*Fun fact:* The Joker's origin got a pretty interesting alternate outcome the Elseworld comic "In Darkest Night". In this reality, Bruce became a Green Lantern during the events of "Year One" and used his powers to stop Red Hood and his two henchmen before the worst could happen, thus avoiding the creation of the Joker. The Red Hood then tells Bruce he had a really bad day, to which the Green Lantern Bruce replies that is no excuse for his crimes, because everyone has terrible days and yet most people know to deal with it, causing Hood to apoligize for his actions.
It’s not from one bad though he most likely became the joker because of his surroundings and the people around him slowly dehumanizing him. Along with the system afterwards neglecting those wounds caused by that and not doing anything to slow or stop it and then on top of that the things that made him even remotely stable and safe got taken away. then when he lashed out against the injustice he felt he was further punished. After a certain point he realizes how to take control and then dehumanizes the system and the people around him in return. Not really out of maliciousness at this point but from a wider lack of caring and because of what happened to him his now messed up sense of humor. As much of a victim as a victimizer he’s a monster that really doesn’t deserve empathy but he doses deserve to be understood and the system that made him should abolished.
@@DownTroddedI'm pretty sure he has said himself it was one bad day. And what system? He fell into some chemicals and went mental. As far as we know, there's not much complications or intricacies as you think there are with his origins.
@@Meteorknite Wrong. He fought a genetically reproduced Joker hijacking the body of another person as a nanovirus. The Joker was able to implant his entire DNA and memories into Cadmus nanomachines, which could temporarily hijack the body of Tim Drake. Essentially, imagine if the Joker became a living, intelligent virus. But was confined in one body.
@@barbiegirl2212вообще-то знает,причём изначально знал,но он больше любит личность Бэтмэна, даже в комиксах он знает кто такой Бэтмэн. И в Аркхэме Джокер знал кто такой Бэтс,только в в BTAS Джокер узнал от Тима Дрейка,точнее в полнометражке Бэтмэна Будущего кто такой Бэтмэн. В большинстве своём они знают личность друг друга
"I don't know what it was that bent your life out of shape, but maybe...I've been there too" Such a powerful line. I am glad Alan Moore, despite having already broken his relationship with DC due to the copyright issues of "Watchmen", decided to still complete "The Killing Joke" as a personal favor to Brian Bolland.
"not to sound like people think I do, but IM BATMAN. I knew his name a week after I met him." idk why but this line is both awesome but really funny at the same time.
Interestingly, "the Tree Jokers" is not the first time we see his origin story being officially considered canon. In a "Gotham Knights" comic released in the 2000's, the Riddler reveals he witnessed Janey, the Joker's wife, being murdered by the two mobster that hired him, probably in order to make sure he will not renounce the job by using his family bonds as a moral excuse
Was this after Hush? I love the mental image of Batman coming to Riddler and bribing him with his Bruce Wayne money to be a false witness, with the Riddler aware he's Batman and him aware Riddler is aware so it's just like so impossible for Joker to imagine, making him never consider it a lie.
Speaking of the iconic cover of "The Killing Joke" by Brian Bolland, the author himself made a few years ago a pretty similar art that depicts Walter Kovacs holding a Rorschach test card in front of his eye while saying to the reader "A Sweet Butterfly". It's a quite funny self-parody, actually
I feel like the outcome would be unpredictable: Maybe Joker would develop a split personality between the clown and the man he was? Maybe joker would get over it and he’ll just claim that the man he was is dead? Maybe the joker will hunt them down and kill them? Or maybe the joker would become a half decent father figure while still being a super villain, like what what he does in the Harley, Quinn, animated series
Seeing joker being a loving caring step dad while still being a petty evil asshole was possibly my favorite thing in that show. That and Harley Quinn giving a guy cancer with the cancer ray
@@leadnsteel1428 No, thats a Neil Gaiman book called "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader". Its an alternate universe where Alfred is Joker, and his actor friends are the rest. Batman finds out its all a play for him, goes out, gets into a real fight, and gets killed.
I'm pretty sure in Three Jokers, it's mentioned that not only does Batman know who Joker is, but Joker knows who Batman is. So if Batman did go after Joker's original identity, then Joker may go after Batman's identity.
The 3 Jokers: The criminal - The original Red Hood One that was dropped into the vat after a fight with Batman. The clown - the one that killed Jason Todd as his final act, despite coming from the age of comics that regulated such things. The comedian - an engineer that jumped into a vat to escape batman despite being an innocent hostage dressed up like a member of the gang. This is the one that Batman knows the identity of, Jack Oswald White.
Those two-page DC Origins gave us three choices: the comedian from The Killing Joke, Jack Napier from Batman '89, and the original Red Hood. Joker chose the latter because it was a classic. I prefer the Napier variants. Starting out bad is better then turning bad since most of Bats' enemies were good people before going nuts.
I've always felt that Batman considers the Joker's true identity to be... the Joker. You have to remember how completely Bruce Wayne sublimated himself into The Bat. There's a reason he's often used in defining Becoming The Mask. With that in mind, Batman may be expected to presume that The Joker consumed who he used to be in turn.
Batman is saving it for the day that the Joker will be enlightened enough to understand when he tells him 'By the way, I boned your wife, and I've been raising your kid for years. Taught him how to ride a bike. Watched him hit his first home run. Put him through college.' and the Joker won't be able to do anything, there's no way at all to top that. Fucking brutal.
It comes down to professional courtesy. Bats and smile-boi have known each others secret identities for ages! Joker is open about how the identity thing is tied to psychological issues, Bruce hides behind cold rationalizations about 'scary bats scaring bad-guys'. Each of them needs the others 'working persona' to be able to function at all.
Joker is that one person we knew obsessed with role playing or make believe and would never break character regardless of wether the people around them were in on the bit. And the more you try to bring them back down to reality the more they try to reject it.
The ultimate twist would be that the Joker went mad before meeting his wife, and the end, Bruce doesn’t actually end up knowing. He just thinks he knows. And one day he’ll reveal the information, and Joker will turn the joke on Bruce
I read that title and think that’s probably gonna be due to not knowing what Joker would do. Joker could either do nothing, nuke Gotham, off himself, not care, whatever. It’s literally impossible to tell what could happen.
I thought it was suggested that Pre-Joker was an abusive husband, hence why Jeannie left and her death was staged. So whether it was the Joker or his Pre-Joker self, either one would be a threat to her and her son.
Or what if Bruce is hiding the Jokers family because he lost his and he knows the jokers pain so he hid them. And if he revealed it the joker would most likely kill them then probably kill himself. And those deaths would be on Bruce’s hands.
How about all the hundreds/thousands of victims that Bruce has allowed by not killing him once and for all. Are those victims blood not on Bruce’s hands since Bruce knows the Joker will continue to kill people. …….I know from a publishers prospective it’s in their best interest to keep popular villains alive for the sake of future stories and capitalizing of the villains popularity to sell comics. But any reasonable person can see that keeping the Joker alive is a horrible idea with deadly consequences.
