Hi Ron 👋👋 thanks for making this video it was extremely helpful with very clear instruction with clear view of your screen also presented slowly so able to keep up without pausing Best regards Chris 🇬🇧
Incredibly helpful video - also reveals a number of prog options that simply aren't made clear in the manual for 14SG - fantastic TX once you start to understand all it can do -- THANKS RC Ron :)
2 things you should check. Flap Set function is only available when model is set for 2 AIL 2 flaps or more. Also, be sure you have the latest updates for your transmitter software.
Futaba were really caught between a rock and a hard place with this radio they would have loved to make it easier but that would infringe on the next radio coming out my two cents.
The flap set menu: is the ”offset” basically the same thing as ”subtrim?” And similarily, are ”up” and ”down” the same thing you can, alternatively, configure in servo travel end-point menu? Of course the flap set menu seems to be a very convenient way to adjust flap throws.
Yes, you are accomplishing the same thing from different approaches. The advantage of the flap set menu is that you not only have total throw adjustments but also offset adjustments in the same menu function. However, the up/down adjustments are only as much as your end point settings allow. Things like the flap set menu provides ; up/down throw , and neutral offset adjustments , as well as many other functions like switch setting, camber mix to aileron/elevator can be handled with the programmable mixes. It's just easier in most cases to use Futaba's preprogrammed mixes.
I could not get to the Mode settings for some reason. This is a really good video. What did I miss in trying to get to the Mode setting? Thanks for your help.
I'm sorry it took so long for me to get back to you; i had surgery 2 weeks ago, and am now just getting to where I can begin to function. I think you need to update the 14SG transmitter software; I looked back in some of my info, and the mode change option for Camber Flaps to Elevator was not available until version 5.0; this option provides 3 rate position setting for ELE as opposed to only 2 positions with earlier software versions. Go to www.futabausa.com website, then product support> software downloads> transmitters> 14SG. They have complete instructions for downloading and installing the updates. The latest current update is version 9.0. It is extremely important to keep your transmitter software up to date, so the latest transmitter improvements are available to you. If this is not the problem, let me know and I will try and help you find the issue.
Thanks. Very helpful video. Would you happen to know how to program use of flaps on aileron? There's no flaps on the plane and i would like to use LD as a flaps function on the aileron.
Yes, the use of ailerons as flaps (flaperons) can be programmed, but you need to select 2 AIL in the model type; this will provide you with a function Camber mix. I use the Futaba 7008SB receiver for most of my programming, with the transmitter on FASSTEST-14 CH. Since this is the receiver that comes in the 14SG set, everyone has them. Using this receiver with 2 AIL model type will put Camber Mix on channel 9. You may be using only 6 or 7 channels, but this function will still operate. First go in link menu and select function; Assign LD to Camber Mix. Then go to model menu, and enter camber mix function. Set ACT to ON, assign SW as LD, then set SW direction, and travel. I use the top half of throw scale for switch ON. This has the switch operating from 12 o'clock position clockwise. Set rate of travel 30% to 40% initially. You may have to open up your servo hatch in the direction of down flaps, and be sure you can still get full aileron throw. These are the basic steps; If you have problems/questions, let me know and I will set up a short video showing step by step setup, as I think there may be others interested in doing this also.
@@rcron4849 This got me a bit further. I think I will get it to work. Cables from the servos are connected to one connector, need to get some parts to split them. Thanks again 🙂
Hi, first of all thank you for this extremely informative video about flaps on FutabaT14Sg. I have a question: i'm laying down a dummy model of three lifting surfaces with front canard and main wing having flaps. I'm thinking to use 8channel receiver with Y cable for each pair of flaps that should work simultaneously. Which type of model would be more suitable for this configuration ? Maybe 2ail+2flaps ? Or 4 flaps would be necessary instead ? Thank you
I think the 2 ail 2 flaps would be your best choice. There should be no problems using a Y cable and adjusting the LS & R/S of each surface using linkage adjustments so both sides are moving in unison; 2 channels for flaps would probably be necessary because the canard adjustments would likely be vastly different than on the wing. I think 2AIL 2 FLAPS would be the best choice. Having 2 ail might be necessary, should your model require Ail differential; if not, then you can then reassign the second Ail channel to anything else you might need.
