my respect for you and rob just went through the roof on the way you two conversed and went through the experimental process. especially how rob knew the outcome but allowed you to discover on your own then inputting various ways to tweak the process for various applications. this is how true apprenticeships should run. hats off to you both
Just want to commend Luke on a really well done video, so nice to see his presentation skills getting better and better every video. Also, Rob, good job on taking the opportunity for an impromptu teaching moment, and it's a nice twist to leave that in the end of the video, rather than rewrite or add it into the script. I hope your mentor-student relationship stays honest and transparent to your viewers. It's a healthy environment for everyone to benefit from.
Rob and you have developed into such a dream team, Luke. Observing both your trust in and fun with each other is pleasant to see and also contagious! 🥰🧫👍 Thank you both for sharing and spreading your vast creativity! 💭💡❗
Awesome idea! I once had an idea that boosted the thermal output of my wood stove quite a bit. I used a large sheet of expanded aluminum (it's like sharp floor grating used for traction, except it's aluminum) and I folded/wrapped it around the chimney pipe. It emanates and stores extra heat that would normally go up and out the chimney, it also creates a safety barrier to keep someone from touching a normally 500 degree chimney.
I'm for the first time training a apprentace . 32 years in the trade. I adopt the same style with him. Always answer his questions. Never put down. Give reasons for processes and be patient. Let them make mistakes.
Custom heated 3D printer base or heated enclosure would be an awesome application for this. Many of the 3D printer build plates don't heat evenly across the whole surface so you can get curling at the edges when printing an object that goes across the whole plate.
If you paint it on a substrate that normally acts as a heat sink then the ink heating up quickly could be balanced out by the heat sink properties of the material it is painted on. Still I would say that you did a fantastic job creating a simple heater unit that is portable and effective. Well done, and I look forward to the future videos.
Lovely chat, love it. I am amazed about the applications with this superconductive ink. Next step is to apply it to surfaces that are basically in a room already. I mean can you apply a strip of conductive ink to a window blind (horizontally or vertically) and use it as a big radiator to emit heat of 45 degrees or more? Can it be fabric or does it have to be some sort of heat-resistant plastic. Imagine having a 2 meter wide window blind with 5 cm blades all covered with ink to heat, how much current would it draw and could it be sufficient for a large room. BTW, what happens if i paint this conductive ink on a standard convector heating element usually filled with water and run by a boiler and pump. Does it work and will it transfer the heat (without the cap on temperature) to the fluid inside so the same way convection is triggered? I asked me this over and over, why not paint on a convector element. Best of both worlds. Radiating heat and convection.
You're a lucky bugger having the wealth of knowledge of Rob on hand. When you get a few years older you'll have knowledge not found in many blokes your age.
Oh my this is perfect for a diy heated printbed!! (I've got a printer with a 50x50cm printbed and the heated beds I could find in that size are expensive)
what would the resistance be if you remove the copper strip between two rungs of ink, alternating the sides. Something like this: |_______________ _______________ | |_______________ _______________ | |_______________ _______________ | |_______________ _______________ | Wouldn't that go up quite a bit?
Nice Job Luke, looks great! I wonder if I could Set up a light show through that glass, you always see some sort of fake fireplace out there, but to do it all on a piece of glass would be interesting, unfortunately for LCD like the heat so you can't do that I don't think.... Well a any case it's cool👍
Another interesting video! Has Rob been giving you lessons on innovation? You have a couple of options to "improve" the heater. Chuck a Diode inline. This would half your power consumption all on its own (half wave rectification) The second is for the next iteration (because you know you will). Reduce the width of your painted strips. Half the width half the power because you double the resistance (V/ IR) or you could increase the length of the track by doubling back on yourself and then again if you want the copper at both ends to increase the coolness! You could get creative with your patterns on this one. If you "play with electronics" there you could have a phase converter inline by using a couple of resistors and a triac or fet .... but you would need to watch interference being broadcast by the fancy ariel. TBH if you want to play the world is your mollusk on this kind of thing! ;o)
Perhaps ceramic plates would be a nice support for an ink, just thinking out loud here, isn't it possible that the acrylic leak out some toxic components when being heated also, careful with that, very interesting and cool video again good job Luke
If the ink can be sprayed on you might be able to get an even coat that's thin enough. Not sure how adding manganese dioxide would change things though.