@@WillieStrok3rits not up to Batman. Deadshot, Lex Luthor, Deathstroke, all Gotham super villains would benefit from Joker being dead. He is inconvenient to them also. Plot wont allow anyone to get rid of Joker
So stupid, especially batman knowing one week after his first encounter with the Joker. It removes some of the mystique behind the Joker and goes against his character.
Bruce: "I always knew who the Joker is, Alfred. I knew it since the day I met him..." Alfred: "What?! How?!" Bruce: "Dude, I am the Goddamn Batman! Need more answers?" Alfred: "No, sir...Sorry..."
My headcanon has been that the Joker does know who he used to be and is in denial. The Joker wants to be seen as something more than an ordinary man, he wants to be an agent of chaos, something more symbolic than anything. He *hates* the idea of being forgotten, being ordinary. Oh sure he claims that nothing matters but he absolutely wants to be the center of attention. He can prattle that he's some sort of nihilist but actions speak louder than words. That's the real reason his past is "multiple choice"; he's a narcissist that refuses to acknowledge at the end of the day, he's just as human as everybody else. It's like how Bruce considers Batman his true self, except in a more extreme and twisted way
You know what i would've loved? They made a movie origin of joker (as im sure you know. Good movie). Id love if they made multiple versions of the movie. All joker origin stories. Same actors but different story lines. "If i had to have a past. Id prefer it to be multiple choice"
And the Joker leaves tiny hints in each one of his fabricated backstory as to what is the real origin story, mixing around truth and lies in each one of them, leaving the viewer trying to figure which aspects happened and didn't happened, without the eyes of an insaine man.
Whoever Joker was before is completely gone. Joker would most likely psychologically torment his old family just to prove to Batman that he has no low he won't go. Couldn't Joker find out who he was beforehand if he really wanted to?
The thing that bothers me the most with this whole "Joker's wife is kept under GCPD protection" shenanigan is the fact, that GCPD may just took wife and child from a man who seemengly had no criminal record to his name before becoming a Joker and, for all we know, was just a regular citizen in a very dark place. I don't know, it seems to me, if he realy could have been a danger to his wife or child, it could be just solved with going to family therapist or, alternatively, puting him in mental assylum and getting restraining order, not by ripping the seemingly innocent mentally ill man of his wife and child without any warning. And it just feels like if GCPD realy did it and Batman actually suports it, then they fully deserved averything that Joker has ever done to them
What Batman really should do is amputate Joker's arms, legs, eyeballs, eardrums, and tongue -- and then say, "See, I didn't kill him, because killing is wrong!"
You know, I've had an interesting idea floating around in my head about a potential alternate universe in that all of the Arkham Asylum patients would be the good guys and Batman would be the bad guy. Of course, several villains would have to have their entire backstories and maybe even designs and histories dramatically changed but I think that it could make for an interesting What-If.
I hope that the writers make a comic where Batman tells the Joker his real name but he doesn’t get his memories back and instead tries to become sane or something else happens instead. It would be a good comic to read
@@102-d7i Oh yeah there is that comic but I mean a comic where the Joker turns sane after learning his real name but his memories don’t come back and he instead tries to live a normal life but he finds out that he can’t.
In comics, there is a status quo. This allows storylines to loop so comics can go on forever. What happens with Joker is meant to keep repeating stories with him in it
What part of the jokers conduct makes you think introducing him to his family would end well for them? Like would he stop mass murdering for them? That's not sustainable, to put his sanity on they're shoulders. What happens if they die, go crazy or he kills them?.
what if some thing in him just klicks and he desides he wants nothing to do with them like he find them wants to kill them but then just stands there blankly and then just turns around and live with out explaining why
@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq I know it's comics, it's fiction. But what in all his years of mass murder and torture would make that a plausible outcome? If it was a case where he's trying to be better, that there was some inkling of a good person there, something human worth saving, maybe.
DC these days doesn't know what to do with their characters. First Batman asked Metron's chair who Joker is, then gets the unexplained 3 Jokers as reply. Then there's Joker's pregnancy. Sheesh.
The answer is that the comics branch of DC aren’t willing to canonize the real name of the Joker because they think that if readers know the name then that’s one less hook to keep reading Batman but it wasn’t nearly as big a hook as they thought outside of Three Jokers. Readers don’t actually care that _Batman_ knows the name, we haven’t cared since Three Jokers and we certainly didn’t care since Metron’s chair, we only care that _we_ know which name is the canon real name. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Jack Napier, Arthur Fleck, Jack White, Jerome or Jeremiah Velaska, or any of the other myriad of plausible real names he’s had over the decades, what matters is they pick one (or three if Three Jokers was mainline) and officially declare canon.
This is more my head canon, but I always looked at it as Joker like Batman isn't stupid. I bet he knows his wife and kid are alive but like with knowing who Batman really is, it's not important to him or at best it's not "funny/fun" for him. I like to think the same in the injustice stories. You REALLY think the Joker didn't notice that Harley was gonna for almost over a year and when she came back and acted as if she never left? For some odd reason when it comes to real family or children of the Joker he seems to almost completely ignore it or act as if it was never a thing.
To be honest, I didn't like how "Three Jokers" made the Joker's origin in that story 100% canon, as it ruins great part of the mystery that surrounds the character, and also revealed that Batman knew his true identity from the beginning
Yeah I agree. Another thing is that, in that story, it's implied that the joker was abusive to his wife. That kind of ruins his whole "one bad day can ruin the Normal person" Because if he was abusive, then he wasn't really just a regular person. Really not a fan of that story
Great video. Fun thing, after reading the story about the three Jokers, I made an AU where he did find out his wife and kid was alive earlier in his career as a criminal. Doesn’t end well for them. Wife die and the child ends up taking Jason Todd’s place in history.
Bat’s likely doesn’t use that information because he doesn’t want Joker’s boy to have the one bad day, considering how focused Joker is on proving that hypothesis correct. Which is why Batman acts as the city’s best asylum orderly 😅😆, so kids don’t get that one bad day etc..
It is a convenience for dramatic license. But lets also be real. Batman's computer contains information that could cause irreparable harm to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people, information that would get people killed. Information that could cause normal people who have had mistakes in their past to kill to keep those mistakes secret. "I have to protect these people specifically from the joker" doesn't hold a lot of water when you consider that they are not by any means the only people endangered by a breach. Also I mean when it comes down to him just not wanting to kill the joker, well...................... You'd be amazed what a person can live through. There are other ways to deal with the threat he poses besides murder.
Man, whenever I end up hearing about comic Joker, I just keep thinking about how narratively he really needs to die. I'm not saying Batman needs to do it necessarily, but it makes no sense that someone so horrible can live so long without finally being killed by either a Batman that has just been pushed too far or some other person without Batman's strict code. Joker cannot be allowed to keep doing what he does. At some point some cop or someone needs to just shoot him on the way to Arkham. He's basically a demon that causes untold suffering, and there are no longer any good enough reasons that anyone with the opportunity should not kill him. Joker has actually died in some spinoffs, but for mainline comics, they obviously can't do that because they need to keep making Batman stories literally forever, if possible.
