not an actress.
what i take from that case is that some of the jurors are pretty ok with the police corruption's going on down in Canton..perfect example of a case for never getting judged by a group of your peers...
Trying to prove corruption from the defense side was never going to slide with the entire jury
Corruption or not in their beliefs is ok but the fact they impeached every lying witness and idiot "experts" that quoted medical when not qualified vs the best experts that were hired by the actual FBI and given to the defense. Listen a lil bit of smoke doesn't indicate a fire but when the entire building is filled with smoke and you can feel the heat then there is no mistake, it is a damned raging inferno type 🔥
May the OKeefe family find peace and find the to grieve in private.
Having lost people for me the grief doesn’t go away I just learnt to live with it.RIP OFFICER John ❤️
I thought the judges' tone revealed more frustration than appreciation for the jurors' efforts.
I’d really like to know those who believe KR is guilty despite:
1) Proctor
2)Significant shards of taillight Not belonging to SUV
3) Ring camera video shows SUV striking JO vehicle- explains damaged tail light
4) Video evidence showed tail light damage B4 returning to Fairfield Ave
5) SERT shoulder to shoulder search yet continued but “evidence kept showing up -not properly mapped where
6) crime scene not mapped out as its always done w/these investigations
7) why NOT one LE went into nor spoke w/homeowners? Why? Evidence of texts by Proctor showed why.
8) why did Fairfield homeowners IMMEDIATELY re-home their dog after YEARS of having it? who did they give the dog to? Why did no one ever track down dog?
9) Why did homeowners coordinate w/others @ who were at Fairfield that night after tip off of FBI investigation if no tip off abt FBI - delete cell phone data, destroyed their phones + SIM card & delete phone data & did this all asap
10) Why did they show inverted video then @ cross immediately advised it was mirrored & reversed showing Proctor & others spending time at the taillight & rear of SUV?
11) Why does that footage show a person appear out of nowhere in video? Video seems tampered with.
12) How can you believe she’s guilty after hearing experts saying SUV didn’t & couldn’t have struck him?
13) There was NO injuries from the neck down, nothing on chest or abdomen. NO blood, body tissue, clothing found on rear of SUV let alone damage to SUV. When someone’s struck by vehicle there’s dents & blood etc.
14) Expert witnesses explained the PHYSICS why SUV didn’t hit him. CW put someone NOT qualified & speculating that SUV struck him which defies physics.
15) did anyone nor yourself consider putting into context why KR said she hit him. Did you consider she was saying that as a question? trying to reconcile what happened? She’s trying in her mind to figure out how this happened. Then realized/discovered there was nothing on SUV showing impact w/him.
16) Evidence of timeline show CW’s timeline wrong. KR was at home at 12:34? I believe…
17) during a blizzard no way any debris - such as a glass would be left on SUV even after being towed. No way a hair could also be on SUV & if so JO was in & out of SUV soooo many times before.
Please those who feel she’s guilty I’m seriously trying to figure out why you feel there’s NO doubt - beyond a reasonable doubt NOT based on emotions, speculation how she could’ve struck him, NOT because you believe she’s a b**** or any type of personality you feel she has, and NOT because you feel all defendants are guilty & ALL defense attorneys and their experts are all there just to create doubt so you automatically disregard them & their experts - you need to listen to their complete testimonies. Just focus on the facts and evidence as presented at trial- if you found yourself as a juror. Please advise why you stand by your Guilty stance
Remember legally “Not Guilty” doesn’t mean “Innocent” it just means there wasn’t enough evidence to show “Guilt beyond a reasonable doubt”
Please help me understand your reasoning, honesty- not being snarky or anything just looking for some understanding.
I would LOVE a response to this. Brilliantly put.
Yes! Let’s find Chloe!
What stands out to me is that when someone says she's guilty, they talk about what she (allegedly) said when she was out of her mind with panic/grief. They talk about what she looks like.
When people say she's not guilty, they talk about the state of John's body, expert testimony, and actual evidence.
I think if certain jurors didn't believe there wasnt a coverup as the defense suggested then her taillight is what will have been the deciding factor. Pieces at the scene, some that were found by the SERT team none at Johns home where she backed into his car and pieces of them in his clothing.
@@rainy2090 I guess I'll never understand that. Trusting something that could have been altered (tail light) over something that cannot be altered (John's injuries) is wild to me.
But at least that's an argument over proper evidence, which is a big step up from "I hit him."
I vote for a different judge.
I want to hear from the jurors voting guilty SO BAD
"nope"
I would rather hear from the ones that voted not guilty because the ones that voted guilty clearly are not thinking 😐
Apparently the foreperson is an old canton city cop. So that’s probably the hold out
@@astrialindah2773 I'm not interested in people telling me what I already know 🤷♀️
@@astrialindah2773your ad hominems are showing lol.
If that is what O’keefe’s brother said to Karen, that sounds like a threat. 😮
Yep!!!!!
What did he say? 😳
@@leannabedore”I’m not done with you yet.” Not creepy at all…
It's not a direct threat. He didn't say I'm going to do this or that to you. He could have been talking about anything.
Wow, sounds like the original poster is making a threat against the victim's brother.
Or maybe neither are a threat and too many people hear with feelings instead of ears.
Give me your identification or....
Leave or be arrested......
Are police making threats when they say these things?
Extortion? Do this or else.
I'm not finished, I'm going to push to retry, I'm suing you civilly, I will keep looking for evidence......
Not threats, just information.
Stupid thing to say but given the emotions, understandable.
Laurie- why should Karen show remorse? She didn’t hit him. She’s fighting for her life here. Her facial expressions are irrelevant. However, John’s brother’s menacing glower is intimidating. John OKeefe met a terrible end. All should feel sorrow.
“And pray that they don’t” with a roll of the eyes… when talking about them not having to call every witness that they called this time again- so funny! Loved the facial expression- literally what every human is thinking!
If nothing else at least this puts all these liars on notice that not everyone is buying into their evil.
If I were running the defense for a retrial, I'd fight like hell to keep the Aruba witnesses and narrative out of the courtroom.
A verbal spat a month before John's death that ended with the pair still together is utterly irrelevant. It is character evidence far more prejudicial than probitive and ought to have been ruled out pretrial.
I’m absolutely baffled , if jurors don’t understand forensic evidence they shouldn’t be on a jury , yes it was a long complicated trial but the last witnesses were clear and credible
Yes..she is innocent..stay strong Miss Read.
I'm so disappointed
I think if anyone in the jury sees that there is an FBI investigation (and that THAT is where some of the witnesses came from), we’ll have jurors compelled to speak out!
The dog bite expert is Garrett Wing. He was born into a family of police dog trainers and has a decades long career of training them. Melanie Little had him on as a guest where he spoke about John's injuries. He'd be a great witness, imo.
If it goes to trial again can they take out the footage that was reversed or do they have to put the same evidence up for the next jury.
I was curious about that too!
If neither lawyer wants to introduce it, then it won't be put into evidence. If both sides are willing to stipulate to entering in the video after fixing the reverse, then that will happen. If Lally doesn't want to get hammered again, he'd just let the corrected video be what gets shown.
@@zirconiumdiamond1416 yes I would think Lally would prefer not to put it in but showing the jury that it was originally put in while reversed helped to show some kind of coverup . This was one of the footage that had me believe the cops were trying to set Karen up. I hope they have to use it the same way. This trial is going to take forever now.