I didn't expect Shoji and Koda to become so badass in the final fight, but give it to Horikoshi for efficiently giving their characters so much personality in just one episode
In the manga spinner is the narrator of MVA and there was a scene moved to season 6 and some cut especially with re-destro. Over all, the way it’s directed in the manga puts on more emphasis on spinner and makes his story feel more complete, even if literally he doesn’t get much more. To counter that I really like how this episode was handled
Yeah, I've also heard that Horikoshi wanted to do a whole Shoji arc but couldn't fit it in. Its much better set up in the manga, but even still this was a banger episode.
That explains everything. No wonder they ended up as villains. If my only interaction with people was the LoL community I'd also be calling for a purge.
One thing to look back and realize in retrospect is that for the USJ incident, Shiguraki brought what was described as the dregs of society, the ones who fell in between the cracks. If you recall, there were a loooot of heteromorphs there. In fact, the very first criminal of the show was a shark heteromorph. Like, some people are saying this is an undercooked plotline, and maybe that's true from the perspective of Shoji's storyline, but there have been hints of this going on from the beginning. It's us as an audience who didn't look any further. Like, "of course the bad guys have a bunch of monster-looking guys! They're the bad guys!" But once you get into thinking about the _why_ , it all makes so much sense. It's just never been in focus because we've mostly seen the world through the lenses of non-heteromorphs. But, like with everything else in the hero society, a lot of the problems of disenfranchised people got swept under the rug, whether it's people with unsuitable quirks, dangerous quirks, etc. The heteromorphs are a continuation of that theme. They're another underline in the emphasis that the world of MHA was not okay. It becomes more and more apparent that the society All-Might was holding together had serious flaws and imperfections, like cracks in a damn that was waiting to release a floodgate, but he kept it together through pure strength and will. Once he shattered, everything else did too.
especially mutations. eri's quirk is unlike any other quirk in her family line and is more similar to overhaul's quirk than her own father or mother's. mutations in quirks happen, and as it turns out, shoji is a mutation. his family don't have arms like his, meaning that to the rural people he was born among, he was probably seen as a cursed child. he's a mix of toga and spinner's backstories.
This episode is one of the reasons why MHA is my favourite shounen, the amount of characters it has and yet Horikoshi always gives every character a role and their chance to shine
I remember thinking he was boring when I started watching the anime but he only got cooler as time went on. Heroes that are passionate and just rock solid steel willed types in the face of adversity always get my blood pumping.
Now that we know about Shoji's childhood, if we look back into S3 when the 1A students were doing dorm tour Shoji's room was just empty with a matress and desk. Todoroki thought Shoji was a simplist but Shoji said he does not have desire for materials. That's probabaly how he grew up as a kid. Maybe not even a room. I can't.😭I want to give Shoji a big hug Also baby Koda is the cutest creatute in MHA
Never thought about this, you raise a grat point. At the time I thought his big body wouldn't let him have a lot of things in his room anyway. Maybe that's prejudice on my part. It can also be the case that he does in fact like being a minimalist not only because of his abusive childhood, but maybe because rural areas are usually some of the poorest, especially in Japan. Maybe the village didn't forcefully take things away from him, but instead he was just raised poor. In any case, I really liked your reinterpretation of the earlier seasons with this added context. I wonder if this can be seen in other episodes where he appears.
@@antonypastrikos7036 When Nejire first met the 1A students, she asked about Shoji's mask. Shoji replied 'In the past...' but she then moved on her interests to other students. In the movie Heroes Rising, the villain Chimera grabbed Shoji and said 'You must've been bullied a lot for the way you look. Do u resent your parents?' But Shoji did not have the chance to answer. I think the writter was planning on telling Shoji's story since long long time ago, everything were hints
What a powerful episode. I love when the series goes into this topic because of how believable it feels. Props to the show for making me care so much about Shoji in one episode too
Hiding your true appearance, or even true self to avoid scaring people is an unfortunate reality. Truth be told, I think both ways of rising up against oppression and prejudice have their merits. But I guess that’s the hardest choice for a lot of people. Truth be told, I feel really bad for Spinner. While he may not have wanted to be the face of this cause, he definitely cared on some level. But that care he had was physically warped into whatever he is now by All for One. On one hand, I would want to support a movement like this, because truth be told, a lot of people, whether intentionally or not, have hurt heteromorphs, and society has enabled that kind of behavior. But on the other hand, I can’t say that attacking a hospital is really a great way to prove the point that heteromorphs deserve equal treatment. It’s sad to say, but if All for One loses, then many of these people would be thrown in prison and seen as nothing more than criminals to the public. Obviously, I don’t blame them for acting the way they are though. It’s not fair that they have to make the choice to be strong against unwarranted discrimination that was thrown against them. Nothing about any of this is fair. But I guess that’s my main point. How should we choose to rise up against an oppressive world? Time is one of the main things that will tell.