My favourite origin story was collected into the TPB "Lovers and Madmen" (not sure which comic line it was originally from). In this, the Joker was an unnamed hitman for hire who was so good at what he did he had become bored, never able to find any job he considered challenging (when asked for a demonstration of his skill, he tosses a deck of cards in the air and manages to shoot all four aces and both jokers before they hit the ground). After crossing paths with Batman he becomes obsessed with him, eventually leading to the fight in which he falls into the vat of chemicals and becomes the Joker. Although the end result is the same, I love the idea that he was already a stone cold badass even before he was the Joker, which makes way more sense than him being a bumbling loser who suddenly becomes super smart and agile as a result of being made insane.
I believe in the story "The Three Jokers" Batman revealed that he with the Gotham PD hid Joker's wife and child to protect them from the Joker and he knew the Joker's identity from the beginning. Joker was unstable before becoming the Joker and Batman would not want to risk an innocent to destroy one of his greatest foes.
What's funny is that Joker knows who Batman is. Legit it's said in the Joker War line(phenomenal highly recommend) that he just straight up always had the ability to know just like Batman. But as we all know, he never did because it would spoil the fun. I'm telling you man, a Joker who knows who Batman is and uses it against him is _scary asf_ .
I think it would be interesting if they did a what if story about what if Batman did tell the joker his wife and son are alive and who joker really is maybe it results in absolute carnage and Batman has to time travel or get a hero to do it to make sure he never does it. Because your right that’s exactly what joker would do he would jokerize them and they would probably lay waste to Gotham then metropolis then central city until it creates a killing hero like injustice superman to finally do what’s right and kill them
I think that this obsession with Joker’s backstory is unnecessary. It literally doesn’t matter. And really, his origin story in “The Killing Joke” is silly at best. He’s shown as this naive guy, who loves his wife. He’s innocent in a way that a grown man in his condition could never be - he genuinely believes that the criminals that he works with can help him and he’s vulnerable with them. Look. Unless the acid bath gave him superior intelligence as well, this back story doesn’t make sense for someone like The Clown prince of crime.
In relative terms in any situation where joker exists and his origin story and/or “powers” stay the same, then the death or jokerized family is either outcome for any joker. Or there’s the ‘he wont give a rats ass cause he knows he’s a comic character’ bit. And to be frank since he knows he’s a comic character, joker is actually the sane individual and everyone else is insane. I honestly see any joker doin all 3 or none of the above.
Joker also knows who Batman really is. A sane Joker without the crazy fixation on Batman would be way more dangerous as he would have no issues revealing his identity to the entire world.
I think its better to physically beat Joker and keep that knowledge secret. Joker knows Batman is Bruce Wayne but only cares about beating the bat. Knowing who he was and his family still living would unleash a insanity that would be sick and brutal( even for Joker's standards)
IMO regardless of what anyone does. It is a set point that there will always be a joker. When Bruce died in Earth-2 and Thomas Wayne became Batman and Martha Wayne became Joker. So it doesn't matter if Bruce tells him or not. If the original joker can't be the joker anymore then someone else will become Joker. Heck even Tim Drake became a Joker in the Batman Beyond universe (Earth 12).
I remember when Wolverine was only Logan and he had no past. The character was mysterious and cooler back then. To know his origin destroyed his mystery aura and, because of that, Wolverine was diminished permanently. It would be a shame to destroy Joker's mystery. By now, it's an essential part of him. Think Nolan's Joker, for example. Not giving him an origin or a name was a stroke of genius because it created a mythological dimension for him. Besides that, personally, I enjoy the mystery and I don't have the need to be told every single detail about every character.
Generally, Batman doesn't have a reason to tell Joker who he is. There's no guarantee it would be of any benefit, and always the risk it could make things worse. It's something Batman himself should know for the purpose of better understanding his enemy, but not something that he should share aside from as a last resort. The only thing that could get him to willingly give that information up would be if he was all out of other options and it was the only thing he had left that had any chance helping at all.
@@josebencomo2385 Joker is willing to go to extreme lengths, but he isn't motivated to. Other than occasionally attempting crimes in the cities of other heroes (Which tends to not go well for him) just to see if it's any easier outside of Gotham, he generally sticks to playing his "game" with Batman. His primary motivation is to make Batman break his no kill rule. He's not putting his everything into being as destructive as possible, and even he usually doesn't know what he's going to do next. If he were to find out what his true identity and past is, it could change things dramatically. There's the potential that he could stop being random, stop caring about his "game" with Batman, and just go full destructive nihilist. If that were to happen, he could quickly become the single most dangerous supervillain on the planet.
Why, why all want to exploit "the kiling joke"? Allan moore created the mistery and sudenly...."I m batman and i know everything" Allan moore make batman a man, a real man in a real world (best histories every) Today is a super mega ultra siper hero with 0 weakeness (and auwfull comics)
The idea that Batman knew the Jokers identity one week after meeting him is an idea that I just fundamentally dislike. I like there being mysteries that not even Batman can solve, and I like the Joker being this mysterious entity in Gotham with no real discernible origin. It adds a level of intrigue to the character the less you know about him. The Killing Joke is a great book, but even in that story it’s suggested that the events of Jokers origin might not be entirely truthful or correct. But the problem with the book is people in recent years have taken it as gospel for the joker. Retelling or re-referencing the same story over and over. I’m sick of hearing “ It just takes one bad day” repeated over and over again like it’s become the Jokers Catch phrase or something. Mostly I’m just sick of seeing the Joker now at days, he shows up to often to be interesting. I wish writers would retire the character for a few years like they did back in the day. But he’s become to popular. So instead of telling new interesting stories we get stuck with the same stories with a new coat of paint. But the biggest issue I have with this, is adding the wrinkle that Both Jokers wife and kid are still alive. It removes the impact of the original book, but worst of all it opens the door for a writer to inevitably bring those characters back and Jokerize them. Eventually we are going to get a story with Son of the Joker where he is over edgy and over written, spouting the phrase “One bad day, right father” and it is going to suck.