Maybe thinner strips by using 50mm masking tape and 10mm ink strips mught be sufficient to get the resistance higher . I really like the glass perpex combo and repurposed lcd screens have both in the them the same size ready to go! I will do just that today ! 👍🏻
I baked some anthracite coal in a zero oxygen chamber and now I measure from end to end through about 2 inchs of coal a resistance of 1.8 ohms down from initial resistance readings in the Megaohms or kiloohms range, depending on where I touch my probes! If I break this coal down do you think I would have created graphene powder? Thanks!
Here's a stupid question: Given that wood ignites at ~300C, and this heater supose to stay at the 30's, why won't I just use a piece of plywood to make this heater?
I've got some slate flagstones how do I work out the pattern to a small power supply. I want to attach 12v solar panel to make storage heater of sorts.
Great video!! I wonder how this, with proper preparation of both the ink (manganese dioxide) and the subflooring (?), would perform as a radiant floor warmer?
Robert / Luke - great vid. Came here to find conductive ink after Vid # - 22-011-26. Basic question… (maybe I’m thick) ?? Could you just use more copper tape to make the “rungs” of the ladder ? Instead of making the rungs from ink. I’m sure it’s something to do with the R required. But curious. Thanks.
Ambient Room temperature please? Sorry to be the guy to ask, lol. Agreeing with other comments, great video and keep up with Rob, and Snake pattern for the win. I thought you almost had it when you did the Tick no tick part. Do I hear Painted Heater Luke style V2? Hope so!
A great revisit, gents! Coincidentally, I was doing a bit of brainstorming on TEGs, and this seems like a fantastic way to run this backwards for testing to see what you get. Either of you game for some science? 👍
The last time I can't connect with the thumb by your new articles . 1 Is this because you have do something or 2 is it another party who do so, 3 did I something not?
I say that one better than even I could come up with. Could you use the conductive ink as part of robs magnetohydrodynamic experiment? Would it be possible perhaps to paint a larger surface say a wing structure and go one better than MIT ion powered flight? Thermal convection drive prehaps? As hot air rises cold air sinks. On the same vain as thermal indifference engine. I wonder how much weight a single panel can lift? Paragliding uses convection much like birds do. that can lift a human skyward? Would it be possible to use the heater to do the same?
Rob do you think the manganese dioxide could be added directly to the existing ink or does it require adding the manganese dioxide into the intercalation of the graphite? i.e. before the ink is made.
At less than 40°C, it wasn't hot enough. The phenomenon of black body radiation happens when heating materials, at first they only give off infrared radiation but as the temperature increases they start to give off higher frequencies, moving into visible light. As an example, Electric Heater elements are roughly 600°C, and Light bulb filaments get past 2,000º C. Stars are also "black bodies", and we can tell their "temperature" from the kind of light they give off, with the red ones being colder and the blue ones being hotter.
1. Does it offgas when heated? Is there a smell n how many cycles before offgasing stops. 2. Why paint strips in glass and not paint the whole thing? 3. Can you use steel backing instead of glass , i have pets?
Hey guys, Instead of making a lather pattern why don't you make a squared spiral pattern or a Zickzack pattern with the masking tape to get more of the desired resistance. I mean if you can calculate the resistance Ω per cm per thickness then you can use a combination of patterns to achieve the desired resistance.
my respect for you and rob just went through the roof on the way you two conversed and went through the experimental process. especially how rob knew the outcome but allowed you to discover on your own then inputting various ways to tweak the process for various applications. this is how true apprenticeships should run. hats off to you both
Just want to commend Luke on a really well done video, so nice to see his presentation skills getting better and better every video.
Also, Rob, good job on taking the opportunity for an impromptu teaching moment, and it's a nice twist to leave that in the end of the video, rather than rewrite or add it into the script.
I hope your mentor-student relationship stays honest and transparent to your viewers. It's a healthy environment for everyone to benefit from.
I think there was a certain raw honest charm in the earlier videos .
Rob and you have developed into such a dream team, Luke.
Observing both your trust in and fun with each other is pleasant to see and also contagious! 🥰🧫👍
Thank you both for sharing and spreading your vast creativity! 💭💡❗
Awesome idea! I once had an idea that boosted the thermal output of my wood stove quite a bit. I used a large sheet of expanded aluminum (it's like sharp floor grating used for traction, except it's aluminum) and I folded/wrapped it around the chimney pipe. It emanates and stores extra heat that would normally go up and out the chimney, it also creates a safety barrier to keep someone from touching a normally 500 degree chimney.
That's a really good idea.
I'm for the first time training a apprentace .
32 years in the trade.
I adopt the same style with him.
Always answer his questions.