HETEROMORPHS RISE UP! While it hasn’t been at the forefront exactly, there have been a lot of instances of heteromorph prejudice that we’ve seen before this. Sometimes not even intentionally. Shoto Todoroki called the chief of police a “mutt,” and a member of Class 1-B saying that octopuses creeped her out to Shoji’s face. And then of course there’s the Creature Rejection Cult from last season. It’s a genuine problem that some people, heroes included, can gloss over at times. That leads us to here. Two different perspectives. Should heteromorphs tear down the corrupt system that enabled this kind of prejudice? Or should they prove the prejudice people wrong by becoming a part of that system? Either way, it’s hard to say whether or not that grudge will ever truly disappear. Biggest regret here though? Accepting those quirks from All for One. By manipulating the emotions of those who were wronged by society, he’s using their cause to further his own agenda. And now, the only person who could possibly understand what was going on, can barely speak properly. Ultimately, this cause was part of a bigger picture that speaks to the corruption of hero society, and changing the world for the better...
There's a scene in Jump Force (the fighting game, I loved it despite what a lot of people said) where whenever Deku is team leader in a fight against Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z, Deku immediately calls him a villain to which Piccolo responds in surprise at the comment. I always thought it was unintentionally hilarious in a fucked up way.
I went into this episode like “ok let’s see some side characters pop off” and by the end I was like IM SORRY I CALLED YOU SIDE CHARACTERS BOYS YOU WERE GREAT
IMO as a manga reader, there was some important Spinner content that got cut from the anime, but even if the anime did include those scenes, the whole Heteromorph subtheme in the grand scheme of the story would still ultimately feel half-baked. I wish these themes had more focus and attention prior to this end game moment rather than tiny little nuggets spread sparsely throughout the prior seasons.
Caleb & Jacob's reaction to when they saw Shoji's neck scars nearly made me cry ;_; Fricking love how sympathetic these guys can be, always can count on looking forward to their reactions in heartfelt moments.
I can't really explain it, but the sadness I felt when Spinner was shown all bulky and barely able to talk, man, a big hole opened in my stomach. He's not my favorite character from the series or the villain cast, but he kinda felt like the most relatable, so I was always cheering for him in the back of my mind. Even if he didn't really want to be the spokesperson for the heteromorphs' cause, he would finally get his time to shine and not only be part of something good, but lead it, remembering how he always felt kind of aimless in life and full of frustration but lacked convictions to do something about it or follow a cause... But now he's lost his agency and to me it just feels like he's died and we're just watching a corpse with his face moving along to All For One's tune, a real tragedy, to see someone I still had hope for just loosing all chance
As long as I lived, I'll NEVER forgive BONES for axing and ruining Spinner's character arc and development back in S5, he's literally my favorite character in League of Villains At this point, when Shigaraki said Spinner is waiting for him to show him the "horizon", it wouldn't make sense to anime-only, because BONES cut out the reason why they share such a strong bond after My Villain Academia, and they also cut out the part Spinner saw the first horizon Shigaraki created at the end of that arc
As far as Spinner in the manga is concerned, you're not missing too much compared to the anime. All of his scenes and the major beats are the same, with the sole exception being the removal of most of his narration from MVA. Even this is mostly just there to act as a POV for the arc and deliver exposition. Any insights into his character from the narration can be inferred from the anime as well, albeit not quite as strongly.
The manga does have a bit more of this plot-line regarding the heteromorphs, but It’s biggest problem as a complete story is that it is a bit undercooked considering the fact that thematically I do think it is as important as the Todoroki plot-line
I don't think it's undercooked at all. We as an audience have just been too blind to see that Horikoshi has been cooking this the whole time. We just automatically accepted that there was a Shark bad guy or a slime bad guy, or a bunch of monstrous looking people helping Shiguraki during the USJ incident, even when we were told he brought in the most desperate dregs of society. We just accepted that the bad guys had monster people, because the bad guys always had monster people. In retrospect, it's always been there as part of this world. We just didn't realize it. We haven't had it in focus because the story mainly follows non-heteromorphs from the city. it's yet another problem that All Might couldn't solve with his fists that has boiled over like with all the other cracks in the society he held together.
