The Future of Two Wheel Riding Is In Recline!
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- Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
- Somewhere between a bicycle and a motorcycle the Electrom 1 offers a totally new electric vehicle experience that, equipped with a laid back riding position, is possibly the perfect way to whizz around a city. Ricky Roy went to Vancouver to take a ride and see if this really is the answer to future urban mobility. However, with such a new proposition for a company in its infancy this does not come cheap (drum roll please!) meaning that this motorbike contraption comes in at around $12,500!! As volumes increase and economy of scales allow, we are hopeful to see this number plummet to the single figures!
00:00 Intro
00:40 How does it work?
01:20 Design
02:06 Riders position
04:19 Weight distribution
05:58 Starting and stopping
06:32 Suspension
07:09 Speed
08:26 Controls
09:21 Rider perspective
10:10 Maintenance
10:58 How much?
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10:21 "This makes a ton of sense for most city centres" I used to ride a recumbent and actually it was much better in the country than in the city. In the city a conventional bike is better because you can see better (head higher than cars), you can hop up kerbs if need be, and you are a more manouverable. Stopping at junctions on a 'bent is generally harder/less comfortable than on a normal bike. In the country where you have many fewer junctions, and there is less traffic craziness and more wind, the lower drag comes into its own and the disadvantages become unimportant.
Has to be a really upright bike like the Dutch ride. And the parking issue for long bikes in the city. Unless the city has cargo bike parking spaces, which really only some European cities have but they ride upright bikes.
hi xxwookey, I fully agree with your assessment of conventional recumbents. However, I have to point out that the Electrom is not a conventional recumbent. The electric assist is a game changer when it comes to riding a recumbent in stop-and-go city traffic, and the Electrom cockpit places the rider at eye level with other motorists so they can see and be seen.
but yes, the Electrom is also great in the country.
Exactly. This is going to be as popular as all the other non electric recumbent bikes.
@@electrom_LEV Fair enough. And in a city with decent bike infrastructure most of the 'disadvantages' don't really matter. It's places where you have to cycle with the traffic and hop kerbs where a recumbent is less than ideal.
I do like that rain-cover for the legs as that removes another disadvantage of 'bents: a very wet groin when it rains :-) And of course the electric counters the fact that they tend to be heavier bikes so it does look fun to ride. I hope you do well with it.
No it doesn't. It makes sense for long distances. Recumbents are awful in a city. If you got more than 30km commute a recumbent is great.
I love how the kickstand balances the bike . That’s awesome for when you just want to take a break and have lunch . Awesome.
Why don't you buy a picnic table?
@@JamesSmith-qs4hx the bike has a more comfortable seat 😛
Well done Fully Charged for showing something a bit left field. I see a few people have mentioned velomobiles in the comments. I have 2 velomobiles, 1 with e-assist and 1 without. They look a lot more cool than the Electrom 1. The longest ride I have done since fitting 250W e-assist to my Strada velomobile last year is 80 miles and I still had half of the removable 36V 19.2Ah battery left when I got home.... so range is comparable with my Corsa-e but I have the option to double my range by carrying an extra battery if I want. Velomobiles are fast and efficient on the flat and downhill (60mph is not impossible if you are brave enough and conditions allow it) but slower than a normal bike uphill due to the extra weight (25Kg or more for non-assisted - my e-assisted Strada is about 40Kg but was over 30Kg without the motor). Adding e-assist makes it faster than a normal bike everywhere and much more comfortable and fun. It has good luggage space but I have a tow bar and trailer for when I need to carry a bit more. It is a true car alternative for many journeys. Velomobiles are very aerodynamic so don't require much power to go far or fast. My non-assisted velomobile has a Cd of 0.08.... considerably better than the 0.219 of the new Tesla model 3.
I would suggest searching UA-cam for 'Velomobiles Efficiency' and watching the video by Velomobile World to see why velomobiles make sense, either with or without e-assist.
So people are rediscovering recumbents and velomobiles are they?