Hi Ron. One more question after i followed your advice for case 2ail+2flaps acted by 3 position switch. Wing flaps are connected to receiver by Y cable and they work correctly, having their neutral position with switch in pos.1 and moving down once in pos.2 and 3. At the same time canard flaps, connected to the receiver by two separated cables, move up with switch in pos.1, neutral in pos. 2. and down in pos.3 .They behave like elevator rather than flap and I don't figure out how to set them like wing's flaps. Btw. using a Y cable also for canard flaps they move like ailerons. I'm a little confused and manual is not of much help. Any advice ? Thank you very much
I am out of town and will not return home until the 2nd or 3rd, so I cannot try solutions since I dont have access to my radio. If I understand your situation, your canard flaps are moving like ailerons instead of with your flaps. I have found similar situations for dual elevator servos used in the rear of the fuse. This is easily corrected by using 2 channels with 1 servo reversed. To not have to use 2 separate channels, you can use different servo brands. I assume you are using Futaba servos, just purchase a HiTec servo similar size & torque to the Futaba and most will move opposite to the Futaba when connected with a y cable. I have done this with several models. Let me know if that works?
Hi Ron, first thank you for your advices. These are my findings: wing flaps connected to receiver with y cable, canard flaps connected to two channels. Linkages+ servos end points of canard flaps arranged in such a way that, also for canard , the neutral position corresponds to pos.1 of switch , pos.2 intermediate down and pos.3 full down. I didn't apply any reverse to canard flaps. Servos are not Futaba Hitec, I use general micro servos I had available. This is probably one of the many setups possible with T14SG but it's the only I found out to work at the moment with the knwoledge I have about the radio. Pls. let me know if you think there is a more efficient and affordable method. Now, with things ad described above, i would have a last question whoose answer I have no idea: how can canard's flaps be moved in proportion respect to wing's flaps ( for example full flaps for wing and, let's say, 60 % for canard ) always using the same switch ? Thank you in advance for any further advice
Hi Ron, hope all is well, weell apreciated your video on flaps, i have a 8fg, wich seems to have same software, but i cant find 3 rates for the sg switch. any ideas, no mode a or b. help would be much apreciated, regards
It has been a while since I have done anything with an 8FG....I owned one before I got the 14FG. The first thing I would do is make sure you have the latest software installed. I will take a look at some of the info I had for the 8FG, & let you know if I find anything. Are you unable to get the switch set menu, or is the situation that you are going through the actions to set the switch for 3 on/off positions and yet the flaps are only responding to 2 positions? On the 14SG, when using camber flap to elevator function, the MODE A or B option came with one of the software updates on the 14SG. Prior to that update, you could only set 2 positions.
Excellent! I'm using 2AIL 1 FLP, but was able to make it all work. Especially helpful were the "trim" function and mix to elevator. Futaba manual is virtually useless. One thing that I still haven't figured out is how to set the flap position on the 3-position switch. I don't need 50% down for takeoff position - 10% would be better, I suspect. Can that be done on the 14SG? :-)
Yes, it was actually covered towards the end of the video; You must have selected 2AIL 1 FLAP or 2 AIL 2 FLAP in model type to have this adjustment available. Go to model menu, enter. Select dual rate. enter Got to the function (ail ele rud etc), select, then scroll through to flap; hit RTN to select FLAP, then scroll down to NT value. Changing this value shifts the neutral position of your flaps. Tap RTN, the background of the value changes from black to gray, scroll (probably) counterclockwise until you have the first position where you want it, then RTN to select and back out of menu. It is best to have the your plane in front of you, radio on, flap switch in first position, then you can watch the flap surface change as you make the adjustment and place it exactly where you want. If you have any problems with this, don't hesitate to contact me again.
Hi Ron, thank you for an excellent video! Very helpfull! One question - why to change AIL2 to FLAP2? -> is it just because you want to demonstrate how to make this thing work with 7 channels? In other words, assigning only one active individual channel for both ailerons? So I assume this AIL2-> FLAP2 is not imperative?
