ha HA! Back in 2018 I made a video and in that video I said about these issues with the MT range at the time. I have now added this video as a card on that video to show I was not lying! 👍👍
This fucking boils my piss. You don’t see corrosion on modern cars yet bikes turn to dust quicker than your gran at the crem. Yes I know bikes are generally more exposed but that’s more reason to improve the paint / coating standards from new. The multi million pound lotions and potions industry must love it as we try to spray their products on our bikes to hopelessly stop this level of corrosion. Cracking vid Matt.
The chain guard was there, I removed it before giving you the swingarm. Can’t believe how bad this part really was, I knew it was damaged, but not this bad😬
It's from a Tracer 7 not an MT07 ...... the Tracer has an alloy swing arm, the MT has a steel swing arm. The swing arm on my 2018 MT07 started to rust within 6 months from new ... without ever even getting wet!! Quite a few owners in the UK Owners Group made successful warranty claims for replacement swing arms .... unfortunately though the bikes entire frame is just as badly coated 😕
I had a 2016 MT07 for 2.5yrs from Jan 2020 to June 2022, the bike had just shy of 50k miles on it when I sold it. The engine was absolute gold, I rode that bike all year round throughout ownership, never had a single issue, valves checked at 40k miles, perfectly fine etc. Wouldve happily kept the bike forever but rust was just taking over, Id coat the bike in ACF50 regularly as well but the swingarm was all bubbling and pitting like a mf and the worst part was the tube steel frame itself. The bike felt cheap and nasty in general, fairings and other plastics felt like they were made out of quality street tubs and of course most of the bike was mild steel. The gem of the mid capacity yams are the engines, the MT07 and MT09 engines are insanely good, the perk of the mt09 is it has an aluminium frame but I think it shares the same mild steel swingarm as the MT07 apart from on the SP models
This would be a good time to vapor hone, or sand blast, clean, and prime with either Zinc Chromate, or Strontium Chromate, to keep the corrosion from rearing its ugly head in the future. Aluminum can sometimes be a little tricky, when it comes to adhesion and paint. It really needs to be prepped properly and coated with a good self etching primer, before painting, which the manufacturer neglected in this particular case. Great video, thanks for sharing.
a thing you can use for assembly when you want to not ding the finish is a silicone cooking mat (those you can get for your oven to bake stuff on) its a nice large sheet of rubber that you can put on your table wich A: grips good and B: will save the finish
This was mighty interesting to me. Back in 2019, I was considering a MT07. I watched dozens of reviews on the model, and I do mean dozens. A common theme mentioned on many was the visible early onset degradation of the swing arm. So this was a 'follow up' to me, you've shown me I made right decision to NOT buy a new MT07 (or 09) Thanx Matt, nice one. 👍
Yes, absolutely. 'Break' all the sharp edges, camfering them. And holes can be given a small countersink to 'break' the edge and a die grinder with a flap wheel used to round the edges. So all the edges are round and smooth, giving any coating much better adhesion. Where the chain has 'nicked' the swing arm, it could be welded and dressed depending how deep the gouge is.
Brilliant video jet again. Love watching you work. Ur years of experience is expressed in how easily you got a paint ready finish with that erosion disc in the ginger. Ps. Stop wiping it on the curtains 😂
Had same on a 2010 triumph 675 street triple on engine powder coat flaking off engine and that was just weekend summer use along with ragged bits on frame castings that ripped the skin of your hands.
As a DIY bodger, I generally get away with using a length of 12mm threaded rod with penny washers and scraps of tube for spacers. Good to see it being done properly though.
My driving instructor told me to stay away from the MT-07 if I wasn't on a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaal budget. I looked at a couple of them IRL and online, quickly realized they are built very cheaply. Of course got a lot of hate for pointing that out. :D
I have seen the same corrosion on an early 1200 GS on the front of the block where it lifted in the same manner with the dusty oxide underneath but the factory silver paint rather than powdercoat
thx Matt 😊 we need more of these type videos. i have 2 small questions, 1) let's say our bearing OD is 30mm. so does Yamaha machine the relevant bore (where the bearing is fitted) to something like 29.95mm ? is there a standard for that interference fit or does it depend on material, bearing size, load etc ? 2) is this swing arm aluminum alloy totally different from the aluminum alloy which is used in engine crankcases ? thx again. keep it up ❤
There are standard fits that are based on bearing type and receiving material. Load doesn't matter. The material is usually the same, it has to have good flow characteristics and weldability.
Matt, I posted a comment earlier, but YT seems to have deleted it; probably because it had links. Anyway, the Australian government have a website listing recalls, and there was no record of the MT07 being recalled for scabby swingarms. Note for potential commenters replying to this: yes I know that there may be different issues/faults between the batches sent to Australia and the ones sent to where you live, so telling me wont make you look big and clever. If you do decide to say something stupid, your willy will fall off ! You have been warned.