@@DWargs Thematically I totally agree with you. The reazon I think it´s a bit undercooked is because the perspective of heteromorphs was just properly introduced. Sure, since MVA and since then we have gotten things with a lot of implications... but without seeing it in much depth. We have seen the perspective of many people who felt thru the cracks and how that happened to them little by little, but we get that for heteromorphs in the final battle of the series when things are in the most extream context. We don´t even get to see any representation of how anyone could reach the point of being a part of this mob... we are just told All for One is behind this campain...
we get hints about heteromorph prejudice as far back as the USJ arc. tsu comments that because most people can't read her emotions on her face, she has to speak her mind and be blunt, and one of the villains comments that erase doesn't work on heteromorphs, which aizawa counters by saying heteromorphs tend towards petty hand-to-hand brawling.
I was so surprised that you guys empathized with Shoji-kun, Koda-kun and Spinner. Most of my friends living in the US are telling me that I should never think of moving there because of the discrimination against Asians. However, Shoji-kun was really cool. The voice actor, Masakazu Nishimura talked about this episode in All might Nippon, and it was very interesting. The subbed version will be made soon. It would be interesting to you too, if you have any chance. FYI, Mineta-kun never discriminate against anyone, you can see in the sports festival😊
As someone also living in the U.S. it’s a mixed bag. There is unfortunately plenty of racism Asians of different backgrounds experience here, but certainly not everyone is like that. It’s probably pretty similar to how bigotry is described in the show, exists everywhere, but is more extreme in rural communities where people aren’t as diverse. It’s a general attitude that often is reflected by society, but there are plenty of people like class 1-A who think it’s horrible and fight against it. I used to live in a smaller city in a conservative area, and we had a transfer student from East Asia one year. She was wonderful and was a great friend to me and other people I knew, but she also experienced mean comments and jokes from some students. It really depends on a lot of things. The average American will say they believe discrimination is bad if they are asked, but unfortunately not everyone is always aware of when they are partaking in discriminatory behavior and need to be called out to understand they are being hurtful
Interesting discussion on Spinner at the end there, really feel the manga does a better job showing just how much of a pivotal character he is. I feel his story is a complete and satisfying arc in the manga.
Seeing the history of heteromorph abuse makes me more sympathetic to the villain side and less on board with society or the heroes. It seems kind of hard to support the heroes when there has been this injustice about heteromorphs and we're yet to see anything done about it
As a black guy I don’t really like the idea of not sticking up for yourself. The mere idea of you going against your abuser “setting society back 30 years is dumb” I feel like a lot of change in society has been made through fighting back. yes peaceful protest and stuff are needed too but I always hate the idea of always having to turn the other cheek. They do the hospital thing to give the heroes the moral high ground but why the fuck is kurogiri in a hospital with people?!?!
It's a good point, and that's why I don't really think that it's as clear as painting those fighting back as entirely wrong. They're even being told to "martyr themselves," when we know that's ultimately what's going to happen to a lot of these people. At the same time, current society is clearly flawed, and change needs to occur (even Deku knows this). The current system *is* corrupt, regardless of whatever Shoji may see as the "right" way to respond. And yet, their cause is only being pushed for the benefit of All For One. As Shoji says, "don't let them take advantage of your scars"... well, that's exactly what All For One is doing. He doesn't care about their cause beyond how it benefits him, and he's destroying the mind of an individual who actually could've spoken for the oppressed in Spinner. As for Kurogiri being held in a hospital with people... well, I can understand why Kurogiri would be in a rehabilitation facility alongside others being rehabilitated and assessed by doctors. But as for why they could've move him prior to the attack, I'm not too sure... I guess the villains would know that the heroes were aware of their plan, but I still can't think of a real reason myself. EDIT: Read other comments. Apparently, the hospital is partially evacuated, but some were in such bad condition that they could not be moved. People were also evacuated from Jaku Hospital prior to Shigaraki's awakening, which kinda... destroyed it. Central Hospital is one of the few fully functioning hospitals available, to continue research on him.