Never put down.
Give reasons for processes and be patient.
Let them make mistakes.
Well done guys. The tip with the maganese dioxide was new to me , thanks a lot.👍🏻👏👏👏❤️🥰
Yes! The return of the painted heater v2.0! Love the steps!
Just a reminder for us folks in the US. US plugs don't have fuses in them.
Custom heated 3D printer base or heated enclosure would be an awesome application for this. Many of the 3D printer build plates don't heat evenly across the whole surface so you can get curling at the edges when printing an object that goes across the whole plate.
I'm thinking about size of the bed it combined with the correct metal work and firm ware would be a cheaper way to print
This guy should be teaching. His pace and temperament is ideal
If you paint it on a substrate that normally acts as a heat sink then the ink heating up quickly could be balanced out by the heat sink properties of the material it is painted on.
Still I would say that you did a fantastic job creating a simple heater unit that is portable and effective. Well done, and I look forward to the future videos.
That's really awesome, nice work. Impressive that the ink will adhere to the acrylic, super cool 😎
Cool, hope to see you guys make an electric blanket in the future. Or maybe diy heated seats for your car 😁.
Holy chip-off-the-old-block, batman! 😅👍
You guys come up with the neatest stuff to mess with.
Really cool. If you vent the bottom so that air would flow through the middle it would push hot air out the top.
Lookin forward to manganese dioxide nvr knew it gained resistance when heated very interesting
Lovely chat, love it. I am amazed about the applications with this superconductive ink. Next step is to apply it to surfaces that are basically in a room already. I mean can you apply a strip of conductive ink to a window blind (horizontally or vertically) and use it as a big radiator to emit heat of 45 degrees or more? Can it be fabric or does it have to be some sort of heat-resistant plastic. Imagine having a 2 meter wide window blind with 5 cm blades all covered with ink to heat, how much current would it draw and could it be sufficient for a large room. BTW, what happens if i paint this conductive ink on a standard convector heating element usually filled with water and run by a boiler and pump. Does it work and will it transfer the heat (without the cap on temperature) to the fluid inside so the same way convection is triggered? I asked me this over and over, why not paint on a convector element. Best of both worlds. Radiating heat and convection.
Great video 👍
Thanks mate! :)😁
I'm only 3:00 in and I'm laughing 😂🤣😂... You cleaned the glass then kept touching it after 👌🏻🤘🏻🖖🏻
hahahah finger print galore LOL🤣🤣
You're a lucky bugger having the wealth of knowledge of Rob on hand. When you get a few years older you'll have knowledge not found in many blokes your age.
Oh my this is perfect for a diy heated printbed!!
(I've got a printer with a 50x50cm printbed and the heated beds I could find in that size are expensive)
what would the resistance be if you remove the copper strip between two rungs of ink, alternating the sides.
Something like this:
|_______________
_______________ |
|_______________
_______________ |
|_______________
_______________ |
|_______________
_______________ |
Wouldn't that go up quite a bit?
Would a dimmer switch work on it.
This video answered some questions I had thanks 😃
I wonder if you could glaze a mug and fire it, and just sit it on a phone charger to keep it warm.
Nice Job Luke, looks great! I wonder if I could Set up a light show through that glass, you always see some sort of fake fireplace out there, but to do it all on a piece of glass would be interesting, unfortunately for LCD like the heat so you can't do that I don't think.... Well a any case it's cool👍
Another interesting video!
Has Rob been giving you lessons on innovation?
You have a couple of options to "improve" the heater.
Chuck a Diode inline. This would half your power consumption all on its own (half wave rectification)
The second is for the next iteration (because you know you will). Reduce the width of your painted strips. Half the width half the power because you double the resistance (V/ IR) or you could increase the length of the track by doubling back on yourself and then again if you want the copper at both ends to increase the coolness! You could get creative with your patterns on this one.
If you "play with electronics" there you could have a phase converter inline by using a couple of resistors and a triac or fet .... but you would need to watch interference being broadcast by the fancy ariel.
TBH if you want to play the world is your mollusk on this kind of thing! ;o)
Yes we need a Heating Ink :) Great Good Luke. :)
Perhaps ceramic plates would be a nice support for an ink, just thinking out loud here, isn't it possible that the acrylic leak out some toxic components when being heated also, careful with that, very interesting and cool video again good job Luke
If the ink can be sprayed on you might be able to get an even coat that's thin enough. Not sure how adding manganese dioxide would change things though.
I would love to see a 12volt complete application of using the conductive ink as a heater.