It’s a small but growing segment. I have two recumbent trikes, but I have been looking at getting a two wheel for ease of traveling with it
This is a Sinclair C5. No progress after 50 years.
@@lukeh3020just shows how far ahead of its time the C5 was!
@@jcev39 Agreed. Hope they catch on at last. I’d love to have one but wouldn’t want to be the only person in my city with one
@@lukeh3020
😂😂😂😂
Someone has to be the first.
Why not you?
Stop procrastinating and just get on with it!
all I can see is the Sinclair C5 in the design of this bike, apart from height, length, and stability only having 2 wheels compaired with 3, but the plus side is the battery range in the passed 40 years.
my thoughts exactly. I came looking for your comment.
Its the exact same idea, only the engineering is 100x better, as well as the tech available. And the time period too. In the 80s people were more than happy to commute in cars with cheap fuel.
Looking really nice compared to early versions..
Chains, should be set up with maintenance free belts for that price range. I also always thought it should have a full rain cover option.
Cheers
Yup. Full rain cover with solar on top.
@@hudefuk nah, solar adds too much weight.
A chain is low maintenance, cheaper and more repairable with that much enclosure . Most of chain maintenance is due to dirt exposure.
@@ruslbicycle6006
I think a properly set up belt is no maintenance. You are right about cost, most manufacturers go to or stay with chains to save cost. Repairable chains are, but a belt on a bike I think if you rode it 10 miles a day, every day for the rest of your life, I doubt it would wearout.
Cheers
I @@ruslbicycle6006 From my limited knowledge belts are lower-maintenance but a bit less efficient than chains.
Brilliant design, & it was fantastic seeing VanCity in the background Love all those trees, + the water by False Creek. Such a wonderful place to go for a bike ride
Very impressive. But I think it's great that you own it and don't hide it. That's why you're one of the best! Oh my God, It's amazing what you can achieve. Love everything you did with it. Glad you're back, love the videos Looks really nice compared to the original versions
I'm just loving e v e r y t h i n g
in this video.............. The electrom vehicle, design, features, look, concept and the professional coolio presentation..
Thinking of geting one!
Getting ever closer to what I want. I wonder how this would be registered in the EU and UK?
I like that they support right2repair, indicates that they might be a decent company.
that's a point in their favor but shipping costs for parts tend to be costly, especially for any from across the pond....
@@nc3826 true for any vehicle
If its under 25kph its a regular electric bike, since it can go over its a pedal electric.
s @@nc3826 a very valid concern, this is part of the reason the Elecrom uses mostly off-the-shelf part that are available locally in most areas.
@@nc3826 Well they said many parts are 'shop bought'.
Having had a face full of steering wheel before, this looks like it needs a bit more padding at the top of that windshield area.
Dime store looking version of Kaneda's bike. You're gonna have to have flags on that bike so people actually see you.
Was thinking this is defo' a Kaneda bike vibe 😅
My battery would be flat in 5 mins with the green glowing leds I would be trying to power to look woooooooosh
My only question is can I slide it sideways
@@Mireaze
Well, why not take a test drive/ride and find out for yourself instead of posing daft questions?
Use some gumption lad!!!
Would appreciate a fat tire version - awesome concept.🎉🎉
I see this as more of a novel way to travel to remote places in the countryside (20-150km). There will be people that do this a lot and for those, thats an awesome EV! Hope it'll sell ;)
Neat. Though as a tricycle I think it would be a lot easier and more fun to use. Yes - mass hit, range reduction yada yada.
Not that much of a hit… I reckon my velo is lighter than that… probably more efficient too
It was done years ago in the Sinclair C5, and yes, I think 3 wheels was better. The main advantage of this bike is the extra luggage space.
@@martineyles smaller - but more square - than a velo, which is completely enclosed (if I put the roof on)
I'd say it's a "both, and" thing. A trike would be a great idea. The bike is a great idea. Doing both would be good. The low center of gravity means it would be pretty stable with two wheels in the back, the axle near the seat. I've built a chopper trike with a similar seat height as this and you could keep decent speed in turns. It was about 36 inches, a bit under a meter wide. As a bike rider, it was pretty uneventful when I pushed it to tip onto one rear wheel because it was predictable and easily controlled. This platform has a slightly lower seat than mine, I think, so even better.