I like to think that Batman got it wrong and that’s not his real family. I don’t think Joker would not know those people exist eventually and I think use them for game in the future, by proving he was never connected to them, killing them and setting Batman back to square one. Personally I don’t like that Batman knows who he is (I didn’t like there being more than one Joker as well to be honest) it changes things up in a way I don’t prefer. But the whole setup looks like there will be a bloodbath down the line involving the family and I’m curious to see what happens next 🦇🃏
I have a feeling that I MIGHT know what his real name is...In the Original Batman Movie,Jack Napier fell into A vat of chemicals. Well,if The comic book version of The Joker primarily remembers THAT origin, and is the most consistent memory....Then it`s a damned good possibility then,and I have a feeling that there is a good 90% possibility that I most likely am correct, that his real name IS Jack Napier..and think on this: Take away ac from jack,add ER from Napier,then just put in a O to the name..what do you get? That`s right....Joker. HE probably wanted to rename himself,so he just put in jk from his first name,er from Napier,Plus A o, to give himself a new name,PLUS he thought OF the Joker from a card,that looked like him too. Joker WAS BORN! SO I have a good feeling that JACK Napier is his real name!
in general a diagnosis of insanity makes it pretty much impossible to get sentenced to death in the us. and in general in the joker's case it is so apparent i doubt any prosecutor would even bother asking for it as it would never go through and just be a waste of time and resources. now why none of the cops or previous victim's families never just shoot the guy in cold blood i don't know
Out of respect for Batman... I gotta say... While I think Batman DID figure out Joker's identity, I don't think it was so swiftly. Maybe once the Joker made it clear Batman was his fated foe and needed to be taken more seriously, he took it seriously and did every bit of possible research to find out. THEN I could see it being a week as a result of a few sleepless nights
That's why the files of Batman's plan to deal with the JLA are probably fake. What idiot thinks you can just shoot Superman with a kryptonite bullet? That bullet is probably what Batman would hand Superman with a gun to shoot himself. Superman is the one who brought in Batman in the first place because he wants someone to do what he wouldn't but when he does... I think Batman has a way to remind him about it and hand him that bullet.
Seeing Joker iwth his family would be interesting. He'd be conflicted. Some plto would have to be done to convince Joker that "jokerizing" his family woudln't cut it. Robin managed to still break out of it after all. So I can see it being possbile that Joker could be convinced there'd be no point in the end on that account. This can ultimately lead to seeing how conflicted Joker is with his family, his "old" life verses his "current" life. Which would have the result of seeing Joker really snap and lose it. This could have the end result of changing Joker completely. Still dark and morbid, but with something more then his obsession with Batman. Which can be BECAUSE of Batman.
imagine you realize you have gone years into insanity only to realize there’s still some one who loves you.yes you may go stable but you might just go worse and that’s if you don’t out right try and destroy your own past because you hate to look at it.
That's just one Joker who were the other 2? That is the mystery here that keeps on going, heck I don't know if we know that this Joker is the one tide to that identity. 🤷♂️
OMG THIS QUESTION INFURIATES ME EVERY TIME DAWG THIS FUCKING DILEMMA WAS EXPLAINED IN DEATH OF THE FAMILY JESUS CHRIST DUUUUUDES!!!!!!!!!! JOKER was like "meh" when he saw bruce wayne and Bruce was intentionally exposing his identity to him to see how he would react, he didnt care Joker thinks the principle of knowing the Bats identity jus ruins the point of the pandemonium he ensues.
1:52 "...but Joker doesn't know this..." This is the biggest misconception of this entire storyline. If you look at the paneling in it, the moment Batman says that Joker doesn't know that his family is in Alaska, there is an image of Joker... *showing* *up* *at* *their* *house* ! Joker's family is dead, likely gassed to death, and Batman will find them in some later story or series, long dead from Joker's Venom. Because the last thing Joker wants is to be in a position where he's like Batman: with people that can be used against him.
*Fun fact:* The Joker's origin got a pretty interesting alternate outcome the Elseworld comic "In Darkest Night". In this reality, Bruce became a Green Lantern during the events of "Year One" and used his powers to stop Red Hood and his two henchmen before the worst could happen, thus avoiding the creation of the Joker. The Red Hood then tells Bruce he had a really bad day, to which the Green Lantern Bruce replies that is no excuse for his crimes, because everyone has terrible days and yet most people know to deal with it, causing Hood to apoligize for his actions.
It’s not from one bad though he most likely became the joker because of his surroundings and the people around him slowly dehumanizing him.
Along with the system afterwards neglecting those wounds caused by that and not doing anything to slow or stop it and then on top of that the things that made him even remotely stable and safe got taken away.
then when he lashed out against the injustice he felt he was further punished.
After a certain point he realizes how to take control and then dehumanizes the system and the people around him in return.
Not really out of maliciousness at this point but from a wider lack of caring and because of what happened to him his now messed up sense of humor.
As much of a victim as a victimizer he’s a monster that really doesn’t deserve empathy but he doses deserve to be understood and the system that made him should abolished.
so now he's green batman?
@@joshfactor1basically but he breaks the dawn
@@Digitalhdwmn wait, so is he still wearing the batsuit or does he have to don green now?
@@DownTroddedI'm pretty sure he has said himself it was one bad day. And what system? He fell into some chemicals and went mental. As far as we know, there's not much complications or intricacies as you think there are with his origins.
The funny thing is that Bruce was never able to make the joker angry so easily and yet Terry can just make Joker angry just like that
Nothing wounds the joker’s pride more than being told he’s not funny.
@@crimsondynamo615not really terry didnt fight joker
He fought a joker gas victim.
Beside true joker will fold terry
Edit: terry fangirls big mad
@@Meteorknite Wrong. He fought a genetically reproduced Joker hijacking the body of another person as a nanovirus. The Joker was able to implant his entire DNA and memories into Cadmus nanomachines, which could temporarily hijack the body of Tim Drake. Essentially, imagine if the Joker became a living, intelligent virus. But was confined in one body.
@@Meteorknite Jokerised Robin
@@PosthumanHeresy yea you did acktually and proved me right.
Terry will be folded by joker any more text wall to say what I said
Batman knows who joker is and joker knows who batman is. If anybody else finds out everything would be ruined so they're keeping it to themselves.
it really does make them two sides of the same coin
Alford is the joker and the villains and heroes run Gotham
Я не знаю как в комиксах, но в мультфильмах и играх, обычно джокер не знает кто batman. Для него это испортить все веселье
@barbiegirl2212 ruzziana zabili sprosit
@@barbiegirl2212вообще-то знает,причём изначально знал,но он больше любит личность Бэтмэна, даже в комиксах он знает кто такой Бэтмэн. И в Аркхэме Джокер знал кто такой Бэтс,только в в BTAS Джокер узнал от Тима Дрейка,точнее в полнометражке Бэтмэна Будущего кто такой Бэтмэн. В большинстве своём они знают личность друг друга
That’s so Batman that he just knew his identity after a week. Batman really is just toying with the Joker and not the other way around.
"I don't know what it was that bent your life out of shape, but maybe...I've been there too"
Such a powerful line. I am glad Alan Moore, despite having already broken his relationship with DC due to the copyright issues of "Watchmen", decided to still complete "The Killing Joke" as a personal favor to Brian Bolland.
That movie was wholesome af
What was this from?
@@gaminganimators7000 batman the killing joke I believe
Read the comic the movie is a slog
@musicandaffection6363a Oh? Found the pedo lover
"not to sound like people think I do, but IM BATMAN. I knew his name a week after I met him." idk why but this line is both awesome but really funny at the same time.
