Choosing Power vs Control Paddles, UPA-A Impact, & USAP Paddle Testing Meeting | EP 38

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  • @chanpickleball
    @chanpickleball 7 місяців тому +2

    Let us know when they release the slides. I'm curious about it.

  • @russellmurray8162
    @russellmurray8162 6 місяців тому +1

    I have a stack of expensive paddles that I’ve purchased looking for the next best thing and I keep returning to my Vatic Prism Flash. Great pod guys I watch every episode thanks!

  • @hruntingson
    @hruntingson 6 місяців тому +1

    Ultrasonic test was shown in the Selkirk video about paddle testing where they got a tour.

  • @ccogswell5746
    @ccogswell5746 6 місяців тому

    Your discussion about power player vs. control player and what type of player are you/what type to do want to be ? Braydon's introspection and then both of yours discussion on the subject was really helpful.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  6 місяців тому

      I’m glad you found it helpful, it was a good experiment for me as well. I’ve been playing a lot better lately since I’ve moved away from power paddles and am leaning into my strengths.

  • @aznflamel3oy
    @aznflamel3oy 7 місяців тому +1

    As Kyle was eludding to with his answer to the topics of Power vs Control paddles, I think it depends on the goal of the individual player. Clearly everyone would like to get better and win, but people go about in different ways in achieving that goal. For me personally, I pride myself in being an all-rounder player, and I work on every single aspect of my game. Even though I'm pretty balanced, my skinny body build results in low power output, and I feel more confident in my ability to control any situation, so I decided to go with a Power paddle (Pickleball Apes Pro Line Energy) to compensate for some of the lack in power. This would then help to balance out my weakness. Another factor to consider is also your playstyle. I have a tennis background, so it's natural for me to do drives, and so I got the Pro Line Energy to fit my syle of play. I still do drills to improve all other aspects that I lack such as dinking, resets, and drops, but ultimately driving the ball is the best part of pickleball for me. Ultimately, if your playstyle doesn't suit you and you're not enjoying the game as much due to the paddle not providing you a sense of satisfaction, then... what's the point?

  • @MrJtbronco
    @MrJtbronco 7 місяців тому +2

    Braydon, I’m just getting started with pickleball here in Boise (hello, neighbor!) and really appreciate your perspective and commentary. This paddle discussion with more experienced players in particular was helpful.
    Constructive observation/feedback: I’ve noticed I routinely find myself thinking I need to turn up my phone brightness while watching/listening to the pod, only to find that it’s already up. I don’t know enough about video production to even begin to know how to fix that but it’s an observation I’ve had on multiple occasions. Hopefully that’s helpful in some way 😂

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому

      Hey! Glad you enjoyed the episode, hopefully we run into each other soon. And thanks for the feedback.

  • @floatnjoe4560
    @floatnjoe4560 7 місяців тому +3

    As someone who has never been scared of getting hit by the ball, I got my Johnson annihilated by a counter from a vice earlier this week that I’m still recovering from.
    I am a big no on power paddles. Understanding vice in next lvl and illegal I may need that crbn cup moving forward.

  • @shelbylangston329
    @shelbylangston329 7 місяців тому +1

    I am super stoked on the new Maverix Havik 15. I definitely feel like it's all Court leaning towards power but it has such a nice feel when you slow it down. Love to know what you think?

  • @TaylorBowermanPB
    @TaylorBowermanPB 7 місяців тому +2

    Im in the same boat with all these new paddles, I love the og hyperion but for singles It just lacks the power vs these new paddles so now Im trying to find the paddle that I can use both for and its a pain in the ass. The tko-c is just so fucking hard to drop and the sweet spot is questionable. I've been using the gen3 perseus and its honestly the best paddle I've ever used period. It's honestly perfect for control players who need extra power. The paddle is so good but if it doesn't get reapproved I'll probably switch to a gen2 perseus for the same shape and power over my old control paddles.

  • @sesamesprinkles
    @sesamesprinkles 7 місяців тому

    Do you guys think, just like crbn, joola will send out UPDATED paddles? Or will it just end up being we keep our inconsistent gritty paddles to play?