Even cooler would be a tilting trike but that's tricky on a lot of fronts.
@@Kimoto504 There is the Carver machine which is already a tilting e-trike. (no pedals).
Nice video and walk through
A bit like the Sinclair C5 from 40 years ago, except better in every aspect, but only 2 wheels not 3.
12k??
I could make one for about a quarter of the price.
2k for a new donor tadpole.
600 for the motorised crank and 400 for an 11 speed hub and wheel.
Not better in every aspect. I would sooner have 3 wheels than 2.
@@chriswatt2702looking forward to seeing your ptototype😅
Fabrizio, good to see you have got this project to the production model. That is seems so obvious to many is a very good sign. I'm certain that other cities in North America will quickly adopt infrastructure that will make this a viable product for many more people.
This is awesome, I've always fancied a recumbent bike and this is a brilliant take on the idea. In my humble opinion of course! :-)
I mean, srsly, this is an amazing vehicle! But I would love it to cover you from (light/moderate) rain. (At least optional.) I hope we see many more bikes like this in the future! Love the concept for sure! :D
It already does. Unless you are stationary there is only rain on your head
Thanks Ricky!! Vancouver is definitely an amazing city although I prefer Victoria just across the way via the ferry but what an amazing bike or is it e-bike.
What would the fairing do to the rider in a direct front end collision? Would it flip up out of the way before the rider were thrown forwards?
I disconnected the brake sensor from rear brake so I could engage rear brake stabilising and not interrupt motor power on my ebike, perfect for small speed adjustments...both brakes will always get pulled anyway when more stopping power is required
I keep looking at this and two issues come to me that could be addressed. Long wide V handlebars like my Burley Koosah would reduce cost, make steering very easy, and reduce fatigue. Some safety modification to the fairing in case of a crash.
I'm suspecting Ricky has never been on a recumbent before? 8:05 Not sure why he wouldn't trust bicycle tyres in general? I've had much scarier moped tyres than bike tyres, but obviously there is a big quality range in all tyre sizes and it is worth having some better tyres than 'cheapest' at least anywhere where it rains.
Insane how I was just watching a video about Velo mobiles and this appeared in my notifications.
Enjoyed the video Ricky!
Recumbent trikes and velomobiles (which are usually trikes underneath) have covered a lot of this territory already. No kickstand, aerodynamics addressed, and weather protection available with fairings or full body coverings. Feels like the designer here might be reinventing the wheel.
ErinJWade, I agree that Velomobiles are cool, but most are biased toward light weigh and aerodynamics as the main concerns. When you add electric power, the skinny tires and lightweight parts become less roadworthy. The Electrom has been designed from the ground up to be electric assist and as such is much more roadworthy a velomobile.
Additionally, velomobiles are not great in the city as they are hard to see in traffic, and they suffer whenever to road gets rough. A big part of our determination to keep the Electrom on two wheels was the need to maneuver around potholes and other obstructions. On a two-wheel vehicle, the rear wheel follows the front, so it is very easy to steer around obstacles. Three-wheel vehicle drivers have to get three different tires around the obstruction.
One of the problems with electric bikes is the 32km/h or 20mph speed limit for most jurisdictions. A good velomobile can overcome that using only human power...unless you have to start and stop all the time.
Love the concept though and the reporting was spot on
Love to see more and more brands supporting our "Right to repair"! 💪🙏
Kinda crazy, but it’s the vehicle I need. At times I’m doing 150k a day on my bike for for work, regular e-bikes won’t make it. That thing my off grid system could charge in a day. I expect it’s expensive, the Ferrari of e-bikes, but there’s huge capacity for sales of similar and more rugged versions. We need to make byway systems for light mid speed systems like these. And yes Vancouver is gorgeous, I just spent July there. It’s a great clean transport system. Their bus’s have been electric for 60 years.