I am showing how to do this with 7 channels. Most of the time, it is not necessary to have 2 channels used for ailerons. In our model setup, we selected 2AIL 2FLP. This is necessary for some of our options. About the only time we need separate aileron channels is if we need AIL differential, but if necessary that can be handled mechanically. Having 2 flap channels allows us a rotary knob or slider to adjust flap positions in up position. This is needed quite often due to temp changes which cause the flaps servos to buzz in the up position. Once we select 2AIL 2FLP it provides the FLP SET menu which provides individual adjustments for flap throw and neutral adjustments. Yes, these are choices we must make when using only 7 channels. Also, notice that the gear channel is still operative. I chose to leave it functioning because so many fliers wanting 3 position flaps are flying models with retracts. Hopefully this video will demonstrate how to survive with just a 7 channel receiver; personally I use 10 channels or more on most of my models, using a 7 channel receiver with a serial bus decoder for additional channels, or I just install a 14 channel receiver,
Thanks Ron, makes sense. I happen to be building a model requiring 8 channels and the receiver I’m using is an 8 channel one. Hence I think I shall follow your instructions with exception that I will have separate aileron channels, for convenience reasons.
I published a video in April of this year, Programming Flaperons, which is using the Camber flap mix to set up ailerons to function as both ailerons and flaps. Check it out, I think that is what you are wanting.
The 7008SB receiver, which for a long while was the standard receiver in the complete Futaba 14SG package, actually gives you 7 channels plus a serial bus port. This actually gives you 7 channel operation; however you can expand it by using a SBD-1 decoder, which adds 3 channels. You can also add a 2nd decoder which gives you an additional 3 channels. The SBD-1 decoder will cost around $70; it plugs into the SB port, and has 3 leads that the servos plug into. If you only need 1 to 3 additional channels it is an easy way to get the additional channels you need. If you go this route, it costs less than buying a 14 channel receiver, and allows use of a receiver you already have. You will also have to invest about $30 for a SBC-1 channel setting tool which allows you to assign the channel your servo is operating on. The SBC-1 is a one time purchase. Using the SBD-1 decoder allows you to use analog servos but if you want to plug servos directly into the serial bus port, you must use serial bus terminals & Futaba digital servos; there may be other brand digital servos that will work, but I am not sure about that. If you use more than one SBD-1 decoder you will also need a Futaba 4way SB hub. I hope this answers your question.
@@rcron4849 hi ron. One final question. I know how to set up flaps on futaba 14sg on my glider and i have the right slider controlling the flaps, but i want to gradually deploy the flaps as opposed to them going to a set position!! On the right slider setting page there is a picture of a line with off on top and on at the bottom, which works as it should but i want to gradually deploy them. Do you know how i could do that? How do i get my flags to deploy gradually?
Since you are wanting to use the RS (right slider) as your control, you can simply go into the LINK menu, open FUNCTION menu. go down to channel you have flaps on; then Move your cursor to first column (CTRL) and assign RS as control. That should allow you to move the flaps at any speed you desire. If the slider direction is not the direction you prefer for flaps down then you might have to set up a programmable mix that will do what you want. If that is the case, then get back with me and I will send you explicit directions for that..
@@rcron4849 Hi Ron. I followed your instructions on your previous message. It worked. Thank you very much for your prompt rely and help. Futaba's instruction manual is not the easiest to follow.
Wizard, I am sorry to hear you had some issues. I am somewhat surprised; I have a 16IZ also, and the models I have set up on the 16IZ, I used the conversion program in the 16 that converts models from the 14, and have had no problems. Even the trim was perfect, and these models were using 12 and 13 channels, with telemetry? Make sure you are using model type like 2AIL 2 FLAP...that is necessary for the flap functions to be available. If you want to forward some info about the model, and where you are having a problem, I will be glad to look at into it and set up a demo model in my 16IZ trans to see if we can find the issue. Since I have a 16IZ also, I would like to see if there are some subtle differences in the programming. I will be glad to try and help resolve the issue. I feel sure we can find the answer.
Hi Ron 👋👋 thanks for making this video it was extremely helpful with very clear instruction with clear view of your screen also presented slowly so able to keep up without pausing
Best regards Chris 🇬🇧
Your a life saver Ron. I went by your first graph and got the flaps on my Ultra stick working perfectly. Thanks again .
Very clear and very helpful! Thank you so much, Ron.
Incredibly helpful video - also reveals a number of prog options that simply aren't made clear in the manual for 14SG - fantastic TX once you start to understand all it can do -- THANKS RC Ron :)
Great to hear! I appreciate your feedback!
Great video, thank you for taking the time to make it
Thanks Ron excellent video and very timely for me as just setting up flaps on my H9 RV4
Excellent!