    • @DinkSmashMedia
      @DinkSmashMedia 7 місяців тому

      I think if it comes down to it! They 100% will

  • @tomfowlerwrites919
    @tomfowlerwrites919 6 місяців тому +1

    I can't seem to get away from my Prism Flash, either.
    As a non-tennis player, I looked for a paddle to help me supply power. So I got a Viva Pro Gen 2. It's a good paddle, but I've learned it's not for me. Drops are a little harder--I go back and forth between hitting them too high or deep and then taking a little off the shot and hitting the net. I played 5 games with the Viva yesterday, got annoyed, and went back to the Flash for the final 2. Much better games.
    I'm considering the J2/J2K or one of the poorly-named 11Six24 paddles for something that's all-court and thermoformed.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  6 місяців тому +1

      The j2k is good - here are some quick thoughts I write down about it recently, pickleballeffect.com/pickleball-effect-gear-forum/?wtp=post%2Fhonolulu-pickleball-company-j2k-review-13378091

  • @gintu05
    @gintu05 7 місяців тому +1

    Went from Prism Flash 16mm to gen 3 CJ scorpeus, and recently gone back because of delisting and yeah I sort of want something in between now. The put away on the Vatic is pretty bad after playing with a power paddle but totally agree with Braydon can get off balance shots and resets back way easier on the Vatic. Also the handle on the CJ is so thicc.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому

      I'm sure we are not the only two figuring this out now ha

  • @HowieB-isMe3885
    @HowieB-isMe3885 7 місяців тому +1

    I’ve been using the Mach 2 forza and wanted a little more pop and power with still the low swing weight and large sweet spot. So I ordered the Honolulu sword and shield J2k

    • @landonp.4073
      @landonp.4073 7 місяців тому

      Might want to check out the Spartus Apollo. Same shape as the Mach 2.

    • @HowieB-isMe3885
      @HowieB-isMe3885 7 місяців тому

      @@landonp.4073im waiting to see if issues.

  • @KO1967
    @KO1967 7 місяців тому +1

    You are spot on that UPA (Dunden) is 100% about money. But, if you think UPA paddle certification is only going to be $2,000 I think you're a bit optimistic. My guess is UPA is going to charge $50,000-$100,000 per year per manufacturer for up to X (maybe 8) paddles and they are going to claim it's for ongoing testing, compliance, continued R&D, etc. The companies with sponsored pros will do it and raise paddle prices to the consumer. Smaller companies trying to break in and maybe sponsor 1 pro will either have to pony up, rely on players that will never play PPA and only play smaller/USAP tournaments, or go under. All done so UPA can profit off this angle.

  • @groot3371
    @groot3371 7 місяців тому +1

    I enjoyed the information presented in your podcast. I agree that PPA, MLP and the UPA is only looking on how much money they can make and not the safety of the sport. If it comes to pass that PPA/MLP/UPA does their own testing/certification of paddles, then it is like the saying, “allowing the fox to guard the hen house.” Not very credible when everyone knows that they are just looking out to make money and not the safety of the players of all ages. I also agree that USAP needs to be more transparent and proactive, because being reactive and non-transparent is really hurting their image and no one can believe what they are saying. Thank you, Braydon and Kyle.

  • @robedwards6926
    @robedwards6926 7 місяців тому +1

    Hey, Brandon
    Try the Honolulu Sword & Shield J3. I just started using it. The control is fantastic and it has enough power to put the ball away. I added tungsten to the sides.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому

      Nice, I have that one now and will be giving it more time here soon.

  • @af02271
    @af02271 7 місяців тому +2

    I’m pretty sure 80% of players would play better with a Vatic Prism vs any of these new power paddles. Myself included😂, 4.5 player, was using the new Perseus and got so frustrated by hitting everything deep. Dusted off the prism and played the best I have in months… so freeing to be able to swing again.

  • @PickleballHangout
    @PickleballHangout 7 місяців тому

    What about a Traditional scoring with single serve side out and serve from the side based on the score like rally?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому +1

      I've never thought of that one, could be interesting.

  • @Newchiii
    @Newchiii 6 місяців тому +1

    Seems like the Joola Scorpius would be right up your alley, power, hand speed, control. I know 11Six24 has their new Monarch wide body coming in June that has the elongated handle and the CFC surface the Hurache has, that might be what you’re looking for.. I feel your pain though because I’m on a constant paddle quest trying to find what suits me best 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  6 місяців тому +1

      I like the idea of the widebody cfc, that could be a winner

  • @fishinfever3577
    @fishinfever3577 7 місяців тому

    What would you say is the best paddle in the Hybrid shape that has a large sweet spot, lots of power and control and low swing weight?

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому +1

      You have the Vatic Prism Flash that is the best control hybrid, the Bread & Butter Loco is another good control hybrid. Then the Vatic Flash and 6.0 DBD are a couple of the best all-court hybrids and then the Thrive Azul and 6.0 BD are two of the best power type hybrids.

