Really enjoy how you explain your thought process and reasoning behind stuff being good/bad/whatever. Very excited to see whether frost or fire is going to be better. Love the videos!
Would be cool if Blizzard would distinguish the mage specs in their damage profile. Arcane big burst, fire frequent burst, frost high consistent damage.
99% of people who disagree with having a balanced profile in M+ didn't get title and have 0 relevant information to share. Good vid, can't wait for this to go live. I've been spending way too much time on PTR messing with frost and fire.
Lovely Video Toegrinder, I have a question though, and appologies if I did not get it yet from your explanation. Both in Single Target as AOE, would you now advice to take glacial spike in the build and rotation? is it now going to be part of the normal rotation? To give some perspective I stoped playing wow after 10.0.5 so totally missed the initial small 10.1 update, thanks a lot!
How is this going to affect stat weights for frost this patch? Not sure if you looked into that with sims... I just remember last time Glacial spike was prominent in BFA you ran vers/mastery and kind of ignored haste
I've been wondering this since I saw the mass invis/mass barrier talents: do other people also get benefit from incantation of swiftness/diverted energy when you barrier/invis them?
Any reason why you haven't included voodoo doll in the trinket sims? I finally got it to drop and its definitely bis for me in pure single target. Thanks for the content!
i think because it would sim almost identically in every set of talents . so no matter what talents u get, you get the dmg from your doll. so simming without it focusses more on the changed of dps due to talents and not the trinket itself.
i think the rework is an upgrade compared to 10.1. which first of all is good. but i am still not that happy with the result, i hoped for a rework in the same manner as with ret paladins. i rerolled from mage to ret in 10.1 i don't regret it a single second. but maybe it's just me, i hate CDR and heave uptime specs, and yes IP is finally gone, which is very good, but TV is still here. for fire, if SKB won't be the way to go, fire will take frost old space in being extremely uptime dependent due having 2 talents with with uptime= cdr. and since arcane will remain moreless the same, currently i wont return to mage, although my most hated abilities with RoP is finally gone.
Right now it is completely bullshit the mage and I suspect that because of how the game has become and they op classes on purpose for diff metas, mage is no longer worth playing anymore.
Talent builds and Sims may change. Main focus of this video is on frosts kit and playability in raids and m+
Coldest snap wasnt working in this video, I'd recommend it over Ray/GS. Nothing else changes in the video
@@Toegrinder I'm assuming this is in AoE only and ray/gs is still the play in ST, yeah?
@@grovpie yes
Is water elemental now baseline for frost?
idk about frost but my marriage is saved for sure! thanks mr grinder!
Really enjoy how you explain your thought process and reasoning behind stuff being good/bad/whatever. Very excited to see whether frost or fire is going to be better. Love the videos!
Thankfully Frost seems to be a good spec again going forward, nice work Toegrinder!
Thanks alot Toegrinder!!! I am a Frost main and an looking forward to this, I hope things keep trending towards the positive
Thanks for the overview, that's exactly what I was looking for!
Thanks for all of the insights - will be looking forward to your assessment of Arcane!
Would be cool if Blizzard would distinguish the mage specs in their damage profile. Arcane big burst, fire frequent burst, frost high consistent damage.
I'd like this too. They removed Frost's flat profile and uptime reliance both at once which I feel was unnecessary
99% of people who disagree with having a balanced profile in M+ didn't get title and have 0 relevant information to share. Good vid, can't wait for this to go live. I've been spending way too much time on PTR messing with frost and fire.
The age of frost is now!
Lovely Video Toegrinder, I have a question though, and appologies if I did not get it yet from your explanation. Both in Single Target as AOE, would you now advice to take glacial spike in the build and rotation? is it now going to be part of the normal rotation?
To give some perspective I stoped playing wow after 10.0.5 so totally missed the initial small 10.1 update, thanks a lot!
Hey good sr, ty for this video! Which spec you think that would be a go to for us mages considering everything? I'm a CE raider and 20+ m+ player
Saved? Making us more damage in exchange for 10x harder rotation? No, it is not saved.
great vid ty
How is this going to affect stat weights for frost this patch? Not sure if you looked into that with sims... I just remember last time Glacial spike was prominent in BFA you ran vers/mastery and kind of ignored haste
A good example of requiring target swapping would be the totem on the last boss in BH. ;)
PS. What's your keyboard / switches etc? :P
Whatever corsairs main mechanical keyboard is + clicky switches
Can you please make a video like this for arcane and what do you think about in m+
I've been wondering this since I saw the mass invis/mass barrier talents: do other people also get benefit from incantation of swiftness/diverted energy when you barrier/invis them?
Has this changed since you made this video? I dont see anyone recommending Ray line for M+ at all
On mage hub would be great when 10.1.5 comes to have a talent preset for your preference m+ and a pad preset/overall pad bait preset
Magehub isn’t intended to teach you how to pad mindlessly but how to play the spec most efficient.
Any reason why you haven't included voodoo doll in the trinket sims? I finally got it to drop and its definitely bis for me in pure single target. Thanks for the content!
i think because it would sim almost identically in every set of talents . so no matter what talents u get, you get the dmg from your doll. so simming without it focusses more on the changed of dps due to talents and not the trinket itself.
Are you doing fire mage updates it looks brutal
Ty toe. Will u update ur mage-hub page with this changes soon?
itll be updated before patch
@@Toegrinder < 24 hours before patch
Do we try to SP twice before reset or do we go for max dam and sp after veins ends?
I think GS might not be better on ST, but definitely fort 2T.
i think the rework is an upgrade compared to 10.1. which first of all is good. but i am still not that happy with the result, i hoped for a rework in the same manner as with ret paladins. i rerolled from mage to ret in 10.1 i don't regret it a single second. but maybe it's just me, i hate CDR and heave uptime specs, and yes IP is finally gone, which is very good, but TV is still here. for fire, if SKB won't be the way to go, fire will take frost old space in being extremely uptime dependent due having 2 talents with with uptime= cdr. and since arcane will remain moreless the same, currently i wont return to mage, although my most hated abilities with RoP is finally gone.
Our Sim dps is much higher against targets that can be frozen tho
But mobs that can be frozen are usually just non elites pad damage
@@SNSTR Exactly my point. but people will see that im sims and bitch about being OP
Do you think Arcane will be more viable?
Arcane is quite good but it's still target capped in 2023
@@Toegrinder do you think that will chamge with the next patch?
They should reintroduce the choice node with water ele and lonely winter but make the water ele the reworked version
not its not saved its actually nerfed. WTF are you all smoking?
Man i really hope it stays that way, to not pickup glacial spike for m+. Please lord, i don't want that spell to exist :D.
He doesn't recommend that. Highest aoe build gives up GS, but that hurts it's boss damage alot. Your gonna be playing GS to be optimal this patch.
Right now it is completely bullshit the mage and I suspect that because of how the game has become and they op classes on purpose for diff metas, mage is no longer worth playing anymore.