Honestly. I would not press out bearings like that on ally swingarm. Well its just me. I am not the press expert. My take would be like that: Support swingarm like you do. Pass socket extension through the swingarm hole that was on top and try to press out the lower bearing race. I have to much anxiety of squishing/ bending/ craking/ denting aluminium stuff. I know the readings on the press was low. Just saing my apporach when I do not want to F something. Ok now, watched the whole video, you have already mention that :)
I agree pressing "across" the swingarm is not ideal and could potentially damage it if too much force is applied in this way (I'm not saying Matt has caused any damage he knows how much force he is applying). I would have pressed them out through each side with the swingarm supported directly below the hole as you described. Doing it this way also keeps everything nicely aligned and less of a balancing act.
I have a 2016 model Tracer 700 bought 2018 new. Ride it since then and haven't seen something like this. Maybe because I only ride during summer season without salt on the road eh? lol What I always noticed when I start riding and hitting the break for the first time my ABS module sounds like a dying cat but that never really bothered me. Then I read Yamaha did a recall on that thing. But I have no trouble with the ABS working so... At least the federal motor transport Authority wrote me a letter if I don't do the recall on the two bushings and screws on the plastic chain guard they will decommission my bike until it is fixed LOLOLOLOL
Great explanations Matt! Jesus Mary Joseph I’ve seen some people bash sockets with a hammer getting bushes out of swingarms. Scary. The 2nd method of removing the bushes & seal was top notch. Supporting the end you were pressing out. Using that method upon installing will be just as much. Would you tack weld the tower so that it doesn’t move or moves as one?
@@dirtygarageguy I thought that because stuff like modern tyres have week and year as a 4 digit number on the side wall. I guess that batch number would be used for however long it takes to make that particular batch of swing arms.
Iv pressed beaing out like that before and split the weld on the swingarm. Somtimes too much flex if there really stuck and would need to have it resting on the base and extend the ram so its not in mid air
Yh unfortunately most bikes built to low budget are like that with the paint. Even the coolant pipes on the mt07. You do get it on the mt09 also. Not much so on the mt10
I know it doesn't matter, unless it's a tattoo (which I have seen many times), but your thumbnail Yamaha logo is for musical instruments and not motorbikes. 😊 I'm like the Yamaha logo police.
Someone needs to tell the MotoGP team they have he wrong sticker... resources.motogp.pulselive.com/photo-resources/2023/03/30/9f6d709f-c98f-4687-923b-84ea40ad4058/oIkSGRwN.jpg?width=2880&height=1620
@@dirtygarageguy The difference is very subtle, but yes I'm sure. Yamaha are quite particular about it if you work for them. For the musical instruments logo, the tuning forks are contained within the circle. For the motorcycles logo the tuning forks protrude into the circle. Subtle, and not massively important; unless you like tattoos! 😊
@@gadnuk7159 😂 Actually (not trying to suck anyone off), but by my reckoning Matt could teach a masters degree in motorcycle engineering and only use a small portion of his knowledge. The Yamaha logo is a common mistake that even the folks at Yamaha occasionally make (internally - it's picked up before it makes it out into the world). ☺
ha HA! Back in 2018 I made a video and in that video I said about these issues with the MT range at the time. I have now added this video as a card on that video to show I was not lying! 👍👍
Post a link to video here spicy
My mate has 2015, he had his swing arm powder coated in 2019 because of all the corrosion.
I love my motorcycle - it’s great for getting to the front of queues quicker.
It does always terrify the other people in the post office though.
This fucking boils my piss. You don’t see corrosion on modern cars yet bikes turn to dust quicker than your gran at the crem. Yes I know bikes are generally more exposed but that’s more reason to improve the paint / coating standards from new. The multi million pound lotions and potions industry must love it as we try to spray their products on our bikes to hopelessly stop this level of corrosion. Cracking vid Matt.
The chain guard was there, I removed it before giving you the swingarm. Can’t believe how bad this part really was, I knew it was damaged, but not this bad😬
I liked the “save that and make some filler” dig. Informative and witty as always. Cheers !
It's from a Tracer 7 not an MT07 ...... the Tracer has an alloy swing arm, the MT has a steel swing arm. The swing arm on my 2018 MT07 started to rust within 6 months from new ... without ever even getting wet!! Quite a few owners in the UK Owners Group made successful warranty claims for replacement swing arms .... unfortunately though the bikes entire frame is just as badly coated 😕
Actually, I think you will find, that the white powdery stuff is Hardly Ableson factory loctite !
Great video, really enjoy these ones and usually learn from them.
I had a 2016 MT07 for 2.5yrs from Jan 2020 to June 2022, the bike had just shy of 50k miles on it when I sold it.
The engine was absolute gold, I rode that bike all year round throughout ownership, never had a single issue, valves checked at 40k miles, perfectly fine etc.