Every recumbent designer needs to incorporate the center hub steering from the Honda elf.. Forks are so 20th century
At what point did the designer not notice how huge this is?
It could be made shorter, but the design would be more intricate, ei expensive.
The concept isn't new. But makes lots of sense to have the centre of gravity much lower.
Great video!
Can it not be shorter, yes I'm spoiled by my EUC having a wheelbase of 0 and being able to turn in place but I can't imagine this being as maneuverable as a bike. I would like it as a long-distance motorcycle if it had more power being so aero makes sence on the highway.
that is what it's designed for, yes.
Interesting. Quite cargo bike-like 😊 with very useful electric batteries 🔋 😀
Great review, Vancouver IS lovely, clearly 😉 I saw a lot of "wobble" fromthe front wheel which suggests that the steering is a bit "light" !??
The price is okay. Sure, cheaper would be nice but my neighbors just shelled out $8700 for a 30% discounted Yeti e-bike - oh wait, they both bought one. And that's on top of other high end road and MTBs. My friend Nils in Aachen, Germany went car-free for the whole family, investing instead in high end e-transport bikes to move their two kids and a nifty velomobile. Point is: If you can manage not to own a car you have a ton of money left for bike transportation. Just think of the insurance, licensing and repair bills you don't have. And for those instances where you need a car many Germans now use car sharing rentals. I did when I spent a year there but it turned out it was rarely needed.
4:53 i assuming that you are comparing this to like 1000cc motorcycle and i think that's kinda poor example. i think this is much more comparable to like 50cc motorcycle and those weight around 50-100kg maybe.
I genuinely like the look of the bike and would want to get one. But like most products i see here in the ebike market, i cant seem to find them in the US.
Can we see phone mount options for GPS? (maybe cooled wireless charger mount?)
So someone watched Akira one too many times and decided to make a bicycle? 🤣
Jokes aside its interesting but i dont really get it.
Why do i need a streamlined bike when most bike trips are for local running around, say less than 10 miles.
Not sure weight/lean angle matters that much when you are stationary, and thats only an issue when stationary seemed like a little odd comparison made to a motorcycle.
Oh and the idea that theyd ever get this down to a price thats "single figures" as you suggest in the vid description like $9 or less sounds ridiculous to me 🤣
WOW!!!! Akira here we come
What happens if you fall in the bike? How easy is it to get out of it when laying sideways on the floor?
Absolutely fantastic long haul bike.
This would be perfect for touring remote places like New Zealand where you often go 150km between settlements. Or across North America's plains with its demoralizing head winds.
Love it!
That looks like fun. One thing I didn't see on it was any security features, locks alarms, immobiliser etc.
How accessible is it for different body shapes? Is there seat and controls adjustment?
Great concept though, I need a recumbent bike for my disabilities, I ride an e-bike on a good day but energy would last longer in a recumbent position. Of course I'd need somewhere to store it and a shed load of cash I expect, haven't looked yet!
Cheers Ricky, nice report.👍
the Electrom has an an ignition key and if one wishes one can use the same security devices as a bike/motobike. locks, disk brake locks, alarms, etc.
@@electrom_LEV thanks, didn't notice it had an ignition key.👍
I would replace the windshield and trunk lid with Solar Panels to really make it more use full in the Urban Setting!!
Thank you
Add an arm lever to the kickstand so you could do a no-feet stop
That looks bloody great
Cool, though I wish electric motorcycles would think more outside the box like this.
Look up Peraves MonoRacer or the Carver electric trike (and theres an FC episode about the latter)
Buy a 7k Surron Ultra Bee 85kg light EV motorcycle or 6k 2025 KTM Duke 390 or 5k Triumph 400X Scrambler or 6k Suzuki SV 650 (nearly indestructible reliability) over the Electrom1.
@@GingerPiston these are also cool, especially the Carver with the tilt technology. Certainly leans closer to what I had in mind. I mean I think a design like Akira with the range of touring motorcycles.