I’ve seen people saying “oh but they need to have Kurogiri in the hospital so they can take care of him” but the dude is just in a straight jacket with no medical care in sight
I'm not black, but I feel like this is the point. The heroes in the series have an idealistic view of society. Nothing is wrong, and even the things that are wrong are being fixed and citizens shouldn't do anything. They imagine they live in a utopia guided by themselves. The villains are the opposite. Everything is wrong, heroes are enabling it, it has to come crashing down to build a utopia guided by themselves no matter the damage it would cause in the moment. Neither of them are correct, and if either one of them got what they wanted, awful things would happen and society would suffer. Both of them are in the wrong. If everyone truly understood each other then they could work together to truly change society for the better, but nobody is willing to since they both see each other as delusional extremists.
It's not merely the idea that "going against your abuser" is gonna set society back, it's the fact that they're not actually fighting for the cause they think they are. It's like if Martin Luther King used his advocacy for black Americans to spur them into a rebellion so that he could be President or something. It's taking a good cause and making it into something disingenuous. The riot would set them back 30 years because "Heteromorphs fought on the side of AFO, the big bad evil guy trying to destroy us all." Is the cause worthy? Yes. Do they deserve to fight back? Yes. But they are currently fighting the people that are trying to keep everyone else safe, *including* them. They are fighting people who currently do not know their issue exists, but would probably be willing to learn and enact the changes where they can. The guy speaking on behalf of Spinner even says that discrimination has gone down in cities (obviously hasn't disappeared, but gone down) which means that SOME progress has been made. This riot would demonize heteromorphs in the eyes of the public and probably increase discrimination in the cities again. That's what Shoji means when he says they'll be setting society back 30 years. Side note: I'm pretty sure Kurogiri was in the hospital because it was the only place with equipment they could use to do research on him or something like that. I think his location was meant to be a secret though so they probably weren't expecting the hospital to be attacked originally, and my the time they found out the riot was heading there it was probably too late to try and move him.
We need to take a step back and remember this is a war and that most of Japan is overrun with criminals from 6 of 7 jails. The hospital is one of the last places left to defend and even then they are so stretched thin. Kurogiri is the key to this war, you can't just throw him in some dark abandoned hole. Has nothing to do with moral high ground.
Am i the only one who, kinda didn't care for this episode? I dunno, it felt like a lot of the supporting cast didn't matter to me as much? I get the point, but i wanna see the other battles tbh
I think the episode was expertly done, however I also think we didnt have enough building up to it. We hae had little reason to care for these side characters. If someone chooses to care for these characters then this episode probably means a good deal. I really liked this episode, and ive been following this anime since episode 1 came out, but thats probably a different experience
It's definitely a different episode, but its really important that it happened because it gives us context on not just spinner's side of the war but also more on the whole heteromorph situation, the side characters are side characters for a reason, but its still nice to get to see more of them even if its in the middle of the more "chaotic" battles from the war (next episode onwards is just straight crazy stuff back to back, i dont believe there's any more "side character" focused stuff)
There's also just people who prefer the stuff outside of the more popular battles, for example someone I watch alot is MightyGazelle who had this episode in his top 3 of the season, even over last episode which the majority of the fanbase thought was the best of the season, people just like different stuff
@@taboodorito that's said, I felt it wasn't as interesting as afo, or the shiggy parts of the fights. We haven't even seen most of the other areas. I felt like either making more effort before to make the side characters have development would've been better, instead of kinda dragging the middle seasons, or not having it as important? I dunno. I was kinda bored on this episode 😂 probably just me then
I didn't expect Shoji and Koda to become so badass in the final fight, but give it to Horikoshi for efficiently giving their characters so much personality in just one episode
I believe it shoulda happened more often in the past, this felt like they tried to cram a lot in, to make up for lost time
@@TimothyGodi didn’t mind this episode though
@@watchforever1724 it felt like a very jarring change despite it being connected to the same problem
In the manga spinner is the narrator of MVA and there was a scene moved to season 6 and some cut especially with re-destro. Over all, the way it’s directed in the manga puts on more emphasis on spinner and makes his story feel more complete, even if literally he doesn’t get much more. To counter that I really like how this episode was handled
Yeah, I've also heard that Horikoshi wanted to do a whole Shoji arc but couldn't fit it in. Its much better set up in the manga, but even still this was a banger episode.