Wouldve happily kept the bike forever but rust was just taking over, Id coat the bike in ACF50 regularly as well but the swingarm was all bubbling and pitting like a mf and the worst part was the tube steel frame itself. The bike felt cheap and nasty in general, fairings and other plastics felt like they were made out of quality street tubs and of course most of the bike was mild steel. The gem of the mid capacity yams are the engines, the MT07 and MT09 engines are insanely good, the perk of the mt09 is it has an aluminium frame but I think it shares the same mild steel swingarm as the MT07 apart from on the SP models
This would be a good time to vapor hone, or sand blast, clean, and prime with either Zinc Chromate, or Strontium Chromate, to keep the corrosion from rearing its ugly head in the future. Aluminum can sometimes be a little tricky, when it comes to adhesion and paint. It really needs to be prepped properly and coated with a good self etching primer, before painting, which the manufacturer neglected in this particular case. Great video, thanks for sharing.
a thing you can use for assembly when you want to not ding the finish is a silicone cooking mat (those you can get for your oven to bake stuff on)
its a nice large sheet of rubber that you can put on your table wich A: grips good and B: will save the finish
This was mighty interesting to me. Back in 2019, I was considering a MT07. I watched dozens of reviews on the model, and I do mean dozens. A common theme mentioned on many was the visible early onset degradation of the swing arm. So this was a 'follow up' to me, you've shown me I made right decision to NOT buy a new MT07 (or 09) Thanx Matt, nice one. 👍
The yamaha sticker is more durable than the powder coat!😂
Yes, absolutely. 'Break' all the sharp edges, camfering them. And holes can be given a small countersink to 'break' the edge and a die grinder with a flap wheel used to round the edges. So all the edges are round and smooth, giving any coating much better adhesion.
Where the chain has 'nicked' the swing arm, it could be welded and dressed depending how deep the gouge is.
Brilliant video jet again. Love watching you work. Ur years of experience is expressed in how easily you got a paint ready finish with that erosion disc in the ginger.
Ps. Stop wiping it on the curtains 😂
It's like you said in one of the live streams, they are building to a budget and quality suffers. Keep up the good work 🤩
Had same on a 2010 triumph 675 street triple on engine powder coat flaking off engine
and that was just weekend summer use along with ragged bits on frame castings that ripped the skin of your hands.
As a DIY bodger, I generally get away with using a length of 12mm threaded rod with penny washers and scraps of tube for spacers. Good to see it being done properly though.
My driving instructor told me to stay away from the MT-07 if I wasn't on a reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaal budget. I looked at a couple of them IRL and online, quickly realized they are built very cheaply. Of course got a lot of hate for pointing that out. :D
I have seen the same corrosion on an early 1200 GS on the front of the block where it lifted in the same manner with the dusty oxide underneath but the factory silver paint rather than powdercoat
I can say first hand that I had a 2019 mt07 and i got corrosion within a few months. They replaced it under warranty.
Interesting video 👍
thx Matt 😊 we need more of these type videos. i have 2 small questions,
1) let's say our bearing OD is 30mm. so does Yamaha machine the relevant bore (where the bearing is fitted) to something like 29.95mm ? is there a standard for that interference fit or does it depend on material, bearing size, load etc ?
2) is this swing arm aluminum alloy totally different from the aluminum alloy which is used in engine crankcases ?
thx again. keep it up ❤
1) obviously 2) obviously. Are you a woman?
There are standard fits that are based on bearing type and receiving material. Load doesn't matter.
The material is usually the same, it has to have good flow characteristics and weldability.
@@grahamgrazie this response is even better with no context 😂
@@dirtygarageguy thank you Matt 😊
@@UnCivilEngineerIRL That reply has since been removed, so I’ve DELeted mine also, obviously. 😊
It needs Tough black Matt
If you did not have a press could you draw it out with some threaded rod and use the opposite face to draw against?
Matt, I posted a comment earlier, but YT seems to have deleted it; probably because it had links.
Anyway, the Australian government have a website listing recalls, and there was no record of the MT07 being recalled for scabby swingarms.
Note for potential commenters replying to this: yes I know that there may be different issues/faults between the batches sent to Australia and the ones sent to where you live, so telling me wont make you look big and clever. If you do decide to say something stupid, your willy will fall off ! You have been warned.
That's because a recall and a warranty claim aren't the same thing. Recalls are from the OEM, and usually involve safety (or lack of)
@@dirtygarageguy I understand that, just doing a quick search for something concrete; hopefully your willy won't fall off 🤞🤞
Loving these coatings videos.
Clearly a thick coat of tuff black would solve all issues.
Honestly. I would not press out bearings like that on ally swingarm.
Well its just me. I am not the press expert.