Interestingly, "the Tree Jokers" is not the first time we see his origin story being officially considered canon. In a "Gotham Knights" comic released in the 2000's, the Riddler reveals he witnessed Janey, the Joker's wife, being murdered by the two mobster that hired him, probably in order to make sure he will not renounce the job by using his family bonds as a moral excuse
Was this after Hush? I love the mental image of Batman coming to Riddler and bribing him with his Bruce Wayne money to be a false witness, with the Riddler aware he's Batman and him aware Riddler is aware so it's just like so impossible for Joker to imagine, making him never consider it a lie.
Ah yes, "the Tree Jokers" where Spruce Wayne finds the truth about Oaker!
@@frankkennedy6388 bravo😀
It's probably cause some writers didn't understand The Killing Joke's backstory wasn't meant to be definitive. It was just a possibility
Its not canon and never should be
Speaking of the iconic cover of "The Killing Joke" by Brian Bolland, the author himself made a few years ago a pretty similar art that depicts Walter Kovacs holding a Rorschach test card in front of his eye while saying to the reader "A Sweet Butterfly". It's a quite funny self-parody, actually
Man... the day Batman tells Joker that he’s Mark Hamil... it’ll be intense
Dang, so after Mark became a Jedi his fame got to him then he became crazy 🤪 Joker!😃
@@hackman669 i mean, chronologically you’re not wrong 🤷🏻♂️
I believe Batman is protecting the wife and kid while keeping an ace up his sleeve
I feel like the outcome would be unpredictable:
Maybe Joker would develop a split personality between the clown and the man he was?
Maybe joker would get over it and he’ll just claim that the man he was is dead?
Maybe the joker will hunt them down and kill them?
Or maybe the joker would become a half decent father figure while still being a super villain, like what what he does in the Harley, Quinn, animated series
Seeing joker being a loving caring step dad while still being a petty evil asshole was possibly my favorite thing in that show. That and Harley Quinn giving a guy cancer with the cancer ray
Citing that show is all the reasoning anyone needs not to include anything you've suggested here.
@@wildwikedwanderer1208omg same
Did you mean Batman: The White Knight series?
The white knight story does this pretty well actually
I would have said "now Jack dont you think insanity isn't the answer?"
There were three jokers, but in the end, the mystery on which Joker came first still remains unknown.
Three Jokers was so disappointing
Theres theories that the joker is Alfred lol.
@@leadnsteel1428 No, thats a Neil Gaiman book called "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader". Its an alternate universe where Alfred is Joker, and his actor friends are the rest. Batman finds out its all a play for him, goes out, gets into a real fight, and gets killed.
I'm pretty sure in Three Jokers, it's mentioned that not only does Batman know who Joker is, but Joker knows who Batman is. So if Batman did go after Joker's original identity, then Joker may go after Batman's identity.
Also according to Three Jokers Batman doesn't do it to protect Joker's wife and kid.
The 3 Jokers:
The criminal - The original Red Hood One that was dropped into the vat after a fight with Batman.
The clown - the one that killed Jason Todd as his final act, despite coming from the age of comics that regulated such things.
The comedian - an engineer that jumped into a vat to escape batman despite being an innocent hostage dressed up like a member of the gang. This is the one that Batman knows the identity of, Jack Oswald White.
Actually the those other two are impostor’s.
@@Batman-lg2zj He created them.
The comedian is the real joker
Those two-page DC Origins gave us three choices: the comedian from The Killing Joke, Jack Napier from Batman '89, and the original Red Hood. Joker chose the latter because it was a classic. I prefer the Napier variants. Starting out bad is better then turning bad since most of Bats' enemies were good people before going nuts.
I've always felt that Batman considers the Joker's true identity to be... the Joker. You have to remember how completely Bruce Wayne sublimated himself into The Bat. There's a reason he's often used in defining Becoming The Mask. With that in mind, Batman may be expected to presume that The Joker consumed who he used to be in turn.
Batman knowing who Joker's real identity is a dangerous ace in the hole. I dare say more dangerous than the Justice League's contingency plans.
This is interesting because I did not know that Batman knows who joker is
This reads like a filled in answer on a 2nd grader's analysis of a movie that they really didnt care about
Why doesn't he tell him? 'Cause Joker already knows who he is. Why tell him something he knows already?
Batman is saving it for the day that the Joker will be enlightened enough to understand when he tells him 'By the way, I boned your wife, and I've been raising your kid for years. Taught him how to ride a bike. Watched him hit his first home run. Put him through college.' and the Joker won't be able to do anything, there's no way at all to top that. Fucking brutal.
I would honestly like to see joker go back to being normal for a few years just to see how different dc would be.
Joker goes back to normal in Gotham White Knight. Great series joker becomes mayor and cleans up the city
I need Batman: Three Jokers to continue
It comes down to professional courtesy.
Bats and smile-boi have known each others secret identities for ages!
Joker is open about how the identity thing is tied to psychological issues, Bruce hides behind cold rationalizations about 'scary bats scaring bad-guys'.
Each of them needs the others 'working persona' to be able to function at all.
Joker is that one person we knew obsessed with role playing or make believe and would never break character regardless of wether the people around them were in on the bit. And the more you try to bring them back down to reality the more they try to reject it.
The ultimate twist would be that the Joker went mad before meeting his wife, and the end, Bruce doesn’t actually end up knowing. He just thinks he knows. And one day he’ll reveal the information, and Joker will turn the joke on Bruce
I read that title and think that’s probably gonna be due to not knowing what Joker would do. Joker could either do nothing, nuke Gotham, off himself, not care, whatever. It’s literally impossible to tell what could happen.
Of course Batman knew and isn't gonna say anything. What he and his one true husbando have when they go larping is special!
Finally someone made a video on it years ago they released a comic showing jokers true family and that Batman knows his real name but will never say
I thought it was suggested that Pre-Joker was an abusive husband, hence why Jeannie left and her death was staged. So whether it was the Joker or his Pre-Joker self, either one would be a threat to her and her son.
Where did you see the suggestion of the pre-Joker being abusive? I've never heard that take before.
@@liamfitzgerald7217She literally didnt want him to ever find her.
Or what if Bruce is hiding the Jokers family because he lost his and he knows the jokers pain so he hid them. And if he revealed it the joker would most likely kill them then probably kill himself. And those deaths would be on Bruce’s hands.
How about all the hundreds/thousands of victims that Bruce has allowed by not killing him once and for all. Are those victims blood not on Bruce’s hands since Bruce knows the Joker will continue to kill people.
…….I know from a publishers prospective it’s in their best interest to keep popular villains alive for the sake of future stories and capitalizing of the villains popularity to sell comics.
But any reasonable person can see that keeping the Joker alive is a horrible idea with deadly consequences.
@@WillieStrok3r but if Batman did kill the joker the Batman who laughs would be created and the whole planets population would die.
@@WillieStrok3rits not up to Batman. Deadshot, Lex Luthor, Deathstroke, all Gotham super villains would benefit from Joker being dead. He is inconvenient to them also. Plot wont allow anyone to get rid of Joker
In Arkham Knight, Joker was dead. Yet they still kept Joker's character in the entire story. They want to keep reusing Joker
@@ling8956 also batman hates this fact but he admits he needs the joker so maybe that’s why he doesn’t want to kill him.