    • @juansantiago1441
      @juansantiago1441 6 місяців тому

      Where would you put the Ruby in this list?

  • @AlanThorsen
    @AlanThorsen 6 місяців тому

    Control vs. Power, great topic. I'm with Braydon with leaning towards control. I find the ball has a big effect on whether I want to use a control paddle (for me the Vatic Prism Flash 16 mm) or a more powerful paddle (the thermoformed Vatic Flash 16 mm or Six Zero DBD 16 mm). Soft Onix indoor balls, my go to is the thermo Vatic Flash, Harder Dura/Franklin, etc. balls, I prefer the Prism Flash over the other 2 although I will use the thermo paddles as well. That said I mostly play doubles, I would definitely use the thermo paddles for singles.
    I don't think the thermo Vatic Flash gets enough love. The handles on the Vatic paddles are perfect in my opinion. I like the DBD as well, it has slightly less pop than the thermo Vatic Flash which for me makes it more controllable with harder outdoor balls. The handle width on the DBD's tends to be inconsistent which is annoying.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  6 місяців тому

      Great comment! The ball you use and the climate you live in should play a role in the paddle you select and that isn't talked about enough. A power paddle in a dry, high altitude area will feel like an all-court paddle in humid, hot areas. And if you use a soft ball like the Onix indoor balls then you'll want something with more umph to it like the Vatic you mentioned.

  • @LyleBush
    @LyleBush 7 місяців тому +5

    Personality type plays a big role in the type of game a person plays. Braydon, you may be a patient person which comes out in your control style of play. Trying to play a power game may conflict with your personality type and actually lower your overall play.

    • @adamheath4599
      @adamheath4599 7 місяців тому

      Yeah agreed. It’s definitely also person to person. But I think in general maybe it’s best to have a paddle that suits your game and then try to round out your game organically. So instead of getting a power paddle work on your own power generation. Or vice versa if you’re a power player work on your touch and control.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому

      Love this, yes, that's how I'm seeing it now.

  • @mbr05c
    @mbr05c 7 місяців тому

    I recently moved from the Gearbox back to the Diadem Icon v2 I was using before it(i picked another one up on sale), broke that in a month, and went from that to a PIKKL Vangage Pro which is a more middle of the road paddle. I play better….with more access to more control. I think we get hyper fixated on the points where the power was the decisive factor, but I could triple the length of the rallies with a more control oriented paddle( at least defensively, I could end them if I needed to given the right spots). The difference of 6 inches to a foot of sailing the ball a little high on an aggressive push-back shot is the difference between getting it in the kitchen and having another ball jammed down your throat. The power paddles for me lose me more points than gain. So yeah, back to control.

  • @Pickleandrepeat
    @Pickleandrepeat 7 місяців тому +1

    lolll. "control paddle but hit the weight room" is meee

  • @BenjaminAndersonPickleball
    @BenjaminAndersonPickleball 7 місяців тому +2

    I think you should use the paddle you are most comfortable with. If you want to improve your power, focus on your technique rather than the paddle.

  • @MJDGator
    @MJDGator 7 місяців тому

    I just fought off the urge for a power paddle and ordered a Pulsar FX R2. I think I will enjoy the larger sweet spot and I am not really giving up any power coming from a M1 Forza based on the numbers from John's database.

  • @kimleith1378
    @kimleith1378 7 місяців тому +1

    Deep dive into these topics. Spin over power. Change the limit for more spin. Would make the game better.

  • @PickleballTodayCanada
    @PickleballTodayCanada 7 місяців тому +1

    NIce pod guys. I;ve been. listening since your day 1.
    We launched ours in Canada last week. (It's Canada niched.)
    UPA-A self-declared GLOBAL domination on pickleball as well. The global part was what I found most hilarious, as it ignores every worldwide national entity and regional federation and even the currently two 'world federations." What a mess.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому +1

      haha I didn't think of that, that's pretty funny when you put it that way. Thanks for listening in, I'll look up your pod.

    • @PatrickBatty
      @PatrickBatty 7 місяців тому +1

      @@pickleballeffect Thanks very much Brayden. Our pod is called PickleballToday - The POD. It’s on YT and all podcast platforms. It’ll only get better. Cheers
      Patrick Batty

  • @cookesj
    @cookesj 7 місяців тому +1

    USAP need to be run by a professional association CEO - like someone that has been the CEO of some other association that knows how to run an association. Also I think they should be getting paid more by paddle companies - maybe based on volume of sales like $2 a paddle or something like that to fund testing.