Nice explanation 👍👍.. Im using condition to fly all my planes/jets , just 1 flight which help me mix all the flaps mixing with elevator
Thanks , very , very helpful instructions
You are welcome!
Thanks. Very helpful video😘
Excellent video
Glad you liked it
9:12 I don’t have a flap set under the model menu. !Thank you Futaba for unnecessary complications
2 things you should check. Flap Set function is only available when model is set for 2 AIL 2 flaps or more. Also, be sure you have the latest updates for your transmitter software.
Super tak for hjælpen .!😀
Wery helpful Tank you sir
You are most welcome; Happy Flying!
Futaba were really caught between a rock and a hard place with this radio they would have loved to make it easier but that would infringe on the next radio coming out my two cents.
The flap set menu: is the ”offset” basically the same thing as ”subtrim?” And similarily, are ”up” and ”down” the same thing you can, alternatively, configure in servo travel end-point menu? Of course the flap set menu seems to be a very convenient way to adjust flap throws.
Yes, you are accomplishing the same thing from different approaches. The advantage of the flap set menu is that you not only have total throw adjustments but also offset adjustments in the same menu function. However, the up/down adjustments are only as much as your end point settings allow. Things like the flap set menu provides ; up/down throw , and neutral offset adjustments , as well as many other functions like switch setting, camber mix to aileron/elevator can be handled with the programmable mixes. It's just easier in most cases to use Futaba's preprogrammed mixes.
@@rcron4849 Thanks Ron, once again! very helpful!
I could not get to the Mode settings for some reason. This is a really good video. What did I miss in trying to get to the Mode setting? Thanks for your help.
I'm sorry it took so long for me to get back to you; i had surgery 2 weeks ago, and am now just getting to where I can begin to function. I think you need to update the 14SG transmitter software; I looked back in some of my info, and the mode change option for Camber Flaps to Elevator was not available until version 5.0; this option provides 3 rate position setting for ELE as opposed to only 2 positions with earlier software versions. Go to www.futabausa.com website, then product support> software downloads> transmitters> 14SG. They have complete instructions for downloading and installing the updates. The latest current update is version 9.0. It is extremely important to keep your transmitter software up to date, so the latest transmitter improvements are available to you. If this is not the problem, let me know and I will try and help you find the issue.
Thanks. Very helpful video. Would you happen to know how to program use of flaps on aileron? There's no flaps on the plane and i would like to use LD as a flaps function on the aileron.
Yes, the use of ailerons as flaps (flaperons) can be programmed, but you need to select 2 AIL in the model type; this will provide you with a function Camber mix. I use the Futaba 7008SB receiver for most of my programming, with the transmitter on FASSTEST-14 CH. Since this is the receiver that comes in the 14SG set, everyone has them. Using this receiver with 2 AIL model type will put Camber Mix on channel 9. You may be using only 6 or 7 channels, but this function will still operate. First go in link menu and select function; Assign LD to Camber Mix. Then go to model menu, and enter camber mix function. Set ACT to ON, assign SW as LD, then set SW direction, and travel. I use the top half of throw scale for switch ON. This has the switch operating from 12 o'clock position clockwise. Set rate of travel 30% to 40% initially. You may have to open up your servo hatch in the direction of down flaps, and be sure you can still get full aileron throw. These are the basic steps; If you have problems/questions, let me know and I will set up a short video showing step by step setup, as I think there may be others interested in doing this also.
@@rcron4849 This got me a bit further. I think I will get it to work. Cables from the servos are connected to one connector, need to get some parts to split them. Thanks again 🙂
If there any other problems/questions come up, don't hesitate to contact me.
Hi, first of all thank you for this extremely informative video about flaps on FutabaT14Sg.
I have a question: i'm laying down a dummy model of three lifting surfaces with front canard and main wing having flaps. I'm thinking to use 8channel receiver with Y cable for each pair of flaps that should work simultaneously.
Which type of model would be more suitable for this configuration ? Maybe 2ail+2flaps ? Or 4 flaps would be necessary instead ?
Thank you
I think the 2 ail 2 flaps would be your best choice. There should be no problems using a Y cable and adjusting the LS & R/S of each surface using linkage adjustments so both sides are moving in unison; 2 channels for flaps would probably be necessary because the canard adjustments would likely be vastly different than on the wing. I think 2AIL 2 FLAPS would be the best choice. Having 2 ail might be necessary, should your model require Ail differential; if not, then you can then reassign the second Ail channel to anything else you might need.