7:46 Spinner and Shigaraki canonically play League of Legends in the manga. 😂😂
Only on solo-
Lol
That explains everything. No wonder they ended up as villains. If my only interaction with people was the LoL community I'd also be calling for a purge.
One thing to look back and realize in retrospect is that for the USJ incident, Shiguraki brought what was described as the dregs of society, the ones who fell in between the cracks. If you recall, there were a loooot of heteromorphs there. In fact, the very first criminal of the show was a shark heteromorph.
Like, some people are saying this is an undercooked plotline, and maybe that's true from the perspective of Shoji's storyline, but there have been hints of this going on from the beginning. It's us as an audience who didn't look any further. Like, "of course the bad guys have a bunch of monster-looking guys! They're the bad guys!" But once you get into thinking about the _why_ , it all makes so much sense.
It's just never been in focus because we've mostly seen the world through the lenses of non-heteromorphs.
But, like with everything else in the hero society, a lot of the problems of disenfranchised people got swept under the rug, whether it's people with unsuitable quirks, dangerous quirks, etc. The heteromorphs are a continuation of that theme. They're another underline in the emphasis that the world of MHA was not okay.
It becomes more and more apparent that the society All-Might was holding together had serious flaws and imperfections, like cracks in a damn that was waiting to release a floodgate, but he kept it together through pure strength and will. Once he shattered, everything else did too.
especially mutations.
eri's quirk is unlike any other quirk in her family line and is more similar to overhaul's quirk than her own father or mother's. mutations in quirks happen, and as it turns out, shoji is a mutation.
his family don't have arms like his, meaning that to the rural people he was born among, he was probably seen as a cursed child. he's a mix of toga and spinner's backstories.
This episode is one of the reasons why MHA is my favourite shounen, the amount of characters it has and yet Horikoshi always gives every character a role and their chance to shine
Shoji's story and goals could easily be worthy of it's own series.
I remember thinking he was boring when I started watching the anime but he only got cooler as time went on. Heroes that are passionate and just rock solid steel willed types in the face of adversity always get my blood pumping.
Now that we know about Shoji's childhood, if we look back into S3 when the 1A students were doing dorm tour Shoji's room was just empty with a matress and desk. Todoroki thought Shoji was a simplist but Shoji said he does not have desire for materials.
That's probabaly how he grew up as a kid. Maybe not even a room.
I can't.😭I want to give Shoji a big hug
Also baby Koda is the cutest creatute in MHA
Never thought about this, you raise a grat point. At the time I thought his big body wouldn't let him have a lot of things in his room anyway. Maybe that's prejudice on my part. It can also be the case that he does in fact like being a minimalist not only because of his abusive childhood, but maybe because rural areas are usually some of the poorest, especially in Japan. Maybe the village didn't forcefully take things away from him, but instead he was just raised poor. In any case, I really liked your reinterpretation of the earlier seasons with this added context. I wonder if this can be seen in other episodes where he appears.
@@antonypastrikos7036 When Nejire first met the 1A students, she asked about Shoji's mask. Shoji replied 'In the past...' but she then moved on her interests to other students.
In the movie Heroes Rising, the villain Chimera grabbed Shoji and said 'You must've been bullied a lot for the way you look. Do u resent your parents?' But Shoji did not have the chance to answer.
I think the writter was planning on telling Shoji's story since long long time ago, everything were hints
What a powerful episode. I love when the series goes into this topic because of how believable it feels. Props to the show for making me care so much about Shoji in one episode too
Hiding your true appearance, or even true self to avoid scaring people is an unfortunate reality. Truth be told, I think both ways of rising up against oppression and prejudice have their merits. But I guess that’s the hardest choice for a lot of people.
Truth be told, I feel really bad for Spinner. While he may not have wanted to be the face of this cause, he definitely cared on some level. But that care he had was physically warped into whatever he is now by All for One.
On one hand, I would want to support a movement like this, because truth be told, a lot of people, whether intentionally or not, have hurt heteromorphs, and society has enabled that kind of behavior.
But on the other hand, I can’t say that attacking a hospital is really a great way to prove the point that heteromorphs deserve equal treatment. It’s sad to say, but if All for One loses, then many of these people would be thrown in prison and seen as nothing more than criminals to the public. Obviously, I don’t blame them for acting the way they are though. It’s not fair that they have to make the choice to be strong against unwarranted discrimination that was thrown against them.