3:35 Joker 2 behind the scenes
i think the fact joker stopped batman, joker internally knew subconsciously
So stupid, especially batman knowing one week after his first encounter with the Joker.
It removes some of the mystique behind the Joker and goes against his character.
Bruce: "I always knew who the Joker is, Alfred. I knew it since the day I met him..."
Alfred: "What?! How?!"
Bruce: "Dude, I am the Goddamn Batman! Need more answers?"
Alfred: "No, sir...Sorry..."
At 0:31 it’s death of the family in case u wanna read the comic the story after it is endgame
I was going to comment this
My headcanon has been that the Joker does know who he used to be and is in denial. The Joker wants to be seen as something more than an ordinary man, he wants to be an agent of chaos, something more symbolic than anything. He *hates* the idea of being forgotten, being ordinary. Oh sure he claims that nothing matters but he absolutely wants to be the center of attention. He can prattle that he's some sort of nihilist but actions speak louder than words. That's the real reason his past is "multiple choice"; he's a narcissist that refuses to acknowledge at the end of the day, he's just as human as everybody else. It's like how Bruce considers Batman his true self, except in a more extreme and twisted way
If the joker did find them and go sane he'd probably go insane again because one of his victims would probably kill them
You know what i would've loved? They made a movie origin of joker (as im sure you know. Good movie). Id love if they made multiple versions of the movie. All joker origin stories. Same actors but different story lines. "If i had to have a past. Id prefer it to be multiple choice"
That would have been an awesome franchise. Title them _all_ "Joker", too.
@@PosthumanHeresy they could do so much with the idea😂
And the Joker leaves tiny hints in each one of his fabricated backstory as to what is the real origin story, mixing around truth and lies in each one of them, leaving the viewer trying to figure which aspects happened and didn't happened, without the eyes of an insaine man.
@@joaquincasascortes624And then the final movie with the real origin story is revealed… Only for Joker to laugh and say “Or maybe I’m just insane0
@@joaquincasascortes624that's a very dope idea and I wish someone did something to that effect.
Whoever Joker was before is completely gone. Joker would most likely psychologically torment his old family just to prove to Batman that he has no low he won't go. Couldn't Joker find out who he was beforehand if he really wanted to?
Joker would be more obsessed with this family than batman which is scary because he might even kill batman in pursuit of his family.
The thing that bothers me the most with this whole "Joker's wife is kept under GCPD protection" shenanigan is the fact, that GCPD may just took wife and child from a man who seemengly had no criminal record to his name before becoming a Joker and, for all we know, was just a regular citizen in a very dark place. I don't know, it seems to me, if he realy could have been a danger to his wife or child, it could be just solved with going to family therapist or, alternatively, puting him in mental assylum and getting restraining order, not by ripping the seemingly innocent mentally ill man of his wife and child without any warning. And it just feels like if GCPD realy did it and Batman actually suports it, then they fully deserved averything that Joker has ever done to them
DC should do a what if story that doesn't affect the main continuity where they could explain what would "actually" happen.
What Batman really should do is amputate Joker's arms, legs, eyeballs, eardrums, and tongue -- and then say, "See, I didn't kill him, because killing is wrong!"
This is why these two are bound together. One is looking to make the other angry. The other is looking to make the other laugh.
6:45 unless Terry McGinnis is Batman then his words do affect Joker.
You know, I've had an interesting idea floating around in my head about a potential alternate universe in that all of the Arkham Asylum patients would be the good guys and Batman would be the bad guy. Of course, several villains would have to have their entire backstories and maybe even designs and histories dramatically changed but I think that it could make for an interesting What-If.
this alredy exist
@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tqhablas de la tierra 3?
@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 Que es Tierra 3?
@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq Also, would you like to tell me what issue of comics?
I hope that the writers make a comic where Batman tells the Joker his real name but he doesn’t get his memories back and instead tries to become sane or something else happens instead. It would be a good comic to read
I can’t remember what comic it was but they made Joker sane and he just went insane again due to the memories/guilt
@@102-d7i Oh yeah there is that comic but I mean a comic where the Joker turns sane after learning his real name but his memories don’t come back and he instead tries to live a normal life but he finds out that he can’t.
In comics, there is a status quo. This allows storylines to loop so comics can go on forever. What happens with Joker is meant to keep repeating stories with him in it
@@ling8956 Surely the writers can do something new with the Joker that they haven’t done before.
@@102-d7i It's in the video, the comic is White Knight.
What part of the jokers conduct makes you think introducing him to his family would end well for them?
Like would he stop mass murdering for them? That's not sustainable, to put his sanity on they're shoulders. What happens if they die, go crazy or he kills them?.
what if some thing in him just klicks and he desides he wants nothing to do with them like he find them wants to kill them but then just stands there blankly and then just turns around and live with out explaining why
@@FriendlyGhost-rf7tq I know it's comics, it's fiction. But what in all his years of mass murder and torture would make that a plausible outcome?
If it was a case where he's trying to be better, that there was some inkling of a good person there, something human worth saving, maybe.
DC these days doesn't know what to do with their characters. First Batman asked Metron's chair who Joker is, then gets the unexplained 3 Jokers as reply. Then there's Joker's pregnancy. Sheesh.
The answer is that the comics branch of DC aren’t willing to canonize the real name of the Joker because they think that if readers know the name then that’s one less hook to keep reading Batman but it wasn’t nearly as big a hook as they thought outside of Three Jokers. Readers don’t actually care that _Batman_ knows the name, we haven’t cared since Three Jokers and we certainly didn’t care since Metron’s chair, we only care that _we_ know which name is the canon real name. Doesn’t matter whether it’s Jack Napier, Arthur Fleck, Jack White, Jerome or Jeremiah Velaska, or any of the other myriad of plausible real names he’s had over the decades, what matters is they pick one (or three if Three Jokers was mainline) and officially declare canon.
This is more my head canon, but I always looked at it as Joker like Batman isn't stupid. I bet he knows his wife and kid are alive but like with knowing who Batman really is, it's not important to him or at best it's not "funny/fun" for him. I like to think the same in the injustice stories. You REALLY think the Joker didn't notice that Harley was gonna for almost over a year and when she came back and acted as if she never left? For some odd reason when it comes to real family or children of the Joker he seems to almost completely ignore it or act as if it was never a thing.
Bro 2 videos in 1 week? Christmas came early this year!
Plot twist joker is the real Bruce wayne
He'd probably just try and change his own back story through other means to ensure Chaos abounds.
To be honest, I didn't like how "Three Jokers" made the Joker's origin in that story 100% canon, as it ruins great part of the mystery that surrounds the character, and also revealed that Batman knew his true identity from the beginning
Yeah I agree. Another thing is that, in that story, it's implied that the joker was abusive to his wife. That kind of ruins his whole "one bad day can ruin the Normal person" Because if he was abusive, then he wasn't really just a regular person. Really not a fan of that story
@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAA one bad day cannot ruin a normal person. And change them into Joker and a skilled Kingpin worth millions. Thats just an extreme.