Thanks Ron !
Hi Ron. One more question after i followed your advice for case 2ail+2flaps acted by 3 position switch.
Wing flaps are connected to receiver by Y cable and they work correctly, having their neutral position with switch in pos.1 and moving down once in pos.2 and 3.
At the same time canard flaps, connected to the receiver by two separated cables, move up with switch in pos.1, neutral in pos. 2. and down in pos.3 .They behave like elevator rather than flap and I don't figure out how to set them like wing's flaps. Btw. using a Y cable also for canard flaps they move like ailerons. I'm a little confused and manual is not of much help. Any advice ? Thank you very much
I am out of town and will not return home until the 2nd or 3rd, so I cannot try solutions since I dont have access to my radio. If I understand your situation, your canard flaps are moving like ailerons instead of with your flaps. I have found similar situations for dual elevator servos used in the rear of the fuse. This is easily corrected by using 2 channels with 1 servo reversed. To not have to use 2 separate channels, you can use different servo brands. I assume you are using Futaba servos, just purchase a HiTec servo similar size & torque to the Futaba and most will move opposite to the Futaba when connected with a y cable. I have done this with several models. Let me know if that works?
Hi Ron,
first thank you for your advices.
These are my findings: wing flaps connected to receiver with y cable, canard flaps connected to two channels. Linkages+ servos end points of canard flaps arranged in such a way that, also for canard , the neutral position corresponds to pos.1 of switch , pos.2 intermediate down and pos.3 full down. I didn't apply any reverse to canard flaps. Servos are not Futaba Hitec, I use general micro servos I had available.
This is probably one of the many setups possible with T14SG but it's the only I found out to work at the moment with the knwoledge I have about the radio. Pls. let me know if you think there is a more efficient and affordable method.
Now, with things ad described above, i would have a last question whoose answer I have no idea: how can canard's flaps be moved in proportion respect to wing's flaps ( for example full flaps for wing and, let's say, 60 % for canard ) always using the same switch ?
Thank you in advance for any further advice
Hi Ron, hope all is well, weell apreciated your video on flaps, i have a 8fg, wich seems to have same software, but i cant find 3 rates for the sg switch. any ideas, no mode a or b. help would be much apreciated, regards
It has been a while since I have done anything with an 8FG....I owned one before I got the 14FG. The first thing I would do is make sure you have the latest software installed. I will take a look at some of the info I had for the 8FG, & let you know if I find anything. Are you unable to get the switch set menu, or is the situation that you are going through the actions to set the switch for 3 on/off positions and yet the flaps are only responding to 2 positions? On the 14SG, when using camber flap to elevator function, the MODE A or B option came with one of the software updates on the 14SG. Prior to that update, you could only set 2 positions.
Excellent! I'm using 2AIL 1 FLP, but was able to make it all work. Especially helpful were the "trim" function and mix to elevator. Futaba manual is virtually useless. One thing that I still haven't figured out is how to set the flap position on the 3-position switch. I don't need 50% down for takeoff position - 10% would be better, I suspect. Can that be done on the 14SG? :-)
Yes, it was actually covered towards the end of the video; You must have selected 2AIL 1 FLAP or 2 AIL 2 FLAP in model type to have this adjustment available.
Go to model menu, enter.
Select dual rate. enter
Got to the function (ail ele rud etc), select, then scroll through to flap;
hit RTN to select FLAP, then scroll down to NT value. Changing this value shifts the neutral position of your flaps.
Tap RTN, the background of the value changes from black to gray, scroll (probably) counterclockwise until you have the first position where you want it, then RTN to select and back out of menu.
It is best to have the your plane in front of you, radio on, flap switch in first position, then you can watch the flap surface change as you make the adjustment and place it exactly where you want.
If you have any problems with this, don't hesitate to contact me again.
Hi Ron, thank you for an excellent video! Very helpfull! One question - why to change AIL2 to FLAP2? -> is it just because you want to demonstrate how to make this thing work with 7 channels? In other words, assigning only one active individual channel for both ailerons? So I assume this AIL2-> FLAP2 is not imperative?