Nothing about any of this is fair. But I guess that’s my main point. How should we choose to rise up against an oppressive world? Time is one of the main things that will tell.
All of the main villains are adults besides Toga. It isn't just spinner that is an adult. Shigaraki and dabi for example I think are in their 20s.
Still in their early 20s though and dabi lost 3yrs of his life so they haven't really gained that much of maturity yet.
HETEROMORPHS RISE UP!
While it hasn’t been at the forefront exactly, there have been a lot of instances of heteromorph prejudice that we’ve seen before this. Sometimes not even intentionally. Shoto Todoroki called the chief of police a “mutt,” and a member of Class 1-B saying that octopuses creeped her out to Shoji’s face. And then of course there’s the Creature Rejection Cult from last season. It’s a genuine problem that some people, heroes included, can gloss over at times.
That leads us to here. Two different perspectives. Should heteromorphs tear down the corrupt system that enabled this kind of prejudice? Or should they prove the prejudice people wrong by becoming a part of that system? Either way, it’s hard to say whether or not that grudge will ever truly disappear.
Biggest regret here though? Accepting those quirks from All for One. By manipulating the emotions of those who were wronged by society, he’s using their cause to further his own agenda. And now, the only person who could possibly understand what was going on, can barely speak properly.
Ultimately, this cause was part of a bigger picture that speaks to the corruption of hero society, and changing the world for the better...
There's a scene in Jump Force (the fighting game, I loved it despite what a lot of people said) where whenever Deku is team leader in a fight against Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z, Deku immediately calls him a villain to which Piccolo responds in surprise at the comment. I always thought it was unintentionally hilarious in a fucked up way.
Shoji became one of my favorites after this episode! Was so excited to see your reaction
How did Shoji and Koda suddenly become my favorite characters
I went into this episode like “ok let’s see some side characters pop off” and by the end I was like IM SORRY I CALLED YOU SIDE CHARACTERS BOYS YOU WERE GREAT
I remember reading this chapter and on the edge of my seat with Koda, Shoji and Spinner getting so much content.
i'm so happy they have the desire to go back and read the manga afterwards. best decision i ever made.
I skipped out on the reactions for a while but I come back and see some crazy beards being grown. Awesome lumberjack vibes
IMO as a manga reader, there was some important Spinner content that got cut from the anime, but even if the anime did include those scenes, the whole Heteromorph subtheme in the grand scheme of the story would still ultimately feel half-baked.
I wish these themes had more focus and attention prior to this end game moment rather than tiny little nuggets spread sparsely throughout the prior seasons.
Caleb & Jacob's reaction to when they saw Shoji's neck scars nearly made me cry ;_;
Fricking love how sympathetic these guys can be, always can count on looking forward to their reactions in heartfelt moments.
I can't really explain it, but the sadness I felt when Spinner was shown all bulky and barely able to talk, man, a big hole opened in my stomach. He's not my favorite character from the series or the villain cast, but he kinda felt like the most relatable, so I was always cheering for him in the back of my mind. Even if he didn't really want to be the spokesperson for the heteromorphs' cause, he would finally get his time to shine and not only be part of something good, but lead it, remembering how he always felt kind of aimless in life and full of frustration but lacked convictions to do something about it or follow a cause...
But now he's lost his agency and to me it just feels like he's died and we're just watching a corpse with his face moving along to All For One's tune, a real tragedy, to see someone I still had hope for just loosing all chance
Shigaraki probably mains Yasuo
Naw, it's definitely Jinx
@@slobertooth1358lol
As long as I lived, I'll NEVER forgive BONES for axing and ruining Spinner's character arc and development back in S5, he's literally my favorite character in League of Villains
At this point, when Shigaraki said Spinner is waiting for him to show him the "horizon", it wouldn't make sense to anime-only, because BONES cut out the reason why they share such a strong bond after My Villain Academia, and they also cut out the part Spinner saw the first horizon Shigaraki created at the end of that arc
As far as Spinner in the manga is concerned, you're not missing too much compared to the anime. All of his scenes and the major beats are the same, with the sole exception being the removal of most of his narration from MVA. Even this is mostly just there to act as a POV for the arc and deliver exposition. Any insights into his character from the narration can be inferred from the anime as well, albeit not quite as strongly.