Maybe thinner strips by using 50mm masking tape and 10mm ink strips mught be sufficient to get the resistance higher . I really like the glass perpex combo and repurposed lcd screens have both in the them the same size ready to go! I will do just that today ! 👍🏻
Very interested in a heating ink! I'm trying to figure out how to use this to make a FIR sauna (:
I baked some anthracite coal in a zero oxygen chamber and now I measure from end to end through about 2 inchs of coal a resistance of 1.8 ohms down from initial resistance readings in the Megaohms or kiloohms range, depending on where I touch my probes! If I break this coal down do you think I would have created graphene powder? Thanks!
Dirty hands, good sign 😎👏
Hahahaha the dirtier the hands the better lol! Thanks mate!😂
Here's a stupid question:
Given that wood ignites at ~300C, and this heater supose to stay at the 30's, why won't I just use a piece of plywood to make this heater?
Luke sounds just like Rob.
Whould love close up of the thermal couple. And where to buy it in USA
I've got some slate flagstones how do I work out the pattern to a small power supply. I want to attach 12v solar panel to make storage heater of sorts.
Did you successfully make a BIG panel? Can you give me the details?
what if you use an atomizer type spray for thin layer?
Great video!! I wonder how this, with proper preparation of both the ink (manganese dioxide) and the subflooring (?), would perform as a radiant floor warmer?
Robert / Luke - great vid. Came here to find conductive ink after Vid # - 22-011-26.
Basic question… (maybe I’m thick) ??
Could you just use more copper tape to make the “rungs” of the ladder ? Instead of making the rungs from ink.
I’m sure it’s something to do with the R required. But curious. Thanks.
Ambient Room temperature please? Sorry to be the guy to ask, lol.
Agreeing with other comments, great video and keep up with Rob, and Snake pattern for the win. I thought you almost had it when you did the Tick no tick part.
Do I hear Painted Heater Luke style V2? Hope so!
A great revisit, gents! Coincidentally, I was doing a bit of brainstorming on TEGs, and this seems like a fantastic way to run this backwards for testing to see what you get. Either of you game for some science? 👍
I need the carbon ink for heater, what is the resistivity of available ink
Do you have your own channel? Love your passion.
The last time I can't connect with the thumb by your new articles . 1 Is this because you have do something or 2 is it another party who do so, 3 did I something not?
I say that one better than even I could come up with. Could you use the conductive ink as part of robs magnetohydrodynamic experiment? Would it be possible perhaps to paint a larger surface say a wing structure and go one better than MIT ion powered flight? Thermal convection drive prehaps? As hot air rises cold air sinks. On the same vain as thermal indifference engine. I wonder how much weight a single panel can lift? Paragliding uses convection much like birds do. that can lift a human skyward? Would it be possible to use the heater to do the same?
Could this ink somehow be used to heat clothing?
Rob do you think the manganese dioxide could be added directly to the existing ink or does it require adding the manganese dioxide into the intercalation of the graphite? i.e. before the ink is made.
why does it not glow red like a normal electric heater if it just passes electricity through it?
At less than 40°C, it wasn't hot enough. The phenomenon of black body radiation happens when heating materials, at first they only give off infrared radiation but as the temperature increases they start to give off higher frequencies, moving into visible light. As an example, Electric Heater elements are roughly 600°C, and Light bulb filaments get past 2,000º C. Stars are also "black bodies", and we can tell their "temperature" from the kind of light they give off, with the red ones being colder and the blue ones being hotter.
I want that!
How do you paint this on a rough surface(concrete) without creating hot spots due to uneven thickness
List me on adding MgO2?
Add to paint or paint on to of strios like a sealer...?
Video update on % MnO2 addition?
Do you guys ship to United States?
1. Does it offgas when heated? Is there a smell n how many cycles before offgasing stops. 2. Why paint strips in glass and not paint the whole thing? 3. Can you use steel backing instead of glass , i have pets?
A large floor tile
Is your ink waterproof
Luke looks cute and fury. Mmm 🤤
Damn sweetness, cool your jets 😉
@@sarchlalaith8836 yeah but he's tasty AF 😋
🙏👍🙏
Thanks mate!😁😁
Hey guys, Instead of making a lather pattern why don't you make a squared spiral pattern or a Zickzack pattern with the masking tape to get more of the desired resistance. I mean if you can calculate the resistance Ω per cm per thickness then you can use a combination of patterns to achieve the desired resistance.
Just one thing that copper tape is an inch wide not thick lol