@@TOMAAAAAAAAAAAAThe joker abused Harley so it makes sense he abused his wife too.
@@justinarzola4584 yeah he bused Harley, AFTER he became the joker
@@ling8956 that's the whole idea of the character though, and the reason why the killing joke exists
Jack Oswald white in jokers real name as DC comics revealed
Joker mystery identity is pure BS. He's Jack Napier, nothing more, nothing less.
It wouldn't matter to Joker if Batman told him his real identity, Jack Napier or otherwise is dead, all that's left is Joker and damage is irreparable
Obviously it scared enough shit out of him to jump down these waterfalls, so i dare to disagree
That's the "Death Of The Family" storyline, not Endgame.
Great video. Fun thing, after reading the story about the three Jokers, I made an AU where he did find out his wife and kid was alive earlier in his career as a criminal. Doesn’t end well for them. Wife die and the child ends up taking Jason Todd’s place in history.
Bat’s likely doesn’t use that information because he doesn’t want Joker’s boy to have the one bad day, considering how focused Joker is on proving that hypothesis correct.
Which is why Batman acts as the city’s best asylum orderly 😅😆, so kids don’t get that one bad day etc..
It is a convenience for dramatic license. But lets also be real. Batman's computer contains information that could cause irreparable harm to thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of people, information that would get people killed. Information that could cause normal people who have had mistakes in their past to kill to keep those mistakes secret. "I have to protect these people specifically from the joker" doesn't hold a lot of water when you consider that they are not by any means the only people endangered by a breach.
Also I mean when it comes down to him just not wanting to kill the joker, well...................... You'd be amazed what a person can live through. There are other ways to deal with the threat he poses besides murder.
Man, whenever I end up hearing about comic Joker, I just keep thinking about how narratively he really needs to die. I'm not saying Batman needs to do it necessarily, but it makes no sense that someone so horrible can live so long without finally being killed by either a Batman that has just been pushed too far or some other person without Batman's strict code. Joker cannot be allowed to keep doing what he does. At some point some cop or someone needs to just shoot him on the way to Arkham. He's basically a demon that causes untold suffering, and there are no longer any good enough reasons that anyone with the opportunity should not kill him.
Joker has actually died in some spinoffs, but for mainline comics, they obviously can't do that because they need to keep making Batman stories literally forever, if possible.
If anything like this happens I just REALLY hope we don't get a "Joker Family" to rival the Bat Family.
Fr Batman a real one for understanding what this would do to joker even though joker has tried to ruin his life in every which way he can.
My favourite origin story was collected into the TPB "Lovers and Madmen" (not sure which comic line it was originally from). In this, the Joker was an unnamed hitman for hire who was so good at what he did he had become bored, never able to find any job he considered challenging (when asked for a demonstration of his skill, he tosses a deck of cards in the air and manages to shoot all four aces and both jokers before they hit the ground). After crossing paths with Batman he becomes obsessed with him, eventually leading to the fight in which he falls into the vat of chemicals and becomes the Joker. Although the end result is the same, I love the idea that he was already a stone cold badass even before he was the Joker, which makes way more sense than him being a bumbling loser who suddenly becomes super smart and agile as a result of being made insane.
I believe in the story "The Three Jokers" Batman revealed that he with the Gotham PD hid Joker's wife and child to protect them from the Joker and he knew the Joker's identity from the beginning. Joker was unstable before becoming the Joker and Batman would not want to risk an innocent to destroy one of his greatest foes.
What's funny is that Joker knows who Batman is. Legit it's said in the Joker War line(phenomenal highly recommend) that he just straight up always had the ability to know just like Batman. But as we all know, he never did because it would spoil the fun. I'm telling you man, a Joker who knows who Batman is and uses it against him is _scary asf_ .
I think it would be interesting if they did a what if story about what if Batman did tell the joker his wife and son are alive and who joker really is maybe it results in absolute carnage and Batman has to time travel or get a hero to do it to make sure he never does it. Because your right that’s exactly what joker would do he would jokerize them and they would probably lay waste to Gotham then metropolis then central city until it creates a killing hero like injustice superman to finally do what’s right and kill them
I think that this obsession with Joker’s backstory is unnecessary. It literally doesn’t matter.
And really, his origin story in “The Killing Joke” is silly at best. He’s shown as this naive guy, who loves his wife. He’s innocent in a way that a grown man in his condition could never be - he genuinely believes that the criminals that he works with can help him and he’s vulnerable with them.
Look. Unless the acid bath gave him superior intelligence as well, this back story doesn’t make sense for someone like The Clown prince of crime.
In relative terms in any situation where joker exists and his origin story and/or “powers” stay the same, then the death or jokerized family is either outcome for any joker. Or there’s the ‘he wont give a rats ass cause he knows he’s a comic character’ bit. And to be frank since he knows he’s a comic character, joker is actually the sane individual and everyone else is insane. I honestly see any joker doin all 3 or none of the above.
Joker also knows who Batman really is.
A sane Joker without the crazy fixation on Batman would be way more dangerous as he would have no issues revealing his identity to the entire world.
I think its better to physically beat Joker and keep that knowledge secret. Joker knows Batman is Bruce Wayne but only cares about beating the bat. Knowing who he was and his family still living would unleash a insanity that would be sick and brutal( even for Joker's standards)
R.I.P Kevin Conroy's Batman 🦇😢😭🤧
IMO regardless of what anyone does. It is a set point that there will always be a joker. When Bruce died in Earth-2 and Thomas Wayne became Batman and Martha Wayne became Joker. So it doesn't matter if Bruce tells him or not. If the original joker can't be the joker anymore then someone else will become Joker.
Heck even Tim Drake became a Joker in the Batman Beyond universe (Earth 12).
I remember when Wolverine was only Logan and he had no past. The character was mysterious and cooler back then. To know his origin destroyed his mystery aura and, because of that, Wolverine was diminished permanently.
It would be a shame to destroy Joker's mystery. By now, it's an essential part of him. Think Nolan's Joker, for example. Not giving him an origin or a name was a stroke of genius because it created a mythological dimension for him.
Besides that, personally, I enjoy the mystery and I don't have the need to be told every single detail about every character.
to be fair nolan's joker reminded me more of the riddler than the joker
Generally, Batman doesn't have a reason to tell Joker who he is. There's no guarantee it would be of any benefit, and always the risk it could make things worse. It's something Batman himself should know for the purpose of better understanding his enemy, but not something that he should share aside from as a last resort. The only thing that could get him to willingly give that information up would be if he was all out of other options and it was the only thing he had left that had any chance helping at all.
How could Batman turn Joker even more murderous than he already is? The dude already showed being willing to kill the whole universe (Emperor Joker).
@@josebencomo2385 Joker is willing to go to extreme lengths, but he isn't motivated to. Other than occasionally attempting crimes in the cities of other heroes (Which tends to not go well for him) just to see if it's any easier outside of Gotham, he generally sticks to playing his "game" with Batman. His primary motivation is to make Batman break his no kill rule. He's not putting his everything into being as destructive as possible, and even he usually doesn't know what he's going to do next.