I’m so here for Shigaraki and Spinner being gamer bros
The manga does have a bit more of this plot-line regarding the heteromorphs, but It’s biggest problem as a complete story is that it is a bit undercooked considering the fact that thematically I do think it is as important as the Todoroki plot-line
I don't think it's undercooked at all. We as an audience have just been too blind to see that Horikoshi has been cooking this the whole time. We just automatically accepted that there was a Shark bad guy or a slime bad guy, or a bunch of monstrous looking people helping Shiguraki during the USJ incident, even when we were told he brought in the most desperate dregs of society. We just accepted that the bad guys had monster people, because the bad guys always had monster people.
In retrospect, it's always been there as part of this world. We just didn't realize it.
We haven't had it in focus because the story mainly follows non-heteromorphs from the city.
it's yet another problem that All Might couldn't solve with his fists that has boiled over like with all the other cracks in the society he held together.
@@DWargs Thematically I totally agree with you. The reazon I think it´s a bit undercooked is because the perspective of heteromorphs was just properly introduced. Sure, since MVA and since then we have gotten things with a lot of implications... but without seeing it in much depth. We have seen the perspective of many people who felt thru the cracks and how that happened to them little by little, but we get that for heteromorphs in the final battle of the series when things are in the most extream context. We don´t even get to see any representation of how anyone could reach the point of being a part of this mob... we are just told All for One is behind this campain...
Amazing episode
we get hints about heteromorph prejudice as far back as the USJ arc.
tsu comments that because most people can't read her emotions on her face, she has to speak her mind and be blunt, and one of the villains comments that erase doesn't work on heteromorphs, which aizawa counters by saying heteromorphs tend towards petty hand-to-hand brawling.
I was so surprised that you guys empathized with Shoji-kun, Koda-kun and Spinner. Most of my friends living in the US are telling me that I should never think of moving there because of the discrimination against Asians.
However, Shoji-kun was really cool. The voice actor, Masakazu Nishimura talked about this episode in All might Nippon, and it was very interesting. The subbed version will be made soon. It would be interesting to you too, if you have any chance.
FYI, Mineta-kun never discriminate against anyone, you can see in the sports festival😊
As someone also living in the U.S. it’s a mixed bag. There is unfortunately plenty of racism Asians of different backgrounds experience here, but certainly not everyone is like that. It’s probably pretty similar to how bigotry is described in the show, exists everywhere, but is more extreme in rural communities where people aren’t as diverse. It’s a general attitude that often is reflected by society, but there are plenty of people like class 1-A who think it’s horrible and fight against it. I used to live in a smaller city in a conservative area, and we had a transfer student from East Asia one year. She was wonderful and was a great friend to me and other people I knew, but she also experienced mean comments and jokes from some students. It really depends on a lot of things. The average American will say they believe discrimination is bad if they are asked, but unfortunately not everyone is always aware of when they are partaking in discriminatory behavior and need to be called out to understand they are being hurtful
Interesting discussion on Spinner at the end there, really feel the manga does a better job showing just how much of a pivotal character he is. I feel his story is a complete and satisfying arc in the manga.
Some real meat in this episode. Love to see it.
This episode is great it watch
しょーじくんがヴィラン堕ちしなかったの奇跡すぎる
Seeing the history of heteromorph abuse makes me more sympathetic to the villain side and less on board with society or the heroes. It seems kind of hard to support the heroes when there has been this injustice about heteromorphs and we're yet to see anything done about it
this episode is so inspired in x-men
As a black guy I don’t really like the idea of not sticking up for yourself. The mere idea of you going against your abuser “setting society back 30 years is dumb” I feel like a lot of change in society has been made through fighting back. yes peaceful protest and stuff are needed too but I always hate the idea of always having to turn the other cheek. They do the hospital thing to give the heroes the moral high ground but why the fuck is kurogiri in a hospital with people?!?!
It's a good point, and that's why I don't really think that it's as clear as painting those fighting back as entirely wrong. They're even being told to "martyr themselves," when we know that's ultimately what's going to happen to a lot of these people. At the same time, current society is clearly flawed, and change needs to occur (even Deku knows this). The current system *is* corrupt, regardless of whatever Shoji may see as the "right" way to respond. And yet, their cause is only being pushed for the benefit of All For One.
As Shoji says, "don't let them take advantage of your scars"... well, that's exactly what All For One is doing. He doesn't care about their cause beyond how it benefits him, and he's destroying the mind of an individual who actually could've spoken for the oppressed in Spinner.