My take would be like that: Support swingarm like you do. Pass socket extension through the swingarm hole that was on top and try to press out the lower bearing race.
I have to much anxiety of squishing/ bending/ craking/ denting aluminium stuff.
I know the readings on the press was low. Just saing my apporach when I do not want to F something.
Ok now, watched the whole video, you have already mention that :)
I agree pressing "across" the swingarm is not ideal and could potentially damage it if too much force is applied in this way (I'm not saying Matt has caused any damage he knows how much force he is applying). I would have pressed them out through each side with the swingarm supported directly below the hole as you described. Doing it this way also keeps everything nicely aligned and less of a balancing act.
I have a 2016 model Tracer 700 bought 2018 new. Ride it since then and haven't seen something like this. Maybe because I only ride during summer season without salt on the road eh? lol
What I always noticed when I start riding and hitting the break for the first time my ABS module sounds like a dying cat but that never really bothered me. Then I read Yamaha did a recall on that thing. But I have no trouble with the ABS working so... At least the federal motor transport Authority wrote me a letter if I don't do the recall on the two bushings and screws on the plastic chain guard they will decommission my bike until it is fixed LOLOLOLOL
Won't the inside be oxidising if the holes aren't blanked off!
Great explanations Matt! Jesus Mary Joseph I’ve seen some people bash sockets with a hammer getting bushes out of swingarms. Scary. The 2nd method of removing the bushes & seal was top notch. Supporting the end you were pressing out. Using that method upon installing will be just as much. Would you tack weld the tower so that it doesn’t move or moves as one?
If the date stamp is in weeks, 47W might correspond to the 47th week of the year in 2016.
The date wheel next to it gives you year and month, so it would make sense, but there's also a 6 digit number for the batch...
@@dirtygarageguy I thought that because stuff like modern tyres have week and year as a 4 digit number on the side wall. I guess that batch number would be used for however long it takes to make that particular batch of swing arms.
This’ll be a popular video I bet
what do you think of plastic coating parts
heeeeir blastin..
Iv pressed beaing out like that before and split the weld on the swingarm. Somtimes too much flex if there really stuck and would need to have it resting on the base and extend the ram so its not in mid air
Yh unfortunately most bikes built to low budget are like that with the paint. Even the coolant pipes on the mt07. You do get it on the mt09 also. Not much so on the mt10
put the bushings in the Freezer.. I like older Yamaha's with grease zerks on the swing are..
Or not.
There’s been a lot of warranty claims on the swing arm corrosion issue…..
Is there a hole? Can't remember if you said...
That swing arm needs some aloe vera
and i thought you will show us a trick with sticking in enough playing cards to mask it all off instead of removing the bearings
Powdercoat is a PITA to remove
I know it doesn't matter, unless it's a tattoo (which I have seen many times), but your thumbnail Yamaha logo is for musical instruments and not motorbikes. 😊 I'm like the Yamaha logo police.
You sure about that? You surr it's never been used in a motorcycle?
Someone needs to tell the MotoGP team they have he wrong sticker...
resources.motogp.pulselive.com/photo-resources/2023/03/30/9f6d709f-c98f-4687-923b-84ea40ad4058/oIkSGRwN.jpg?width=2880&height=1620
@@dirtygarageguy The difference is very subtle, but yes I'm sure. Yamaha are quite particular about it if you work for them. For the musical instruments logo, the tuning forks are contained within the circle. For the motorcycles logo the tuning forks protrude into the circle. Subtle, and not massively important; unless you like tattoos! 😊
@@jamesallen4050hell yeah, I’ve never seen anyone out-smart the smart-ass
@@gadnuk7159 😂 Actually (not trying to suck anyone off), but by my reckoning Matt could teach a masters degree in motorcycle engineering and only use a small portion of his knowledge. The Yamaha logo is a common mistake that even the folks at Yamaha occasionally make (internally - it's picked up before it makes it out into the world). ☺
Theres a difference between the mt-07 and mt-07 tracer swingarms; the tracer has a longer one in alluminimum
that's a lot of factory thread lock.
Tough Black spray paint will make it lovely 😊
That’s a tracer 700 swingarm the mt-07 swingarm was pressed steel that rusts at the welds and what about tenere700 wheel spokes they are really s**t
yamaha have problem in color coating. it's very thin.
ohhhh...
You can picture Del at home taking notes 😂 didn't go well, his pencil is turned out to be a match and burnt the page 🤠
Doesn't this happen to all jamahas? 😉
Del must be working down Yamaha on his days of the buses
It's tough black time ! . .. Holly molly shayt beefy corrosion . 👉👈
Tough black, job jobbed...
Time to break out the tough black
In just one video your press has more hours on it than the Balls one
My Chinese pit bike has got better coatings.
Bit of tough black will sort that out..
Fuck me, that makes your Z900 look good. Yamaha would have been better to use Tuff Cack.