I am showing how to do this with 7 channels. Most of the time, it is not necessary to have 2 channels used for ailerons. In our model setup, we selected 2AIL 2FLP. This is necessary for some of our options. About the only time we need separate aileron channels is if we need AIL differential, but if necessary that can be handled mechanically. Having 2 flap channels allows us a rotary knob or slider to adjust flap positions in up position. This is needed quite often due to temp changes which cause the flaps servos to buzz in the up position. Once we select 2AIL 2FLP it provides the FLP SET menu which provides individual adjustments for flap throw and neutral adjustments. Yes, these are choices we must make when using only 7 channels. Also, notice that the gear channel is still operative. I chose to leave it functioning because so many fliers wanting 3 position flaps are flying models with retracts. Hopefully this video will demonstrate how to survive with just a 7 channel receiver; personally I use 10 channels or more on most of my models, using a 7 channel receiver with a serial bus decoder for additional channels, or I just install a 14 channel receiver,
Thanks Ron, makes sense. I happen to be building a model requiring 8 channels and the receiver I’m using is an 8 channel one. Hence I think I shall follow your instructions with exception that I will have separate aileron channels, for convenience reasons.
Sir can u get a tutorial for taileron and flaperon ?🙏🙏🙏😊
Will try
Thank u! @@rcron4849
What if I want to use ailerons as flaps?
I published a video in April of this year, Programming Flaperons, which is using the Camber flap mix to set up ailerons to function as both ailerons and flaps. Check it out, I think that is what you are wanting.
Dear RC Ron you are the missing link!!!! Thanks
Thank You! I am always glad to get feedback.
Hi Ron. May sound like a stupid question. How does an 8 channel receiver give 14 channels?
The 7008SB receiver, which for a long while was the standard receiver in the complete Futaba 14SG package, actually gives you 7 channels plus a serial bus port. This actually gives you 7 channel operation; however you can expand it by using a SBD-1 decoder, which adds 3 channels. You can also add a 2nd decoder which gives you an additional 3 channels. The SBD-1 decoder will cost around $70; it plugs into the SB port, and has 3 leads that the servos plug into. If you only need 1 to 3 additional channels it is an easy way to get the additional channels you need. If you go this route, it costs less than buying a 14 channel receiver, and allows use of a receiver you already have. You will also have to invest about $30 for a SBC-1 channel setting tool which allows you to assign the channel your servo is operating on. The SBC-1 is a one time purchase. Using the SBD-1 decoder allows you to use analog servos but if you want to plug servos directly into the serial bus port, you must use serial bus terminals
& Futaba digital servos; there may be other brand digital servos that will work, but I am not sure about that. If you use more than one SBD-1 decoder you will also need a Futaba 4way SB hub. I hope this answers your question.
@@rcron4849 thanks ron. I understand now.
@@rcron4849 hi ron. One final question. I know how to set up flaps on futaba 14sg on my glider and i have the right slider controlling the flaps, but i want to gradually deploy the flaps as opposed to them going to a set position!!
On the right slider setting page there is a picture of a line with off on top and on at the bottom, which works as it should but i want to gradually deploy them. Do you know how i could do that?
How do i get my flags to deploy gradually?
Since you are wanting to use the RS (right slider) as your control, you can simply go into the LINK menu, open FUNCTION menu. go down to channel you have flaps on; then Move your cursor to first column (CTRL) and assign RS as control. That should allow you to move the flaps at any speed you desire. If the slider direction is not the direction you prefer for flaps down then you might have to set up a programmable mix that will do what you want. If that is the case, then get back with me and I will send you explicit directions for that..
@@rcron4849 Hi Ron. I followed your instructions on your previous message. It worked. Thank you very much for your prompt rely and help. Futaba's instruction manual is not the easiest to follow.
Have a 16iz doesnt work.... same software just different layout. Im so fustrated
Wizard, I am sorry to hear you had some issues. I am somewhat surprised; I have a 16IZ also, and the models I have set up on the 16IZ, I used the conversion program in the 16 that converts models from the 14, and have had no problems. Even the trim was perfect, and these models were using 12 and 13 channels, with telemetry? Make sure you are using model type like 2AIL 2 FLAP...that is necessary for the flap functions to be available. If you want to forward some info about the model, and where you are having a problem, I will be glad to look at into it and set up a demo model in my 16IZ trans to see if we can find the issue. Since I have a 16IZ also, I would like to see if there are some subtle differences in the programming. I will be glad to try and help resolve the issue. I feel sure we can find the answer.