As for Kurogiri being held in a hospital with people... well, I can understand why Kurogiri would be in a rehabilitation facility alongside others being rehabilitated and assessed by doctors. But as for why they could've move him prior to the attack, I'm not too sure... I guess the villains would know that the heroes were aware of their plan, but I still can't think of a real reason myself.
EDIT: Read other comments. Apparently, the hospital is partially evacuated, but some were in such bad condition that they could not be moved. People were also evacuated from Jaku Hospital prior to Shigaraki's awakening, which kinda... destroyed it.
Central Hospital is one of the few fully functioning hospitals available, to continue research on him.
I’ve seen people saying “oh but they need to have Kurogiri in the hospital so they can take care of him” but the dude is just in a straight jacket with no medical care in sight
I'm not black, but I feel like this is the point. The heroes in the series have an idealistic view of society. Nothing is wrong, and even the things that are wrong are being fixed and citizens shouldn't do anything. They imagine they live in a utopia guided by themselves. The villains are the opposite. Everything is wrong, heroes are enabling it, it has to come crashing down to build a utopia guided by themselves no matter the damage it would cause in the moment.
Neither of them are correct, and if either one of them got what they wanted, awful things would happen and society would suffer. Both of them are in the wrong. If everyone truly understood each other then they could work together to truly change society for the better, but nobody is willing to since they both see each other as delusional extremists.
It's not merely the idea that "going against your abuser" is gonna set society back, it's the fact that they're not actually fighting for the cause they think they are. It's like if Martin Luther King used his advocacy for black Americans to spur them into a rebellion so that he could be President or something. It's taking a good cause and making it into something disingenuous. The riot would set them back 30 years because "Heteromorphs fought on the side of AFO, the big bad evil guy trying to destroy us all."
Is the cause worthy? Yes. Do they deserve to fight back? Yes. But they are currently fighting the people that are trying to keep everyone else safe, *including* them. They are fighting people who currently do not know their issue exists, but would probably be willing to learn and enact the changes where they can. The guy speaking on behalf of Spinner even says that discrimination has gone down in cities (obviously hasn't disappeared, but gone down) which means that SOME progress has been made. This riot would demonize heteromorphs in the eyes of the public and probably increase discrimination in the cities again. That's what Shoji means when he says they'll be setting society back 30 years.
Side note: I'm pretty sure Kurogiri was in the hospital because it was the only place with equipment they could use to do research on him or something like that. I think his location was meant to be a secret though so they probably weren't expecting the hospital to be attacked originally, and my the time they found out the riot was heading there it was probably too late to try and move him.
We need to take a step back and remember this is a war and that most of Japan is overrun with criminals from 6 of 7 jails. The hospital is one of the last places left to defend and even then they are so stretched thin. Kurogiri is the key to this war, you can't just throw him in some dark abandoned hole. Has nothing to do with moral high ground.
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Am i the only one who, kinda didn't care for this episode? I dunno, it felt like a lot of the supporting cast didn't matter to me as much? I get the point, but i wanna see the other battles tbh
I think the episode was expertly done, however I also think we didnt have enough building up to it. We hae had little reason to care for these side characters. If someone chooses to care for these characters then this episode probably means a good deal.
I really liked this episode, and ive been following this anime since episode 1 came out, but thats probably a different experience
It's definitely a different episode, but its really important that it happened because it gives us context on not just spinner's side of the war but also more on the whole heteromorph situation, the side characters are side characters for a reason, but its still nice to get to see more of them even if its in the middle of the more "chaotic" battles from the war (next episode onwards is just straight crazy stuff back to back, i dont believe there's any more "side character" focused stuff)
There's also just people who prefer the stuff outside of the more popular battles, for example someone I watch alot is MightyGazelle who had this episode in his top 3 of the season, even over last episode which the majority of the fanbase thought was the best of the season, people just like different stuff
@@taboodorito that's said, I felt it wasn't as interesting as afo, or the shiggy parts of the fights. We haven't even seen most of the other areas. I felt like either making more effort before to make the side characters have development would've been better, instead of kinda dragging the middle seasons, or not having it as important? I dunno. I was kinda bored on this episode 😂 probably just me then
That's understandable. I personally was invested in the episode though.
they finally got to this trash
What ?