@@THEREALZENFORCE these are mostly very traditional in design and not impressive. It's cool if you want a tiny bike that doesn't look like an ev or the future, but I want more
maybe not the future of ebikes but maybe the future of motorcycles because with motorcycles the aerodynamics matter more.
It would be easy to add a roof to protect from the rain in this sort of motorcycle. I'd like to see more of those too.
@@torashuPanda781I have a recumbent electric motorcycle that I built more than 30 years ago. Since I fitted a modern lithium battery holding about 13KWH it can do about 500 miles/800km on one charge, at 55mph/90km/h. Although in well over 100,000 miles/160,000km I have never made an insurance claim the insurance company (Aviva) has just withdrawn all cover for business use of the vehicle, and I cannot find another insurance company willing to insure it at all.
Nice bit of innovation
I see why Ricky was hesitant in saying how much it is. $12,500! My Tern FSD Cargo Bike only ran $4,400. Yikes!
A used Honda Rebel 500 is 3k
Wow, amazing, I wish to ride with one
Oh please ..... I'm old enough to remember when everyone was going to be riding around in Sinclair C5's 😂😂😂
Did you mention that it's a dual motor or an all wheel drive? 😊
Neat. So if you keep pedaling are you recharging the battery at all or is is just used to get more power and speed from the motor?
Yes.
Congrats to the inventor.
Do you get all the extra wind in your face from that front panel? Or does it fly above your head?
most of the wind goes over your head.
I'd recommend you do a piece on Gogoro in Taiwan and their eScooters and their battery subscription plans and battery swap service.
The C5 is back! Looks very interesting. I wouldn't want to be hitting 60kph in it though.
I'd take my Cake Makka every day before this. Faster, safer on a city street (head higher). And its so damn fun to ride.
The price isn't even that insane for the stage it is at. Way out of my price range still, but if it starts to compete with other recumbent e-bikes, this will definitely the winner!
This is the direction e-motorcycles need to go. Too cool.
You should have had a cameo with Ryan from Fortnine when comparing it to a motorcycle.
Looks like Sir Clive Sinclair had it right all those years ago with the C5
Looks like it's front-wheel-drive, which would explain the vague steering at low speeds.
I got to see the turning radius of this long bike .. especially in tight city 90 degree turns
what a beauty
Cool video
He didn’t properly explain the transmission, it is very clever.
There is a low direct drive, but as soon as you get a bit of speed you are pedalling a generator.
If I ever win the lottery, I'll get 5 of them!
I wouldn't ride that around central London, you need both decent slow speed control and fast getaways in city traffic and this appears to have neither!
It's an interesting design, but I think it would be better suited to touring or deliveries in less dense areas. I'd have no problem with taking one of those for a camping weekend somewhere.
In Central London either buy a 7k Surron Ultra Bee 85kg light Ev motorcycle or 6k 2025 KTM Duke 390 or Triumph 400X Scrambler or Suzuki SV 650 (nearly indestructible reliability).
Slow speed control is a matter of practice - and maybe a bit of refinement of the steering. Fairly clear from the video that he hadn't entirely worked out the boundaries of the bike.
Fast getways... that's probably practice too. I doubt an experienced rider would use the stand much - though I'd have to try to be sure.
By far the biggest problem in a city is the length, not necessarily so much when riding but when parking - anything longer than a standard upright (bike with trailer, tandem, cargo bike, my speedmachine...) creates challenges as it doesn't as easily fit in bike spaces and that thing is *long*. Actually there are cases when that length maybe a problem navigating gates and things too... one can't alway limbo - but again the same constraints apply to the list of bikes as above.
I have an old Burley long wheel base recumbant that seems way more stable than what you are showing. I could add a hub motor setup and a fairing pretty easily. The riding position on the Burley is great for me except when climbing big hills without electric assist.
I'm sure you became an expert rider in under 4 hours.... Thanks for such an objective comparison....
the Burley doesn't have the cargo capacity, and it's higher than this. So your comment about stability can't be correct.