  • @itsDecap
    @itsDecap 7 місяців тому +1

    I legit just made a note on my phone yesterday about either capitalizing on my strengths (control) or evening out with more power & I agree with you about leaning on your strengths.
    Personally I’m waiting for the Ronbus R2 Nova (w/ new peel ply for more spin) since it’ll be more control and a standard shape!

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, I like that way of thinking about it now. It's our strengths that are going to win matches and we should lean into that with our gear and strategy.

  • @49pickles
    @49pickles 7 місяців тому +1

    I was thinking it would be great if paddle reviewers could mention what skill level a paddle would work for. 2.5 and up? At least 4.0. Or, beginner, intermediate, advanced. Some do. Some don’t, but if it were the norm It would really help.

    • @pickleballeffect
      @pickleballeffect  7 місяців тому

      That's hard to say exactly but I do think that control oriented paddles are generally better for 3.5 and less since controlling the ball is the hardest skill to learn and you don't need as much power to put the ball away since it doesn't come back quite as often but as you move up in levels a specific paddle type doesn't necessarily correlate with your level and it's more of what you need and your shape preference. There are pros that kick butt with big power paddles and pros that kick butt with big control paddles.

  • @49pickles
    @49pickles 7 місяців тому

    First team gets to 21 all scoring goes to regular?

  • @lutherbonow5047
    @lutherbonow5047 7 місяців тому +1

    USAP did this mid tournament because I believe they found out the UPA-A was going to create their own paddle sanctioning body. They didn't pull the refs, put they quietly dropped the Joolas. Let the chaos ensue...

  • @rinab9876
    @rinab9876 7 місяців тому +1

    Why doesn’t the USAP just test paddles the same way the golf industry does with golf clubs? With golf clubs, they test club speed and ball speed. Ball speed / club speed is what they call Smash Factor. Smash factor isn’t allowed to be more than 1.5. The measurements are taken with either radar or photometric measurements. Seems like you could easily set up a machine to swing the paddle at a fixed rate, and then just measure the ball speed with radar or cameras.
    Why is it so convoluted? The test you described sounds good for measuring pop, but not power.

  • @tonym753
    @tonym753 7 місяців тому +5

    Thanks for voting too powerful

    • @douglasmurdoch7247
      @douglasmurdoch7247 7 місяців тому

      They’re like 10% more powerful. Big whiners, all of you

  • @ccogswell5746
    @ccogswell5746 6 місяців тому +2

    NAMI - National Alliance on Mental Illness 🙂

  • @harryhoople1684
    @harryhoople1684 7 місяців тому +1

    Joola paddles approved by the end of the week? Nah!
    Do you really believe the explanation from Joola? ("We accidentally sent the wrong paddles for testing") Nah!
    Do you really think Joola selflessly initiated the current Gen3 debacle by notifying USAP of their "administrative error"? No!
    Did Joola have guilt feelings about sending the wrong paddles for testing last November and say, "I'm so ethical that I'm going to put my company in economic jeopardy and ruin my Gen3 paddles introduction by notifying USAP"? Nyet!
    USAP probably heard from the pros and Selkirk that Joola production paddles in the retail marketplace were not passing specs (grit and deflection) and decided to retest Gen3 paddles purchased in the marketplace. The paddles failed; USAP notified Joola; Joola had no credible explanation but created the administrative excuse; USAP delisted their paddles.

    • @douglasmurdoch7247
      @douglasmurdoch7247 7 місяців тому

      The story that Joola is the one who notified USAP comes from USAP itself.

  • @douglasmurdoch7247
    @douglasmurdoch7247 7 місяців тому

    Safety? I’m sorry but this is such a silly argument. None of these paddles are unsafe. I’ve played against Gearboxes and Gen 3s, and the idea that they’re “unsafe” is laughable.

    • @DinkSmashMedia
      @DinkSmashMedia 7 місяців тому +1

      The speed of the ball at the net is going to eventually reach a speed that exceeds reactionary ability. We need to limit power before we get there. I’m all for this being the line but eventually a line needs to be drawn where we want our game to go.

    • @douglasmurdoch7247
      @douglasmurdoch7247 7 місяців тому

      @@DinkSmashMedia that I do agree with. But from my own experience on the court, I think it’s hyperbole that these current power paddles are dangerous and a menace.