If he were to find out what his true identity and past is, it could change things dramatically. There's the potential that he could stop being random, stop caring about his "game" with Batman, and just go full destructive nihilist. If that were to happen, he could quickly become the single most dangerous supervillain on the planet.
Why, why all want to exploit "the kiling joke"?
Allan moore created the mistery and sudenly...."I m batman and i know everything"
Allan moore make batman a man, a real man in a real world (best histories every)
Today is a super mega ultra siper hero with 0 weakeness (and auwfull comics)
One thing about Batman, he always has a plan. And he has a backup plan incase that plan fails. He's Batman.
The idea that Batman knew the Jokers identity one week after meeting him is an idea that I just fundamentally dislike. I like there being mysteries that not even Batman can solve, and I like the Joker being this mysterious entity in Gotham with no real discernible origin. It adds a level of intrigue to the character the less you know about him.
The Killing Joke is a great book, but even in that story it’s suggested that the events of Jokers origin might not be entirely truthful or correct. But the problem with the book is people in recent years have taken it as gospel for the joker. Retelling or re-referencing the same story over and over. I’m sick of hearing “ It just takes one bad day” repeated over and over again like it’s become the Jokers Catch phrase or something. Mostly I’m just sick of seeing the Joker now at days, he shows up to often to be interesting. I wish writers would retire the character for a few years like they did back in the day. But he’s become to popular. So instead of telling new interesting stories we get stuck with the same stories with a new coat of paint.
But the biggest issue I have with this, is adding the wrinkle that Both Jokers wife and kid are still alive. It removes the impact of the original book, but worst of all it opens the door for a writer to inevitably bring those characters back and Jokerize them. Eventually we are going to get a story with Son of the Joker where he is over edgy and over written, spouting the phrase “One bad day, right father” and it is going to suck.
I like to think that Batman got it wrong and that’s not his real family. I don’t think Joker would not know those people exist eventually and I think use them for game in the future, by proving he was never connected to them, killing them and setting Batman back to square one. Personally I don’t like that Batman knows who he is (I didn’t like there being more than one Joker as well to be honest) it changes things up in a way I don’t prefer. But the whole setup looks like there will be a bloodbath down the line involving the family and I’m curious to see what happens next 🦇🃏
I have a feeling that I MIGHT know what his real name is...In the Original Batman Movie,Jack Napier fell into A vat of chemicals. Well,if The comic book version of The Joker primarily remembers THAT origin, and is the most consistent memory....Then it`s a damned good possibility then,and I have a feeling that there is a good 90% possibility that I most likely am correct, that his real name IS Jack Napier..and think on this: Take away ac from jack,add ER from Napier,then just put in a O to the name..what do you get? That`s right....Joker. HE probably wanted to rename himself,so he just put in jk from his first name,er from Napier,Plus A o, to give himself a new name,PLUS he thought OF the Joker from a card,that looked like him too. Joker WAS BORN! SO I have a good feeling that JACK Napier is his real name!
If death penalty was a thing in Gotham… Joker would have been done ( but knowing joker, he probably find a way out lol)
He would plea insanity like he usually does.
Death Penalty is a thing in Gotham. They just dont apply it to Joker for plot reasons
@@ling8956 it work on him cos everty lawyer will play insanity card. and say he belongs in a asylum and escape agian
in general a diagnosis of insanity makes it pretty much impossible to get sentenced to death in the us. and in general in the joker's case it is so apparent i doubt any prosecutor would even bother asking for it as it would never go through and just be a waste of time and resources. now why none of the cops or previous victim's families never just shoot the guy in cold blood i don't know
Is there a lore reason Man doesn’t expose Jerker’s origin? Is he stupid?
Wonderful video!
Out of respect for Batman... I gotta say... While I think Batman DID figure out Joker's identity, I don't think it was so swiftly. Maybe once the Joker made it clear Batman was his fated foe and needed to be taken more seriously, he took it seriously and did every bit of possible research to find out. THEN I could see it being a week as a result of a few sleepless nights
That's why the files of Batman's plan to deal with the JLA are probably fake. What idiot thinks you can just shoot Superman with a kryptonite bullet? That bullet is probably what Batman would hand Superman with a gun to shoot himself. Superman is the one who brought in Batman in the first place because he wants someone to do what he wouldn't but when he does... I think Batman has a way to remind him about it and hand him that bullet.
Seeing Joker iwth his family would be interesting. He'd be conflicted. Some plto would have to be done to convince Joker that "jokerizing" his family woudln't cut it. Robin managed to still break out of it after all. So I can see it being possbile that Joker could be convinced there'd be no point in the end on that account. This can ultimately lead to seeing how conflicted Joker is with his family, his "old" life verses his "current" life. Which would have the result of seeing Joker really snap and lose it. This could have the end result of changing Joker completely. Still dark and morbid, but with something more then his obsession with Batman. Which can be BECAUSE of Batman.
Ok buuuut… is Three Jokers canon? There’s no clear answer on this yet. So seriously I’m open to hearing arguments
Interesting video. How should Batman solve the Joker Problem? Well, if he won't actually kill him, I dunno... maybe have him lobotomized?
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l think joker knows who batman is but he doesn't care about bruce but batman he cares about
imagine you realize you have gone years into insanity only to realize there’s still some one who loves you.yes you may go stable but you might just go worse and that’s if you don’t out right try and destroy your own past because you hate to look at it.
"If I'm gonna have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice" - Joker
I think this is the one scenario where Batman will kill the joker
That's just one Joker who were the other 2? That is the mystery here that keeps on going, heck I don't know if we know that this Joker is the one tide to that identity. 🤷♂️
The original Joker tried to make more but only two survived the experiment and in the end none of the 3 could remember who the original was.
OMG THIS QUESTION INFURIATES ME EVERY TIME DAWG THIS FUCKING DILEMMA WAS EXPLAINED IN DEATH OF THE FAMILY JESUS CHRIST DUUUUUDES!!!!!!!!!!
JOKER was like "meh" when he saw bruce wayne and Bruce was intentionally exposing his identity to him to see how he would react, he didnt care Joker thinks the principle of knowing the Bats identity jus ruins the point of the pandemonium he ensues.
3:37 i feel like you could put a fake grave and if needed add a skeleton to make shure the joker wil not hunt down his familie
1:52 "...but Joker doesn't know this..." This is the biggest misconception of this entire storyline. If you look at the paneling in it, the moment Batman says that Joker doesn't know that his family is in Alaska, there is an image of Joker... *showing* *up* *at* *their* *house* ! Joker's family is dead, likely gassed to death, and Batman will find them in some later story or series, long dead from Joker's Venom. Because the last thing Joker wants is to be in a position where he's like Batman: with people that can be used against him.
Batman Knows Who The Joker Really Is, So Why Doesn't He Tell Him? Is He Stupid?