It's all fun and games until a minor collision shoves you forward and that odd fairing cuts your head off😂
More people wanting the Akira bike
So how much does it cost?
Still a bike that does not keep out the weather or offer safety and low speeds look a bit dangerous. Great one you are cruising and longer journeys??
Love it and I don't think it is extremely expensive for what it is 👍 but certainly too much to appeal the greater public.
Unfortunately, with about 150 pounds / 70 kg it seems to be too heavy to be solely muscle powered uphill (with my non-electrified recumbents and velomobiles I get farther than that per day, up to about 300 km).
I have a driven a recumbent bicycle some years ago and it is my favourite type bicycle. But is not so good in tight city situations.
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i think the Sinclair C5 was 40 years too early....someone needs to bring that back from the dead, especially with battery /motor tech nowadays.
You say electron one I say, Sinclair C5. That man was ahead of his time.
The Sinclair C5 needs to be updated. The motor control was just an on-off switch, and if you switched on without first pedalling up to a jogging speed you had a very high risk of breaking the transmission. Electronic speed controllers that could limit maximum current to a safe level were just appearing on the market at the time when the C5 was introduced, but they were then too expensive to use in it.
I'm Mr Unmaterialistic, normally. But I'm lusting after one of these!
nice akira reference
Did I miss top speed? Curious if you could take take this down some faster roads as a daily driver.
I didn't see it either, but presumably it's around 32km/h because that's the max speed according to e-bike regulations in Vancouver. Last I looked, the laws were ambiguous and might allow an e-bike to continue to use the motor if you pedal and it goes over the speed. (It's phrased something like 32km/h without pedaling on the flat.) I've heard cops don't actually pull you over if you build your own bike and push the limit.
Very cool concept, however, electric unicycles are still way ahead in term of simplicity, price and weight, i have a Veteran Sherman-S euc that also have a 200km range with 3600wh battery, top speed up to 80 km/h, weights only 97lbs, it's so small that you can fit in any car trunk (i have a Smart Fortwo), it can fully charge in about two hours and cost about 4000$ US
Of course it doesnt have huge trunk or wind protection but its so fun to ride !
Looks like the Sinclair
I'm guessing that in Vancouver climate that is only a summer bike.
I think if I was on a trail and this was coming up on me… I would think a motorcycle was coming up.
Reminds me of the bike from Akira
Hello from sunny Scotland 😊
Love the bike , wonder if we can use this as a pedal cycle in uk
NO.
No as you do not need to pedal to travel along so it is not a pedal cycle but a motorcycle
you'd probably have to register it an anelectric motorbike at the moment. I have heard the rules are due to change, but not holding my breath.
So, there is still no winner of your giveaway?
This bike gave me Akira anime vibe
Interesting
Website of producer?
So basically a recumbent moped its got some nice tech to it but I think I'll stick to my regular bicycle and e-bike for now.
But it might make a nice alternate to buying a regular motorcycle or scooter.
Buy a 7k Surron Ultra Bee 85kg light EV motorcycle or 6k 2025 KTM Duke 390 or 5k Triumph 400X Scrambler or 6k Suzuki SV 650 (nearly indestructible reliability) over the Electrom1.
@@THEREALZENFORCE I think you're missing that this device's cost per mile is a fraction of a gas vehicle, it's not polluting the air with exhaust that's reducing human life spans and contributing to climate change, it's lighter and easier to move.
@@fizban119 EV motorcycles that cost 2 times less and go further and faster than this expensive EV bicycle vehicule.
Surron has these sub 8k EV motorcycles that easily beat this vehicule on price, range, speed from A to B. I have never seen a bicycle beat me on my motorcycle on my daily over 20 kilometers commute to work.
It ought to go well, it has 7x the battery capacity of my e-bike. I would be looking to approx 300 mile range with a similar battery size.
Actually RIcky made a slight error there, the battery is 2.8KWH, not 3.8KWH